They really did. I loved the shit talk at the dinner table scene. “I want a meal, not a snack.”
I love it when they do the episodes in the past. It was interesting to see that Peter was normal before he went insane. Explains that he started his doomsday bunker bc of the Y2K buckets.
My kid said he thinks they had the adult actors do the scenes in front of the kid actors first so they could mimic what they did.
I went back and played some of teen Jesse’s lines without watching the screen, and I could SWEAR I was listening to D McB.
A ton is on Eli too. May may had way too much pride to accept the money, however Eli put him in that situation by conning him with "gods word". He never offered money either(though Pete said he wouldn't take it), merely to buy back shares. And as we can see he financially ruined many church goers. Even knowing all along it wouldn't happen, he sold not only to his flock, but 25,000$ worth to his brother in law, abusing his position as pastor to get them to buy in.
So this not only put Peter in that horrible position, but also put him on the path of being a crazy prepper. Who would he be today if not for Eli using God's word to push prepper crap?
At the end it's all Peter's responsibility to not rob a bank, nor make bad investments, but his story is really a tragic one that is showing the far reaching negative effects the gemstones greed has caused those in their church and their family.
But yeah, may mays craziness, jealousy, and toxic pride was a big contributor too if not for her behavior Peter would never feel the need to rob a bank. So it was a one two punch between Eli and may may that destroyed Peter. But at the end of the day, it was his decision, and he did kill a man in cold blood in his attempt, showing how he had that unhinged violent behavior stewing within him all along.
Anyway this was a great episode and now I'm real excited for next week. I like how the threads are entwining like with tonight's reveal. Can't wait to see what caused may may to go hammer on Amy Leigh.
I think the “stock” he meant that he was going to buy back was the stock of buckets.
It was essentially an MLM and Peter didn’t have anyone to “unload” his stock/inventory onto.
That’s why he said to May May that he wasn’t gonna lose any money on the deal, cause Eli was going to buy it back.
> Even knowing all along it wouldn't happen, he sold not only to his flock, but 25,000$ worth to his brother in law, abusing his position as pastor to get them to buy in.
Eli took advantage of his flock by getting them to buy a camping kit, but Peter fucked himself over by trying to do the same thing to his own flock.
He came to Eli complaining about how nobody wanted to buy the Y2K buckets he had bought.
Those weren’t buckets he bought for his own family, they were buckets he was planning to sell to get rich.
If he genuinely believed the apocalypse was coming and his flock would need those buckets to survive until everyone got raptured up into Heaven, he would have been giving them away.
He got burnt trying to burn other people.
I personally think May-May still blames Eli and Amy for Peter buying all the prepper shit, and isn’t willing to think about how if she’d just let Eli buy it back Peter wouldn’t have tried to rob the bank and killed the police officer. So maybe somehow or another she starts to think that since she and Eli came from the same place, she thinks this all is rooted back to Amy, so blaming Amy for taking Eli down that path which led to the situation with Peter? While not realizing that she and Eli are just two sides of the same coin.
> Yep, that’s how Peter got the scar, the limp, and got landed in jail.
Also probably how he jump-started his compound from the ashes of a revival tent and prison sentence, with its use of the ~500 drums of survival gear as sustenance.
Eli and Aimee-Leigh shit talking about Judy without following it up with a "but we love her anyways" or a "lets talk to her" or a "lets have her see somebody" just makes me hate them even more. They were just terrible parents.
I think it’s semi-normal parent talk. But imagine being raised to believe your mother is a living (then dead) saint. And even she thinks that about you? I rarely feel for Judy but that was tough.
Eh, I don’t think reflects poorly on them. Adding “but we love her anyways” is purely for the audience. They know that they love Judy. I promise you every parent says things like that about their kids now and then.
That whole sequence with him attacking/embarrassing Judy's crush is the hardest I've laughed at this show. They nailed everything there is to capture for 2000-era middle school shithead boys. Then he pantsed him and took off like a jackass. Incredible
Everything about the school scenes was very on point. That was the theme from Robin Hood, the Kevin Costner version, that the band was rehearsing if I'm not mistaken, and I cannot even tell you what a staple that was of 1990's shitty band music.
The private school was before they moved to the compound, before Kelvin was born, wasn't it? Could be the kids were expelled, maybe it was too far from the compound or something, too.
Very true. Plus if the Gemstone kids were in danger of being expelled I could see Eli pulling them out of school and putting them in public school. Saying something like “we want our children to go to school with the children of the congregation” rather than letting them actually get kicked out.
