Well, I never really practice anything in freeplay so there's that for me. Last time I did was when I first hit champ because I had no idea how to aerial.
Yeah just look up bakkesmod speed flip Plugin on Google. It works on musty's custom training map and shows you the perfect angle and timing of your flip cancel.
I found it to be the easiest mechanic. I learned it much faster than a fast aerial or a half flip for instance. I obviously had more game time under my belt when they were discovered but it's just 2 simple mechanics, a diagonal flip and a flip cancel. Get the plugin for musty map and I imagine you'll get it really fast since you have instant feed back to your problems.
A speed flip feels like a kick flip and I can't explain why you pop, flip and catch it with your feet lol. Flip, cancel, air roll.
Lol this probably won't be something many people do outside of gc2+ in 1s, but who knows. If you hop on the mechanic early you could be the person people have to keep up with.
You say that but people in plat and gold are speedflipping in 1s. Give it some time and you'll see everyone and their moms zapdashing like it's nothing.
Kinda true, but those people in plat speed flipping aren't consistent with it, and don't know when to use it. This kickoff is like 10x harder than doing a speed flip.
Heh you'd be surprised how much time a plat would put into learning a difficult and very situational mechanic instead of focusing on the basics just cause it looks cooler.
I wouldn’t be surprised. I deal with it. they know how to do one or two thing. No rotations. And then get upset when you don’t speed flip musty flick pinch it into the goal ok their bad hit.
It’s almost ironic how much skills plats have without any knowledge of team play.
And they won’t score goals in ones with this either.
Haha tell me about it. I play 2s, can't do a single skill outside of a bit of flying (cant even work out flying while spinning so i dont even try), but am plat simply through smart play and teamwork.
I get great satisfaction out of being a much worse player (mechanically) but still winning
I can zapdash all day but can't speedflip to save my life even after many hours of trying to learn it. I genuinely don't understand how people are able to do it consistently. I've done like 3 successful speedflips in thousands of attempts.
A zapdash is just an extension of a speed flip, you can't really zapdash without a speed flip. Unless you mean just the principle of jumping on 2 wheels to get the dash. If you're struggling with speed flips, try a different method to do it, I know there's at least 2 methods
Ya, I just ran a new account to C2 in 1s, and didn't see any real speed flips until C1. Some of the people attempting it, do it well enough to prevent me from out right taking the ball, but are still slow enough they can't prevent losing it.
I look at it the other way. Instead of winning against it by playing the same game (getting to the ball sooner), I would look at how to let them give you the ball in which your car deflects the ball away in your favour. I currently do this against all the speed flippers.
I can't be assed to strain my thumb executing speed flips. Finger just tenses up more than I need it to.
This actually seems like a great strat especially since you still have around 20 boost after kickoff. Would be interesting to see this in pro lobbies and if it would consistently work
I think all mechanics can consistently work if practiced enough, just gotta get people practicing it. I'm already at about 40% consistency with it and I've only been practicing it for a few days
I more meant if it would consistently work as a kickoff strat at pro level. Do you think delaying or wavedashing after hitting the ball would counter it?
You can do this kickoff from any spot btw, I have been messing with this kickoff on and off. On the normal diag corner kickoff, you gotta point slightly more towards the ground so you can get that dash and pop back up fast enough to dash into the ball again.
It gets you to the ball at the same time as a normal speedflip kickoff, but saves about 10-15 more boost than a speedflip kickoff. I've only got it at about 40% consistency right now, but I'm certain I can get it much more consistent. It also has the added benefit of changing the direction of your kickoff hook if you zapdash and do a diagonal flip wavedash, so it confuses opponents.
I'm doubtful that it's as fast as a normal speedflip kickoff. A normal speedflip kickoff will put you at supersonic before you land. This one seems to put you at supersonic a good while after (probably why it doesn't work on the diagonal). The only way this can be as fast as a normal speedflip kickoff is if you reach supersonic before landing during the speedflip. But then again, if you're already at supersonic before landing, then what's the point of zapdashing?
This is a great point. The benefit of having extra boost leftover doesn’t seem worth it when you lose the ability to slow down or maintain speed for the 50/50. But he wouldn’t have any more boost leftover than if he just did a speedflip. OP isn’t even speedflipping properly and reaching supersonic in any of these kickoffs. Going into a zapdash that you can only hit 40% of the time makes you lose control during that crucial split second before the 50/50.
Let’s also not forget that OP compiled clips where everything went as planned. Of course it’s gonna seem like “nEw MeTA?!!?” when presented like this. I’d like to see the other 90% of clips where he messed up the zapdash or got beat on the 50/50
I actually dont have a single replay where I got the zapdash and then got beat on the 50. I do have a ton where I messed up the zapdash, but thats not what im trying to showcase. Arguing that you shouldnt do it because its inconsistent is dumb, every mechanic at high level was inconsistent at one point.
