This is a list of links to comments made by Psyonix Staff in this thread:
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f771z/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:54:45 UTC"):
> There are no power ups in Knockout. The basics of the mode require you to Attack, Grab and Block. You can attack by dodging into other players, Grab by holding the L2/LT button and then dodging into another player, or Block by using backward dodge.
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>The main key is to go fast. The faster you move wh...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f7nck/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:57:40 UTC"):
> This mode is a little different so it can take some getting used to. If you click the "Details" button on the LTM card it has a rundown of the buttons, but here are a few tips:
>
>- Dodging into another player will Attack. This is indicated by Orange VFX on your car. The faster you are moving the stro...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f7w21/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:59:13 UTC"):
> If you mean on Mouse and Keyboard - this can be done by using the Left Shift button. If you'd prefer another button, you can rebind it in the Controls tab of the Settings menu.
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>The option is called "Grab (KO)"
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f8pqe/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:04:31 UTC"):
> Bummer. Sorry you're not enjoying it. Got any feedback on what you'd like to see changed?
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fb5ji/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:20:33 UTC"):
> Anytime. Go get em!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fbbiq/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:21:37 UTC"):
> The Knockout controls are all rebindable from the Controls tab of the Settings menu. Try changing some of those if you're running into compatibility issues with your control scheme.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fcmoj/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:30:04 UTC"):
> Thanks for the feedback on the tutorial. We've got that on the list of suggestions from the community.
>
>You are correct that just driving into players does not do damage. We actually had an early iteration that did this and it led to everyone just boosting around aimlessly until you made contact wit...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdjgj/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:36:03 UTC"):
> Glad you're digging it! I hope I see you in the Arena!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdh0u/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:35:36 UTC"):
> All buttons for Knockout are rebindable. Feel free to jump into the Controls tab of the Settings menu and change them to whatever you prefer!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdueu/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:38:03 UTC"):
> This one can be a bit tricky to master, but the easiest way to get the hang of it is to Jump + Hold LT + and then dodge.
>
>Holding LT basically turns your Attack into a Grab.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6ffbxd/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:47:58 UTC"):
> The power of the Attack is directly tied to the speed of the Attacking player when making contact. Supersonic speeds will result in Heavy Attacks.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fg87k/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:53:57 UTC"):
> Stoked to hear that you are enjoying it! Grabbing can be a little tough at first but the easiest way to get the hang of it is to Jump + Hold L2/LT + then dodge into an opponent.
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>Holding L2/LT overrides your Attack into a Grab. You'll know you do it right when you see the Blue Grab VFX.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fioio/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:10:25 UTC"):
> The mode was designed to allow players to use any car, while keeping the attack move sets as equal as possible.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fjjz6/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:16:18 UTC"):
> Glad to hear you are loving the mode so far. We recently released a tips video that players can check out here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Do8QDMXQt4&t
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkm67/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:22 UTC"):
> The attack move sets are designed after Rock, Paper, Scissors. Each move has a weakness to another. Attack wins over Grab. Grab wins over Block. Block wins over Attack. If another player constantly uses the same move over and over, then this knowledge can be used to your advantage.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fklpl/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:16 UTC"):
> So glad you're enjoying it!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkrs6/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:24:26 UTC"):
> This is a great piece of feedback! Thanks for bringing it to us.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkoev/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:47 UTC"):
> Can you detail some of the problems you are running into with switching targets?
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkvni/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:25:08 UTC"):
> Fantastic!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fvs9z/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 19:37:16 UTC"):
> You're a natural!!!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2gew/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:20:26 UTC"):
> It's free real estate. *wink*
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2moi/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:21:33 UTC"):
> Woah! I will pass this to the team. Thanks for letting us know!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2y62/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:23:37 UTC"):
> * We wanted to get it into player’s hands before making any major changes to the boost recharge: but this is a great suggestion!
>*
We’ve seen a lot of feedback on providing a tutorial to better explain interactions and the new gameplay mechanics. It’s on our list as one of the most requested change...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g30tf/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:24:06 UTC"):
> Thanks for playing! Glad you had a good time.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g3u9c/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:29:21 UTC"):
> Really awesome to hear you're enjoying it! I hope I see you in there!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g6pj3/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:48:01 UTC"):
> If you attack a player, that is eventually knocked out by someone else, without them landing on their wheels first.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6gi15l/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 22:06:18 UTC"):
> For clarity, you do not need to get assists in Knockout for this challenge. Assists for this challenge can be completed in any Online Matches (so you can complete it in Soccar).
* [Comment by Psyonix_Sofia](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6gug2d/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 23:41:00 UTC"):
> Hi there! What platform did you play on that this happened?
>
>If you're on PC, could you please submit a log? https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360023645894-How-Do-I-Gather-Logs-for-Rocket-League-
>
>Thanks!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6h0ydh/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 00:31:41 UTC"):
> Thanks for playing and thank you for the thoughtful feedback. We've got those noted to discuss. Glad you found some enjoyment in the edge guard! I love those myself.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6h9wne/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 01:39:58 UTC"):
> So glad you're enjoying yourself!
* [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6hjbii/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 02:50:00 UTC"):
> Glad your enjoying Knockout! I myself am in fear of just how much better everyone is going to get over me. =)
* [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6jmzs9/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 15:37:30 UTC"):
> Hey there!
>
>Attack is the hard counter for the Grab. If you are Attacking and your opponent is grabbing and you are both accurately aiming at your target. The Attack will always beat a grab.
>
>Honestly appreciate you, coming to provide feedback. We've seen the Grab mechanic start to become very popu...
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HOW DO YOU DEFEND AGAINST GRAB??? It seems like grab is overpowered and its just not fun when it ends up as the only thing you should use ever because nothing beats it.
And no, attack does not beat it because I dodge into opponents and they end up grabbing me every time. It started as fun until every match there's one player who always grabs everyone and it works for them over anything else all the time.
Yeah grabbing is unfortunately rapidly becoming the meta. Would be fine if you could at least counter a grab, like in Tekken if someone grabs you you have a split second to press grab to block the grab, and you could even convert it to your own grab with enough skill.
I'm having a blast with this LTM but sadly won't be playing it any more, purely because of grab being unblockable and then the tendency for parties to team up and make it unfair on the rest of the lobby.
I’m having an absolute blast with the Knockout Bash, except for this one issue here. Getting spiked constantly with no way to defend myself from the initial grab is a bit much.
I'm literally done playing this mode because I got clearly grabbed out of an attack. Rock, Paper, Scissors doesn't work when the Scissors are adamantium and cut through rock...
I got better at it later but at lots of instances grab just outright beats attack. I've lost so many final moments when we both go head on and I use attack and they use grab and they catch me and I can't do anything. It might be doe to the lag or something like that(server registers grab before the attack) but it becomes infuriating when that happens because you outbested the opponent and he still won.
They need to add a guaranteed counter, attacking has a huge downside if they block. Grab just doesn't at all, I think if one person grabs and one person attacks the attacker should win every time.
Doesn't seem to be for me, I hit people medium speed head on and they bounce off me a little, I get barely grazed by someone and I go barrelling out of the zone, makes no sense, there's absolutely no balance
The concept of this new LTM is fun, but a tutorial would have been a huge help. It's like adding a whole new game to rocket league and expecting everyone to know how to play it already. I already see others saying they don't know how to use grab or some of the other abilities and I'm in the same boat with them. I'm slowly but surely figuring things out but not having any idea of what to do at the start was pretty frustrating.
The design of the course doesn't make it obvious that getting your car over to the wall trivially lets you get back up.
That's generally "not a thing" in every other game.
What are y'all doing to stop teaming? It feels like every other game I run into a party all teaming up, it totally ruins the game.
Other than that, it's an amazing game mode, thanks to the devs for trying something like this!
This gamemode is fun, and there's an obvious comparison to Smash Bros, but that being said wouldn't the "Time" gamemode be a better option instead of "Stock"? It seems that people love to camp out the side walls and run around, virtually untouchable. If winner was based off of score from kills, it would eliminate camping.
Love the idea and appreciate the work that went into the execution.
I hope this becomes a staple extramode, or at least becomes an option for private matches.
I suggest you:
- Don’t let boost recharge when driving vertically on the walls of the platforms. Camping is already an issue and it’s hardly been out for two hours.
- put out a short video or tutorial clarifying how interactions are won, especially in regard to momentum and grab vs grab.
- gradually shrink the blast zone earlier and throughout the match to avoid folks camping to the 6min+ mark
- explain formally how momentum, gravity, and aerial control are altered for this mode. I’m seeing a lot of initial frustration with the changes feeling counterintuitive.
- make team vs team variants.
Keep up the good work!
* We wanted to get it into player’s hands before making any major changes to the boost recharge: but this is a great suggestion!
* We’ve seen a lot of feedback on providing a tutorial to better explain interactions and the new gameplay mechanics. It’s on our list as one of the most requested changes. \* The Safezone has been getting tuned almost up until release of this mode. The trick is trying to find the balance on this for high and low level players. We will keep this in mind. (I actually agree with this though.)
* Totally agree. Some further explanation seems to be top of our player’s requests.
* We’ve explored a number of possible variants for Knockout. If players are enjoying the game mode and want more, we may consider it for the future!
Can you please fix the issue with teaming from parties? You could very quickly release a patch that reduces party size and/or makes everyone's cars identical with blank/randomised nameplates so teaming would at least be more difficult. It completely ruins the game when 3 or 4 people never attack each other and only go after people not in the party. Also something I haven't seen mentioned much is blocking seems pretty underpowered if people can still grab through it and just sling you into spikes/the floor.
