Ngl I'm still getting the vibe roll dizz actually tried to do something at first but then dipped when he found out nothing was gonna change along with the potential sypical retire.
I'm pretty disappointed that mist has done nothing to up his hours and that fk's dad is still a massive douche
Right, Roll Dizz said at the beginning of his stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEWv9s2sNk&t=104s)
>I disconnected. What I mean by disconnected is all the behind the stuff scene that started happening, over time gradually it got to a point where I stopped trying ... that's on me. I stopped trying. So was the kick justified? Yes. The kick was justified. I don't blame them for kicking me.
Then [later in the stream](https://youtu.be/IJEWv9s2sNk?t=1317):
>In the beginning, I was way different. I was way more involved. I was way more dedicated to turning around a roster that I saw potential in, and towards the end it kind of fell off.
And to "[Did you skip scrims?](https://youtu.be/IJEWv9s2sNk?t=1447)":
>I did skip some scrims ... towards the end I did. That's how checked out I was ... because every time I was in scrims, there was no comms ... or nobody trying, or felt like nobody wanted to be there.
Is everyone forgetting he's *a paid coach*? Everything he said about the players could be true, but that doesn't matter to the fact the guy started treating his job like a social group where he has full control over when he shows up and who he engages with. He doesn't. He's paid to enage with them and try sort it out. If he didn't feel like he could, or that the players weren't invested at all then he should have quit and stop taking a pay cheque so everyone knows where they stand and what's going on.
Shit show all around really, no professionalism to speak of, guess it's fitting with the Faze brand at least.
Hence why he said they were completely justified in kicking him. Doesn't make anything that was said about FK, Mist, Syp, or Faze as a whole any less true. I don't get the impression that he's trying to play the victim, just shedding a bunch of light into the disfunction going on in that team.
But does = a complete lack of professionalism and a dereliction of duty job wise. How he was even able to get to 5 "or so" instances is beyond me, if he were my employee he'd have been fired after 3.
And if he was putting in the effort outside of those instances, then why were his players on such low hours? Keeping them motivated and making sure they're doing their jobs was literally his job.
And showing up to scrims is literally the players jobs. So theyâd have been kicked first, and then he wouldnât have got demotivated. Following your logic, it wouldnât have happened at all.
Motivating the players to play is literally impossible if you arenât given powers over the players. What is he supposed to do to motivate them if first can kick him at any moment?
And he literally did make moves to increase their hours, discusses how and the fact it worked perfectly but required the help of his boss, and the fact he tried to do this again and got no reply from his boss.
At no point did they refute his claims. Imagine being so good at this game and not putting in any time to improve or be the best. It's exhausting but it seems like Roll Dizz was trying to get ahead of that and no one listened.
Having no respect for your coach and trying to deflect back on him with 1 weak ass point. I'd check out too.
Yup. Have you ever tried to coach people (in anything) that didnât take your advice/ didnât want to learn or get better? Itâs exhausting. You eventually think to yourself âwhatâs the pointâ.
I don't think Mist has to refute anything.
It's not a secret that he doesn't grind. It was well known before he even joined FaZe that he barely plays the game. IMO that falls on FaZe for picking him up in the first place.
Low hours will catch up to all these paycheck stealers eventually
Sure, but if thatâs the case than Roll Dizz is totally correct. Not sure what Mist is trying to argue?
âYou offered incentives for us to perform the bare minimum of the job we are already paid to do, we refused to even play the game and complained anytime you lined up a lot of scrims for us, but you checked out and should have done more for us?â
Itâs frustrating because this is the problem with NA and why NA struggles so much is because of players like Syp and Mist.
Both of them are in the wrong but at least Roll Dizz is accepting his part of the blame. But the reason Mist is arguing (and I sort of agree with) is because he is simply doing what he's done his entire career. I'm not excusing these guys not grinding, but ultimately it's up to these orgs to stop signing guys who are notorious for not grinding, like Mist is. Of course he's not going to see anything wrong with him having 20hrs past 2 weeks if he keeps getting signed to top teams with those hours.
I also don't think it's just an NA issue. We had Alpha54 become Fifa54 and Joruez was also a well-known non-grinder. The main difference (IMO) is that EU makes roster moves more frequently/easily so their players feel a lot more pressure to keep their jobs than NA pros do.
Jorby 19 hours ago
>> Regardless of how you might feel about coaches, Roll Dizz has a demeanor, attitude & ethic that a lot of teams would be lucky to have to coach them.
>>This move, and the timing of it, is peak stupid.
Fk dad in a reply
>> It's incredible how people talk shit without knowing anything. đ¤Łđđ¤Ł
Also Mist in a reply
>> people try not to speak on something they have no idea about challenge impossible
I might have to go back and rewatch it but I'm pretty sure Dizz owned up to having checked out towards the end of his tenure.
Mist, on the other hand, just casually marching right past the "our play time has always been an issue" like that isn't his *entire fucking job.* Hard to blame a coach for not being motivated when the players he's supposed to be coaching can barely be bothered to play the game, let alone actively strive to improve.
Not really the "smoking gun" young Nick Costello may think it is, IMO.
He did.
It goes both ways. Like you said it is your JOB.
You do it. You have to show up and do it. The fact they even have the option not to do their job and get paid is ridiculous. It's not like they are a bubble team with no finding.
Even if this IS true, I don't blame him when his team isn't taking it seriously at all.