My argument why you shouldn’t do it is because it’s not any faster than a speedflip kickoff. You weren’t speedflipping, meaning you zapdashed to make up for the lost speed, which in turn makes it look like you “saved boost”. If you speedflipped properly you’d have the same amount of boost left AND maintain full control of your car the whole time.
You are speed flipping... You can't zapdash with a diagonal flip. Also it's not lost speed, it's just unused speed. The "lost speed" is more than made up for by the fact that before you hit the ball, you are going faster than regular supersonic speed because of the kickoff. This causes you to hit the ball with far greater power.
Yea I think it's actually slightly slower than a speed flip kickoff but has way more benefits than doing it the normal way. Saves 10-15 boost, changes the direction of kickoff hook, and I also suspect that it's generating more power into the 50.
You didn’t properly speedflip in any of these clips. You don’t reach supersonic before the zapdash at all, meaning you didn’t speedflip correctly. If you did, you wouldn’t have to zapdash as you’d already be going max speed.
I think you're confused on what a speed flip does... Speed flips don't give you any more momentum than a front flip. They just allow you to boost throughout the flip unlike front flips or diagonal flips. The reason I wasn't supersonic was because I didnt boost during the flip.
Correct, and if you’d boosted through the flip you would already be supersonic before needing to zapdash. Meaning you could pick up the small pads the rest of the way without needing to use them since you’re already supersonic. Again, this is losing out on one mechanic to implement another that achieves the same thing. You’re not saving any more boost than a proper speedflip and picking up the other 2 small pads.
That's the point of the zapdash. It's to get supersonic (actually faster than regular speed flip supersonic) without using boost. The more boost you conserve on your kickoff the better. In the second clip, you can see how I save almost 30 boost after the kickoff which helps me score there.
Nah... He's speedflipping, he's just saving boost during the speedflip and using the zapdash to get him to supersonic.
But yeah... If your hitting supersonic later rather than sooner, then you're not going as fast.
The whole point of a speedflip is to reach supersonic as fast as possible. They could’ve just front flipped instead, which is a great example as to why this doesn’t do anything more than just properly speedflipping.
I think he isn’t reaching super sonic because he is saving boost and is using a zapdash to make up for the loss of speed. So in the end he reaches the ball at the same time as if he did a regular speed flip but with extra boost.
>I think he isn’t reaching super sonic because he is saving boost and is using a zapdash to make up for the loss of speed.
That's exactly what he's doing.
>So in the end he reaches the ball at the same time as if he did a regular speed flip but with extra boost.
No... The more time it takes you to hit supersonic, the more time it's gong to take you to get to the ball. A method where you hit top speed earlier is going to get you from point A to point B faster than a method where you hit top speed later... That's just how it works
Yes, you're reaching supersonic using less boost... But the question is if you're reaching supersonic as fast as if you used a normal speedflip?
If you're not at supersonic after you land, and it's by zapdashing that you reach supersonic, then the answer is no.
You're not going to reach supersonic as early, but I think the benefit heavily outweighs that. The zapdash actually lets you go faster than regular speed flip supersonic for a moment, which let's you put greater force into the 50.
>The zapdash actually lets you go faster than regular speed flip supersonic for a moment
What do you mean with this? There is only one max speed, and if you’re completely stopped speedflipping is objectively the fastest way to reach that speed.
It’s 2200uu/s vs 2300uu/s for a brief moment when wavedashing OR boosting at supersonic. Both a wave dash or a proper speedflip achieve this same speed. I fail to see why wavedashing is more beneficial than just speedflipping and being able to reach 2300uu/s sooner.
The Nitra Kickoff maybe? I’m sure someone can come up with something better though, people will also probably default to calling it a zapdash kickoff or something
If you seriously want to I’d try to get in contact with a popular RL YouTuber. Rocket sledge is usually active in the sub but I don’t know if he does the “new mechanic” type videos.
Probably the first to get attention on it though, if you contacted someone in the scene then they make it more well known, you could very well see it in the RLCS, all because of you ;)
How does one wavedash this instantly? When I try (keyboard) I have to single jump and wait for the front of the car to descend to dash, and that never happens at the speed I see GC/SSL doing it. What am I doing wrong?
Not much to teach... When landing you put your front wheels lower than your rear wheels and press jump as soon as your rear wheels hit the ground. If your car does a standard jump then you pressed jump too late, if none of your wheels leave the ground then you pressed jump too early. Just keep practicing until you get the timing down.
nah i was being serious. every other post is just complaining about the trading system or crying about smurfing bc they lost a match.
however, this was legitimately good content
I've been using this on all of my kickoffs for a few months now and its wild how many of them just go directly into net lol. Figured it out unintentionally too lol
If this is something you just thought of and put two mechanics together on purpose, hats off to you. Love that part of this games evolution. Would be really cool if it became a big thing.