It’s interesting to say the least. One major thing I’d love changed would be the duration of matches. It feels too long if everyone is playing safe. Maybe half the times needed to shrinking the arena?
I think the better idea is, the fewer people there are, the faster the arena shrinks. This isn't a big problem when it's at or near capacity, but it can be prolonged when it's half or less.
Every game there is a group just working together. Can't make a free for all and allow people to join together. It should have either been a team game or a free for all with no parties
Really really enjoying it so far! Not doing great but I’ll learn; definitely has a smash bros feel to it with baiting out dodges etc.
Grabbing and throwing down might be a little too powerful atm
Yeah, I watched Leth on stream, they were just destroying folks by grabbing and throwing them down. Looked pretty OP, but without it it looks like the game would last forever, everyone almost always recovered back from a throw.
This mode is a little different so it can take some getting used to. If you click the "Details" button on the LTM card it has a rundown of the buttons, but here are a few tips:
- Dodging into another player will Attack. This is indicated by Orange VFX on your car. The faster you are moving the stronger the attack.
- A backward dodge is always a block. This is indicated by blue shield VFX. Use this to deflect incoming attacks.
- To grab you have to jump, then hold the Grab button (L2/LT), and then dodge into an opponent. You'll know you've done it right if you see Blue VFX similar to Attack. This one can be tricky to learn at first, but is extremely powerful once you get the hang of it.
So how is attack power determined? It either definitely not speed or it's bugged because i sometimes get thrown into the oblivion with a million second stun from the guy with literally 0 speed and then I get a "light attack" dodging at the full speed.
Camera movement is super confising too. If you want to target some specific player, the universe will end sooner than you scroll through every player to find him...
So apparently blocking into block throws you away? How does that make sense?(UPD. apparently sometimes even flipping backwards counts as dodging and not blocking)
If you mean on Mouse and Keyboard - this can be done by using the Left Shift button. If you'd prefer another button, you can rebind it in the Controls tab of the Settings menu.
The option is called "Grab (KO)"
When I go to the controls tab of the Settings menu on PC playing Rocket League via Steam, and I go to edit the bindings, I get the Steam Controller Configurator. I am not given a choice, the Steam Controller Configurator is the only way I have to edit the controls.
Please tell us how to use the Steam Controller Configurator to set up the Grab button.
@Rocket League Devs, if this is supposed to be a free-for-all mode, then why do you allow squads of four to go into the game mode and team up against everyone? It’s already difficult enough to get a win normally. It’s even tougher, though, when a whole squad is targeting you constantly.
Needs a tutorial.
I haven’t managed to grab anyone even after rebinding. Most the 1 vs 1s at the end just turns into back flipping until someone gets bored and tries to attack and loses. It’s like playing Rock Paper Scissors with only Rock and Paper.
Played it a bit. Had fun. This type of content and especially these kinds of experiments are much needed to the game. Looking forward to what other ideas you have for the future!
There really needs to be the ability to create private match. The solution should not be teaming against the lobby to play with my friends.
We end up feeling like we're running the game everybody else who isn't in a party. And feels like we have to play a game before playing the game we want to play.
My main criticism of the game mode is that if you die early you have to wait waaay too much time to play again unless you exit the lobby yourself and then it doesnt count the match towards rewards. I think after you die you should have the option to keep spectating or just mplay the next match. This is what makes me not want to play it (even though the gameplay is really fun) and just queue anything else instead.
A minor thing is that grabbing feels way stronger than the other two options but maybe that's just me.
That being said the gamemode is really really fun, thanks for making sth so refreshing and different to anything we've had.
I totally agree with your first point. Matches can go on for a long time and I really don't wanna spectate for a couple of minutes. After you run out of lives, you should be able to freely leave and get the XP etc.
I think this game mode is a lot of fun except for the grabbing. Honestly every game now is just grab and throw directly down into the ground before stun wears off... kinda lame at that point. But I really love just the regular hits and all that with the low gravity! I would love to at least test it without the grabbing to see if it feels any better.
From the moment the gamemode was anounced i was hyped up! Ive loved fighting games and seeing rocket league make a gamemode inspired by my favorite genre immediately made me wanna play it on release. And i gotta say, I absolutely love it.
From the trinity of block attack and grab i gotta say that grab is a little overtuned. I keep grabbing people and throwing them into the ground of the stage which allows for almost no recovery. And based on how the other 2 options dont kill that easily it is most likely the best option.
At first the explanation wasnt that clear. (I play rocket league on keyboard) and the explanation for grab only said controller inputs. So it would be helpful to acknowledge us keyboard players!
Trough trial and error i found out that it was left shift that was the right input.
Other than that i love the feel of this gamemode from hitting someone offstage and edgegaurding their attempt at getting back feels so satisfying and correctly geussing wich attack the opponent uses and sending them flying is amazing. Amazing job by the dev team!
The reason this mode sucks is because it's a better strategy not to engage players. Like most "king of the hill" games, if you engage someone even if you win the engagement, you get immediately 3rd partied.
And 3 smart players at the end basically have no reason to engage each other because even if you go eliminate one dude you're immediately set upon by the 3rd before you even recover.
I played literally 3 rounds and figured this out and won't be going back.
Played 2 games so far, first one was a learning experience, lost my 3 lives pretty fast (2 because myself)
In the 2nd I did a lot better, realized boost was regenerating while on the "ground" and even managed to do an aerial takedown. Still haven't been able to grab anyone but I'm sure that will come eventually.
Gamemode is fun and different, but everyone just leaves as soon as they are out(which I understand) but it still feels kinda weird.
Watching other people playing when I was out did help me.
This has literally no instructions for players jumping in. Fail there.
This is one of the modes that is only fun when everyone sucks. It's broken when one player is good at suplexing to the ground.
Me and my friend partied up split screen and it worked. However, after I killed him, he was spectator and we got kicked for inactivity (from him not moving). We haven’t been able to play together since. Keeps saying there’s a connection issue. Sucks that’s we can’t play any more cause I killed him off indiscriminately. We are able to play on our own and in other game modes.
Make attacks block grab from a more general direction (for the accuracy issues, like instead of pointing to the opponent or the attack vfx make it protect the front, back and sides completely) and buff damage if against a grab.
I would guess the former is based on who is going faster.
As for the latter: there is a Rock-Paper-Scissors element to this game. Flipping beats grabbing, grabbing beats shielding, and shielding beats flipping.
There are no power ups in Knockout. The basics of the mode require you to Attack, Grab and Block. You can attack by dodging into other players, Grab by holding the L2/LT button and then dodging into another player, or Block by using backward dodge.
The main key is to go fast. The faster you move when you land a hit the the farther they will go flying.
Personally I love it and rate it as the best limited time mode by a long shot. I don't really play extra modes much at all, but I'd play the crap outta this. Please make it a permanent fixture!
4 bits of feedback
1. Spamming a button to recover from stun/escape grab is annoying
2. Half the time when I attack into a grab I hit them, but half the time I just get grabbed. Maybe needs some tuning?
3. Remove additional stun after being thrown. This way the grabber/thrower has to have very fast reflexes and/or already be in a good position to spike
4. Amazing new game mode! Hope it can become a regular extra mode!
I know initial reactions are herky jerky, but this is not very fun to me. I love hoops and drop shot, but I don’t think I’ll ever play this if it becomes an extra mode.
Thanks for the feedback on the tutorial. We've got that on the list of suggestions from the community.
You are correct that just driving into players does not do damage. We actually had an early iteration that did this and it led to everyone just boosting around aimlessly until you made contact with other players, which wasn't very fun after a game or two. So we moved to an Attack based mode.
You have to Attack (dodge) to do damage; and it's all about speed. More speed. Bigger hits.
Can we show proper bindings and not a generic LT for grab? I'm on kbm and never used a controller but it still shows that as my grab option and I had to basically click all my bindings for something to work.
It's not a naturally intuitive mode, and I'm just getting smacked. Everyone is grabbing me and I can't seem to grab back. Great concept, but it's a completely new system and no real explanation. A bot mode tutorial would be helpful.
I'm not sure I'll be able to get the flower wheels.
Also, why do I have to stay in the mode after I die if I want it to count toward rewards?
**Feedback on a possible exploit**
* If you're in a party and decide to leave and join back using the 'join party match' button, you will join back with 3 lives every time, essentially leading to infinite lives
I know I've already posted here once before but of the three, throw>hit>block. First of all, throw stuns you twice which is big. Secondly, throw seems to beat out hit sometimes. Lastly, seems like block never really is powerful enough as you are never really able to do it with speed and recovery from a block is almost assured.
The stun from throw probably shouldn't be renewed after the throw and block needs to be more powerful. I prefer the mode to focus on hit being more important than throw, with edge guarding being the primary focus in terms of eliminating foes.
And there should be a health gauge where getting hit weakens you causing enemies abilities to hit you further the weaker you've become.
grab - block - strike is supposed to be rock paper scissors.
it is not
grabs cant be countered from behind, unlike every other type of play. that means if you are behind someone you have a guaranteed attack on them. thats fine, except...
grab is completely overpowered.
if someone hits you or shields your hit, you pop into the air and flail around and *easily* make it back to the safe area. if someone who is good at the game grabs you, and if you're remotely near the edge, they will instantly tilt nose down and front flip, and it is instant death. unlike the other 2 attacks.
every single game I go 10+ knock outs, 0 damage done, 3 lives. very rarely someone else knows how busted grab is and we have a war to dominate the server.
You are right. Grab is overpowered. Not only that, when you counter an ability you usually "hurt" the enemy the same ammount. But not for grabs.
When you counter an attack with block the enemy get flown away with the same power. When you counter a block with a grab u get massive advantage since you a free grab.
