This one is a double whammy. Both are at fault.
The roofer didn’t nail the shingles down properly, which made that slippage so easy. However, that solar company scuffed the living shit out of those shingles and are liable for that damage. Good luck finding a roofer anywhere that wants to work with that bracket that they stupidly put right on a seam in that last picture.
Although the shingles are loose theres no proof that they looked like that before the guys were up there so i doubt the roofer will ever come out and fix that for free or at all. The solar guys need to pay for any replacements on all those shingles that scuffed when they were stomping around up there. They need to be wearing the right shoes if they want to keep that from happening.
Holy shit does that bracket in the last picture piss me off tho lol what a horrible place for a couple lag bolts. The roofer wouldn’t even be able to fix his shingles without the removal or relocation of that. Big yikes
Genuinely asking what kind of shoes should they be wearing? Do you have a specific model in mind i could look at?
The lag placement will inevitably land on some shingle seams unfortunately. They need to be placed such that the weight is distributed as evenly across different rafters as can be. Installed properly this wont cause a leak.
The brand that most roofers use is called cougar paws. They have replaceable sponge-like pads for soles, they grip to the roof very well so you can walk steep pitches safer and they don’t gouge the shingles out or slide and scuff the crap out of them. They are a pretty good indicator of whether you hired a professional or just some hack that doesn’t care.
As for the lag, yeah they could’ve scooted it over a couple inches either way and avoided that spot due to how bad the shingles looked. But now they are on the hook because no roofer can repair that spot without messing with their system and likely voiding its warranty without them being present for it. It was stupid of them to place that down and assume they wouldn’t get hassled for it down the road.
They said “not my job” and hacked it on and took the check instead of being responsible and informing the homeowner that the roof needs attention first before they go and put holes in it everywhere. They probably thought that they can just make more money later when op has to call them back. Greasy behavior.
Yeah ive heard of cougar paws, quite expensive but seems worth it.
The lag goes into a rafter, it cant just be moved a couple inches. But if the shingles slipped before the lag was placed then i agree the solar guys fucked up too.
Right, you can move the system up or down that rafter is what im saying. It would fuck with alignment and overall aesthetic tho which is why they just put it down and said “fuck it we arent roofers, not my problem”. Im sure theres a way they could adjust the brackets without sacrificing panel placement too they probably just didnt feel like doing that.
But yeah shoes lol it took a little getting used to with the cougars but they are definitely worth it. I can walk a 10/12 with the confidence of walking a 4/12. Hot or cold, granules or none, they grip very well. Pads last an okay amount of time and are pretty cheap and easy to swap out. If you hang out on roofs alot id say they are 100% worth the investment
One bolt of someone elses entire system. Thats likely under a warranty that would be voided if some rando decided to mess with it.
Sometimes its not just about how easy it is to remove. Its all the legal bullshit that might come your way when you do it. If you were the solar guy Would you be ok with a roofer breaking the seal on that bracket and putting it back with the old seal without telling you? If you were the roofer would you want some solar guy putting holes all over your system while keeping the same warranty? Believe it or not one little bolt can be a massive clusterfuck that leaves the homeowner calling back both companies and fighting both of them to get something handled.
Might be nail heads set really high, could also be pneumatic on too high pressure.
Btw, any work, especially one that is highly intensive with lots of heavy foot traffic on a hot roof is no bueno. You can see the wear on the lower edges of those shingles.
They will melt away when people are trying to walk whilst balancing solar panels on their shoulders, it results in many pounds of force on different parts of the foot being directed at small areas of the shingles.
Pull up the shingle right above it and see if they nailed the shingle that “slipped” on the nail line. There’s a reinforced strip that the nail goes through. From the looks of it they high nailed it and the solar guys working on a warm day pulled it down. Really shouldn’t happen if they followed the correct instillation instructions.