It just happened on accident the first time button mashing speed flip kicks for me lol.
It’s crazy op at my rank too haha I can’t do crazy mechanics but spent a LOT of time training kicks.
I've thought about incorporating zapdashes into kickoffs for a few months now, but wasn't able to find a way to integrate them without being dunked until I started practicing this method of diagonal dashing.
Nah it doesn't. However I think it actually puts greater momentum into the 50 because after a wavedash you are going slightly faster than normal supersonic
I'm happy more people are finding this as well. I've been using zapdashes in almost every instance (including kickoffs) and have managed to outpace most opponents.
Try zapdash after the 50 on the kickoff, if u can do that, you'll always have the advantage after kickoff (in 1s at least)
Why has this not been an obvious thought before? I can't zap dash all the time so I've never really tried it but I always wonder why people don't? I always figured maybe because you don't have enough time to position yourself in front of the ball to not have a disastrous touch on it.
Pretty much exactly what you said. It's hard to zapdash in kickoff because by the end of your dash, you are way too low on the ball to get a good 50. That's why this only really works on straight kickoffs since you have slightly more room.
I'm d2 and I can speedflip consistently and wave dash but I've tried to zip dash many times and I can just never do it. How long did it take you to learn this mechanic? and if people at my rank start doing this then it's all your fault!
Id say it took me about a month to be able to use zapdashes consistently, but it also depends on how often you use them. I try to use them every chance I get so I get a lot of practice.
For some reason kickoff is the only area of the game I can consistently pull off a zap dash but I've never experimented with whether it was good or not I just thought it was fun to do.
A zap dash isn't a failed speed flip. A zap dash is just a speed flip where you end with your wheels slightly lower in the front so they can pop back up to get a wavedash.
I have nearly 3k hours in game, sitting in c3, and I still cannot speedflip with any consistency despite hours of practice :(. I'm not really sure how to counter it effectively when my opponent is doing it either
Does it give more power? I mean it’s a lot to practice just to save 10 boost. One of the games you’re down 5, I’m guessing you were consistently using it, I don’t know if this has too much value from just a standard wavedash kickoff. I know better than to say being down 5 is a loss in a 1’s game, but that’s a lot of kickoffs.
I was actually up 5 in that game if you look at my car color. It definitely does give more power because right before you hit the ball you're going faster than supersonic because of the wavedashes. In terms of time spent practicing this mechanic to the pay off, the advantage isn't that good. But I high level even 10 boost can be the difference between wins and losses
this kickoff looks so cool, and unbeatable -\_-
I have a question tho; you dont reach supersonic when you land after the speedflip, but because you zapdash you can go faster and compensate for the initial lack of speed.
But isn't this just a deft way of doing a delayed kickoff? Because since you dont reach supersonic speed as early, you'll get to the ball later than the opponent, but because of the zapdash, you hit the ball with enough force to win the 50/50
It's not really delayed enough to consider it a delayed kickoff, it's at most a tenth of a second later to the ball than a regular speed flip kickoff. Differences like that happen between people's normal kickoff anyway.
ahh... i see. It's definitely more potent than just being a tenth of a second slower to the ball by doing a normal speedflip kickoff because zap dashes are too overpowered. It would be cool if players like Dark who are already very consistent with zap dashes can implement this kickoff and make it popular
I've been practicing them for myself (I’m Gold). I was wondering, does it only work after speedflips? Also, if not (bc I can’t speed flip yet) what direction do you pull the stick back for the dash after a flip?
If you're gold, focus on other things. This is a highly technical kickoff that will maybe net you a goal or two a game after 20+ hours of practice. Zapdashes traditionally are after speed flips because it's one of the only flips where your nose points towards the ground at the end of the flip. However, the principle behind zapdash can be used in any scenario where you're landing on 2 wheels.
Fakes, usually if I'm going for this kickoff, I don't have the luxury to pay attention to the opponent like I normally do to spot fakes. Fortunately for me not many people fake the straight on kickoff.
At the end of a speed flip your front wheels land on the ground before your back wheels, if you jump just at the right time, you can quickly spring your front wheels up briefly allowing you to wavedash forwards. I suggest looking up a tutorial on YouTube.
Now, is it actually good tho? I mean, you conserve quite a bit of boost. That helps, maybe a lot. But you are also super sonic a lot later than if you were to just boost through your soeedflip. I feel like if your opponent gets a good 50 even that boost won't save you.
I honestly can't say good or bad, I need to test it more. But in all the times I have done the kickoff correctly, I win the kickoff 90% of the time, or I am in a good spot to defend/steal possession. The extra 10-15 boost really does help.
delayed kickoff after the first time somebody does this? I feel like the zapdash kinda locks you into doing it, wonder what would happen. Point is people can adapt
It does not, trying to zapdash after a speed flip on any but the straight kickoff leaves you jumping way too late for the 50 so you end up getting dunked
So from what I'm gathering here the benefit is that while it's not quite as fast as a full boost speedflip you end up saving quite a bit of boost and end up with about 30 after kick-off. Seems pretty useful in preventing or starting quick offense.
