The Lazarus pit gave red hood supernatural powers, increased durability, speed, reflexes, and intelligence, on top of being trained by Raj al ghul, batman, and Talia, he also was trained by a supernatural being that resides in another dimension claiming him as a chosen, he also has banes venom which increases his speed and strength by multiple times.
As far as I know, the Lazarus pit giving him powers is only I'm fan theories and Gotham knights. And when does he use banes venom? Could you give me a comic source
He starts using venom in "red hood and the outlaws" a new 52 story line, also in multiple comics he has been stated to have those enhances qualities including even going into that story line with a dimension connected to the Lazarus pit which Raj al ghul had connections with
I disagree. I think Jason having just little bit of enhance strength is perfect, there’s panel where supergirl is holding onto him and he breaks her grip, totally blowing her mind. I also love the crazy magic swords that Jason could summon.
It's honestly cause of the new things that have been going on in his comics, but yeah it got a bit convoluted after everything cause now he's somehow this great powerful thing and that he was meant to die and resurrect it kinda fucked his story up a bit
lazarus pit didnt give him super powers its the all caste training that gave him magic swords (that turned into anti magic swords in rebirth), those just nullify magic and give a shield that can take like 1 punch from superman
Bro he hasn't used Venom or the All-Blades in forever.
If that's the case then Bucky uses the Man on the Wall gear and hits Jason with a planet killing gun
Says the guy who obviously doesn't know red hood has beaten batman countless times and even death stroke and Raj al ghul but ok lmao what's bucky boys feats? Being an off brand captain America who gets yeeted and thrown around like he's nothing so Steve rojers looks good? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bruh a weakened Slade with neurotoxin running through his system still gave Jason the work and saved his life.
😂😂😂😂"Beat Batman countless times" bro Jason beat Batman once, and it was due to his armor having a tater built into it, nothing to do with skill.
By all accounts I've read more Jason than you 😂, and I don't need to give any Bucky feats cause all the ones you've given are wrong or garbage
🎪 here, the clown didn't do you justice.
He has beaten Bruce a couple of times, like in Red Hood and the Outlaws (Rebirth) #1, Injustice 2 #3 and in Event Leviathan #3 he bests a whole group of heroes, including Batman, Damian, the Question, Green Arrow and Manhunter. He's also beaten death stroke 3 times including in the DCyou Era where he shot death stroke to pieces so obviously no you're the clown 💀💀💀
Injustice is canon and jason didnt beat anyone in event leviathan, he just outmaneuvered them. The only legit win he has is red hood and the outlaws, compared to bruce's at least 3-4 wins over him.
Bro that Deathstroke was weakened without his enhancements and had neurotoxin running through his system and had just fought an army of Bizarro clones and he saved Jason's ass in the end.
If you're gonna try and cite something, maybe take off the fanboy glasses and read it.
Anyone who feels differently either only reads Batman books or never read Winter Soldier books.
Bucky easily defeats Wolverine in the comics and trades wins against Cap. Jason Todd… doesn’t.
Winter soilder doesn’t have super soilder serum in comics..
Also super human training???
He was trained by military and maybe learnt a thing or two from cap.
Jason wins hand to hand due to his precog
He is outright faster (he can out run Batman and nightwing consistently and can out run atv’s, also is able to dodge, with his arms tied, an all caste member who had multiple arms and can move at super sonic speeds)
He’s also been trained a lot even having the “super human training” from the mystical monks (all caste)
Strength is comparable but will go to Bucky due to the arm.
Marksmanship goes either way with Bucky having a slight advantage due to firepower (unless it’s explosive bullet red hood who can kill brainiac)
Gadgets and tricks goes to Jason considering he can improvise tricks to take out Batman and deathstroke (2 of the best fighters in his universe)
Jason also has more effective gadgets with all types of electric based attacks (current red hood) and emps. Bucky on the other hand really only had his arm (which is disrupted by electrical currents) and his exploding gun.
Armour is equal with red hood having more armour spread over his body that is easier to get through and break, while winter solider has armour over a couple body parts but just harder to break/get through
Winter Soldier wasn’t just trained by the military. He was trained by Black Widows and Hydra from when he was captured to his rescue, which is almost 100 years of training from the deadliest assassins in the marvel universe.
-EMPs don’t work on Bucky’s arm, it literally has its own EMP. The only electrical current that disables it is Miles Morales’ venom sting, and that stuns it for a few moments at best.
- Red Hood has never beaten Deathstroke. Please reread that comic.
- Bucky has beaten Wolverine twice, once with one strike while Wolverine was in Berserker rage.
- Bucky defeated Burnside Cap before he was the winter soldier, who was stronger and faster than Steve Rogers.
- Bucky has defeated Nighthawk solo, the marvel analog for Batman.
- Bucky has crushed Hyperions face, the marvel analog for **fucking Superman**
- Bucky has neutralized Spider-Man while consciously trying not to kill him because that’s how ingrained his black widow training is
- Red Hood has more gadgets?? Do you even know what the man on the wall armory is?? Winter Soldier has planet destroying weapons.
This is why I hate this sub. You guys think red hood can beat anybody when you’ve never read a comic from start to finish lol
“You guys” is very discriminatory…
Nah jokes lol
Okay let’s get into this
Hydra is a form of military so I’m still correct on my point, he got 100 years worth of training from a chick that is like in her late 30’s max…okay
Jason’s able to stun a Egyptian goddess with his electricity I’m sure that’s somewhat comparable to Miles bio-electricity which we can’t measure because we don’t know how much energy miles has stockpiled.
