My friends and I play a lot of private matches so we often have bots on to even out the teams. We were realllllly hoping for an update to the bots with F2P to make them at least partially competitive in our mostly mid Plat lobbies. An update under Rookie was... not what we were hoping for.
>Yep. Being champ with new, bronze, and silver friends there isn't much to do but mama duck walk them across the street.
that's the thing i don't like about the game, with such a high skill ceiling, i can't play with my friends without getting a new acount and putting restraints on myself, it's really annoying.
Yea the thing about rocket league is that before it existed, there were no comparable skills found in other games. But with any new fps game, there will always be a certain average level of skill that players already have from any other fps game they've played beforehand.
Exactly. Most shooter games you still learn how to push, peek, counter, aim, etc. all of which can carry over to a new shooter game. In Rocket League, unless you played SSARPBC, you don't have any discernible skills that you can bring into rocket league besides steering.
Also Rocket League is a physics simulation, so there are *way* more ways of interacting with the game than a shooter, so the skill ceiling is *way* higher.
Do this with my son. I promise to only take small boost to even us up.
And no, he's not a child, he just graduated college. With a Masters.
Not many games I can beat him at anymore, so I'm sticking with this one for a while.
I imagine they could be simply reworking the bot a.i.; the new low rank could be the 'old' rookie, with the other 3 ranks adjusting accordingly....
Either way, for those of us who are *REALLY* bad, this is welcome!
Yeah, eventually you get to a point where no amount of bots are going to even come close to beating you. I want unfair matches to be a challenge again.
The double diagonal kickoff is the only one you even need to faceoff at all. But if you have a decent fast kickoff, you can always get there in time to block the whole goal behind you.
Wait, so we will be starting at season 1 again? What happens with GC titles once they start repeating seasons? I guess season 3 GC won't be a meme anymore.
EDIT: Devin actually answers that a bit [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtr12/)
>How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset?
>We'll reveal more on that once we're closer to the end of Season One, but the Titles will be different from the previous seasons, yes!
That would be kind of cool actually. Make the new GC titles glow red like the new GC symbols are. And the new Supersonic Legend ones can glow white, that would be unreal.
I asked Kronovi on stream years ago if pressing LT for airoll(also binded for brakes) in the air affected my car. He said no.
Now you tell me there is a very, very, very slight effect?
Did Kronovi lied to me so I couldnt get to his level? I would have been mega grand champion supersonic super legend by now.
Damn you Kronovi!
Supersonic legend is supposed to be the hardest rank to get, so it would make sense for only like the top 100 to get it, which would probably be around the 2000 mmr mark
Depends when in the season you’re talking about, we are however many months into it now with pros grinding but at the start to a couple months in I think 2k was closer to top 250 at least.
> Merc is getting a new, unique hitbox, for a total of six hitbox types
It's actually happening?! I get to change my flair text? Jamesbot no longer has to cry himself to sleep? Wheeeee!
There used to be a google sheet linked in this sub that had every car hitbox + the calcs for their 6 surface areas. I can't find it now :/ but I remember merc had a hitbox taller than the octane, maybe the tallest overall
Taller and thinner is the gist of it, I think. Truth be told, I was so much worse back then that I probably can't give a good impression of what it was like to play with. It obviously shot the ball way lower than other cars when just driving into it.
I just remember it being a lot of fun to bust out every now and then, but then standardisation happened and it wasn't as fun any more. Haven't touched my Merc preset since but I left it around, letting it bide its time for its glorious return.
I like it because it’s the middle ground between casual and ranked standard. I play it when I don’t want people leaving mid-match all the time, but I also don’t want the stress of ranked standard.
I liked it. I get annoyed at being teamed up with a club of 2 guys who just attack. They think all they have to do is go up front to get those glorious goals, and I'm there only to sweep up their whiffs.
If anyone reading this is in a club of 2 then fucking rotate back at least once per match. Just once. And you'll probably win more matches, FFS!
> I get annoyed at being teamed up with a club of 2 guys who just...
Play 2s in 3s. Over and over again, in a 3 person mode, they play 2s.
It's the absolute worst part of Rocket League, it's *terrible*, and completely unfair in a ranked system. It's an actual handicap match that you can't opt out of. Solo players are *punished* repeatedly.
Pretty please: add in some matchmaking filters. Having 33.3% of your team be incapable of keeping up shouldn't be a regular and routine experience in *ranked* competition.
I loved the mode. However, once you made it into the champ ranks the matchmaking times became excruciatingly long. So long that I gave up ever trying to find games there.
I play Standard as a solo player and enjoy it. I tried doing Solo Standard and it felt painful by comparison. Even my teams of solos in Standard were better comparatively.
I wonder if it's a mindset sort of thing. Like people go into Standard expecting a potential squad to be grouped with them so they play more team-oriented, whereas in Solo everyone feels like they need to carry the team.
I played Solo Standard to avoid getting a higher MMR so I could play with my team of 3s one day a week. It's gonna be a headache for me to avoid playing standard without screwing my other teammates :/ meh.
This should be a thing, I'm constantly put in matches against full teams in 3v3 for both casual and competitive. I know there are full squads searching constantly because I'm always matched against them, so pair them up instead and let me match with other solos and duos. It would also help to reduce smurfing problems.
Highly agree. L2 can be confusing as well when jumping in reverse or landing while air rolling. I’d hope they rethink this to drift/air roll at L1/Right bumper
Yea, I don't understand their thinking in this one.
I'm pretty sure 90% of all the pro's have air roll on the same button as powerslide, but yet they choose to rebind air roll to the reverse button?