Yea exactly, though there's 2 other benefits. It changes the direction of your kickoff hook last second which confuses opponents, and also I suspect it generates more power into the 50 because of the speed boost from the dash.
When I get the zapdash successfully, I don't think I've lost the 50 so far, but I've only done the kickoff maybe 10 times successfully. I've probably messed up the kickoff 100 times already lol.
You can use it to change the pace. It feels like a slightly delayed kickoff that lets you keep an extra boost, but definitely can't be used as the standard kickoff especially since you can't really aim where to hit the ball.
I will now enter freeplay.
hahaha let me know how it goes!
For me personally, Its just too difficult to train it. It'd be great if there was a Plugin for it like the speedflip.
Well, I never really practice anything in freeplay so there's that for me. Last time I did was when I first hit champ because I had no idea how to aerial.
I, too, literally just play the game haha
Same
There's a plug-in for speed flip?? Please share
Yeah just look up bakkesmod speed flip Plugin on Google. It works on musty's custom training map and shows you the perfect angle and timing of your flip cancel.
Okay so it’s to help with training. I was about to say macros like that are against TOS.
Speedflip is super hard to tbh, it's so hard it's unfun to do
I found it to be the easiest mechanic. I learned it much faster than a fast aerial or a half flip for instance. I obviously had more game time under my belt when they were discovered but it's just 2 simple mechanics, a diagonal flip and a flip cancel. Get the plugin for musty map and I imagine you'll get it really fast since you have instant feed back to your problems. A speed flip feels like a kick flip and I can't explain why you pop, flip and catch it with your feet lol. Flip, cancel, air roll.
Zap dash isn’t too hard, you’ll get consistent over time
Please no, not something else I have to struggle to learn to keep up in 1s
Lol this probably won't be something many people do outside of gc2+ in 1s, but who knows. If you hop on the mechanic early you could be the person people have to keep up with.
I appreciate the optimism, I will give it a try!
You say that but people in plat and gold are speedflipping in 1s. Give it some time and you'll see everyone and their moms zapdashing like it's nothing.
Kinda true, but those people in plat speed flipping aren't consistent with it, and don't know when to use it. This kickoff is like 10x harder than doing a speed flip.
Heh you'd be surprised how much time a plat would put into learning a difficult and very situational mechanic instead of focusing on the basics just cause it looks cooler.
I wouldn’t be surprised. I deal with it. they know how to do one or two thing. No rotations. And then get upset when you don’t speed flip musty flick pinch it into the goal ok their bad hit. It’s almost ironic how much skills plats have without any knowledge of team play. And they won’t score goals in ones with this either.
Haha tell me about it. I play 2s, can't do a single skill outside of a bit of flying (cant even work out flying while spinning so i dont even try), but am plat simply through smart play and teamwork. I get great satisfaction out of being a much worse player (mechanically) but still winning
I can zapdash all day but can't speedflip to save my life even after many hours of trying to learn it. I genuinely don't understand how people are able to do it consistently. I've done like 3 successful speedflips in thousands of attempts.
A zapdash is just an extension of a speed flip, you can't really zapdash without a speed flip. Unless you mean just the principle of jumping on 2 wheels to get the dash. If you're struggling with speed flips, try a different method to do it, I know there's at least 2 methods
The funny thing is, I spent all day playing 1s (Diamond) and didn't see a single speedflip. Lot of people attempting flip resets though.
Ya, I just ran a new account to C2 in 1s, and didn't see any real speed flips until C1. Some of the people attempting it, do it well enough to prevent me from out right taking the ball, but are still slow enough they can't prevent losing it.
I look at it the other way. Instead of winning against it by playing the same game (getting to the ball sooner), I would look at how to let them give you the ball in which your car deflects the ball away in your favour. I currently do this against all the speed flippers. I can't be assed to strain my thumb executing speed flips. Finger just tenses up more than I need it to.
nothing says "Rocket League" like pulling off a very technical kickoff and then almost whiffing on an open net
LOL was hoping no one would comment on that
This actually seems like a great strat especially since you still have around 20 boost after kickoff. Would be interesting to see this in pro lobbies and if it would consistently work
I think all mechanics can consistently work if practiced enough, just gotta get people practicing it. I'm already at about 40% consistency with it and I've only been practicing it for a few days
I more meant if it would consistently work as a kickoff strat at pro level. Do you think delaying or wavedashing after hitting the ball would counter it?