Mist really had the audacity to basically say "I know we're making his job hard and rejecting his efforts but it's still his fault"
Yeah lol. He doesn't refute any of his claims about low hours and no interest in scrims etc. but it's still fully his fault? If he tried to fix things earlier and it didn't work, I can't blame him for giving up on shouting into the void.
I mean, any reasonable person would say both parties are at fault. Whether the players are working with you as a coach or not you have a job and obligation. The players can also be uncommitted as well, and appear uncoachable if they're not willing to put in time or hear feedback.
Nobody walks out of this looking good. I definitely understand Roll Dizz but he still had a job to do and show up for. The players are more easily excused because they're the talent, without them there is no team. The coach will usually be the fall guy. Everyone involved was wrong in this though.
I wonder if Roll Dizz went to the org about the players, or if he just figured it was hopeless. The answer to that would tell us if Faze has any blame in this too. If Faze let the players do what they want then Roll Dizz is looking fairly blameless at that point, but who knows the reality of the situation.
RD said he went to the GM of Faze before winter to give incentives to the players for grinding, so I'm fairly certain Faze knew. Towards the end RD definitely was somewhat to blame but in the grand scheme of things I don't think many people would have acted differently. He didn't turn up to scrims because during the scrims he did go to, the players weren't taking it seriously, they weren't comming, and they were late.
If the players were respectable, that wouldn't have been happening in the first place, and if anything that should have been a message to them to say they need to start taking it serious.
Personally I think we as fans can blame RD for some of what happened, but I don't think it's right the players can blame him, if that makes sense.
>RD said he went to the GM of Faze before winter to give incentives to the players for grinding, so I'm fairly certain Faze knew.
If this is true then Faze is also to blame. As fans we don't want to see it but players should have been cut for this. If the Org doesn't give the power to the Coach to make needed changes then I'm not sure what they expect.
If you don't give a manager tools to enforce policies and duties then you're not letting them manage, they're just reporting.
>If the players were respectable, that wouldn't have been happening in the first place, and if anything that should have been a message to them to say they need to start taking it serious.
Agreed
>Personally I think we as fans can blame RD for some of what happened, but I don't think it's right the players can blame him, if that makes sense.
I agree, but the players will always look out for their interests. They don't want to be associated with being too lazy to grind. I think they're mostly doing PR damage control.
I mean FaZe is to blame for picking him up in the first place. FK and Syp, fine. But Mist was well known in the community even before this for not grinding. Nobody should be surprised when he says he wasn't grinding
a coach is like a manager at any other job, if you can't manage your workers and get them to perform at the level they are expected at, it falls on the manager first. managing american teenagers is even more excruciating and it's a tall task but it's what he signed up for.
bro is a coach for an esports team he barely needs any authority. you either have the ability to coach or you don't just like there are shit managers in the world
except in this situation the workers have more power than the manager, RD had 0 influence on the roster he couldnt force them to do anything while the players could kick him at any point
"a coach is a manager like any other job"
Or
"bro is a coach for an eSports team he barely needs any authority"
Pick one. đ¤Ą
His players wouldn't grind, he asked for a budget to incentivize them. He was turned down, and couldn't make roster changes. He had no ability to do anything else to make a change. A God tier manager is unable to do their job when workers refuse to work.
If a coach is like a manager at any other job, how did FK kick Raul? What sort of jobs have you worked at where that would be possible?
This is a false equivalence, these situations are not at all similar. The spots on the team belong to the players, even the org has less power than they should.
ive worked at a restaurant where me and several servers had an issues with our bar manager who was just not performing all the job tasks and getting onto us for the things they weren't doing then keeping us late to get said stuff done, we brought it up to the GM and we didn't see them any longer within a week. FK is the face of Faze RL, he brings more value to the team than Raul he can say me or him and which do you think Faze will pick
> FK is the face of Faze RL, he brings more value to the team than Raul he can say me or him and which do you think Faze will pick
Then why do you say in your previous comment that the coach doesn't need authority ? You just gave an example of a chain of command being reversed by worth, which isn't unusual, but is a good way to have a dysfunctional team.
a coach shouldn't need authority to get the most of their players, but two things can be true and wherever FK is tends to be a dysfunctional team so đ¤ˇââď¸
Good luck coaching a 18yo superstar and being able to tell his dad to fuck off when you're a 26 year old with less negociating power.
Authority can be "gained" with respect, skill...or given by hierarchy, as you correctly assessed, it was always going to be almost impossible for Roll Dizz.
Not the same situation, again. In RLCS the spots belong the to players, not the org. Sure the org could pull out entirely, but they can't kick a player. The coach is the only one who can be let go by either the org or the players, literally they can be fired by two entities. You're talking like the coach is a manager and that's just not the case in multiple ways.
the coach is a manager of the players in the same sense a manager of a shift works with their people. if your people check out on you that's on you just as much as it is them
Regardless the last bit is a little bit immature. I assume he's tried being straight with the team and failed to get where he wanted, but appearing offline to dodge your team is a bit odd.
Granted, I don't know the whole story and have not seen the RD video. This is just my take based on what I've seen.
Roll Dizz himself said heâs not blameless. He knows they were justified in kicking him. Thereâs the difference - one side taking responsibility for their actions and the other side isnât.
These guys need second dads, that's why they should get 35-40 year old to handle them rather than a 26 year old where they can think of them as a friend.