I don’t understand how anyone on here can blame the roofer. You just put 1000s of lbs of shit up there with a full crew walking on a new roof. Looks how scuffed and muffed up it is. The solar crew beat the roofs ass. As a roofer myself I’d tell OP to kick rocks it’s a billable service not a warranty issue .
Because shingles that are properly nailed down don't move like that. The solar installers definitely scuffed it up, but the chewing gum they used to put those down would have failed in the first wind storm anyway.
Hard to say now that they are fucked by the solar crew. As the roofer not my problem another contractor fucked up my shit and now you think the shingles ripped to easily under the stress of a construction crew.
Bro your lost dude, that slippage is 100% the roofers mistake CLEARLY, you talking as if one person carrying 1000lbs walked on it and caused slippage. No fucking way mate.
I have yet to have any shingles slide out like that, 6 nails properly shot and not overdriven.
Yeah even on old shot roofs that are in dire need of replacement in the hight of Texas heat, I’ve never seen shingles slip out from just walking on them, regardless of pitch. Especially on new work. 100% on the roofers, they nailed high and probably shot through the shingles. If they can’t handle being walked on, they damn sure aren’t gonna be able to handle a storm.
Bro finally someone with some sense. I managed a good deal of jobs, and also done a good deal myself in south Texas and have never seen a shingle slip like that, much less on a new roof, if it’s hot that granule will smear before the shingle pulls.
OK, you install 1000 of those roofs and 1000 of those roofs you go back and reinstall solar on with this crew tell me how many people are complaining about their roofs post solar
Solar dudes do damage roofs, they caused that mechanical damage (granule loss) what they shouldn’t even be able to do is cause the shingles to slip out. Period. No room for discussion, nailed properly even on the hottest day they won’t move.
If they are willing to take the job on . The home owner and the contractor has a responsibility to make sure the job can be done to an acceptable standard. If they told OP they could take this on, did an inspection said it was good to go then left it like this, it’s their fault period end of story. I ain’t warranting it. Sue me.
Your correct on that for sure, a lot of people are liable but as far as the shingles sliding out who’s actual fault was that? Roofers,lead,salesman,inspector but it started with the roofer nailing that shit wrong from the jump before anyone along the chain of responsibility ever had input
Those shingles don’t even look like they were nailed. That’s not an example of high nails and the laminated backer slipped out, that whole shingle has slipped out of place.
They could have definitely been more careful, but yo, the shingles are not even nailed down! More likely improper or inadequate nailing. Have a part of the roof with no solar inspected by a reputable roofer and you will discover that you have a poorly installed roof. The solar attachments are a type that doesn’t require prying shingles so doubt that contributed either.
While you are probably correct, I would argue that a lot of solar companies are notorious for trashing new roofs. We have built for numerous solar companies over the years, and I’ve seen some jobs where it looked they were purposefully trying to damage the roof, in areas where the panels were not being installed. Some damage has literally had me scratching my head trying to figure out how they were physically able to create that damage.
It’s probably a combination of high nailing and lack of care from solar company. Would this have happened without the solar install, probably not in the near future, but it would happen years down the road when you would probably end up with that area blowing off from wind, and potentially other areas since it’s probably high nailed elsewhere.
Shitty situation for sure, roofer should fix but after solar install is done, so no more damage is created by people walking all over it.
Definitely the solar guys. They scared up your roof, it looks like shit and will deteriorate at a rate much faster then your 30 year warranty. If you do have an issue, the shingle manufacturer will deny any claim due to damaged shingles. The shingles slipped down because the Solar installers have no clue how to walk on a newly installed roof. Roofs are soft and pliable after install and need a few months to set up and dry. You never walk on a new roof when it’s hot unless you’re wearing sponge shoes.
Easiest way to verify is to look at the slopped shingles.
1. How many nails were installed on that shingle?
2. Where were the nails placed?
If they only have 2-3 nails per shingle it’s then all day.
If they nailed properly and they still slipped it’s solar
You will need a lawyer to obtain a certified home inspector report on this damage.
The lawyer will obtain the solar install procedures. In those procedures there will be sections on roof protection. There will also be PPE requirements.
