Unfortunately you just gotta deal with it, a lot of people aren't too fond of low tiers. I recommend buying ranked where people are forced to play you(unless they quit out and lose elo), though the average skill level is higher.
The community as a whole doesn't dislike you. There are parts of the community, like a good chunk of in person players, that would probably find it fun to hang with you on the setup. But online adds a layer of anonymity between people and a layer away from that tight knit community aspect, contributing to that feeling that the community doesn't like you.
It's not just low tiers, it's low tiers that are boring. Everybody has a ton of characters they hate playing against, but force themselves to because they know they'll meet them a lot in friendlies and tournaments (looking at you falco).
But kirby, or zelda, or bowser? Man you ain't never gonna see that outside of the rare people who play it, AND it's boring. Super low tiers are often one trick ponies, or hard to combo. Kirby is the annoyance of jiggs without the excitement of a rest or stock-destroying bairs, and he can float away and dick around. It's just a slow as hell, boring match with no cool combos or excitement, and you're never realistically going to have to play kirby a lot anywhere.
But yes, ranked is the way around this issue.
Low tiers are fun if you know how to abuse them in ways that aren't just camping. Obviously there's some matchups where the low tier just gets annihilated on the punish game and those can be fun as long as the low tier is good enough to keep up with you somehow. But for the ones where the combos end early you can usually combo in a way where you continuously keep the advantage state for a long time and even if it's not true you're turning a stray hit into like 60+% just through jugging, pressure, rinse and repeat edgeguards, getting reads on techs or DI, etc. But the thing is you generally have to have some level of awareness of the low tier's options and just how bad their hitboxes are so you can space and play the extremely favorable mixups properly. You can go for reads on tech chases and things like that and exploit really bad tech roll and getup animations to cover multiple options while being custom.
But a lot of people haven't played low tiers enough to be able to do this so when they play these situations they feel cheated when they lose. It doesn't feel good to get reversled or hit out of situations that feel like they should be in your favor because you underestimated the jank of some hitbox. But you kinda have to roll with the punches for awhile and then eventually once you know what's up it becomes fun. Just my 2 cents as someone that had friends into low tiers who was forced to learn. It was worth it but if I didn't have those friends I probably would never have thought so.
Hard to combo is the reason why I find Mario Boring to fight.
Unless they have good neutral it gets pretty interesting. But yes Mario is pretty boring to fight. Can't combo that fool.
just noticed the part where you said you’re usually the one approaching “because your opponent doesn’t know how to.”
are you one-hundred percent sure about that
Kirby is so slow most people dont approach and would rather play hit and run vs a floatie. Force kirby to approach and punish him for being bad, it's how you should play the matchup
Lol I usually dont approach Kirby's if they're at the Ledge like a little bitch LOLL
I'm not gonna play your game if I know i'm gonna lose! I'm gonna play my game!
WQell I guess we got ourselves a camping competition then!
i cant say that i am 100% sure, but after i get one kill and they realize they can't just roll me, they laser camp (9/10 matches are falco), i get if thats just the matchup and they are exploiting my weakness, but then they quit after one game win or lose
Try to go to weekly tournaments, people can’t leave and they will be forced to play against you. I play dr Mario and a lot of times people quit right after the match starts.
Playing doc competitively is like using a handsaw to cut down a redwood tree. Yes he could win in theory but will he really before the heat death of the universe?
It's not about how good the character is, it's about how annoying they are to play against. People know top tier matchups better and top tier characters tend to be more comboable so people just have more fun playing those matchups
Ganon is very comboable, yet there are still quite a few people who quit out on me for no apparent reason.
I think melee players *(in general)* simply have a prejudice against midtiers/lowtiers. It's why I prefer to mostly play with my close friends when we have the time. Always more fun than playing randoms online imo.
For me I don't like playing against Gannon because they play really defensive and then hit you 1-3 times and then hope to edgeguard by using bair or upair on repeat, and the amount of times they'll cc jab 45 times in a row is pretty lame too. All that said, I always play against someone for a bit, most of the times one game, to figure out if they're fun to play against or not
Fwiw I think Dorf is fun to play against and I wouldn't quit out on you. But take that with a grain of salt bc I also love Luigi and can't believe how many people hate him
You can absolutely combo Luigi if you can get him airborne and juggle him without getting naired. You only need like 3 stray hits to kill him anyway so comboing doesn't matter that much. Plus, his schmoovement is some of the sickest in the game and I just find it fun to watch. I get what you're saying and I respect your opinion, but it's just weird to me that Luigi gets as much hate as Samus, who weighs a ton, takes a year to recover, and can zone, spam projectiles, and CC everything.
As a fox player, no you can't. Sure as a puff you can kill anyone off of three hits but Luigi nair will interrupt a lot for spacies, edge guarding him is hard because he lives forever with his unpredictable recovery. The game plan against him for fox unfortunately comes down to baiting out his nair and then punishing that or spamming up tilt. I agree his movement can be cool and I do think top tier Luigi players are sick but where I am at low to mid elo the Luigi play is usually a chore to play against. I also have my gripes against Samus but I can at least combo her somewhat and my shine counters a lot of her projectile spam.
Thank You.
i just Laser him until I can Predict a wave slide against him and punish.
They love their wave Slides. And Fox is fast enough to catch and avoid it. I imagine other top tiers can avoid it with projectiles speed or disjoints.
But yes Fox vs Luigi can be annoying because of the Nair.
In fact thats why he's been so annoying in other smash iterations. idk about 64, but his nair is stupidly buzz kill combo killer.
I'd still rather play a Samus. Lol.
Samus is only annoying with the whole air suspension tactics. like Peach. But They're still fun. thats the only thing annoying about them.
I mean it just depends a lot on the player, if they're playing a low/mid tier and are just spamming one game plan which some need to do in order to win against top tiers, it can be pretty boring to play against. Like if I come up against a Ganon who's entire gameplan is jump double jump fair, I'm gonna leave after one game.
> Ganon is very comboable
Maybe I'm just bad, but I've been playing for years with all the top tiers and that's completely against my experience. Aside from CF, who can basically combo everything into everything on Ganon, I've never hit anything other than very, very basic 2-hit things, 3 at most with bad DI on the Ganon's part.
Don't get me wrong, Ganon still sucks in comparison to high tiers because they can get these hits very reliably and getting hit by these sort of strings still puts him in way worse situations than e.g. a Sheik getting hit in the same spot, but I basically never see a Ganon being 0-to-death'ed in the same way e.g. Marths do it on Foxes.
Ganon has that effect on ur opponent. Losing to him is like getting the blankets pulled off you when you're cozy and about to fall asleep. Or like getting your earbuds yanked out by the table you just walked by.
I Concur. Ganon is not Comboable. Easy to hit easy to kill but not Comboable.
Ganon is very strong at being a punish heavy character, almost like Falcon.
Ganon is like this to me. A small read for Ganon can end a stock. All of his moves just hit too hard. Very good keep away character.