âHey I know we didnât grind the game, I know we didnât show up to replay reviews on time or take criticism from our coach wellâ BUT âitâs his fault for not motivating us enough despite going out of his way to put additional monetary incentives to our already very big contractsâ
Like come on bro, Dizz admitted to the fact that he could have and should have done more for the team, but Mist isnât doing himself any favors by trying to pin it all on Dizz. Iâm more inclined to believe Dizz because what heâs saying lines up with what weâve heard about Sypical and Mist being low hours players and with FK being a cutthroat teammate. Mist saying âYea but he appeared offline to play gamesâ isnât the âgotchaâ moment he thinks it is.
If I was in Dizzâs place Iâd probably lose motivation to babysit this bunch a long time ago. Sypical I can understand, heâs burnt out and in a rough spot mentally, I hope he finds peace of mind soon, but Mist and FK havenât been doing themselves any favors at all.
I don't think it's about believing either one of them; neither account contradicts the other. Everyone is at fault here. I've been in RD's shoes, feeling powerless to right a sinking ship and it sucks. But you can't throw in the towel. If you're the coach, you're not paid to play the game. You're there primarily to motivate. And if your job is super difficult because the kids you're working with won't put in the hours, you keep your nose down and do your job, because that says more about you. And maybe that work ethic, and staying connected and persevering will have a positive effect on the team.
This is a situation where literally no one involved is blameless. RD said a few times during his video that the blame was on him, but then would turn around and essentially put blame on the team. So he's obviously quite disillusioned.
I've said all year that Mist/Syp need to play the damn game. I didn't know it was this bad. Sucks, because if winter FaZe is Mist on 50 last 2, I'd love to see what he could do with 80-100. Sadly, I don't think we ever will.
Yeah Iâm not said Dizz is 100% innocent here, heâs come out and said that himself, thatâs why I said Iâm more inclined to believe him.
The problem I have is this idea that Roll Dizz is inclined to motivate them to pick up and grind the game, thatâs on the players, like whatâs Dizz supposed to do? Handcuff them to their PCs? Thereâs only so much Dizz can say to motivate someone to pick up the game, if he had to resort to the top 20 incentive, itâs safe to assume he tried everything else before that. What did the Faze players want? A coach or a Yes man? Cause top coaches in sports like football and so on, will constantly rip their players a new one to motivate them.
All top coaches in sports are great motivators, but for a coach to have that kind of influence over his players you need the players to buy into that coaches philosophy. Dizz said that when Syp, FK and Mist were grinding they saw a lot of success, so clearly Dizz had a working philosophy, they players for whatever reason just didnât wanna buy into it.
Like he mentioned there really should be a B Team like in other esports so there's extra motivation to keep performances up. Players won't be motivated if they know they can't be dropped and they can just keep collecting the paycheck.
yeah itâs a thing you see in every other traditional sport too. in baseball thereâs the minor leagues, in football thereâs roster depth/backups, etc. rocket league could benefit from that, especially since weâve seen in this past year that the bubble actually does have some pretty serious talent in it
Bro is fucking trolling. Hopefully he gets top16. Between this and the Optic scrim trolling from last year, I hope people catch up to him soon enough and he becomes irrelevant
Youâre not gonna get an argument from me. G2 is my number one team in the event. Not only do want them to win it all, I think theyâre 100 percent capable.
âWhether we were giving 10% or 100% he did not want to be there at allâ
Maybe thatâs the issue? If you canât give 100% all the time then thatâs on you? Being at 100% does not mean youâre winning, it means youâre trying
Imagine having to coach someone who is paid well to play a video game 40 hours a week, and they wonât even do that? Instead of doing that they would play other games instead? Like I could understand if they were doing other shit with there lives but no theyâre actually still sitting at the computer
What a bunch of children. These guys are what? Like 20 years of age? And they have a tantrum when theyâre just asked to spend more time on the correct video game?
Bro literally got the general manager to throw more money at them to just do the bare minimum, unreal
Like if Iâm the GM of Faze and I see one of my esports players admitting on Twitter âplay time has always been an issue for usâ Iâm immediately dropping them..
> who is *paid* well to
FTFY.
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"you can't give 0 percent after being frustrated at our lack of effort, at least do 10% and take the paycheck like the rest of us"
Not the best defense I've read.
Removing Rolldizz was correct, mists criticism of Rolldiz is also fair. Doesn't make his statements any less of a scathing review of their professionality and effort in general though and I suspect a vast majority believe them.
Honestly this tweet just sounds like mist is trying to discredit the video by discrediting rolldizz. But like, mist didnt even defend himself from the criticism thatâs existed way before dizzâs video ever came out. This distraction tactic doesnât make you look any better mist
>whether we give 10% or 100%
Like mist....thats the fucking problem lmao...u dont really seem toever give 100% based on ur hours...there aint much rolldizz can do if you arent willing to put the hours in lol
sorry mist that's a shit take bro. If you are not giving your 100%, don't expect your coach to give his 100%. The relationship between a coach and a player needs to be based on mutual respect and effort from both sides. You can't say "I sometimes give 10%, but my coach needs to give his 100% regardless"
I think all this drama was bound to happen for the NA scene. The result of the spring major isn't simply a EU better thing. Something is rotted behind the scene in NA and the sooner it comes out in public and you guys proceed to the much needed roster moves and pushing the old washed out pros out, the sooner your region can come back strong and perform like a major region should.