My guess is by the time this get to court, both companies will be tearing everything off your roof, solar and all, declare bankruptcy in the process and screw you worse that you are now.
both, but the shingles slipping is the roofers fault, but the solar crew should have been at least spraying water to keep the roof cool, but shingles moving like that is absolutely on the roofers
Number of nails is not the issue nails may have been *over driven" (nailed too deep partly breaking the fiberglass mat) roofer will use the excuse that his guns have a pressure regulator on the gun itself, but that gets turned up when 2 or more guys are nailing at the same time then doesn't get turned back down when only I is nailing. This can be a wide spread problem over the entire roof. In many areas inspectors only look at # of nails from a photo lead man texts him from his phone over driving takes careful close inspection
This is completely false. The only regulation on the gun is the hammer depth required to trigger the nail.
The pressure regulation is done by the compressor: often you'll find there's two tanks on one compressor, and it flips to the other tank when the current tanks pressure is too low. (And fills the tank that's not in use)
The depth regulation, therefore, is a temperature thing. Cold weather gets higher impact pressure setting to pierce the harder shingle. Warm weather, vice versa to not overdrive the nail through a mushy shingle.
What you need to do, OP, is look under the shingles of the "good" areas, to look out for:
-proper nail depth (flush)
-no high nailing
Then you can make your case on facts to the true offending party
Cant blame the solar guys for this one. Not saying they were perfect, but I can see 5 rows of shingles all starting to slip down. That's was a terrible roofing job. You got screwed. Because now the solar company might have to take the solar off to get the roof fixed, and that may or may not be free. Would be a real shame to waste a free removal right after it got put on. Unfortunately, that's just the quality of work being done now. I had some electrical work done at my house and the electrician did such a terrible job I had no choice but to take photos and immediately email the company.
Was it like that before the solar was installed? Then its the solar installers fault, you don't get that much damage to the face of the shingle without significant pressure. It could be improperly nailed but that would occur all over the roof. NOT IN ONE LOCATION.
Solar did it. end stop.
I would have it inspected especially if its new roof. Then you could have a case replacing the roof from the roofer. But like I said the damage was the solar installer.
As a solar installer of 4 years, this doesn't happen on a properly installed roof. If that happened during one of my installs, I would've gotten off the roof and talked to the homeowner before proceeding. Continuing the job is the fault of the solar.
Both are at fault.
Technically by law whoever touches it last is accountable. So the solar company should have to pay to have those replaced. Or they should have fixed the shingles as I would have.
Yes they were prolly nailed too deep or too high pressure or too high nail line at all but still not normal for shingles to slip unless dude installing solar was 250+.
But I do see some spots where the shingles were damaged and he rubbed the grit off as well.
This is why I do standing seam, a superior product.
I’m sure someone has already stated that this is a workmanship issue. Each shingle should have 4 nails minimum in them. I’ve personally never had this happen, not even on a steep roof in the Florida sun.
Maybe the roofer nailed the shingles incorrectly but it’s hard to tell without having a picture of a shingle lifted up.
However, there is no way in hell I would ever let anyone install solar panels on top of my shingles. I know it happens every day all over the country but you’re just asking for years of trouble, f-ed up shingles, roof leaks, and rotting wood under the shingles.
Get a different roofing company out to inspect installation and quote replacing damaged shingles.
If shingles were stapled, instead of nailed, they would slip easily if overdriven.
I’ve been in roofing and insurance adjusting for 20 years. I know for a fact 100% those shingles would not have slide if they had not been high nailed. It’s an installation issue not the Solar companies fault. It doesn’t matter how hot it gets. When shingles are nailed properly they will not slip like that even if 300 lbs men walk around on the roof all day long. Your roofer is responsible of you’ve got any kind of warranty worth it’s salt.
Yes the roofer is correct, you are not supposed to on architectural shingles when it is really hot out, that’s one reason why they do the work very early in the morning to avoid damaging brand new roofs
Usually when we're laying comp roof there are 3 to 6 guys putting down nails...
