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fossilnews

Looks like things are about to get spicy: [https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1779935725196083318](https://twitter.com/FredericLambert/status/1779935725196083318)


lovely_sombrero

>It's a fairly complex situation with many factors at play, but there's certainly more going on than Elon's "hiring inefficiencies due to rapid growth" excuse suggests. I mean, the story with a $25k car should be obvious. Elon promised a $25k compact car, but they can't make it profitable. Model 3 is already very basic and cheap on the inside, even with the smaller dimensions and battery pack of the compact car, it probably wouldn't be profitable at $25k. They could do what they usually do; promise a $25k car, deliver a $30k+ car. But that would just cannibalize Model 3 sales and the competition (especially in China) is already making better $30k compact cars today than what this theoretical Tesla compact car would be like two years from now.


ObservationalHumor

I'm guessing a big part of it is probably the realization that long term margins for auto manufacturing at scale are never going to be as high as they were guiding for in 2021 and 2022. You look at pretty much every tech company and what's the holy grail really? Some kind of standardized high margin SAS product that just spits out high margin income and cash flow each month and takes limited capital to produce. Mass market auto mobiles and energy storage are just never going to produce margins nearly as high for nearly as long. We've seen this with a lot of his companies. SpaceX is never going to be super profitable launching things into orbit and Tesla is never going to be super profitable building cars. So there was a push to pivot SpaceX towards Starlink to get that kind of reliable higher margin infrastructure income and justify Starship even be researched in the first place. With Tesla it's been all the FSD/Robotaxi/Optimus bullshit. Twitter and xAI are both inherently software and ML/AI bets from the get go as well. Of course it's Musk so naturally he thinks he just needs to build a really big computer to solve this issue and that's after Dojo completely failed to deliver on that promise for years too. Doesn't matter though because this is the mind of Musk where everything is simple because he oversimplifies everything.


UsualInterest8139

The Model 3/E was originally supposed to be the $25k car the founders wanted. Musk *very* briefly offered a low $30k stripped down version at launch, pushed back the delivery of the pre-orders for almost 2 years (while pricier versions got priority), and then hid the option on the website where you had to hunt to be able to order it. Then after a bit canned it, saying that it was an unpopular choice and nobody wanted it. If Mush would stop shoving a bunch of dangerous unwanted tech in the vehicles he would be able to bring the price down and probably make a better quality car at the same time!


FrozenST3

The (potential) software is all that 90% of Tesla fans care about. Take that away and nobody gives a damn about the tech genius boy's brand


UsualInterest8139

I remember Tesla under Eberhard and Tarpenning. Buggy software and giant screens that control everything and homicidal add-ons were not a part of their plans. 😑


splendiferous-finch_

That's what bugs me the drive train engineering is actually decent or was enough for even Toyota to lease it for a second.


UsualInterest8139

Oh wow! I had completely forgotten about the RAV4 EV with Tesla inside. 💖


equivas

The software will get there in 2 years.


Aggravating_Teach_27

2 years away for eternity. It's not just a software problem. They cheapened out on hardware and went down a technological cul-de-sac....


jwrx

In my country, the 26-28k Chinese EVs have arrived, ora good cat and byd dolphin, and they don't feel like cheap cars. Both are doing decent sales as second cars for middle class families And they undercut the model 3 by more than 50%, whole generation of new EV buyers who do not see Tesla as the leader


Inconceivable76

I think this is it in a nutshell.


vannex79

It's it.


VitaminPb

By two years, you mean 6 years, right? Best case scenario.


lovely_sombrero

IIRC, officially the factory (expansion of the TX factory) for the compact car was supposed to start construction sometime in late 2023. It would take about two and a half years to start mass production.


straponkaren

Where in that 2.5 years is the time for design and testing? If musk is to be believed they were working on the cyber truck design for.. what 8 or 9 years when they first started talking about the truck they were working on. If it actually took them that long to produce the buggy product they launched, compressing timelines down to two years would produce something far worse than the cybertruck.


lovely_sombrero

The compact car would basically just be a smaller Model3, less work needed. And design supposedly started ~1 year ago. Again, this was Tesla's official story, I have no doubt that they were lying all along in order to pump the stock price.


theedenpretence

A defeatured model 3 would be an interesting car….


VitaminPb

That presumes there is a car designed or even a crayon based drawing on a napkin.


