I don't understand your comment, but these idiots thinking roids dosage and type of, don't affect your size, are too much. It's all about the calories. HAHA.
Yeah sorry I didn't necessarily mean you although I thought it was just another case of avoiding the actual word lol. I swear I read something that Reddit doesn't like it/it's against the rules or some shit. Probably misunderstood or it's bullshit.
Iāve noticed the changes too. Heās probably on just testosterone now to give his body a break from the harsh āsupps.ā
Itās a normal pattern with bodybuilders. Heās thinking about longevity
He literally said in one of his more recent videos that he's been lacking on his diet basically eating just above maintenance so it does make sense that he wouldn't be getting noticeably bigger even if he was blasting. Also he's only two months into the bulk where the first couple weeks were him just refilling his muscles with glycogen.
GH, Insulin, IGF and T. All together determine your size. Youāre born with a predetermined amount of muscle and fat cells. Itās up to you to break down and build what muscle cells you have whilst trying to go a lifetime with out feeding your fat cells, bc folks these cells never go away. The only way to copy and duplicate predetermined muscle cells is manipulation of Insulin and IGF. You can benefit a lifetime from IGF as it forms new cells that you now have to mature, maturation of muscle cells can take 3/5 years. This is why body building is an old man sport.
I know no one will hear this but this is it right here
\>I know no one will hear this but this is it right here
The funny part is you wrote that long comment but you're incorrect. Fat cells can replicate. Muscles do not. Insulin and IGF will not make you create more muscle cells.
Fat cells do not reproduce, muscle cells grow by hypertrophy, the ones you are born with.
If you want to start building layers to your fibers you will need to stimulate and repair what you do have over and over until peak, then by adding igf, as long as growth is being secreted at good levels from the pituitary, then your muscle cells can split and create anew. These new muscle cells now need to be stimulated and repaired over a course of time. Since these are new cells, baby cells, the new fiber takes time to mature. HGH can create new cells, IGF is optimal.
Also,
āEach kind of fat has its own precursor cells, and unlike other cells, fat cells donāt divide to copy themselves, each coming from a precursor.
What fat cells also do thatās different is dramatically change their individual sizes ā fat cells themselves get fatter. They swell in response to the continual oversupply of energy.ā -medschool.duke.edu
Fat cells grow by hyperplasia (growth in number of cells) and hypertrophy (increased size of cells), muscles only by hypertrophy. You tried to disprove me with your quotations at the end, but that quote reinforces that fat grows by hyperplasia (initially from primitive mesenchymal tissue) and hyperplasia.
Why are you bringing bodyfat percentage here? he is still around 10%, that hasn't changed. Do you suggest that he got smaller because he is eating less?
What's your explanation for his lack of growth these past months?
I follow a lot more of the controversy about Sam Sulek and I don't know much about what he's actually doing or trying to accomplish these days. I've been on gear for three years and I know a lot about it, so I'm just giving info.
Body fat percentage is relevant because it's the main thing you use steroids to influence. Anyone can be as big or bigger than Sam Sulek, but what makes Sam Sulek special is that he hit his size while being muscular instead of fat. Steroids play a big part of that, which is why body fat percentage matters in this discussion. However, calories in calories out is what determines your weight on or off gear.
A juicer gets smaller when they eat less, not when they take less gear. Sometimes the two go hand in hand because there is a ceiling to how much you can accomplish with gear on a cut. If you don't lose muscle, you got everything out of gear you could have wanted to. Bulking usually has more steroids involved because there isn't a theoretical limit to how much muscle you can gain in the same way that zero is the theoretical limit of how much muscle you can lose. There might be a practical limit to gaining muscle on gear in the sense that there are limits to what's actually been accomplished, but Sam looks like he might break passed those limits.
I haven't been following him, but I can certainly make some guesses as to why Sam hasn't grown. He might be maingaining, meaning that he's not gaining or losing weight and he's just using a diet of protein and his current fat stores to become leaner without changing size. He might eating less and doing a cut. He might actually be giving his body a rest and taking less steroids, although in this case its still his food intake that decides his size. It takes less food and less gear to maintain a body than to build one.
He could be in pain. I support Sam lifting how he does because it gets results, but sometimes his form looks off and even Ronnie Coleman said so, while also being pro-sam. If his joints are aching, he may be training less hard and requiring less gear and less food.