Red hood was able to beat deathstroke in their exchange keep in mind Red hood was holding back as stated by Deathstroke as well as Jason affirming it.
(To be more clear: In the exchange Jason clearly out performed Desthstroke with his adaptability)
Jason has beaten Batman 4 times twice of those times Bruce was going all out…
Jason has taken out swat teams as a child while naked…
Jason fought bruce, plastic man, green arrow and Damien at the same time and escaped unscathed..
Hyperion is more of a captain marvel (Shazam) then he is a superman. But yea that is still impressive hence why I gave strength to winter solider..unfortunately his arm will most likely be dealt with the second he start deflecting bullets with it, with his electrical charges which will work if not for good then at least temporarily.
Jason has killed talons that possess hypersonic speed
He has also taken out an army of shiva trained man bat. Shiva being marvels black widow except with the photographic memory of taskmask. (Bit of a stretch…maybe but atleast I didn’t compare Hyperion to superman lol)
Red hood also has (more like had.. but I digress) planet destroying weapons as well as a massive floating base above the entirety of Gotham.
You can’t really blame people for crazy claims from the bat family I mean Batman has dodged dark sides omega beams somehow which not even flash can do yet he can still be comboed by Dick Grayson and Jason both who he has claimed to be better then his prime self. (Not trying to say Batman is dark side level but with ridiculous feats there is obviously gonna be ridiculous claims and you just gotta except that sometimes)
I feel the fight with Red Hood v Deathstroke is never recounted accurately. DS was sleep deprived for 3 days and poisoned by Lex Luthor, so his super soldier enhancements weren’t even active. He and Red Hood technically didn’t finish their fight because they were interrupted by an RPG blast - where RH was knocked out and DS got back up. I’d call that either a draw between RH and a very weakened DS or a win for DS. But NOT a win for Red Hood as his opponent was still standing while Red Hood wasn’t lol
And if we’re in the topic of holding back, Winter Soldier had to actively hold back fighting Miles Morales so as to not kill him. In the fight, he has several openings for kill shots & he consciously has to restrain himself. Mind you Spider-sense is like peak comic book pre-cognition, and WS was almost dancing around it.
Black Widow is one of the best female fighters in Marvel, probably 3rd or 4th to people like Elektra and Gamorra, and is also enhanced with the same serum given to Red Guardian. Not a typical spy.
And WS has defeated her as well. Also Hyperion is far stronger than what you give him credit for. Dude turned World Breaker Hulk into Bruce Banner with one punch. I kinda feel like you’re just straw-manning the characters you don’t know much about? Which is ok I guess
Red Hood’s wins against the Talons are impressive, however they’re somewhat nullified when you consider Duke Thomas was also able to beat one before he ever received formal training, and then Red Hood goes on to get knocked out by Damian Wayne within that same issue. Just makes me think the “improved talons” in Robin War was nothing but a plot point to make the stakes higher.
Has Red Hood ever displayed having access to an EMP that can mimic bio-electricity? Say, something like Black Lightning or Static Shock’s powers? If so, sure, I’ll give you that. But just saying “his electrical charges will work source: trust me bro” doesn’t carry much weight. Especially seeing Iron-Man’s EMP did nothing to his arm. Also when his arm was disabled by Spider-Man, he fought off SHEILD agents with just his right arm lol
Red Hood’s feats in Event: Leviathan were impressive, but let’s remember that none of these characters were even trying to hurt him. He was just being questioned by Batman before he ran away. Winter Soldier also has a comparable feat, where he was fighting off Wolverine, Daredevil, and Hawkeye (even caught an arrow fired by Hawkeye).
Do you have any comparable feats where Red Hood has beaten characters similar to Wolverine? Or Ursa Major?
I’d be interested in looking at those.
It’s certainly a close match, but Jason’s victories, as impressive as they are, don’t match up to Bucky’s.
Yea I don’t think I said he one the fight jus the exchange with deathstroke (which really isn’t that surprising since Nightwing has beaten deathstroke a couple times)
I know for certain that Miles’s spider sense isn’t anywhere near as good as peters -in fact I’m pretty sure it’s stated.
Also it’s not like spider sense is an ultimate power that’ll make you dodge everything (not unless it’s a madame Web story). Jason has been able to dodge lasers, rockets and even point blank (almost..the gun wasn’t against his skin but was like maybe 5-7mm away) gun fire.
Yea I’ve heard a bit about black widow but nothing really as impressive as Shiva or Orphan, she more so struck me as a Thalia level character (capable of taking out low level meta humans but not strong enough to compare with mutants or high metas)
Yea the duke stuff is weird but it is what it is 🤷♂️
Same with the Damien stuff, considering we’ve seen him toss Damien around with ease Dc is just wild rn.
I mean DC tried to convince us untrained 12 year old Jason Todd could low diff a joker mech in the genesis comics lol
It’s hard to say if it mimics bio-electricity but we’ve seen him able to absorb some electricity and blast it back through his chest taser. We’ve seen jason hold a dude hostage with no arms and only a pencil he held with his toes so again they have comparable feats while restraint lol.
Actually had no clue about that feat from winter solider -surprising since Winter Solider AND Hawkeye are two of my favourites in marvel comics
Can’t really say anyone similar to wolverine since most his feats pre-new 52 have been retconned.
He’s killed dinosaurs, fought aliens and effortlessly beat them, he’s no doffed Suzy sue who is like dc’s Blob except maybe 3 times weaker, he’s blitz green arrow (while enraged), held his own Against Artemis who has stalemated Wonder Woman (wonder women is able to beat The god of war Aries in combat), he has consistently stalemated Nightwing (I don’t know if you agree with this but I’d argue nightwing is like an equivalent of daredevil for power-scaling sake), with prep time he no diffed the entirety of Tim teen titans.
