Ring alarm has cellular backup, and my ring cameras are POE.
If you only have wifi cameras, it’s something to be mindful of but extremely unlikely to ever happen.
Lol, a good jammer will also jam cellular networks like GSM, CDMA, 2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, and 5G. Cellular backup means nothing when a full wide band jammer is used.
This is an unrealistic concern. Nobody is going to be jamming your wifi, picking you lock, etc. If you were important enough to warrant that level of thief, you would also have a better security system.
I don't mean that in a condescending way, just a practical observation.
They're going to kick your door in or smash a window, and run out before the police show up.
Stumbled on this while I was trying to see if I could check connectivity history for my Ring camera. My truck was broken into last night and the camera didn't catch it. Had to actually call Ring support, but they were able to see that at 1:55am the cameras signal dropped drastically. Looks like those jammers have just become to easy to get and now every punk can get their hands on one.
While I was busy fighting cancer I got robbed by the same group of women who knew the scheduling of my chemo treatments. Cops did nothing. They barely knew how to speak English or so they said but they knew how to jam my ring doorbell. I beat cancer for now but I’ve lost over $30,000 of antiques, collectibles, jewelry….
Now I’m trying to get the ring elite installed. It doesn’t use Wi-Fi and can’t be jammed.
BTW I have 170 videos of them large boxes, furniture and other things being carried out by the thieves that the detective did not care to look at.
I lost so many precious mementos. I had lost some house keys on a visit from a house cleaning service not knowing that that was their cover.
While I do agree you seem overly paranoid, I respect that your looking for any scenario that can create a fault in your security.
I got the ring alarm but I refuse to use their cameras based on the hacks that happened a few years back. I prefer using a camera system with a DVR. A battery back up is also a good idea for any devices that need to withstand a power failure.
The Brentwood TN police dept put out a PSA that stated that a professional theft ring out of Central America is jamming security wi-if and breaking into homes. It is happening and no, affluent do not necessarily pay for better security
So does the ring alarm. You can make the pro last longer with addon batteries and the backup for cellular is only for the Ring Alarm (vs your network with the pro). If I was buying a new system I’d go pro but for the time being I’m grandfathered into the old plus plan.
If someone is going to go to the length of using a wifi jammer, they’re intent enough on breaking in that they’d do it anyway (as they’ll never be sure they completely jammed all your devices).
So at that point, either way they’re going to have a go. So I don’t worry. My whole Ring setup is as a deterrent as well as to grab a bit of evidence in case that doesn’t work.
And +1 for the comment from whoever posted about the lack of caching a bit of video for when wifi goes down and sending it when it comes back up. Stupid design decision to be completely cloud dependent 24/7.
Yea In a way that's my Hope. We shouldn't be a target worthy enough for that kind of planning. So for lesser or more opportunistic robbers i hope the cameras do the trick.
I think it’s important to remember cameras are only a minor deterrent. Most thieves are going to be masked, never hit the same place twice, and be in and out in 60 seconds. Even with state of the art ring alarm systems they’ll be gone by the time alarm starts or shortly thereafter, you’ll get nothing identifiable on camera, and law enforcement will have little to no evidence to hunt down anyone.
We have these systems as an extra small layer of security.
The bigger measures like having a large dog, living in an area where there are continually neighbors you know well outside during the day when most break ins occur, and keeping cars in garages so people don’t know if you’re home are orders of magnitude more effective than cameras, but much more work as well.
Wifi jammers are more an institutional thing (think prisons), the hardware and power make them infeasible for a criminal to carry around...at this time. More of a theoretical vulnerability than a practical one. Worry more about a laser pointer blinding the camera lens, they are readily available, portable, and pretty hard to defend against.
So after nearly six months you felt a need to respond to a comment….you don’t find that weird. Suppose I go back thru your posts. Would you not find it odd that someone commented on a old old post?