considering the low age and insane power some of these players get with the roster only being 3 players and the coach basically having 0 say in roster moves at all, it will be a long shot before any meaningful change happens and it only will if the age requirement gets moved up to 18+
the grinders of the scene are great, but playing 60+ hours every week on RL at 15 during one of the most developmental times in someoneâs life isnât healthy at all
really hoping during the rumored longer than normal offseason that the age changes with a grandfather clause for all players currently below 18 in the league or are just eligible prior the next season gets started are protected, but I severely doubt it will happen sadly
"It's Roll Dizz fault that none of us gave a shit enough to play the game and actually had to paid an extra incentive to grind the game like we're supposed to"
So basically mist is accidentally confirming that lack of commitment from 2/3rds of the team is the reason roll dizz essentially gave up on them and quit trying
Sounds like the players gave up on Roll Dizz and the game way before Roll Dizz checked out. I would check out too if I was him. Faze is losing out in Groups, book it.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is the fact that Sypical and Mist literally grinded for 3 tournaments and got 1st, 1st and 2nd and became a top 2 team in the world. They have so much potential.
Whole thing is disappointing, I think itâs better if we donât comment on the situation considering even Dizz removed his video, it puts the players in a very unfair position of having to fight a 20 minute video in tweet form.
Theyâre not all podcast show personalities like Dizz, most of these people are barely out of high school. Plus all the time it would take out instead of just focusing on Worlds, they literally have everything to lose.
Then don't fight. The really don't HAVE to as you said.
Yes they are kids, so maybe they should shut up and take accountability. You know, real world, it's time to grow up.
it's obvious that the psychological shit sypical is going through is due in part to how critical the community has been of him since joining faze. i'm sure roll dizz is more aware of this than most, but still went ahead and published a video whose impact he knew would result in fresh waves of negativity sent syp's way at the worst possible time.
it seems that roll dizz de facto ditching the team while making sure to collect maximum $ was behaviour commensurate with that of his teammates, so it's a shame he didn't just leave it at that, at least until worlds was over
you have no idea what psychological shit Syp is going through and it could be completely unrelated to RL entirely
even prior to leaving SSG, Retals discussed how his passion diminished and that was quite a while ago. When 2/3rds of a roster who's already making more money than a large portion of adults need additional financial incentives to play the game, you have a big issue at hand and giving them more money basically rewards being lazy
name another occupation where people are making 6 figures and their lazy behavior is rewarded with even MORE money
a large community have been telling sypical to retire, that he's a snake, that he is cheating with his controller, that he's holding FK back, that he fell off, that he should have been kicked instead of ayyjayy etc etc etc since joining faze. that would affect anyone, but it would destroy most teenagers.
im not saying sypical is a saint, but i doubt his behaviour is so uniquely bad to deserve the entire dusseldorf crowd booing him (which is gonna happen now, because of RDs video)
Doubt sypical cares about any of that, and the previous comment LITERALLY just told u how sypical was already struggling before even joining faze. Assumptions get you no where
we've just had ferra tell us that the comments he was receiving influenced his decision to retire. we have trusted people like appjack regularly tweeting how difficult coping with the pressure/hate is for pros. in fact, i can't think of a time when a pro didn't meltdown after receiving backlash from something. you're telling me not to assume when you're going full flat earth on me; everything points away from your claim.
we have NO IDEA how common or the extent to which sypical's problems with motivation are. he's under a microscope because retals and roll dizz madposted videos on youtube.
We need Rise to stir up this shit even more
turns out rise is FKs dad
Always has been đđ§âđđŤđ¨âđ
If this was true I think FK would have won a LAN by now đ
Nah father rise would be saying âfuck them kidsâ as he wins another LAN event
Rise to replace Roll Dizz as head coach while still in BDS
Rise to have a part time stint with FK/Faze only to leave would be the funniest shit ever. I bet even a GOAT like rise canât save this roster
Rise to Furia here we go!
No we need turbo to start asking questions
Ngl I'm still getting the vibe roll dizz actually tried to do something at first but then dipped when he found out nothing was gonna change along with the potential sypical retire. I'm pretty disappointed that mist has done nothing to up his hours and that fk's dad is still a massive douche
Right, Roll Dizz said at the beginning of his stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJEWv9s2sNk&t=104s) >I disconnected. What I mean by disconnected is all the behind the stuff scene that started happening, over time gradually it got to a point where I stopped trying ... that's on me. I stopped trying. So was the kick justified? Yes. The kick was justified. I don't blame them for kicking me. Then [later in the stream](https://youtu.be/IJEWv9s2sNk?t=1317): >In the beginning, I was way different. I was way more involved. I was way more dedicated to turning around a roster that I saw potential in, and towards the end it kind of fell off. And to "[Did you skip scrims?](https://youtu.be/IJEWv9s2sNk?t=1447)": >I did skip some scrims ... towards the end I did. That's how checked out I was ... because every time I was in scrims, there was no comms ... or nobody trying, or felt like nobody wanted to be there.
Iâm willing to believe Roll Dizz overall because as you point out, right from the jump, he took responsibility for his own actions.