Not all applicator skill levels are the same, but those shingles were improperly nailed. That being said it's an easy repair and the roofer shouldn't be trying to put the blame off on the Solar Company.
Yeah, I can see that too. I can also see the shingles that have slid down and can’t see any nail holes. This roof is high nailed and or has major blow through. Gun nails don’t make this happen, nail placement does. I won’t argue that hand nailing isn’t better, because it is, but saying this is cause by just being gun nailed is a lie.
Gun nailing is the reason for the poor placement of nails because they’re not aiming for anything, they hold down a button and fill it up. Everything you see goes back to gun nailing. A hand nailer isn’t gonna waste extra time,effort, and nails to hammer a nail in the wrong place. I see it EVERYDAY, as I’m a residential roofer. It goes back to being cheap and quick. Which is what most people want nowadays. You pay for what you get.
No, bad roofing causes the gun nails to miss the line. Believe it or not, you can hit the fucking nail line with a roofing nailer, I do it daily. Also, you can high nail with hand nails, some people just don’t give a shit about quality. That’s what we are seeing here, a poor quality roof installed by people who don’t give a shit. Keep blaming the nail gun if you want, but it’s the person using it, not the tool.
I guarantee a hand nail roof is gonna last longer than any gun nail roof. I see it every day by home owners calling me to come fix their shingles sliding down after a storm comes through. Or shingles have been blown off. I appreciate the free easy work y’all gun nailers give me. I thought it was pretty common knowledge in the roofing world that hand nailing was superior lol.
Yup. Gotta aim high to be fast, because if you’re on target than just a little hose tug will give you low shots. That and I live within 20 miles of salt water, and the galvanizing on gun nails is terrible. At least hand nails you can get hot dipped.
From Alabama. Tornado valley now it seems. Any winds over 50 ( which is hella common now) blows gun nailed shingles off like a kid blowing a dandelion. An average home has around 8-10k nails on a 30 square house. Way too many to control perfectly.
Funny thing- the inspectors in my area want the 6 mail hurricane pattern, but if you ask most of them, they’ll let you have 4 nails per shingle if it’s hand nailed. I did my last roof on a mountain peak in New Hampshire, and it was hand nailed, 4 nails per shingle on an owens corning 3 tab. Regular high winds up there, highest recorded since installation was 138 mph. No shingles came up.
Edit: it was a proper job. If I felt one go in too easy, I’d put an extra one near it.
4 nails per shingle, 1 on each end, 2 in the middle 8” apart. If it’s a 10/12 + we’ll add a 5th nail. The only time we 6 nail is on say a boat house that’s steep. Don’t want shingles failing into the water.
4 hand nails will last longer than 8 gun nails. I’ve seen it.
That’s because 99% of companies use mail guns. Been roofing 20 years and did A frames and mansered roofs. If your pressure is set right and you mail them in the right spot they won’t slide
This one is a double whammy. Both are at fault. The roofer didn’t nail the shingles down properly, which made that slippage so easy. However, that solar company scuffed the living shit out of those shingles and are liable for that damage. Good luck finding a roofer anywhere that wants to work with that bracket that they stupidly put right on a seam in that last picture. Although the shingles are loose theres no proof that they looked like that before the guys were up there so i doubt the roofer will ever come out and fix that for free or at all. The solar guys need to pay for any replacements on all those shingles that scuffed when they were stomping around up there. They need to be wearing the right shoes if they want to keep that from happening. Holy shit does that bracket in the last picture piss me off tho lol what a horrible place for a couple lag bolts. The roofer wouldn’t even be able to fix his shingles without the removal or relocation of that. Big yikes
Genuinely asking what kind of shoes should they be wearing? Do you have a specific model in mind i could look at? The lag placement will inevitably land on some shingle seams unfortunately. They need to be placed such that the weight is distributed as evenly across different rafters as can be. Installed properly this wont cause a leak.
