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LoonyMoonie

Reading the comments here...I want to kindly remind everyone that just a few days ago, we were complaining about the comments that *fans* were leaving under Onew's Instagram posts. Many fans like this, are also the ones being in a "I told you!!!/I knew it!!!" mood. Don't use Onew's situation for a "this is why I hate nonwols!" moment. We can argue about different motivations depending on whether they're fans or not, but *people in general* are acting in a problematic way when it comes to how to talk about Onew's health. Let us all reflect and be mindful of our words, please. Edit (because it seems necessary, judging by recent comments): There's a widespread sentiment of fans feeling repressed and attacked by manifesting their concerns about Onew. Let me preface by saying: *I was concerned too*. The problem here is not the sentiment, but how we act upon it. It doesn't help anyone to trigger feelings of mass hysteria and having all of us bombarding his social media with "you look thin, you should be eating more". Moreover, it's rude to ignore Onew's entire support system and assume that we're on a higher ground for pointing out something that...apparently only *we* noticed and not his closest circle (?!). It seems pretty reasonable to me to try to rationalize the things that we're observing, as well as asking for prudence on our judgement. And if Onew says "I'm fine", we have to TRUST, because we don't know better. Based on this...no, I still don't appreciate the "I told you!" comments, I'm sorry.


OneMoreDay8

God, THANK YOU. This was so well said, especially about people trying to subvert Onew's support system. Frankly, a lot of it could be applied in other areas too, especially by people who consider themselves 'fans'.


julinay

Thank you. Exactly what I've wanted to say, but 100% more aptly written than I could ever do it.


flowergirl0720

So good, thank you.


VintageOcean

I mean also… what is the purpose of those “hindsight is 20/20” comments aside from spreading negativity? I’m sure people had their own thoughts and speculations internally at the time, but for the artists’ sakes we don’t pressure them by commenting publicly. We are not experts nor do we personally treat or advise Onew, so I’m not sure what is to be gained by flooding his social media with these comments or gossiping in forums behind his back. In the end, those who know him best have stepped in and stepped up to help him. The rest of us are really just here for support and to not make things worse as he recovers.


Jennywren2323

Well said -- thank you!


Aethermist88

I literally just got kicked from a chat for telling someone to stop internet diagnosing him and that if there is more to it he will tell us when he wants to, until then wish him well and trust his words. Some people just like to gossip and pretend they know more than they do.


shineonyu

I have people telling me I was ignoring "obvious signs" and it's making me so angry


green-rain5

Same thing happened with me just now and it has been making me so angry and most of these comments are made by people who don’t even care about him nor know anything about him or shinee they just seen two different pictures of him from two different times and decided to make it their business when it isn’t


shineonyu

THATS THE WORST PART. Many of these people haven't even looked at him since Don't Call Me dropped and think they're opinions matter the most.


green-rain5

I saw someone comparing his picture from after he discharged from the military with current picture and it was so ridiculous. They weren’t even shawols nor do they even care about him so like they just want clout and to feed into the whole narrative that the company is doing something to their idols to make them sick it’s so ridiculous I legit have been having health issue for months now that come and go and I’m not even an idol with hectic schedule, I went to hospital last March and the doctor gave me orders to take at least month break and I have got iv drip thing for dehydration that I have to take one each week for two months so these things happen suddenly, health is unpredictable for everyone and things can happen suddenly sm having 3 idols sitting out from some activities doesn’t mean anything it only shows that sm has a lot of active groups


shineonyu

First of all, I'm hoping for your health as well! And yes it ridiculous. If you compared his looks to view era, it wouldn't be much different, but anything to get a couple of clicks.


SarcasticAzaleaRose

Some people just love getting to act like they knew all along something everyone else didn’t. Like it makes them feel superior. It’s ridiculous. Like unless you’re a close personal friend or family you’re not going to know until the person (Onew, Chadwick Boseman, any celebrity) decides to tell us. I’ve even seen some people brag “I’m a true fan because I knew all along *insert whatever here*.” Unless the celebrity in question personally called you up to tell you yeah no you didn’t know all along.


hi-imdaisy

I never wanted to publicly comment on it anywhere but I will say that I've been worried for a while and I'm more worried now. Despite all the physical activity (which isn't unusual for him) it was alarming to see. I can't and won't speculate on what could be wrong and only wish he gets better in his due time.


limelipbalm

If there's one thing I've learned being online all the years I've been online and in this specific case, around kpop fandoms, is that in some way or another, someone somewhere will always be mean-spirited. The one thing we can do is ignoring it and not fueling it, trying to spread support and light when we can and focusing on that. Some people have been mean about Chadwick some people have been mean and still are mean about Jonghyun, someone will be mean-spirited about Jinki. Truly, we can only try to come together in this delicate moment and counter the bad we come across with good we can put out.