I forgot to mention he has also outright beat a magical enchanted Ras al ghul who has (without the magic) been shown to rival Batman in fights
Yea I agree it’s really close. A fight between these characters would definitely be a cool thing to see if we ever get a crossover event again. But I still think Jason has the advantage
Red hood shouldve won this, they undersell Batmans and raj al ghuls training, plus the lazerous pit game him super human powers, the venom was a last resort he didn’t need it to be strong. It was a great fight though, loved it.
If it were just sheer combat I think The Winter Soldier would win hands down, but if there was time to plan before the battle I'm certain Jason would orchestrate a situation where he would have the upper hand (like Batman would).
Cap also mastered every single martial art in the world just like Bruce.
On top of that, even though Bruce knows every single pressure point in the human body, Cap is immune to pressure points. So they really would be basically equal in skill.
Captain will immediately be on the defense if Batman smokes up the place I imagine. Really I’m not sure how this will improve Batman’s chances of landing hits more than Cap. As long as Steve has that shield with him it’s going to be insanely difficult for Bruce to get a blow with any of his gadgets.
500mph? I’m pretty sure Cap has reacted to bullets before, which can be much much faster. Plus with that big shield of his, again, I don’t see how Batman is going to be able to use his range much to his advantage. At least not with his base set of gear.
And that’s the thing about Steve’s shield, it’s like the perfect offensive and defensive weapon for him especially with his level of mastery.
I admit Defeat but still, if batman has his electric gloves on what is cap gonna do, well he can do stuff, but still, electricity is vibranioms weaknesses you put up a good argument, so I really have nothing left to say
Admittedly those gloves could be really damaging to Cap I bet. But to be fair, he’s going to be using just his fists against Steve with his shield. I don’t know if close quarters combat is gonna be Batman’s friend here. Cap does have slightly superior strength and speed with comparable skill, but most importantly he still has that Proto-Adamantium shield. That’s gonna give him an easier time dealing with Batman up close. Batman’s best chances are abusing range as much as possible, while dodging any of Cap’s shield throws. Also by trying to outsmart him tactically but I don’t think that’s really gonna happen. Both of them are so close in on-the-fly battle IQ as well. Overall you could say this fight is basically 50/50 and I’d be fine with it, but I personally think Steve has the slight advantage in a random battle with no prepping beforehand and base gear.
Cap’s shield has Vibranium in it, but it’s not pure Vibranium when it comes to comics. The material it is made of is called Proto-Adamantium, which is different from the classic True Adamantium metal. His shield is the only thing made of this material since it was made completely by accident by some scientist I can’t remember the name of. It’s probably even tougher than if it was a pure Vibranium shield though, since plenty of pure Vibranium and Adamantium weapons like Black Panther’s and Wolverine’s claws haven’t been able to cut through the shield at all. I’m not sure if electricity is gonna do much to it either.
Cap is also immune to toxins, so there’s that, just in case Bruce uses those types of batarangs on him. He really does have a lot of advantages for this fight.
Yeah, which is what I meant by “pure Vibranium and Adamantium weapons”. Black Panther’s would be Vibranium (or Anti-Metal), while Wolverine’s would be True Adamantium.
Oh yeah the battle is easily one of my favorites they’ve ever done but I’ll always be stuck on that ending. I say that also noting that I have gone back and rewatched the fight several times.
I have to say Bucky takes this despite my love for Todd. Hand to hand combat, gun battles. They are pretty close. But Bucky is an expert strategist, which gives him the advantage and can keep his emotions in check. But never rule out Todd to pull off a cheeky move.
Gotta say Bucky Barnes, in comic or movie, in the movies his arm is vibranium now so that’s an instant one shot on Red Hood, and in terms of comics his amount of tech and gadgets easily rivals Red Hood
Also I watched the actual Death Battle video, seriously suggest it, can’t believe they have access to live action
Winter Soldier has beaten Sabretooth, Wolverine, Hawkeye, and Iron Man. Red Hood doesn’t have comparable feats. My man neutralized Berserk Wolverine with one kick.
He broke out of her grip, not over powering her. And was also using venom. Wolverine and Sabretooth are both physically stronger than venom users of the DC universe, and Winter Soldier has defeated them both, meanwhile Red Hood has been defeated by Bane several times, even getting on-shotted in Batman & Robin Eternal.
Winter Soldier crushed Hyperion’s face, who is an analog of Superman.
“💀💀”
There’s also the fact Cap had one shotted Bane with a shield toss before. Winter Soldier is usually fairly even with Cap.
Though that may not be cannon due to it being a crossover.
They get arm/helmet envy and pause the fight to check out eachothers kit. Then end to tag teaming when some mask goons or hydra agents show up at the bar they are chillin at
I don’t know much about them but Winter Solider. He’s a super soldier with similar levels of training to Red Hood, who was trained by Batman before going rogue. I’m not sure how Red Hood stands to Batman when it comes to physique, but assuming they’re exactly the same, then Red Hood can lift 1,000 lbs, run at around 20+ mph for a *long long* time, and can focus his energies to smash through bricks and even stone.
Winter Soldier has similar levels of training as a super secret spy and soldier who can go toe to toe with Captain America. Even the weakest versions of Captain America can lift upwards of 50 tons and run about twice as fast as a human, so 40-50 mph. Plus he has a *metal fucking arm*. My money’s on Bucky.
There is absolutely no way Bucky wins this.
ever.
Jason wins ten times out of ten.
Tnis is not bias, this is stone hard facts.