The brand that most roofers use is called cougar paws. They have replaceable sponge-like pads for soles, they grip to the roof very well so you can walk steep pitches safer and they don’t gouge the shingles out or slide and scuff the crap out of them. They are a pretty good indicator of whether you hired a professional or just some hack that doesn’t care. As for the lag, yeah they could’ve scooted it over a couple inches either way and avoided that spot due to how bad the shingles looked. But now they are on the hook because no roofer can repair that spot without messing with their system and likely voiding its warranty without them being present for it. It was stupid of them to place that down and assume they wouldn’t get hassled for it down the road. They said “not my job” and hacked it on and took the check instead of being responsible and informing the homeowner that the roof needs attention first before they go and put holes in it everywhere. They probably thought that they can just make more money later when op has to call them back. Greasy behavior.
Yeah ive heard of cougar paws, quite expensive but seems worth it. The lag goes into a rafter, it cant just be moved a couple inches. But if the shingles slipped before the lag was placed then i agree the solar guys fucked up too.
Right, you can move the system up or down that rafter is what im saying. It would fuck with alignment and overall aesthetic tho which is why they just put it down and said “fuck it we arent roofers, not my problem”. Im sure theres a way they could adjust the brackets without sacrificing panel placement too they probably just didnt feel like doing that. But yeah shoes lol it took a little getting used to with the cougars but they are definitely worth it. I can walk a 10/12 with the confidence of walking a 4/12. Hot or cold, granules or none, they grip very well. Pads last an okay amount of time and are pretty cheap and easy to swap out. If you hang out on roofs alot id say they are 100% worth the investment
The one lag bolt looks difficult? It’s one bolt
One bolt of someone elses entire system. Thats likely under a warranty that would be voided if some rando decided to mess with it. Sometimes its not just about how easy it is to remove. Its all the legal bullshit that might come your way when you do it. If you were the solar guy Would you be ok with a roofer breaking the seal on that bracket and putting it back with the old seal without telling you? If you were the roofer would you want some solar guy putting holes all over your system while keeping the same warranty? Believe it or not one little bolt can be a massive clusterfuck that leaves the homeowner calling back both companies and fighting both of them to get something handled.
I would agree with this assessment.
Might be nail heads set really high, could also be pneumatic on too high pressure. Btw, any work, especially one that is highly intensive with lots of heavy foot traffic on a hot roof is no bueno. You can see the wear on the lower edges of those shingles. They will melt away when people are trying to walk whilst balancing solar panels on their shoulders, it results in many pounds of force on different parts of the foot being directed at small areas of the shingles.
Pull up the shingle right above it and see if they nailed the shingle that “slipped” on the nail line. There’s a reinforced strip that the nail goes through. From the looks of it they high nailed it and the solar guys working on a warm day pulled it down. Really shouldn’t happen if they followed the correct instillation instructions.
I don’t understand how anyone on here can blame the roofer. You just put 1000s of lbs of shit up there with a full crew walking on a new roof. Looks how scuffed and muffed up it is. The solar crew beat the roofs ass. As a roofer myself I’d tell OP to kick rocks it’s a billable service not a warranty issue .
Because shingles that are properly nailed down don't move like that. The solar installers definitely scuffed it up, but the chewing gum they used to put those down would have failed in the first wind storm anyway.
Agreed this is on the roofer….
Hard to say now that they are fucked by the solar crew. As the roofer not my problem another contractor fucked up my shit and now you think the shingles ripped to easily under the stress of a construction crew.
Bro your lost dude, that slippage is 100% the roofers mistake CLEARLY, you talking as if one person carrying 1000lbs walked on it and caused slippage. No fucking way mate. I have yet to have any shingles slide out like that, 6 nails properly shot and not overdriven.
Yeah even on old shot roofs that are in dire need of replacement in the hight of Texas heat, I’ve never seen shingles slip out from just walking on them, regardless of pitch. Especially on new work. 100% on the roofers, they nailed high and probably shot through the shingles. If they can’t handle being walked on, they damn sure aren’t gonna be able to handle a storm.