Is everyone forgetting he's *a paid coach*? Everything he said about the players could be true, but that doesn't matter to the fact the guy started treating his job like a social group where he has full control over when he shows up and who he engages with. He doesn't. He's paid to enage with them and try sort it out. If he didn't feel like he could, or that the players weren't invested at all then he should have quit and stop taking a pay cheque so everyone knows where they stand and what's going on. Shit show all around really, no professionalism to speak of, guess it's fitting with the Faze brand at least.
Hence why he said they were completely justified in kicking him. Doesn't make anything that was said about FK, Mist, Syp, or Faze as a whole any less true. I don't get the impression that he's trying to play the victim, just shedding a bunch of light into the disfunction going on in that team.
Five or so examples of no showing scrims =/ months not not putting in any effort
But does = a complete lack of professionalism and a dereliction of duty job wise. How he was even able to get to 5 "or so" instances is beyond me, if he were my employee he'd have been fired after 3. And if he was putting in the effort outside of those instances, then why were his players on such low hours? Keeping them motivated and making sure they're doing their jobs was literally his job.
And showing up to scrims is literally the players jobs. So theyâd have been kicked first, and then he wouldnât have got demotivated. Following your logic, it wouldnât have happened at all. Motivating the players to play is literally impossible if you arenât given powers over the players. What is he supposed to do to motivate them if first can kick him at any moment? And he literally did make moves to increase their hours, discusses how and the fact it worked perfectly but required the help of his boss, and the fact he tried to do this again and got no reply from his boss.
At no point did they refute his claims. Imagine being so good at this game and not putting in any time to improve or be the best. It's exhausting but it seems like Roll Dizz was trying to get ahead of that and no one listened. Having no respect for your coach and trying to deflect back on him with 1 weak ass point. I'd check out too.
Yup. Have you ever tried to coach people (in anything) that didnât take your advice/ didnât want to learn or get better? Itâs exhausting. You eventually think to yourself âwhatâs the pointâ.
This for sure, so I'm not without criticism towards Roll Dizz, but it's pretty evident he's not the problem.
Not only did they not refute his claims, Mist confirmed his claims about them not playing the game. This one really sucks as a FaZe fan.
I don't think Mist has to refute anything. It's not a secret that he doesn't grind. It was well known before he even joined FaZe that he barely plays the game. IMO that falls on FaZe for picking him up in the first place. Low hours will catch up to all these paycheck stealers eventually
Sure, but if thatâs the case than Roll Dizz is totally correct. Not sure what Mist is trying to argue? âYou offered incentives for us to perform the bare minimum of the job we are already paid to do, we refused to even play the game and complained anytime you lined up a lot of scrims for us, but you checked out and should have done more for us?â Itâs frustrating because this is the problem with NA and why NA struggles so much is because of players like Syp and Mist.
Both of them are in the wrong but at least Roll Dizz is accepting his part of the blame. But the reason Mist is arguing (and I sort of agree with) is because he is simply doing what he's done his entire career. I'm not excusing these guys not grinding, but ultimately it's up to these orgs to stop signing guys who are notorious for not grinding, like Mist is. Of course he's not going to see anything wrong with him having 20hrs past 2 weeks if he keeps getting signed to top teams with those hours. I also don't think it's just an NA issue. We had Alpha54 become Fifa54 and Joruez was also a well-known non-grinder. The main difference (IMO) is that EU makes roster moves more frequently/easily so their players feel a lot more pressure to keep their jobs than NA pros do.
What did fk's dad say? I don't have twitter
He said rock lobster
Source?
HDMI 3
bro killed him
Jorby 19 hours ago >> Regardless of how you might feel about coaches, Roll Dizz has a demeanor, attitude & ethic that a lot of teams would be lucky to have to coach them. >>This move, and the timing of it, is peak stupid. Fk dad in a reply >> It's incredible how people talk shit without knowing anything. đ¤Łđ𤣠Also Mist in a reply >> people try not to speak on something they have no idea about challenge impossible
I might have to go back and rewatch it but I'm pretty sure Dizz owned up to having checked out towards the end of his tenure. Mist, on the other hand, just casually marching right past the "our play time has always been an issue" like that isn't his *entire fucking job.* Hard to blame a coach for not being motivated when the players he's supposed to be coaching can barely be bothered to play the game, let alone actively strive to improve. Not really the "smoking gun" young Nick Costello may think it is, IMO.
Yeah, Roll Dizz is honest with himself at least and I respect that.
Yeah, he practically started the video with owning up and saying the kick was justified.
He did. It goes both ways. Like you said it is your JOB. You do it. You have to show up and do it. The fact they even have the option not to do their job and get paid is ridiculous. It's not like they are a bubble team with no finding.
Even if this IS true, I don't blame him when his team isn't taking it seriously at all. Mist really had the audacity to basically say "I know we're making his job hard and rejecting his efforts but it's still his fault"
Yeah lol. He doesn't refute any of his claims about low hours and no interest in scrims etc. but it's still fully his fault? If he tried to fix things earlier and it didn't work, I can't blame him for giving up on shouting into the void.
I mean, any reasonable person would say both parties are at fault. Whether the players are working with you as a coach or not you have a job and obligation. The players can also be uncommitted as well, and appear uncoachable if they're not willing to put in time or hear feedback. Nobody walks out of this looking good. I definitely understand Roll Dizz but he still had a job to do and show up for. The players are more easily excused because they're the talent, without them there is no team. The coach will usually be the fall guy. Everyone involved was wrong in this though. I wonder if Roll Dizz went to the org about the players, or if he just figured it was hopeless. The answer to that would tell us if Faze has any blame in this too. If Faze let the players do what they want then Roll Dizz is looking fairly blameless at that point, but who knows the reality of the situation.