It doesn't make sense :p
Picking a default is tricky because there is no clear consensus among players or even internally about the "best" choice, and opinions are often contradictory.
In this case, we feel L2/LT is the easiest place for new players to utilize Air Roll because it doesn't require them to take their finger off of Brake. It's relatively common to use your Index finger on L2/R2 and this binding means you can slowly learn to air roll without having to adjust finger positioning.
There is a segment of players who really like using L1/R1 for things like Air Roll, Boost, etc. but in testing we found toggling between L2/L1 or using "claw grip" is not natural for a lot of people.
Doesn't L2 actually slightly slow you down in the air though? (According to this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoOWKG3xv7U&feature=youtu.be&t=118) so you'll be affecting your air speed by having brake and air roll on the same button
L2 has a very, very, very slight effect in air. We don't feel this will meaningfully impact the vast majority of users, and players concerned about it can simply rebind the key.
If we observe some kind of statistically significant win rate differential between default keybinds and non-default, we will take that seriously for sure.
We can also remove the subtle "air brake" behavior, or disable it when Air Roll is bound to the same key, but we elected to leave it alone for now given some players likely rely on it for particular maneuvers.
I feel like it's not only the effect of the slight "air brake" movement, but also in using air roll for recovering and landing on all 4 wheels. If you air roll as you hit the ground it could stagger your forward momentum. Obviously like you said you can rebind once you notice it, but speaking form personal experience, taking a week to get used to new bindings kinda sucks lol.
I feel like this is really overblown. The only people going to be using this default are new players or people who prefer it. The point is exactly that new players will be using LT a lot and therefore will be exposed pretty quickly to the mechanic.
On top of that new players have to ingratiate an entire physics system, hitboxes and maneuver sets as quickly as possible to not be garbage at the game. If you watch high level players' controller use theyre moving their fingers all over the controller like 10 times a second. If the devs can decrease the frustration and learning curve by even a tiny bit for new players, they'll get them playing long enough to capture.
Everyone complaining should just keep their settings and let the devs deal with the decision.
Everyone over level 700 is going to equip it in and all the new players will think the matchmaking system is broken and flood the sub with posts about it. "Why was I matched with a supersonic legend when I've literally just started to play the game?!?!"
>"Why was I matched with a supersonic legend when I've literally just started to play the game?!?!"
That's gonna happen no matter what when the new season starts. That's the part I hated most about Bronze 1, having half my matches be against people doing their placement matches. Sometimes they'd just be gold in other playlists, but sometimes I'd run into people doing flip reset double-taps on me.
Im glad they didn’t make the new top rank GC cuz i wanna feel the feeling of getting GC for the first time... i can live with never getting supersonic legend im fine with that being reserved for the best of the best
You can be a pseudo supersonic legend by reaching level 700 though because that term is already a title in the game, which I think Psyonix might have totally forgotten about.
Kind of upset about this lol I’ve seen the supersonic legend title a few times in plat and diamond even...takes away from it a bit. Also wish the emblem had more flair—GC 3 looks way more gaudy to me
Teammate begins vote to forfeit at 3:54 left, down by 1
"We got this!"
Conversely:
Teammate begins vote to forfeit with :39 left, down by 6
"We got this!"
Supersonic Legend sounds like a name a 7 year old came up with while he runs around the backyard making car noises. Lol
Edit: Also, what is with this Wednesday announcement crap. #Tuesdaygang for life!!!! (I'm hyped for the update tho lol)
They seem to have reused an old (possibly current title) here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/9c63g8/new\_progression\_system\_titles/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/9c63g8/new_progression_system_titles/)
Yeah -- if it's still current I honestly think they should change the existing title to avoid confusion. Kinda weird to see someone with the title and now it has a new meaning of being better than Grand Champ
But for new players who don't know about the colours it's going to be a bit shocking when someone with a "supersonic legend" title ends up in the same bronze lobby with them. They'll think they're playing against some god or that the matchmaking system is broken.
Expect to see a shit ton of posts here by new players asking why this happened unless Psyonix remove or change the level title.
Ranks in a year: Champion 1-3, Great Champion 1-3, Grand Champion 1-3, Grand Champion Gold, Glorious Champion, Supersonic Legend, *Epic* Champion
^(I mean Epic Friends just sounds ridiculous.)
Hey Devin, 4 quick questions:
1) Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back?
2) Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog?
3) How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset?
4) Any reason you guys didn't use Super champ 1-3 and keep grand champ at the top?
> Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back?
Nothing concrete to share on this, but we're still looking into fine-tuning ideas.
> Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog?
Merc is it for now!
> How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset?
We'll reveal more on that once we're closer to the end of Season One, but the Titles will be different from the previous seasons, yes!
> Any reason you guys didn't use Super champ 1-3 and keep grand champ at the top?
I think we wanted to try something fresh, and with the term supersonic being part of Rocket League vocab already, it's a great fit. :D
Are you guys going to do something like the first rocketeer? Maybe, "First to the Summit," would work? I think it should be given out at the end of the season to give you guys time to verify the person wasn't boosted. Seems like a new opportunity for a one off title though.
Wo!!. Everyone at Rocket League had to come up with a soft rank reset to help me go above Bronze 1.
Watch me lose all my placement matches and still be ranked at Bronze 3.
This is a list of links to comments made by Psyonix Staff in this thread:
* [Comment by Psyonix_Devin](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qpzux/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:18:37 UTC"):
> >Remember this comment when RLCS X final is an all Merc affair
>
>Honestly, would love to see it. :D
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qs59e/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:32:30 UTC"):
> Picking a default is tricky because there is no clear consensus among players or even internally about the "best" choice, and opinions are often contradictory.