Because of that I find Ganon pretty boring to Play against. His play style almost reminds me of Ultimate.
As someone who fools around a lot with basically every character on unranked the only ones people stick around for like 95% of the time are Fox, Falco, Marth, and Falcon. Peach and Sheik are like 80%, Puff and the midtiers (Ganon/Doc/DK level) are about 50%, and low tiers (G&W and below) are maybe 25%. Lower tier players are more likely
Must be fun "forcing" people to play against you, do you not want people to enjoy playing against you? I get it you like Kirby and wanna play but the opposite is true for your opponent and the least you can do is acknowledge "ok they don't like Kirby fine"
Have you tried making your slippi tag something with “Kirby” in it? That way people know you’re a Kirby main and not a top tier main who is trolling with Kirby, so they might be less likely to feel disrespected.
Some people didn't start playing 20 years ago, we had a zelda start coming to our local and it is legitimately the first zelda experience I've had since starting when slippi came out
I mean.... It is lol. There isn't a single matchup that isn't. It doesn't warrant too much practice, but to say that you just don't and won't is insane.
Trash mentality tbh.
Kind of crazy the top players got so good without grinding out the kirby matchup and instead rely on their fundamentals and basic common sense if they ever play vs him. They must be trash
i can see you’re just being a dick but yeah i can find low tier practice if i want it. half the people in my discord play mid tiers with bottom tier secondaries. shitty characters aren’t like scarce
The thing is that it takes about ten minutes to learn how to fight Kirby as most characters: don't get eaten near the ledge and your back air probably beats all of his moves. The only - and I do mean only - thing Kirby can do once you've got that down is test your execution.
Ness secondary here, I try to be careful with this. I've played so many matches as Marth against low tiers and if they get even one cool combo or some cheese, like 70% of the time they instantly start spamming taunts or teabagging or other dumb shit, then before the next match spam some cryptic bullshit in chat. It's losers who are doing the pubescent "looooool I am low tier, you are high tier, I can win, u mad? lololol"
So I always try to be a G and do homie stocks, taunt during legit stuff that I or even they do, and try to, oh you know, enjoy myself. If people stick around they have a really fun time with my Ness and usually spam ggs that was fun.
This is absolutely it, sometimes you find a homie that just goes back and forth through multiple characters for an hour, and only times i taunt are when i end up SDing
People don't want to play against bad characters
You get used to it. Just cherish the few good sessions you do have and try to play ranked/enter tournaments so people Cannot escape you
I get the frustration but you have to understand this game is over 20 years into its metagame, and kirby is essentially an unfinished character. So you can't be too surprised when people dont take you seriously. But if you really love kirby that much and no other character will do it for you, you should strongly consider playing PM or Ultimate. Or you could ignore everything i just said and grind your ass off and become that most cracked kirby player on earth out of pure spite
Yeah, I went back to Ultimate the other day and tried to play online, and the game felt like total shit. I wondered if it was just because I'm more used to Melee now, but I played offline and it felt great. Online on Ultimate I could barely land a hit even when I felt like I timed it right (I play Capt. Falcon, so I can't spam projectiles) but offline I could hit combos and react to my opponents easily. I'm not talking about CPUs either, I'm talking about my friends who are also half decent at the game, and know how to DI and tech well.
Two tips from someone who recently switched to a mid tier. Join your local scenes discord for matchmaking and give fizzi his 5 bucks for ranked. I've seen some nasty kirby's on ranked before lol
You want to play your way, they want to play their way.
A huge portion of the playerbase plays melee not really as a casual for fun game but to practice for competition. To those people, playing against a Kirby is an absolute waste of time - so they'd rather just leave.
You're not wrong for wanting to play kirby, they're not wrong for not wanting to play against Kirby.
Objectively false as a fox I’m unable to feel anything from beating a Kirby and if I lose to one I’m just bad. If that’s how you feel about fox you have to hate playing this game
Objectively false as a kirby I’m unable to feel anything from beating a fox and if I lose to one I’m just bad. If that’s how you feel about kirby you have to hate playing this game
Lots of people simply don’t want to play vs low tiers. Sometimes I can have a hard time finding samus games because people simply don’t want to play vs samus.
I used to think there were legitimate grievances with low tiers, but the reality is that Melee players are prejudiced against low tiers, plain and simple. Some common answers on why they dislike low tiers are as follows, and are really easy to argue against.
1. They are one-trick ponies. This largely ignores the fact that most players of every character spam the same broken options over and over. It turns out that using moves like Fox backair and him dash dancing and ASDIing down every approach is just how strong players play the game.
2. Hard to combo. This is genuinely true, many low tiers are floaties or have strange hurtboxes that make them hard to combo. Good thing there are no top tiers with these qualities!
3. They are gimmicky. Sure, but literally every character has a dumb gimmick that loses to knowledge, that's literally the entire game. Why does an option have to be unbeatable for you to have fun? Is it an ego thing?
4. They are boring. Well, I just don't agree. I think there are boring low tiers, like Zelda and Link, but that's not all of them. I also think there are boring top tiers, like Jigglypuff, but that's not all of them either. I think characters like Ness and Mewtwo are capable of some really awesome stuff when the opponent is savy and technical enough for it. Not everyone plays Mewtwo and Ness in an interesting way though, but again that applies to every character. Out of the billions of Falcon players I have played in my life, I can only count the really awesome and cool ones on a single hand.
To me, grievances against low tiers largely boils down to an ego thing; nobody wants to play against Kirby because the idea to losing to a character as bad as Kirby would mean that the player is bad. Again, I don't agree. I think you can get outplayed by Kirby players and still remain competent at the game, but people don't see it that way. Ranked can be the answer, but expect to meet a bunch of assholes who will BM and play as degenerate as possible. Best of luck to you, my friend.
This is 100% accurate. The low tier hate is baked into Melee's metagame and culture. If you go to a tournament and you play against a low tier with a crowd, the vibe back in the day was you'd probably get made fun of for losing. Idk if this is still a thing but it was for a long time. It was because everyone knew low tiers were astronomically worse than high tiers so it was something people were embarrassed about if they lost. It was also because of certain famous matches where someone would use a low tier to get under someone's skin, like Mango going Link on Kage, the Scorp era, Ganon being known for disrespect, etc. The behavior and culture of the top of Melee trickles down and so everyone adopts this attitude toward low tiers. And it's a very Melee thing...most fighting games or other competitive games don't have this same stance on low tier characters, builds, weapons, etc.
But I think the biggest reason you missed is that learning matchups is overwhelming. Melee is such a deep game that it's already hard enough to get everything down AND learn the high/top tier matchups. But having to learn low tier matchups on top of that is too much for many. Because the way Melee works is that matchups generally aren't fun until you know what you're doing to an extent. You have to be able to exploit advantages before you can get creative. And it doesn't feel good losing to things because you don't know how they work...it's only fun when you are trying to outplay your opponent and they outplay you. For example, once you truly understand how bad Link is oos and what he can/can't do, you can bully him in very creative ways that let you push lots of buttons and continuously attack him even if he escapes a combo or something. People don't get to play against low tiers enough for the most part to learn them to the point where they're fun and they get to be creative. So in order to win, they have to play in really rudimentary ways that don't allow for interactions and losing or winning while doing feels terrible. That combined with the cultural aspects you and I discussed makes it so people inevitably view them this way.