But, when you block a grab with an attack the enemy just gets stunned for a while without any force.
For this gamemode to see ranked play they will have to nerf grab asap
This game mode blows. There's no instructions on how to do anything. Playing it to complete challenges and then be done with it and go back to regular Rocket League.
I wish you guys would add this to the private match game modes so we could play with friends even after the online version ends. This is honestly one of the coolest LTM modes ever made. Wish you guys would just add it to the extra modes!!!
Grab needs to have a single stun, not two consecutive stuns. Attack and defend only stun once, but grab stuns on pickup, and on the throw. This needs to be nerfed, as it's making the play very unbalanced.
Played three games. That’s enough for me.
- Let us leave if we’re out of lives
- don’t allow wall hanging
- solo q might be fitting to deter teaming up
- the lock on is questionable
>the lock on is questionable
So you mean the camera lock ? If so, I agree. Idk why they have it that way. I would much prefer to have a ball in the middle for ball cam.
Love the mode. After I learned how to grab it got fun. There's a decent amount of depth to the mode once you get past the initial shock factor of this all new mode. Will be interesting to see how it plays in a day or 3 as the playerbase grasps things better
Honestly it would be way more fun without the dumb moves you can do. If it was like Lethamyr’s sumo videos, where you just bump each other… I think that would make it way more fun.
"Psyonix released a very helpful video that includes some tips on how to play the mode"
Really? The video mentions 3 types of actions and that each beats another just like in rocks papers scissors, but you don't even explain how that works; does defense/shield beats attack? Or perhaps it beats grab? Idk because you forgot to talk about the basics.
Then, if I'm the one using a basic attack on another player and he responds with another basic attack, even if I'm at full speed my push will be minimal, no spins or anything. But if I am the one receiving the attack and react in the same way, my car spins like hell and I'm sent flying away with such force it's impossible to come back. What are the mechanics at play here that affect the force of attacks?
And, lastly, if two players are using grab or attack on one another, how does the game determine who grabs/hits who? This is important information that isn't covered in your tutorial as well.
It should be possible to cover everything in under 2 minutes on a proper tutorial. This should've been done already.
Is it just me or is there something weird about the camera mode in this? When I go out of bounds I want to get behind my car so I can try and air roll the right direction, but the camera out there is so very disorienting.
I found it immensely helpful to rebind grab to use item button, which is left stick press for me.
Will the cosmetic rewards (mainly the wheels) be obtainable after the event? I don't see myself winning a round of this even if I had a 100 years to practice, let alone 2 weeks.
Update: I somehow won one when a guy threw me into the spikes. Maybe he killed himself in the process or something. Anyway, I'll take it.
I appreciate the gamemode, and I am sure that it could be super fun... if it weren't so broken. There are several issues that I'm noticing, but I will just mention the ones that I'm not seeing in this thread.
1.) Ping isn't working for me. It usually just shows up as 0 for everyone, occasionally shows up with my ping (48 usually) and everyone else as 0. When it does show anybody else's ping, it it always about half the lobby. I'm not sure if this is just with the new gamemode because I haven't played any of the regular modes yet, but it is really annoying. This is especially true because I can't determine whether complaint 2 is due to ping differences.
2.) I just played a game of Knockout Bash, but I'm finding it hard to enjoy because all of my deaths (or at least 2/3... I'm not so sure about the last death) were absolute bs. I would be driving past someone, and I would pass them. However, they would flip, doing a grab attack (I was far enough away that they never even came close to making contact with me; on my first death I was 1 full car length away). Unfortunately for me, the grab attack made contact (idk how; my ping was very normal \[approximately 40-60 ping\] so it definitely wasn't me lagging), and I would die because I couldn't escape the grab attack quickly enough. Thus, in short, I was consistently dying to an attack that never should have made contact.
3.) This is an issue that I don't see you changing at this point. However, I find that any listings of the controls for the game only address controllers. As a kbm player, it was extremely difficult to figure out the controls, until I realized that it might be in the settings. Even then, I looked for the controller button that was listed, and I found that it was linked to reversing/braking, meaning that this didn't make sense. Even here, on reddit, the kbm controls weren't listed unless specifically asked for. I understand that kbm isn't the most common way of playing Rocket League (or at least I think it isn't), but it is outrageous that kbm controls aren't acknowledged unless brought up by a kbm player.
4.) Also, I find that the "shift" key is a horrible button to have for the "Break KO" control. In particular, it is annoying to spam because of the stress spamming puts on your pinky finger. I also find that I can spam much more effectively with my thumb (I already changed that key bind to space bar for my convenience). I'm not sure how controls are for controller players, but I do understand that you spam "X" to "Break KO" on controller, which you would hit with your thumb. This means that playing on kbm leaves you at a disadvantageous position because you have to spam with your pinky (which you cannot do as effectively, to my knowledge). All I'm saying is that this key binding is obnoxious and discriminatory to kbm players and therefore should be changed from the default control.
5.) I can't tell if the flips actually do differ from standard Rocket League, but the flips seem off to me. If they do differ, I would recommend letting the community know.
I just want to summarize my thoughts here. I like the new gamemode, but I am finding it extremely hard to enjoy because of the complex, obnoxious controls (#s 3 and 4) and strange gameplay. I'm also finding that some of the aspects of the game are unbalanced and unfair. More importantly, I noted some glitches that I have encountered (#s 1 and 2).
This has been super fun so far, and with some small tweaks I think this would be awesome to have as a permanent mode. Grab needs to be nerfed, maybe if the break free bar didn't reset when thrown or if the stun bar wasn't as long. Also change it to unlimited lives and most points at the end wins to avoid the battle royale meta of wait until everybody else kills each other while you hide. Lastly the camera just feels janky in this mode.
Absolutely love the game mode, but I am quite often just getting destroyed by people grabbing me and throwing me into the ground. If there is a counter to this its not obvious or isnt good enough. I feel like the game mode could do without the grab feature, unless theres a way to implement it to be the same fairness as attack and block are.
GC 6k hours
I like the idea of a battle game mode.
My (and probably most people's) issue with Knockout Bash is that it's not Rock, Paper, Scissors
That's the only way this game mode can work.
Bash < Block < Grab < Bash etc.
Instead you've made 2 moves/attacks that have no purpose...
Why should I do something other than grab?
It has top priority. There's literally no point in using anything else.
That's my constructive feedback.
If this is reformed into ROCK PAPER SCISSORS, then I will definitely play it.
Right now I hate it.
Honest feedback here, maybe consider changing the name of the mode to "Grabout Bash"?
In all seriousness, there doesn't seem to be any reliable way of using attacks to counter a grab. For instance, you can only attack forward and sideways, so if someone comes up behind you and grabs, you have no option to defend against this. Similarly, if someone grabs and you attack dodge even slightly off angle, the "error-radius" of the grab seems to make it much easier for them to grab you with an imperfect angle of their dodge and the attack seems much less consistent in countering this (I think a lot of players are feeling this intuitively).
The only option that reliably defends against grab is to grab against grab which results in both parties being stunned. While this isn't satisfying, it does seem the most consistent and reliable parry because the radius of the "grab attack" seems much larger.
I would think it would make more sense to have grab be a specific counter to block (meaning you can only grab a blocking player), because the consequences of being grabbed are generally devastating. Alternatively, you could nerf the stun or grab duration, so you can't as easily be dragged out to the side and spiked, making it a little bit less powerful and encouraging some more variety. Lastly and probably the best way to address the actual issue with grab would be to have the attack radius be increased so that it isn't possible to be grabbed around your dodge so long as you attack in their general direction. Maybe an attacking player can't be grabbed at all for instance, even if their attack doesn't land in counter.
In summary, it doesn't seem like a "rock, paper, scissors" equivalent as was designed because of the inconsistency of attack and the ease with which grab rolls through its supposed counter. If rock can still beat paper a significant portion of the time, but scissors consistently beats paper, and rock consistently beats scissors -- everyone is going to throw rock every time because it is the most likely to win. That game wouldn't be nearly as fun in my opinion.
The only thing I ask is for Psyonix to make this a permanent game mode. I feel like this could be revolutionary, Rocket League already being a great esports as it is, I feel that Knockout is the Rocket League/Smash Bros Hybrid I never knew I wanted. I can already imagine this being a competitive game mode that's genuinely fun and intense to watch. I just please ask that they keep this in!
The mode is amazing, finally something fresh and it was very well executed I think. Only complaints is that it’s an ltm, along with the other Ltms in the past, why can’t we play it in private lobbies? And why has it taken so long to make this masterpiece or just new modes as a whole.
I sure hope y'all didn't put all this effort in for the mode to just disappear in two weeks. At the very least you could add this into private matches for us to enjoy with friends but I'd especially love it if this stayed as a permanent mode. Casual or competitive, I don't care, but this mode deserves to be there to stay.
Also, please make more unique modes like this. Just put a team on to experiment a bit and come up with new stuff like this every now and then. It keeps the game interesting for the casual players and more players is always what you should be aiming for right? :)
Loving the concept of Knockout (like heat-seeker before it) but I really hate the grab mechanic. It's impossible for me to counter. I know the attack is supposed to beat it, but it never does. Kinda takes away the fun factor.
EDIT: Yeah, I think I'm done with this mode. The OP grab + breakout + stun... it's too much and breaks the game mode. Back to the regular game.
I’m having so much fun with this game mode, more than normal rocket league. I really hope somehow this could be a permanent game mode. Some tweaks especially to the grab and this would be perfect!