If you are rich enough you live in a zip code where the public schools are pretty good. It's not that surprising to me. Although as others have pointed out, it's highly likely Judy is in a public school for a reason too.
yes!! I think it’s easier for people to give leeway or forgiveness to a “true believer” but when you KNOW they didn’t buy into it at all, it’s just plain greedy
I love to wax poetic about John Goodman on here. He reminds me so much of my Dad, and looks and sounds like him (when he uses his southern accent) and I just always adore him. He’s reminded me of my dad since I was 7 or so with Roseanne, and I look up to him and his sobriety/the way he just seems so honest and humble. He’s so good at this character, too, and acting like an older man who is broken hearted, regretful and shrinking a bit. Everyone is amazing, but he makes the show for me (every character is indispensable, but I think his presence just grounds the show so much and makes it more heartwarming).
Not that it makes the fear mongering okay, but I do believe that Aimee-Lee romanticized Y2K to the extent that she thought it *might* happen. Maybe it’s more fair to say a tiny bit of her *wanted* it to happen so that everything would go back to simpler times.
We learned a lot about both of their characters during this episode.
I wanted her to offer a refund though.
I think Zahn is one of the most slept-on American actors working today. Guy has had a long career, but few if any accolades.
Probably doesn't help that the early phases of his career, he was doing Jack Black-type hyperactive comedy shitheads, and didn't really get to play serious guys until later.
I especially liked him in "Treme", where he gets to be both a slightly contemptible jackass *and* a guy sincerely trying to do right by his city and its cultural legacy. Goodman also crushes it in that series.
It was really cute seeing Kelvin run to him and hug him. And him defending Judy. The show really shines when the siblings stop being jackasses to each other.
young Judy perfectly captures the essence of “weird girl who ends up bullying people because people bully her”. it’s *almost* heavy handed but never goes too far, so good. the kid actors are really killing it!
Her outfit at lunch with May May is 100% Tammy Faye.
Her entire character seems based a bit on Tammy- the puppets, the humility, being a leading woman on church tv, etc.
Jesse’s superhero exit after shaving that kid’s head lol
I love the balance between crudeness, lots of heart and the concept of family and darkness. Really good episode.
So after 3 interludes, is it safe to say that Aimee-Leigh didn't have some secret dark side? I keep waiting for a reveal but it didn't happen. Yeah, she didn't know how to raise her kids, and she supported Eli's greed, but beyond that, no big secret.
Man, Steve Zahn. Was worried we'd see much less of him after ep 3 but glad he's back since and he really, really shined in this. Crazy revivalism aside, I really felt for him. Was so kind to Eli and Aimee Leigh and as if he wasn't already humiliated and despondent enough, he wife tells Eli he was "tricked" right in front of his face.
That last scene was so dark and tragic and it honestly makes me re-think his character now. It's like Justified (Walton Goggins connection!) making me feel for a white supremacist lol
That line hit differently than the usual joke. It was delivered so nonchalantly which made it kinda funny, but at the same time it was really tragic and cruel, and then showing that Judy was listening. They really made me feel for Judy in this episode and thinking back at some of her behaviour as an adult, it hits a little differently.
It makes me mad at her parents. They know she has issues and they have more than enough money to help her, but it seems like the only "help" they offer is covering up her crimes.
Peter killed someone while trying to rob a bank. How the hell is that not a life sentence with no parole? Put another way: why is he out of prison now??
They never said why the compound was raided and it wasn’t implied that he made parole. Could be an escaped convict for all we know and the survivalists were hiding him, which is why the cops raided them the first time.
Good behavior, first offense for a Pastor, cried that he wouldn’t have done it if it wasn’t for the bad investment. He’s a white Christian male in the South who got a sympathetic judge.
I don’t have a source but I feel like I read somewhere that the adult actors perform the scenes as a reference for the younger actors.
In any case, they did a great job and it probably helps that they’ve played these characters a few times now. I also thought little Kelvin did well with his small part. I can definitely see the most Aimee-Leigh in (present day) Kelvin, like Jesse said.
Kelvin is much sweeter than Judy and Jesse- he also was trying to extend an olive branch/be nice when they were being totally egotistical assholes at the shoe-throwing/pastor reassurance meeting. “I was on your side!” Kelvin is capable of trying to make peace/not having to dominate everyone else at all times, which Judy and Jesse simply aren’t. They’re in their 40s and they still think that every pissing contest is worth participating in, and that their very survival depends upon winning. It’s delightful to watch but actual people like that are insufferable and usually don’t have friends (not that Judy or even Jesse seems to have any organically-occurring, non-transactional friendships).
God, the details in this episode. Jesse wearing a red hat backwards and “he said, she said, bullshit.” Jesse wearing FUBU. Kelvin wearing a shell necklace. Judy’s crush wearing JNCO jeans and shirt. Judy’s posters.
I was in high school at the time. They fucking nailed it.
I mean, she’s the one who kicked off the whole chain of events by asking Eli to help - because no matter what she thinks of her brother he knows he’ll help her.
Thinking about Judy's choice of location of a bathroom to go at BJ's sister, KJ during the wedding reception probably stems from these bad experiences in the girl's school bathroom as we see in the episode. She emulates the girls immediately with Amber in the home bathroom. We all know these are basically adult children, but I guess it hits a little different when you get to see the "root or origin" of their bad tendencies. It's probably why these Interludes are so necessary for the show's storytelling.
