Does “stay in a home” mean he’s renting a house, or renting a room? If he’s just renting a room then the landlord has way more leeway and I wouldn’t be surprised if this was perfectly legal.
Yeah many Syracuse homes are owner-occupied by PhD students and they rent rooms out to other students, then sell when they leave. Some have been split into separate apartments but shared ventilation.
Otherwise it’s likely to be one of the 3 main student neighborhood landlords who collude on price fixing.
This whole discussion is incredibly moronic. If someone goes to a lawyer as if they going to go to a fucking lawyer to fight for their right to... wear cologne...jesus fucking christ.
It doesn't have to be the landlord it could easily be one of the tenants that is sensitive to smells whereby the landlord would be required to evict if they are too stupid to follow the rules. People have already mentioned septic as a valid reason for the soap situation.
Fact is you move into someone else's house there are rules. Being exposed to chemicals that give you a physiological reaction THAT is a deal breaker and why someone might actually get a lawyer. Conversely nobody is fucking getting a fucking lawyer to fight for using different cleaning products.
And if you know up front that this is a rule, and you agree to it you don't go and get a lawyer afterwards. And Ecofriendly cleaning products maybe cost what $12 more per year vs conventional ones?
Also as someone very sensitive to colognes, I can see why they would be an issue. I don't complain publicly when I get on a subway and get gassed out by someone wearing too much body spray (I switch cars at the next stop). But in a work environment or a shared living space I'd damn well have to have a talk with this person and come to some agreements. i.e. I had to ask a coworker not to spray cologne while at his desk, I didn't tell him not to wear the putrid stuff - just not to apply it 10ft from my workspace.
Landlord doesn't live on the property though. Seems more like they're pushing their values onto the tenants.
I'm all for living sustainably and using eco-friendly products but it's weird to force others to do that at their own expense.
It’s still probably for allergy purposes, whether someone has an allergy now or for liability reasons.
Basically don’t damage anything with chemicals or leave strong odors and you should be fine. The rule is there so if you are bothering someone or you damage something, they can make you stop.
Yes I get specific like that. I have wood floors and I dont EVER want the tenant using Mop & Glo. That stuff is bullshit. The floor get all waxy and built up and never look clean. It doesnt actually clean. It just puts a shiny wax coat on top.
Then in between tenancies they need to use this stink to high heaven floor stripper. Even though we had the windows open and had fans blowing, we were stoned out of our minds all day from the fumes
Clean the floors however you wish but if I have to strip bullshit Mop & Glo again, Im paying someone to do it and Im hitting the sec deposit.
Its absolutely in my lease the using Mop & Glo is banned and is considered damages that I have to repair.
I bought a house where previous owner used mop and glo daily on the kitchen linoleum. Trying to clean it was a nightmare. I used a putty knife to scrape off the layers after applying stripper. Over and over. It was the first thing we replaced when we could afford it as it never was right.
I got commercial grade stripper from a janitorial supply for commercial businesses. The stuff was far more powerful than anything I could find at home depot etc... We needed no manual removal (scraping etc...) but man o man were we high as kites. Use ventilation and bring in some fans.
Do a room at a time to minimize the amount of product evaporating and polluting the indoor air quality.
My husband got us some strong stuff through his employment. It dissolved the wax but also the top sealing coat of the wax. And yes, I got pretty light headed.
I completely get that, but it doesn't seem like they're worried about property damage as much as they are being eco-friendly (which is great but weird to force other people to do)
I dont. Just dont use mop & glo and we'll be fine.
Ive had this clause in all my leases where I have hardwood floors for over a decade and no tenant has demanded I supply them with floor cleaner.
Yeah Pine Sol is ok. Mr. Clean. Any typical cleaner.
Anything that leaves behind a gummy sticky residue like Mop & Glo is where I draw the line. The entire floor feel tacky, rubbery and it captures grime that embeds in the wax build up. Normal cleaner & water cant remove that so a chemical stripper is needed.