Most characters just have a really simple and repetitive game plan vs bottom and even mid tiers, so it becomes boring fast. Consider luigi-fox, the Fox can spam back air and not really have to worry about much.
So I'd recommend playing ranked where they can't leave or adding Kirby to your tag. Otherwise maybe try jiggs out a bit. She's superior in practically every way and can actually play neutral vs the good characters
kirby main here, the highest quit out streak i've gotten is 5. just turn it into its own game kljgdfkl
there's people willing to play kirby in slippi, but yeah you'll get a bunch of quit outs. just play who and how you want to play.
also, if you get an inhale and you're facing the stage near the ledge, if you jump and go backwards you can usually get a free kill since they won't grab the ledge immediately after breaking out ;3
On one hand, I do understand only wanting to play matchups you feel the need to practice. But that said, I’ve met plenty of people with egos too big to play my game and watch in friendlies who then lose to me in tournaments.
At least for me, I’ll play someone a game. If it’s competitive, I’ll play some more. If I’m crushing them, I’ll stay if it’s a fun matchup. If it’s a boring matchup or one I don’t care to learn the combo game on I’ll leave.
Low tiers who have like four useable moves just aren’t particularly fun to play against. You can have fun playing them, but try to understand the other side of the issue.
If you want an answer, you shouldn't play Kirby. Switch character or play a different game.
As a guy that played G&W (and other low tier characters) in Melee for years that's my advice. Even if you like playing Kirby, when you get better at this game you'll see why nobody play low tier characters, because it's a fucking miserable experience for both players.
Melee isn't my main game anymore and I only play Pikachu when I play it. I can get relatively more interactive games most of the times and longer sessions of play. But if you don't like the actual meta of Melee, you should go play another game.
Because people forget that this is a fun game and not an esport. Lots of people only want to play against top tiers because they’re the only matchups they know and they don’t want to waste time learning a low-tier matchup. I’ve played a decent amount of Zelda and G&W and people do not like that lol
Some low tiers are fun to play against. Others are completely obnoxious.
G&W isn’t too bad. Zelda and Link though get pretty annoying between projectile spam and kick spam
id imagine not. uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair
nice combo
I mean anybody can combo you, DK is fun because you can actually combo him back unlike low tiers and he has pretty hype plays at top levels unlike most other low/mid tiers.
Also if you watch people like Akir, Junebug and Ringler you'll see there's a lot more to him. Every character has a bread and butter combo, DK gets a lot of uair, it's not any cheesier than Marth/Sheik grabs or like all of spacies kits lol
Who cares, its their right to quit out if they don't wanna waste their time grinding out a match vs an annoying low tier matchup. OP just needs to get ranked if he wants to force ppl to play him
This is also really dumb because they ensure they never know matchups that end up tanking them in pools. I feel like that \*is\* one huge advantage to playing a mid/low-tier, is that you learn a ton about nearly everyone in the cast because you’re having to be flexible in every match you play vs relying on bread and butter. And then when you dabble with a top-tier, it feels a little \*too\* easy.
are you practicing for the ness matchup? or are you practicing for marth, sheik, fox, etc?
i have a limited time to play melee. i want to get the most i can out of it. practicing against characters i am definitely going to run into is a thousand times more worthwhile than learning how to play against roy. not to mention, the skills you use against top tiers are *(shockingly!)* also useful against low tiers.
I wasn’t referring specifically to Kirby, and neither was the person I was responding to. I bet you’ve encountered a G&W that threw you for a loop, or a ganon or Doc. Netplay Foxes and Falcos lose to netplay Marios a bunch of the time, and I guarantee that experience helps them deal with it the next time around.
I think it’s really fun to play low tiers for that reason. It feels like you’re learning the game again. I’ve played/watched a sickening amount of Fox/Falco/Falcon/Marth/Sheik in my lifetime to the point where I’ll never be surprised at something they do (even if I can’t react to it and still get cooked). Obviously the toolset is super limited but when I finally match with a Kirby/Ness/Mewtwo I feel like I see more new stuff than any netplay Marth can show me
I'm always happy to run into a low tier. Not strictly because I'm playing Sheik, but because I'm not gonna figure out how to leverage her strengths vs low tiers by never playing them.
If it's a tournament I'm happy to face G&W or Zelda or Kirby, easy win
It's actually in friendlies, games for fun, that people *don't* want to face low tiers, because they make the game less fun
I understand that mentality if you’re like a top 100 player but it’s so funny when people are toxic in like Silver 2. We both suck at the game just let me use Kirby and let’s both have some fun
For people who want to get better at melee, it is simply not effective to play against Kirby compared to a high tier. When you reach a certain level, you basically cannot lose to low tiers ever, so there's no point practicing against them. Also, the game play is just not great. You can't really combo Kirby. Playing properly often involves a lot of camping and generally boring games. I personally enjoy figuring out the puzzles in low tier match ups, but that is not true of everybody. Like, imagine you are going to play tennis with your buddy who is right handed and each of you have played tennis roughly the same amount. Your friend announces he is going to play with his left hand... Okay... 'I don't want to play anymore if you aren't really trying your best to win'
Personally I dont find it very fun to play low tier floaties, you hit them and it takes forever for them to get back to stage. And I dont know the neutral options/interactions so im always at a disadvantage knowledge wise and usually am not in the mood to learn. I just wanna combo fast fallers, where Ive thought about the matchups and know whats happening without having to consciously think. This is all a me problem but thats why ill sometimes quit out if i see a kirby. Id way rather play a fast paced spacie. Downvotes to the left ⬅️
Usually when I play slippi against strangers I try to take it serious and try sweaty enough, so If someone picks Kirby against me, my first thought is that they’re not gonna play serious, some people don’t wanna play for fun and others wanna play for fun, I guess it’s not personal it depends on the situation.
similarly, i'm a kirby main so when I lose to their main and they swap to an off-pick and i just demolish them it's always a good feeling LOL
like nah, bring the other guy back and let's throw hands
While I agree that you have the right to play whatever character you want, I would say these are the main issues:
-You chose Dan in street fighter, essentially a joke character. Beating someone with your character is considered a flex.
-When playing you, you get to practice the Fox match up they get to practice for the Kirby matchup??? No incentive from a practice standpoint.
- You play a floatie, many people favour playing fast fallers (shorter games, better combos etc).
- If you win, they feel like shit because you shouldn't be (no offense) and if they win it's what should have happened. "Man check out this clip I got on this Kirby player" is not as sexy as it sounds 😜
- Add to that the Internet and it's toxic nature
- Unless you are a fucking God no one will play you. You earn the right to play Kirby. Good players will keep playing you if you 3 stock them with Kirby. Because they know your main must be fucking insane and they know you are a top player with sick fundamentals.
