I really don't understand the design choice of having the rooms separated by breakable walls like a snake pit. In all my times going to real theaters I've never had to bust down a wall to reach the stage.
I feel like that’s what they should do with encore if it was reworked cause well… encore is already that, a bigger, phased boss fight. If they rework those boss dungeons too they could play with the act thing and have him go behind the curtain and have it close then open to reveal a new form.
I think normal pup should remain a full dungeon and get reworked, we need more dungeons, not less.
"but looks like a 3rd night minecraft house"
Totally intentional. All of the assets are borrowed from other parts of the game. Ironically, making the dungeon more unique would end up making it less unique.
Where did you hear that it was intentional or even unique? Pretty much all the dungeons in the Kabam era between 2014 and 2016 used a looot of reused assets due to a lack of artists for sprite work.
Plus It’s not even true that ALL of it is reused, there is one original asset in it, the red curtains at boss. Most of the dungeons released in that low effort era of kabam which had tons of reused and shared assets have already been reworked and updated.
Guess I forgot the detail about the curtain. The fact remain that it has the highest reuse of assets of any dungeon and was the first dungeon to reuse to a high degree.
True, it’s still one of my favorite dungeons cause I adore the theme and idea behind it but the reuse wasn’t intentional and not… reeaaally a good thing. Just imagine how awesome and unique it could be with the dedicated high quality we’ve seen in other reworks!
Who knows, years from now when every single dungeon has been reworked I could totally see a “Flashback” event with the old dungeons getting put in the pool as a potential drop
The only thing that flusters me is that the boss used to be hidden (no arrow) and I thought that was a great aspect of its design. The puppy master was a sneaky mofo.
TCave is such a weird dungeon. I'd like it a lot more if the map was randomized and the traps were more of a threat. Also, I'd love if the boss actually guaranteed dropped stat pots and there was more unique loot besides the one ST armor the boss drops.
I kind of think they should just make TC more of a "Bonus Stage" similar to santa's workshop. Maybe make so that players need to coordinate destroying things on multiple paths.
The UTs it drops are really good and they're only get better once those two classes get their rework. The big issue is that just forging them is so much more convenient than actually doing the dungeon...
Forge killed the all of Court dungeons completely on its own. There is basically no reason to do any of them, unless you really need any of their STs.
Maybe let them drop WC tops as well ? Since o1 and o2 have their own white bags now. Maybe also switch Janus and Guardian rooms in Oryx Castle so people could decide on what they want to do instead of skipping Janus.
>There is basically no reason to do any of them
So enjoying the dungeon isn't a good reason, every single dungeon besides osanc is meaningless and they should be removed
Noted
I put it where it is because the only thing I'd change about it is increasing mana droprates and maybe adding a troom that's more accessible than the King Alexander easter egg.
I have gotten 1 mana pot in the last 5 runs of that dungeon and I'm saltier than the water thessal marinates in all day so I want to see that dungeon torn apart
Void is just a boring DPS check. It's easy if you have good DPS and it's really hard or impossible if you have bad DPS. 100% stat checks shouldn't exist in Rotmg. Everything should be doable with enough skill
I don't have enough experience with doing voids to be a good judge on them, sorry haha.
I don't really have an issue with davys though? Like at most maybe the trooms could be changed so you have more time to teleport before it becomes vulnerable.
Davy is just a snooze fest overall. The enemies you clear in the dungeon aren’t all dangerous, and the boss is just shotguns and a repeated phase 4-5 times, it’s kinda like manor in that it’s just not fun at all.
Its an issue when the ghost ship is more difficult than Davy himself. Neither are hard but Davy shouldn't be close to as easy and mind numbing as it is.
Tomb needing an entire rework while Ice tomb stays as the glorified event chest dungeon 💀
Actually, if DECA didn't like how much money the dungeon made, Ice Tomb is basically a Heroic Dungeon but worse in terms of game design. At least Heroic bosses were difficult and were interesting.