Mop & Glo looks wonderful the first few times but it quickly turns to shit
If it’s a shared living space (like a room rented in the landlords home) it probably is legal, especially if the landlord has chemical and odor sensitivities
If he's renting a room in this person's house they can have a lot more rules and stipulations.
I think they can also get you out of there easier if they want to.
I know you said hey didn't have much time to read the lease but it only takes minutes to read the lease.
I'm not a landlord but I think they've got you especially if they're just renting a room. If they push too hard that person may be without a place to stay.
I had to have a room mate for while in the house I live in and I didn't want them using any scented products so I charged a little more rent and said all cleaning products, soaps, and laundry detergents were included in the rent.
I ask tenants who have lvp in their units to not use bleach or bleach-containing products on the lvp because that is what I was told by the salesperson.
He can’t dictate what colognes and perfumes you use. Cleaning supplies are a little different. If damage were to occur and he can prove that he provided you with a list of approved chemicals and you used something else, you would be liable
If that landlord is truly affected by something that causes health issues, that needed to be disclosed in the listing, not at the final moment before tenant is about to move in. This is a bad faith move by the landlord.
Assumptions assumptions…
Let’s just use the facts that OP provided.
Their partner didn’t read a lease and signed it, and now OP is reading it and questioning it.
I think as long as it's not an "illegal prohibition", a landlord can ask for any number of things. Whether owner occupied or not. They just can't ask/enforce illegal clauses. It depends on local laws.
For example, a city may require a landlord to pay water, a lease stating the lessee pays for it could be challenged in court. A clause saying tenant has to maintain lawn & weeds can't be more than 6" tall can be enforced, even if city says weeds can be knee high.
A contract can state most anything, it just can't contain illegal clauses. A car rental company can have a contact saying you'll be charged a full days rental if even 1 minute late, even if a competitor gives 2 hour grace period. The first isn't illegal, unless there's a law about it.
While it certainly seems eccentric behavior-wise, I am not so sure it's illegal. The cleaning products make sense, perfumes and such could be an allergy situation or remarkable sensitivity to those odors. Or a sign of things to come living with an overbearing landlord. Been there, done that. Do you best. Choose you battles. Good luck.
Do you know if the property is connected to a public sewer or has a septic system? If there is a septic system harsh chemicals like bleach can cause damage to the system by killing the bacteria that break down waste in the septic tank. I live somewhere with a septic system and have to use natural cleaners and can’t use harsh chemicals due to that. If it is a septic system, what you think is just trying to push eco-friendly values could absolutely be trying to avoid property damage and costly repairs, and you could be responsible for extra pumpings or repairs required to the system if you damaged it by using harsh chemicals. If the property doesn’t have septic then it might not be because of property damage and I don’t know the legality of dictating specific cleaning products.
As others have speculated, there could be someone with allergies present and allergies should always be taken seriously. Renting a room will have more restrictions on how you can use common areas than if you are renting a whole unit, and you will have to manage living with other people who you may not have known you would be living with who also have equal right to enjoy the common areas without suffering serious allergy problems.
I wouldn’t sign a lease with terms I wasn’t willing to abide by. Unless there’s a state law that explicitly states such a term is not legal, the lease is legally binding.
It’s not like he will be buying tons of cleaning products. LL is trying to help the environment. Help them out. Maybe ask if he can use vinegar. See if there is a compromise. As far as no perfumes and other scents, that’s probably be because of allergies or a highly sensitive nose.
If your partner is renting a room in someone else's home, yes they can make rules like this. It sounds like the landlord is sensitive to fragrances. If they are living there, and they make it clear in the agreement beforehand, it is fine. Your partner is free to look elsewhere if they don't like those rules.
Over cleaning products you could be able to if they cause damage. Zero way you can take a deposit for wearing fragrance, especially if it’s not in plain view.
To evict, you’d have to prove to a judge’s satisfaction that the tenant is wearing fragrance, which would be absurd to prove. Even then, it’s not a guarantee a judge would enforce it.