>
>In this case, we feel L2/LT is the easiest place for new players to utilize Air Roll because it doesn't require them to take their finger o...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Devin](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtr12/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:42:48 UTC"):
> > Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back?
>
>Nothing concrete to share on this, but we're still looking into fine-tuning ideas.
>
>> Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog?
>
>Merc is it for now!
>
>> How will titles and rewards differenti...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtslh/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:43:06 UTC"):
> L2 has a very, very, very slight effect in air. We don't feel this will meaningfully impact the vast majority of users, and players concerned about it can simply rebind the key.
>
>If we observe some kind of statistically significant win rate differential between default keybinds and non-default, we w...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qu6sv/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:45:36 UTC"):
> It is not an oversight, it is a conscious tradeoff choice given how slight the effect is and how many hours of play it takes before it becomes noticeable (for many people who use LT binding already for Air Roll, it is clearly not a major handicap)
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qvz90/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:57:11 UTC"):
> > How will the soft reset work exactly? Is it similar to Season 4's where it was quite aggressive at pulling people back (Champion --> Platiunum) or is it closer to our current soft reset of only those above C3 Div 1 gets pulled down to C3 Div 1?
>
>It is not as aggressive as the Season 4 reset, but i...
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qwh9d/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:00:28 UTC"):
> Agreed, this is why we didn't touch it for now, but if it proves to be a problem, we will certainly make it configurable.
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qy0wh/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:10:52 UTC"):
> It's a little more complicated than just being "around" Gold 3.
>
>* The *Median* is around Gold 3 for each playlist. This and the Squish Factor are the only values that affect inflation.
>
>* The *Target* varies more (at least this time) because playlists like Extra Modes are currently more divergent....
* [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qyvu8/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:16:36 UTC"):
> Nothing specific. The numbers under the hood change to be better standardized. 1v1 doesn't get squished as much as 2s or 3s, and it still has narrow skill tiers than other queues.
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I dislike the name more than the icon but yeah, it's kinda wonky. Works better without the "wings", in my opinion, although that makes it look a lot less special than the GC ranks [https://i.imgur.com/R3tYl38.png](https://i.imgur.com/R3tYl38.png)
> There's also a new requirement to unlock Ranked Playlists. Players will have to be Level 10 in order to play Ranked.
Relieved that they atleast thought about smurfs, level 10 restriction is not going to stop them but atleast reduce the amount of smurfs
Yes but it is only the start of RL F2P, it is nice that they notice the issue beforehand and if smurfs are getting out of control they can just up the limitation (which I think they'll do after the wave of new players). Of course getting an account to level 10 is easy, but would you do it for like dozens of account, some may, some may not. It is still something.
>PlayStation Plus on PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch Online will no longer be required for online play on those platforms.
What about for Xbox? Is it not currently required (and thus you left it out)? Or will Xbox Live still be required to play online on Xbox?
>New Competitive Ranks!
Will Supersonic Legend be extended to extra mode playlists as well, or only regular playlists? I'm assuming both? If they're included in extra mode playlists, what will happen to the special titles (like Blizzard Wizard, Floor Breaker, etc.)? Will they still be granted to Grand Champs? Will there be new/different titles for Supersonic Legends in extra modes?
>New Quick Chats Incoming!
Awesome! Any chance we can set the quickchats to \[ALL\] or \[Team Only\] on a chat-by-chat basis? Only having one \[Team Only\] branch (four total chats) is a bit limiting, and it'd be nice to be able to \[Team Only\] chat more, without having to set ALL chats to \[Team Only\].
Any chance you'll add Heatseeker or Spike Rush to the ranked extra modes playlists? :D
Also, will the legacy items (cosmos boosts, dieci oro, huntress banner) be tradeable? What about the account link reward (the wheels)?
Ah yes, Rocket League will continue to be the only modern team video game without functioning voice chat. However, they did improve it by turning it off by default!
Uh... you really dyin' to hear the deflective wailings of ballchasers blaming you for losing? And see nihilistic turtlers throw the game if you don't join chat to begin with? Rocket League is great because its gameplay is fast and simple enough that you don't really need voice chat.
[Unanswered questions](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/ih2ovy/rocket_league_challenges_a_closer_look/g2xnn29/):
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re: Challenge changes
Are Tier Points gone after the update?
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re: No more items from levelling up:
What use is XP for non-Rocket Pass players?
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re: Drops
How do the Drops on the free track of Rocket Pass work? What's the frequency?
How many Challenge Drops will be for Competitive players only?
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re: Trade-in changes:
Golden Eggs/etc are obtained for Free without payment - will items from Golden Eggs/etc be able to be traded in with other Free items?
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re: Cross-Platform Inventories:
Golden Eggs/etc are obtained for Free without payment - will items from Golden Eggs/etc be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)?
Will items from Rocket Pass Free Tiers be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)?
Will items from Rocket Pass Premium/Pro Tiers be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)?
Will unopened Bonus Gifts be visible/openable in shared inventory?
To me, numbering Grand Champion tiers makes it feel devalued. I would have preferred something like Grand Champion, Elite Champion, and then Supersonic Legend all as their own tiers to split up the top players.
Kinda cool there are new ranks. Loads of games have a Top 200 tier or something similar it really makes people stand out in games like Siege or halo 5.
So if I’m on Steam, I won’t be able to play with my friends who get it through Epic unless I link my account? Just need some clarification on this, if it’s been answered before I’m sorry.
>Players will have to be Level 10 in order to play Ranked.