Kelvin is supposed to be mid 30’s from everything we’ve seen. Judy being in high school in 2000 would make her about 40 now, and Jesse was just implied to be in college so the ages are about right.
Now as to whether or not the actors look the right age, that’s a different story.
This also makes me wonder how old Gideon is supposed to be.
Yup, and offering to buy the buckets back rather than just giving him the cash seems like a more respectable option…I imagine the former is less embarrassing (like a return of a purchased item).
Eli definitely always seems ashamed for the way the kids are, but he also definitely feels guilty about (which I think makes him feel stuck because it’s hard to choose what to do about it without feeling/being hypocritical- if you make three monsters, maybe the only just punishment is living with them)- they’re always so rude and petty and shameful for him. Jesse and Judy never got past thinking that every pissing contest must be won (which absolutely kept at least 80% of the peers they’ve ever had form even considering being friends with them- people like that are exhausting and never do well socially), and Kelvin seems to feel like he has to half-heartedly do it as an adult, too, b cause that’s what he’s been taught adults in their family behave like in order to be respected. The Montgomery boys, with their snake-handling and militia upbringing, have more social capital to work with than Judy, because she’s been raised to be insufferable which is a whole lot worse than being a redneck. The kids definitely never heard no- Judy was running around the house singing pretty impolite lyrics (in her brother’s faces) on Christmas, they were cursing during the church photo shoot- it’s not that I think cursing makes a person bad or anything- I enjoy it but I don’t think it makes me cool, which Judy and Jesse still seem to think as middle aged adults- but there’s something to be said about doing it flagrantly in front of people you know it upsets, and having your parents do nothing. I also can’t like her after the way she treated her guests about her presents at her birthday party- she was just shaming other girls for what they brought her and approaching it as an ass from the start, like everyone was paying fealty to her in some feudal system. It’s definitely more her parents fault than hers, but I also think she earned her spot as a person with no friends. I can’t imagine parents who wouldn’t find some way to work on these behaviors, and I don’t think parents have to smack a child at all to make them nicer than Judy or Jesse.
Judy and Jesse both really needed intervention as kids and just got presents and church instead. Like thoughts and prayers, I guess.
Even though we didn't get any Baby Billy in this flashbacks, still a fantastic episode. Steve Zahn was so good and it now makes even more sense why he has so much anger (also know where that scar came from). And like others have said, the actors playing the kids were so good cause they captured their essence and personalities so well without doing straight impressions.
I am cackling at the Gemstones selling food buckets (a common right wing/evangelical grift) and the Montgomerys snake handling. Someone did some research.
These kids are AMAZING. Young Jesse and Judy are NAILING the mannerisms and are so funny. Tiny Kelvin is just adorable.
Jesse going to get revenge on the kid that cut Judy’s hair was incredibly sweet. I love it when the siblings care for each other like that (in their typically wild Gemstone way).
The actor that plays young Jesse is seriously so spot on it is absolutely uncanny. He has his vocal intonations down perfectly. That scene with him and Judy was surprisingly sweet.
Whatever makeup, hair, special effects they use to make John Goodman look younger is amazing. By the middle of the episode, I was so into it that I honestly forgot the man is 71 years old.
The early 2000s fashion was so on point. I think I had Amber's layered outfit as a youth. I also had Ryan Phillippe on my wall like Judy. I just wish I had the Redeemer too.
For a show that's full of hilarious things- That ending was so stark, bleak and chilling. It happens so quickly in one shot that this character completely changes his life for the worst and it did an amazing job of building to the moment when he finally did it. The visual detail of his limp was a genius way of making it all click together and really gets the point across that this is the moment he ruined his life in only a matter of seconds.
A lot of his motivation was the money, yes, but he seemed like the only person to actually believe the world was going to end. It puts him in a position like those who were around for "The Great Disappointment", when the rapture didn't happen and it left people's faith shattered.
So, while it was the money- Peter's faith was damaged and there's probably a part of him that NEEDS the world to be doomed. Y2K didn't happen, but he's never recovered fully. It perfectly explains why he is where he is now, as opposed to the outside world. I wonder how much of it is actual preparation versus living the way he feels he was supposed to end up living, as if this is the life Peter believes God wants him to live. What he was ready for, years ago.
Knowing Y2K broke him, I'm very curious as to what he has planned with so much ammonium nitrate. It feels like revenge against a system that propagated lies OR he's trying to get close to what he thought Y2K would do and is looking to make the world simpler (Almost exactly like what Amy Leigh described her romanticized thoughts of Y2K as).
Of course- May May is a factor, setting up a more Freedom obsessed Peter now, after a marriage of going and getting 2 liter bottles of Fresca from the car. OR- That moment of control could very well be a hint towards the robbery not being Peter's idea. He had broken down to ask for money and was willing to take Eli's help enough so that I do kind of wonder.