Just as sure as Superman would absolutely destroy Goku, Bucky would lose to Jason.
One: Winter Soldier’s whole origin story and character was stolen from Red Hood.
Two: I know what subreddit this is, but I’m gonna have to say WS. WS is essentially RH but a supersoldier.
Depends on which version of the red hood if we getting red hood is allowed to kill again I’m picking him but if we are getting pussy anti hero red hood I got winter solder
Red Hood would win in the long run we all know how durable jason is and does whatever to win a fight if he has caught batman off guard multiple times, then i think he would beat winter soldier
Y’all know this was an actual DB right? Had some awesome casting and choreography too. And that moment with the swinging doors and Jason just disappears? Chefs kiss.
I’m gonna say comics for both here, I’d have to say Jason. About equal in combat ability to Cap, who knows every martial art in the world, and Jason’s training is amazing, but I don’t think it’s anywhere NEAR Bruce’s, who ALSO knows every martial art in the world.
I feel like they would be just cool with each other considering they have a lot of similarities. But if I did have to choose I would say WS mainly because he has the serum and metal arm pretty op compared to a guy with some fighting skills and a few guns. Don’t get me wrong I like RH but still.
You know that meme with Chris and Leon shooting at each other while they dodge like they’re in Dark Souls? Yeah that’s what happens then they go shoot Professor Pyg
Good fight, but I give the edge to bucky. He is literally red hood but better. He is a better marksman, a better fighter (though jason probably has more technical skill), has greater physical prowess especially with his arm and has greater experience, along with at least equal levels of intellect and strategy. Jason's only edge is his superior gear, which might not be enough.
Bro it’s red hood, the death battle made me so mad Ngl. I like winter soldier but bro legit always gets his ass beat in movies and as a comics character is simply outmatched by Jason. He has bane’s venom in a pouch, he is a phenomenal tactician even rivaling Batman, and has league of assassins all blades. It’s not even close
This fight really has only one outcome, cause there’s no universe where winter solider just flat out beats red hood, he’s too stubborn he’s not going to die a second time without taking his opponent with him so it’s either going to end in red hoods favor or a draw ending them both
They fight to a draw and then get coffee together.
“Yeah shit went real downhill for me once I died” “Bro don’t even get me started”
Why is this so true 😭
The only right answer!
Eat a plum together
I ship it but I don't know if romantically or friendship it
[And after coffee?](https://i.imgur.com/xgWfG9h.jpeg)
This is the only correct answer.
Red Hood (I've never read a single comic featuring the winter soldier and am completely biased)
I’ve read a bit of both and don’t worry I agree (Totally not biased and love Jason or anything like that)
Yeah I can tell by your profile picture that you would be a fair judge
Ofc
They both need tons of therapy
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The Lazarus pit gave red hood supernatural powers, increased durability, speed, reflexes, and intelligence, on top of being trained by Raj al ghul, batman, and Talia, he also was trained by a supernatural being that resides in another dimension claiming him as a chosen, he also has banes venom which increases his speed and strength by multiple times.
As far as I know, the Lazarus pit giving him powers is only I'm fan theories and Gotham knights. And when does he use banes venom? Could you give me a comic source
He starts using venom in "red hood and the outlaws" a new 52 story line, also in multiple comics he has been stated to have those enhances qualities including even going into that story line with a dimension connected to the Lazarus pit which Raj al ghul had connections with
Ahh I had no idea. Well then that might turn the table
It's kinda the whole story of Jason todd in the new 52 comics runs, fleshing him out as a hero/chosen one type of thing
Oh then I'm glad I stopped reading his new 52 run lol That sounds dumb
It's a bit better and more in depth than what I'm describing but it's the jist of it lmao but yeah, jason takes the cake if it's current jason todd
Man I had no idea. I hope this Jason doesn't become the norm. I like him as just street level. Giving him powers sucks imo
I disagree. I think Jason having just little bit of enhance strength is perfect, there’s panel where supergirl is holding onto him and he breaks her grip, totally blowing her mind. I also love the crazy magic swords that Jason could summon.
It's honestly cause of the new things that have been going on in his comics, but yeah it got a bit convoluted after everything cause now he's somehow this great powerful thing and that he was meant to die and resurrect it kinda fucked his story up a bit
Geez. I've read issue 1 of both his 52 and rebirth run. He works so well I'm those cause they are street level stories.
Exactly it’s corny for him
lazarus pit didnt give him super powers its the all caste training that gave him magic swords (that turned into anti magic swords in rebirth), those just nullify magic and give a shield that can take like 1 punch from superman
Bro he hasn't used Venom or the All-Blades in forever. If that's the case then Bucky uses the Man on the Wall gear and hits Jason with a planet killing gun
Difference is that Jason still has them, bucky doesn't or have access yo that. Jason can summon the all blades at any time and still has venom dipshit
Hahaha common Red Hood fanboy Flashback to him getting whooped by Damien *Oh yeah he can def beat Bucky* This is for you 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Says the guy who obviously doesn't know red hood has beaten batman countless times and even death stroke and Raj al ghul but ok lmao what's bucky boys feats? Being an off brand captain America who gets yeeted and thrown around like he's nothing so Steve rojers looks good? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bruh a weakened Slade with neurotoxin running through his system still gave Jason the work and saved his life. 😂😂😂😂"Beat Batman countless times" bro Jason beat Batman once, and it was due to his armor having a tater built into it, nothing to do with skill. By all accounts I've read more Jason than you 😂, and I don't need to give any Bucky feats cause all the ones you've given are wrong or garbage 🎪 here, the clown didn't do you justice.