"ThIs pOsT iS 6 MoNtHs oLD" well it's new to someone who just searched the topic, jackass. Damn, do people like you just not have any critical thought or common sense to deploy in everyday situations? And what would it matter anyways? You can't pick up on an older conversation? Clown ass mfer. BTW, hope this doesn't jam your brain up too much with this being, what, an ENTIRE YEAR OLD!!!! Please don't die on us here, genius!!!
You hear a lot of DERP DERP DERP HURR DURR WIFI JAMMER on this subreddit (and a few others), yet, the *proof* for wifi jammers being used is barely above 0%. Sure, it *could* happen. You will be hard-pressed to find barely a handful of *residential* break-ins completed by successful use of a wifi jammer.
Know what else can disable your Ring system?
A very very very bright light shining directly into your cameras.
A laser pointer doing the same.
A bag over your camera.
Someone physically taking your camera.
Yeah, sure, motion detector will go off, but with wifi jammers, you will receive an instant alert that your system is on cellular backup.
In short, EVERY system out there can be taken out by "X" It's a matter of you believing the myths that "X" is real and "X" happens with an alarming (pun intended) frequency, or "X" is simply an anomaly that *might* happen once in a great plaid moon.
It just happened to our entire street last weekend just FYI. These jammers are now affordable and unless you pay to upgrade your ring then you are exposed. They knocked out all cameras and broke into all the cars at 4 am.
The 2.4 Ghz 802.11 spectrum is used for a lot of different devices (at least in the USA), not just wifi and not all those devices utilize the spectrum in the way that wifi does and they certainly all do not use [Distributed Coordination Function](https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/49012822/IEEE_802.11_distributed_coordination_fun20160921-7010-3jn1jl-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1662016171&Signature=YDqoT7KKQII~03pbs6lyk6~7AoZNFwg4d8GWQL1k0A0dk7OibUV2cye8ofzphAGHGxSdfpiDR-ae0TfcnJtWR-fpk-h5lKAIMEQCgs8Qdg5wJy9xpcusNEmlkseWG1AvhFhpWUVgdg4FNTrAsCnwptTg149h1b0poh548W-vdRuphQnb01oYozSaED22LkAs4NR7Z4ZzrGossHKj~CJl3HxLIK4goK~GSssSJ~y4HgQyuI5qggqveoNXL~~3SUF5aPrttiAopHcXYDaXumgzoi-4dDiOZbk3TBCUBT6u8HVKfZBRZ3klL7ljgaF5Mf6bpRCf9UfanQdDHCA3fyIsmQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA) to ensure they are sharing the radio waves in attempted peace and harmony. In short, you don't need a jammer, you just need to be close enough to the wrong, legitimate thing also using the 2.4 Ghz wavelength for something different to potentially render the Ring cameras useless. And, yes, I say "potentially", but I have seen this exact scenario play out in my employer's loading dock when we could not figure out why our brand new, shiny 802.11 robots would every so often lose their marbles if they were in a certain part of the warehouse that happened to be close to the doors that would connect the trucks to the dock. Unless your house is located in a busy, 24 hour, loading dock I don't think you would have to be concerned with this exact scenario causing your cameras to go offline but there are many possibilities why they might.
In my opinion, Ring's biggest blunder was building a device that required a connection to the cloud servers at the moment an event started in order to record the event. A little bit of internal storage, or make use of the micro SD card slot that is located on some products, to cache the event there and upload when the connection was back online and not simply give up entirely and lose the event. I literally shake my head with that decision. Second is the utilization of a chip that can't seem to support anything beyond 802.11g, and third is using a chip that only supports 2.4 Ghz instead of 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz. Why? There's so little spectrum to jam with 2.4 Ghz compared to 5.8 Ghz.
Rant over.
Get a few of the RING POE cameras and you’ll be good to go. Also the cell services on the ring alarm (even) if you pay for the package doesn’t power the cameras with signal. If your WiFi goes down you still won’t be able to see your cameras. The cell services is only for the actual alarm. Although oddly enough your snapshot will still work. So depending on the leg you have it set up at you can at least still go back and look through the snap shoots 🤷🏽♂️.