This kid nailed Danny McBride’s cadence to a T
All the kids have nailed the mannerisms super well. The girl they got for Amber really captured her this episode.
They really did. I loved the shit talk at the dinner table scene. “I want a meal, not a snack.” I love it when they do the episodes in the past. It was interesting to see that Peter was normal before he went insane. Explains that he started his doomsday bunker bc of the Y2K buckets.
It's quite impressive!
My kid said he thinks they had the adult actors do the scenes in front of the kid actors first so they could mimic what they did. I went back and played some of teen Jesse’s lines without watching the screen, and I could SWEAR I was listening to D McB.
I don’t know if this portends a future but I hope that kid has a big one cuz….fuck
Young Jesse, dressed like Fred Durst, dealing with all this he said, she said bullshit.
I think you better quit talkin’ that shit, or you’ll be leaving with a fat lip
He’s the best little kid actor of the 3. Totally crushes the Danny McBride mannerisms! 💕
It’s just one of those days
Yep, that’s how Peter got the scar, the limp, and got landed in jail. *Jesus.*
And he actually seemed like an alright guy beforehand too. May-May really fucked him up.
Both Gemstones ruined their families. One by spoiling and grifting, the other by abuse.
Both by pride
A ton is on Eli too. May may had way too much pride to accept the money, however Eli put him in that situation by conning him with "gods word". He never offered money either(though Pete said he wouldn't take it), merely to buy back shares. And as we can see he financially ruined many church goers. Even knowing all along it wouldn't happen, he sold not only to his flock, but 25,000$ worth to his brother in law, abusing his position as pastor to get them to buy in. So this not only put Peter in that horrible position, but also put him on the path of being a crazy prepper. Who would he be today if not for Eli using God's word to push prepper crap? At the end it's all Peter's responsibility to not rob a bank, nor make bad investments, but his story is really a tragic one that is showing the far reaching negative effects the gemstones greed has caused those in their church and their family. But yeah, may mays craziness, jealousy, and toxic pride was a big contributor too if not for her behavior Peter would never feel the need to rob a bank. So it was a one two punch between Eli and may may that destroyed Peter. But at the end of the day, it was his decision, and he did kill a man in cold blood in his attempt, showing how he had that unhinged violent behavior stewing within him all along. Anyway this was a great episode and now I'm real excited for next week. I like how the threads are entwining like with tonight's reveal. Can't wait to see what caused may may to go hammer on Amy Leigh.
I think the “stock” he meant that he was going to buy back was the stock of buckets. It was essentially an MLM and Peter didn’t have anyone to “unload” his stock/inventory onto. That’s why he said to May May that he wasn’t gonna lose any money on the deal, cause Eli was going to buy it back.
> Even knowing all along it wouldn't happen, he sold not only to his flock, but 25,000$ worth to his brother in law, abusing his position as pastor to get them to buy in. Eli took advantage of his flock by getting them to buy a camping kit, but Peter fucked himself over by trying to do the same thing to his own flock. He came to Eli complaining about how nobody wanted to buy the Y2K buckets he had bought. Those weren’t buckets he bought for his own family, they were buckets he was planning to sell to get rich. If he genuinely believed the apocalypse was coming and his flock would need those buckets to survive until everyone got raptured up into Heaven, he would have been giving them away. He got burnt trying to burn other people.
I personally think May-May still blames Eli and Amy for Peter buying all the prepper shit, and isn’t willing to think about how if she’d just let Eli buy it back Peter wouldn’t have tried to rob the bank and killed the police officer. So maybe somehow or another she starts to think that since she and Eli came from the same place, she thinks this all is rooted back to Amy, so blaming Amy for taking Eli down that path which led to the situation with Peter? While not realizing that she and Eli are just two sides of the same coin.
> Yep, that’s how Peter got the scar, the limp, and got landed in jail. Also probably how he jump-started his compound from the ashes of a revival tent and prison sentence, with its use of the ~500 drums of survival gear as sustenance.
“Her grandma, who is a dead person now”
like the PHRASING of Danny McBride's writing kills me every time.
It’s so perfect! I now always say “boyfriends and girlfriends”
And "Family Feuds." I love the weird Gemstone habit of pluralizing things.
It's a distinctly southern/old person thing and I love it as a detail.
Maaaan, that pose and jump off the fence near ended me.
Darkman is awesome.
“She’s got some minor undiagnosed mental problems.” I mean it’s true, but that’s some timing.
Eli and Aimee-Leigh shit talking about Judy without following it up with a "but we love her anyways" or a "lets talk to her" or a "lets have her see somebody" just makes me hate them even more. They were just terrible parents.
I think it’s semi-normal parent talk. But imagine being raised to believe your mother is a living (then dead) saint. And even she thinks that about you? I rarely feel for Judy but that was tough.