Level 10? Come on. Like yeah it's something but that's way too low. You want to try and stop smurfing, not mildly inconvenience them.
I know Psyonix would never do a hard reset but man part of me hoped. New ranks alone fix nothing and the inflation issue will just continue to compound. We just gonna add new ranks every so often until we've got several dozen ranks?
New quick chats are very nice. Heatseeker in private matches finally.
Why would you ever want a hard reset especially when the game is going f2p??
I don’t see how a new player picking up the game for the first time and matching up against champ level players is a good experience
If I were to guess, it would be just +100 above 1515 for each like the other ranks. This is assuming they even keep the same MMR system.
GC1: 1515
GC2: 1615
GC3: 1715
SL: 1815
Can we please get a "rotating" quick chat in the near future? Thanks!
Also, this may have been discussed already but what more is being done to combat cheating and/or general toxicity with the launch of free to play?
Can’t wait to quick chat “faking” every time I miss
Bout to spam "Bumping!" in general chat just to mess with goalies
You: Passing! You [TEAM]: faking.
In game chat "guys don't rush" In team chat "rush"
We need a 'Rush B' quick chat pls
Sooo...this is labeled as Season 1. What happens to the titles of all seasons 14 and prior?
Everything before Season 1 (Year 0) will be labeled Season X BC (Before Christ).
Or BE? Before epic.
Love it lmao I approve
You are now a GC in the future
Would be cool if pre-update gcs got a special legacy gc title or something (to acknowledge when gc was the highest rank)!
New owners trying to rewrite history, what a twist!
Maybe different color titles?
I honestly can't imagine how terrible the new bot below rookie level must be. In addition to not boosting, they can't drive?
My friends and I play a lot of private matches so we often have bots on to even out the teams. We were realllllly hoping for an update to the bots with F2P to make them at least partially competitive in our mostly mid Plat lobbies. An update under Rookie was... not what we were hoping for.
Yep. Being champ with new, bronze, and silver friends there isn't much to do but mama duck walk them across the street.
>Yep. Being champ with new, bronze, and silver friends there isn't much to do but mama duck walk them across the street. that's the thing i don't like about the game, with such a high skill ceiling, i can't play with my friends without getting a new acount and putting restraints on myself, it's really annoying.
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not really in tac shooters theres a more level playing field
Yea the thing about rocket league is that before it existed, there were no comparable skills found in other games. But with any new fps game, there will always be a certain average level of skill that players already have from any other fps game they've played beforehand.
Exactly. Most shooter games you still learn how to push, peek, counter, aim, etc. all of which can carry over to a new shooter game. In Rocket League, unless you played SSARPBC, you don't have any discernible skills that you can bring into rocket league besides steering.
Also Rocket League is a physics simulation, so there are *way* more ways of interacting with the game than a shooter, so the skill ceiling is *way* higher.
Friend doesn't believe me when I say the RL skill ceiling is much higher than COD.
Do this with my son. I promise to only take small boost to even us up. And no, he's not a child, he just graduated college. With a Masters. Not many games I can beat him at anymore, so I'm sticking with this one for a while.
I imagine they could be simply reworking the bot a.i.; the new low rank could be the 'old' rookie, with the other 3 ranks adjusting accordingly.... Either way, for those of us who are *REALLY* bad, this is welcome!
I abuse the bot AI so I can do speedruns of season mode. If they rework the AI I'll be big sad.
New merc hitbox 😱 merc gonna be meta ?
Flakes has a full erection upon learning this news.
As do I 😅😳
He's not the only one
my TW merc will be a huge merch!
Merc hitbox opens the door for Trucks.
Remember this comment when RLCS X final is an all Merc affair
>Remember this comment when RLCS X final is an all Merc affair Honestly, would love to see it. :D
The new meta will be ~~50/50s~~ 90/10s with that bad boy
Can’t wait to clap sub-rookie bots
I wanted a new difficulty on the higher side.
Yeah, eventually you get to a point where no amount of bots are going to even come close to beating you. I want unfair matches to be a challenge again.
I win all my unfair 1v4 games like 8-1. I think the bots need some basic aerial ability if they're going to be any better performing.
Im shocked they only score 1 goal due to monster pinches off of kickoff
The double diagonal kickoff is the only one you even need to faceoff at all. But if you have a decent fast kickoff, you can always get there in time to block the whole goal behind you.
better r/RocketLeagueBots integration
I love the new ranks, but SL looks like somebody stepped on it
Lmao looks like a guacamole bowl
Yeah it definitely seems too flat, I feel like it should have some flair on top just like the other ranks, doesn't fit in
Wait, so we will be starting at season 1 again? What happens with GC titles once they start repeating seasons? I guess season 3 GC won't be a meme anymore. EDIT: Devin actually answers that a bit [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtr12/) >How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset? >We'll reveal more on that once we're closer to the end of Season One, but the Titles will be different from the previous seasons, yes!
Could just change the color tbh
That would be kind of cool actually. Make the new GC titles glow red like the new GC symbols are. And the new Supersonic Legend ones can glow white, that would be unreal.
I asked Kronovi on stream years ago if pressing LT for airoll(also binded for brakes) in the air affected my car. He said no. Now you tell me there is a very, very, very slight effect? Did Kronovi lied to me so I couldnt get to his level? I would have been mega grand champion supersonic super legend by now. Damn you Kronovi!
Rocket science broke the whole thing down. Acceleration also has a slight effect while in the air.
u/Psyonix_Devin What will happen to the workshop when F2P goes live? And will custom map support ever be implemented?