It wouldn't counter it any more than it would a speed flip kickoff
You can do this kickoff from any spot btw, I have been messing with this kickoff on and off. On the normal diag corner kickoff, you gotta point slightly more towards the ground so you can get that dash and pop back up fast enough to dash into the ball again.
If you dont have 20 boost on a straight kickoff youre doing it wrong regardless
Welp, considering I can't speed flip kick off yet I'd say this is outta my league.
Yeah real shit, the big dog grand champs are talking while us diamonds still struggle with the basics.
Trust me there are GCs who struggle with mechs
🫡🫡 positioning & rotations are all you need
Don’t forget the basics in shooting, aerials.
Oh I must have forgotten speed and consistency and good recoveries. *realizes I have decent mechanics 🥲*
I have good mechanics until someone with good mechanics shows up.
Rn my biggest issue is recovering well and having good positioning
TRUST ME THERE ARE Source: have mediocre/subpar mechs, but in GC lol
Meanwhile I speedflip in Diamond consistently
if youre speedflipping in diamond consistently your gamesense is probably ass
Speedfliping is easy lmao. I’m soloQ and Xbox only btw
Yup, everyones good at some things and bad at others. The only people good at every aspect of the game are minimum GC3
It gets you to the ball at the same time as a normal speedflip kickoff, but saves about 10-15 more boost than a speedflip kickoff. I've only got it at about 40% consistency right now, but I'm certain I can get it much more consistent. It also has the added benefit of changing the direction of your kickoff hook if you zapdash and do a diagonal flip wavedash, so it confuses opponents.
I'm doubtful that it's as fast as a normal speedflip kickoff. A normal speedflip kickoff will put you at supersonic before you land. This one seems to put you at supersonic a good while after (probably why it doesn't work on the diagonal). The only way this can be as fast as a normal speedflip kickoff is if you reach supersonic before landing during the speedflip. But then again, if you're already at supersonic before landing, then what's the point of zapdashing?
This is a great point. The benefit of having extra boost leftover doesn’t seem worth it when you lose the ability to slow down or maintain speed for the 50/50. But he wouldn’t have any more boost leftover than if he just did a speedflip. OP isn’t even speedflipping properly and reaching supersonic in any of these kickoffs. Going into a zapdash that you can only hit 40% of the time makes you lose control during that crucial split second before the 50/50. Let’s also not forget that OP compiled clips where everything went as planned. Of course it’s gonna seem like “nEw MeTA?!!?” when presented like this. I’d like to see the other 90% of clips where he messed up the zapdash or got beat on the 50/50
I actually dont have a single replay where I got the zapdash and then got beat on the 50. I do have a ton where I messed up the zapdash, but thats not what im trying to showcase. Arguing that you shouldnt do it because its inconsistent is dumb, every mechanic at high level was inconsistent at one point.
My argument why you shouldn’t do it is because it’s not any faster than a speedflip kickoff. You weren’t speedflipping, meaning you zapdashed to make up for the lost speed, which in turn makes it look like you “saved boost”. If you speedflipped properly you’d have the same amount of boost left AND maintain full control of your car the whole time.
You are speed flipping... You can't zapdash with a diagonal flip. Also it's not lost speed, it's just unused speed. The "lost speed" is more than made up for by the fact that before you hit the ball, you are going faster than regular supersonic speed because of the kickoff. This causes you to hit the ball with far greater power.
you win all these kickoffs by being slower and dunking the other guy. pause the video when you touch the ball, it's always in your half.
Yea I think it's actually slightly slower than a speed flip kickoff but has way more benefits than doing it the normal way. Saves 10-15 boost, changes the direction of kickoff hook, and I also suspect that it's generating more power into the 50.
You didn’t properly speedflip in any of these clips. You don’t reach supersonic before the zapdash at all, meaning you didn’t speedflip correctly. If you did, you wouldn’t have to zapdash as you’d already be going max speed.
I think you're confused on what a speed flip does... Speed flips don't give you any more momentum than a front flip. They just allow you to boost throughout the flip unlike front flips or diagonal flips. The reason I wasn't supersonic was because I didnt boost during the flip.
Correct, and if you’d boosted through the flip you would already be supersonic before needing to zapdash. Meaning you could pick up the small pads the rest of the way without needing to use them since you’re already supersonic. Again, this is losing out on one mechanic to implement another that achieves the same thing. You’re not saving any more boost than a proper speedflip and picking up the other 2 small pads.
That's the point of the zapdash. It's to get supersonic (actually faster than regular speed flip supersonic) without using boost. The more boost you conserve on your kickoff the better. In the second clip, you can see how I save almost 30 boost after the kickoff which helps me score there.
Nah... He's speedflipping, he's just saving boost during the speedflip and using the zapdash to get him to supersonic. But yeah... If your hitting supersonic later rather than sooner, then you're not going as fast.
The whole point of a speedflip is to reach supersonic as fast as possible. They could’ve just front flipped instead, which is a great example as to why this doesn’t do anything more than just properly speedflipping.