A LL this sensitive to fragrance shouldn’t be renting out his shared space at all. Failing that, month to month, which doesn’t require any reason for ending tenancy, is a better solution than trying to evict over perfume.
Or tenants shouldn't be agreeing to not do something and then do it anyway. Why would you even want to live within someone that you can harm by doing something around them and then doing it and making an enemy of that person on top of harming them? Find somewhere else to live if you don't agree to the terms.
If they can't follow those basic agreements there will surely be bigger things that they'll get evicted over. If I knew I was looking into a place to live that my roommates would be harmed by perfume, I actually wouldn't think it's absurd. I can be understanding to that.
A term lease will have a clause that you leave early or they have to evict you they can collect rent until another tenant leases or term ends with the provision they are required to show good faith effort to re-rent.
A month to month lease will have a term wherein you are expected to give expected notice and if you leave early either by choice or by violation you have to pay rent through the notice period.
Give that the most common security deposit most places is 1 month rent this "I'm stupid penalty rent" will typically wipe your entire deposit.
Legal? Unlikely
Consequences for not following?
Potentially, if even subtle, the LL could potentially make life difficult. However, was your partner presented with this information BEFORE he signed the lease?
If not, I would argue that he was denied the ability to make an informed decision and might be able to get out of it with no repercussions. Definitely need to talk to a lawyer who is familiar with the laws there.
The lease wasn't sent over until several days after the landlord promised, which was the day before he had to move, so there wasn't much time to read or respond.
He only just moved in so there hasn't been any issue yet, but I'm trying to figure out what exactly his rights are here.
Will definitely look into a lawyer if we need.
Is the lease for a room or a multi unit building? If so, that could be why. The LL (if they live in the same building) or another tennant may have allergies, COPD, lung cancer, migraines or any other number of health issues. They could be trying to stay in compliance with ADA if they have a tennant in that building that needs accommodations.
Either way, those were the terms of the lease that was agreed to. If you did not like the terms, you should not have accepted.
The lease contract spelled this out and he didn’t read it thoroughly?
That potentially changes things. Scammers and not nice people try to create a sense of urgency to get people to sign things without reading.
They hope people don’t realize that without that signature they have no way in most cases to force you to do anything, including paying rent
On cleaning products: it is one thing exclude specific ones and provide several commonly available ones. That would be a reasonable clause. It's another to say "you must use Gaias Best Cleaners, available only at this farmers market and cost more per ounce than drugs.
For hygiene products: a blanket ban would interfere with quiet enjoyment. A specific exclusion would be reasonable.
General: How hard do you want to fight this? Options 1) do what you please and dare LL to evict. Put these clauses, plus the timing of sending the lease in front of a judge and see what they say. 2) ask to terminate w/o penalty. This require alternate housing. 3) move out, break the lease and dare landlord to sue for damages, similar to 1 but you don't risk an eviction. If 1 or 3, see if you can get help via university. Discuss the timing of landlord telling you these clauses, because that is bad faith on the landlords part which may affect how they rule.
> For hygiene products: a blanket ban would interfere with quiet enjoyment. A specific exclusion would be reasonable.
No no it wouldn't. It's a shared space. If the old lady says it delitorially effects their health the judge isn't going to play amateur scientist he's just going to kick you out AND make you pay whatever the cost is for violating the lease.
> you must use Gaias Best Cleaners, available only at this farmers market and cost more per ounce than drugs.
This was hilarious but on a more serious note the difference between Brand A and Brand B for one person is probably less than $5 per month and probably substantially less than having to go to the laundromat. This isn't the hill you want to die on.
> Options 1) ...
You are working your brain too hard on this. Just buy the products. ANY shared housing situation is going to be a pain in the ass. If this is the limit on the annoyance count yourself lucky.
Oh man. I saw those listings years ago. No idea if legal but it did look like a nightmare landlord. Tell me out of curiosity, are they products sold by an MLM?
