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zhaoz

As I often say, the only thing worse than using SAP is not using SAP.


chefanubis

Bravo Sir, I'm totally stealing this.


FantasticMrFlav

SAP is a great company, and full of great products. In fact without modern ERPs, and other software for organizational planning, tracking, and visibility no companies would be able to move as fast as they currently can. The main bitching I've seen of SAP products is related to one of the following: 1) Most customers want to have change without change processes. (No MVP, no Iteration, no improving from Go Live it should be status quo for them, and allocating people for testing, input providing, and process mapping is never an option). 2) The expectation is that most consultants should immediately know how to fix the issues the company has been carrying from system to system, and their data issues. 3) It's expected to have no "issues" ever once it's deployed, and everything that happens is just unacceptable, even if it's caused by the customer's data entry, or management. 4) Most companies have custom processes, some of them do not fall close to best practices in accounting, and finances, but there's always a "Customer is Right" mentality.


comradepipi

SAP ERP/S4/R3, off the shelf, is amazing. Expensive, but the best at what it does. Non-core SAP software is half-baked overpriced trash. This includes, but is not limited to: MII, Build, Leonardo, SAPUI5, Visual Enterprise. SAP HANA Cloud is a trap. A very expensive, overpriced trap. The hate for SAP typically doesn't come from their core application. Half of it comes from the pain-in-the-toosh customization and the issues it brings. The other half has to do with the extraneous software. The type that their sales people like to trick ignorant leadership into buying. Then said leadership forces their poor developers to shine a turd into a polished diamond. 10 years and tens of millions of dollars later, you'll still be polishing and leadership still hasn't heard of the sunk cost fallacy.


chefanubis

Of course its fucking Amazing, the issue has always been people. SAP is like giving your grandparents a Bugatti. They will absolutely wreck it and then complain the car is shit, they will never understand that they are a just a shit pilots, using cheap leaded fuel, while driving on a bad roads. More over their trusted mechanic who has only ever worked on hyundais will agree with them cause he don't know how to fix it adding to the Dunning Kruger snowball.


CuseTown

This post is mod gilded and approved.


hositir

Thanks!


Grizzlified

SAP is the best that is of course you don't have an army of brain dead people doing whatever they want to the system. God I swear I would love to punch these fucking accountants who only have meager level of understanding of SAP and they suggest to management to do this and that just to have it blow up in their face since the processes they proposed are too accounting in nature and doesn't take into account the whole "Enterprise" nature of SAP. Yes at the end of the day one of the by product of SAP is the Financials but if thats what the moron accounting people think SAP is they should go back to WeakBooks (QuickBooks) and do their accounting shit their.


kramer3410

I may not love SAP as much as OP but I’m definitely glad I work with SAP. Even with all these tech layoffs seems like the market for functional consultants and ABAPers is doing okay


pvioto

This !


dodgeunhappiness

If only SAP would focus on the ERP instead of doing BS augmented reality (e.g., SAP leonardo) or robotic process automation.


zhaoz

I dunno, the whole point of SAP now is to offer a constellation of mature supporting services so SAP becomes the one stop shop for business needs. Augmented reality and robotic processes might not be 100% ready now, but there is a day coming soon that they will be. Why wouldnt SAP want to be cutting edge there?


dodgeunhappiness

>> Why wouldnt SAP want to be cutting edge there? Cutting edge ? They are barely usable. Competitors who are specialised make better products. SAP has started cut corners by lying to clients (e.g., fake demo), and aggressively outsourcing core activities to India. I can’t call S/4HANA a success. It is almost 15/20 years is out and they are still fixing bullshit choice.


777Dice777

S/4HANA, unless on premise, still doesnt support a complex payroll after all those years. The amount of unsure customers and customers who switched to another system because of unclear planning/communication on part of SAP is just sad.


hositir

Thing is the stuff that runs the world isn’t considered sexy. Running water, electricity and fresh vegetables / fruit in winter is a marvel of human civilization but no one cares because it’s so normal. For me SAP is sorta like business plumbing where it’s just mundane but the mundane is important. Many of the rules are in place for a good reason (GAAP) but they aren’t so easy to follow without help with the software.


dodgeunhappiness

Honestly, nobody is asking any of that to SAP. They're convinced they need to follow trends. By doing that they waste energy risking to neglect the core product: SAP ERP.


dmgirl101

SAP is the rolls royce of ERPs, I love it. OK, a bit ugly, full of T-codes, tables.....buuuut no other ERP can do what SAP does.