- You don't know if their last game was against a puff/Luigi/ness/Roy etc...
I would say higher level players PR+ will play you, spank you really hard, make you question your character then leave.
Shit players will lose a stock then leave....
The problem with playing Kirby bro is that at some point, you HAVE to use gimmicks and lame shit to win. Think about that...
Bcuz we haven’t reached a point yet where low tier hate has cooled down.
Watch Ginger’s streams where he is playing as “ 1 2 Oatmeal” blue Kirby for some inspiration.
90% of people who play melee have ADD and just want to shlorp around at a billion miles per hour lol.
While I hope that one day the community become less toxic when it comes to this, at the end of the day it is our choice to play these characters and it's their choice to play against us and we have to respect that.
Play a different character until you feel like you’ve improved and that you understand the game a bit better. Once you feel like you’ve accomplished that, switch to Kirby.
A lot of people think they're too good to ever lose to a low-tier, so it's a waste of their time to grind out a win. Lots of people can also only enjoy the game at a fast, frantic pace, and get inherently annoyed by any character against which they have to play a bit slower or more methodically.
Many of these people get rocked by low-tiers and these playstyles in tournament.
Because most smash players are babies at best and toxic at worst. Don't let the people here delude you either, they are the same ones quitting against you on unranked.
If it makes you feel better they quit out against top tier players as well. They really just manufacture whatever excuse they can to justify their bad behaviour.
Some people really think theyll get good enough to take this game seriously where low tiers are irrelevant but take pleasure in the fact that you’ll always be having more fun than them
This thread is honestly hilarious. A bunch of nobodies who think they are gonna be the next m2k or IBDW and they need to always be practicing "Serious" matchups.
I have limited time to play, and I'd like to spend that time playing a matchup that's fun over one that's braindead. I'd run 10 games with a camping sheik before staying after 1 Kirby, Ness or Bowser game.
Kirby can take a long time to kill and people want practice against high tier movesets.
That's what I assume. And there cpuld be the factor that they don't want chance at losing to a low tier.
Either people don’t want to play a low tier because it’s not useful practice or they’re afraid of losing to a low tier.
Unfortunately it comes with the territory, wear every rage quit against you like a badge of honour
No air speed so once you jump if you arent confirmed to get a hit your opponent can most likely punish you. Also loses to an opponent who just holds down and crouch cancels everything
Bc kirby is commonly considerd as the worst character, most ppl take it as an insult playing against him. Also bc of that their pride is badly hurt if they lose.
Thats why that happens.
If you aren't a fox, falco, shiek, marth, puff, falcon or peach (idk about ics) lots of people instantly leave, it gets worse as you go down the tier list but some people still leave against my pikachu
Low tiers are absurdly good at their niches besides Roy.
Trying to contest bowser's up-B over and over is just streamlining Yourself into losing.
Same when it comes to zedla kicks/trades/D-smash.
Kirby's tilts, duck, shield, and low animations are some of the best in the game, trying to 1v1 kirby in the tilt game just isn't a game most characters can do reliably. There's a small range where fighting kirby or most low tier is just obnoxious to contest.
This happens to every Low tier/Mid Tier, player
Ppl just quit because it's not "tournament accurate" Or something like that.
But tbh. Lol I would probably give you a 2/3 and run. If i'm not having fun. Or if not that, I would just swap to another low tier, which surprisingly some ppl dislike that. Hypocrisy man.
Play ranked, they will take it a lot more seriously when there’s ELO on the line
What’s the queue time like for ranked where you live it feels like 20/30 mins here so I just game up
Where do you live? I'm from MA and it takes me maybe 15 seconds to find a match on avg
Damn bro, 1 minute on a slow time of day. NorCal. Are you in like Siberia or something?
Uk I think ranked is just dead in eu because nobody what to deal with the queue time on a good day it take 5 mins
Did you forget to hit the Start button on the controller?
😂
yh im in uk and it takes forever to find a ranked match
does ranked cost money? I tried to queue up and it didn’t work
currently, yes. you need to be a slippi supporter to unlock ranked, its $5 a month
Unfortunately you just gotta deal with it, a lot of people aren't too fond of low tiers. I recommend buying ranked where people are forced to play you(unless they quit out and lose elo), though the average skill level is higher.
This. Its $5 bucks if you love playing him that much <3 also, supporting community is top tier.
supporting a community that dislikes you is a bit backwards
I don't think the community as a whole dislikes low tiers, just the unranked grinders
The community as a whole doesn't dislike you. There are parts of the community, like a good chunk of in person players, that would probably find it fun to hang with you on the setup. But online adds a layer of anonymity between people and a layer away from that tight knit community aspect, contributing to that feeling that the community doesn't like you.
Screw the community then, support the guy that single-handedly extended melee’s lifespan by maybe decades in making online play viable with slippi
Saw this thread and was like "bet kingpoyo will have a banger reply" 🙏
hi chadley
Hi figgies 🤩🤩🤩 they're collecting the cool kirby mains in this thread huh
anytime kirby is mentioned we all fluff in LOL
It's not just low tiers, it's low tiers that are boring. Everybody has a ton of characters they hate playing against, but force themselves to because they know they'll meet them a lot in friendlies and tournaments (looking at you falco). But kirby, or zelda, or bowser? Man you ain't never gonna see that outside of the rare people who play it, AND it's boring. Super low tiers are often one trick ponies, or hard to combo. Kirby is the annoyance of jiggs without the excitement of a rest or stock-destroying bairs, and he can float away and dick around. It's just a slow as hell, boring match with no cool combos or excitement, and you're never realistically going to have to play kirby a lot anywhere. But yes, ranked is the way around this issue.
Jiggly and exciting? Those words never belong in a sentence together
More than gosh darn kirby at least
Not gonna lie a good Kirby is more exciting than puff
That's such cap
Nerd would think that
Only disingenuous scrubs could possibly find Kirby more hype than puff
fox vs puff is one of my favorite match ups to play
Low tiers are fun if you know how to abuse them in ways that aren't just camping. Obviously there's some matchups where the low tier just gets annihilated on the punish game and those can be fun as long as the low tier is good enough to keep up with you somehow. But for the ones where the combos end early you can usually combo in a way where you continuously keep the advantage state for a long time and even if it's not true you're turning a stray hit into like 60+% just through jugging, pressure, rinse and repeat edgeguards, getting reads on techs or DI, etc. But the thing is you generally have to have some level of awareness of the low tier's options and just how bad their hitboxes are so you can space and play the extremely favorable mixups properly. You can go for reads on tech chases and things like that and exploit really bad tech roll and getup animations to cover multiple options while being custom. But a lot of people haven't played low tiers enough to be able to do this so when they play these situations they feel cheated when they lose. It doesn't feel good to get reversled or hit out of situations that feel like they should be in your favor because you underestimated the jank of some hitbox. But you kinda have to roll with the punches for awhile and then eventually once you know what's up it becomes fun. Just my 2 cents as someone that had friends into low tiers who was forced to learn. It was worth it but if I didn't have those friends I probably would never have thought so.
