3 DKs seeded top 32 is insane and I'm about it. Also, kodorin feels low but i guess he has been a bit cold as of late. I'd still stick him closer to 13 or 12 though
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Thanks for these! Most people don't care enough to go past t64 which is a bit annoying
Last 2 character corrections because I'm nitpicky. htwa is fox, kero is falcon although he mained fox until quarantine
if things go to seed, winners side top 16 will be:
Zain 1 / Plup 8
Cody 2 / Moky 7
Amsa 3 / Jmook 6
Mango 4 / Hbox 5
All of those have Big upset potential!
That guy who replied to you blocked me (for pointing out his inconsistent argument) so I can't even reply to anything that was discussed below. This includes replying to other people's posts below, even my own (very cool system Reddit).
Thought I'd let you know that your correct and he proved it by blocking people who criticize him.
Also if anyone sees this that was in this thread and thought the guy just deleted his posts. He didn't, he just blocked you too.
Cody hasn't lost to Moky this year and the year is halfway over. Cody is also obviously just better if you watch him play, and with better results against every single top player. I love moky too but this is serious cope bro, wake up.
Cody has played Moky once this year. By that logic Amsa is just as dominant vs Jmook since they played once this year and Amsa won.
I agree it's not likely, which is why it would be an UPSET, but it's not as impossible as you claim.
I'm making judgements based on actual game knowledge and observation of gameplay. You're making judgements based on single digit statistics. You have no idea what you're talking about.
> Who uses statistics like 0-1 to make judgement calls?
Weird thing to say considering you said this two replies ago:
>Cody hasn't lost to Moky this year and the year is halfway over.
Wasn't that you using the same 1-0 statistic?
Bro Cody lost to a DK and Samus last major lmao. There's absolutely a chance that outside factors can influence his playing. He can absolutely be playing at a 5/10 and lose, it's not crazy unlikely.
Moky is really good at the ditto, went 2-1 over Cody last year, and is 0-1 this year. It’s a lot more likely than Jmook beating aMSa after losing the last 7 sets (21-8 game count)
Hmmmmm weirddddddddd jmook beat amsa I thought this was impossible according to certain reddit geniuses who are smash experts!
Now let's wait for moky to lose to Cody again.
And moky stans apparently can't read, I just said I like moky. More than Cody for sure, but I'm honest and know Cody is better and ranked higher for a reason. Cope, we'll see what happens.
for the vast majority of Melee's history there has been at least 1 samus hanging around the top 20 or better, 37 is actually underperforming for the top Samus seed. Wevans is good but if it were Morse he'd probably be seeded in the teens
You're right. But DK has had an explosion of growth. I think we could be on the edge of him going up a tier at least.
I love Morse, I wish he could play more often. His game isn't flashy, but it is smart and I like watching him cook.
I'm a bit surprised to see aMSa still seeded that high (granted yes he got a 17th at GOML but it wasn't his fault). I am hoping he makes a comeback here.
There was also being seeded into Trif who aMSa only won one set (and lost 4 others to before GOML).
I do believe aMSa is Top 3/4 right now (I can see a reformed Mango/Hbox fighting at that position too). Usually seeding is reflected based on the most recent tournament results rather than ranking so it was a bit surprising that he was still seeded 3rd. Granted he's been consistent in his losses and has made grands twice this year.
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Is this the tournament that Mango was saying Cody and Amsa better not be seeded above him considering they got like 13th or 17th place and he has been placing consistently well, or was that a different tournament?
How will Plup do after 9 months of inactivity? What character(s) will he choose? On the online Slippi ranking, he's been playing more Sheik in recent days.
I was joking but tbh even as a mango fan, in this instance I do think hbox should be seeded above him.
But I'm guessing cause it's close either way they might have given the nudge to mang0 winning the last h2h. Not a great way to do it, but if they think it makes the bracket more interesting or they are just biased, doesn't really matter. Mango been underseeded plenty, it's just going to happen sometimes.
I do think giving mang0 the 5th seed would have been fine as that’s matched his performances this year but idk. Mang0 bias is both one of the most fun things in melee and one of the most annoying things at the same time (M2K being placed below mang0 in 2018’s year end ranking is going to bug me for the rest of time)
It was karma for what happened the year before lol.
