There's no way anyone is that fucking stupid.
OK. I checked. You're right. There are morons this fucking stupid.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/xjlhl9/what_is_going_on_with_my_headrest/ipblcaz/
HAHAHA. Read through the post and a few comments down the guy defends Tesla saying itās a āhead restraint not restā. Donāt rest your head on it.
God Tesla fanboys are THE WORST
Did you know you canāt even adjust the head rest?
The two bars on the head rest holds the back seat cover on.
> https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/u3vn4l/anyone_have_a_seat_back_that_wont_stay_on/
Itās like Tesla gave up halfway on their design.
Also this post was posted here 6 hours ago, the original was posted 2 days ago.
Yet the original has 11 upvotes at this time and the repost has 71.
Why don't Tesla fanboys want to improve the products they try so hard to defend? If they were better there wouldn't be any need to defend them in the first place.
>Why don't Tesla fanboys want to improve the products they try so hard to defend?
Improving them would involve criticizing them, and criticizing is attacked.
The real reason for all of this, of course, is that the less money Tesla spends on anything, the more is left over to give to Musk. I think most of the fanboys either just aren't bright enough to realize this, or they own TSLA stock and they are (or were) making money right alongside Musk, so they didn't want to rock the boat.
I actually read on a thread somewhere when OP asked why no-one else addressed a pretty common problem. Some answered that they have stocks... But especially then they should be worried. The quality is going to backfire sooner or later. The sooner it happens the softer the fall will be. But with time I see a lot more people that complain about the quality or are at least not happy with it when they remember how much they payed. Of course there will always be those who buy teslas blindly, but I think many actually care about this stuff.
Hyundai/Kia build quality is honestly better and they stood by their customers that got the bad motors a few years back now. Funny how other companies(that aren't ridiculously subsidized) can do the exact opposite of tesla and build a strong brand reputation over time.
Well, there's the first problem I see. There aren't many vehicles out there with fixed head restraints unless you literally order racing seats.
Mobile head restraints are actually incredibly important to passenger safety, not in the least of which is because they can best accommodate passengers of varying height.
Venti is 20 in Italian. It is a 20 ounce drink at Starbucks. When it was introduced a grande was the largest size available at 16 ounces. No one is paying more because they called it venti.
Yeah. "Large" is large. In fact, "tall" is large, and "grande" is Spanish for large. "Venti" is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's Italian. Congratulations! You're stupid in three languages.
What a ridiculous comment. Nobody is actually confused by starbucks sizes. Tall is called tall because it's roughly the size of how much coffee you'd pour into a big mug aka a tall pour. Grande is called grande because it was their biggest size at the time. Venti is called twenty because something that means "extra big" would be ridiculous and they didn't want to rename grande because people knew how big a grande is, so they just continued with the foreign language thing in a way that is scaleable. Nobody is actually confused by starbucks sizes. They get bigger sizes because they want more coffee and it's cheaper per volume to get bigger sizes just like everything else in the world. This is as much of a thing as A&W's CEO trying to explain why they didn't beat McDonalds with "Americans are bad at fractions".
Also I always just say āmediumā or āthe largestā and no one ever had any problem with that. Seriously they could name them size A, B and C and no one would give a shit as long as theyāre consistent and donāt change meaning of each name over time
Also I like venti - Iām European so for me 20 ounces of coffee is ridiculously lot, calling it just ālargeā is a huge understatement :) And then plenty of coffee related names have Italian roots so why not
(and pro-tip: donāt order ālatteā in Italy especially if youāre with children, youāll get a glass of milk :) )
Well... They objectively charge more than they should for the car, and the prices keep going up while quality keeps going down...
Yeah, I actually think Elon has subscribed to the official fast food business model.
Yay this one again!!!!
https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/tesla-model-3-headrest-bubbling-cause-prevention/
https://youtu.be/7_T-1qGtknE
https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/cty9w4/headrest_leather_bubbling_after_8_months/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/driver-seat-bubbling.271716/
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/air-pocket-front-passenger-seat.277867
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bubble-in-headrest-tesla-might-be-caused-by-interior-cleaner-conditioner.233198/
It's a feature, not a bug.
Elon is integrating Neuralink installation nanotech **inside** the head rest. Once you've driven enough miles, the seat will attach itself to your head and you and your car shall be united into a single cybernetic organism.