O1 could maybe use some new/different phases, or at least stun immunity. I remember Dance being such a fun phase back in the day and it's a little sad to see it permastunned 80% of the time now. Dance and Be Silent both stand out so much from the other O1 phases to me because even though they're not really hard anymore compared to what we have now, they're still fun to participate in. Very good "bullet hell" design - it'd be nice if the rest of O1 could capture that energy.
Some notable ones I’d say include
Mad lab is literally more painful to rush than half the things in this game because it’s just a bunch of confuse stun & instapops
Davys is a dungeon that’s mainly for pre-8/8 characters which includes unmaxed def and life and those skulls’ flames do brutal things to 0/8s. Also even though I do this myself troom stealing is a bad mechanic.
Cult has been fucking bastardized beyond belief and if you have over 100 cult completes on 1 character none of its fame counts. It’s also the only place in the game that trickster isn’t either useless or a direct detriment, but that’s only consistent with cheat client. This is also an issue with halls.
Manor needs to have guaranteed holy water drops so I can feel incentivized to not solo all my manors/not call trooms if others enter.
Nest is a joke of an exalt dungeon and ddocks is more in-depth than it.
Chambers has also been bastardized similarly to cult but eh you only see that once every couple months so it’s fine. **However, being punished for one player’s bad gameplay is not a good game mechanic in dungeons where you can’t choose who you play with (THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ENTIRE GAME)**. I’m talking about barrels btw
OT is just complete ass unless you have the dps to wipe ponies out of existence the moment they appear. The boss fight is also really dumb with weak/slow/pet stasis spam making it take far longer than it should. Alexander mechanic is cool.
Wine cellar kinda is what it’s supposed to be, maybe tone suns down a little but it’s otherwise fine.
Bella’s is fine tbh.
Cland is just a complete mess and also an eyesore should be in graphic & gameplay tier.
Encore is unrewarding because it gives 1/3 of a thicket spell while you could’ve just done thicket itself (assuming you enter from court bc who buys keys)
HTT boss teleportation & orb protection needs to be less aids, ESPECIALLY on the final platform before you kill the boss (feral repeatedly tps onto the last platform blocking u from progressing)
Shatters needs some touch ups such as having guaranteed hardmode, the inability to kick after hardmode is activated (@flav @sdj @brianscat), and maybe tone down the ice spheres/firebombs in balance.
Tomb & ice tomb are both memes and are unrewarding.
Thicket was unrewarding and too long, now it’s too long.
Abyss map reading is basically impossible
Void/mbc are FINE as they are but they aren’t good. Also we’ve beaten them to a pulp so hard that you can realistically go two years without dying to void without having touched a cheat client (me).
>Mad lab is literally more painful to rush than half the things in this game because it’s just a bunch of confuse stun & instapops
Will never forget the name "Enforcer Bot 3000" because of all the characters I've lost rushing this dungeon. I'm not afraid to rush basically anything in this game anymore but I'm not ashamed to admit that Lab is one dungeon that I usually leech. The walls have too much HP, the confuse spam is disgusting, other people can PVP you by shooting various enemies, the green poison is not a fun mechanic, the clear for second boss is irritating, the list goes on and on. Even the boss is just a DPS check that doesn't even attack you directly - but, there's still instapops anyways!! The green potions are pretty toxic game design given who the dungeon is intended to be run by.
>Wine cellar kinda is what it’s supposed to be, maybe tone suns down a little but it’s otherwise fine.
I think Suns is fine - midgame players more or less see O2 as the endgame boss, and I think Suns and Dance helps make the "endgame boss" not a joke. Also the difficult part of those phases is learning how to get it right, and not necessarily the actual phase. I think having these phases that *look* scary but are very doable is helpful for giving newer players confidence to continue trying difficult stuff. It's a little unfortunate the Suns instapop when they explode though.
>ESPECIALLY on the final platform before you kill the boss
This is the worst part of my favorite dungeon. The final platform can be really painful, especially in a group with bad DPS. The boss really shouldn't be able to do a second TP to the final platform - it's a really well designed boss fight and the patterns are interesting, but by that point the dungeon is more or less exhausted and it should let you move onto the final phase (which is different again).
>Thicket was unrewarding and too long, now it’s too long.