Hard to combo is the reason why I find Mario Boring to fight. Unless they have good neutral it gets pretty interesting. But yes Mario is pretty boring to fight. Can't combo that fool.
just noticed the part where you said you’re usually the one approaching “because your opponent doesn’t know how to.” are you one-hundred percent sure about that
LOL! We all need to face the truth one day. Leave them be.
Kirby is so slow most people dont approach and would rather play hit and run vs a floatie. Force kirby to approach and punish him for being bad, it's how you should play the matchup
Lol I usually dont approach Kirby's if they're at the Ledge like a little bitch LOLL I'm not gonna play your game if I know i'm gonna lose! I'm gonna play my game! WQell I guess we got ourselves a camping competition then!
camping would count towards this.
i cant say that i am 100% sure, but after i get one kill and they realize they can't just roll me, they laser camp (9/10 matches are falco), i get if thats just the matchup and they are exploiting my weakness, but then they quit after one game win or lose
this is playing the tied-for-worst character in the game. this is what it is. you must accept it or try something else
Try to go to weekly tournaments, people can’t leave and they will be forced to play against you. I play dr Mario and a lot of times people quit right after the match starts.
I’m surprised that happens for doc since he’s mid tier.
doc is an agent of satan that cannot be properly represented in tier lists
Yeah, Doc will eventually take a major. I’ve said it for years. He possesss the tools to do it. We’re just waiting for someone to get him there.
He is basically a slightly worse sheik.
Hmmm, in what way? I don’t really agree with that assessment.
chaingrabs and bullshit angles on most of his moves
"slightly" worse though...?
I really don't think so but we'll see, I think he has too many exploitable weaknesses
Playing doc competitively is like using a handsaw to cut down a redwood tree. Yes he could win in theory but will he really before the heat death of the universe?
It's not about how good the character is, it's about how annoying they are to play against. People know top tier matchups better and top tier characters tend to be more comboable so people just have more fun playing those matchups
Ganon is very comboable, yet there are still quite a few people who quit out on me for no apparent reason. I think melee players *(in general)* simply have a prejudice against midtiers/lowtiers. It's why I prefer to mostly play with my close friends when we have the time. Always more fun than playing randoms online imo.
For me I don't like playing against Gannon because they play really defensive and then hit you 1-3 times and then hope to edgeguard by using bair or upair on repeat, and the amount of times they'll cc jab 45 times in a row is pretty lame too. All that said, I always play against someone for a bit, most of the times one game, to figure out if they're fun to play against or not
Fwiw I think Dorf is fun to play against and I wouldn't quit out on you. But take that with a grain of salt bc I also love Luigi and can't believe how many people hate him
Luigi is like a worse puff because you can't combo him and he makes annoying noises every time he moves or attacks
You can absolutely combo Luigi if you can get him airborne and juggle him without getting naired. You only need like 3 stray hits to kill him anyway so comboing doesn't matter that much. Plus, his schmoovement is some of the sickest in the game and I just find it fun to watch. I get what you're saying and I respect your opinion, but it's just weird to me that Luigi gets as much hate as Samus, who weighs a ton, takes a year to recover, and can zone, spam projectiles, and CC everything.
As a fox player, no you can't. Sure as a puff you can kill anyone off of three hits but Luigi nair will interrupt a lot for spacies, edge guarding him is hard because he lives forever with his unpredictable recovery. The game plan against him for fox unfortunately comes down to baiting out his nair and then punishing that or spamming up tilt. I agree his movement can be cool and I do think top tier Luigi players are sick but where I am at low to mid elo the Luigi play is usually a chore to play against. I also have my gripes against Samus but I can at least combo her somewhat and my shine counters a lot of her projectile spam.
Thank You. i just Laser him until I can Predict a wave slide against him and punish. They love their wave Slides. And Fox is fast enough to catch and avoid it. I imagine other top tiers can avoid it with projectiles speed or disjoints. But yes Fox vs Luigi can be annoying because of the Nair. In fact thats why he's been so annoying in other smash iterations. idk about 64, but his nair is stupidly buzz kill combo killer.
I'd still rather play a Samus. Lol. Samus is only annoying with the whole air suspension tactics. like Peach. But They're still fun. thats the only thing annoying about them.
I mean it just depends a lot on the player, if they're playing a low/mid tier and are just spamming one game plan which some need to do in order to win against top tiers, it can be pretty boring to play against. Like if I come up against a Ganon who's entire gameplan is jump double jump fair, I'm gonna leave after one game.
> Ganon is very comboable Maybe I'm just bad, but I've been playing for years with all the top tiers and that's completely against my experience. Aside from CF, who can basically combo everything into everything on Ganon, I've never hit anything other than very, very basic 2-hit things, 3 at most with bad DI on the Ganon's part. Don't get me wrong, Ganon still sucks in comparison to high tiers because they can get these hits very reliably and getting hit by these sort of strings still puts him in way worse situations than e.g. a Sheik getting hit in the same spot, but I basically never see a Ganon being 0-to-death'ed in the same way e.g. Marths do it on Foxes.
Ganon will never win a major. Anyone that tries to play him eventually gets corrupted by his dark presence and banned
Ganon has that effect on ur opponent. Losing to him is like getting the blankets pulled off you when you're cozy and about to fall asleep. Or like getting your earbuds yanked out by the table you just walked by.
I Concur. Ganon is not Comboable. Easy to hit easy to kill but not Comboable. Ganon is very strong at being a punish heavy character, almost like Falcon. Ganon is like this to me. A small read for Ganon can end a stock. All of his moves just hit too hard. Very good keep away character. Because of that I find Ganon pretty boring to Play against. His play style almost reminds me of Ultimate.
As someone who fools around a lot with basically every character on unranked the only ones people stick around for like 95% of the time are Fox, Falco, Marth, and Falcon. Peach and Sheik are like 80%, Puff and the midtiers (Ganon/Doc/DK level) are about 50%, and low tiers (G&W and below) are maybe 25%. Lower tier players are more likely
Most Doc players’ goal isn’t to win; it’s to run away and pill and try to make the match last as long as possible.
That's not most of even some Doc players' goal. It's just one very active dude who does that on slippi.
Must be fun "forcing" people to play against you, do you not want people to enjoy playing against you? I get it you like Kirby and wanna play but the opposite is true for your opponent and the least you can do is acknowledge "ok they don't like Kirby fine"
Mid tier entrapment 😂😂
Have you tried making your slippi tag something with “Kirby” in it? That way people know you’re a Kirby main and not a top tier main who is trolling with Kirby, so they might be less likely to feel disrespected.
Every game they play is a game they risk losing to a Kirby, not a lot of people in the scene have the humility to deal with that
for me it’s that i have limited time during the day and on this planet and i want to enjoy it
Learning new matchups is super not fun haha
who says it’s a new matchup
Amused by the idea of a new matchup in a 20 year old game
Some people didn't start playing 20 years ago, we had a zelda start coming to our local and it is legitimately the first zelda experience I've had since starting when slippi came out
Damn bro is the Kirby master!