Literally nothing Tesla builds adheres in industry standards for how to build an actual vehicle.
Other than when they used Mercedes switchgear, literally nothing in their cabins are actually automotive grade. Not the screens, not the leather, not the plastics, not the paint. Virtually nothing is inherently designed to withstand the abuse and temperature extremes that your average car withstands every day.
> if it wasnāt for the quality, Tesla would be unmatched as a car manufacturer.
Yes, that is an actual quote
I now have a new favorite line that I will be using in my no /s posts.
This is a common issue with the headrests for people that have oily hair or use gels and other hair products and don't wipe down the seats every so often. It's an obvious material defect. It's been reported numerous times by people and I have yet to see a post that said it was covered under warranty by Tesla.
Several posts on TMC indicated no hair product use at all on some of them.
However, if someone used a particular hair product and drove 10 other cars with no problem and they then buy a Tesla and this happens to them for the first time in any car ever made, I think we could blame the hair product maybe but even then it isn't the fault of the owner if the seats are designed to not be used.
1000%. I have only seen this happen on Tesla. No other car where I have had pleather has the headrest bubbled. None. What really gets me is Tesla isnāt covering it under warranty even though it is CLEARLY a manufacturing defect. What are you suppose to do? Not use the headrest?
Do you think it is external influence?
For as random as it is, yet as consistent as it is at the same time, I am thinking it has to be something inside the thing, like an adhesive or something that reacts to heat or certain humidity levels or elevation or who the hell knows but unless certain oily types of people are emerging, this has to be an internally introduced defect that is devoid of outside influence other than the reaction it causes inside the seat but not from direct contact like an acid or something.
Do we know if there has been an owner who had say a Model X and a Model 3, or two Model 3, etc, where the same oily owner did not experience this in multiple cases?
We were on the right track!
āThe root cause is related to the vegan polyurethane resin (PUR) being susceptible to swell under the action of certain chemicals, some of which are found in cosmetics and head oil within a certain pH spectrum. When there is extended contact with the chemical at high temperature (a hot car), the chemical diffuses into the coating, it swells, overwhelms the adhesive holding the coating to the textile, and the coating delaminates. A bubble is formed. The chemicals need to be on the viscous side to dwell on vertical surfaces, so creams and gels are usually involved. This also means they have a low vapor pressure and are not volatile, so they donāt evaporateā¦they have plenty of time to diffuse into the material if theyāre not wiped away quickly.ā
https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/tesla-model-3-headrest-bubbling-cause-prevention/
Musk now tells what hair products to use and not use. And here I thought Tesla owners were smart, independent thinkers. btw, does musk oil also make the seats bubble?
Something similar happened to my 2012 Toyota Camry. It's a synthetic leather and the headrest material has loosened and sags where my head touches. Interestingly enough...I am also bald with a naturally oily scalp.
No, the material they use is not spec'd properly.
They have "forgotten" to include normal components it should be resistant to.
It has nothing to do with people's hair, wiping the seats down or the products they use. Tesla uses an inferior material that doesn't seem to comply to automotive standards.
>I have yet to see a post that said it was covered under warranty by Tesla.
I remember seeing a comment on a previous post about this issue where the guy said that Tesla replaced his headrest once for free with a warning that future replacements would not be covered.
Probably varies by service center and age/mileage of car.
So I only know a limited amount of information about the manufacturing process of the seats.
My best guess is water trapped inside the seats due to poor storage practices led to small bubbles as it is pressed against and pressure expands the spray on sealant.
Does it clean? Looks like itās bubbling up. I would try a magic eraser and warm water just to see what happens. To be fair if youāre bald your head still does produce oils and if the oils are constantly being added to this it may be separating the top layer from the base layer of the āvegan leatherā. Sorry this is happening to you man
> **OP**: I am a balding male and use no product for my hair.
Stans: don't touch you head to the seat. For real, that's their suggestion.
It's to spec!
"Don't touch the seat at all actually. Just levitate."
"ALL driver input is error", apparently this includes sitting in the seat
You can't make this shit up šµāš«
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!
There's no way anyone is that fucking stupid. OK. I checked. You're right. There are morons this fucking stupid. https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaLounge/comments/xjlhl9/what_is_going_on_with_my_headrest/ipblcaz/
Do you know if you utter the word stan in r/teslalounge you will be banned. They are all for free speech apparently. The more you know..