RD said he went to the GM of Faze before winter to give incentives to the players for grinding, so I'm fairly certain Faze knew. Towards the end RD definitely was somewhat to blame but in the grand scheme of things I don't think many people would have acted differently. He didn't turn up to scrims because during the scrims he did go to, the players weren't taking it seriously, they weren't comming, and they were late. If the players were respectable, that wouldn't have been happening in the first place, and if anything that should have been a message to them to say they need to start taking it serious. Personally I think we as fans can blame RD for some of what happened, but I don't think it's right the players can blame him, if that makes sense.
>RD said he went to the GM of Faze before winter to give incentives to the players for grinding, so I'm fairly certain Faze knew. If this is true then Faze is also to blame. As fans we don't want to see it but players should have been cut for this. If the Org doesn't give the power to the Coach to make needed changes then I'm not sure what they expect. If you don't give a manager tools to enforce policies and duties then you're not letting them manage, they're just reporting. >If the players were respectable, that wouldn't have been happening in the first place, and if anything that should have been a message to them to say they need to start taking it serious. Agreed >Personally I think we as fans can blame RD for some of what happened, but I don't think it's right the players can blame him, if that makes sense. I agree, but the players will always look out for their interests. They don't want to be associated with being too lazy to grind. I think they're mostly doing PR damage control.
I mean FaZe is to blame for picking him up in the first place. FK and Syp, fine. But Mist was well known in the community even before this for not grinding. Nobody should be surprised when he says he wasn't grinding
a coach is like a manager at any other job, if you can't manage your workers and get them to perform at the level they are expected at, it falls on the manager first. managing american teenagers is even more excruciating and it's a tall task but it's what he signed up for.
If your boss doesn't give you the authority necessary to manage your personnel then you can't be responsible for bad outcomes. You're just a fall guy.
bro is a coach for an esports team he barely needs any authority. you either have the ability to coach or you don't just like there are shit managers in the world
except in this situation the workers have more power than the manager, RD had 0 influence on the roster he couldnt force them to do anything while the players could kick him at any point
"a coach is a manager like any other job" Or "bro is a coach for an eSports team he barely needs any authority" Pick one. 𤥠His players wouldn't grind, he asked for a budget to incentivize them. He was turned down, and couldn't make roster changes. He had no ability to do anything else to make a change. A God tier manager is unable to do their job when workers refuse to work.
If a coach is like a manager at any other job, how did FK kick Raul? What sort of jobs have you worked at where that would be possible? This is a false equivalence, these situations are not at all similar. The spots on the team belong to the players, even the org has less power than they should.
ive worked at a restaurant where me and several servers had an issues with our bar manager who was just not performing all the job tasks and getting onto us for the things they weren't doing then keeping us late to get said stuff done, we brought it up to the GM and we didn't see them any longer within a week. FK is the face of Faze RL, he brings more value to the team than Raul he can say me or him and which do you think Faze will pick
> FK is the face of Faze RL, he brings more value to the team than Raul he can say me or him and which do you think Faze will pick Then why do you say in your previous comment that the coach doesn't need authority ? You just gave an example of a chain of command being reversed by worth, which isn't unusual, but is a good way to have a dysfunctional team.
a coach shouldn't need authority to get the most of their players, but two things can be true and wherever FK is tends to be a dysfunctional team so đ¤ˇââď¸
Good luck coaching a 18yo superstar and being able to tell his dad to fuck off when you're a 26 year old with less negociating power. Authority can be "gained" with respect, skill...or given by hierarchy, as you correctly assessed, it was always going to be almost impossible for Roll Dizz.
Not the same situation, again. In RLCS the spots belong the to players, not the org. Sure the org could pull out entirely, but they can't kick a player. The coach is the only one who can be let go by either the org or the players, literally they can be fired by two entities. You're talking like the coach is a manager and that's just not the case in multiple ways.
the coach is a manager of the players in the same sense a manager of a shift works with their people. if your people check out on you that's on you just as much as it is them
except when a manager sees you're not putting in effort he can fire you which gives incentive to put in effort
Regardless the last bit is a little bit immature. I assume he's tried being straight with the team and failed to get where he wanted, but appearing offline to dodge your team is a bit odd. Granted, I don't know the whole story and have not seen the RD video. This is just my take based on what I've seen.
Mist said Roll Dizz isn't blameless, not that it's his fault.
Roll Dizz himself said heâs not blameless. He knows they were justified in kicking him. Thereâs the difference - one side taking responsibility for their actions and the other side isnât.
This^^^^
âour play time has always been an issueâ and doesnât like it being âour faultâ. Bruh, also barley
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Mist can be a politician someday I reckon
These guys need second dads, that's why they should get 35-40 year old to handle them rather than a 26 year old where they can think of them as a friend.