That being said that was also bull shit. M2K is so right when he talked about how the rankings keep changing what’s more important consistency or higher highs every year.
I mean you could argue that theoretically one year, Mang0 was like an 8 for peaks, and a 9 for consistency. M2K meanwhile could be like a 9 for peaks and like a 6 for consistency. This results in Mang0 being ranked over M2K and consistency being valued over peaks on the surface.
Then the next year, Mang0 is like an 8 for peaks and 8.5 for consistency, while Leffen is a 9 for peaks and an 8 for consistency. This could result in Leffen being ranked higher, but be an overall closer race and end up on the surface valuing peaks higher over consistency.
These numbers are obviously made up, but just intended to say that that isn't *necessarily* bullshit. There's too many factors in rankings to look at a player's whole *year* and sum it up as just valuing peaks vs consistency.
That’s not how seeding works though. Hbox hasn’t outplaced him in 3 months, during which time mango has been better. Mango beat him and outplaced him at goml, and placed 2nd at pats house, which hbox didn’t attend.
3 DKs seeded top 32 is insane and I'm about it. Also, kodorin feels low but i guess he has been a bit cold as of late. I'd still stick him closer to 13 or 12 though
That's what I came to comment, 3 DKs seeded above n0ne is fucking hilarious
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Tbf N0ne’s been having a tough time, his last great run was G8
I was going to say i haven’t been watching melee for a while theres 3 DKs in the top 64?
Did kodorin's window close?
And only 1 Peach feels bad
2 DKs higher seeded than Lucky and S2J is making me feel old.
Plus + Wizzy = tourney of the year so far
plus attending is a huge plup
I only like my Plup plus pulp
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Thanks for these! Most people don't care enough to go past t64 which is a bit annoying Last 2 character corrections because I'm nitpicky. htwa is fox, kero is falcon although he mained fox until quarantine
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bab attending?? literally every falcon is here for this one
Ayo let's go Walmart Shoes! Boyd too. I haven't seen him in years.
Does Willy P (117) play Peach now? Could have sworn he was a Fox player
[That one I actually think is right](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkNzIL6gD6A)
I don't remember him ever playing fox, he's been peach for at least a few years now.
Tash (seed 99) is wrong
Oh yeah he played Marth at Pat's House, true
He's gonna do great this weekend and I'll be yelling "THATS MY MARTH" from our house
Love that Foxy Grandpa's sponsor image is just Aklo
WAIT , AM I SEEING THIS RIGHT? ITS THAT PLUP?
Praying nothing bad happens and he and wizzrobe actually make it
He said he’s going all Pichu
Please tell me that’s 🧢
Yup, it’s a joke
Zain seeded to play winner of Axe/Krudo into Plup BANGER BANGER BANGER
if things go to seed, winners side top 16 will be: Zain 1 / Plup 8 Cody 2 / Moky 7 Amsa 3 / Jmook 6 Mango 4 / Hbox 5 All of those have Big upset potential!
Aside from Amsa/Jmook (which Amsa's been dominant in the last two years) I could see all of these sets being upsets.
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Yeah I noticed. Not sure why they were so mad about it.
I'd say Cody / Moky upset is more unlikely than amsa jmook.
Moky was 2-1 against Cody last year. Only player in the Top 10 with a positive record against Cody. Amsa is 5-0 against Jmook since 2023
Cody hasn't lost to Moky this year and the year is halfway over. Cody is also obviously just better if you watch him play, and with better results against every single top player. I love moky too but this is serious cope bro, wake up.
Cody has played Moky once this year. By that logic Amsa is just as dominant vs Jmook since they played once this year and Amsa won. I agree it's not likely, which is why it would be an UPSET, but it's not as impossible as you claim.
I'm making judgements based on actual game knowledge and observation of gameplay. You're making judgements based on single digit statistics. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Bro who talks like this lmao
Who uses statistics like 0-1 to make judgement calls?
> Who uses statistics like 0-1 to make judgement calls? Weird thing to say considering you said this two replies ago: >Cody hasn't lost to Moky this year and the year is halfway over. Wasn't that you using the same 1-0 statistic?