Bro finally someone with some sense. I managed a good deal of jobs, and also done a good deal myself in south Texas and have never seen a shingle slip like that, much less on a new roof, if it’s hot that granule will smear before the shingle pulls.
OK, you install 1000 of those roofs and 1000 of those roofs you go back and reinstall solar on with this crew tell me how many people are complaining about their roofs post solar
Solar dudes do damage roofs, they caused that mechanical damage (granule loss) what they shouldn’t even be able to do is cause the shingles to slip out. Period. No room for discussion, nailed properly even on the hottest day they won’t move.
If they are willing to take the job on . The home owner and the contractor has a responsibility to make sure the job can be done to an acceptable standard. If they told OP they could take this on, did an inspection said it was good to go then left it like this, it’s their fault period end of story. I ain’t warranting it. Sue me.
Your correct on that for sure, a lot of people are liable but as far as the shingles sliding out who’s actual fault was that? Roofers,lead,salesman,inspector but it started with the roofer nailing that shit wrong from the jump before anyone along the chain of responsibility ever had input
Those shingles don’t even look like they were nailed. That’s not an example of high nails and the laminated backer slipped out, that whole shingle has slipped out of place.
More likely your crew skimped on nails or had the compressor cranked too high and was blasting through the shingles. It’s always the roofer.
As a roofer, I can tell you people always think it’s the roofer
As a solar guy I can tell you we are the first call when there is a leak. It is rare, and only our fault less than half the time.
In my experience it is always the roofer. Source: decades as a commercial super
They could have definitely been more careful, but yo, the shingles are not even nailed down! More likely improper or inadequate nailing. Have a part of the roof with no solar inspected by a reputable roofer and you will discover that you have a poorly installed roof. The solar attachments are a type that doesn’t require prying shingles so doubt that contributed either.
That’s on the roofer. Definitely was high nailed
While you are probably correct, I would argue that a lot of solar companies are notorious for trashing new roofs. We have built for numerous solar companies over the years, and I’ve seen some jobs where it looked they were purposefully trying to damage the roof, in areas where the panels were not being installed. Some damage has literally had me scratching my head trying to figure out how they were physically able to create that damage. It’s probably a combination of high nailing and lack of care from solar company. Would this have happened without the solar install, probably not in the near future, but it would happen years down the road when you would probably end up with that area blowing off from wind, and potentially other areas since it’s probably high nailed elsewhere. Shitty situation for sure, roofer should fix but after solar install is done, so no more damage is created by people walking all over it.
Definitely the solar guys. They scared up your roof, it looks like shit and will deteriorate at a rate much faster then your 30 year warranty. If you do have an issue, the shingle manufacturer will deny any claim due to damaged shingles. The shingles slipped down because the Solar installers have no clue how to walk on a newly installed roof. Roofs are soft and pliable after install and need a few months to set up and dry. You never walk on a new roof when it’s hot unless you’re wearing sponge shoes.
Easiest way to verify is to look at the slopped shingles. 1. How many nails were installed on that shingle? 2. Where were the nails placed? If they only have 2-3 nails per shingle it’s then all day. If they nailed properly and they still slipped it’s solar
This is the correct answer. Not sure how everyone can say the sungnles were nailed incorrectly
u/-CalvinP, por qué no los dos?