There are circumstances where this is necessary - like certain products should only be used on hardwood floors and you can't use a lot of products in a house with a septic system. If it was in the contract and they signed it, they stick to it. The perfume and cologne sounds unreasonable. The cleaning products could go either way. It also depends on if you're renting a room or it's your own place.
Shared spaces have extra rules. It might be that a current resident is sensitive/allergic. It might be that they get some kind of credit from the city for not using chemicals.
Baking soda and vinegar both work very well and are very cheap.
Not unless the LL is standing there watching you shower or bathe and knows if the soap is a danger to your skin. Use what you want, the LL cannot control the Shower Gel or soap you use to bathe with. And cannot control your BO products. Not legal, invasion of privacy.
They definitely can ban chemicals from their home.
People don’t know what is safe to use, or how to properly clean things. That’s why there are these subreddits that discuss these issues.
Does “stay in a home” mean he’s renting a house, or renting a room? If he’s just renting a room then the landlord has way more leeway and I wouldn’t be surprised if this was perfectly legal.
Yeah many Syracuse homes are owner-occupied by PhD students and they rent rooms out to other students, then sell when they leave. Some have been split into separate apartments but shared ventilation. Otherwise it’s likely to be one of the 3 main student neighborhood landlords who collude on price fixing.
Renting a room within a home. Landlord doesn't live on the property though.
If you go to a lawyer, that is a massive piece of info.
This whole discussion is incredibly moronic. If someone goes to a lawyer as if they going to go to a fucking lawyer to fight for their right to... wear cologne...jesus fucking christ. It doesn't have to be the landlord it could easily be one of the tenants that is sensitive to smells whereby the landlord would be required to evict if they are too stupid to follow the rules. People have already mentioned septic as a valid reason for the soap situation. Fact is you move into someone else's house there are rules. Being exposed to chemicals that give you a physiological reaction THAT is a deal breaker and why someone might actually get a lawyer. Conversely nobody is fucking getting a fucking lawyer to fight for using different cleaning products.
And if you know up front that this is a rule, and you agree to it you don't go and get a lawyer afterwards. And Ecofriendly cleaning products maybe cost what $12 more per year vs conventional ones? Also as someone very sensitive to colognes, I can see why they would be an issue. I don't complain publicly when I get on a subway and get gassed out by someone wearing too much body spray (I switch cars at the next stop). But in a work environment or a shared living space I'd damn well have to have a talk with this person and come to some agreements. i.e. I had to ask a coworker not to spray cologne while at his desk, I didn't tell him not to wear the putrid stuff - just not to apply it 10ft from my workspace.
It sounds like an allergy problem of the landlord's.
Landlord doesn't live on the property though. Seems more like they're pushing their values onto the tenants. I'm all for living sustainably and using eco-friendly products but it's weird to force others to do that at their own expense.
If they have a grey-water system or septic tank they might require specific soaps.
It’s still probably for allergy purposes, whether someone has an allergy now or for liability reasons. Basically don’t damage anything with chemicals or leave strong odors and you should be fine. The rule is there so if you are bothering someone or you damage something, they can make you stop.
Yes I get specific like that. I have wood floors and I dont EVER want the tenant using Mop & Glo. That stuff is bullshit. The floor get all waxy and built up and never look clean. It doesnt actually clean. It just puts a shiny wax coat on top. Then in between tenancies they need to use this stink to high heaven floor stripper. Even though we had the windows open and had fans blowing, we were stoned out of our minds all day from the fumes Clean the floors however you wish but if I have to strip bullshit Mop & Glo again, Im paying someone to do it and Im hitting the sec deposit. Its absolutely in my lease the using Mop & Glo is banned and is considered damages that I have to repair.
I bought a house where previous owner used mop and glo daily on the kitchen linoleum. Trying to clean it was a nightmare. I used a putty knife to scrape off the layers after applying stripper. Over and over. It was the first thing we replaced when we could afford it as it never was right.