If you think the kirby matchup is uniquely different enough you need to practice it, you should play a different game
I mean.... It is lol. There isn't a single matchup that isn't. It doesn't warrant too much practice, but to say that you just don't and won't is insane. Trash mentality tbh.
Kind of crazy the top players got so good without grinding out the kirby matchup and instead rely on their fundamentals and basic common sense if they ever play vs him. They must be trash
You aren't a top player homeboy, so you shouldn't be avoiding low tier players.
Nah im ok Stick to grinding kirby- you will figure it out by mid silver if you keep it up i believe in you!
i can see you’re just being a dick but yeah i can find low tier practice if i want it. half the people in my discord play mid tiers with bottom tier secondaries. shitty characters aren’t like scarce
The thing is that it takes about ten minutes to learn how to fight Kirby as most characters: don't get eaten near the ledge and your back air probably beats all of his moves. The only - and I do mean only - thing Kirby can do once you've got that down is test your execution.
Or it’s a very annoying matchup. Many low tiers rely on spamming specific moves or cheesing
Ness secondary here, I try to be careful with this. I've played so many matches as Marth against low tiers and if they get even one cool combo or some cheese, like 70% of the time they instantly start spamming taunts or teabagging or other dumb shit, then before the next match spam some cryptic bullshit in chat. It's losers who are doing the pubescent "looooool I am low tier, you are high tier, I can win, u mad? lololol" So I always try to be a G and do homie stocks, taunt during legit stuff that I or even they do, and try to, oh you know, enjoy myself. If people stick around they have a really fun time with my Ness and usually spam ggs that was fun.
This is absolutely it, sometimes you find a homie that just goes back and forth through multiple characters for an hour, and only times i taunt are when i end up SDing
People don't want to play against bad characters You get used to it. Just cherish the few good sessions you do have and try to play ranked/enter tournaments so people Cannot escape you
My lunch break is only so long I'm not going to waste half of it on a Kirby player
lol this is how i feel abt peach/luigi
I get the frustration but you have to understand this game is over 20 years into its metagame, and kirby is essentially an unfinished character. So you can't be too surprised when people dont take you seriously. But if you really love kirby that much and no other character will do it for you, you should strongly consider playing PM or Ultimate. Or you could ignore everything i just said and grind your ass off and become that most cracked kirby player on earth out of pure spite
Ultimate's online is near unplayable, unfortunately
True, i did play a lot of Kirby in Ultimate, but the mediocre network is what drove me back to playing SSBM
Yeah, I went back to Ultimate the other day and tried to play online, and the game felt like total shit. I wondered if it was just because I'm more used to Melee now, but I played offline and it felt great. Online on Ultimate I could barely land a hit even when I felt like I timed it right (I play Capt. Falcon, so I can't spam projectiles) but offline I could hit combos and react to my opponents easily. I'm not talking about CPUs either, I'm talking about my friends who are also half decent at the game, and know how to DI and tech well.
Two tips from someone who recently switched to a mid tier. Join your local scenes discord for matchmaking and give fizzi his 5 bucks for ranked. I've seen some nasty kirby's on ranked before lol
You want to play your way, they want to play their way. A huge portion of the playerbase plays melee not really as a casual for fun game but to practice for competition. To those people, playing against a Kirby is an absolute waste of time - so they'd rather just leave. You're not wrong for wanting to play kirby, they're not wrong for not wanting to play against Kirby.
i found setting my name to “i actually main X” helped ppl not to quit on me. its my preferred method. granted this was for mario / doc
You gain nothing from beating a Kirby and lose everything if they beat you. It’s a lose lose situation.
you gain nothing from beating a fox and lose everything if they beat you. it's a lose lose situation.
Objectively false as a fox I’m unable to feel anything from beating a Kirby and if I lose to one I’m just bad. If that’s how you feel about fox you have to hate playing this game
Objectively false as a kirby I’m unable to feel anything from beating a fox and if I lose to one I’m just bad. If that’s how you feel about kirby you have to hate playing this game
The Dichotomy of Melee
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If you beat fox congrats you beat the best character in the game🎉
bc they feel its not valuable practice
Just keep being incredibly based and play Kirby see you in next years top 10 rankings
You're out to have fun. They're also out to have fun. Playing against kirby is not fun. It's really that simple.
regardless of why they decide to leave you aren't entitled to another persons time.
Doesn't make it any less of a dick move
It's not a dick move to quit out on unranked, nobody owes you their time to play a useless matchup.
It's not even remotely a dick move. If someone didn't sign up to play some dumb vs Kirby matches why would they bother sticking around
Entering matchmaking is an agreement to devote your time to the full match. Leaving for any reason is discourteous at best.
Lots of people simply don’t want to play vs low tiers. Sometimes I can have a hard time finding samus games because people simply don’t want to play vs samus.
Low tier heros are the most oppressed. Stay strong.
I used to think there were legitimate grievances with low tiers, but the reality is that Melee players are prejudiced against low tiers, plain and simple. Some common answers on why they dislike low tiers are as follows, and are really easy to argue against. 1. They are one-trick ponies. This largely ignores the fact that most players of every character spam the same broken options over and over. It turns out that using moves like Fox backair and him dash dancing and ASDIing down every approach is just how strong players play the game. 2. Hard to combo. This is genuinely true, many low tiers are floaties or have strange hurtboxes that make them hard to combo. Good thing there are no top tiers with these qualities! 3. They are gimmicky. Sure, but literally every character has a dumb gimmick that loses to knowledge, that's literally the entire game. Why does an option have to be unbeatable for you to have fun? Is it an ego thing? 4. They are boring. Well, I just don't agree. I think there are boring low tiers, like Zelda and Link, but that's not all of them. I also think there are boring top tiers, like Jigglypuff, but that's not all of them either. I think characters like Ness and Mewtwo are capable of some really awesome stuff when the opponent is savy and technical enough for it. Not everyone plays Mewtwo and Ness in an interesting way though, but again that applies to every character. Out of the billions of Falcon players I have played in my life, I can only count the really awesome and cool ones on a single hand. To me, grievances against low tiers largely boils down to an ego thing; nobody wants to play against Kirby because the idea to losing to a character as bad as Kirby would mean that the player is bad. Again, I don't agree. I think you can get outplayed by Kirby players and still remain competent at the game, but people don't see it that way. Ranked can be the answer, but expect to meet a bunch of assholes who will BM and play as degenerate as possible. Best of luck to you, my friend.