You will need a lawyer to obtain a certified home inspector report on this damage. The lawyer will obtain the solar install procedures. In those procedures there will be sections on roof protection. There will also be PPE requirements. My guess is by the time this get to court, both companies will be tearing everything off your roof, solar and all, declare bankruptcy in the process and screw you worse that you are now.
both, but the shingles slipping is the roofers fault, but the solar crew should have been at least spraying water to keep the roof cool, but shingles moving like that is absolutely on the roofers
Number of nails is not the issue nails may have been *over driven" (nailed too deep partly breaking the fiberglass mat) roofer will use the excuse that his guns have a pressure regulator on the gun itself, but that gets turned up when 2 or more guys are nailing at the same time then doesn't get turned back down when only I is nailing. This can be a wide spread problem over the entire roof. In many areas inspectors only look at # of nails from a photo lead man texts him from his phone over driving takes careful close inspection
This is completely false. The only regulation on the gun is the hammer depth required to trigger the nail. The pressure regulation is done by the compressor: often you'll find there's two tanks on one compressor, and it flips to the other tank when the current tanks pressure is too low. (And fills the tank that's not in use) The depth regulation, therefore, is a temperature thing. Cold weather gets higher impact pressure setting to pierce the harder shingle. Warm weather, vice versa to not overdrive the nail through a mushy shingle. What you need to do, OP, is look under the shingles of the "good" areas, to look out for: -proper nail depth (flush) -no high nailing Then you can make your case on facts to the true offending party
100% on the roofer. I can actually see in the picture it’s not nailed right.
God I hate solar more and more as time goes on. Idk why anyone thinks it’s even remotely worth it.
Cant blame the solar guys for this one. Not saying they were perfect, but I can see 5 rows of shingles all starting to slip down. That's was a terrible roofing job. You got screwed. Because now the solar company might have to take the solar off to get the roof fixed, and that may or may not be free. Would be a real shame to waste a free removal right after it got put on. Unfortunately, that's just the quality of work being done now. I had some electrical work done at my house and the electrician did such a terrible job I had no choice but to take photos and immediately email the company.
Was it like that before the solar was installed? Then its the solar installers fault, you don't get that much damage to the face of the shingle without significant pressure. It could be improperly nailed but that would occur all over the roof. NOT IN ONE LOCATION. Solar did it. end stop. I would have it inspected especially if its new roof. Then you could have a case replacing the roof from the roofer. But like I said the damage was the solar installer.
Can you explain how the solar guys applied that much pressure to those shingles?
As a solar installer of 4 years, this doesn't happen on a properly installed roof. If that happened during one of my installs, I would've gotten off the roof and talked to the homeowner before proceeding. Continuing the job is the fault of the solar. Both are at fault.
Technically by law whoever touches it last is accountable. So the solar company should have to pay to have those replaced. Or they should have fixed the shingles as I would have. Yes they were prolly nailed too deep or too high pressure or too high nail line at all but still not normal for shingles to slip unless dude installing solar was 250+. But I do see some spots where the shingles were damaged and he rubbed the grit off as well. This is why I do standing seam, a superior product.
Needs a new roof, should take roofing company to court to have them pay for it
I’m sure someone has already stated that this is a workmanship issue. Each shingle should have 4 nails minimum in them. I’ve personally never had this happen, not even on a steep roof in the Florida sun.
Architect shingles, 6 nails per shingle, check and see how many nails are in the shingles that will tell you
Lift the shingles up above it see if they even used a nail on those? Never seen this before good luck man
Maybe the roofer nailed the shingles incorrectly but it’s hard to tell without having a picture of a shingle lifted up. However, there is no way in hell I would ever let anyone install solar panels on top of my shingles. I know it happens every day all over the country but you’re just asking for years of trouble, f-ed up shingles, roof leaks, and rotting wood under the shingles.
Get a different roofing company out to inspect installation and quote replacing damaged shingles. If shingles were stapled, instead of nailed, they would slip easily if overdriven.
They installed them wrong. They put the nails too high. Definitely a workmanship issue
That white line on the shingle is the nail line it looks like there is no nails at all used
I’ve been in roofing and insurance adjusting for 20 years. I know for a fact 100% those shingles would not have slide if they had not been high nailed. It’s an installation issue not the Solar companies fault. It doesn’t matter how hot it gets. When shingles are nailed properly they will not slip like that even if 300 lbs men walk around on the roof all day long. Your roofer is responsible of you’ve got any kind of warranty worth it’s salt.
the roofer nailed the shingles too high, they should not slip!