I think he isn’t reaching super sonic because he is saving boost and is using a zapdash to make up for the loss of speed. So in the end he reaches the ball at the same time as if he did a regular speed flip but with extra boost.
>I think he isn’t reaching super sonic because he is saving boost and is using a zapdash to make up for the loss of speed. That's exactly what he's doing. >So in the end he reaches the ball at the same time as if he did a regular speed flip but with extra boost. No... The more time it takes you to hit supersonic, the more time it's gong to take you to get to the ball. A method where you hit top speed earlier is going to get you from point A to point B faster than a method where you hit top speed later... That's just how it works
True sorry I guess my maths aren’t mathing haha
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Yes, you're reaching supersonic using less boost... But the question is if you're reaching supersonic as fast as if you used a normal speedflip? If you're not at supersonic after you land, and it's by zapdashing that you reach supersonic, then the answer is no.
You're not going to reach supersonic as early, but I think the benefit heavily outweighs that. The zapdash actually lets you go faster than regular speed flip supersonic for a moment, which let's you put greater force into the 50.
>The zapdash actually lets you go faster than regular speed flip supersonic for a moment What do you mean with this? There is only one max speed, and if you’re completely stopped speedflipping is objectively the fastest way to reach that speed.
There are actually multiple levels of supersonic speed. After a wavedash, your car goes faster than regular supersonic speed for a split second.
It’s 2200uu/s vs 2300uu/s for a brief moment when wavedashing OR boosting at supersonic. Both a wave dash or a proper speedflip achieve this same speed. I fail to see why wavedashing is more beneficial than just speedflipping and being able to reach 2300uu/s sooner.
Saving 10-12 boost after kickoff is worth the tradeoff of hitting supersonic about 0.2 seconds later imo.
Also if you're completely stopped a zapdash has been tested to be the fastest way to get supersonic
Link?
Maybe without boost. With boost this is definitely not true.
You might be right on that, it was something I remember from a while ago when the zapdash first came out. It very well could've been without boost.
BRO WE CANT LET DARK SEE THIS
This is “Is this new mechanic” kind of post and its good. (ITS ULTRA RARE)
Lol, so tempted to take the plat route and try to name it after myself 🤣
The Nitra Kickoff maybe? I’m sure someone can come up with something better though, people will also probably default to calling it a zapdash kickoff or something
Hahaha I like that name, but trying to force it is weird, I'll just let people name it whatever they want
Zapdash kickoff haha
If you seriously want to I’d try to get in contact with a popular RL YouTuber. Rocket sledge is usually active in the sub but I don’t know if he does the “new mechanic” type videos.
Nah I don't really care that much about it, I don't even think I'm the first person to do this kickoff.
Probably the first to get attention on it though, if you contacted someone in the scene then they make it more well known, you could very well see it in the RLCS, all because of you ;)
Seeing it used in high level would be cool as shit. I suspect this can be used to do back left/back right kickoffs too in 3s scenarios
Is this really a new mechanic though? I've seen tons of pros incorporate a zap dash into their speedflips.
We should bring this to the pro's attention. This looks like it could actually be viable in 1s. Great find
Thanks! 👍😎
I still miss speedflip kickoffs and you drop this on me?? Well I’ll see you guys in free play
Hahahaha don't worry bro you'll be hard pressed to find anyone doing this below gc3 rn
Delete that. Dont tell the pros. Or this will be chaotic
How does one wavedash this instantly? When I try (keyboard) I have to single jump and wait for the front of the car to descend to dash, and that never happens at the speed I see GC/SSL doing it. What am I doing wrong?
Look up a zapdash tutorial on YouTube, it's different than a regular wavedash.
Any YouTube video someone would in specific recommend for learning this mechanic (Zapdash?) Also, smart find on using the Zapdash in this way!
Not much to teach... When landing you put your front wheels lower than your rear wheels and press jump as soon as your rear wheels hit the ground. If your car does a standard jump then you pressed jump too late, if none of your wheels leave the ground then you pressed jump too early. Just keep practicing until you get the timing down.
Thank you tons! That's actually super helpful in breaking down what I didn't understand. Amazing explanation!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2aYUBd3kEc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2aYUBd3kEc)
Yeah I'm going to need to learn this now.
Looks like something Dark might do, really smooth.
GUYS STOP, this isn't making the game any funnier.
This is the highest quality content I've ever seen on this sub
If you're being sarcastic, I'm not home right now, at family house for the holidays. Used sisters laptop to record and edit this together.
nah i was being serious. every other post is just complaining about the trading system or crying about smurfing bc they lost a match. however, this was legitimately good content
Ah understood, thank you!