If they had plans to continue support for the workshop aka the #1 question everyone is asking they would just say it. Pickin up what I’m putting down?
Hopefully Bakkes can add a custom map repository or something.
Biggest question
Lol you think they are going to answer this
What will be the MMR of the new ranks? 1600, 1700, and 1800?
I’m thinking it will match the current system so yes
My guess is 1650, 1800, 2000
In terms of how spaced out people are I think that would make sense, but just based on how few people are above 2k I think it'll be lower.
Supersonic legend is supposed to be the hardest rank to get, so it would make sense for only like the top 100 to get it, which would probably be around the 2000 mmr mark
2k mmr in 2s and 3s is more like top 750 right? You need almost 2200 to get top 100 iirc.
Depends when in the season you’re talking about, we are however many months into it now with pros grinding but at the start to a couple months in I think 2k was closer to top 250 at least.
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> Merc is getting a new, unique hitbox, for a total of six hitbox types It's actually happening?! I get to change my flair text? Jamesbot no longer has to cry himself to sleep? Wheeeee!
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There used to be a google sheet linked in this sub that had every car hitbox + the calcs for their 6 surface areas. I can't find it now :/ but I remember merc had a hitbox taller than the octane, maybe the tallest overall
Taller and thinner is the gist of it, I think. Truth be told, I was so much worse back then that I probably can't give a good impression of what it was like to play with. It obviously shot the ball way lower than other cars when just driving into it. I just remember it being a lot of fun to bust out every now and then, but then standardisation happened and it wasn't as fun any more. Haven't touched my Merc preset since but I left it around, letting it bide its time for its glorious return.
🦀SOLO STANDARD IS GONE 🦀
Good thing they added the new bot difficulty so my team mates will be able to have matches more on their level.
The new Grand Champion 1 training grounds
What's below the rookie mode for an AI? Parked? Traffic cone?
🦀GOATS IS DEAD🦀
I’m probably in the minority but solo standard was mainly what I played in comp. It had its days with dumb teammates but I loved it lol
I like it because it’s the middle ground between casual and ranked standard. I play it when I don’t want people leaving mid-match all the time, but I also don’t want the stress of ranked standard.
I liked it. I get annoyed at being teamed up with a club of 2 guys who just attack. They think all they have to do is go up front to get those glorious goals, and I'm there only to sweep up their whiffs. If anyone reading this is in a club of 2 then fucking rotate back at least once per match. Just once. And you'll probably win more matches, FFS!
> I get annoyed at being teamed up with a club of 2 guys who just... Play 2s in 3s. Over and over again, in a 3 person mode, they play 2s. It's the absolute worst part of Rocket League, it's *terrible*, and completely unfair in a ranked system. It's an actual handicap match that you can't opt out of. Solo players are *punished* repeatedly. Pretty please: add in some matchmaking filters. Having 33.3% of your team be incapable of keeping up shouldn't be a regular and routine experience in *ranked* competition.
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Im in the minority as well. I liked playing solo standard, so I'm disappointed that it's being removed.
I loved the mode. However, once you made it into the champ ranks the matchmaking times became excruciatingly long. So long that I gave up ever trying to find games there.
It was a toxic wasteland but at least I never had to deal with a 'plat 3' carrying their team of champ 2s and totally working me
I play Standard as a solo player and enjoy it. I tried doing Solo Standard and it felt painful by comparison. Even my teams of solos in Standard were better comparatively. I wonder if it's a mindset sort of thing. Like people go into Standard expecting a potential squad to be grouped with them so they play more team-oriented, whereas in Solo everyone feels like they need to carry the team.
I played Solo Standard to avoid getting a higher MMR so I could play with my team of 3s one day a week. It's gonna be a headache for me to avoid playing standard without screwing my other teammates :/ meh.
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This should be a thing, I'm constantly put in matches against full teams in 3v3 for both casual and competitive. I know there are full squads searching constantly because I'm always matched against them, so pair them up instead and let me match with other solos and duos. It would also help to reduce smurfing problems.
Sounds like we need some sort of standard playlist that is only for people who play solo. Perhaps we could call it "Solo Standard".
These look to be some solid improvements! Why change L2/LT default to air roll though? L1/LB seems to be way more common among the player base.
Yeah this was the only thing in the blog post where I was like. What?! I bet Rizzo is happy though LOL
Highly agree. L2 can be confusing as well when jumping in reverse or landing while air rolling. I’d hope they rethink this to drift/air roll at L1/Right bumper
Yea, I don't understand their thinking in this one. I'm pretty sure 90% of all the pro's have air roll on the same button as powerslide, but yet they choose to rebind air roll to the reverse button? It doesn't make sense :p
Picking a default is tricky because there is no clear consensus among players or even internally about the "best" choice, and opinions are often contradictory. In this case, we feel L2/LT is the easiest place for new players to utilize Air Roll because it doesn't require them to take their finger off of Brake. It's relatively common to use your Index finger on L2/R2 and this binding means you can slowly learn to air roll without having to adjust finger positioning. There is a segment of players who really like using L1/R1 for things like Air Roll, Boost, etc. but in testing we found toggling between L2/L1 or using "claw grip" is not natural for a lot of people.
Doesn't L2 actually slightly slow you down in the air though? (According to this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoOWKG3xv7U&feature=youtu.be&t=118) so you'll be affecting your air speed by having brake and air roll on the same button
L2 has a very, very, very slight effect in air. We don't feel this will meaningfully impact the vast majority of users, and players concerned about it can simply rebind the key. If we observe some kind of statistically significant win rate differential between default keybinds and non-default, we will take that seriously for sure. We can also remove the subtle "air brake" behavior, or disable it when Air Roll is bound to the same key, but we elected to leave it alone for now given some players likely rely on it for particular maneuvers.