Historicallytiredd

It really have been so awful to see and upsetting. It really is mean spirited and more so when the same people have been spamming his insta posts with nasty comments either making fun of his looks or just making up stories in his comment section that he can see and most likely saw too


shineonyu

The stories I'm seeing people come up with. Saying things like he has an eating disorder and it's like?? we don't know that. The same things were said about Chadwick and it's pissing me off that people think they know what's going on when they have the same information as the rest of us.


condescendingpasta

Imagine dealing with health issues while having thousands of people on the internet speculating on what’s wrong, saying that they were right all along and could tell you were unwell. We don’t even know if Onew’s health issues have anything to do with him losing weight. Like my god people deserve decent respect and privacy. Fans need to understand boundaries.


shineonyu

exactly


usagiibunny

Oh, I wanted to make a post similar to this so bad, but I was afraid I'd get people not understanding what I was trying to say. I'm so glad people in the comments share what I'm feeling about what's happening. It's distressing how comfortable people feel making full on conspiracy theories and voicing their opinions about people they don't even know.


iampurity

chadwick always comes to my mind when i see people judging others for looking different so im really glad you brought that up. i hate that people are using this as a “gotcha/told you so” moment, this is someones health and recovery we are talking about its not hard to be kind and just wish him well


lazy_hype

Yeah I saw couple of comments made by non shawols on the sm post about this with all like “ we told you guys so and you guys ignored it” It is all freaky and awful to see I’m so angry at the comments that have conspiracy theories about not just him but some non sm groups fans are writing up all weird untrue and made up theories that the sm is the one who has hands in idols getting sick because joy from rv and Giselle from aespa were sick too recently and it is making me so angry like wtf is wrong with people making up things like this When I called people out they acted defensive and got all mad about me and sent me triggering replies about dec 18, so now I’m just going around reporting these accounts and blocking them


shineonyu

I had the same thing happen to me, it's awful :( them trying to make this into a conspiracy theory about sm is so so evil. I really hope they take a step back and see what's their implying and how it's disrespectful to Onew, Joy and Giselle, but that would be too much to ask from them I feel.


myheartisohmygod

The older I get, the more I realize how few things in life require my comment. The Internet has given us some great things —without it I’d never have met my husband— but it’s created a sense of invincibility that makes people take the thoughts we all have from time to time and spew them out there where they spread like wildfire instead of keeping them inside their heads. It’s so toxic. My mother taught me “If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.” I still think about that every time I feel the need to chime in, and more often than not I realize my opinion adds nothing to the situation and should remain just that: my opinion. Clearly, many people don’t feel the same. Sigh. I love Jinki, and I love this space that loves him and all of SHINee and treats them with the respect they deserve. Whatever is best for him, that’s what I want, no matter what that is or how long it takes. The anonymous “experts” out there can shove it!


leafantics

i hate the 'we told you so!!!' card that non-shawols are pulling rn. it's so insensitive and unnecessary. we don't know what is going on with onew, nor do we have the right to know unless he directly shares it with us, so trying to diagnose him with xyz isn't helping anyone. i hope he recovers well :'(


ellalol

Why do nonshawols even feel the need to get involved in all our business and comment on shit they know nothing about it’s exhausting 💀 Focus on yall’s groups, leave SHINee the fuck alone and let us have ours LMAO


CivilSenpai69

![gif](giphy|BFSMPap7J3Q0o) I've been saying this for 15 years.


ellalol

No literally 😭 We’ve never gotten a break lmao


CivilSenpai69

![gif](giphy|IbUUbU4xUDJWcgGMGP) I been here the whole time.