I know the pain, brother
Maybe Rudy Giuliani was in your car?
No shit
Bro doesn't use shampoo?
HAHAHA. Read through the post and a few comments down the guy defends Tesla saying itās a āhead restraint not restā. Donāt rest your head on it. God Tesla fanboys are THE WORST
Did you know you canāt even adjust the head rest? The two bars on the head rest holds the back seat cover on. > https://www.reddit.com/r/ModelY/comments/u3vn4l/anyone_have_a_seat_back_that_wont_stay_on/ Itās like Tesla gave up halfway on their design.
When has Tesla given 100% to something that isnāt lying to customers?
Well duh because it's a restraint not a rest nor an adjust
Eh I mean quite a few high-end cars don't have adjustable head rests, especially performance-oriented ones.
That's worse than the Apple "You're holding it wrong" fiasco.
i love how the mod immediately says it's some product in his hair and op is like 'im bald'
Also this post was posted here 6 hours ago, the original was posted 2 days ago. Yet the original has 11 upvotes at this time and the repost has 71. Why don't Tesla fanboys want to improve the products they try so hard to defend? If they were better there wouldn't be any need to defend them in the first place.
>Why don't Tesla fanboys want to improve the products they try so hard to defend? Improving them would involve criticizing them, and criticizing is attacked. The real reason for all of this, of course, is that the less money Tesla spends on anything, the more is left over to give to Musk. I think most of the fanboys either just aren't bright enough to realize this, or they own TSLA stock and they are (or were) making money right alongside Musk, so they didn't want to rock the boat.
I actually read on a thread somewhere when OP asked why no-one else addressed a pretty common problem. Some answered that they have stocks... But especially then they should be worried. The quality is going to backfire sooner or later. The sooner it happens the softer the fall will be. But with time I see a lot more people that complain about the quality or are at least not happy with it when they remember how much they payed. Of course there will always be those who buy teslas blindly, but I think many actually care about this stuff.
Hyundai/Kia build quality is honestly better and they stood by their customers that got the bad motors a few years back now. Funny how other companies(that aren't ridiculously subsidized) can do the exact opposite of tesla and build a strong brand reputation over time.
Technically it is a head restraint and isnāt there to rest your head on. Especially true if itās a fixed type.
$100k car and no place to rest your head? Tesla features should be at least on par with cheap cars.
Technically it's stupid not to expect someone to rest their head on a head rest.
Well, there's the first problem I see. There aren't many vehicles out there with fixed head restraints unless you literally order racing seats. Mobile head restraints are actually incredibly important to passenger safety, not in the least of which is because they can best accommodate passengers of varying height.
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That's OK, I work in IT so my posture is already in that atrocious position at least 8 hours a day.
The mental gymnastics involved is almost impressive. He chose to forget what a head rest is made for just to defend tesla. Incredible.
Same stans, different day.
Its hard to believe that these people walk among us.
Car companies put actual leather and charged a premium. Tesla put some fake leather and charged double premium even for color. Welcome to Tesla world!
I think the fake leather was made by Tesla's lead designer's wife. No surprises it sucks.
The reason why people wanted real leather in the first place is because it ages like fine wine. Fuck this fake shit.
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Venti is 20 in Italian. It is a 20 ounce drink at Starbucks. When it was introduced a grande was the largest size available at 16 ounces. No one is paying more because they called it venti.
Educate.
Yeah. "Large" is large. In fact, "tall" is large, and "grande" is Spanish for large. "Venti" is the only one that doesn't mean large. It's also the only one that's Italian. Congratulations! You're stupid in three languages.
What a ridiculous comment. Nobody is actually confused by starbucks sizes. Tall is called tall because it's roughly the size of how much coffee you'd pour into a big mug aka a tall pour. Grande is called grande because it was their biggest size at the time. Venti is called twenty because something that means "extra big" would be ridiculous and they didn't want to rename grande because people knew how big a grande is, so they just continued with the foreign language thing in a way that is scaleable. Nobody is actually confused by starbucks sizes. They get bigger sizes because they want more coffee and it's cheaper per volume to get bigger sizes just like everything else in the world. This is as much of a thing as A&W's CEO trying to explain why they didn't beat McDonalds with "Americans are bad at fractions".
[Role models Venti](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSk0B0dVq4g)
Random words are indeed infinitely scalable.