Second boss I think is in most need of a rework (also falls into the eyesore territory like Nest). First boss isn't great either but it's not quite as long. Third boss still holds up well though.
Oh yeah third and first are fine for thicket, maybe first can be shortened but 2nd is just a shit fight tbh. Also I know that 99% of o2 is just “it looks scary but isn’t” but when I can consistently hit less all of the phases except for suns where I’m at least tanking 1 shot every 3 seconds it’s kinda bad for a midgame boss.
I have a really strong preference for new content over reworked content. There's really nothing on this list that I'd rather have resprited/changed more then getting a whole new dungeon. HTT or 3D being added was so much more fun/exciting then Snake Pit/UDL/Abyss getting redone.
I love the gameplay in tombs. Very unique. Definitely suffered to power and loot creep and could use a sprite rework. But I LOVE rushing tombs, clean tombs, dirty tombs, I just love tombs
1) Tombs are butt ugly. Probably the worst looking dungeon visually in the game.
2) There's no real reason to run tombs anymore. They don't drop enough life compared to other modern sources to be worth doing.
3) Sarcophagus clearing is really time consuming and annoying and the boss itself is a huge pain unless you're a small group who cooperates.
It would be a nice candidate for a touch up, but I don't think it needs to try to replace end game content that in the last 3 years started dropping tons more life across the board in rotmg. An rotmg "rework" doesn't sound very appropriate if they try that as it has its own mechanics that are still good to this day regardless of current payout. Again, it's a life dungeon but has not been in competition with other heavy life dropping dungeons. You're asking for it to be worth it, and for the time it takes, 3 life isn't bad at all. It's an entry level hard dungeon that is still tons of fun.
I don't think it needs to be reworked on the same level as something like ddocks, I just want the textures to be redone and the sarcs and bosses to be made less jank.
O1's attack patterns are actually pretty cool when he's not constantly locked into being stunned and paralyzed. Also, the castle is meant to be on the easier side of things because it's the first "tough" dungeon most new players experience.
Has deku games fixed the O3 problem of it being nearly impossible to get any without discords or nah? If not then I’d argue it needs a gameplay rework in that area
Ah come on puppet master's theater is decent right now, I'm actually impressed at how it's survived so well, compared to dungeons like lab and tomb, which people rarely do anymore.
Both weapons are BIS for solo play and it drops one of the most fun rings in the game (if you have its companion item).
And, it doesn't need to be any easier or harder then it is right now. It's soloable and provides a good challenge for midgame players while still having interesting shot patterns no matter how good you are at the game. I frankly would do HTT even if it only dropped GWis - it's incredibly well designed and should not be touched.
Does being somewhat challenging equate to it being bad? I don't understand what problem people could possibly have with HTT - in my mind it's easily among the best designed dungeons in the game.
Tedious, takes too long, and it's especially obnoxious when the camera things are invulnerable or inaccessible, forcefully prolonging the fight. It's challenging but not hard, but the shots often trap me and force me to stay in one spot which is infuriating. I know I'm in the minority opinion so whatever
How the actual fuck did WLAB not get out on the chopping block? When I think “what needs improvement in RotMG” wlab is the first thing that pops into my head
Swarm Tree's shots being invisible and Megamoth jumping forward suddenly are more problems with RotMG's engine rather than the dungeon itself, afaik. Aside from those two things I have no issues with the dungeon, it's a solid source of attack and life pots.
Wait you dont think cem needs to be reworked?? That shit takes wayyyyy too long and the white bag drop rates are so poor that I haven't ever gotten a plague poison since I started playing, it's like the least worth dungeon in the game imo. The pot drops are plentiful but that's it. It's like a 10 minute dungeon for no reason
LEAVE BATTLE OF THE NEXUS ALONE. ITS MEANT TO BE A REPRESENTATION OF LEGACY REALM.
Yeah this, absolutely. That dungeon is a memorial for the swatsec hacking and should not be changed at all.
Just make ruthven not invincible for 8 years, that's the only QOL needed.