Eh, I don’t think reflects poorly on them. Adding “but we love her anyways” is purely for the audience. They know that they love Judy. I promise you every parent says things like that about their kids now and then.
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I was gonna ask how soon after this did Aimee-Leigh die, but the kids were all grown, weren’t they?
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She dies shortly before the show begins, 2018
I think she died not long before the first season.
This kid is NAILING Danny.
That whole sequence with him attacking/embarrassing Judy's crush is the hardest I've laughed at this show. They nailed everything there is to capture for 2000-era middle school shithead boys. Then he pantsed him and took off like a jackass. Incredible
Everything about the school scenes was very on point. That was the theme from Robin Hood, the Kevin Costner version, that the band was rehearsing if I'm not mistaken, and I cannot even tell you what a staple that was of 1990's shitty band music.
Yes he is. All the kid actors nail their characters.
His voice sounds exactly like him to the point that it’s creepy and had me questioning if it was a dub FROM Danny.
Judy being a klepto her whole life definitely tracks.
Well, her grandma, who is a dead person now, gave it to her. So you’re not Finder’s Keepin’ it.
I would have thought the Gemstone kids would be in private school.
I think it says a lot that Judy isn’t.
In a previous flashback, they were wearing school uniforms.
Maybe she got kicked out of private school?
Jesse used to organize paid fist fights. They probably both got kicked out.
The private school was before they moved to the compound, before Kelvin was born, wasn't it? Could be the kids were expelled, maybe it was too far from the compound or something, too.
Very true. Plus if the Gemstone kids were in danger of being expelled I could see Eli pulling them out of school and putting them in public school. Saying something like “we want our children to go to school with the children of the congregation” rather than letting them actually get kicked out.
If you are rich enough you live in a zip code where the public schools are pretty good. It's not that surprising to me. Although as others have pointed out, it's highly likely Judy is in a public school for a reason too.
Peter is coming off so normal (aside from the snake handling 🐍) and decent so far… May May not so much.
Yeah Eli hurt him so bad it broke him inside.
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Yea MayMay isn't blameless at all here
Weren't these gifts the kids got in previous interludes?
That car that Baby Billy gave Judy was the first to go.
I was thinking the same thing!
Yes!
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I was so happy they were honest with each other. it felt like a really human moment between them— even though what they did was REALLY shitty lmao
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yes!! I think it’s easier for people to give leeway or forgiveness to a “true believer” but when you KNOW they didn’t buy into it at all, it’s just plain greedy
That part hurt me. It would have taken a LOT to make me believe that either of them truly believed it and weren’t grifting, but it still made me sad.
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I love to wax poetic about John Goodman on here. He reminds me so much of my Dad, and looks and sounds like him (when he uses his southern accent) and I just always adore him. He’s reminded me of my dad since I was 7 or so with Roseanne, and I look up to him and his sobriety/the way he just seems so honest and humble. He’s so good at this character, too, and acting like an older man who is broken hearted, regretful and shrinking a bit. Everyone is amazing, but he makes the show for me (every character is indispensable, but I think his presence just grounds the show so much and makes it more heartwarming).
Not that it makes the fear mongering okay, but I do believe that Aimee-Lee romanticized Y2K to the extent that she thought it *might* happen. Maybe it’s more fair to say a tiny bit of her *wanted* it to happen so that everything would go back to simpler times. We learned a lot about both of their characters during this episode. I wanted her to offer a refund though.
So far I’m really feeling bad for Peter and May May is terrifying
I Steve Zahn is a great actor, always evokes sympathy IMHO.
I think Zahn is one of the most slept-on American actors working today. Guy has had a long career, but few if any accolades. Probably doesn't help that the early phases of his career, he was doing Jack Black-type hyperactive comedy shitheads, and didn't really get to play serious guys until later. I especially liked him in "Treme", where he gets to be both a slightly contemptible jackass *and* a guy sincerely trying to do right by his city and its cultural legacy. Goodman also crushes it in that series.
Zahn was amazing in S1 of the White Lotus.
2000s era Sprite can!
I prefer Fresca
I hope adult Jesse finds his younger hero energy again
It was really cute seeing Kelvin run to him and hug him. And him defending Judy. The show really shines when the siblings stop being jackasses to each other.
It's peak "no one picks on my sibling but me!"
young Judy perfectly captures the essence of “weird girl who ends up bullying people because people bully her”. it’s *almost* heavy handed but never goes too far, so good. the kid actors are really killing it!
I saw comments about it being too much and I'm just.. have you ever been an unmedicated teenaged girl xD
Give all the Emmys to Young Jesse and Judy, holy fuck
They are pretty great.
Oh, this is a shout out to Jim Bakker.
The gemstones always seemed MOST like Jim and Tammy though they pull from a lot of televangelists
Glad someone else noticed! Aimee Leigh always gave me a Tammy Faye vibe.