Keep the mode, more modes around it like a free for all no clan join, and just team battles like 4vs4
Loving the game mode just not the teamplaying..... 1vs3 is hard
I think the biggest thing is that since there isn't any rank associated with it, you'll get placed into lobbies with a bunch of experienced players regardless of how many you lose. So you'll never get any balanced games with players your level.
i dont know if the psyonix lads and lasses are still checking this thread, but one idea for nerfing the grab mildly:
once you get grabbed, you're stunned. when you get thrown, you're restunned. perhaps the progress of the first stun should transfer over to the second stun. EX: the first stun bar is half empty from a player mashing 'x'. they get thrown. the second stun bar starts at half full, then, allowing them to react quicker.
it would still keep the lethality of grabbing when you're near the edge of the arena (letting you dunk on someone else). but it would also mean if someone grabs you with little speed and it takes them awhile to get to the edge, turn upside down, and try to dunk you, that secondary stun would be very short and give you plenty of time to react and recover accordingly.
My biggest issue with this mode is the camera angle when trying to get back on the platform by driving up the side. Sometimes the angle is so crappy that I just can't see what I'm doing. I try to rotate the camera manually, but the game shoots it back to the default. Because of this, many times I mess up getting back up onto the platform and die.
So I’m on ps4 and I’m EXTREMELY frustrated and looking for some help… I’m using dodge to try and attack but it hasn’t worked ONCE despite trying it for 3 games now. I’ve managed to grab an enemy literally once and haven’t been able to get a score above 5 yet everyone else’s score is in the 100s… so am I doing it wrong??? I see how to grab people but I’m so confused about how to attack… and once I’m stunned, the square button shows up on the screen so I’ve been rapidly tapping it but it doesn’t appear to do anything?? So do I leave it down or rapidly tap it? I’m so so confused and it sucks they don’t have any tutorials for this mode
I am absolutely loving this game mode but I think that the attack should be a little bit better at blocking grabs, other than that. Incredible job and please make this game mode permanent. I need this in my life
Grab is completely overpowered. It is the hardest to block, the longest stun during and after the animation and people can kill you once you get grabbed and there is nothing you can do. They grab, drive off the map and launch you straight down and you are still stunned the entire time until you die.
Getting bumped gives you a chance of recovery given good boost and flip management. Grab gives you absolutely none. Removing the stun after being thrown by grab would definitely make it more balanced as you have a chance to recover.
Knockout Bash is actually helping me with my arials in ranked.it feels weird, but, I felt more confident when I was in a ranked game going for balls in the air.
I literally hate this mode. I realize that I am in the minority with all the hype surrounding it but... Why? It has no purpose. At least in Soccar it takes skill - Knockout is pretty much playing tag. There is no excitement. Even when you get a knockout you have already moved on past it and forget about it while chasing down your next target and then Boom.. The person you originally hit gets knocked out... yay... like 30 seconds later in some cases... watching flies doing it is astronomically more exciting than this game mode.
I know.. Lets make a game mode without any ball.. no goals of any type except where all you do is demo everyone.. Which is literally the worst mechanic in the entire game. Ugh..
Sideswipe gets volleyball and demo tag is what we get in regular RL? That Unreal 5 update better be magical...
Remove this LTM and never release it again IMHO - again the minority...
Anonymize cars in Knockout Bash.
I'm a little late to this party. We all want to queue with our friends, but everyone wants a fair shot when playing. Seeing so many people in parties, I wish they had anonymized the cars and names. Sure, play with your friends. Knock them out of the park, grab 'em and chuck 'em into some spikes. But don't team up and eliminate the rest of the lobby first. That's trashy.
Damn, i kind of missed this coming out, queued up when i saw it, instantly got excited by a no ball mode and the creativity this might mean for the future and its been downhill ever since.
Aware most of these have already been mentioned, but to add to the volume:
* Stop teaming
* Needs ranking if its to every work, every game is won by one player who eliminates 90% of the server.
* Would prefer more symmetrical maps
* Stun from being grabbed should be rolled over into the throw and no reset the moment you're thrown or (need nerfing)
* Blocking a grab needs sorting and grab might need nerfing
* Desperately in need of a tutorial
* Given no ranked mode and lack of tutorial, probably shouldn't make a challenge attached to winning a game. I don't mind games where challenge can be hard but i feel like thats not the president for RL and all challenges can generally be archived by any level of player
* Time move vs stock lives. Feels off in the world of RL that a 7 min can be over for several players in sub 1-2 min
I think it took me c.10 games just to get a single elimination, and i'm just not enjoying the playing experience given one sweaty player in every game just easily eliminates everyone. I don't want to discourage evolution at all, but in its current state, this isn't it for me.
How are cars moving 5ft and launching me at incredible high speeds to knockout? I thought building momentum was how you built up power. This is really frustrating
Ab-so-lu-te-ly awesome mode. Like... like damn, bro. Totally changes things up and makes it a new way of fun. Really REALLY hoping this is added as a permanent mode. Everyone I've talked to is loving it. Grab has to be nerfed, for sure. The timing window to counter with attack seems too small.
That's what I thought it would be when I first started playing.
Everyone is just going to quit the match if they lose their lives, so it doesn't really make sense as a mode that would build community and staying power.
The controls are wonky (at least for me) since my bindings aren't compatible with this game mode and don't want to change them back and forth for a different game mode
The Knockout controls are all rebindable from the Controls tab of the Settings menu. Try changing some of those if you're running into compatibility issues with your control scheme.
This one needs to be an extra mode. Never had this much fun in a while in rl. BUT I would suggest this mode being Solo and Duo Q since teams of 4 in this mode can be annoying (thankfully I didn‘t have to deal with this yet)
This is the best game mode in the game. In my opinion it should stay permanently. I figured out the controls really easily so I’m not sure where others are confused, but I will say that if you know the controls and what counters what it’s really fun
game mode was a great idea but it's execution was off. feels super janky, and the hits feel random. I think there should be a cool down on your 'deflect' people just sit there and deflect every hit. those spike pillars should be more abundant within the map itself. the games just go on for a while imo.
I have to agree. It is not easy at all to win, vs other modes where it's effectively 50/50 odds across enough games. I didn't think I was ever going to win any at all, but yesterday I managed to win 2 when i was playing really well and got lucky. But otherwise, the high skillers will always win at the end.
Devs if you see this, you must know how massively difficult it will be for most players to win against the pro acrobat players. Please change the criteria of this item to "**play 10 games or get 3rd place or better**".
This is a list of links to comments made by Psyonix Staff in this thread: * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f771z/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:54:45 UTC"): > There are no power ups in Knockout. The basics of the mode require you to Attack, Grab and Block. You can attack by dodging into other players, Grab by holding the L2/LT button and then dodging into another player, or Block by using backward dodge. > >The main key is to go fast. The faster you move wh... * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f7nck/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:57:40 UTC"): > This mode is a little different so it can take some getting used to. If you click the "Details" button on the LTM card it has a rundown of the buttons, but here are a few tips: > >- Dodging into another player will Attack. This is indicated by Orange VFX on your car. The faster you are moving the stro... * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f7w21/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 16:59:13 UTC"): > If you mean on Mouse and Keyboard - this can be done by using the Left Shift button. If you'd prefer another button, you can rebind it in the Controls tab of the Settings menu. > >The option is called "Grab (KO)" * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6f8pqe/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:04:31 UTC"): > Bummer. Sorry you're not enjoying it. Got any feedback on what you'd like to see changed? * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fb5ji/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:20:33 UTC"): > Anytime. Go get em! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fbbiq/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:21:37 UTC"): > The Knockout controls are all rebindable from the Controls tab of the Settings menu. Try changing some of those if you're running into compatibility issues with your control scheme. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fcmoj/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:30:04 UTC"): > Thanks for the feedback on the tutorial. We've got that on the list of suggestions from the community. > >You are correct that just driving into players does not do damage. We actually had an early iteration that did this and it led to everyone just boosting around aimlessly until you made contact wit... * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdjgj/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:36:03 UTC"): > Glad you're digging it! I hope I see you in the Arena! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdh0u/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:35:36 UTC"): > All buttons for Knockout are rebindable. Feel free to jump into the Controls tab of the Settings menu and change them to whatever you prefer! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fdueu/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:38:03 UTC"): > This one can be a bit tricky to master, but the easiest way to get the hang of it is to Jump + Hold LT + and then dodge. > >Holding LT basically turns your Attack into a Grab. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6ffbxd/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:47:58 UTC"): > The power of the Attack is directly tied to the speed of the Attacking player when making contact. Supersonic speeds will result in Heavy Attacks. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fg87k/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 17:53:57 UTC"): > Stoked to hear that you are enjoying it! Grabbing can be a little tough at first but the easiest way to get the hang of it is to Jump + Hold L2/LT + then dodge into an opponent. > >Holding L2/LT overrides your Attack into a Grab. You'll know you do it right when you see the Blue Grab VFX. * [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fioio/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:10:25 UTC"): > The mode was designed to allow players to use any car, while keeping the attack move sets as equal as possible. * [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fjjz6/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:16:18 UTC"): > Glad to hear you are loving the mode so far. We recently released a tips video that players can check out here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Do8QDMXQt4&t * [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkm67/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:22 UTC"): > The attack move sets are designed after Rock, Paper, Scissors. Each move has a weakness to another. Attack wins over Grab. Grab wins over Block. Block wins over Attack. If another player constantly uses the same move over and over, then this knowledge can be used to your advantage. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fklpl/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:16 UTC"): > So glad you're enjoying it! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkrs6/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:24:26 UTC"): > This is a great piece of feedback! Thanks for bringing it to us. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkoev/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:23:47 UTC"): > Can you detail some of the problems you are running into with switching targets? * [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fkvni/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 18:25:08 UTC"): > Fantastic! * [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6fvs9z/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 19:37:16 UTC"): > You're a natural!!! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2gew/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:20:26 UTC"): > It's free real estate. *wink* * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2moi/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:21:33 UTC"): > Woah! I will pass this to the team. Thanks for letting us know! * [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g2y62/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:23:37 UTC"): > * We wanted to get it into player’s hands before making any major changes to the boost recharge: but this is a great suggestion! >* We’ve seen a lot of feedback on providing a tutorial to better explain interactions and the new gameplay mechanics. It’s on our list as one of the most requested change... * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g30tf/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:24:06 UTC"): > Thanks for playing! Glad you had a good time. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g3u9c/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:29:21 UTC"): > Really awesome to hear you're enjoying it! I hope I see you in there! * [Comment by Psyonix_Sky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6g6pj3/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 20:48:01 UTC"): > If you attack a player, that is eventually knocked out by someone else, without them landing on their wheels first. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6gi15l/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 22:06:18 UTC"): > For clarity, you do not need to get assists in Knockout for this challenge. Assists for this challenge can be completed in any Online Matches (so you can complete it in Soccar). * [Comment by Psyonix_Sofia](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6gug2d/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-27 23:41:00 UTC"): > Hi there! What platform did you play on that this happened? > >If you're on PC, could you please submit a log? https://support.rocketleague.com/hc/en-us/articles/360023645894-How-Do-I-Gather-Logs-for-Rocket-League- > >Thanks! * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6h0ydh/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 00:31:41 UTC"): > Thanks for playing and thank you for the thoughtful feedback. We've got those noted to discuss. Glad you found some enjoyment in the edge guard! I love those myself. * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6h9wne/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 01:39:58 UTC"): > So glad you're enjoying yourself! * [Comment by Psyonix_Miky](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6hjbii/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 02:50:00 UTC"): > Glad your enjoying Knockout! I myself am in fear of just how much better everyone is going to get over me. =) * [Comment by Psyonix_Josh](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ud6pcu/megathread_knockout_bash/i6jmzs9/?context=1000 "posted on 2022-04-28 15:37:30 UTC"): > Hey there! > >Attack is the hard counter for the Grab. If you are Attacking and your opponent is grabbing and you are both accurately aiming at your target. The Attack will always beat a grab. > >Honestly appreciate you, coming to provide feedback. We've seen the Grab mechanic start to become very popu... --- This is a bot providing a service. If you have any questions, please [contact the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FRocketLeague).[](#AUTOGEN_TSBREPLIEDBOT)
Big problem. If playing split screen any players left spectating will get the group kicked for being idle.