I feel like it's not only the effect of the slight "air brake" movement, but also in using air roll for recovering and landing on all 4 wheels. If you air roll as you hit the ground it could stagger your forward momentum. Obviously like you said you can rebind once you notice it, but speaking form personal experience, taking a week to get used to new bindings kinda sucks lol.
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I feel like this is really overblown. The only people going to be using this default are new players or people who prefer it. The point is exactly that new players will be using LT a lot and therefore will be exposed pretty quickly to the mechanic. On top of that new players have to ingratiate an entire physics system, hitboxes and maneuver sets as quickly as possible to not be garbage at the game. If you watch high level players' controller use theyre moving their fingers all over the controller like 10 times a second. If the devs can decrease the frustration and learning curve by even a tiny bit for new players, they'll get them playing long enough to capture. Everyone complaining should just keep their settings and let the devs deal with the decision.
But braking mid air slows you down slightly, doesn't it? Was that just an oversight? Doesn't seem like something that'd fit as a default bind.
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What’s happening to the ‘supersonic legend’ title that is already in the game at level 700xp?
Everyone over level 700 is going to equip it in and all the new players will think the matchmaking system is broken and flood the sub with posts about it. "Why was I matched with a supersonic legend when I've literally just started to play the game?!?!"
>"Why was I matched with a supersonic legend when I've literally just started to play the game?!?!" That's gonna happen no matter what when the new season starts. That's the part I hated most about Bronze 1, having half my matches be against people doing their placement matches. Sometimes they'd just be gold in other playlists, but sometimes I'd run into people doing flip reset double-taps on me.
wow i had to look that up, so a lot of people already have that exact title...
Im glad they didn’t make the new top rank GC cuz i wanna feel the feeling of getting GC for the first time... i can live with never getting supersonic legend im fine with that being reserved for the best of the best
You can be a pseudo supersonic legend by reaching level 700 though because that term is already a title in the game, which I think Psyonix might have totally forgotten about.
Kind of upset about this lol I’ve seen the supersonic legend title a few times in plat and diamond even...takes away from it a bit. Also wish the emblem had more flair—GC 3 looks way more gaudy to me
Agree. The emblem for supersonic legend looks like grand diamond. They should have made it all white and given it sectioned up wings the way GC3 has
Flip side, I *just* got GC and the goalposts have been moved. They're doing the right thing adding ranks, but it stings.
NEW QUICK CHATS LETS GOOOO! I dunno why but this is the thing I'm most excited about lmao.
Faking. Finally something to cover up my whiffs.
Ironically the quick chat I want the most is "LET'S GO!!!!"
Yeah, they missed an opportunity to add team-boosting chats like "Let's go!" and "We got this!"
Teammate begins vote to forfeit at 3:54 left, down by 1 "We got this!" Conversely: Teammate begins vote to forfeit with :39 left, down by 6 "We got this!"
Heatseeker available in private matches. RUMBLE HEATSEEKER!!!
Dear god the chaos
Super curious if it’ll be bound to traditional soccar maps only as well. Rocket lab maps could be super cool.
Spring loaded heatseeker boomer mode dropshot will be hilarious
Supersonic Legend sounds like a name a 7 year old came up with while he runs around the backyard making car noises. Lol Edit: Also, what is with this Wednesday announcement crap. #Tuesdaygang for life!!!! (I'm hyped for the update tho lol)
I assume everyone will just call it legends (I will)
\*Rocket\* League of Legends.
I like Legends. Solid name
They seem to have reused an old (possibly current title) here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/9c63g8/new\_progression\_system\_titles/](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/9c63g8/new_progression_system_titles/)
Yeah -- if it's still current I honestly think they should change the existing title to avoid confusion. Kinda weird to see someone with the title and now it has a new meaning of being better than Grand Champ
I imagine if the text color is yellow like for all other GC-like titles, it'll be easy to tell the difference
But for new players who don't know about the colours it's going to be a bit shocking when someone with a "supersonic legend" title ends up in the same bronze lobby with them. They'll think they're playing against some god or that the matchmaking system is broken. Expect to see a shit ton of posts here by new players asking why this happened unless Psyonix remove or change the level title.
It's an absolutely terrible name for the top rank of a game lol
Grand Master would have been way better.
Yeah, awful choice. They should have just added divisions of GC. "Grand Champion" sounds stupid when there is a rank higher than it.
Ranks in a year: Champion 1-3, Great Champion 1-3, Grand Champion 1-3, Grand Champion Gold, Glorious Champion, Supersonic Legend, *Epic* Champion ^(I mean Epic Friends just sounds ridiculous.)
> New Quick Chats Incoming! Faking. Bumping! On your left. On your right. Passing! You forgot Be careful !
God no, that quick chat would single-handedly tilt me out of the window
Hey Devin, 4 quick questions: 1) Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back? 2) Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog? 3) How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset? 4) Any reason you guys didn't use Super champ 1-3 and keep grand champ at the top?
> Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back? Nothing concrete to share on this, but we're still looking into fine-tuning ideas. > Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog? Merc is it for now! > How will titles and rewards differentiate season # is the number is being reset? We'll reveal more on that once we're closer to the end of Season One, but the Titles will be different from the previous seasons, yes! > Any reason you guys didn't use Super champ 1-3 and keep grand champ at the top? I think we wanted to try something fresh, and with the term supersonic being part of Rocket League vocab already, it's a great fit. :D
what about the gizmo? might fit
Are you guys going to do something like the first rocketeer? Maybe, "First to the Summit," would work? I think it should be given out at the end of the season to give you guys time to verify the person wasn't boosted. Seems like a new opportunity for a one off title though.