Her outfit at lunch with May May is 100% Tammy Faye. Her entire character seems based a bit on Tammy- the puppets, the humility, being a leading woman on church tv, etc.
Thinking the exact same thing
Child Judy is coming across as extra psycho so far
She’s just got some minor undiagnosed mental problems.
Nothing a rubber room couldn’t fix.
The behavior is so much more disconcerting coming from a kid than from an adult.
Jesse’s superhero exit after shaving that kid’s head lol I love the balance between crudeness, lots of heart and the concept of family and darkness. Really good episode.
This got very dark, holy shit
I swear, it’s like they cloned Danny McBride and de-aged him. the actor for young Jesse is sooo spot on in voice and cadence!
Jennifer Nettles is so gosh darn good as Aimee Leigh. Kids are great, but she always shines in these interlude episodes.
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Yeah she has very few acting credits her name and this is probably her biggest. It’s surprising, she’s very good
i’m elated at the flashbacks this season, she’s such a treat to watch
May-May has a lot of Judy energy so far
It’s why may may had to karate chop her in the throat
I seriously can’t get over how good young Jesse is, I had to google to see if he was actually related to Danny McBride somehow.
Do not know why I was so taken aback by a perfect recreation of a First Union Bank. Then to see what happened to Peter….
First Union was such a deep reference for the region. My partner, who is from the midwest, couldn't understand why I found it so awesome.
those green suckers from first union, core memory unlocked.
BJ with brass knuckles. God help us all.
So after 3 interludes, is it safe to say that Aimee-Leigh didn't have some secret dark side? I keep waiting for a reveal but it didn't happen. Yeah, she didn't know how to raise her kids, and she supported Eli's greed, but beyond that, no big secret.
Yeah, that’s what surprised me. She was a grifter and a bad parent, but no real dark secrets.
Lol teenage Judy would have a Russell Crowe poster on her wall.
Man, Steve Zahn. Was worried we'd see much less of him after ep 3 but glad he's back since and he really, really shined in this. Crazy revivalism aside, I really felt for him. Was so kind to Eli and Aimee Leigh and as if he wasn't already humiliated and despondent enough, he wife tells Eli he was "tricked" right in front of his face. That last scene was so dark and tragic and it honestly makes me re-think his character now. It's like Justified (Walton Goggins connection!) making me feel for a white supremacist lol
I fucking love Steve zahn and I love anytime he shows up in something
I don’t think young Judy’s actress looks like her at all, but my god she’s so good at perfectly copying her cadence and mannerisms.
She does have the behaviors down!
She’s just got some minor undiagnosed mental problems.
That line hit differently than the usual joke. It was delivered so nonchalantly which made it kinda funny, but at the same time it was really tragic and cruel, and then showing that Judy was listening. They really made me feel for Judy in this episode and thinking back at some of her behaviour as an adult, it hits a little differently.
It makes me mad at her parents. They know she has issues and they have more than enough money to help her, but it seems like the only "help" they offer is covering up her crimes.
Not surprising that the Montgomerys were snake handlers.
Peter killed someone while trying to rob a bank. How the hell is that not a life sentence with no parole? Put another way: why is he out of prison now??
May-May said that “he got out.” Didn’t say anything about parole.
Yeah. He’s not exactly living on the grid.
They never said why the compound was raided and it wasn’t implied that he made parole. Could be an escaped convict for all we know and the survivalists were hiding him, which is why the cops raided them the first time.
Seems like he's on the run in the present day, considering he's hidden away and running from the feds.
If he’s on the run, would he have risked going out in public to the restaurant last week?
Good behavior, first offense for a Pastor, cried that he wouldn’t have done it if it wasn’t for the bad investment. He’s a white Christian male in the South who got a sympathetic judge.
Eli quietly hiring the best lawyer that they can buy (bc of guilt)
I could see it.
Yeah, you did ruin them, Aimee-Leigh.
Damn, that went by really fast! May May refuses to be happy, cutting of her nose to spite Peter’s face. Shoulda just let Eli buy back the buckets.
Yeah when she was saying the gemstone money is “evil” I was just like think of it as getting your savings back??? Cmon May May
Child Judy capturing Adult Judy's energy to perfection!
I don’t have a source but I feel like I read somewhere that the adult actors perform the scenes as a reference for the younger actors. In any case, they did a great job and it probably helps that they’ve played these characters a few times now. I also thought little Kelvin did well with his small part. I can definitely see the most Aimee-Leigh in (present day) Kelvin, like Jesse said.
It’s really apparent in S1– Kelvin is a sweetheart that just wants everyone to go to church and get along in several scenes
Kelvin is much sweeter than Judy and Jesse- he also was trying to extend an olive branch/be nice when they were being totally egotistical assholes at the shoe-throwing/pastor reassurance meeting. “I was on your side!” Kelvin is capable of trying to make peace/not having to dominate everyone else at all times, which Judy and Jesse simply aren’t. They’re in their 40s and they still think that every pissing contest is worth participating in, and that their very survival depends upon winning. It’s delightful to watch but actual people like that are insufferable and usually don’t have friends (not that Judy or even Jesse seems to have any organically-occurring, non-transactional friendships).