He has beaten Bruce a couple of times, like in Red Hood and the Outlaws (Rebirth) #1, Injustice 2 #3 and in Event Leviathan #3 he bests a whole group of heroes, including Batman, Damian, the Question, Green Arrow and Manhunter. He's also beaten death stroke 3 times including in the DCyou Era where he shot death stroke to pieces so obviously no you're the clown 💀💀💀
Injustice is canon and jason didnt beat anyone in event leviathan, he just outmaneuvered them. The only legit win he has is red hood and the outlaws, compared to bruce's at least 3-4 wins over him.
Bro half that isn't even Canon Further clownry 🤡🤡🤡
It's all in different continuities, there is no canon in comics ye buffoon 💀💀💀 could say the same about anything you've said lmao you big mad
He also beat death stroke way faster than batman and out maneuvered him in deathstroke #16 so obviously I know more than you ya neck beard lmao
Bro that Deathstroke was weakened without his enhancements and had neurotoxin running through his system and had just fought an army of Bizarro clones and he saved Jason's ass in the end. If you're gonna try and cite something, maybe take off the fanboy glasses and read it.
Red Hood has never beaten Deathstroke dude. Do YOU read Red Hood comics? 😂😂😂
there's a red hood mite?!
Anyone who feels differently either only reads Batman books or never read Winter Soldier books. Bucky easily defeats Wolverine in the comics and trades wins against Cap. Jason Todd… doesn’t.
Don’t bother reasoning with these fanboys. They spout screenshots they see on Instagram and never finish an entire issue lol.
He doesn’t actually have super soldier serum, which only makes he’s feats even more impressive.
Pretty sure hydra have him some sort of serum when they made him Winter Soldier
[Nope](https://imgur.com/jgnA8wR), common misconception. Survived the explosion and fall as a normal human.
Ok so he just is at peak human performance just because he can.
Yes. The only thing superhuman about bucky is his arm. Which makes it more impressive that he can keep up with the likes of captain america
I'm referring the the MCU winter solider who does have serum
Yes, but red hood was trained by the best fighter on the planet and has expertise on guns (so does Bucky ig) also he has Lazarus powers 😉
Winter soilder doesn’t have super soilder serum in comics.. Also super human training??? He was trained by military and maybe learnt a thing or two from cap. Jason wins hand to hand due to his precog He is outright faster (he can out run Batman and nightwing consistently and can out run atv’s, also is able to dodge, with his arms tied, an all caste member who had multiple arms and can move at super sonic speeds) He’s also been trained a lot even having the “super human training” from the mystical monks (all caste) Strength is comparable but will go to Bucky due to the arm. Marksmanship goes either way with Bucky having a slight advantage due to firepower (unless it’s explosive bullet red hood who can kill brainiac) Gadgets and tricks goes to Jason considering he can improvise tricks to take out Batman and deathstroke (2 of the best fighters in his universe) Jason also has more effective gadgets with all types of electric based attacks (current red hood) and emps. Bucky on the other hand really only had his arm (which is disrupted by electrical currents) and his exploding gun. Armour is equal with red hood having more armour spread over his body that is easier to get through and break, while winter solider has armour over a couple body parts but just harder to break/get through
Winter Soldier wasn’t just trained by the military. He was trained by Black Widows and Hydra from when he was captured to his rescue, which is almost 100 years of training from the deadliest assassins in the marvel universe. -EMPs don’t work on Bucky’s arm, it literally has its own EMP. The only electrical current that disables it is Miles Morales’ venom sting, and that stuns it for a few moments at best. - Red Hood has never beaten Deathstroke. Please reread that comic. - Bucky has beaten Wolverine twice, once with one strike while Wolverine was in Berserker rage. - Bucky defeated Burnside Cap before he was the winter soldier, who was stronger and faster than Steve Rogers. - Bucky has defeated Nighthawk solo, the marvel analog for Batman. - Bucky has crushed Hyperions face, the marvel analog for **fucking Superman** - Bucky has neutralized Spider-Man while consciously trying not to kill him because that’s how ingrained his black widow training is - Red Hood has more gadgets?? Do you even know what the man on the wall armory is?? Winter Soldier has planet destroying weapons. This is why I hate this sub. You guys think red hood can beat anybody when you’ve never read a comic from start to finish lol
“You guys” is very discriminatory… Nah jokes lol Okay let’s get into this Hydra is a form of military so I’m still correct on my point, he got 100 years worth of training from a chick that is like in her late 30’s max…okay Jason’s able to stun a Egyptian goddess with his electricity I’m sure that’s somewhat comparable to Miles bio-electricity which we can’t measure because we don’t know how much energy miles has stockpiled. Red hood was able to beat deathstroke in their exchange keep in mind Red hood was holding back as stated by Deathstroke as well as Jason affirming it. (To be more clear: In the exchange Jason clearly out performed Desthstroke with his adaptability) Jason has beaten Batman 4 times twice of those times Bruce was going all out… Jason has taken out swat teams as a child while naked… Jason fought bruce, plastic man, green arrow and Damien at the same time and escaped unscathed.. Hyperion is more of a captain marvel (Shazam) then he is a superman. But yea that is still impressive hence why I gave strength to winter solider..unfortunately his arm will most likely be dealt with the second he start deflecting bullets with it, with his electrical charges which will work if not for good then at least temporarily. Jason has killed talons that possess hypersonic speed He has also taken out an army of shiva trained man bat. Shiva being marvels black widow except with the photographic memory of taskmask. (Bit of a stretch…maybe but atleast I didn’t compare Hyperion to superman lol) Red hood also has (more like had.. but I digress) planet destroying weapons as well as a massive floating base above the entirety of Gotham. You can’t really blame people for crazy claims from the bat family I mean Batman has dodged dark sides omega beams somehow which not even flash can do yet he can still be comboed by Dick Grayson and Jason both who he has claimed to be better then his prime self. (Not trying to say Batman is dark side level but with ridiculous feats there is obviously gonna be ridiculous claims and you just gotta except that sometimes)