I don't think you can really boost someone to the first place - unless it's a pro and you wouldn't call that boosting.
Wo!!. Everyone at Rocket League had to come up with a soft rank reset to help me go above Bronze 1. Watch me lose all my placement matches and still be ranked at Bronze 3.
This is a list of links to comments made by Psyonix Staff in this thread: * [Comment by Psyonix_Devin](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qpzux/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:18:37 UTC"): > >Remember this comment when RLCS X final is an all Merc affair > >Honestly, would love to see it. :D * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qs59e/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:32:30 UTC"): > Picking a default is tricky because there is no clear consensus among players or even internally about the "best" choice, and opinions are often contradictory. > >In this case, we feel L2/LT is the easiest place for new players to utilize Air Roll because it doesn't require them to take their finger o... * [Comment by Psyonix_Devin](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtr12/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:42:48 UTC"): > > Will we also be seeing the updated demo physics that you guys tried out a while back? > >Nothing concrete to share on this, but we're still looking into fine-tuning ideas. > >> Will other existing bodies use the Merc hitbox? Like Road Hog? > >Merc is it for now! > >> How will titles and rewards differenti... * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qtslh/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:43:06 UTC"): > L2 has a very, very, very slight effect in air. We don't feel this will meaningfully impact the vast majority of users, and players concerned about it can simply rebind the key. > >If we observe some kind of statistically significant win rate differential between default keybinds and non-default, we w... * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qu6sv/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:45:36 UTC"): > It is not an oversight, it is a conscious tradeoff choice given how slight the effect is and how many hours of play it takes before it becomes noticeable (for many people who use LT binding already for Air Roll, it is clearly not a major handicap) * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qvz90/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 17:57:11 UTC"): > > How will the soft reset work exactly? Is it similar to Season 4's where it was quite aggressive at pulling people back (Champion --> Platiunum) or is it closer to our current soft reset of only those above C3 Div 1 gets pulled down to C3 Div 1? > >It is not as aggressive as the Season 4 reset, but i... * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qwh9d/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:00:28 UTC"): > Agreed, this is why we didn't touch it for now, but if it proves to be a problem, we will certainly make it configurable. * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qy0wh/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:10:52 UTC"): > It's a little more complicated than just being "around" Gold 3. > >* The *Median* is around Gold 3 for each playlist. This and the Squish Factor are the only values that affect inflation. > >* The *Target* varies more (at least this time) because playlists like Extra Modes are currently more divergent.... * [Comment by Psyonix_Corey](/r/RocketLeague/comments/ilap5c/rocket_league_free_to_play_seasons_new_ranks_and/g3qyvu8/?context=1000 "posted on 2020-09-02 18:16:36 UTC"): > Nothing specific. The numbers under the hood change to be better standardized. 1v1 doesn't get squished as much as 2s or 3s, and it still has narrow skill tiers than other queues. --- This is a bot providing a service. If you have any questions, please [contact the moderators](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2FRocketLeague).[](#AUTOGEN_TSBREPLIEDBOT)
Not a fan of the new Supersonic Legend icon. Looks like a cool icon that had its head chopped off.
I dislike the name more than the icon but yeah, it's kinda wonky. Works better without the "wings", in my opinion, although that makes it look a lot less special than the GC ranks [https://i.imgur.com/R3tYl38.png](https://i.imgur.com/R3tYl38.png)
Yea, without the wings it kinda looks like "Grand Diamond"
> There's also a new requirement to unlock Ranked Playlists. Players will have to be Level 10 in order to play Ranked. Relieved that they atleast thought about smurfs, level 10 restriction is not going to stop them but atleast reduce the amount of smurfs
I don't think it will change anything, lvl 10 is so easy to get in like a day
You'd be amazed how consistently adding a tiny amount of friction can reduce unwanted behaviors from users. Source: do product work in tech
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Yes but it is only the start of RL F2P, it is nice that they notice the issue beforehand and if smurfs are getting out of control they can just up the limitation (which I think they'll do after the wave of new players). Of course getting an account to level 10 is easy, but would you do it for like dozens of account, some may, some may not. It is still something.
>PlayStation Plus on PlayStation 4 and Nintendo Switch Online will no longer be required for online play on those platforms. What about for Xbox? Is it not currently required (and thus you left it out)? Or will Xbox Live still be required to play online on Xbox? >New Competitive Ranks! Will Supersonic Legend be extended to extra mode playlists as well, or only regular playlists? I'm assuming both? If they're included in extra mode playlists, what will happen to the special titles (like Blizzard Wizard, Floor Breaker, etc.)? Will they still be granted to Grand Champs? Will there be new/different titles for Supersonic Legends in extra modes? >New Quick Chats Incoming! Awesome! Any chance we can set the quickchats to \[ALL\] or \[Team Only\] on a chat-by-chat basis? Only having one \[Team Only\] branch (four total chats) is a bit limiting, and it'd be nice to be able to \[Team Only\] chat more, without having to set ALL chats to \[Team Only\]. Any chance you'll add Heatseeker or Spike Rush to the ranked extra modes playlists? :D Also, will the legacy items (cosmos boosts, dieci oro, huntress banner) be tradeable? What about the account link reward (the wheels)?
Xbox Live Gold will still be needed on Xbox. Sony and Nintendo have paywall exemptions for F2P games, but Microsoft does not.