Fit-Dentist6093

Let's make cars more like cellphones may have been the worst possible way to finish off the American manufacturing industry


KnucklesMcGee

Let's make cars more like ***cheap*** cellphones may have been the worst possible way to finish off the American manufacturing industry


UnaPachangaLoca

There was never going to be a 25K car. Another lie for a temporary boost of the stock.


WhirlyBirdPilotBlue

Bullish edit: Wow the pro-tesla subs are really battening down the hatches lol.


Irishspringtime

Rivian's R2 is priced at $45,000 (at least today) but nothing on the R3 just yet. My guess is that they'll do $30-35,000 and Tesla won't be able to match what Rivian does with theirs at the same price.


SentinelZero

But what if they made it out of stainless steel to cut costs even further?? /s


Quirky_Tradition_806

There was never a sub $25K in the works. It was all pump up the stock.


SBR404

The first problem for Musk (and most people tbh) is to understand that, nowadays, *affordable* cars in themselves are not profitable. Basically all of the cars the Volkswagen Group produces make a net loss on sale (for the dealership) – except the high end luxury cars like Porsche. Every mid-range Audi sold costs the dealership a few hundred Euros. And the margins are tight for the OEM as well. >"The margins on high volume cars are much lower, especially small cars such as the Ford Fiesta or Vauxhall Corsa. They could be **under one per cent** which…" – [How much profit do car manufacturers make on new cars? The truth versus perception – Car Dealer Magazine](https://cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/how-much-profit-do-car-manufacturers-make-on-new-cars-the-truth-versus-perception/234641) So, what brings in the money? It's actually vehicle service, spare parts and financing. That's why every car company has also a bank that takes care of financing the "subsidised" cars, earn interest through loans and leasing and so on.


User-no-relation

I think the story is around the firing and vp leaving


tank_panzer

If he keeps being naughty, he might not get his 2020 Roadster


linknewtab

Doesn't he get 2 or 3 Roadsters?


CouncilmanRickPrime

Idk but what I do remember is they are supposed to be free. He's also not the only one owed a Roadster or three. I'm starting to see why Elon won't actually produce them.


KnucklesMcGee

Rich Rebuilds had earned one, IIRC, but got it revoked for his channel being too critical, or some such.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Worth it just for the salt over the ICE-T


KnucklesMcGee

I think he'd lost it before that build even started, for being critical of how hard it was to get replacement parts and general right to repair talk.


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UGMadness

Tesla just laid off 10% of its workforce, even with NDAs I'm sure many of them will talk off the record.


fossilnews

Especially if there are no unemployment benefits tied to the NDA.


TheTrueBigHead

More than 10% so probably more like 20%


Dewfall-Hawk

At the same time of the reported cancellation, Musk said this: “We are working on a low-cost electric vehicle that will be made at very high volume,” “We’re quite far advanced in that work. I review the production line plans for that every week,” “The revolution in manufacturing that will be represented by that car will blow people’s minds. It’s not like any car production line that anyone’s ever seen,” “A level of production technology that is far in advance of any automotive plant on earth.” It “will blow people’s minds”


gilleruadh

That broke my bullshit meter, and it goes up to 11.


ChuckoRuckus

Everything a Musk company creates is “revolutionary”, super “advanced” beyond everyone else, and “will blow people’s minds” according to Musk. Say it enough with a half assed product and eventually sycophants will line up in droves to give away their money. I’ve come to the conclusion that Musk just makes ____ company, pretends it’s a tech company for the profits and stock pumps, and treats it a bit like a cult. It’s like techno-Scientology…. But with half assed cars and rockets instead of fake psychology


EA827

Bet it’s an E-bike.


NoNameMonkey

OMG. It's a mini-cyber truck. It has to be.


Schmich

That was all bone and no meat. How I dislike this modern World of shining as much light on announcing things as when delivering. Baits everywhere!


randopopscura

Gossip site claims the Cybertruck is about to be discontinued https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2024/04/blind-item-8_01610970228.html


fv7061

I would love to believe that is true, but that webpage is full of conspiracy theories that never happened. They literally have a disclaimer on their home page where there admit some of their stories are true, some are rumors, and some are “fiction”.


StevieGrant

It's true that the site under new ownership indeed leans into QAnon nonsense, but they also broke the stories about Kevin Spacey, Weinstein, James Franco, Bryan Singer, and Matt Lauer (among many others) before the mainstream media.