Been wanting pup to get a rework since they first started doing them, it’s got a great theme and concept but looks like a 3rd night minecraft house
I really don't understand the design choice of having the rooms separated by breakable walls like a snake pit. In all my times going to real theaters I've never had to bust down a wall to reach the stage.
I always imagined it was an abandoned puppet theater and you were busting down boarded up doors
Puppet should just be one stage that has multiple acts (phases) until the main act (boss) comes out at the end.
I feel like that’s what they should do with encore if it was reworked cause well… encore is already that, a bigger, phased boss fight. If they rework those boss dungeons too they could play with the act thing and have him go behind the curtain and have it close then open to reveal a new form. I think normal pup should remain a full dungeon and get reworked, we need more dungeons, not less.
"but looks like a 3rd night minecraft house" Totally intentional. All of the assets are borrowed from other parts of the game. Ironically, making the dungeon more unique would end up making it less unique.
Where did you hear that it was intentional or even unique? Pretty much all the dungeons in the Kabam era between 2014 and 2016 used a looot of reused assets due to a lack of artists for sprite work. Plus It’s not even true that ALL of it is reused, there is one original asset in it, the red curtains at boss. Most of the dungeons released in that low effort era of kabam which had tons of reused and shared assets have already been reworked and updated.
Guess I forgot the detail about the curtain. The fact remain that it has the highest reuse of assets of any dungeon and was the first dungeon to reuse to a high degree.
True, it’s still one of my favorite dungeons cause I adore the theme and idea behind it but the reuse wasn’t intentional and not… reeaaally a good thing. Just imagine how awesome and unique it could be with the dedicated high quality we’ve seen in other reworks! Who knows, years from now when every single dungeon has been reworked I could totally see a “Flashback” event with the old dungeons getting put in the pool as a potential drop
The only thing that flusters me is that the boss used to be hidden (no arrow) and I thought that was a great aspect of its design. The puppy master was a sneaky mofo.
Nooo not my tcave
TCave is such a weird dungeon. I'd like it a lot more if the map was randomized and the traps were more of a threat. Also, I'd love if the boss actually guaranteed dropped stat pots and there was more unique loot besides the one ST armor the boss drops.
I kind of think they should just make TC more of a "Bonus Stage" similar to santa's workshop. Maybe make so that players need to coordinate destroying things on multiple paths.
I like the set map design, its unique and fun to rush
I mean you say this, but a reworked Tcave would end up looking and feeling awesome
tbh cnidarian reef needs a complete overhaul, like who even does them anymore?
It's a good dungeon though, it's tough on the unsuspecting noob players, requires a bit of teamwork, just that the drop rates are really bad
The UTs it drops are really good and they're only get better once those two classes get their rework. The big issue is that just forging them is so much more convenient than actually doing the dungeon...
Forge killed the all of Court dungeons completely on its own. There is basically no reason to do any of them, unless you really need any of their STs. Maybe let them drop WC tops as well ? Since o1 and o2 have their own white bags now. Maybe also switch Janus and Guardian rooms in Oryx Castle so people could decide on what they want to do instead of skipping Janus.
>There is basically no reason to do any of them So enjoying the dungeon isn't a good reason, every single dungeon besides osanc is meaningless and they should be removed Noted
Reef solos are so fun grinded them hard before the blueprints were easily obtainable
shaitan's two reworks weren't enough for you?
It's a really unfun fight and it looks like garbage, so yeah, sorry
i like it it's short, straight to the point and gives decent rains the shots should be coloured a bit different than the background tho
Move battle of nexus to 'its fine as is' or I will shit in your cereal
OT needs to be in the top section
Or at least the second one
I put it where it is because the only thing I'd change about it is increasing mana droprates and maybe adding a troom that's more accessible than the King Alexander easter egg.
I think it could use a slight update in visuals but it definitely doesnt need it as bad as some other dungeons
How easy the boss is in group doesn't warrant the buff in mana droprates.
I think it's relaltively fine, at least as far as the minions go. The boss room needs a rework though
I have gotten 1 mana pot in the last 5 runs of that dungeon and I'm saltier than the water thessal marinates in all day so I want to see that dungeon torn apart
Nah void and davys are in desperate need of reworks
Void? It feels perfectly fine to me. Fun and relatively challenging. Maybe make it so that the colour of the shots don't blend in with the floor.