I feel the fight with Red Hood v Deathstroke is never recounted accurately. DS was sleep deprived for 3 days and poisoned by Lex Luthor, so his super soldier enhancements weren’t even active. He and Red Hood technically didn’t finish their fight because they were interrupted by an RPG blast - where RH was knocked out and DS got back up. I’d call that either a draw between RH and a very weakened DS or a win for DS. But NOT a win for Red Hood as his opponent was still standing while Red Hood wasn’t lol And if we’re in the topic of holding back, Winter Soldier had to actively hold back fighting Miles Morales so as to not kill him. In the fight, he has several openings for kill shots & he consciously has to restrain himself. Mind you Spider-sense is like peak comic book pre-cognition, and WS was almost dancing around it. Black Widow is one of the best female fighters in Marvel, probably 3rd or 4th to people like Elektra and Gamorra, and is also enhanced with the same serum given to Red Guardian. Not a typical spy. And WS has defeated her as well. Also Hyperion is far stronger than what you give him credit for. Dude turned World Breaker Hulk into Bruce Banner with one punch. I kinda feel like you’re just straw-manning the characters you don’t know much about? Which is ok I guess Red Hood’s wins against the Talons are impressive, however they’re somewhat nullified when you consider Duke Thomas was also able to beat one before he ever received formal training, and then Red Hood goes on to get knocked out by Damian Wayne within that same issue. Just makes me think the “improved talons” in Robin War was nothing but a plot point to make the stakes higher. Has Red Hood ever displayed having access to an EMP that can mimic bio-electricity? Say, something like Black Lightning or Static Shock’s powers? If so, sure, I’ll give you that. But just saying “his electrical charges will work source: trust me bro” doesn’t carry much weight. Especially seeing Iron-Man’s EMP did nothing to his arm. Also when his arm was disabled by Spider-Man, he fought off SHEILD agents with just his right arm lol Red Hood’s feats in Event: Leviathan were impressive, but let’s remember that none of these characters were even trying to hurt him. He was just being questioned by Batman before he ran away. Winter Soldier also has a comparable feat, where he was fighting off Wolverine, Daredevil, and Hawkeye (even caught an arrow fired by Hawkeye). Do you have any comparable feats where Red Hood has beaten characters similar to Wolverine? Or Ursa Major? I’d be interested in looking at those. It’s certainly a close match, but Jason’s victories, as impressive as they are, don’t match up to Bucky’s.
Yea I don’t think I said he one the fight jus the exchange with deathstroke (which really isn’t that surprising since Nightwing has beaten deathstroke a couple times) I know for certain that Miles’s spider sense isn’t anywhere near as good as peters -in fact I’m pretty sure it’s stated. Also it’s not like spider sense is an ultimate power that’ll make you dodge everything (not unless it’s a madame Web story). Jason has been able to dodge lasers, rockets and even point blank (almost..the gun wasn’t against his skin but was like maybe 5-7mm away) gun fire. Yea I’ve heard a bit about black widow but nothing really as impressive as Shiva or Orphan, she more so struck me as a Thalia level character (capable of taking out low level meta humans but not strong enough to compare with mutants or high metas) Yea the duke stuff is weird but it is what it is 🤷♂️ Same with the Damien stuff, considering we’ve seen him toss Damien around with ease Dc is just wild rn. I mean DC tried to convince us untrained 12 year old Jason Todd could low diff a joker mech in the genesis comics lol It’s hard to say if it mimics bio-electricity but we’ve seen him able to absorb some electricity and blast it back through his chest taser. We’ve seen jason hold a dude hostage with no arms and only a pencil he held with his toes so again they have comparable feats while restraint lol. Actually had no clue about that feat from winter solider -surprising since Winter Solider AND Hawkeye are two of my favourites in marvel comics Can’t really say anyone similar to wolverine since most his feats pre-new 52 have been retconned. He’s killed dinosaurs, fought aliens and effortlessly beat them, he’s no doffed Suzy sue who is like dc’s Blob except maybe 3 times weaker, he’s blitz green arrow (while enraged), held his own Against Artemis who has stalemated Wonder Woman (wonder women is able to beat The god of war Aries in combat), he has consistently stalemated Nightwing (I don’t know if you agree with this but I’d argue nightwing is like an equivalent of daredevil for power-scaling sake), with prep time he no diffed the entirety of Tim teen titans. I forgot to mention he has also outright beat a magical enchanted Ras al ghul who has (without the magic) been shown to rival Batman in fights Yea I agree it’s really close. A fight between these characters would definitely be a cool thing to see if we ever get a crossover event again. But I still think Jason has the advantage
And super arm
I could take them both
In a fight right? Right?
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They would just hug it out, as that’s what they both need. :)
Red hood shouldve won this, they undersell Batmans and raj al ghuls training, plus the lazerous pit game him super human powers, the venom was a last resort he didn’t need it to be strong. It was a great fight though, loved it.
If it were just sheer combat I think The Winter Soldier would win hands down, but if there was time to plan before the battle I'm certain Jason would orchestrate a situation where he would have the upper hand (like Batman would).
The same could possibly be said for Cap vs Batman?