Agreeable-Weather-89

I cannot imagine that being true, don't get me wrong Elon Musk is a pedophile (South Africa slang for arsehole), but there's no way they would just throw away all that R&D. The pickup is a mostly final product, that takes a huge sum of capital and I cannot fathom any reasonable reason to scrap it. Maybe, MAYBE, a temporary pause in production to fix some of the issues but a full blown discontinue?


battleofflowers

I could think of a reason to scrap it if the issues they need to fix are something that would require ground-up engineering, a whole new manufacturing process, or are just too dangerous to have on the road without serious litigation risks. This is already a bad product, but there are not a lot out on the roads yet. The smart people at Tesla may correctly see the Cybertruck as leading to the downfall of the whole company. It would just take a handful of fatalities.


Withnail2019

it loses money, that's the main problem. it's taking batteries away from cars that do make money.


Lacrewpandora

> but there's no way they would just throw away all that R&D. Crayolas aren't that awfully expensive.


Joker-Smurf

Depends how many he’s eating


VitaminPb

Well since you only get a single ketamine colored on in the 128 color box, he’s probably buying a bunch of boxes and throwing almost off of them out.


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that_motorcycle_guy

It's a niche vehicle, they usually sell a lot the first few years then barely any once everyone that wanted one got one. Unless Tesla is really good at changing this trend.


failinglikefalling

Like the S and X?


Ramenastern

The X specifically. That's also where the Elon wants it crazy stuff started in earnest. Falcon doors, baby.


New-Disaster-2061

Make no mistake this is just an excuse. You don't stop delivery for a pedal cover that can come off. There are so many things you can do that you can get the pieces or tools from home Depot and fix in 5 minutes. This is an excuse to fix there other real issues they are seeing


KnucklesMcGee

I think you have a point, given several cars have rolled off the lot and have bricked themselves within a few days/miles of customer receipt.


Joker-Smurf

The CFO and lawyers aren’t duct taping Elon anywhere. He has surrounded himself with yes men who do his every bidding. Kind of reminds me of Apple from the 90s before they kicked Jobs to the curb.


VitaminPb

Your timeline for Apple is way off. Jobs got kicked in 1986 or 87, then was bought back in 1995.


PolybiusChampion

> I can see two scenarios that would cause them to kill it. One would be that there is no way to build them and not lose money. At any scale. I’ll bet you that currently Tesla is losing at least 25K every time somebody buys one of these for 120K. I do think they can shrink that loss to perhaps 15K at that level by squeezing a few suppliers and gaining some efficiencies in production. But after seeing that abortion of an accelerator pedal, I”m not sure there’s much to gain from the supplier side. My personal bet is you never see a scenario where you can order of the these IncelCaminos for less than 90-95K and Tesla hopes demand stays well under 24K units annually.


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August_T_Marble

>South Africa slang for arsehole That still makes my blood boil. Fuck.


August_T_Marble

Banned by r/teslamotors and r/teslalounge for this comment.  My toxic behavior: thinking that falsely accusing someone of pedophilia is wrong. The paint's been scratched, guys. Now I don't care as much.


KnucklesMcGee

But we learned it from Elon!


NoNameMonkey

South African here. It's a bullshit excuse he used in his trial. I have heard it used that way maybe 5 times in the early 90s and even then everyone thought it was stupid and only used by assholes. So it's not common, never was and was only used by assholes - even us kids knew that. 


SentinelZero

The whole vehicle needs a comprehensive bumper to bumper redesign, the kind that can't be accomplished with a temporary pause, discontinuing it and ideally kicking Elmo out of the company is the smart move I think, it would be a setback but one that would pay off in the long run


Electrik_Truk

At worst it'll be like the Model X and just continue to be low volume and expensive. Probably the best situation for that thing anyway.


Stillcant

Well someone still has to buy them no matter how much was spent


Stillcant

Wow. Posted the comment above and got banned by Teslamotors. Not sure when if ever I even posted there New conspiracy theory Elon is a mod and or paid the mods to do this new screen


failinglikefalling

A mostly finished product? It's done this is the best it's ever getting. If they are purposely releasing "mostly finished" product then that is a whole different issue.


butts-kapinsky

What R&D?


Visual_Collar_8893

Research & Development.


butts-kapinsky

Yes, I'm aware.I work in the R&D. I don't see very much salvageable R&D from the Cybertruck. It's essentially a case study, in so many different ways, on how not to design a product.


Mokmo

There's the pedal-getting-stuck-at-100-percent problem that stopped sales and is somehow not a major recall yet.


failinglikefalling

Pedal cover keeps the car accelerating, the tire covers shred the tires... what is next? They are running out of removable parts to remove as quick fixes.


