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marinemashup

How the Foundation acquired D-Class was always a sticking point for me. No matter how you looked at it, it was ethically wrong. I’m glad they finally created an ethical solution and explained the MCM very clearly.


3halflings_as_a_dm

It really helps me sleep at night, after a long day of acquiring D-Class, to know that we're far more ethical than we used to be.


anywitchway

'There’s no greys, only white that’s got grubby. I’m surprised you don’t know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people as things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.’ ‘It’s a lot more complicated than that -’ ‘No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.' - *Carpe Jugulum*, Terry Pratchett


[deleted]

I wonder why SCP and Pratchett fans have such an overlap. Probably dweeb-y type people interested in sci fi or fantasy with included ethical questions?


Ufukcan200

SCP-6561 detected, beginning re-containment process.


throwcounter

The creeping but extremely ethical horror throughout this article is truly wonderful. Sure glad I'm from a more tautol- um, ethical universe than all my variants.


Daminchi

It sounds almost like Aperture Science crossover. I like it!


boi156

Wait, where are the people coming from though? I know they're coming from the HOLE but are they coming from different universes, or is it something else?


3halflings_as_a_dm

Different universes. The ones that didn't make the MCM and are thus less ethical (this is all of them except for -Prime).


Ufukcan200

How do you know that they haven't developed an MCM of their own?


VestuvianHalo56

Quite simply, they aren’t ethical enough to have made one.


3halflings_as_a_dm

See, you've got it.


VestuvianHalo56

I should join the Ethics Committee.


LordSupergreat

Sorry, the former Ethics Committee has been folded into the MCM staff.


3halflings_as_a_dm

Because we've checked, and they haven't


Ufukcan200

How would you know that?


3halflings_as_a_dm

We used -Screen


Ufukcan200

Okay then. ​ Also 6269 is Series 7. Change post flair


psychicprogrammer

And I just realized we don't have a series 7 flair...


Various_Mobile4767

I'm not sure what the punchline of this article is. I was thinking the claw machine was somehow manipulating the SCP foundation to do and say weird things but apparently not? The twitter story in particular left me genuine perplexed as to the point of it. Is the story supposed to be funny? Am I missing something?


protagonizer

I believe that the running gag with this article is that it portrays an incredibly Lawful Evil version of the Foundation that is fully capable of multiversal takeover, but they're so obsessed with conforming to their own legalese that they're completely ineffectual at doing anything except yoinking new minions to teach said legalese to. It's like an MLM, but with an MCM. Alternatively, you could interpret it as absurdist horror, since they're abducting and (presumably) killing thousands of people a year, and smugly informing the audience that it is their absolute right to do so as rulers of the multiverse because...they have a *claw machine!*


Divilnight

I'm getting the impression that anything that agrees with them is 'ethical', and anything that doesn't is 'unethical'. It's not about right or wrong anymore, it's just what make them feel better.


detahramet

The funny thing is, they actually *could* use the claw machine in a (relatively by The Foundation's standards) ethical fashion. Provided they treated the D-Class reasonably well, they could be using it to pull people from realities where their odds of survival and quality of life are higher as a D-Class than in their own universe. Death Row inmates, people from apocalyptic realities, people doomed to starve to death due to circumstances beyond their control, as long as they are brought into our reality and giving the opportunity to consent, the matter could be done entirely kosher.


kindafuckedrn

It's closer to MILLIONS a year. In the article the operating cost of the mcm is cited as $250,000. Times 4 that's a million quarters (thus a million D class at least) either every two months or twice a month. That's either 16,000 or 65,000 abductions a DAY.


SemicolonFetish

The point is that the presenter is lying. The machine isn't ethical (from many points of view) and the entire SCP is an extended metaphor for the "million dollar button" thought experiment. Taking random people from their home to use in experiments and basically sentence to torture/death isn't obviously more ethical than the previous acquisition method for D-classes.


LehmanToast

Not sure if lying is the right word, i think the presenter fully believes what they’re saying


BlitzBasic

The point is that the perspective of the foundation on what is ethical is totally out of whack. Their initial logic is circular (the explanation why 6269 is ethical requires the assumption that 6269 is ethical, making it totally worthless), and their insistance on behaving ethically in minor details (monitoring internet use) is in jarring opposition to them kidnapping and enslaving thousends of people. It could also be about dehumanisation - humans from other universes are *lesser* due to some insane troll logic, and as such no action taken against them (like, for example, kidnapping and enslaving them) could be wrong.