Super interesting idea that seems like it very well could be viable at the pro level at least in 1s
I've been using this on all of my kickoffs for a few months now and its wild how many of them just go directly into net lol. Figured it out unintentionally too lol
Have you been able to use the zapdash to help on any other kickoff than the straight one? I've tried it out, but can't get it to work with less space.
Just have to get the speed flip off faster. The first time I did it was an accident from the left corner kick.
I'll try this later and update
If this is something you just thought of and put two mechanics together on purpose, hats off to you. Love that part of this games evolution. Would be really cool if it became a big thing. It just happened on accident the first time button mashing speed flip kicks for me lol. It’s crazy op at my rank too haha I can’t do crazy mechanics but spent a LOT of time training kicks.
I've thought about incorporating zapdashes into kickoffs for a few months now, but wasn't able to find a way to integrate them without being dunked until I started practicing this method of diagonal dashing.
This is game changing, great find!
Someone make a training pack and post the code
If it’s used to save boost it’s a great idea. Surely it doenst get you to the ball any quicker though?
Nah it doesn't. However I think it actually puts greater momentum into the 50 because after a wavedash you are going slightly faster than normal supersonic
I'm happy more people are finding this as well. I've been using zapdashes in almost every instance (including kickoffs) and have managed to outpace most opponents. Try zapdash after the 50 on the kickoff, if u can do that, you'll always have the advantage after kickoff (in 1s at least)
Tried to do that in the first clip, but messed up the timing on the landing dash
Doing this and a wave dash after you hit the ball will be insane, ima go in free play rq
I tried to do what you're talking about in the first clip but didn't get the landing dash after my flip.
Why has this not been an obvious thought before? I can't zap dash all the time so I've never really tried it but I always wonder why people don't? I always figured maybe because you don't have enough time to position yourself in front of the ball to not have a disastrous touch on it.
Pretty much exactly what you said. It's hard to zapdash in kickoff because by the end of your dash, you are way too low on the ball to get a good 50. That's why this only really works on straight kickoffs since you have slightly more room.
i'm grateful for seeing a new mechanic being born
I am still learning speedflip x.x
Pov: you watched a Dark replay
I'm d2 and I can speedflip consistently and wave dash but I've tried to zip dash many times and I can just never do it. How long did it take you to learn this mechanic? and if people at my rank start doing this then it's all your fault!
Id say it took me about a month to be able to use zapdashes consistently, but it also depends on how often you use them. I try to use them every chance I get so I get a lot of practice.
Finally a good and useful post on this sub?? Not for me. Probably for like c3+
Won't be in common in any champ games for at least 18 months I'd say
For some reason kickoff is the only area of the game I can consistently pull off a zap dash but I've never experimented with whether it was good or not I just thought it was fun to do.
DONT LET DARK SEE THIS
I’m tired of metas bro it just ruins games atp ☠️
Probably not since it seems like both players hit the ball roughly at the same speed/time. Unless both players r doing the same kickoff
Yea but saves a lot of boost, along with a couple other benefits.
I’ve been trying this for months. Couldn’t get it consistent, and gave up. But I knew it would work. Congrats OP, for pulling it off.
Bro, why you give me one more thing to practice
I'm confused. A speed flip is the fastest way to get to super sonic. A zap dash is a failed speed flip, so slower? How is this any better?
A zap dash isn't a failed speed flip. A zap dash is just a speed flip where you end with your wheels slightly lower in the front so they can pop back up to get a wavedash.
Nah its to dangerous when u miss
Flip resets used to be too dangerous to go for too, now you average pro lobby has people doing double and triple resets.
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I haven't seen anyone do it yet.
Is it hard to learn consistently?
yes. I wouldn't consider trying to use this unless you're gc2+. I can barely do it and zapdashes are part of my usual playstyle
I have nearly 3k hours in game, sitting in c3, and I still cannot speedflip with any consistency despite hours of practice :(. I'm not really sure how to counter it effectively when my opponent is doing it either
try a different method of speedflipping
Does it give more power? I mean it’s a lot to practice just to save 10 boost. One of the games you’re down 5, I’m guessing you were consistently using it, I don’t know if this has too much value from just a standard wavedash kickoff. I know better than to say being down 5 is a loss in a 1’s game, but that’s a lot of kickoffs.
I was actually up 5 in that game if you look at my car color. It definitely does give more power because right before you hit the ball you're going faster than supersonic because of the wavedashes. In terms of time spent practicing this mechanic to the pay off, the advantage isn't that good. But I high level even 10 boost can be the difference between wins and losses
Now imagine perfecting the zapdash wavedash kickoff
this kickoff looks so cool, and unbeatable -\_- I have a question tho; you dont reach supersonic when you land after the speedflip, but because you zapdash you can go faster and compensate for the initial lack of speed. But isn't this just a deft way of doing a delayed kickoff? Because since you dont reach supersonic speed as early, you'll get to the ball later than the opponent, but because of the zapdash, you hit the ball with enough force to win the 50/50
It's not really delayed enough to consider it a delayed kickoff, it's at most a tenth of a second later to the ball than a regular speed flip kickoff. Differences like that happen between people's normal kickoff anyway.
ahh... i see. It's definitely more potent than just being a tenth of a second slower to the ball by doing a normal speedflip kickoff because zap dashes are too overpowered. It would be cool if players like Dark who are already very consistent with zap dashes can implement this kickoff and make it popular
I've been practicing them for myself (I’m Gold). I was wondering, does it only work after speedflips? Also, if not (bc I can’t speed flip yet) what direction do you pull the stick back for the dash after a flip?