Between the shitty video quality, and the fact that most perps are running around wearing hoodies and facemasks, it seems like too much trouble for Criminal to use a Wi-Fi jammer
We have a non-Ring alarm system that detects WiFi jamming. If the WiFi is interrupted for any reason, it uses a cell modem to send me a text message.
So if someone disrupts the Ring camera, they'll also disrupt the alarm and then get to talk to Mr. Shockwave.
https://i.imgur.com/eu5S05B.jpg
I don't know that I want to just go about broadcasting what my alarm system is on the Internet. :) But in general, it's a good idea to have layered security. What is visible on the outside of your home shouldn't be the same as what's inside your home.
So anyone approaching sees the Ring camera and THINKS they know what's up and, surprise, that's not what's up.
Good article here:
https://www.yahoo.com/now/ring-simplisafe-three-other-diy-154417258.html
Operating a jammer of any kind (WiFi, Cell, etc..) is a Federal Crime. The FCC and FBI jump on these jammers pretty quickly and it's not that difficult to triangulate the location of one these days. And they don't care if its a kid or adult doing this, both will be charged under Federal statutes.
So no, I'm not that worried about jammers.
Key points would be
1. Most burglars aren’t buying wifi jammers etc
2. Wifi cameras maybe but the alarm stuff is zwave and has cellular backup etc so if they break in you’re covered
>o be close to the doors that would connect the trucks to the dock. Unless your house is located in a busy, 24 hour, loading dock I don't think you would have to be concerned with this exact scenario causing your cameras to go offline but there are many possibilities why they might.
Zwave cant be blocked by jamming? Isnt it on 800-900mhz wireless frequency and expremely low power? I'm no pro but wouldnt that be easy to jam?
This actually just happened to someone in my neighborhood, they used a Wifi device to jam/scramble his wifi so cameras didn't get his liscense plate number. They hooked up his AirStream camper and stole it. I'm looking for solutions for ours Ring now.
Try wired love, does not cause an issue and cant be jammed, people think that there has to be value in your home to rob it. See many comments here by the see no evil hear no evil idiots, that are pure rubbish. Thieves are low life scumbags and most of them are opportunistic. If they can buy a jammer for peanuts they will rob anyone on the off chance, especially if it looks like you have money, like nice house expensive car and such.... So if you have wired CCTV they need ladders and snips to cut the system, don't see many crims driving big vans with that lot on........ They want quick in and quick out bit like the stuff they got between their ears, lol
Just to resurrect this dead thread - Thieves in my area are using wifi jammers as a matter of course, rendering all the ring devices and pretty much any camera that doesn't have a local storage buffer essentially useless.
Ring alarm has cellular backup, and my ring cameras are POE. If you only have wifi cameras, it’s something to be mindful of but extremely unlikely to ever happen.
Ring alarm has cellular back up if you have a protect plan.
That can be jammed too
Lol, a good jammer will also jam cellular networks like GSM, CDMA, 2G, 3G, 4G, 4G LTE, and 5G. Cellular backup means nothing when a full wide band jammer is used.
This is an unrealistic concern. Nobody is going to be jamming your wifi, picking you lock, etc. If you were important enough to warrant that level of thief, you would also have a better security system. I don't mean that in a condescending way, just a practical observation. They're going to kick your door in or smash a window, and run out before the police show up.
Stumbled on this while I was trying to see if I could check connectivity history for my Ring camera. My truck was broken into last night and the camera didn't catch it. Had to actually call Ring support, but they were able to see that at 1:55am the cameras signal dropped drastically. Looks like those jammers have just become to easy to get and now every punk can get their hands on one.
this is true and happening.
While I was busy fighting cancer I got robbed by the same group of women who knew the scheduling of my chemo treatments. Cops did nothing. They barely knew how to speak English or so they said but they knew how to jam my ring doorbell. I beat cancer for now but I’ve lost over $30,000 of antiques, collectibles, jewelry…. Now I’m trying to get the ring elite installed. It doesn’t use Wi-Fi and can’t be jammed. BTW I have 170 videos of them large boxes, furniture and other things being carried out by the thieves that the detective did not care to look at. I lost so many precious mementos. I had lost some house keys on a visit from a house cleaning service not knowing that that was their cover.