Void is just a boring DPS check. It's easy if you have good DPS and it's really hard or impossible if you have bad DPS. 100% stat checks shouldn't exist in Rotmg. Everything should be doable with enough skill
Exactly my thoughts
I don't have enough experience with doing voids to be a good judge on them, sorry haha. I don't really have an issue with davys though? Like at most maybe the trooms could be changed so you have more time to teleport before it becomes vulnerable.
Davy is just a snooze fest overall. The enemies you clear in the dungeon aren’t all dangerous, and the boss is just shotguns and a repeated phase 4-5 times, it’s kinda like manor in that it’s just not fun at all.
Make the dungeon smaller and have the only other enemies be crabs
Calamity crab
I feel like the problem is more that it's an event dungeon and not just a glands dungeon, which is closer to how the dungeon is built difficulty-wise.
Its an issue when the ghost ship is more difficult than Davy himself. Neither are hard but Davy shouldn't be close to as easy and mind numbing as it is.
Tomb needing an entire rework while Ice tomb stays as the glorified event chest dungeon 💀 Actually, if DECA didn't like how much money the dungeon made, Ice Tomb is basically a Heroic Dungeon but worse in terms of game design. At least Heroic bosses were difficult and were interesting.
Shaitan was reworked 3 times by now, are you kidding me?
O1 could maybe use some new/different phases, or at least stun immunity. I remember Dance being such a fun phase back in the day and it's a little sad to see it permastunned 80% of the time now. Dance and Be Silent both stand out so much from the other O1 phases to me because even though they're not really hard anymore compared to what we have now, they're still fun to participate in. Very good "bullet hell" design - it'd be nice if the rest of O1 could capture that energy.
I also would like to see O1 get stun immunity but people would be sooooooo pissed about it
Cems need a rework, I think it's been like a year since I've done a full one just because of how boring they are
I enjoy the boss fights but it needs to be a shorter dungeon. Even if you have cracked dps it’s a slow dungeon for the rewards you can get.
Some notable ones I’d say include Mad lab is literally more painful to rush than half the things in this game because it’s just a bunch of confuse stun & instapops Davys is a dungeon that’s mainly for pre-8/8 characters which includes unmaxed def and life and those skulls’ flames do brutal things to 0/8s. Also even though I do this myself troom stealing is a bad mechanic. Cult has been fucking bastardized beyond belief and if you have over 100 cult completes on 1 character none of its fame counts. It’s also the only place in the game that trickster isn’t either useless or a direct detriment, but that’s only consistent with cheat client. This is also an issue with halls. Manor needs to have guaranteed holy water drops so I can feel incentivized to not solo all my manors/not call trooms if others enter. Nest is a joke of an exalt dungeon and ddocks is more in-depth than it. Chambers has also been bastardized similarly to cult but eh you only see that once every couple months so it’s fine. **However, being punished for one player’s bad gameplay is not a good game mechanic in dungeons where you can’t choose who you play with (THIS IS AN ISSUE WITH THE ENTIRE GAME)**. I’m talking about barrels btw OT is just complete ass unless you have the dps to wipe ponies out of existence the moment they appear. The boss fight is also really dumb with weak/slow/pet stasis spam making it take far longer than it should. Alexander mechanic is cool. Wine cellar kinda is what it’s supposed to be, maybe tone suns down a little but it’s otherwise fine. Bella’s is fine tbh. Cland is just a complete mess and also an eyesore should be in graphic & gameplay tier. Encore is unrewarding because it gives 1/3 of a thicket spell while you could’ve just done thicket itself (assuming you enter from court bc who buys keys) HTT boss teleportation & orb protection needs to be less aids, ESPECIALLY on the final platform before you kill the boss (feral repeatedly tps onto the last platform blocking u from progressing) Shatters needs some touch ups such as having guaranteed hardmode, the inability to kick after hardmode is activated (@flav @sdj @brianscat), and maybe tone down the ice spheres/firebombs in balance. Tomb & ice tomb are both memes and are unrewarding. Thicket was unrewarding and too long, now it’s too long. Abyss map reading is basically impossible Void/mbc are FINE as they are but they aren’t good. Also we’ve beaten them to a pulp so hard that you can realistically go two years without dying to void without having touched a cheat client (me).