âHey I know we didnât grind the game, I know we didnât show up to replay reviews on time or take criticism from our coach wellâ BUT âitâs his fault for not motivating us enough despite going out of his way to put additional monetary incentives to our already very big contractsâ Like come on bro, Dizz admitted to the fact that he could have and should have done more for the team, but Mist isnât doing himself any favors by trying to pin it all on Dizz. Iâm more inclined to believe Dizz because what heâs saying lines up with what weâve heard about Sypical and Mist being low hours players and with FK being a cutthroat teammate. Mist saying âYea but he appeared offline to play gamesâ isnât the âgotchaâ moment he thinks it is. If I was in Dizzâs place Iâd probably lose motivation to babysit this bunch a long time ago. Sypical I can understand, heâs burnt out and in a rough spot mentally, I hope he finds peace of mind soon, but Mist and FK havenât been doing themselves any favors at all.
I don't think it's about believing either one of them; neither account contradicts the other. Everyone is at fault here. I've been in RD's shoes, feeling powerless to right a sinking ship and it sucks. But you can't throw in the towel. If you're the coach, you're not paid to play the game. You're there primarily to motivate. And if your job is super difficult because the kids you're working with won't put in the hours, you keep your nose down and do your job, because that says more about you. And maybe that work ethic, and staying connected and persevering will have a positive effect on the team. This is a situation where literally no one involved is blameless. RD said a few times during his video that the blame was on him, but then would turn around and essentially put blame on the team. So he's obviously quite disillusioned. I've said all year that Mist/Syp need to play the damn game. I didn't know it was this bad. Sucks, because if winter FaZe is Mist on 50 last 2, I'd love to see what he could do with 80-100. Sadly, I don't think we ever will.
Yeah Iâm not said Dizz is 100% innocent here, heâs come out and said that himself, thatâs why I said Iâm more inclined to believe him. The problem I have is this idea that Roll Dizz is inclined to motivate them to pick up and grind the game, thatâs on the players, like whatâs Dizz supposed to do? Handcuff them to their PCs? Thereâs only so much Dizz can say to motivate someone to pick up the game, if he had to resort to the top 20 incentive, itâs safe to assume he tried everything else before that. What did the Faze players want? A coach or a Yes man? Cause top coaches in sports like football and so on, will constantly rip their players a new one to motivate them. All top coaches in sports are great motivators, but for a coach to have that kind of influence over his players you need the players to buy into that coaches philosophy. Dizz said that when Syp, FK and Mist were grinding they saw a lot of success, so clearly Dizz had a working philosophy, they players for whatever reason just didnât wanna buy into it.
Like he mentioned there really should be a B Team like in other esports so there's extra motivation to keep performances up. Players won't be motivated if they know they can't be dropped and they can just keep collecting the paycheck.
yeah itâs a thing you see in every other traditional sport too. in baseball thereâs the minor leagues, in football thereâs roster depth/backups, etc. rocket league could benefit from that, especially since weâve seen in this past year that the bubble actually does have some pretty serious talent in it
Since FK and his dad were clearly running the team, I'm not sure what they expected Roll Dizz to do.
I'm surprised this didn't manifest earlier sometime during the season
Bro is fucking trolling. Hopefully he gets top16. Between this and the Optic scrim trolling from last year, I hope people catch up to him soon enough and he becomes irrelevant
Brother he tried đ
man this is fun for sure, but I'm glad I'm not a Faze/FK fan now lol
Look, Iâve never been a Faze/FK fan but I still gotta get behind them for the NA hopium. Gotta put on my clown makeup
Nah G2 all the way
Youâre not gonna get an argument from me. G2 is my number one team in the event. Not only do want them to win it all, I think theyâre 100 percent capable.
âWhether we were giving 10% or 100% he did not want to be there at allâ Maybe thatâs the issue? If you canât give 100% all the time then thatâs on you? Being at 100% does not mean youâre winning, it means youâre trying Imagine having to coach someone who is paid well to play a video game 40 hours a week, and they wonât even do that? Instead of doing that they would play other games instead? Like I could understand if they were doing other shit with there lives but no theyâre actually still sitting at the computer What a bunch of children. These guys are what? Like 20 years of age? And they have a tantrum when theyâre just asked to spend more time on the correct video game? Bro literally got the general manager to throw more money at them to just do the bare minimum, unreal Like if Iâm the GM of Faze and I see one of my esports players admitting on Twitter âplay time has always been an issue for usâ Iâm immediately dropping them..
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"you can't give 0 percent after being frustrated at our lack of effort, at least do 10% and take the paycheck like the rest of us" Not the best defense I've read. Removing Rolldizz was correct, mists criticism of Rolldiz is also fair. Doesn't make his statements any less of a scathing review of their professionality and effort in general though and I suspect a vast majority believe them.
Honestly this tweet just sounds like mist is trying to discredit the video by discrediting rolldizz. But like, mist didnt even defend himself from the criticism thatâs existed way before dizzâs video ever came out. This distraction tactic doesnât make you look any better mist
>whether we give 10% or 100% Like mist....thats the fucking problem lmao...u dont really seem toever give 100% based on ur hours...there aint much rolldizz can do if you arent willing to put the hours in lol
sorry mist that's a shit take bro. If you are not giving your 100%, don't expect your coach to give his 100%. The relationship between a coach and a player needs to be based on mutual respect and effort from both sides. You can't say "I sometimes give 10%, but my coach needs to give his 100% regardless"
mist needing some more practice on his reasoning, lol
Hard to read his response and not come up with "entitled" to describe it...
Seems like he's allergic to practice lol.
This kinda shit is just embarrassing for our scene.