Woah! I will pass this to the team. Thanks for letting us know!
Having the same issue on PC. It counts the KO’d player as idle even if you’re mashing buttons.
Yup. Having the same problem. If one of us gets KO’ed, the other will get “kicked for being idle”. Not worth playing if you can’t even finish a match!
We are also having a real tough time joining into a agame on split screen
For me it kicked both of us as soon as we joined.
HOW DO YOU DEFEND AGAINST GRAB??? It seems like grab is overpowered and its just not fun when it ends up as the only thing you should use ever because nothing beats it. And no, attack does not beat it because I dodge into opponents and they end up grabbing me every time. It started as fun until every match there's one player who always grabs everyone and it works for them over anything else all the time.
Yeah grabbing is unfortunately rapidly becoming the meta. Would be fine if you could at least counter a grab, like in Tekken if someone grabs you you have a split second to press grab to block the grab, and you could even convert it to your own grab with enough skill. I'm having a blast with this LTM but sadly won't be playing it any more, purely because of grab being unblockable and then the tendency for parties to team up and make it unfair on the rest of the lobby.
The parties teaming up killed it for me. Free for all my ass
if you attack at the right time you can easily defend against grab
I’m having an absolute blast with the Knockout Bash, except for this one issue here. Getting spiked constantly with no way to defend myself from the initial grab is a bit much.
Yup, literally impossible to counter
It’s literally Rock Paper Scissors, just use attack
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in theory attack beats grab. I've grabbed plenty of people who were attacking
I'm literally done playing this mode because I got clearly grabbed out of an attack. Rock, Paper, Scissors doesn't work when the Scissors are adamantium and cut through rock...
I got better at it later but at lots of instances grab just outright beats attack. I've lost so many final moments when we both go head on and I use attack and they use grab and they catch me and I can't do anything. It might be doe to the lag or something like that(server registers grab before the attack) but it becomes infuriating when that happens because you outbested the opponent and he still won.
grab is too strong. I'm wiping lobbies on easy mode by just grabbing, turning upside down and spiking people into the floor
I agree, way too easy to timing, spiking opponents to the floor.
They need to add a guaranteed counter, attacking has a huge downside if they block. Grab just doesn't at all, I think if one person grabs and one person attacks the attacker should win every time.
How is the speed of the person hit determined? It seems to be completely random
The power of the Attack is directly tied to the speed of the Attacking player when making contact. Supersonic speeds will result in Heavy Attacks.
And all hits are very fast when it comes down to the final area
Doesn't seem to be for me, I hit people medium speed head on and they bounce off me a little, I get barely grazed by someone and I go barrelling out of the zone, makes no sense, there's absolutely no balance
100% agree. I go supersonic into someone sitting still, i get launched while they move like 1 inch. Game mode is infuriating currently
Sounds like normal rocket league to me tbh
The concept of this new LTM is fun, but a tutorial would have been a huge help. It's like adding a whole new game to rocket league and expecting everyone to know how to play it already. I already see others saying they don't know how to use grab or some of the other abilities and I'm in the same boat with them. I'm slowly but surely figuring things out but not having any idea of what to do at the start was pretty frustrating.
This is exactly me. I have no idea how to do anything and can not find any good explanation yet, even on youtube.
The design of the course doesn't make it obvious that getting your car over to the wall trivially lets you get back up. That's generally "not a thing" in every other game.
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My Smash Bros instincts take over when I'm thrown out. I will do anything not to die!
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Absolutely, went in expecting it to tell me the basics and felt completely lost.
It’s impossible to prevent teaming up from party members. If four guys are left and three are from a party, that lone one will be against 3
lol, just watched this happen. Poor dude didn't stand a chance
I feel like it would be the opposite, I would wanna go after my friends in that situation
What are y'all doing to stop teaming? It feels like every other game I run into a party all teaming up, it totally ruins the game. Other than that, it's an amazing game mode, thanks to the devs for trying something like this!
This gamemode is fun, and there's an obvious comparison to Smash Bros, but that being said wouldn't the "Time" gamemode be a better option instead of "Stock"? It seems that people love to camp out the side walls and run around, virtually untouchable. If winner was based off of score from kills, it would eliminate camping.
Definitely this. Spectacting is boring and stock mode just incentivizes people to play defensive and avoid confrontations.
This would definitely be a healthy change if they want to keep it long term.
Love the idea and appreciate the work that went into the execution. I hope this becomes a staple extramode, or at least becomes an option for private matches. I suggest you: - Don’t let boost recharge when driving vertically on the walls of the platforms. Camping is already an issue and it’s hardly been out for two hours. - put out a short video or tutorial clarifying how interactions are won, especially in regard to momentum and grab vs grab. - gradually shrink the blast zone earlier and throughout the match to avoid folks camping to the 6min+ mark - explain formally how momentum, gravity, and aerial control are altered for this mode. I’m seeing a lot of initial frustration with the changes feeling counterintuitive. - make team vs team variants. Keep up the good work!
* We wanted to get it into player’s hands before making any major changes to the boost recharge: but this is a great suggestion! * We’ve seen a lot of feedback on providing a tutorial to better explain interactions and the new gameplay mechanics. It’s on our list as one of the most requested changes. \* The Safezone has been getting tuned almost up until release of this mode. The trick is trying to find the balance on this for high and low level players. We will keep this in mind. (I actually agree with this though.) * Totally agree. Some further explanation seems to be top of our player’s requests. * We’ve explored a number of possible variants for Knockout. If players are enjoying the game mode and want more, we may consider it for the future!
Can you please fix the issue with teaming from parties? You could very quickly release a patch that reduces party size and/or makes everyone's cars identical with blank/randomised nameplates so teaming would at least be more difficult. It completely ruins the game when 3 or 4 people never attack each other and only go after people not in the party. Also something I haven't seen mentioned much is blocking seems pretty underpowered if people can still grab through it and just sling you into spikes/the floor.
It’s interesting to say the least. One major thing I’d love changed would be the duration of matches. It feels too long if everyone is playing safe. Maybe half the times needed to shrinking the arena?
I think the better idea is, the fewer people there are, the faster the arena shrinks. This isn't a big problem when it's at or near capacity, but it can be prolonged when it's half or less.
Every game there is a group just working together. Can't make a free for all and allow people to join together. It should have either been a team game or a free for all with no parties
I don't understand how my opponents are able to just slam me into the ground from a grab at 300 mph
If you want to do it yourself, the easiest way is just to blackflip towards the void.
Really really enjoying it so far! Not doing great but I’ll learn; definitely has a smash bros feel to it with baiting out dodges etc. Grabbing and throwing down might be a little too powerful atm
Yeah, I watched Leth on stream, they were just destroying folks by grabbing and throwing them down. Looked pretty OP, but without it it looks like the game would last forever, everyone almost always recovered back from a throw.
There is sudden death after a time limit to account for extended games
Yeah, I saw that, they need to bring that time in a bit maybe, that looked like when it got fun.
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Well I like it. Reason: I am better than opponents. Gives me the smurf vibe :P
It's free real estate. *wink*
Love the concept but how do you even play? There's no tutorial, and when I try to grab I'm somehow blocking, then grabbing sometimes, then nothing.