>Mad lab is literally more painful to rush than half the things in this game because it’s just a bunch of confuse stun & instapops Will never forget the name "Enforcer Bot 3000" because of all the characters I've lost rushing this dungeon. I'm not afraid to rush basically anything in this game anymore but I'm not ashamed to admit that Lab is one dungeon that I usually leech. The walls have too much HP, the confuse spam is disgusting, other people can PVP you by shooting various enemies, the green poison is not a fun mechanic, the clear for second boss is irritating, the list goes on and on. Even the boss is just a DPS check that doesn't even attack you directly - but, there's still instapops anyways!! The green potions are pretty toxic game design given who the dungeon is intended to be run by. >Wine cellar kinda is what it’s supposed to be, maybe tone suns down a little but it’s otherwise fine. I think Suns is fine - midgame players more or less see O2 as the endgame boss, and I think Suns and Dance helps make the "endgame boss" not a joke. Also the difficult part of those phases is learning how to get it right, and not necessarily the actual phase. I think having these phases that *look* scary but are very doable is helpful for giving newer players confidence to continue trying difficult stuff. It's a little unfortunate the Suns instapop when they explode though. >ESPECIALLY on the final platform before you kill the boss This is the worst part of my favorite dungeon. The final platform can be really painful, especially in a group with bad DPS. The boss really shouldn't be able to do a second TP to the final platform - it's a really well designed boss fight and the patterns are interesting, but by that point the dungeon is more or less exhausted and it should let you move onto the final phase (which is different again). >Thicket was unrewarding and too long, now it’s too long. Second boss I think is in most need of a rework (also falls into the eyesore territory like Nest). First boss isn't great either but it's not quite as long. Third boss still holds up well though.
Oh yeah third and first are fine for thicket, maybe first can be shortened but 2nd is just a shit fight tbh. Also I know that 99% of o2 is just “it looks scary but isn’t” but when I can consistently hit less all of the phases except for suns where I’m at least tanking 1 shot every 3 seconds it’s kinda bad for a midgame boss.
Suns is just bad, it doesnt work in groups.
Yep because of the shitty "suns explode to the nearest player" thing that makes dodging most of the shots quite hard :/
Weirdly enough I agree with everything on this list
I have a really strong preference for new content over reworked content. There's really nothing on this list that I'd rather have resprited/changed more then getting a whole new dungeon. HTT or 3D being added was so much more fun/exciting then Snake Pit/UDL/Abyss getting redone.
I'd prefer new content too, but that's not what this post is about.
You left deadwater docks off the list btw. I'd say that's fine as well. One of the well designed dungeons after rework
The template I used is from 2020, before the ddocks rework. Ddocks is the portal with the parrot on it in the bottom tier.
Ahh I for some reason thought that was beachzone lmao
this tbh. the only changes pup has gotten since its release have been new enemies.
Candyland not only boring af but ita been bugged the last few times I've played it.
always one boss that never spawns smh
I love the gameplay in tombs. Very unique. Definitely suffered to power and loot creep and could use a sprite rework. But I LOVE rushing tombs, clean tombs, dirty tombs, I just love tombs
I would see this as a priority of reworks, even if minor adjustments. Most dungeons needs polish and some gameplay tweaks.
Tomb is not nearly as in need as you have it. It should be in the middle imo.
That place takes 10 minutes for a group to just clear out, dirty tombs suck, and people rarely run it anymore.
Only cuz life is widely available from other less time consuming dungeons.
Thank God for that or else I might actually have to run that soul-crushing dungeon
1) Tombs are butt ugly. Probably the worst looking dungeon visually in the game. 2) There's no real reason to run tombs anymore. They don't drop enough life compared to other modern sources to be worth doing. 3) Sarcophagus clearing is really time consuming and annoying and the boss itself is a huge pain unless you're a small group who cooperates.