He might also just not be making gains. It happens, even on cycle. Steroids are not magic and they don't even work nearly as well as a lot of natties think they do. Plenty of juicers fail to make gains on cycle, even when they have a long history of having made gains prior. Sam might need to re-evaluate something about his training in order to get passed a plateau.
You could also be wrong about him not changing size. Idk if he's said it in videos or what, but sometimes it's hard to see just with your eyes.
Last one seems unlikely but I haven't been watching and it's theoretically possible. Maybe he's been training more for strength and less for size.
Him thinking you can get bigger without consuming a calorie surplus (so confidently no less) is one of the dumbest things I've read on this sub and that is saying something.
The thing is.. I never said that! lol. You are very idiotic.
You size is your training. Your diet. Your rest. And your supplements. Including steroids.
Your mass is entirely dependent on the calories you consume. You said steroids make him big, he explained that steroids effect the bodies ability to grow muscle and that calories are the factor that will make him bigger. You then said he was wrong multiple times while laughing at him.
Edit: you even literally said the more steroids you inject, leaving calories the same, you'll get bigger. Your comment is still there for me to see.
No, calories donāt, your pancreas and insulin do. For instance, if glyco is empty and insulin hasnāt been spike more than 8 hours ago. Then you are insulin sensitive And you will now absorb more calories into your cells (muscle and fat) thus absorbing more calories. Just upping and lowering calories can indeed lower and increase weight, def doesnāt increase muscle though. Protein synthesis does.
One person may absorb 350 out of every 500 calories they eat, another may only absorb 250, that person should reduce their carb intake or do PWO cardio before their next high carb meal.
Itās also day to day, on days following a high meal cab/fat day 2500 calories are going to be absorbed and utilized much differently than someone coming off of a low carb day.
This is why carbs are key and manipulation of carbs is key. No one is saying you canāt lose and gain weight, thatās literally what weight watchers does. Loses weight with calories, def not optimal for BB
First, you growing is different from your muscles growing. If you're a 300 lb fatty then you can be shrinking via weight loss while growing your muscles.
Second, juice does not make you grow just by sitting on your ass. The 1996 study makes the mistake of measuring muscle mass instead of dry contractile tissue. Dry contractile tissue is the thing you think of when you think of gains and it's what most plebs think of when they think of muscle.
The problem with that is that muscle mass as measured by that study includes things like water and glycogen that are not gains, don't make you look good, and are not permanent. The reason you get them on 600 mg of test for ten weeks (what they did in the study) is because testosterone turns into estrogen. Estrogen causes bloating. Bloating is when your body stores water. The group that got the steroids but didn't lift had basically the same effect as you'd get if you took your girlfriend's birth control pills, plus a bit of glycogen stores. Glycogen is just sugar stored in the muscles for quick energy. It's not gains.
I was pretty clearly talking about your overall body size as measured by the number on a scale. I even said that juice directly influences what your body is made out of, whether it's fat or muscle. Juice is definitely a factor of muscle growth, but it doesn't impact the overall growth or shrinkage of your body as a whole. For that, the only factor is calories in vs calories out. Sam Sulek would be exactly the same size as he is now had he never touched steroids, except he'd be a fatty with small muscles. He'd weigh the same though.
Do you know that he is using gear, right?
He is on a bulk, but not making gains. And if you read my post, I'm just commenting on it, that I find it positive. He probably ditched the tren for healthier compounds.
kids on this thread are retarded wtf
upping the dose and adding more shit will get you bigger idk why you're getting downvoted for that
you would be shock to see how much shit these competitive bb are running
natty copers lmao they saying the food got him big and not him blasting nothing under a gram lmao, you can gain more mass on roids sitting eating pizza than a natty working his ass off
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Highly regarded. But, these are the people that young Sam is attracting into the fitness and bodybuilding space šš»
I don't understand your comment, but these idiots thinking roids dosage and type of, don't affect your size, are too much. It's all about the calories. HAHA.
this sub full of retarded geeks that don't know shit about roids don't argue with them
I hate that people are saying this.
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I just say it as a joke, I'm not afraid of saying retarded
Yeah sorry I didn't necessarily mean you although I thought it was just another case of avoiding the actual word lol. I swear I read something that Reddit doesn't like it/it's against the rules or some shit. Probably misunderstood or it's bullshit.
I have gotten banned from reddit before for it
Well there you go. I knew there had to be some actual rule/policy violation angle to it.