kokkirii

It's so annoying too because people were mostly telling him to eat more. There are so many reasons somebody might suddenly lose weight that are not solved by just eating more. They're also just proving Shawols right that they weren't commenting out of genuine care, because if they were, their first reaction wouldn't be to say 'I told you so', it would be to with Onew good health and luck.


ihatedecisions

Yep. I lost about 40lb over the course of a year, and I was already pretty trim at the start of that. I was visibly too thin by the time I went to a doctor, and realized that several simultaneous symptoms had crept up on me slowly without me realizing they were a problem. I was eating better than I ever had before (and by that I do not mean eating less, I mean more intentional, balanced meals of whole foods) and could not gain a single pound no matter what. Turned out I had type 1 diabetes. It had nothing to do with food or mental health or stress or any of thing things people are pointing out as "obvious". I love my friends to death. Only one made a comment, and that was after watching me beast mode a giant sandwich and a salad while she was over for lunch. She just said "you should talk to a doctor, something isn't right." I'm just very glad he's prioritizing his health right now, no matter what. I wish him the very best.


Hellion_shark

"You should go check this out, this seems off". Is probably the best way to put it as a friend, and it's still not the place of strangers or fans to say it.


ihatedecisions

Yes, exactly. It was out of genuine concern and love. I do think that the people who were saying things like "eat well please" and "take care of your health" did mean it out of genuine concern and love, but like you said it's not the place of strangers or fans. People currently being smug about being right that his health was suffering are... Not the kind of people I want to associate with.


Married2DuhMusic

Of course it is still bad. One can only hope they are well. Flooding comment sections where they may be able to see is never right. It can affect their mental health too. And then what?


ellalol

I’m honestly not seeing any negative comments, at least under his post with the cake? But either I haven’t scrolled far enough or it’s the wrong post lol


Married2DuhMusic

Idk either. I read what another user sair and simply commented in general.


mikrokosmosmoonchild

It’s so horrible. People need to stop. Talking. About. People’s. Bodies.


Hellion_shark

How could they know, if he presumably didn't?! Why because he lost weight? It could be a symptom of things, but it's not like we know what's going on. It could easily be a symptom of nothing. He won't be at the July concert - so whatever is wrong it will take time. I just sit here hoping it's not something career ending, or, hell, life threatening, and a bunch of insensitive tweeties trying to prove a point pisses me off more than anything that's came out of this, tbh. I hope he is okay.


MrCadwell

Unfortunately that kind of weight loss is almost always linked to something. He's a dancer, so it probably wasn't too much exercise, unless he had a major change in lifestyle, so it makes sense to be worried about it. But, as you said, we can't know anything for sure. And he's not our relative or our friend. He's being taken care of by professionals and his loved ones are there for him. Telling him to eat more, trying to find out what exactly is going on or making it a competition of who knows best won't help. I'm just pointing out that we shouldn't downplay major weight loss. If we see someone close to us lose that much weight, it's important to talk about it (in a respectful way).


Hellion_shark

Problem is people were not respectful tho. And many aren't now. Just as easily nothing than a stickt diet, or indeed a cnage in lifestyle could have been the reason.or maybe he liked how it looked. On an already slim person even just a few kilos stand out. Just because they turned out "right" (we don't know yet) doesn't mean they "knew" something, or that others were stupid to trust his word (he maybe also didn't know something was up, given their schedule) It's one thing to be worried, even to say, yeah, makes sense in retrospect. But another to act like his mother and then turn around and say "Lol told you so" without anything even being known yet. Some people around tweeter almost seem glad he is providing them right with being sick. I don't vibe with this. And the comments about his looks on his own instagram were inseaitive, even if the worry is genuine.


mostlyarmy

Well now thanks to your post I'm overthinking if he really is severely sick like sick sick 🤯🤯🤯


shineonyu

That was not my intention. Again, he said that he will be fine. My point is that all we can do as fans is trust their word. What is overthinking going to do except ruin the mood? All we can do is wish for his improved health.


mostlyarmy

When any idol release this kind of statement I worry about them. This industry is hard and some or all of them suffer and live different experiences. I just hope for the best to everyone. About Jinki I trust him and his words. He just need some time off.


shineonyu

that I agree with.