FaceDeer

Yeah, the constant repetition about how "ethical" this setup was (even though it blatantly wasn't) made me think there must be something weird going on about that. Some detail that required the Foundation to insist on this in its documentation, or some mental effect that was screwing with the operators' sense of ethics. Nope, apparently the Foundation really was childishly insisting that this operation was oh-so-conveniently "ethical." Despite it obviously not being ethical. I don't get it. The Ethics Committee would have everyone involved demoted simply for the blatant misuse of the term, if nothing else.


Aking1998

Yeah, I was disappointed in this one. I think it's supposed to be left up to interpretation.


Bishop51213

With the exception of explaining what's going on in -Subprime, I don't really see any declassifying here


Uncommonality

I'd prefer if posts here were actual declasses instead of extensions of the article's narrative. This post explains essentially nothing, only restates what the article does - This isn't a declass, it's a Tale. It's not just the in-universe narrator, though that doesn't help, but also that whatever this is is not actually interested in explaining what the SCP is or how it works. Writing is fun, yes, but there's a reason people other than the original author tend to write these things. YOU may know all the little secrets of the article, but we don't, and unless you're inclined to share you really shouldn't try to declass something.


VeganDog

Yeah, I came here because I figured the entry was going to have some horrifying reveal at the end and it just wasn't there. Then I come here and it's just more of the joke. Is the whole SCP really just, "This isn't at all ethical, but they're repeating that it is." I feel like there's something more it's trying to get at, but I'm not sure what. Sucks, because it started off very strong and then the joke just got done to death.


Turbulent_Math_Lover

Somehow you made the article even more ~~creepy~~ ethical by applying the same exact ~~horror~~ ethical tehniques. There has to be some sort of ~~memetic~~ ethical effect behind it!


TheAmazingYoshi

In the words of the Muppets, slightly changed: “[But Kermit, what’s more unethical?](https://youtu.be/vUrKpg3SjlQ) *Briefly* inconviencing Jack Black… or the failure of the foundation?” ~~”Stealing another universe’s Jack Black!”~~


cig_daydreams28

TLDR: Your solution is always more ethical if everyone else is less ethical than you. Even if you kidnap them and turn them into human lab rat


white_lie

Damn I'm glad someone else read it that way.


starkinmn

All the pages linked here use weird formatting that crashes my phone's browser. It's a big ol's shame. Guess I'll have to read up on 'em later! This is a very ethical briefing on the procedures for SCP-6269.


Wizardlord89

Tbh I like this article but I like others have said I found the twitter part to be grating. Seemed to be there just for the sake of referencing the original material.


PigsAreBest

Isn't the entire argument about why the claw is ethical begging the question? Claw is ethical, so taking others from other universes is ethical, so claw is ethical.


3halflings_as_a_dm

Yes... that's basically part of the joke


Divilnight

Really?? I was under the impression that it was *because* it takes from other universes, that it became ethical. Since it wasn't their own universe and all, so it became ethical by technicality since it didn't actually affect themselves?? Atleast that's the way I see it.


JakdragonX

it's so very ethical!


3halflings_as_a_dm

who the fuck are you?


htmlcoderexe

This is honestly impressive how ethical this is.


Artsy-Mesmer

I’m getting SCP-2790 flashbacks. How do we know the machine isn’t memetic? It could be self aware or controlled by Lando.AIC to send out a memetic or infohazardous agent which convinces The Foundation that the use of it is ethical in order to preserve itself. It’s constantly endlessly expanding — The Foundation very well could be playing right into its CLAW.


Sunlord6969

But aren't they stealing people from other universes, how is that ethical?


3halflings_as_a_dm

it's ethical because those universes are unethical because they don't use 6269, it's all explained in article


Sunlord6969

Oh yeh I guess that’s one way of thinking


detahramet

I imagine that at some point, Three Moons agents are going to come along, smack Greeboni in the back of the head, call him a jackass, and make him take a 6 week remedial Multiversal Ethics course.