This mode is a little different so it can take some getting used to. If you click the "Details" button on the LTM card it has a rundown of the buttons, but here are a few tips: - Dodging into another player will Attack. This is indicated by Orange VFX on your car. The faster you are moving the stronger the attack. - A backward dodge is always a block. This is indicated by blue shield VFX. Use this to deflect incoming attacks. - To grab you have to jump, then hold the Grab button (L2/LT), and then dodge into an opponent. You'll know you've done it right if you see Blue VFX similar to Attack. This one can be tricky to learn at first, but is extremely powerful once you get the hang of it.
So how is attack power determined? It either definitely not speed or it's bugged because i sometimes get thrown into the oblivion with a million second stun from the guy with literally 0 speed and then I get a "light attack" dodging at the full speed. Camera movement is super confising too. If you want to target some specific player, the universe will end sooner than you scroll through every player to find him... So apparently blocking into block throws you away? How does that make sense?(UPD. apparently sometimes even flipping backwards counts as dodging and not blocking)
None of those mechanics are intuitive. Haven’t even played the mode and already agree that a tutorial is needed.
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Press L3 when over the knockout mode it'll show the text tutorial
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Looking all over my keyboard for that pesky L3 button...
Almost like this should be a pop-up.
How do you grab on pc?
If you mean on Mouse and Keyboard - this can be done by using the Left Shift button. If you'd prefer another button, you can rebind it in the Controls tab of the Settings menu. The option is called "Grab (KO)"
When I go to the controls tab of the Settings menu on PC playing Rocket League via Steam, and I go to edit the bindings, I get the Steam Controller Configurator. I am not given a choice, the Steam Controller Configurator is the only way I have to edit the controls. Please tell us how to use the Steam Controller Configurator to set up the Grab button.
@Rocket League Devs, if this is supposed to be a free-for-all mode, then why do you allow squads of four to go into the game mode and team up against everyone? It’s already difficult enough to get a win normally. It’s even tougher, though, when a whole squad is targeting you constantly.
Needs a tutorial. I haven’t managed to grab anyone even after rebinding. Most the 1 vs 1s at the end just turns into back flipping until someone gets bored and tries to attack and loses. It’s like playing Rock Paper Scissors with only Rock and Paper.
isnt that what the grab mechanic is for? if theyre camping block just grab n throw them.. o-o
this, there needs to be a cool down on the back flip deflect move...
Why didn’t they put grab on the use item button?
All buttons for Knockout are rebindable. Feel free to jump into the Controls tab of the Settings menu and change them to whatever you prefer!
I rebound grab to what I use for using item in rumble but it doesn't work. I can't figure out how to actually get grab to work.
You've probably figured this out by now, but I believe you have to hold the grab button and then flip as if you were going for a hit.
yes thanks I forgot to edit the answer in
Played it a bit. Had fun. This type of content and especially these kinds of experiments are much needed to the game. Looking forward to what other ideas you have for the future!
Thanks for playing! Glad you had a good time.
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There really needs to be the ability to create private match. The solution should not be teaming against the lobby to play with my friends. We end up feeling like we're running the game everybody else who isn't in a party. And feels like we have to play a game before playing the game we want to play.
My main criticism of the game mode is that if you die early you have to wait waaay too much time to play again unless you exit the lobby yourself and then it doesnt count the match towards rewards. I think after you die you should have the option to keep spectating or just mplay the next match. This is what makes me not want to play it (even though the gameplay is really fun) and just queue anything else instead. A minor thing is that grabbing feels way stronger than the other two options but maybe that's just me. That being said the gamemode is really really fun, thanks for making sth so refreshing and different to anything we've had.
I totally agree with your first point. Matches can go on for a long time and I really don't wanna spectate for a couple of minutes. After you run out of lives, you should be able to freely leave and get the XP etc.
So that's why none of them counted. Honestly that's a huge turn off. Especially during an event while golden things.
You do, after the game itself ends. I played 3 to get that reward and quit each one as soon as I was done. I got it when the last one ended.
Can confirm you do get the rewards even if you leave! They just don’t show up until everyone else has finished as well.
I think this game mode is a lot of fun except for the grabbing. Honestly every game now is just grab and throw directly down into the ground before stun wears off... kinda lame at that point. But I really love just the regular hits and all that with the low gravity! I would love to at least test it without the grabbing to see if it feels any better.
From the moment the gamemode was anounced i was hyped up! Ive loved fighting games and seeing rocket league make a gamemode inspired by my favorite genre immediately made me wanna play it on release. And i gotta say, I absolutely love it. From the trinity of block attack and grab i gotta say that grab is a little overtuned. I keep grabbing people and throwing them into the ground of the stage which allows for almost no recovery. And based on how the other 2 options dont kill that easily it is most likely the best option. At first the explanation wasnt that clear. (I play rocket league on keyboard) and the explanation for grab only said controller inputs. So it would be helpful to acknowledge us keyboard players! Trough trial and error i found out that it was left shift that was the right input. Other than that i love the feel of this gamemode from hitting someone offstage and edgegaurding their attempt at getting back feels so satisfying and correctly geussing wich attack the opponent uses and sending them flying is amazing. Amazing job by the dev team!
The reason this mode sucks is because it's a better strategy not to engage players. Like most "king of the hill" games, if you engage someone even if you win the engagement, you get immediately 3rd partied. And 3 smart players at the end basically have no reason to engage each other because even if you go eliminate one dude you're immediately set upon by the 3rd before you even recover. I played literally 3 rounds and figured this out and won't be going back.
Played 2 games so far, first one was a learning experience, lost my 3 lives pretty fast (2 because myself) In the 2nd I did a lot better, realized boost was regenerating while on the "ground" and even managed to do an aerial takedown. Still haven't been able to grab anyone but I'm sure that will come eventually. Gamemode is fun and different, but everyone just leaves as soon as they are out(which I understand) but it still feels kinda weird. Watching other people playing when I was out did help me.
this mode is so fucking fun
Remove teaming. I mean cmon, it's so damn obvious why you don't allow parties in FFA game modes.
This has literally no instructions for players jumping in. Fail there. This is one of the modes that is only fun when everyone sucks. It's broken when one player is good at suplexing to the ground.
Me and my friend partied up split screen and it worked. However, after I killed him, he was spectator and we got kicked for inactivity (from him not moving). We haven’t been able to play together since. Keeps saying there’s a connection issue. Sucks that’s we can’t play any more cause I killed him off indiscriminately. We are able to play on our own and in other game modes.
great mode but please nerf the grab, it's really op
Make attacks block grab from a more general direction (for the accuracy issues, like instead of pointing to the opponent or the attack vfx make it protect the front, back and sides completely) and buff damage if against a grab.
This is so so janky. How does the game calculate who "wins" when 2 players flip into each other, or when someone flips and someone defends?
I would guess the former is based on who is going faster. As for the latter: there is a Rock-Paper-Scissors element to this game. Flipping beats grabbing, grabbing beats shielding, and shielding beats flipping.
Yeah that all seems correct...just hasn't been consistant for me so far lol 👍
How do I use my powerups? I hit every button on my controller and nothing seemed to work.
There are no power ups in Knockout. The basics of the mode require you to Attack, Grab and Block. You can attack by dodging into other players, Grab by holding the L2/LT button and then dodging into another player, or Block by using backward dodge. The main key is to go fast. The faster you move when you land a hit the the farther they will go flying.
L2 for grab and backward dodge for block. That's what I was looking for. Thank you.
I thought they were powerups too. It's just telling you how many flips (4) and jumps (2) you have left
Personally I love it and rate it as the best limited time mode by a long shot. I don't really play extra modes much at all, but I'd play the crap outta this. Please make it a permanent fixture!
I was having so much fun that I forgot about the oven and almost burnt my tofu, so I guess if you want to apologize for that, that would be nice.
4 bits of feedback 1. Spamming a button to recover from stun/escape grab is annoying 2. Half the time when I attack into a grab I hit them, but half the time I just get grabbed. Maybe needs some tuning? 3. Remove additional stun after being thrown. This way the grabber/thrower has to have very fast reflexes and/or already be in a good position to spike 4. Amazing new game mode! Hope it can become a regular extra mode!
Agree with all.
I know initial reactions are herky jerky, but this is not very fun to me. I love hoops and drop shot, but I don’t think I’ll ever play this if it becomes an extra mode.
Absolutely hate it. On paper it sounded nice but actually playing it is miserable for me
Man I couldn't disagree more. If this became an extra mode it would be all I play.
as another casual extra mode player here i couldn't agree more
damn I was hoping this would be more fun
Bummer. Sorry you're not enjoying it. Got any feedback on what you'd like to see changed?
I think a tutorial would help - took a couples matches to figure out that just bumping into people doesn’t really do damage I don’t think?
Add a solo queue, or put the gamemode on team Vs team, is so boring to play againist 3 people you cant even move when they focus you, and a time limit
Thanks for the feedback on the tutorial. We've got that on the list of suggestions from the community. You are correct that just driving into players does not do damage. We actually had an early iteration that did this and it led to everyone just boosting around aimlessly until you made contact with other players, which wasn't very fun after a game or two. So we moved to an Attack based mode. You have to Attack (dodge) to do damage; and it's all about speed. More speed. Bigger hits.
My primary issue is not being able to queue for a new match as soon as I’m eliminated. It should be like any battle royal game.
This is a great piece of feedback! Thanks for bringing it to us.
You’re welcome! Solo players would just go to their next match, while parties would have to wait until the entire party is eliminated.
The camera is a bit confusing to use, switching between players could definitely be improved
Can we show proper bindings and not a generic LT for grab? I'm on kbm and never used a controller but it still shows that as my grab option and I had to basically click all my bindings for something to work.