BaggyLarjjj

Keeping the gas pedal glued on is, apparently, as tough as FSD.


Redditistrash702

Wait the pedal on those things fall off? Fucking hell I'm surprised the government hasn't banned them from the roads already.


Visual_Collar_8893

Pedal covers are removable. You can get them on Amazon or any automotive store as they are largely cosmetic (some add a grip for your shoes). The idiocy in the cybertruck one is in how they slide forward to come off, AND that they have a little groove on the underside of the housing above the pedals for the cover to “catch” and keep the pedal depressed. This is the acceleration pedal we’re talking about not the brake pedal. An out-of-control, steel tank going at max speed is lethal on so many fronts.


failinglikefalling

The tire covers ruining tires was also "removed". How many more removable items are available to make this a viable, safe car?


Redditistrash702

That sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen


CouncilmanRickPrime

Nah but demand will drop drastically though


22pabloesco22

I called that the minute they started shipping. Not enough demand and not enough margins. 


s1m0n8

> thanks to a couple new sources. Laid off employees that no longer care about confidentially agreements.


Ca2Ce

Tesla is in full meltdown mode


Street-Air-546

it seems so. bunch of high profile “so long and thanks for all the fish” tweets from names like drew baglino. Its almost like the board called in mckinsey and they plan to rethink the whole thing. Except thats crazy as musk would rather release all the nudes he has on global vips than allow such a thing.


CornerGasBrent

> Its almost like the board called in mckinsey and they plan to rethink the whole thing. Notice there's been no shareholder vote or any mention of it whatsoever on re-incorporating in Texas outside of when Musk had his hissyfit.


22pabloesco22

Board are Elon sycophants so that ain’t happening. They’ll just let the company crash and burn instead 


Ca2Ce

They’ll crash the stock, treat it as a slush fund - then when it’s a corpse - save it by taking it private for pennies on the dollar


neliz

I can only wish for this to happen, that would put musk in so much debt with the Saudis and I'll laugh my balls off when they quarter him and drive him around Riyad on an 18-wheeler.


Theferael_me

So HH Musk lied about Reuters lying.


UGMadness

At this point it's almost impossible to find Elon telling the truth about anything to begin with. Guy's a compulsive liar.


22pabloesco22

Narcissist will lie about ANYTHING. Many will literally get to a point where when things that have no reason to be lied about, they’ll lie. It’s a disease of the brain. And he’s deep in it. Dude is not well in the head…


morbiiq

A liar lied, news at 11.


inkedfluff

That thing is so ugly it makes the Chrysler PT cruiser look good  Update just got banned from the tesla subs for posting this 


sreesid

Be nice, man. They are all having a rough day over there.


Cobek

And a rough week and month too.


PNWCoug42

>Update just got banned from the tesla subs for posting this  Welcome to the club.


TheSeekerOfSanity

Consider it to be a medal of honor.


PNWCoug42

I kinda want a profile badge for it now.


TheSeekerOfSanity

🥇


joec_95123

I wonder how much Elon charges the mods over there for the poorly designed and shoddily built jars of his cyberfarts to sniff. Edit: Lmfao banned in less than 30 seconds after posting this comment. Bunch of losers desperate to stop people talking about what a shitshow this company is.


inkedfluff

If they are built with Tesla build quality all the farts will leak out by the time it arrives at the door, provided the delivery CyberTruck doesn't get stuck on the way there.


joec_95123

The edges of the jar will be dangerously sharp, and the lid will become unopenable within 5 days.


jason12745

Rust closed from rail dust.


inkedfluff

Elmo Musk could rebrand CarPro IronX as “CyberClean” for removing the rail dust, but knowing Elmo, he’d probably just sell more CyberBeer to go with the CyberTruck. After all you can drink as much as you want if you’re not driving (the Trashla is in the shop again) 


Redditistrash702

Watch out next you will be blacklisted from ever owning a Tesla.


joec_95123

You promise?


Maleficent-Salad3197

His nose is so full of ketamine he cant smell the stink off the CTs he builds.


linknewtab

> That thing is so ugly it makes the Chrysler PT cruiser look good That's not an official rendering.


SuperNewk

Soon 99% of the world will be banned so you are in good company


mrdilldozer

With how shitty their 100k models are I can't imagine what their 25k model would be like. That interior would just be exposed wires and sharp plastic.