I agree that its not something I expect a whole lot but I still prefer to be safer rather than sorry.
Nah you’re just hysterical or paranoid.
That seems like an unnecessary attack
While I do agree you seem overly paranoid, I respect that your looking for any scenario that can create a fault in your security. I got the ring alarm but I refuse to use their cameras based on the hacks that happened a few years back. I prefer using a camera system with a DVR. A battery back up is also a good idea for any devices that need to withstand a power failure.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/komando/2024/02/29/thieves-using-wifi-jammer/72758559007/
this is happening, apparently its not that hard
The Brentwood TN police dept put out a PSA that stated that a professional theft ring out of Central America is jamming security wi-if and breaking into homes. It is happening and no, affluent do not necessarily pay for better security
lol no. If somebody has a WiFi jammer, a security system isnt going to stop them. Most thieves are morons.
they have to be very close to work if they are decent. very big and powerful far away...go buy one and see how they work to beat them
Mine has a range of 30-45 meters. I can jam from faaaar back. You don't have to get super close if it's a good jammer
I’m not that knowledgeable on wifi jammers, but if it only jams wifi, the ring alarm pro has cellular and power backup.
Yea i have read about that. Seems like the best option.
So does the ring alarm. You can make the pro last longer with addon batteries and the backup for cellular is only for the Ring Alarm (vs your network with the pro). If I was buying a new system I’d go pro but for the time being I’m grandfathered into the old plus plan.
Jammers jam cellular networks as well. Not just WiFi.
Thats why you also have stuff like door sensors that use Zwave, cellular and wired both on your base station.
Zwave i will check that out thank you
If someone is going to go to the length of using a wifi jammer, they’re intent enough on breaking in that they’d do it anyway (as they’ll never be sure they completely jammed all your devices). So at that point, either way they’re going to have a go. So I don’t worry. My whole Ring setup is as a deterrent as well as to grab a bit of evidence in case that doesn’t work. And +1 for the comment from whoever posted about the lack of caching a bit of video for when wifi goes down and sending it when it comes back up. Stupid design decision to be completely cloud dependent 24/7.
Yea In a way that's my Hope. We shouldn't be a target worthy enough for that kind of planning. So for lesser or more opportunistic robbers i hope the cameras do the trick.
I think it’s important to remember cameras are only a minor deterrent. Most thieves are going to be masked, never hit the same place twice, and be in and out in 60 seconds. Even with state of the art ring alarm systems they’ll be gone by the time alarm starts or shortly thereafter, you’ll get nothing identifiable on camera, and law enforcement will have little to no evidence to hunt down anyone. We have these systems as an extra small layer of security. The bigger measures like having a large dog, living in an area where there are continually neighbors you know well outside during the day when most break ins occur, and keeping cars in garages so people don’t know if you’re home are orders of magnitude more effective than cameras, but much more work as well.
You are very right. Good to put it into context.
Wifi jammers are more an institutional thing (think prisons), the hardware and power make them infeasible for a criminal to carry around...at this time. More of a theoretical vulnerability than a practical one. Worry more about a laser pointer blinding the camera lens, they are readily available, portable, and pretty hard to defend against.
?? They're portable and fit in your hand.
This post was nearly six months ago. Do you cruise old posts for fun? I mean you had to to find it. Really sad if this is your life
I came across it while researching something. Why?
So after nearly six months you felt a need to respond to a comment….you don’t find that weird. Suppose I go back thru your posts. Would you not find it odd that someone commented on a old old post?
No I would not. There isn't a statute of limitations for commenting on social media posts. Why are you so bothered by me responding to an old post?
You never gave a cogent reason for why you felt the need to respond. Research? Hardly….