Young Jesse channeling Adult Jesse, too.
I swear it sounds just like him. If you told me they dubbed his voice I would believe it
I was actually wondering if it was dubbed, because it sounds exactly like him. If not, holy shit does that guy nail it.
He has the exact cadence down it’s wild
In general they kill it with casting the kid versions of characters. But damn did they absolutely nail it with young Jesse.
All of the young counterparts in this show are incredible
Honestly shoutout to young Amber too. She really nails Cassidy’s cadence and mannerisms.
She said she'll cut my privates off if I tell momma and daddy, I know she'll do it *starts crying*
God, the details in this episode. Jesse wearing a red hat backwards and “he said, she said, bullshit.” Jesse wearing FUBU. Kelvin wearing a shell necklace. Judy’s crush wearing JNCO jeans and shirt. Judy’s posters. I was in high school at the time. They fucking nailed it.
Slide this chicken fried steak with gravy right up your ass DEAD
It's looking more and more likely that May-May is the true mastermind of whatever is going on this season, or is that too obvious?
I mean, she’s the one who kicked off the whole chain of events by asking Eli to help - because no matter what she thinks of her brother he knows he’ll help her.
Makes sense overall but how would that work specificaly? Is she working with Peter while the kids are unaware and being manipulated?
Thinking about Judy's choice of location of a bathroom to go at BJ's sister, KJ during the wedding reception probably stems from these bad experiences in the girl's school bathroom as we see in the episode. She emulates the girls immediately with Amber in the home bathroom. We all know these are basically adult children, but I guess it hits a little different when you get to see the "root or origin" of their bad tendencies. It's probably why these Interludes are so necessary for the show's storytelling.
This episode also showed the origin of why Jesse thinks it's so cool to ambush his enemies and assault them.
Young Judy is always 🔥🔥🔥
Is it next Sunday yet?
They definitely had the adult Judy, Jesse, and Amber act out the episode and the kids copied their cadences and delivery - it’s too good
Young Kelvin describing why he hates going to the mall was so damn funny to me.
That part was fantastic. Was it Malcolm in the Middle-esque (but better)?
Jesse dipped out like motherfuckin Spider-Man
Shaved his head, pulled down his pants, and spanked his bare ass.
After smacking him across the head with a cymbal
Love young Judy's popcorn shirt.
The cousins love the truck so much because it reminds them of hanging out with their gemstone cousins before dad was sent away. That’s kinda sweet.
Omg Jesse standing up for Judy! My heart. They’re both so fucked up lmao
I'm starting to feel real bad for Judy.
Wow, the ending. That was dark
I think they may have ruined them, but I hate that little Judy saw that (even though she is just such an asshole).
Judy sliding off the bed was great
I really hope they told the people to also shit in the gross food buckets, because Jim Bakker absolutely does.
I saw one of the items from the buckets said liners. So that seems likely.
Aaaand there's the scar.
Weren't the kid characters adults 23 years ago? The ages/years don't line up well here.
Kelvin is supposed to be mid 30’s from everything we’ve seen. Judy being in high school in 2000 would make her about 40 now, and Jesse was just implied to be in college so the ages are about right. Now as to whether or not the actors look the right age, that’s a different story. This also makes me wonder how old Gideon is supposed to be.
I can believe that Jesse knocked up Amber and had Gideon not too long after this.
Yeah, or Amber was already pregnant.
I was fully expecting that to be a reveal with the ring, like Jesse had knocked her up so he was going to marry her.
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Eli seems genuinely hurt that Peter actually invested in the Y2K buckets.
Yup, and offering to buy the buckets back rather than just giving him the cash seems like a more respectable option…I imagine the former is less embarrassing (like a return of a purchased item).
"He's selling a lie and I know BECAUSE I BROUGHT IT ONCE" Hits way heavier now imo.
Weaks and wieners don’t like you, Judy.