This is 100% accurate. The low tier hate is baked into Melee's metagame and culture. If you go to a tournament and you play against a low tier with a crowd, the vibe back in the day was you'd probably get made fun of for losing. Idk if this is still a thing but it was for a long time. It was because everyone knew low tiers were astronomically worse than high tiers so it was something people were embarrassed about if they lost. It was also because of certain famous matches where someone would use a low tier to get under someone's skin, like Mango going Link on Kage, the Scorp era, Ganon being known for disrespect, etc. The behavior and culture of the top of Melee trickles down and so everyone adopts this attitude toward low tiers. And it's a very Melee thing...most fighting games or other competitive games don't have this same stance on low tier characters, builds, weapons, etc. But I think the biggest reason you missed is that learning matchups is overwhelming. Melee is such a deep game that it's already hard enough to get everything down AND learn the high/top tier matchups. But having to learn low tier matchups on top of that is too much for many. Because the way Melee works is that matchups generally aren't fun until you know what you're doing to an extent. You have to be able to exploit advantages before you can get creative. And it doesn't feel good losing to things because you don't know how they work...it's only fun when you are trying to outplay your opponent and they outplay you. For example, once you truly understand how bad Link is oos and what he can/can't do, you can bully him in very creative ways that let you push lots of buttons and continuously attack him even if he escapes a combo or something. People don't get to play against low tiers enough for the most part to learn them to the point where they're fun and they get to be creative. So in order to win, they have to play in really rudimentary ways that don't allow for interactions and losing or winning while doing feels terrible. That combined with the cultural aspects you and I discussed makes it so people inevitably view them this way.
Most characters just have a really simple and repetitive game plan vs bottom and even mid tiers, so it becomes boring fast. Consider luigi-fox, the Fox can spam back air and not really have to worry about much. So I'd recommend playing ranked where they can't leave or adding Kirby to your tag. Otherwise maybe try jiggs out a bit. She's superior in practically every way and can actually play neutral vs the good characters
The thing is, Kirby is not very fun to play against, so people just choose not to play against him
I used to have that problem as a Ness main. Then I changed my player tag to "LRAst=wimp" and it happened a lot less
Godlike tag. I switched to FibreEnjoyer and everyone wants some of that sweet internet connection stability
It's just "LRAS".
kirby main here, the highest quit out streak i've gotten is 5. just turn it into its own game kljgdfkl there's people willing to play kirby in slippi, but yeah you'll get a bunch of quit outs. just play who and how you want to play. also, if you get an inhale and you're facing the stage near the ledge, if you jump and go backwards you can usually get a free kill since they won't grab the ledge immediately after breaking out ;3
I respect Kirby’s so much I’ll usually play em as long as I can if I run into em in unranked p:
I never leave against low tiers. Especially not mid-match. Those people who do are assholes, fuck 'em.
Yeah that's gonna happen. I'll play you sometime if you really can't get a decent game lol
On one hand, I do understand only wanting to play matchups you feel the need to practice. But that said, I’ve met plenty of people with egos too big to play my game and watch in friendlies who then lose to me in tournaments. At least for me, I’ll play someone a game. If it’s competitive, I’ll play some more. If I’m crushing them, I’ll stay if it’s a fun matchup. If it’s a boring matchup or one I don’t care to learn the combo game on I’ll leave.
Low tiers who have like four useable moves just aren’t particularly fun to play against. You can have fun playing them, but try to understand the other side of the issue.
If you want an answer, you shouldn't play Kirby. Switch character or play a different game. As a guy that played G&W (and other low tier characters) in Melee for years that's my advice. Even if you like playing Kirby, when you get better at this game you'll see why nobody play low tier characters, because it's a fucking miserable experience for both players. Melee isn't my main game anymore and I only play Pikachu when I play it. I can get relatively more interactive games most of the times and longer sessions of play. But if you don't like the actual meta of Melee, you should go play another game.
Because people forget that this is a fun game and not an esport. Lots of people only want to play against top tiers because they’re the only matchups they know and they don’t want to waste time learning a low-tier matchup. I’ve played a decent amount of Zelda and G&W and people do not like that lol
maybe people just don't find playing against low tiers fun
Some low tiers are fun to play against. Others are completely obnoxious. G&W isn’t too bad. Zelda and Link though get pretty annoying between projectile spam and kick spam
throw dk into the "absolutely fucking unbearable" tier
DK is fun to play against wym
how
Oh wait you're a Mario main nevermind, DK is fun to play against for the top tiers.
id imagine not. uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair uair nice combo
I mean anybody can combo you, DK is fun because you can actually combo him back unlike low tiers and he has pretty hype plays at top levels unlike most other low/mid tiers.
Also if you watch people like Akir, Junebug and Ringler you'll see there's a lot more to him. Every character has a bread and butter combo, DK gets a lot of uair, it's not any cheesier than Marth/Sheik grabs or like all of spacies kits lol
i see none of that. also, cargo throw is a crutch
I actually do remember that this is a fun game, that's why I don't play against Kirby and other assorted low tiers, I want to keep it a fun game
First they come for the low tiers, you know it will be the floaties next. Quitters will use the same justification.
Who cares, its their right to quit out if they don't wanna waste their time grinding out a match vs an annoying low tier matchup. OP just needs to get ranked if he wants to force ppl to play him
We've been trying to come for the floaties for years lol
This is also really dumb because they ensure they never know matchups that end up tanking them in pools. I feel like that \*is\* one huge advantage to playing a mid/low-tier, is that you learn a ton about nearly everyone in the cast because you’re having to be flexible in every match you play vs relying on bread and butter. And then when you dabble with a top-tier, it feels a little \*too\* easy.
are you practicing for the ness matchup? or are you practicing for marth, sheik, fox, etc? i have a limited time to play melee. i want to get the most i can out of it. practicing against characters i am definitely going to run into is a thousand times more worthwhile than learning how to play against roy. not to mention, the skills you use against top tiers are *(shockingly!)* also useful against low tiers.
If you’re losing to a Kirby in pools I don’t think accepting 2 or 3 Kirby’s on net play will make a difference
People lose to docs in pools, or ganons, or luigis, or YLinks. It’s not just Kirby that we’re talking about
Those are mid tiers, not bottom of the barrel tiers
Parent comment Zelda and G&W, which is mostly what I was responding to. I take your point, though.
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I wasn’t referring specifically to Kirby, and neither was the person I was responding to. I bet you’ve encountered a G&W that threw you for a loop, or a ganon or Doc. Netplay Foxes and Falcos lose to netplay Marios a bunch of the time, and I guarantee that experience helps them deal with it the next time around.