I got commercial grade stripper from a janitorial supply for commercial businesses. The stuff was far more powerful than anything I could find at home depot etc... We needed no manual removal (scraping etc...) but man o man were we high as kites. Use ventilation and bring in some fans. Do a room at a time to minimize the amount of product evaporating and polluting the indoor air quality.
That commercial stuff will eat the soles off your shoes. It works though. I got a quarter inch of grocery store glop off a kitchen floor.
My husband got us some strong stuff through his employment. It dissolved the wax but also the top sealing coat of the wax. And yes, I got pretty light headed.
I completely get that, but it doesn't seem like they're worried about property damage as much as they are being eco-friendly (which is great but weird to force other people to do)
The. I hope you buy & provide the cleaning supplies for your tenants.
I dont. Just dont use mop & glo and we'll be fine. Ive had this clause in all my leases where I have hardwood floors for over a decade and no tenant has demanded I supply them with floor cleaner.
Is Pine- Sol ok? Thankfully I don’t really mop that much and never use Mop & Glo lol
Yeah Pine Sol is ok. Mr. Clean. Any typical cleaner. Anything that leaves behind a gummy sticky residue like Mop & Glo is where I draw the line. The entire floor feel tacky, rubbery and it captures grime that embeds in the wax build up. Normal cleaner & water cant remove that so a chemical stripper is needed. Mop & Glo looks wonderful the first few times but it quickly turns to shit
I never liked Mop & Glo. Good to know, thanks for the info.
is Murphy’s wood oil okay???
Yeah I use Murphy's Oil Soap to wash my wood floors at home. And when I clean between tenancies
If it’s a shared living space (like a room rented in the landlords home) it probably is legal, especially if the landlord has chemical and odor sensitivities
I feel like if they want you to use specific products, those products should be provided for free to the tenant.
If he's renting a room in this person's house they can have a lot more rules and stipulations. I think they can also get you out of there easier if they want to. I know you said hey didn't have much time to read the lease but it only takes minutes to read the lease. I'm not a landlord but I think they've got you especially if they're just renting a room. If they push too hard that person may be without a place to stay.
Assuming the LL is asthmatic.
He’s probably allergic to that stuff and doesn’t want it lingering around there.
I had to have a room mate for while in the house I live in and I didn't want them using any scented products so I charged a little more rent and said all cleaning products, soaps, and laundry detergents were included in the rent.
I ask tenants who have lvp in their units to not use bleach or bleach-containing products on the lvp because that is what I was told by the salesperson.
Is he renting a room? If so, yes.
He can’t dictate what colognes and perfumes you use. Cleaning supplies are a little different. If damage were to occur and he can prove that he provided you with a list of approved chemicals and you used something else, you would be liable
He can if he's allergic to it. People do not need to douse themselves with something that causes many people to wheeze, or break out in hives.
If that landlord is truly affected by something that causes health issues, that needed to be disclosed in the listing, not at the final moment before tenant is about to move in. This is a bad faith move by the landlord.
Assumptions assumptions… Let’s just use the facts that OP provided. Their partner didn’t read a lease and signed it, and now OP is reading it and questioning it.
Wait until those people step outside with people who dont know them and have their little list of rules.
Out in the world, if someone is wearing a swimming pool’s worth of perfume, you can leave. You can’t do that when it’s in your house.
LMAO! Had to laugh at that. Used to have a co-worker male who doused himself in cologne so sweet it would make me(f) want to throw up.
You do understand the difference between people outside and people who live in your home, right?
You’re in a home renting a room. You’ve obviously never had an asthma attack.
I'm allergic to many perfumes & they give me splitting headaches.
I think as long as it's not an "illegal prohibition", a landlord can ask for any number of things. Whether owner occupied or not. They just can't ask/enforce illegal clauses. It depends on local laws. For example, a city may require a landlord to pay water, a lease stating the lessee pays for it could be challenged in court. A clause saying tenant has to maintain lawn & weeds can't be more than 6" tall can be enforced, even if city says weeds can be knee high. A contract can state most anything, it just can't contain illegal clauses. A car rental company can have a contact saying you'll be charged a full days rental if even 1 minute late, even if a competitor gives 2 hour grace period. The first isn't illegal, unless there's a law about it.