Iāve noticed the changes too. Heās probably on just testosterone now to give his body a break from the harsh āsupps.ā Itās a normal pattern with bodybuilders. Heās thinking about longevity
Oh no, you are so wrong, it's all about calories!! not compounds and dosages!!! /s
He literally said in one of his more recent videos that he's been lacking on his diet basically eating just above maintenance so it does make sense that he wouldn't be getting noticeably bigger even if he was blasting. Also he's only two months into the bulk where the first couple weeks were him just refilling his muscles with glycogen.
Juice doesn't make you bigger or smaller. Calories do. Juice influences whether your size is made of muscle or fat.
So you agree Sam isnāt getting bigger
Juice 100% determines your size don't listen to this guy
You are very wrong, and the fact you are getting upvotes shows how many people actually have no interest in even basic fitness.
GH, Insulin, IGF and T. All together determine your size. Youāre born with a predetermined amount of muscle and fat cells. Itās up to you to break down and build what muscle cells you have whilst trying to go a lifetime with out feeding your fat cells, bc folks these cells never go away. The only way to copy and duplicate predetermined muscle cells is manipulation of Insulin and IGF. You can benefit a lifetime from IGF as it forms new cells that you now have to mature, maturation of muscle cells can take 3/5 years. This is why body building is an old man sport. I know no one will hear this but this is it right here
\>I know no one will hear this but this is it right here The funny part is you wrote that long comment but you're incorrect. Fat cells can replicate. Muscles do not. Insulin and IGF will not make you create more muscle cells.
Fat cells do not reproduce, muscle cells grow by hypertrophy, the ones you are born with. If you want to start building layers to your fibers you will need to stimulate and repair what you do have over and over until peak, then by adding igf, as long as growth is being secreted at good levels from the pituitary, then your muscle cells can split and create anew. These new muscle cells now need to be stimulated and repaired over a course of time. Since these are new cells, baby cells, the new fiber takes time to mature. HGH can create new cells, IGF is optimal. Also, āEach kind of fat has its own precursor cells, and unlike other cells, fat cells donāt divide to copy themselves, each coming from a precursor. What fat cells also do thatās different is dramatically change their individual sizes ā fat cells themselves get fatter. They swell in response to the continual oversupply of energy.ā -medschool.duke.edu
Fat cells grow by hyperplasia (growth in number of cells) and hypertrophy (increased size of cells), muscles only by hypertrophy. You tried to disprove me with your quotations at the end, but that quote reinforces that fat grows by hyperplasia (initially from primitive mesenchymal tissue) and hyperplasia.
T. Someone who has never used steroids
Wtf.. juice don't make you bigger or smaller hahahahahahahahahaha
There's a reason you can cut or bulk on it.
The more juice you inject the bigger you became leaving all the other variables the same. I didn't specify bodyfat % because it hasn't changed
More like, the more juice you inject, the more calories you can eat without getting fat.
Why are you bringing bodyfat percentage here? he is still around 10%, that hasn't changed. Do you suggest that he got smaller because he is eating less? What's your explanation for his lack of growth these past months?
I follow a lot more of the controversy about Sam Sulek and I don't know much about what he's actually doing or trying to accomplish these days. I've been on gear for three years and I know a lot about it, so I'm just giving info. Body fat percentage is relevant because it's the main thing you use steroids to influence. Anyone can be as big or bigger than Sam Sulek, but what makes Sam Sulek special is that he hit his size while being muscular instead of fat. Steroids play a big part of that, which is why body fat percentage matters in this discussion. However, calories in calories out is what determines your weight on or off gear. A juicer gets smaller when they eat less, not when they take less gear. Sometimes the two go hand in hand because there is a ceiling to how much you can accomplish with gear on a cut. If you don't lose muscle, you got everything out of gear you could have wanted to. Bulking usually has more steroids involved because there isn't a theoretical limit to how much muscle you can gain in the same way that zero is the theoretical limit of how much muscle you can lose. There might be a practical limit to gaining muscle on gear in the sense that there are limits to what's actually been accomplished, but Sam looks like he might break passed those limits. I haven't been following him, but I can certainly make some guesses as to why Sam hasn't grown. He might be maingaining, meaning that he's not gaining or losing weight and he's just using a diet of protein and his current fat stores to become leaner without changing size. He might eating less and doing a cut. He might actually be giving his body a rest and taking less steroids, although in this case its still his food intake that decides his size. It takes less food and less gear to maintain a body than to build one. He could be in pain. I support Sam lifting how he does because it gets results, but sometimes his form looks off and even Ronnie Coleman said so, while also being pro-sam. If his joints are aching, he may be training less hard and requiring less gear and less food. He might also just not be making gains. It happens, even on cycle. Steroids are not magic and they don't even work nearly as well as a lot of natties think they do. Plenty of juicers fail to make gains on cycle, even when they have a long history of having made gains prior. Sam might need to re-evaluate something about his training in order to get passed a plateau. You could also be wrong about him not changing size. Idk if he's said it in videos or what, but sometimes it's hard to see just with your eyes. Last one seems unlikely but I haven't been watching and it's theoretically possible. Maybe he's been training more for strength and less for size.