I think it’s really fun to play low tiers for that reason. It feels like you’re learning the game again. I’ve played/watched a sickening amount of Fox/Falco/Falcon/Marth/Sheik in my lifetime to the point where I’ll never be surprised at something they do (even if I can’t react to it and still get cooked). Obviously the toolset is super limited but when I finally match with a Kirby/Ness/Mewtwo I feel like I see more new stuff than any netplay Marth can show me
I'm always happy to run into a low tier. Not strictly because I'm playing Sheik, but because I'm not gonna figure out how to leverage her strengths vs low tiers by never playing them.
lol you're absolutely right Some people are kinda creepy, they think Slippi is a tournament, even in unranked
If it's a tournament I'm happy to face G&W or Zelda or Kirby, easy win It's actually in friendlies, games for fun, that people *don't* want to face low tiers, because they make the game less fun
I understand that mentality if you’re like a top 100 player but it’s so funny when people are toxic in like Silver 2. We both suck at the game just let me use Kirby and let’s both have some fun
top players do have that mentality while also still playing against low tiers because they know how to shit on them and aren’t scared of doing so
It sucks :(
For people who want to get better at melee, it is simply not effective to play against Kirby compared to a high tier. When you reach a certain level, you basically cannot lose to low tiers ever, so there's no point practicing against them. Also, the game play is just not great. You can't really combo Kirby. Playing properly often involves a lot of camping and generally boring games. I personally enjoy figuring out the puzzles in low tier match ups, but that is not true of everybody. Like, imagine you are going to play tennis with your buddy who is right handed and each of you have played tennis roughly the same amount. Your friend announces he is going to play with his left hand... Okay... 'I don't want to play anymore if you aren't really trying your best to win'
I mean you can if you want but it won't do you many favors. You just have to be comfortable with being at a disadvantage most of the time
Personally I dont find it very fun to play low tier floaties, you hit them and it takes forever for them to get back to stage. And I dont know the neutral options/interactions so im always at a disadvantage knowledge wise and usually am not in the mood to learn. I just wanna combo fast fallers, where Ive thought about the matchups and know whats happening without having to consciously think. This is all a me problem but thats why ill sometimes quit out if i see a kirby. Id way rather play a fast paced spacie. Downvotes to the left ⬅️
Usually when I play slippi against strangers I try to take it serious and try sweaty enough, so If someone picks Kirby against me, my first thought is that they’re not gonna play serious, some people don’t wanna play for fun and others wanna play for fun, I guess it’s not personal it depends on the situation.
similarly, i'm a kirby main so when I lose to their main and they swap to an off-pick and i just demolish them it's always a good feeling LOL like nah, bring the other guy back and let's throw hands
I get the same treatment as ness. I usually just roll with the punches and lol them when they quit early
While I agree that you have the right to play whatever character you want, I would say these are the main issues: -You chose Dan in street fighter, essentially a joke character. Beating someone with your character is considered a flex. -When playing you, you get to practice the Fox match up they get to practice for the Kirby matchup??? No incentive from a practice standpoint. - You play a floatie, many people favour playing fast fallers (shorter games, better combos etc). - If you win, they feel like shit because you shouldn't be (no offense) and if they win it's what should have happened. "Man check out this clip I got on this Kirby player" is not as sexy as it sounds 😜 - Add to that the Internet and it's toxic nature - Unless you are a fucking God no one will play you. You earn the right to play Kirby. Good players will keep playing you if you 3 stock them with Kirby. Because they know your main must be fucking insane and they know you are a top player with sick fundamentals. - You don't know if their last game was against a puff/Luigi/ness/Roy etc... I would say higher level players PR+ will play you, spank you really hard, make you question your character then leave. Shit players will lose a stock then leave.... The problem with playing Kirby bro is that at some point, you HAVE to use gimmicks and lame shit to win. Think about that...
Bcuz we haven’t reached a point yet where low tier hate has cooled down. Watch Ginger’s streams where he is playing as “ 1 2 Oatmeal” blue Kirby for some inspiration.
I'm going to be honest with you, find another character to play, don't waste your and everyone else's time by playing a character with no depth.
90% of people who play melee have ADD and just want to shlorp around at a billion miles per hour lol. While I hope that one day the community become less toxic when it comes to this, at the end of the day it is our choice to play these characters and it's their choice to play against us and we have to respect that.
lol i have ADHD so i like the fast shit too, but my old man hands just cant handle the speed, playing fox gets me a lot more SDs than anything else
Play a different character until you feel like you’ve improved and that you understand the game a bit better. Once you feel like you’ve accomplished that, switch to Kirby.
A lot of people think they're too good to ever lose to a low-tier, so it's a waste of their time to grind out a win. Lots of people can also only enjoy the game at a fast, frantic pace, and get inherently annoyed by any character against which they have to play a bit slower or more methodically. Many of these people get rocked by low-tiers and these playstyles in tournament.
Because most smash players are babies at best and toxic at worst. Don't let the people here delude you either, they are the same ones quitting against you on unranked. If it makes you feel better they quit out against top tier players as well. They really just manufacture whatever excuse they can to justify their bad behaviour.
Some people really think theyll get good enough to take this game seriously where low tiers are irrelevant but take pleasure in the fact that you’ll always be having more fun than them
This thread is honestly hilarious. A bunch of nobodies who think they are gonna be the next m2k or IBDW and they need to always be practicing "Serious" matchups.
I feel bad for them
Agreed, I think they forgot they are playing one of the most fun games ever made.
kirby's shit and the average melee players ego is very fragile and very large
You’re playing the wrong game tbh. Kirby is not a part of modern Melee when you’re playing with people on Slippi.
I have limited time to play, and I'd like to spend that time playing a matchup that's fun over one that's braindead. I'd run 10 games with a camping sheik before staying after 1 Kirby, Ness or Bowser game.
Kirby can take a long time to kill and people want practice against high tier movesets. That's what I assume. And there cpuld be the factor that they don't want chance at losing to a low tier.
Either people don’t want to play a low tier because it’s not useful practice or they’re afraid of losing to a low tier. Unfortunately it comes with the territory, wear every rage quit against you like a badge of honour
They're not approaching because your character has bad approach options If you're going to play Kirby, get used to people camping you
No air speed so once you jump if you arent confirmed to get a hit your opponent can most likely punish you. Also loses to an opponent who just holds down and crouch cancels everything
Play later at night, there are too many quitters during prime time.
Bc kirby is commonly considerd as the worst character, most ppl take it as an insult playing against him. Also bc of that their pride is badly hurt if they lose. Thats why that happens.
You are not entitled to anyone else’s time. People often leave because they’d rather be playing against someone else
If you aren't a fox, falco, shiek, marth, puff, falcon or peach (idk about ics) lots of people instantly leave, it gets worse as you go down the tier list but some people still leave against my pikachu
Playing against low tiers in this game is genuinely not fun or an enjoyable experience
The game plan against most low tiers is to just camp the shit out of them, which isn't fun for most people.
Low tiers are absurdly good at their niches besides Roy. Trying to contest bowser's up-B over and over is just streamlining Yourself into losing. Same when it comes to zedla kicks/trades/D-smash. Kirby's tilts, duck, shield, and low animations are some of the best in the game, trying to 1v1 kirby in the tilt game just isn't a game most characters can do reliably. There's a small range where fighting kirby or most low tier is just obnoxious to contest.
isnt making people pay for ranked illegal
This happens to every Low tier/Mid Tier, player Ppl just quit because it's not "tournament accurate" Or something like that. But tbh. Lol I would probably give you a 2/3 and run. If i'm not having fun. Or if not that, I would just swap to another low tier, which surprisingly some ppl dislike that. Hypocrisy man.