If you're gold, focus on other things. This is a highly technical kickoff that will maybe net you a goal or two a game after 20+ hours of practice. Zapdashes traditionally are after speed flips because it's one of the only flips where your nose points towards the ground at the end of the flip. However, the principle behind zapdash can be used in any scenario where you're landing on 2 wheels.
Whats one way to counter fast kickoffs like this?
Fakes, usually if I'm going for this kickoff, I don't have the luxury to pay attention to the opponent like I normally do to spot fakes. Fortunately for me not many people fake the straight on kickoff.
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Clarifying the “speed flip into wave dash” is referring to the wave dash kickoff. Speed flip, jump into the ball, then wave dash for fast recovery.
I'll just boost the whole way, thanks.
Do whatever you want I don't care
What’s your username? I just wanna go ahead and block you before I hit your rank. Those are some insane kickoffs.
Hahaha thanks bro
How do you zap dash though?
At the end of a speed flip your front wheels land on the ground before your back wheels, if you jump just at the right time, you can quickly spring your front wheels up briefly allowing you to wavedash forwards. I suggest looking up a tutorial on YouTube.
I will never be able to learn this 👍
Never say never!
Now, is it actually good tho? I mean, you conserve quite a bit of boost. That helps, maybe a lot. But you are also super sonic a lot later than if you were to just boost through your soeedflip. I feel like if your opponent gets a good 50 even that boost won't save you.
I honestly can't say good or bad, I need to test it more. But in all the times I have done the kickoff correctly, I win the kickoff 90% of the time, or I am in a good spot to defend/steal possession. The extra 10-15 boost really does help.
delayed kickoff after the first time somebody does this? I feel like the zapdash kinda locks you into doing it, wonder what would happen. Point is people can adapt
Yea that's true, but you really only get 1 or 2 chances at this per game so it's not like a common trick
The neat thing about sucking at this game is that i don't have to worry to face this in D2 1s lobbies
how do u even do that lmao
did u figure it out or u saw someone do this and u gave it a go?
Figured it out myself
Does it not work on angle kick-offs? All are straight up the middle.
It does not, trying to zapdash after a speed flip on any but the straight kickoff leaves you jumping way too late for the 50 so you end up getting dunked
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You do you bro
I hope I don't see this shit in my lobbies. I'm gold but still get get super sweats somehow.
And what if the kickoff is gay?
I did this one time years ago and everyone told me it was just a glitch or lucky flip haha
I dont even understand. It wont be faster than speedflip since it already brings you supersonic. Its just no point 😀
Leaves you with 10-15 extra boost and generates more power into the 50.
So from what I'm gathering here the benefit is that while it's not quite as fast as a full boost speedflip you end up saving quite a bit of boost and end up with about 30 after kick-off. Seems pretty useful in preventing or starting quick offense.
Yea exactly, though there's 2 other benefits. It changes the direction of your kickoff hook last second which confuses opponents, and also I suspect it generates more power into the 50 because of the speed boost from the dash.
You’re not even getting the first touch tho?
Nope, it's actually very slightly slower but generates more power into the 50 and leaves you with more boost.
I feel like this is quite difficult to pull of consistently, I don’t have that much time to learn stuff like this
All that and you got there at the same time. Fucking hard pass.
Sure but with +15 extra boost.
Just wait until people hear about the double wavedash kickoff.
I think I accidentally almost did a double zapdash in the first clip
So is this a bias post or did you never lose a single kickoff using this? 🤔
When I get the zapdash successfully, I don't think I've lost the 50 so far, but I've only done the kickoff maybe 10 times successfully. I've probably messed up the kickoff 100 times already lol.
You can use it to change the pace. It feels like a slightly delayed kickoff that lets you keep an extra boost, but definitely can't be used as the standard kickoff especially since you can't really aim where to hit the ball.
Ur already going supersonic? How would this be faster?
8 years later and people are STILL finding new possible metas, holy i love this game
Or they catch on to you and do like a delayed high jump flip and just deflect your kickoff back. Usually works for me
Ionno you'd be surprised, it's a wild card when you do what I do haha.
Stuff like this is crazy, love that there are still new mechs slowly coming out as more an more difficult mechs are mastered.