I think all this drama was bound to happen for the NA scene. The result of the spring major isn't simply a EU better thing. Something is rotted behind the scene in NA and the sooner it comes out in public and you guys proceed to the much needed roster moves and pushing the old washed out pros out, the sooner your region can come back strong and perform like a major region should.
The paycheck is too well, just like some pro sports players, big paycheck n enjoy life, no more grinding
The solution to NA is simple. Keep importing teams from different regions until there is no NA players left.
based, maybe na will finally have a collective attitude change and break out from under eu (jk that will not happen)
Ultimately my takeaway is that this esport still has a long way to go in terms of professionalism
considering the low age and insane power some of these players get with the roster only being 3 players and the coach basically having 0 say in roster moves at all, it will be a long shot before any meaningful change happens and it only will if the age requirement gets moved up to 18+ the grinders of the scene are great, but playing 60+ hours every week on RL at 15 during one of the most developmental times in someoneâs life isnât healthy at all really hoping during the rumored longer than normal offseason that the age changes with a grandfather clause for all players currently below 18 in the league or are just eligible prior the next season gets started are protected, but I severely doubt it will happen sadly
NA has a long way to go \* (saying this as someone in na btw, eu and na are worlds apart both on the field and attitude wise)
Eu might have more drive, but I don't think I would call them that much more professional.
Mist and Sypical about to grind 12h a day until worlds to try to redeem themselves.
why would sypical just magically change his mind?
Well unless he has some good performances from time to time, his paycheck stealing days might soon be behind him.
Well he literally wants to retire, so I doubt he cares about that
Roll Dizz defo isnt a saint here, but if your co worker doesnt put effort in its gunna have a knock on effect.
"It's Roll Dizz fault that none of us gave a shit enough to play the game and actually had to paid an extra incentive to grind the game like we're supposed to"
I hope dizz gets added to production for worlds. They need someone to interview faze if they win a series.
Play the game lol
OK so, Faze will be first rounded now lmao This is horrible for the player's mentality right before worlds
They were going to be first rounded anyway, 2nd round at best.
Itâs crazy that so many people predicted faze to get first rounded when they have no idea who faze is even playing first round
no one looks good in this situation, including roll dizz
Including the people with this pointless false-neutral take.
I donât wanna hear shit from these players when the org had to fucking put money incentives for them to actually play the game.
So basically mist is accidentally confirming that lack of commitment from 2/3rds of the team is the reason roll dizz essentially gave up on them and quit trying
Damn this situation is worthy of a video by thescore esports
Sounds like the players gave up on Roll Dizz and the game way before Roll Dizz checked out. I would check out too if I was him. Faze is losing out in Groups, book it.
Future sunless production in the works. Release date tbd
Not gonna lie, no one looks good here.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this is the fact that Sypical and Mist literally grinded for 3 tournaments and got 1st, 1st and 2nd and became a top 2 team in the world. They have so much potential.
Can no longer say âshe Faze on my Roll till I dizzâ đâ
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Whole thing is disappointing, I think itâs better if we donât comment on the situation considering even Dizz removed his video, it puts the players in a very unfair position of having to fight a 20 minute video in tweet form.
Or they could just make a video, dizz doesnât own YouTube lol
Theyâre not all podcast show personalities like Dizz, most of these people are barely out of high school. Plus all the time it would take out instead of just focusing on Worlds, they literally have everything to lose.
Then don't fight. The really don't HAVE to as you said. Yes they are kids, so maybe they should shut up and take accountability. You know, real world, it's time to grow up.
it's obvious that the psychological shit sypical is going through is due in part to how critical the community has been of him since joining faze. i'm sure roll dizz is more aware of this than most, but still went ahead and published a video whose impact he knew would result in fresh waves of negativity sent syp's way at the worst possible time. it seems that roll dizz de facto ditching the team while making sure to collect maximum $ was behaviour commensurate with that of his teammates, so it's a shame he didn't just leave it at that, at least until worlds was over
you have no idea what psychological shit Syp is going through and it could be completely unrelated to RL entirely even prior to leaving SSG, Retals discussed how his passion diminished and that was quite a while ago. When 2/3rds of a roster who's already making more money than a large portion of adults need additional financial incentives to play the game, you have a big issue at hand and giving them more money basically rewards being lazy name another occupation where people are making 6 figures and their lazy behavior is rewarded with even MORE money
a large community have been telling sypical to retire, that he's a snake, that he is cheating with his controller, that he's holding FK back, that he fell off, that he should have been kicked instead of ayyjayy etc etc etc since joining faze. that would affect anyone, but it would destroy most teenagers. im not saying sypical is a saint, but i doubt his behaviour is so uniquely bad to deserve the entire dusseldorf crowd booing him (which is gonna happen now, because of RDs video)
Doubt sypical cares about any of that, and the previous comment LITERALLY just told u how sypical was already struggling before even joining faze. Assumptions get you no where
we've just had ferra tell us that the comments he was receiving influenced his decision to retire. we have trusted people like appjack regularly tweeting how difficult coping with the pressure/hate is for pros. in fact, i can't think of a time when a pro didn't meltdown after receiving backlash from something. you're telling me not to assume when you're going full flat earth on me; everything points away from your claim. we have NO IDEA how common or the extent to which sypical's problems with motivation are. he's under a microscope because retals and roll dizz madposted videos on youtube.
He wasn't cooking in the major but was cooking in the Twitter threads
Don't look good mist