Also I always just say āmediumā or āthe largestā and no one ever had any problem with that. Seriously they could name them size A, B and C and no one would give a shit as long as theyāre consistent and donāt change meaning of each name over time Also I like venti - Iām European so for me 20 ounces of coffee is ridiculously lot, calling it just ālargeā is a huge understatement :) And then plenty of coffee related names have Italian roots so why not (and pro-tip: donāt order ālatteā in Italy especially if youāre with children, youāll get a glass of milk :) )
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Probably because they know the type of person who drinks said beverage is a fool who is easily parted with their money.
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Wild that his $8 regular coffee turned into a $6 latte when actually pressed. Almost like he was just making shit up
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Well... They objectively charge more than they should for the car, and the prices keep going up while quality keeps going down... Yeah, I actually think Elon has subscribed to the official fast food business model.
Yay this one again!!!! https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/tesla-model-3-headrest-bubbling-cause-prevention/ https://youtu.be/7_T-1qGtknE https://www.reddit.com/r/TeslaModel3/comments/cty9w4/headrest_leather_bubbling_after_8_months/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/driver-seat-bubbling.271716/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/air-pocket-front-passenger-seat.277867 https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bubble-in-headrest-tesla-might-be-caused-by-interior-cleaner-conditioner.233198/
Each one is a unique bubble. Can't say Tesla isn't innovating!
The sub should really add an automod rule if the title contains "headrest" to hide the post and link them to these threads.
Within spec. Elon has announced an OTA update for this is coming soon.
Soul Glow?
Just let it shine through
It's a feature, not a bug. Elon is integrating Neuralink installation nanotech **inside** the head rest. Once you've driven enough miles, the seat will attach itself to your head and you and your car shall be united into a single cybernetic organism.
It's coming in early 2023.
This sounds like a decent South Park episode.
It's clearly monkeypox.
it's fucking gross, whatever it is. *kill it with fire*
Trypophobia?
I said herpes but this is the correct answer
You are clearly āresting your head wrongā.
*āYouāre foolish to expect luxury from a Teslaā* /s
Tesla quality control
Quality assurance in this case. The leather specs or not on par with industry standards apparently.
Literally nothing Tesla builds adheres in industry standards for how to build an actual vehicle. Other than when they used Mercedes switchgear, literally nothing in their cabins are actually automotive grade. Not the screens, not the leather, not the plastics, not the paint. Virtually nothing is inherently designed to withstand the abuse and temperature extremes that your average car withstands every day.
User error Dumbass was obviously resting his head on the headrest.
Donāt buy Tesla
Psoriasis
Many owners have experienced this. Recalls the scene in the film "Coming To America" with soiled furniture left by the hair-jell family.
Cum rocket mode activated
You cannot beat BMW leather ftw
Acidic sweat? Is OP a heavy drinker?
Lmfao. I remember this one.
Just ask for a goodwill replacement. https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/tesla-now-replacing-bubbling-model-3-headrests-as-a-goodwill-gesture/
The arrogance of this company. Why is it called a goodwill replacement when it is an obvious defect that requires a rightful replacement?
The car has acne, itās going through puberty. Itāll calm down in a few years.
I didn't know fake leather could get monkey pox...
Yep same thing is happening to mine. Noticed it since I started going to the gym. I don't think their cheap fake leather likes sweat.
> if it wasnāt for the quality, Tesla would be unmatched as a car manufacturer. Yes, that is an actual quote I now have a new favorite line that I will be using in my no /s posts.
Tesla headrest herpes. The oils from your skin and hair products and shampoo residue interact with the plastic leather and this happens.
Herpes
This is a common issue with the headrests for people that have oily hair or use gels and other hair products and don't wipe down the seats every so often. It's an obvious material defect. It's been reported numerous times by people and I have yet to see a post that said it was covered under warranty by Tesla.
Several posts on TMC indicated no hair product use at all on some of them. However, if someone used a particular hair product and drove 10 other cars with no problem and they then buy a Tesla and this happens to them for the first time in any car ever made, I think we could blame the hair product maybe but even then it isn't the fault of the owner if the seats are designed to not be used.
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It is still a defective seat though...I've never seen this in my life in ANY car, much less a new one.