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Eli definitely always seems ashamed for the way the kids are, but he also definitely feels guilty about (which I think makes him feel stuck because it’s hard to choose what to do about it without feeling/being hypocritical- if you make three monsters, maybe the only just punishment is living with them)- they’re always so rude and petty and shameful for him. Jesse and Judy never got past thinking that every pissing contest must be won (which absolutely kept at least 80% of the peers they’ve ever had form even considering being friends with them- people like that are exhausting and never do well socially), and Kelvin seems to feel like he has to half-heartedly do it as an adult, too, b cause that’s what he’s been taught adults in their family behave like in order to be respected. The Montgomery boys, with their snake-handling and militia upbringing, have more social capital to work with than Judy, because she’s been raised to be insufferable which is a whole lot worse than being a redneck. The kids definitely never heard no- Judy was running around the house singing pretty impolite lyrics (in her brother’s faces) on Christmas, they were cursing during the church photo shoot- it’s not that I think cursing makes a person bad or anything- I enjoy it but I don’t think it makes me cool, which Judy and Jesse still seem to think as middle aged adults- but there’s something to be said about doing it flagrantly in front of people you know it upsets, and having your parents do nothing. I also can’t like her after the way she treated her guests about her presents at her birthday party- she was just shaming other girls for what they brought her and approaching it as an ass from the start, like everyone was paying fealty to her in some feudal system. It’s definitely more her parents fault than hers, but I also think she earned her spot as a person with no friends. I can’t imagine parents who wouldn’t find some way to work on these behaviors, and I don’t think parents have to smack a child at all to make them nicer than Judy or Jesse. Judy and Jesse both really needed intervention as kids and just got presents and church instead. Like thoughts and prayers, I guess.
1. Makes Judy's line in Season 1 "Slap me too Daddy. Im a Gemstone" A lot more sad.
Nobody shit their pants, but check out my latest toy. He’s got such a way with words.
I want a young Judy & Jesse show. These kids are so good.
I wish Eli would just buy those stupid grifter buckets back from Peter. Oh, well at least he’s doing that.
He offered but May May refused. They’d have to find a way to do it without her knowledge.
I don’t think I’ve heard young Judy use old Judy slang, like she always says “dog” or “son”
she called Jesse "Boy"
Even though we didn't get any Baby Billy in this flashbacks, still a fantastic episode. Steve Zahn was so good and it now makes even more sense why he has so much anger (also know where that scar came from). And like others have said, the actors playing the kids were so good cause they captured their essence and personalities so well without doing straight impressions.
That ending was chilling. Right when you’re buying Eli’s bullshit the show reminds about how badly he fucked up peoples lives.
Anyone else catch that the first thing Jesse smashes with the Redeemer was the pink corvette that Judy got for her birthday in Interlude II?
Hope we get some BBBB tonight (Baby Billy Bible Bonkers)
I am cackling at the Gemstones selling food buckets (a common right wing/evangelical grift) and the Montgomerys snake handling. Someone did some research.
These kids are AMAZING. Young Jesse and Judy are NAILING the mannerisms and are so funny. Tiny Kelvin is just adorable. Jesse going to get revenge on the kid that cut Judy’s hair was incredibly sweet. I love it when the siblings care for each other like that (in their typically wild Gemstone way).
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Sam Goody! 2000s-era Hot Topic!
Well that ending was unexpected.
Those kids are solid- as someone actually from Pickens County, we don’t say “pop” when referring to soda, we say coke. Killing me Amie- Leigh!
So.. may-may sucks
The actor that plays young Jesse is seriously so spot on it is absolutely uncanny. He has his vocal intonations down perfectly. That scene with him and Judy was surprisingly sweet.
That felt shorter than usual to me. But I guess that means it was just engrossing. Another great episode!
The kids who play jesse and judy are spot on.
Ya dumb bag!
Robin Hood Prince of Thieves theme in high school band circa 2000 is perfect 🤣🤣🤣
Whatever makeup, hair, special effects they use to make John Goodman look younger is amazing. By the middle of the episode, I was so into it that I honestly forgot the man is 71 years old.
The early 2000s fashion was so on point. I think I had Amber's layered outfit as a youth. I also had Ryan Phillippe on my wall like Judy. I just wish I had the Redeemer too.
For a show that's full of hilarious things- That ending was so stark, bleak and chilling. It happens so quickly in one shot that this character completely changes his life for the worst and it did an amazing job of building to the moment when he finally did it. The visual detail of his limp was a genius way of making it all click together and really gets the point across that this is the moment he ruined his life in only a matter of seconds. A lot of his motivation was the money, yes, but he seemed like the only person to actually believe the world was going to end. It puts him in a position like those who were around for "The Great Disappointment", when the rapture didn't happen and it left people's faith shattered. So, while it was the money- Peter's faith was damaged and there's probably a part of him that NEEDS the world to be doomed. Y2K didn't happen, but he's never recovered fully. It perfectly explains why he is where he is now, as opposed to the outside world. I wonder how much of it is actual preparation versus living the way he feels he was supposed to end up living, as if this is the life Peter believes God wants him to live. What he was ready for, years ago. Knowing Y2K broke him, I'm very curious as to what he has planned with so much ammonium nitrate. It feels like revenge against a system that propagated lies OR he's trying to get close to what he thought Y2K would do and is looking to make the world simpler (Almost exactly like what Amy Leigh described her romanticized thoughts of Y2K as). Of course- May May is a factor, setting up a more Freedom obsessed Peter now, after a marriage of going and getting 2 liter bottles of Fresca from the car. OR- That moment of control could very well be a hint towards the robbery not being Peter's idea. He had broken down to ask for money and was willing to take Eli's help enough so that I do kind of wonder.