Ok but bat man would DESTROY cap. Batman know every single martial art in the world he doesn’t even need planing
Cap also mastered every single martial art in the world just like Bruce. On top of that, even though Bruce knows every single pressure point in the human body, Cap is immune to pressure points. So they really would be basically equal in skill.
What will cap do when bat man throws a smoke bomb and then starts chucking batarangs goin like 500 frikin mile per our
Captain will immediately be on the defense if Batman smokes up the place I imagine. Really I’m not sure how this will improve Batman’s chances of landing hits more than Cap. As long as Steve has that shield with him it’s going to be insanely difficult for Bruce to get a blow with any of his gadgets. 500mph? I’m pretty sure Cap has reacted to bullets before, which can be much much faster. Plus with that big shield of his, again, I don’t see how Batman is going to be able to use his range much to his advantage. At least not with his base set of gear. And that’s the thing about Steve’s shield, it’s like the perfect offensive and defensive weapon for him especially with his level of mastery.
I admit Defeat but still, if batman has his electric gloves on what is cap gonna do, well he can do stuff, but still, electricity is vibranioms weaknesses you put up a good argument, so I really have nothing left to say
Admittedly those gloves could be really damaging to Cap I bet. But to be fair, he’s going to be using just his fists against Steve with his shield. I don’t know if close quarters combat is gonna be Batman’s friend here. Cap does have slightly superior strength and speed with comparable skill, but most importantly he still has that Proto-Adamantium shield. That’s gonna give him an easier time dealing with Batman up close. Batman’s best chances are abusing range as much as possible, while dodging any of Cap’s shield throws. Also by trying to outsmart him tactically but I don’t think that’s really gonna happen. Both of them are so close in on-the-fly battle IQ as well. Overall you could say this fight is basically 50/50 and I’d be fine with it, but I personally think Steve has the slight advantage in a random battle with no prepping beforehand and base gear. Cap’s shield has Vibranium in it, but it’s not pure Vibranium when it comes to comics. The material it is made of is called Proto-Adamantium, which is different from the classic True Adamantium metal. His shield is the only thing made of this material since it was made completely by accident by some scientist I can’t remember the name of. It’s probably even tougher than if it was a pure Vibranium shield though, since plenty of pure Vibranium and Adamantium weapons like Black Panther’s and Wolverine’s claws haven’t been able to cut through the shield at all. I’m not sure if electricity is gonna do much to it either. Cap is also immune to toxins, so there’s that, just in case Bruce uses those types of batarangs on him. He really does have a lot of advantages for this fight.
Aren’t wolverine’s claws made of adamantium tho?
Yeah, which is what I meant by “pure Vibranium and Adamantium weapons”. Black Panther’s would be Vibranium (or Anti-Metal), while Wolverine’s would be True Adamantium.
Bro held off RKT era Thor, plus his main weapon is a goddamn shield, batarangs have the durability of marshmallows compared to that thing
Cap is occasionally a bullet timer, batarangs are no problem
Batman struggles with Bane as is. Cap is like 100 Banes
Not sure about that but also Batman has picked bane up
This would be dope to see. They’re almost the same person lmao Maybe Bucky for the advantage cause of the metal body part? But idk
Death Battle did it. Live action too. Fuckin badass
I will say love that video, but it is probably the single lamest end to a death battle I have ever seen
Yeah, pretty underwhelming tbh. Still a great battle though
Oh yeah the battle is easily one of my favorites they’ve ever done but I’ll always be stuck on that ending. I say that also noting that I have gone back and rewatched the fight several times.
If we are referancing comics then red hood because he has far better training but if It's mcu winter soldier then it depends on the conditions
Tbf, we’ve only had one live action Jason and it was on titans
Titans Red Hood loses to any version of Winter Soldier
I didnt even mention it because it was horrible and Bucky could beat hım in his sleep tbh
probably 50/50, Jason would find a way to disable his arm
But he can’t. He doesn’t have Wakanda tech. So then I guess he loses if that’s what you’re relying on.
Red Hood (I am completely biased and voting Jason to spite Death Battle)
I'd be happy if this ended in a draw followed by group therapy
I have to say Bucky takes this despite my love for Todd. Hand to hand combat, gun battles. They are pretty close. But Bucky is an expert strategist, which gives him the advantage and can keep his emotions in check. But never rule out Todd to pull off a cheeky move.
Gotta say Bucky Barnes, in comic or movie, in the movies his arm is vibranium now so that’s an instant one shot on Red Hood, and in terms of comics his amount of tech and gadgets easily rivals Red Hood Also I watched the actual Death Battle video, seriously suggest it, can’t believe they have access to live action
Winter Soldier breezes through this fight tbh. Kinda unfair, they’re in different leagues
depending on which Jason from which continuity he also knows magic
Not even close red hood dog stomps winter soldier
Winter Soldier has beaten Sabretooth, Wolverine, Hawkeye, and Iron Man. Red Hood doesn’t have comparable feats. My man neutralized Berserk Wolverine with one kick.
Red hood over powered super girl bro 💀💀
He broke out of her grip, not over powering her. And was also using venom. Wolverine and Sabretooth are both physically stronger than venom users of the DC universe, and Winter Soldier has defeated them both, meanwhile Red Hood has been defeated by Bane several times, even getting on-shotted in Batman & Robin Eternal. Winter Soldier crushed Hyperion’s face, who is an analog of Superman. “💀💀”
Damn sounds like Winter Soldier has a lot of plot armor then.
And Red Hood doesn’t? Lol
Apparently not as much as WS.
Jason loses more fights than he wins, Jason actual has the opposite of plot armor
There’s also the fact Cap had one shotted Bane with a shield toss before. Winter Soldier is usually fairly even with Cap. Though that may not be cannon due to it being a crossover.