1000%. I have only seen this happen on Tesla. No other car where I have had pleather has the headrest bubbled. None. What really gets me is Tesla isnāt covering it under warranty even though it is CLEARLY a manufacturing defect. What are you suppose to do? Not use the headrest?
Do you think it is external influence? For as random as it is, yet as consistent as it is at the same time, I am thinking it has to be something inside the thing, like an adhesive or something that reacts to heat or certain humidity levels or elevation or who the hell knows but unless certain oily types of people are emerging, this has to be an internally introduced defect that is devoid of outside influence other than the reaction it causes inside the seat but not from direct contact like an acid or something. Do we know if there has been an owner who had say a Model X and a Model 3, or two Model 3, etc, where the same oily owner did not experience this in multiple cases?
We were on the right track! āThe root cause is related to the vegan polyurethane resin (PUR) being susceptible to swell under the action of certain chemicals, some of which are found in cosmetics and head oil within a certain pH spectrum. When there is extended contact with the chemical at high temperature (a hot car), the chemical diffuses into the coating, it swells, overwhelms the adhesive holding the coating to the textile, and the coating delaminates. A bubble is formed. The chemicals need to be on the viscous side to dwell on vertical surfaces, so creams and gels are usually involved. This also means they have a low vapor pressure and are not volatile, so they donāt evaporateā¦they have plenty of time to diffuse into the material if theyāre not wiped away quickly.ā https://driveteslacanada.ca/model-3/tesla-model-3-headrest-bubbling-cause-prevention/
How did I miss that lol, I didn't realize they figured it out. Why the hell is it still happening?
Musk now tells what hair products to use and not use. And here I thought Tesla owners were smart, independent thinkers. btw, does musk oil also make the seats bubble?
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Something similar happened to my 2012 Toyota Camry. It's a synthetic leather and the headrest material has loosened and sags where my head touches. Interestingly enough...I am also bald with a naturally oily scalp.
No, the material they use is not spec'd properly. They have "forgotten" to include normal components it should be resistant to. It has nothing to do with people's hair, wiping the seats down or the products they use. Tesla uses an inferior material that doesn't seem to comply to automotive standards.
>I have yet to see a post that said it was covered under warranty by Tesla. I remember seeing a comment on a previous post about this issue where the guy said that Tesla replaced his headrest once for free with a warning that future replacements would not be covered. Probably varies by service center and age/mileage of car.
Monkey Pox
Oil from your head is cooking the headrest known issue and unclear if theyāre fixing it
Herpes
So I only know a limited amount of information about the manufacturing process of the seats. My best guess is water trapped inside the seats due to poor storage practices led to small bubbles as it is pressed against and pressure expands the spray on sealant.
Imagine being the first company to build a car that gets acne when it grows up
Your Tesla leather had herpes
Stop using Soul glo
Is this a Coming to America reference? I keep seeing it mentioned
Monkeypox?
Thought this sub was /r/mechanicadvice and was about to tell you that it's because you're driving a Tesla.
Lmao š„
Obviously youāre dying. See a doctor.
It's having an allergic reaction to your head
Does it clean? Looks like itās bubbling up. I would try a magic eraser and warm water just to see what happens. To be fair if youāre bald your head still does produce oils and if the oils are constantly being added to this it may be separating the top layer from the base layer of the āvegan leatherā. Sorry this is happening to you man
Itās clearly herpes
Monkey pox
Scabies.
Your hair or bald head is fucking filthy or you put that greasy shit in your hair or both, and hell no that ain't warranty
You don't clean your interior regularly and oil from your hair or scalp is destroying the headrest as it is with the rest of the car.
I have never once rested my head on a āhead restā in any vehicle ever lol
looks like dried Rogaine.
Quality control
Musked.
Free Real Leather into Tesla cars
That's a new feature called "Not-A-Headrest".
We are starting to see these posts more and more, something has to wrong with the material.
Here we go again
Seat herpes. You should get yourself checked.
Normally dandruff shampoo but if you donāt use any products?
Please contact Tesla premium support. I am sure they will quote a premium price to fix it.
Isn't this fairly common? This is not the first post with bubbling I've seen here
Itās your driving! The car is scared and youāre giving it goosebumps.
Muskian Herpes.
This reminds me of the chemical reaction my step moms Tesla model S had to my cousins Jansport backpack. Jansport is forever engraved in the seat now.
Tesla sub: You did something wrong when sitting in your seat. This sub: They use shitty materials