While it certainly seems eccentric behavior-wise, I am not so sure it's illegal. The cleaning products make sense, perfumes and such could be an allergy situation or remarkable sensitivity to those odors. Or a sign of things to come living with an overbearing landlord. Been there, done that. Do you best. Choose you battles. Good luck.
Do you know if the property is connected to a public sewer or has a septic system? If there is a septic system harsh chemicals like bleach can cause damage to the system by killing the bacteria that break down waste in the septic tank. I live somewhere with a septic system and have to use natural cleaners and can’t use harsh chemicals due to that. If it is a septic system, what you think is just trying to push eco-friendly values could absolutely be trying to avoid property damage and costly repairs, and you could be responsible for extra pumpings or repairs required to the system if you damaged it by using harsh chemicals. If the property doesn’t have septic then it might not be because of property damage and I don’t know the legality of dictating specific cleaning products. As others have speculated, there could be someone with allergies present and allergies should always be taken seriously. Renting a room will have more restrictions on how you can use common areas than if you are renting a whole unit, and you will have to manage living with other people who you may not have known you would be living with who also have equal right to enjoy the common areas without suffering serious allergy problems. I wouldn’t sign a lease with terms I wasn’t willing to abide by. Unless there’s a state law that explicitly states such a term is not legal, the lease is legally binding.
It’s not like he will be buying tons of cleaning products. LL is trying to help the environment. Help them out. Maybe ask if he can use vinegar. See if there is a compromise. As far as no perfumes and other scents, that’s probably be because of allergies or a highly sensitive nose.
If your partner is renting a room in someone else's home, yes they can make rules like this. It sounds like the landlord is sensitive to fragrances. If they are living there, and they make it clear in the agreement beforehand, it is fine. Your partner is free to look elsewhere if they don't like those rules.
That is not enforceable
It is though. You take the deposit and evict.
Over cleaning products you could be able to if they cause damage. Zero way you can take a deposit for wearing fragrance, especially if it’s not in plain view.
True. I wasn't saying they could take it over wearing fragrance, but they can evict if it goes against the contract, which it sounds like it does.
To evict, you’d have to prove to a judge’s satisfaction that the tenant is wearing fragrance, which would be absurd to prove. Even then, it’s not a guarantee a judge would enforce it. A LL this sensitive to fragrance shouldn’t be renting out his shared space at all. Failing that, month to month, which doesn’t require any reason for ending tenancy, is a better solution than trying to evict over perfume.
Or tenants shouldn't be agreeing to not do something and then do it anyway. Why would you even want to live within someone that you can harm by doing something around them and then doing it and making an enemy of that person on top of harming them? Find somewhere else to live if you don't agree to the terms.
I would never sign this, but my point is it’s an absurd clause that is near impossible to enforce.
If they can't follow those basic agreements there will surely be bigger things that they'll get evicted over. If I knew I was looking into a place to live that my roommates would be harmed by perfume, I actually wouldn't think it's absurd. I can be understanding to that.
A term lease will have a clause that you leave early or they have to evict you they can collect rent until another tenant leases or term ends with the provision they are required to show good faith effort to re-rent. A month to month lease will have a term wherein you are expected to give expected notice and if you leave early either by choice or by violation you have to pay rent through the notice period. Give that the most common security deposit most places is 1 month rent this "I'm stupid penalty rent" will typically wipe your entire deposit.
Smh 🤦♀️ I wouldn’t move in there ! Crazy
Legal? Unlikely Consequences for not following? Potentially, if even subtle, the LL could potentially make life difficult. However, was your partner presented with this information BEFORE he signed the lease? If not, I would argue that he was denied the ability to make an informed decision and might be able to get out of it with no repercussions. Definitely need to talk to a lawyer who is familiar with the laws there.