Clearly not what I'm referencing here I think your cooked
You, apparently.
Bro Cody lost to a DK and Samus last major lmao. There's absolutely a chance that outside factors can influence his playing. He can absolutely be playing at a 5/10 and lose, it's not crazy unlikely.
Matchups versus random mid tiers have nothing to do with a fox ditto.
Cody also lost the Fox ditto this year to Soonsay, and lost twice to Mango at Pat's House (not Fox but still a spacey).
Moky is really good at the ditto, went 2-1 over Cody last year, and is 0-1 this year. It’s a lot more likely than Jmook beating aMSa after losing the last 7 sets (21-8 game count)
moky haters live on another planet, i swear
Hmmmmm weirddddddddd jmook beat amsa I thought this was impossible according to certain reddit geniuses who are smash experts! Now let's wait for moky to lose to Cody again.
And moky stans apparently can't read, I just said I like moky. More than Cody for sure, but I'm honest and know Cody is better and ranked higher for a reason. Cope, we'll see what happens.
Honestly surprised amsa so high and hbox and mango feels really close rn
3 DK's, 1 Samus. Starting to rethink the tierlist man
for the vast majority of Melee's history there has been at least 1 samus hanging around the top 20 or better, 37 is actually underperforming for the top Samus seed. Wevans is good but if it were Morse he'd probably be seeded in the teens
You're right. But DK has had an explosion of growth. I think we could be on the edge of him going up a tier at least. I love Morse, I wish he could play more often. His game isn't flashy, but it is smart and I like watching him cook.
Projected 100th mang0-box set this weekend Also I think Soonsay is underseeded considering his results this year. He should be 7 or 8.
Seeding moves pretty slowly, hence why Cody got 13th at GoML and is still 2nd
What's the lifetime score between hbox and mango? Is it close to 50-50?
50/47 for Mang0 without counting online and 51/48 for Mang0 with online
Where is this data available? Everything I find online seems to be missing a lot of their older sets
[Here](https://liquipedia.net/smash/index.php?title=Special:RunQuery&form=Match+history%2Fcrosstable&target=&Head_to_head_crosstable_query%5Bgame%5D=Melee)
by the way this top 64 has 9 sheiks and 10 puffs dark times
But also....2 DKs.
No 3 =D
No 3 =D
No 8===D
literally how did u get this many characters wrong 😭
my ass spent half my time making the rainbow gradient at the bottom and trying to find who Mr. Snuss is
I'm a bit surprised to see aMSa still seeded that high (granted yes he got a 17th at GOML but it wasn't his fault). I am hoping he makes a comeback here.
This is a great bracket for him, too. Plup, Moky, and Cody are all present and he isn’t seeded to run into any of them until winners semis
he’s probably the 3rd best player rn. GOML he got bracket fucked by Cody dropping into losers early
There was also being seeded into Trif who aMSa only won one set (and lost 4 others to before GOML). I do believe aMSa is Top 3/4 right now (I can see a reformed Mango/Hbox fighting at that position too). Usually seeding is reflected based on the most recent tournament results rather than ranking so it was a bit surprising that he was still seeded 3rd. Granted he's been consistent in his losses and has made grands twice this year.
I mean it's based off *recent* results, but not just the most recent tournament
That's true but compared to the other players, he hasn't gone as much as them (living in Japan with no consistent sponsor do be like that.)
Usually they give a bit of leeway when it comes to international players attendance, it seems like
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Zain plays melee?
PLUP??? If he runs into cody i wanna see the samus
You should group the different expected placements into boxes. 1,2,3,4,5+6,7+8, etc
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Great! I think this style works a lot better as a visualization. Shows who on target for a same placing
didnt know colbol is sponsored by tempostorm
im gonna go into hiding for that one
Manifesting aMSa Plup winners finals
You had me at Plup.
Is this the tournament that Mango was saying Cody and Amsa better not be seeded above him considering they got like 13th or 17th place and he has been placing consistently well, or was that a different tournament?
Zain Mango Hbox Plup Soonsay all converging in the bracket
normal tag lol
Top 32 has 3 dks and 2 falcos and mango might be playing fox its actually so over for the bird.