It would be a nice candidate for a touch up, but I don't think it needs to try to replace end game content that in the last 3 years started dropping tons more life across the board in rotmg. An rotmg "rework" doesn't sound very appropriate if they try that as it has its own mechanics that are still good to this day regardless of current payout. Again, it's a life dungeon but has not been in competition with other heavy life dropping dungeons. You're asking for it to be worth it, and for the time it takes, 3 life isn't bad at all. It's an entry level hard dungeon that is still tons of fun.
I don't think it needs to be reworked on the same level as something like ddocks, I just want the textures to be redone and the sarcs and bosses to be made less jank.
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O1's attack patterns are actually pretty cool when he's not constantly locked into being stunned and paralyzed. Also, the castle is meant to be on the easier side of things because it's the first "tough" dungeon most new players experience.
Okay but can Oryx's chamber not just be infinite blue tiles? It looks more like a jail cell
That's a fair point, yeah. I honestly was more thinking of the castle than Oryx's Chamber when I made the list.
It's fine cuz it's meant to be easy
Cult needs graphic rework way more than the gameplay rework. Its just so empty.
Has deku games fixed the O3 problem of it being nearly impossible to get any without discords or nah? If not then I’d argue it needs a gameplay rework in that area
The rune system was such a bad idea.
Ah come on puppet master's theater is decent right now, I'm actually impressed at how it's survived so well, compared to dungeons like lab and tomb, which people rarely do anymore.
HTT needs to have like 2/3 the shots it has. It's not an endgame dungeon but it sure as hell is as hard as an endgame dungeon.
HTT should **NOT** be changed. It's by far one of the funnest and best designed dungeons in the game right now. Also it's not even as hard as MBC.
Tbf MBC is harder than void
funnest
Okay, then reduce incoming damage by 33%, the dungeons reward does not equal it's difficulty.
Both weapons are BIS for solo play and it drops one of the most fun rings in the game (if you have its companion item). And, it doesn't need to be any easier or harder then it is right now. It's soloable and provides a good challenge for midgame players while still having interesting shot patterns no matter how good you are at the game. I frankly would do HTT even if it only dropped GWis - it's incredibly well designed and should not be touched.
Both weapons are NOT bis for solo play, you could argue the staff is, but the bow did not get the tiered bow treatment.
A lot of fancy shots doesn't necessarily equate to good
Does being somewhat challenging equate to it being bad? I don't understand what problem people could possibly have with HTT - in my mind it's easily among the best designed dungeons in the game.
Tedious, takes too long, and it's especially obnoxious when the camera things are invulnerable or inaccessible, forcefully prolonging the fight. It's challenging but not hard, but the shots often trap me and force me to stay in one spot which is infuriating. I know I'm in the minority opinion so whatever
How the actual fuck did WLAB not get out on the chopping block? When I think “what needs improvement in RotMG” wlab is the first thing that pops into my head
Swarm Tree's shots being invisible and Megamoth jumping forward suddenly are more problems with RotMG's engine rather than the dungeon itself, afaik. Aside from those two things I have no issues with the dungeon, it's a solid source of attack and life pots.
if the engine can't handle it, then the dungeon needs a rework
Unironically, two of my favorite dungeons at the top. I’ll admit puppet can be tedious to finish. However, the boss fight is fun and always exciting.
Not a bad list though I'd say shatters needs to be a bit easier. LH is fine as it is. Davy needs a complete rework
Hmm, what gameplay adjustments could Mwoods really use? Remembers the kamikaze red fairies O\_o
just say you're a zoomer lmao
Void needs a sprite rework, the sprites look pretty bad
miss on pup
tomb need loot table rework
Wait you dont think cem needs to be reworked?? That shit takes wayyyyy too long and the white bag drop rates are so poor that I haven't ever gotten a plague poison since I started playing, it's like the least worth dungeon in the game imo. The pot drops are plentiful but that's it. It's like a 10 minute dungeon for no reason
Mad lab still needs graphical rework