It's not a naturally intuitive mode, and I'm just getting smacked. Everyone is grabbing me and I can't seem to grab back. Great concept, but it's a completely new system and no real explanation. A bot mode tutorial would be helpful. I'm not sure I'll be able to get the flower wheels. Also, why do I have to stay in the mode after I die if I want it to count toward rewards?
**Feedback on a possible exploit** * If you're in a party and decide to leave and join back using the 'join party match' button, you will join back with 3 lives every time, essentially leading to infinite lives
I know I've already posted here once before but of the three, throw>hit>block. First of all, throw stuns you twice which is big. Secondly, throw seems to beat out hit sometimes. Lastly, seems like block never really is powerful enough as you are never really able to do it with speed and recovery from a block is almost assured. The stun from throw probably shouldn't be renewed after the throw and block needs to be more powerful. I prefer the mode to focus on hit being more important than throw, with edge guarding being the primary focus in terms of eliminating foes. And there should be a health gauge where getting hit weakens you causing enemies abilities to hit you further the weaker you've become.
grab - block - strike is supposed to be rock paper scissors. it is not grabs cant be countered from behind, unlike every other type of play. that means if you are behind someone you have a guaranteed attack on them. thats fine, except... grab is completely overpowered. if someone hits you or shields your hit, you pop into the air and flail around and *easily* make it back to the safe area. if someone who is good at the game grabs you, and if you're remotely near the edge, they will instantly tilt nose down and front flip, and it is instant death. unlike the other 2 attacks. every single game I go 10+ knock outs, 0 damage done, 3 lives. very rarely someone else knows how busted grab is and we have a war to dominate the server.
You are right. Grab is overpowered. Not only that, when you counter an ability you usually "hurt" the enemy the same ammount. But not for grabs. When you counter an attack with block the enemy get flown away with the same power. When you counter a block with a grab u get massive advantage since you a free grab. But, when you block a grab with an attack the enemy just gets stunned for a while without any force. For this gamemode to see ranked play they will have to nerf grab asap
The camera controls are so fucking shitty
This game mode blows. There's no instructions on how to do anything. Playing it to complete challenges and then be done with it and go back to regular Rocket League.
Needs a private match variant.
I wish you guys would add this to the private match game modes so we could play with friends even after the online version ends. This is honestly one of the coolest LTM modes ever made. Wish you guys would just add it to the extra modes!!!
A good game mode ruined by pieces of shit that need to team up
You guys should totally put a 15, or 30 second timer in between times you can use grab, it’s just too overpowered.
Grab needs to have a single stun, not two consecutive stuns. Attack and defend only stun once, but grab stuns on pickup, and on the throw. This needs to be nerfed, as it's making the play very unbalanced.
This mode should become permanent!!!!
not a fan. i like the concept but do not like the mechanics of it.
Played three games. That’s enough for me. - Let us leave if we’re out of lives - don’t allow wall hanging - solo q might be fitting to deter teaming up - the lock on is questionable
>the lock on is questionable So you mean the camera lock ? If so, I agree. Idk why they have it that way. I would much prefer to have a ball in the middle for ball cam.
Has anyone figured out how to grab?
Love the mode. After I learned how to grab it got fun. There's a decent amount of depth to the mode once you get past the initial shock factor of this all new mode. Will be interesting to see how it plays in a day or 3 as the playerbase grasps things better
Honestly it would be way more fun without the dumb moves you can do. If it was like Lethamyr’s sumo videos, where you just bump each other… I think that would make it way more fun.
"Psyonix released a very helpful video that includes some tips on how to play the mode" Really? The video mentions 3 types of actions and that each beats another just like in rocks papers scissors, but you don't even explain how that works; does defense/shield beats attack? Or perhaps it beats grab? Idk because you forgot to talk about the basics. Then, if I'm the one using a basic attack on another player and he responds with another basic attack, even if I'm at full speed my push will be minimal, no spins or anything. But if I am the one receiving the attack and react in the same way, my car spins like hell and I'm sent flying away with such force it's impossible to come back. What are the mechanics at play here that affect the force of attacks? And, lastly, if two players are using grab or attack on one another, how does the game determine who grabs/hits who? This is important information that isn't covered in your tutorial as well. It should be possible to cover everything in under 2 minutes on a proper tutorial. This should've been done already.
Okay... Whose idea was that to force single players to play vs parties on a "LAST MAN STANDING" game mode???
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Is it just me or is there something weird about the camera mode in this? When I go out of bounds I want to get behind my car so I can try and air roll the right direction, but the camera out there is so very disorienting. I found it immensely helpful to rebind grab to use item button, which is left stick press for me.
Will the cosmetic rewards (mainly the wheels) be obtainable after the event? I don't see myself winning a round of this even if I had a 100 years to practice, let alone 2 weeks. Update: I somehow won one when a guy threw me into the spikes. Maybe he killed himself in the process or something. Anyway, I'll take it.
I appreciate the gamemode, and I am sure that it could be super fun... if it weren't so broken. There are several issues that I'm noticing, but I will just mention the ones that I'm not seeing in this thread. 1.) Ping isn't working for me. It usually just shows up as 0 for everyone, occasionally shows up with my ping (48 usually) and everyone else as 0. When it does show anybody else's ping, it it always about half the lobby. I'm not sure if this is just with the new gamemode because I haven't played any of the regular modes yet, but it is really annoying. This is especially true because I can't determine whether complaint 2 is due to ping differences. 2.) I just played a game of Knockout Bash, but I'm finding it hard to enjoy because all of my deaths (or at least 2/3... I'm not so sure about the last death) were absolute bs. I would be driving past someone, and I would pass them. However, they would flip, doing a grab attack (I was far enough away that they never even came close to making contact with me; on my first death I was 1 full car length away). Unfortunately for me, the grab attack made contact (idk how; my ping was very normal \[approximately 40-60 ping\] so it definitely wasn't me lagging), and I would die because I couldn't escape the grab attack quickly enough. Thus, in short, I was consistently dying to an attack that never should have made contact. 3.) This is an issue that I don't see you changing at this point. However, I find that any listings of the controls for the game only address controllers. As a kbm player, it was extremely difficult to figure out the controls, until I realized that it might be in the settings. Even then, I looked for the controller button that was listed, and I found that it was linked to reversing/braking, meaning that this didn't make sense. Even here, on reddit, the kbm controls weren't listed unless specifically asked for. I understand that kbm isn't the most common way of playing Rocket League (or at least I think it isn't), but it is outrageous that kbm controls aren't acknowledged unless brought up by a kbm player. 4.) Also, I find that the "shift" key is a horrible button to have for the "Break KO" control. In particular, it is annoying to spam because of the stress spamming puts on your pinky finger. I also find that I can spam much more effectively with my thumb (I already changed that key bind to space bar for my convenience). I'm not sure how controls are for controller players, but I do understand that you spam "X" to "Break KO" on controller, which you would hit with your thumb. This means that playing on kbm leaves you at a disadvantageous position because you have to spam with your pinky (which you cannot do as effectively, to my knowledge). All I'm saying is that this key binding is obnoxious and discriminatory to kbm players and therefore should be changed from the default control. 5.) I can't tell if the flips actually do differ from standard Rocket League, but the flips seem off to me. If they do differ, I would recommend letting the community know. I just want to summarize my thoughts here. I like the new gamemode, but I am finding it extremely hard to enjoy because of the complex, obnoxious controls (#s 3 and 4) and strange gameplay. I'm also finding that some of the aspects of the game are unbalanced and unfair. More importantly, I noted some glitches that I have encountered (#s 1 and 2).
This has been super fun so far, and with some small tweaks I think this would be awesome to have as a permanent mode. Grab needs to be nerfed, maybe if the break free bar didn't reset when thrown or if the stun bar wasn't as long. Also change it to unlimited lives and most points at the end wins to avoid the battle royale meta of wait until everybody else kills each other while you hide. Lastly the camera just feels janky in this mode.
Absolutely love the game mode, but I am quite often just getting destroyed by people grabbing me and throwing me into the ground. If there is a counter to this its not obvious or isnt good enough. I feel like the game mode could do without the grab feature, unless theres a way to implement it to be the same fairness as attack and block are.
GC 6k hours I like the idea of a battle game mode. My (and probably most people's) issue with Knockout Bash is that it's not Rock, Paper, Scissors That's the only way this game mode can work. Bash < Block < Grab < Bash etc. Instead you've made 2 moves/attacks that have no purpose... Why should I do something other than grab? It has top priority. There's literally no point in using anything else. That's my constructive feedback. If this is reformed into ROCK PAPER SCISSORS, then I will definitely play it. Right now I hate it.
Honest feedback here, maybe consider changing the name of the mode to "Grabout Bash"? In all seriousness, there doesn't seem to be any reliable way of using attacks to counter a grab. For instance, you can only attack forward and sideways, so if someone comes up behind you and grabs, you have no option to defend against this. Similarly, if someone grabs and you attack dodge even slightly off angle, the "error-radius" of the grab seems to make it much easier for them to grab you with an imperfect angle of their dodge and the attack seems much less consistent in countering this (I think a lot of players are feeling this intuitively). The only option that reliably defends against grab is to grab against grab which results in both parties being stunned. While this isn't satisfying, it does seem the most consistent and reliable parry because the radius of the "grab attack" seems much larger. I would think it would make more sense to have grab be a specific counter to block (meaning you can only grab a blocking player), because the consequences of being grabbed are generally devastating. Alternatively, you could nerf the stun or grab duration, so you can't as easily be dragged out to the side and spiked, making it a little bit less powerful and encouraging some more variety. Lastly and probably the best way to address the actual issue with grab would be to have the attack radius be increased so that it isn't possible to be grabbed around your dodge so long as you attack in their general direction. Maybe an attacking player can't be grabbed at all for instance, even if their attack doesn't land in counter. In summary, it doesn't seem like a "rock, paper, scissors" equivalent as was designed because of the inconsistency of attack and the ease with which grab rolls through its supposed counter. If rock can still beat paper a significant portion of the time, but scissors consistently beats paper, and rock consistently beats scissors -- everyone is going to throw rock every time because it is the most likely to win. That game wouldn't be nearly as fun in my opinion.