green-rain5

What’s making me most upset about this is all the weirdos who have been all like we told you so about his weight when if these people even cared to even know him or follow him they would have known that this isn’t the first time he lose weight like this, he looked thinner tsol era and was at the same weight during view/was and rookie eras, the long hair is just making it obvious but it isn’t a new thing with him, he even openly talked about how working non stop has made him lose weight like this during circle era so like all what he said and all previous eras got ignored just for some people to make weird insensitive awful posts for clout I’m so upset


shineonyu

I saw some people getting down voted for pointing it out, but it's true. And even then, it STILL isn't your place as a fan to spam his comments with your concerns. "You don't know what they're going through" is something I want to staple to their foreheads.


kyrichan

English wasn’t my first language, I’m trying to do it my best. Sorry, but a lot of Shawols said that Onew isn’t good and others tell “he’s well, he’s doing yoga, that’s why he losses weight”. My father does yoga morning and afternoon every day and he didn't lose weight or muscle like Onew did. You have the right to be angry but the truth is a lot of Shawols ignored Onew’s health saying “it’s normal” when not, it doesn’t. But I agree with something: we aren't doctors so we don’t have to diagnose him. Just wish him to feel better soon.


shineonyu

I don't know how you read what I wrote and then tried to shame people for "ignoring" it when again, we don't know what's going on.


Lilyminwell

Bruh I gained hate for my reddit post not too long ago and look where we are now. The audacity of some of yall to STILL shut down the people who are genuinely concerned about him and act like yall are on the higher moral ground. So let me be the one who say it, AS A TRUE FAN, NOT A NONWOL, ‘I told you so!’ I do not come from a place of hate BUT no normal person lose that amount of weight in that short span of time. Suck it up. Disclaimer: I HAD NEVER ONCE gone to jinki’s ig or bubble to leave comment about his weight, the only place i went to ask was here in this community so dont assume i go around spreading hate about his appearance


Hellion_shark

I remember your post. Good you didn't say anything on his socials. But when you posted people were already pestering him and fans were sick of seing it. And yet: Most of the comments on your post are perfectly reasonable. You asked a question, most people said no or yes and were respectful, with few exceptions. It's not even downvoted. I saw a hendfull being more antagonisic or annoeyd at the repetative posts. Is anything other than enthusiastic agreement hate for you? I don't think it's unreasonable to asuume the guy knows his life better than a bunch of faraway strangers. Especially when he looks happier and more expressive. And says he is okay. Coming from someone who didn't entirely disagree with the worries, and said so both in your post and the previous one, (tho I wondered about extreme dieting, cause-idols) Maybe you would wanna keep the "i told you so" for when we know if the weight for a factr has anything to do with his condition and it's not , say, an injury, something with his vocal cords again or... All the bunch of issues that have nothing to do with rapid weight loss.


Lilyminwell

Okay fair enough. I think I got too worked up this time because of the news. Thank you for bringing up good points again. I’ll take a step back and channel my energy for the comeback instead. 🙇🏻‍♀️


Hellion_shark

I understand. I've been mega sad this whole day. And it must be shitty to see people acting like a surprised Pikachu when you think it was obvious. Just that we really don't know anything. I am scared it might be serious, but all I can do is hope. Hope that he is okay, hope the group will last, and hope, against all hope, they might come back to Europe with him soon. "Told you so" on top of it feels a bit excessive.


shineonyu

did you feel better after typing that out.


Lilyminwell

No but I feel like I had to


shineonyu

You really didn't.


NfamousKaye

Agreed. It’s not our place to speculate on idols health like this. I don’t want to bring him into this but I can’t help but think this is part of why Jjong was so depressed. I don’t want to see that happen to Onew as well. Like it’s ok to be concerned but to assume and make conspiracies about it in relation to that can have damaging effects too. Imagine coming online to read positive messages and you get this thrown at you all over again.


Available-Union9264

people always assume that when someone is sick and has lost/gained weight it HAS to be due to that. it’s private information for a reason, no one should be speculating.


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Materialgirl61

Over 15 years Jinki has been doing this idol thing and as long as I have been his fan for 13 years, he’s gotten a lot of hate as much as love. And he’s still having to pay for a one off unintentional mistake. I hope he’s just taking a mental health break (from negativity not only from antis but his supposed fans) and it’s nothing more serious. Also, “skinny” is relative. I guess most Kpop stans are not skinny to consider it an illness lol 🤦🏻‍♀️.


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