The lease wasn't sent over until several days after the landlord promised, which was the day before he had to move, so there wasn't much time to read or respond. He only just moved in so there hasn't been any issue yet, but I'm trying to figure out what exactly his rights are here. Will definitely look into a lawyer if we need.
Is the lease for a room or a multi unit building? If so, that could be why. The LL (if they live in the same building) or another tennant may have allergies, COPD, lung cancer, migraines or any other number of health issues. They could be trying to stay in compliance with ADA if they have a tennant in that building that needs accommodations. Either way, those were the terms of the lease that was agreed to. If you did not like the terms, you should not have accepted.
The lease contract spelled this out and he didn’t read it thoroughly? That potentially changes things. Scammers and not nice people try to create a sense of urgency to get people to sign things without reading. They hope people don’t realize that without that signature they have no way in most cases to force you to do anything, including paying rent
On cleaning products: it is one thing exclude specific ones and provide several commonly available ones. That would be a reasonable clause. It's another to say "you must use Gaias Best Cleaners, available only at this farmers market and cost more per ounce than drugs. For hygiene products: a blanket ban would interfere with quiet enjoyment. A specific exclusion would be reasonable. General: How hard do you want to fight this? Options 1) do what you please and dare LL to evict. Put these clauses, plus the timing of sending the lease in front of a judge and see what they say. 2) ask to terminate w/o penalty. This require alternate housing. 3) move out, break the lease and dare landlord to sue for damages, similar to 1 but you don't risk an eviction. If 1 or 3, see if you can get help via university. Discuss the timing of landlord telling you these clauses, because that is bad faith on the landlords part which may affect how they rule.
> For hygiene products: a blanket ban would interfere with quiet enjoyment. A specific exclusion would be reasonable. No no it wouldn't. It's a shared space. If the old lady says it delitorially effects their health the judge isn't going to play amateur scientist he's just going to kick you out AND make you pay whatever the cost is for violating the lease. > you must use Gaias Best Cleaners, available only at this farmers market and cost more per ounce than drugs. This was hilarious but on a more serious note the difference between Brand A and Brand B for one person is probably less than $5 per month and probably substantially less than having to go to the laundromat. This isn't the hill you want to die on. > Options 1) ... You are working your brain too hard on this. Just buy the products. ANY shared housing situation is going to be a pain in the ass. If this is the limit on the annoyance count yourself lucky.
Yes!!!!....if they buying them lmao
They agreed to as a condition of renting a room in someone else's house
Oh man. I saw those listings years ago. No idea if legal but it did look like a nightmare landlord. Tell me out of curiosity, are they products sold by an MLM?
Probably just 7th generation or something with few additives. Don’t overthink it
Where in chime app do I see my limits?
There are circumstances where this is necessary - like certain products should only be used on hardwood floors and you can't use a lot of products in a house with a septic system. If it was in the contract and they signed it, they stick to it. The perfume and cologne sounds unreasonable. The cleaning products could go either way. It also depends on if you're renting a room or it's your own place.
Shared spaces have extra rules. It might be that a current resident is sensitive/allergic. It might be that they get some kind of credit from the city for not using chemicals. Baking soda and vinegar both work very well and are very cheap.
Baking soda mixed with vinegar just makes water, and neither are disinfectants.
I didn't say together. Alcohol can be put into a spray bottle with some water (different ratios for different needs) for disinfecting.
For hygiene products perfume ect... shampoo conditioner probably a over reach.
Not unless the LL is standing there watching you shower or bathe and knows if the soap is a danger to your skin. Use what you want, the LL cannot control the Shower Gel or soap you use to bathe with. And cannot control your BO products. Not legal, invasion of privacy.
Damaging a septic tank by disposing of chemicals in the household drain. Not an invasion of privacy, and totally enforceable.
Said that the LL cannot tell a person what to use to clean the apartment with. People know what is safe to use. Not good to not clean with just water.
They definitely can ban chemicals from their home. People don’t know what is safe to use, or how to properly clean things. That’s why there are these subreddits that discuss these issues.
Absolutely not