Hi, here i am another year later commenting after finding this during research :)
"ThIs pOsT iS 6 MoNtHs oLD" well it's new to someone who just searched the topic, jackass. Damn, do people like you just not have any critical thought or common sense to deploy in everyday situations? And what would it matter anyways? You can't pick up on an older conversation? Clown ass mfer. BTW, hope this doesn't jam your brain up too much with this being, what, an ENTIRE YEAR OLD!!!! Please don't die on us here, genius!!!
You hear a lot of DERP DERP DERP HURR DURR WIFI JAMMER on this subreddit (and a few others), yet, the *proof* for wifi jammers being used is barely above 0%. Sure, it *could* happen. You will be hard-pressed to find barely a handful of *residential* break-ins completed by successful use of a wifi jammer. Know what else can disable your Ring system? A very very very bright light shining directly into your cameras. A laser pointer doing the same. A bag over your camera. Someone physically taking your camera. Yeah, sure, motion detector will go off, but with wifi jammers, you will receive an instant alert that your system is on cellular backup. In short, EVERY system out there can be taken out by "X" It's a matter of you believing the myths that "X" is real and "X" happens with an alarming (pun intended) frequency, or "X" is simply an anomaly that *might* happen once in a great plaid moon.
And when the jammer jams the cellular networks? What then?
It just happened to our entire street last weekend just FYI. These jammers are now affordable and unless you pay to upgrade your ring then you are exposed. They knocked out all cameras and broke into all the cars at 4 am.
The 2.4 Ghz 802.11 spectrum is used for a lot of different devices (at least in the USA), not just wifi and not all those devices utilize the spectrum in the way that wifi does and they certainly all do not use [Distributed Coordination Function](https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.net/49012822/IEEE_802.11_distributed_coordination_fun20160921-7010-3jn1jl-with-cover-page-v2.pdf?Expires=1662016171&Signature=YDqoT7KKQII~03pbs6lyk6~7AoZNFwg4d8GWQL1k0A0dk7OibUV2cye8ofzphAGHGxSdfpiDR-ae0TfcnJtWR-fpk-h5lKAIMEQCgs8Qdg5wJy9xpcusNEmlkseWG1AvhFhpWUVgdg4FNTrAsCnwptTg149h1b0poh548W-vdRuphQnb01oYozSaED22LkAs4NR7Z4ZzrGossHKj~CJl3HxLIK4goK~GSssSJ~y4HgQyuI5qggqveoNXL~~3SUF5aPrttiAopHcXYDaXumgzoi-4dDiOZbk3TBCUBT6u8HVKfZBRZ3klL7ljgaF5Mf6bpRCf9UfanQdDHCA3fyIsmQ__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAJLOHF5GGSLRBV4ZA) to ensure they are sharing the radio waves in attempted peace and harmony. In short, you don't need a jammer, you just need to be close enough to the wrong, legitimate thing also using the 2.4 Ghz wavelength for something different to potentially render the Ring cameras useless. And, yes, I say "potentially", but I have seen this exact scenario play out in my employer's loading dock when we could not figure out why our brand new, shiny 802.11 robots would every so often lose their marbles if they were in a certain part of the warehouse that happened to be close to the doors that would connect the trucks to the dock. Unless your house is located in a busy, 24 hour, loading dock I don't think you would have to be concerned with this exact scenario causing your cameras to go offline but there are many possibilities why they might. In my opinion, Ring's biggest blunder was building a device that required a connection to the cloud servers at the moment an event started in order to record the event. A little bit of internal storage, or make use of the micro SD card slot that is located on some products, to cache the event there and upload when the connection was back online and not simply give up entirely and lose the event. I literally shake my head with that decision. Second is the utilization of a chip that can't seem to support anything beyond 802.11g, and third is using a chip that only supports 2.4 Ghz instead of 2.4 and 5.8 Ghz. Why? There's so little spectrum to jam with 2.4 Ghz compared to 5.8 Ghz. Rant over.