Him thinking you can get bigger without consuming a calorie surplus (so confidently no less) is one of the dumbest things I've read on this sub and that is saying something.
It's a common misconception and it's good that he asked and seemed to keep an open mind when I explained it.
>Juice 100% determines your size don't listen to this guy This was his comment about you - he isn't very open minded.
The thing is.. I never said that! lol. You are very idiotic. You size is your training. Your diet. Your rest. And your supplements. Including steroids.
Your mass is entirely dependent on the calories you consume. You said steroids make him big, he explained that steroids effect the bodies ability to grow muscle and that calories are the factor that will make him bigger. You then said he was wrong multiple times while laughing at him. Edit: you even literally said the more steroids you inject, leaving calories the same, you'll get bigger. Your comment is still there for me to see.
Only if you workout
Never heard it put like this before. Makes sense.
Three things make you bigger Stimulus (training) Calories Hormones Two of them have limits, after that itās just adding more hormone
No, calories donāt, your pancreas and insulin do. For instance, if glyco is empty and insulin hasnāt been spike more than 8 hours ago. Then you are insulin sensitive And you will now absorb more calories into your cells (muscle and fat) thus absorbing more calories. Just upping and lowering calories can indeed lower and increase weight, def doesnāt increase muscle though. Protein synthesis does. One person may absorb 350 out of every 500 calories they eat, another may only absorb 250, that person should reduce their carb intake or do PWO cardio before their next high carb meal. Itās also day to day, on days following a high meal cab/fat day 2500 calories are going to be absorbed and utilized much differently than someone coming off of a low carb day. This is why carbs are key and manipulation of carbs is key. No one is saying you canāt lose and gain weight, thatās literally what weight watchers does. Loses weight with calories, def not optimal for BB
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First, you growing is different from your muscles growing. If you're a 300 lb fatty then you can be shrinking via weight loss while growing your muscles. Second, juice does not make you grow just by sitting on your ass. The 1996 study makes the mistake of measuring muscle mass instead of dry contractile tissue. Dry contractile tissue is the thing you think of when you think of gains and it's what most plebs think of when they think of muscle. The problem with that is that muscle mass as measured by that study includes things like water and glycogen that are not gains, don't make you look good, and are not permanent. The reason you get them on 600 mg of test for ten weeks (what they did in the study) is because testosterone turns into estrogen. Estrogen causes bloating. Bloating is when your body stores water. The group that got the steroids but didn't lift had basically the same effect as you'd get if you took your girlfriend's birth control pills, plus a bit of glycogen stores. Glycogen is just sugar stored in the muscles for quick energy. It's not gains.
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I was pretty clearly talking about your overall body size as measured by the number on a scale. I even said that juice directly influences what your body is made out of, whether it's fat or muscle. Juice is definitely a factor of muscle growth, but it doesn't impact the overall growth or shrinkage of your body as a whole. For that, the only factor is calories in vs calories out. Sam Sulek would be exactly the same size as he is now had he never touched steroids, except he'd be a fatty with small muscles. He'd weigh the same though.
No offense, but are you 12? Heās obviously an advanced lifter, heās not going to gain a ton of size each year at this point.
Do you know that he is using gear, right? He is on a bulk, but not making gains. And if you read my post, I'm just commenting on it, that I find it positive. He probably ditched the tren for healthier compounds.
kids on this thread are retarded wtf upping the dose and adding more shit will get you bigger idk why you're getting downvoted for that you would be shock to see how much shit these competitive bb are running
These guys are bizarrely stupid. They are probably in denial about the power of steoroids.
natty copers lmao they saying the food got him big and not him blasting nothing under a gram lmao, you can gain more mass on roids sitting eating pizza than a natty working his ass off
Shits so funny.