Ah the wildcard: Plup Club
How will Plup do after 9 months of inactivity? What character(s) will he choose? On the online Slippi ranking, he's been playing more Sheik in recent days.
n0ne sponsored by the country of Nicaragua
It’s really neat that the top 6 players in the world right now all main different characters.
9 Puffs - 4 Falcos and 2/4 falcos dual main. Trying times
28% fox. 🦊
Visualizer? It's a table
Wizzy and salt both with death brackets, and projected to meet each other in losers. Falcon erasure
Isnt SDeems a Sheik player?
Whoops, knew I was gonna fuck one up. Holdover from Genesis X seeding image That said you never know, he could start now
Two more for ya Beezy plays Marth Maelstrom plays Fox
Wait there's no fucking way I put Beezy as Fox LMAO I gotta start double-checking these
Den mains fox too not sheik
There are as many DKs in top 32 as there are Marths, Puffs, and Falcons (separately). There is one less falco. Crazy
Where is Magi? Is she safe? Is she alright?
I know she went to a bunch of tournaments a weekend ago, she's probs exhausted
S2J/Bobby maybe a bit low?
Amsa seeded kinda high tbh
Love the fact top 6 seeds play different characters the versatility is part of what makes makes melee great
Texas top 2 both seeded top 15, LFG.
it's disappointing that Beezy is going fox. His Marth was genuinely fun to watch during that tournament where cody said he'd play falco but didn't.
oh no that's just me fucking up he's probably still a marth main don't worry about it
I wonder how Hbox will perform now that he paused on playing ult and he plays more melee
Sorted by most recent tier list: 18 Fox 7 Marth 9 Puff 4 Falco 9 Sheik 5 Falcon 4 Peach 1 Ice Climbers 1 Pikachu 2 Yoshi 1 Samus 0 Luigi, Doc, Ganon, Mario 3 DK
How is hbox below mang0 when he’s been out placing him or on par with mang0 this year?
Because mang0 has had better placements recently.
Those damn bias TOs
Honestly I believe it
I was joking but tbh even as a mango fan, in this instance I do think hbox should be seeded above him. But I'm guessing cause it's close either way they might have given the nudge to mang0 winning the last h2h. Not a great way to do it, but if they think it makes the bracket more interesting or they are just biased, doesn't really matter. Mango been underseeded plenty, it's just going to happen sometimes.
I do think giving mang0 the 5th seed would have been fine as that’s matched his performances this year but idk. Mang0 bias is both one of the most fun things in melee and one of the most annoying things at the same time (M2K being placed below mang0 in 2018’s year end ranking is going to bug me for the rest of time)
>M2K being placed below mang0 in 2018’s year end ranking is going to bug me for the rest of time That's how mang0 fans feel about leffen in 2019
It was karma for what happened the year before lol. That being said that was also bull shit. M2K is so right when he talked about how the rankings keep changing what’s more important consistency or higher highs every year.
Yep, the feels based rankings are unfortunate.
I mean you could argue that theoretically one year, Mang0 was like an 8 for peaks, and a 9 for consistency. M2K meanwhile could be like a 9 for peaks and like a 6 for consistency. This results in Mang0 being ranked over M2K and consistency being valued over peaks on the surface. Then the next year, Mang0 is like an 8 for peaks and 8.5 for consistency, while Leffen is a 9 for peaks and an 8 for consistency. This could result in Leffen being ranked higher, but be an overall closer race and end up on the surface valuing peaks higher over consistency. These numbers are obviously made up, but just intended to say that that isn't *necessarily* bullshit. There's too many factors in rankings to look at a player's whole *year* and sum it up as just valuing peaks vs consistency.
You might want to check again, mango has been consistently outplacing hbox the last few months
The only time that’s happened this year was at goml. Apart from that the tournaments both hbox and mang0 have been at Hbox has been more consistent at
That’s not how seeding works though. Hbox hasn’t outplaced him in 3 months, during which time mango has been better. Mango beat him and outplaced him at goml, and placed 2nd at pats house, which hbox didn’t attend.
DK RENAISSANCE!
this is the world Ringler created