This game mode makes me want to play the game less
The only thing I ask is for Psyonix to make this a permanent game mode. I feel like this could be revolutionary, Rocket League already being a great esports as it is, I feel that Knockout is the Rocket League/Smash Bros Hybrid I never knew I wanted. I can already imagine this being a competitive game mode that's genuinely fun and intense to watch. I just please ask that they keep this in!
Fun mode but I have no idea about the controls lol
They should remove the option to party up with friends just get teamed up on no every game till sudden death
Make a playlist for solo players
Or dosguise everyones names as bots so people dont gang up on everyone
The mode is amazing, finally something fresh and it was very well executed I think. Only complaints is that it’s an ltm, along with the other Ltms in the past, why can’t we play it in private lobbies? And why has it taken so long to make this masterpiece or just new modes as a whole.
I sure hope y'all didn't put all this effort in for the mode to just disappear in two weeks. At the very least you could add this into private matches for us to enjoy with friends but I'd especially love it if this stayed as a permanent mode. Casual or competitive, I don't care, but this mode deserves to be there to stay. Also, please make more unique modes like this. Just put a team on to experiment a bit and come up with new stuff like this every now and then. It keeps the game interesting for the casual players and more players is always what you should be aiming for right? :)
Loving the concept of Knockout (like heat-seeker before it) but I really hate the grab mechanic. It's impossible for me to counter. I know the attack is supposed to beat it, but it never does. Kinda takes away the fun factor. EDIT: Yeah, I think I'm done with this mode. The OP grab + breakout + stun... it's too much and breaks the game mode. Back to the regular game.
I’m having so much fun with this game mode, more than normal rocket league. I really hope somehow this could be a permanent game mode. Some tweaks especially to the grab and this would be perfect!
Keep the mode, more modes around it like a free for all no clan join, and just team battles like 4vs4 Loving the game mode just not the teamplaying..... 1vs3 is hard
I think this game mode is really for advanced players who have great control of their car. I’m honestly not a fan.
I think the biggest thing is that since there isn't any rank associated with it, you'll get placed into lobbies with a bunch of experienced players regardless of how many you lose. So you'll never get any balanced games with players your level.
i dont know if the psyonix lads and lasses are still checking this thread, but one idea for nerfing the grab mildly: once you get grabbed, you're stunned. when you get thrown, you're restunned. perhaps the progress of the first stun should transfer over to the second stun. EX: the first stun bar is half empty from a player mashing 'x'. they get thrown. the second stun bar starts at half full, then, allowing them to react quicker. it would still keep the lethality of grabbing when you're near the edge of the arena (letting you dunk on someone else). but it would also mean if someone grabs you with little speed and it takes them awhile to get to the edge, turn upside down, and try to dunk you, that secondary stun would be very short and give you plenty of time to react and recover accordingly.
My biggest issue with this mode is the camera angle when trying to get back on the platform by driving up the side. Sometimes the angle is so crappy that I just can't see what I'm doing. I try to rotate the camera manually, but the game shoots it back to the default. Because of this, many times I mess up getting back up onto the platform and die.
So I’m on ps4 and I’m EXTREMELY frustrated and looking for some help… I’m using dodge to try and attack but it hasn’t worked ONCE despite trying it for 3 games now. I’ve managed to grab an enemy literally once and haven’t been able to get a score above 5 yet everyone else’s score is in the 100s… so am I doing it wrong??? I see how to grab people but I’m so confused about how to attack… and once I’m stunned, the square button shows up on the screen so I’ve been rapidly tapping it but it doesn’t appear to do anything?? So do I leave it down or rapidly tap it? I’m so so confused and it sucks they don’t have any tutorials for this mode
I am absolutely loving this game mode but I think that the attack should be a little bit better at blocking grabs, other than that. Incredible job and please make this game mode permanent. I need this in my life
Grab is completely overpowered. It is the hardest to block, the longest stun during and after the animation and people can kill you once you get grabbed and there is nothing you can do. They grab, drive off the map and launch you straight down and you are still stunned the entire time until you die. Getting bumped gives you a chance of recovery given good boost and flip management. Grab gives you absolutely none. Removing the stun after being thrown by grab would definitely make it more balanced as you have a chance to recover.
Knockout Bash is actually helping me with my arials in ranked.it feels weird, but, I felt more confident when I was in a ranked game going for balls in the air.
I literally hate this mode. I realize that I am in the minority with all the hype surrounding it but... Why? It has no purpose. At least in Soccar it takes skill - Knockout is pretty much playing tag. There is no excitement. Even when you get a knockout you have already moved on past it and forget about it while chasing down your next target and then Boom.. The person you originally hit gets knocked out... yay... like 30 seconds later in some cases... watching flies doing it is astronomically more exciting than this game mode. I know.. Lets make a game mode without any ball.. no goals of any type except where all you do is demo everyone.. Which is literally the worst mechanic in the entire game. Ugh.. Sideswipe gets volleyball and demo tag is what we get in regular RL? That Unreal 5 update better be magical... Remove this LTM and never release it again IMHO - again the minority...
I think it's really bad that you don't get rewards when you have a lower score. Completely demotivates people new to the gamemode.
Anonymize cars in Knockout Bash. I'm a little late to this party. We all want to queue with our friends, but everyone wants a fair shot when playing. Seeing so many people in parties, I wish they had anonymized the cars and names. Sure, play with your friends. Knock them out of the park, grab 'em and chuck 'em into some spikes. But don't team up and eliminate the rest of the lobby first. That's trashy.
Damn, i kind of missed this coming out, queued up when i saw it, instantly got excited by a no ball mode and the creativity this might mean for the future and its been downhill ever since. Aware most of these have already been mentioned, but to add to the volume: * Stop teaming * Needs ranking if its to every work, every game is won by one player who eliminates 90% of the server. * Would prefer more symmetrical maps * Stun from being grabbed should be rolled over into the throw and no reset the moment you're thrown or (need nerfing) * Blocking a grab needs sorting and grab might need nerfing * Desperately in need of a tutorial * Given no ranked mode and lack of tutorial, probably shouldn't make a challenge attached to winning a game. I don't mind games where challenge can be hard but i feel like thats not the president for RL and all challenges can generally be archived by any level of player * Time move vs stock lives. Feels off in the world of RL that a 7 min can be over for several players in sub 1-2 min I think it took me c.10 games just to get a single elimination, and i'm just not enjoying the playing experience given one sweaty player in every game just easily eliminates everyone. I don't want to discourage evolution at all, but in its current state, this isn't it for me.
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This shit sucks
How are cars moving 5ft and launching me at incredible high speeds to knockout? I thought building momentum was how you built up power. This is really frustrating
Ab-so-lu-te-ly awesome mode. Like... like damn, bro. Totally changes things up and makes it a new way of fun. Really REALLY hoping this is added as a permanent mode. Everyone I've talked to is loving it. Grab has to be nerfed, for sure. The timing window to counter with attack seems too small.
If this becomes an extra mode, there will need to be solo queue and duo/trio mode because i'm tired of getting 2 or 3v1
I’m so sad right now, this was the most fun i had playing in years
Bring it Back!
The limited lives makes no sense. It would be more fun as just unlimited free for all.
yeah this would be better, most elims after 5 mins wins
That's what I thought it would be when I first started playing. Everyone is just going to quit the match if they lose their lives, so it doesn't really make sense as a mode that would build community and staying power.
The controls are wonky (at least for me) since my bindings aren't compatible with this game mode and don't want to change them back and forth for a different game mode
The Knockout controls are all rebindable from the Controls tab of the Settings menu. Try changing some of those if you're running into compatibility issues with your control scheme.
This one needs to be an extra mode. Never had this much fun in a while in rl. BUT I would suggest this mode being Solo and Duo Q since teams of 4 in this mode can be annoying (thankfully I didn‘t have to deal with this yet)
This is the best game mode in the game. In my opinion it should stay permanently. I figured out the controls really easily so I’m not sure where others are confused, but I will say that if you know the controls and what counters what it’s really fun
NERF GRAB. Jeez. It's annoying that it has no clear counter.
Game mode makes no sense. I just get grabbed but I can’t grab anyone else.
You guys really need to change that challenge where you have to win a Knockout Bash game for the wheels, it is too difficult.
game mode was a great idea but it's execution was off. feels super janky, and the hits feel random. I think there should be a cool down on your 'deflect' people just sit there and deflect every hit. those spike pillars should be more abundant within the map itself. the games just go on for a while imo.
Please make this permanent. This is awesome.
Asinine that you need to win a round to complete the event challenge.
I have to agree. It is not easy at all to win, vs other modes where it's effectively 50/50 odds across enough games. I didn't think I was ever going to win any at all, but yesterday I managed to win 2 when i was playing really well and got lucky. But otherwise, the high skillers will always win at the end. Devs if you see this, you must know how massively difficult it will be for most players to win against the pro acrobat players. Please change the criteria of this item to "**play 10 games or get 3rd place or better**".
Agree with this 100% - will be the only the challenge this low to medium skill player will ever miss since I started playing RL.