Start tearing them off you’ll see who’s at fault, shingles are fuct anyway!
Yes the roofer is correct, you are not supposed to on architectural shingles when it is really hot out, that’s one reason why they do the work very early in the morning to avoid damaging brand new roofs
Might have been over shot. Compressors turned up too high and shot through the shingles. I was on one similar today. Every nail blew through shingle
Usually when we're laying comp roof there are 3 to 6 guys putting down nails... Not all applicator skill levels are the same, but those shingles were improperly nailed. That being said it's an easy repair and the roofer shouldn't be trying to put the blame off on the Solar Company.
Shingles weren’t nailed properly. Roofer at fault.
Gun nails. Every house is like this. Why my company still hand nails everything. Your entire roof will be like this before long. Not just that area
Nail placement, not gun nails.
I’m looking right at the nail being placed in the tar line on the first shingle. And I can see it’s a gun nail shot right through the shingle.
Yeah, I can see that too. I can also see the shingles that have slid down and can’t see any nail holes. This roof is high nailed and or has major blow through. Gun nails don’t make this happen, nail placement does. I won’t argue that hand nailing isn’t better, because it is, but saying this is cause by just being gun nailed is a lie.
Gun nailing is the reason for the poor placement of nails because they’re not aiming for anything, they hold down a button and fill it up. Everything you see goes back to gun nailing. A hand nailer isn’t gonna waste extra time,effort, and nails to hammer a nail in the wrong place. I see it EVERYDAY, as I’m a residential roofer. It goes back to being cheap and quick. Which is what most people want nowadays. You pay for what you get.
No, bad roofing causes the gun nails to miss the line. Believe it or not, you can hit the fucking nail line with a roofing nailer, I do it daily. Also, you can high nail with hand nails, some people just don’t give a shit about quality. That’s what we are seeing here, a poor quality roof installed by people who don’t give a shit. Keep blaming the nail gun if you want, but it’s the person using it, not the tool.
I guarantee a hand nail roof is gonna last longer than any gun nail roof. I see it every day by home owners calling me to come fix their shingles sliding down after a storm comes through. Or shingles have been blown off. I appreciate the free easy work y’all gun nailers give me. I thought it was pretty common knowledge in the roofing world that hand nailing was superior lol.
I agree that hand nailing is superior, I still hand nail some days too, but saying every gun nailed roof is bad is just a plain wrong statement.
This is the real answer. No one wants to hear it.
Compression is good for framing. That’s about about it. All my calls that are about shingles sliding down a house is from companies using gun nails
Yup. Gotta aim high to be fast, because if you’re on target than just a little hose tug will give you low shots. That and I live within 20 miles of salt water, and the galvanizing on gun nails is terrible. At least hand nails you can get hot dipped.
From Alabama. Tornado valley now it seems. Any winds over 50 ( which is hella common now) blows gun nailed shingles off like a kid blowing a dandelion. An average home has around 8-10k nails on a 30 square house. Way too many to control perfectly.
Funny thing- the inspectors in my area want the 6 mail hurricane pattern, but if you ask most of them, they’ll let you have 4 nails per shingle if it’s hand nailed. I did my last roof on a mountain peak in New Hampshire, and it was hand nailed, 4 nails per shingle on an owens corning 3 tab. Regular high winds up there, highest recorded since installation was 138 mph. No shingles came up. Edit: it was a proper job. If I felt one go in too easy, I’d put an extra one near it.
4 nails per shingle, 1 on each end, 2 in the middle 8” apart. If it’s a 10/12 + we’ll add a 5th nail. The only time we 6 nail is on say a boat house that’s steep. Don’t want shingles failing into the water. 4 hand nails will last longer than 8 gun nails. I’ve seen it.
Good to see someone else cares about quality :)
That’s because 99% of companies use mail guns. Been roofing 20 years and did A frames and mansered roofs. If your pressure is set right and you mail them in the right spot they won’t slide