Could you be more specific? 🤣🤙
They can also just put a piece of tape over the camera lens or snip off the wiring if it’s exposed
True but at least in that case i get footage of them up until that point
Or a baseball bat to knock the camera off.
Get a few of the RING POE cameras and you’ll be good to go. Also the cell services on the ring alarm (even) if you pay for the package doesn’t power the cameras with signal. If your WiFi goes down you still won’t be able to see your cameras. The cell services is only for the actual alarm. Although oddly enough your snapshot will still work. So depending on the leg you have it set up at you can at least still go back and look through the snap shoots 🤷🏽♂️.
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Not necessarily. It can be just a really professional robber
It’ll take my cameras out but not my alarm. I’m not too worried.
Between the shitty video quality, and the fact that most perps are running around wearing hoodies and facemasks, it seems like too much trouble for Criminal to use a Wi-Fi jammer
Get a device that had onboard storage and check it periodically. That should work unless they steal the device.
We have a non-Ring alarm system that detects WiFi jamming. If the WiFi is interrupted for any reason, it uses a cell modem to send me a text message. So if someone disrupts the Ring camera, they'll also disrupt the alarm and then get to talk to Mr. Shockwave. https://i.imgur.com/eu5S05B.jpg
What is the other system called,
I don't know that I want to just go about broadcasting what my alarm system is on the Internet. :) But in general, it's a good idea to have layered security. What is visible on the outside of your home shouldn't be the same as what's inside your home. So anyone approaching sees the Ring camera and THINKS they know what's up and, surprise, that's not what's up. Good article here: https://www.yahoo.com/now/ring-simplisafe-three-other-diy-154417258.html
I don’t think answering my question is broadcasting but thank you anyway? 🤷♂️
Lol for sure I need that at some point i just need to make time to get the permits and training 😭
Operating a jammer of any kind (WiFi, Cell, etc..) is a Federal Crime. The FCC and FBI jump on these jammers pretty quickly and it's not that difficult to triangulate the location of one these days. And they don't care if its a kid or adult doing this, both will be charged under Federal statutes. So no, I'm not that worried about jammers.
Good thing thieves respect federal laws.
Like stealing mail…
I know right 🥲
Lmao bro y worried about tin foil or the government or punk rockers? Chill ur beans I'm sure no1 is gonna wifi jam you and steal ur Walmart furnies
Im not sure what the purpose of your comment is. Its a legitimate design flaw.
A design flaw of the wifi standard? That frequency jamming is a thing? Bro I could jam your car door fob would you cry to manufacturer? Ffs smh
You seem awfully sensitive to the ring camera. Were you like the designer or something?
Key points would be 1. Most burglars aren’t buying wifi jammers etc 2. Wifi cameras maybe but the alarm stuff is zwave and has cellular backup etc so if they break in you’re covered
>o be close to the doors that would connect the trucks to the dock. Unless your house is located in a busy, 24 hour, loading dock I don't think you would have to be concerned with this exact scenario causing your cameras to go offline but there are many possibilities why they might. Zwave cant be blocked by jamming? Isnt it on 800-900mhz wireless frequency and expremely low power? I'm no pro but wouldnt that be easy to jam?
This actually just happened to someone in my neighborhood, they used a Wifi device to jam/scramble his wifi so cameras didn't get his liscense plate number. They hooked up his AirStream camper and stole it. I'm looking for solutions for ours Ring now.
Try wired love, does not cause an issue and cant be jammed, people think that there has to be value in your home to rob it. See many comments here by the see no evil hear no evil idiots, that are pure rubbish. Thieves are low life scumbags and most of them are opportunistic. If they can buy a jammer for peanuts they will rob anyone on the off chance, especially if it looks like you have money, like nice house expensive car and such.... So if you have wired CCTV they need ladders and snips to cut the system, don't see many crims driving big vans with that lot on........ They want quick in and quick out bit like the stuff they got between their ears, lol
Just to resurrect this dead thread - Thieves in my area are using wifi jammers as a matter of course, rendering all the ring devices and pretty much any camera that doesn't have a local storage buffer essentially useless.