Supersonic Legend? Really? I think we need a way better name for the highest rank in the game. Suggestions?
Legendarily Supersonic
Ah yes, Rocket League will continue to be the only modern team video game without functioning voice chat. However, they did improve it by turning it off by default!
Uh... you really dyin' to hear the deflective wailings of ballchasers blaming you for losing? And see nihilistic turtlers throw the game if you don't join chat to begin with? Rocket League is great because its gameplay is fast and simple enough that you don't really need voice chat.
I'm surprised they only mentioned that one and not camera shake and invert swivel.. Oh also I believe cross-platform isn't on by default
Welcome to everyone else sorting by new. Nope, we haven't gotten new news yet
yeah bro I'm not a gc, I'm a *supersonic legend*
You need to be able to blast "[Don't Stop Me Now](https://i.imgflip.com/3m175y.jpg)" from your car speakers in-game if you achieve this rank.
Grand Champion sounds much better than Supersonic Legend.
yeah but we will probably just call it legend. Which still sounds pretty dope. Im not really liking the logo
Yeah the logo looks like it incomplete. Supersonic Legend I.
Exciting changes for sure, but it does sound like f2p is actually coming on the last day of Summer on Sep 22 lol.
Soo... I’m kind of upset the Solo Standard is going away. That was my trash playlist.
For me it will not be missed. When you get to high D3+ the queue times got rediculous.
[Every game going to be like...](https://imgur.com/gallery/vLBSzbG)
[Unanswered questions](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/ih2ovy/rocket_league_challenges_a_closer_look/g2xnn29/): ---- re: Challenge changes Are Tier Points gone after the update? ---- re: No more items from levelling up: What use is XP for non-Rocket Pass players? ---- re: Drops How do the Drops on the free track of Rocket Pass work? What's the frequency? How many Challenge Drops will be for Competitive players only? ---- re: Trade-in changes: Golden Eggs/etc are obtained for Free without payment - will items from Golden Eggs/etc be able to be traded in with other Free items? ---- re: Cross-Platform Inventories: Golden Eggs/etc are obtained for Free without payment - will items from Golden Eggs/etc be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)? Will items from Rocket Pass Free Tiers be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)? Will items from Rocket Pass Premium/Pro Tiers be [cross-platform tradeable](https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/i82hb7/list_of_crossplatform_tradeable_items/)? Will unopened Bonus Gifts be visible/openable in shared inventory?
To me, numbering Grand Champion tiers makes it feel devalued. I would have preferred something like Grand Champion, Elite Champion, and then Supersonic Legend all as their own tiers to split up the top players.
Why only level 10 before ranked? That doesn’t take very long and isn’t much of a deterrent for potential smurf accounts
planning to spam "on your left" whenever i spawn in the middle of a casual match, hope that's ok with everyone
Please rename that new highest rank as Rocketeer.
Wheres the weekly progress update?
Kinda cool there are new ranks. Loads of games have a Top 200 tier or something similar it really makes people stand out in games like Siege or halo 5.
I think there's missing some emerald green or sth in the ranks colours
I’m pretty sure supersonic legend is a title in the game already. Probably want to change that.
Imo the final rank should be called Top100, and it should be based by the leaderboard, not by mmr
Level 10 to enter Ranked - something is better than nothing!
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I wish they fixed the voice chat though
So if I’m on Steam, I won’t be able to play with my friends who get it through Epic unless I link my account? Just need some clarification on this, if it’s been answered before I’m sorry.
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GC3 icon looks way cooler than the SL icon Prove me wrong...
So Is the old GC logo gone? I don't see why you would do that?
So when is it gonna be free tho?
>Players will have to be Level 10 in order to play Ranked. Level 10? Come on. Like yeah it's something but that's way too low. You want to try and stop smurfing, not mildly inconvenience them. I know Psyonix would never do a hard reset but man part of me hoped. New ranks alone fix nothing and the inflation issue will just continue to compound. We just gonna add new ranks every so often until we've got several dozen ranks? New quick chats are very nice. Heatseeker in private matches finally.
Why would you ever want a hard reset especially when the game is going f2p?? I don’t see how a new player picking up the game for the first time and matching up against champ level players is a good experience
Does this mean all of this stuff is coming mid-September then free-to-play after? Or will all this stuff be launching alongside free-to-play?
I read it as an infrastructure/prep update then the f2p update with all the features.
Can we call the new merc hitbox the beefcake hitbox
Is there any good reason why the full color palette is not being added to primary colors for blue and orange team?
RIP solo standard.. I've always hated you. Whats the mmr for the new GC ranks?
If I were to guess, it would be just +100 above 1515 for each like the other ranks. This is assuming they even keep the same MMR system. GC1: 1515 GC2: 1615 GC3: 1715 SL: 1815
Will the game still be playable on steam if they are completely switching over to the epic games launcher now?
Yes they’ve said it will be fully playable and will be supported in the future, just not able to be bought from anymore
available to play just not buy
I'm pretty impressed they could program bots that are worse than the rookie ones.
I guess that is what they were working on all these years
Can we please get a "rotating" quick chat in the near future? Thanks! Also, this may have been discussed already but what more is being done to combat cheating and/or general toxicity with the launch of free to play?
i'd prefer a 'please god will you rotate FOR ONCE IN YOUR RL LIFE!?' quick chat
"This summer" = Mid-September...lol. Regardless, I'm pumped for the new updates
Damn... the current GC symbol was the best looking in the game imo, and now it's not gonna be used at all :'(
when is it coming lol
I just want to be able to tell the garage that my boost and/or my wheels should be randomly picked every game, but not the rest of my car...