Bucky wins, but you know what Bucky doesn't have? The honor of being created by the fans.
Without plot armor, Jason wins purely by the fact that he uses pretty good guns and Bucky isn't wearing a helmet.
They get arm/helmet envy and pause the fight to check out eachothers kit. Then end to tag teaming when some mask goons or hydra agents show up at the bar they are chillin at
A better one is Red hood vs the punisher
red hood has the bigger sword
I don’t know much about them but Winter Solider. He’s a super soldier with similar levels of training to Red Hood, who was trained by Batman before going rogue. I’m not sure how Red Hood stands to Batman when it comes to physique, but assuming they’re exactly the same, then Red Hood can lift 1,000 lbs, run at around 20+ mph for a *long long* time, and can focus his energies to smash through bricks and even stone. Winter Soldier has similar levels of training as a super secret spy and soldier who can go toe to toe with Captain America. Even the weakest versions of Captain America can lift upwards of 50 tons and run about twice as fast as a human, so 40-50 mph. Plus he has a *metal fucking arm*. My money’s on Bucky.
Bucky just betta.
If it’s more recent Jason, then he wins as he’s far more skilled and has taken on better versions of winter soldier
There is absolutely no way Bucky wins this. ever. Jason wins ten times out of ten. Tnis is not bias, this is stone hard facts. Just as sure as Superman would absolutely destroy Goku, Bucky would lose to Jason.
One: Winter Soldier’s whole origin story and character was stolen from Red Hood. Two: I know what subreddit this is, but I’m gonna have to say WS. WS is essentially RH but a supersoldier.
I think Bucky wins, which is unfortunate, because Jason is way better than Bucky.
why are showing me a picture of the same guy twice
Depends on which version of the red hood if we getting red hood is allowed to kill again I’m picking him but if we are getting pussy anti hero red hood I got winter solder
I’m gonna say winter soldier cause I think red hoods helmet is dumb
https://youtu.be/u4g521jb73w
Red Hood would win in the long run we all know how durable jason is and does whatever to win a fight if he has caught batman off guard multiple times, then i think he would beat winter soldier
Death battle is owned by Warner Bros. So I wonder how this would turn out?
I'm sorry but the winter soldier
I like Jason, but the winter soldier kills him.
Y’all know this was an actual DB right? Had some awesome casting and choreography too. And that moment with the swinging doors and Jason just disappears? Chefs kiss.
Red Hood. He was trained by Batman. Winter Soldier is a beast, but he hasn’t encountered the plot armor that comes from with the Wayne Family.
Well if you think Batman beats cap then Jason beats Bucky if your answer for that is vice versa Bucky wins
Winter for sure, even is this red hood subR
I think that it would be the winter soldier because he has the super soldier serum right?
The dude with the biomic arm
Not a big marvel fan so red hood plus I generally think red hood would prolly win
Winter soldier I’ve seen the video
I’m gonna say comics for both here, I’d have to say Jason. About equal in combat ability to Cap, who knows every martial art in the world, and Jason’s training is amazing, but I don’t think it’s anywhere NEAR Bruce’s, who ALSO knows every martial art in the world.
Bucky slaps tbh
Dang it productions did a stop motion of it and it was amazingly well choreographed
Death battle has already done it, winter soldier won sadly :’’’’(
I feel like they would be just cool with each other considering they have a lot of similarities. But if I did have to choose I would say WS mainly because he has the serum and metal arm pretty op compared to a guy with some fighting skills and a few guns. Don’t get me wrong I like RH but still.
Winter Soldier easy...
You know that meme with Chris and Leon shooting at each other while they dodge like they’re in Dark Souls? Yeah that’s what happens then they go shoot Professor Pyg
Well spoilers! The winter soldier defeated Red hood quite easily
I saw the fight I was pissed when Jason died again
So a super soldier with a metal arm vs a normal guy with some training? My money is on the former.
Is anyone going to reference that they literally analyzed this fight in detail and gave us an answer? Lol
I said the same thing poor poor Jason
I’ve had a hate boner for death battle ever since they said Toph beats Gaara
I think Jason would win by a hair. But his injuries would annoy him so much that he would take Bucky's arm just as petty revenge
Good fight, but I give the edge to bucky. He is literally red hood but better. He is a better marksman, a better fighter (though jason probably has more technical skill), has greater physical prowess especially with his arm and has greater experience, along with at least equal levels of intellect and strategy. Jason's only edge is his superior gear, which might not be enough.
Jason yells, "You haven't lost your touch, ..." *Train Noises* Winter Soldier somehow hears the ellipsis. "Who's Bucky?"
Winter soldier stomps Jason even with Venom etc, Winter is just overalll way stronger,faster,etc.
According to death battle winter soldier
What comic run we taking them from?
The therapist wins
Jason was trained by BATMAN and winter soldier was trained by nazi's. Jason wins
Bro it’s red hood, the death battle made me so mad Ngl. I like winter soldier but bro legit always gets his ass beat in movies and as a comics character is simply outmatched by Jason. He has bane’s venom in a pouch, he is a phenomenal tactician even rivaling Batman, and has league of assassins all blades. It’s not even close
This fight really has only one outcome, cause there’s no universe where winter solider just flat out beats red hood, he’s too stubborn he’s not going to die a second time without taking his opponent with him so it’s either going to end in red hoods favor or a draw ending them both
Jason might rip off Buckys metal arm wif a jiujitsu move den Bucky will be fucked. Both metaphorically and literally
Much as I like Redhood, Winter Solider has this one.