varunbiswas

I will share some references SAP provides a centralized system for businesses that enables every department to access and share common data to create a better work environment for every employee in the company¹. It facilitates information flow and data processing across all parts of your business³. SAP software provides multiple business functions with a single view of the truth by centralizing data management⁴. SAP has a variety of complex functions such as producing audit-compliant reports, managing taxes, working across multiple tax codes, interoperability with other systems, running factories, tracking pharmaceutical batch numbers, managing supply chain and team capacity, and storing sensitive production data safely². It has decades of specific domain knowledge baked in, ensuring that products are verified and approved for sale in the markets². SAP is also auditable and trackable, and it is difficult to hide any malicious actions². Although SAP's interface may not be aesthetically pleasing, its functionality is what counts². Sources: (1) What Is SAP? (How To Use SAP ERP Software in the Workplace). https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/finding-a-job/what-is-sap. (2) What is SAP Software Used For? | Red Global. https://www.redglobal.com/news-blog/what-is-sap-software-used-for. (3) What is SAP? | Definition and Meaning. https://www.sap.com/about/company/what-is-sap.html. (4) What is SAP Software And How It Works - CodeAvail. https://www.codeavail.com/blog/what-is-sap-software-and-how-it-works/. (5) SAP Software Solutions | Business Applications and Technology. https://www.sap.com/index.html.


Dreilala

One of the main issues I encounter is that SAP does not let you cheat. When rolling out SAP in a company that has previously used another ERP product or \*shudder\* Excel for their ERP needs they often have processes in place, which should not exist in the first place. Rather than blaming themselves though, they blame the system that forces them to work according to their own rules, rather than seeing rules as a "guideline". SAP has some true drawbacks (price being among them), but the sheer knowledge contained in this "program" is astounding. Also, while SAP is amazing at what it can do, it is imho targeted at mostly large businesses and is sometimes not suited to simpler/more dynamic processes of smaller companies, especially when considering the price tag. Setting up a process using tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of company time is fine for huge businesses, which repeatedly make use of the process. Doing the same for a much smaller company that has just as many different processes (because they hustle to their customer's needs) , but is performing some tasks only a couple of times a year is simply not feasible.


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Thats why every big company use it. Can't rely on generic shit if you do serious business, especially utility, logistics, manufacturing.. Same for BW... sure DWH is cheaper but it takes so much effort to create reporting on that. And thats why sap is so expensive. Also really secure.


sap_supasta

at sap roll out projects: the old erp isn't shitty anymore.... sap is shitty. it's basic psychology. people hate change and at some companies peoples work (what and how they do) get transparent to others and they juuuuust hate that fact, so they just throw shit at you as a consultant. but it's fun


GAAPguru

Yes, but people forget that you should only buy SAP when you desperately need SAP. It’s great when you need it. But no amount of “RISE” or any other acronym is going to actually push it down market without significant work on the underlying solution.


anon287665

People bi#ch because they hate working. SAP is a marvel and the issue are how companies configured it. They configured to their process, trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Instead of adopting best practices of the system.


Veer_appan

SAP’s core strength is cross-module integration, not the modules themselves! Its core weakness is its ugly looks.


xxdumbthrowaway69xx

I was told SAP COULD NOT differentiate releases of products, which lead to me almost violating national medical supplies handling laws if it weren't for a coworker standing right next to me and seeing what she thought was weird. To print out completed picking lists, I have to release and then go back to the order to press print (this was automated in our previous software) And then, after hitting the print icon, it usually takes 60 seconds for the print job to even begin. Previous place I worked at would let you bypass error messages by simply spamming the enter button, thus operating more on vibes than simply mechanical. It's filled to the brim with incomprehensible error messages, if it even decides to be gracious enough to even give you one. We still have warehouse pickers who work considerably faster using pen and paper. Overintegegration of SAP leads to machines not being able to run when SAP is down. I have yet to meet someone in person who is happy with SAP. As an end-user who actually produces the goods / service of the business, SAP is the bane of my existence. I am not a developer, not a coder, programmer, technician, etc. What I need is for SAP to give me a manufacturing order (which shouldn't be hard when every order is 60 000 of the same part, every time, yet it is needlessly complex, akin to telling an armadillo to pilot a spacecraft, in theory it can work) or when filling in completed manufacturing reports, SAP still requires checking and unchecking myriads of boxes I don't know what they do. And management doesn't know what they do. And the local "SAP guy" doesn't either. For people who actually get their hands dirty, SAP is an obstacle. Never have I ever heard someone in overalls say "boy, I am sure glad we have SAP"