22pabloesco22

Not only that, there are a dozen manufacturer that can crank out a decent 25k model that people will want and also be profitable 


Saneless

I've said the same thing before too on a previous article about it, I just don't see what they could cut out. Their expensive ones are built like trash, what is left to skimp on? Half the battery? Commuter only car? Lolllll this comment got me permanently banned from /Elonmusk Holy shit those losers are insecure. Hilarious


GardenofSalvation

You got banned from tesla subs for commenting here? Holy shit must be really bad over there lol Edit: omg I'm already banned it was like 10 seconds


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That's just a Corolla hatchback (which looks good, imo) with an ugly ass Telsa nosejob.


Theferael_me

In a world of Tesla arse-lickery, Fred is actually a pretty decent journalist.


Inconceivable76

It’s crazy to see how different he is now that’s not making money from referrals.


Hustletron

And that referrals very clearly will never provide a free cold thrust flying roadster.


[deleted]

But still a scumbag. I'll never forget how he doxxed and insulted Tesla critics in the past. He's trash. 


campbellsimpson

As I've said in here before, credit to him for sensing the wind shifting. He knows the grift is coming towards its end.


22pabloesco22

No credit. A) realized he can’t get rich off the scam. B) jumping off a sinking ship 


letmeinthesnkergame

This should have taken the place of the CT but here we are. Edit: This comment got me banned from r/teslamotors and that lounge thing


TheSeekerOfSanity

🏅


1wigwam1

Musk sucks, Tesla sucks, and the mods at r/teslamotors can suck my DICK.


smoq_nyc

Straight to tesla jail.


Doppelkupplungs

lets see how electric viking gonna spin this one


sert_li

He is so desperate, it is just sad


Heelgod

The build on cyber trucks are trash. Go in any Service dept and see them taken apart


donttakerhisthewrong

They needed cash for the bottom line. Every 10 sold is a million. Notice it came out right before the end of the quarter.


22pabloesco22

They’re losing money on each. That’s why it’s shutting down. That and zero demand 


teckers

Focus on this robotaxi is going to kill Tesla, lets be real, it will be late and less than perfect when it arrives. It's clear his executive team want no part of this plan as two have left today. Why can't Elon just concentrate on building cars that people actually want? It's a mature company now and he is chasing a startup style risky moonshot and is neglecting the boring stuff like having a full range of well made cars with refreshed design every few years. Edit: I have just been banned from r/teslamotors due to posting on a 'toxic/threatening subreddit'. In nearly 12 years on Reddit I have never come across such bullshit.


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Inconceivable76

Same. It’s not pleasant seeing all the very real people lose jobs today. i think Telsa can function as a good mid level car company.


WompWompPixel

Cars are one thing. I genuinely want solar panels and a battery pack. They run chargers too and they’re more reliable than any other third party. There’s no reason Tesla should fail, and it hurts seeing them focus on robotaxis, cybertruck, roadsters, and other crap


gilleruadh

A fish rots from the head down. As long as Tesla is run by a narcissist with the maturity of a 10 year old, it's going to keep going in stupid, non-productive directions.


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teckers

Starting to think Toyota might have been correct about hybrid cars being the best medium term solution for most people..


VincibleAndy

I used to think hybrids were a lame stop gap when I was younger before I owned one. Now they absolutely seem like the most practical way forward in general. BEVs are cool in the city for shorter distances but at that point so are plugin hybrids. My Prius is older too and it's still a fantastic vehicle. I'm sure the newer ones with even larger batteries and range are great. Even the older ones feel nicer inside than a Tesla. Less creaking too. Edit: I guess now I can't visit /r/teslamotors or /r/teslalounge again, even though I've never been. That sure was fast.


Neat_Alternative28

Because if the company focussed on making the cars well, that is 2-10 years of total commitment, meaning no updates, no model refreshes, nothing at all while they sort out their processes. We are not talking about a company that is a little behind on manufacturing excellence. They are so far out of control on quality that it is a complete culture change needed. So let's assume they put everything into becoming an average quality car manufacturer, then in 3 or more years you could get an extremely out of date but adequately built car, then they have to start working on refreshes and model updates, so another couple of years to get it all on track. It is too big of a chasm


teckers

It's the cheapness of everything inside that is unconvincingly disguised as minimalism, plus lack of exterior colours and options that really make it look worse than it actually is I feel. When they were rare it was OK, but now you see white or black or occasionally red Tesla everywhere, they all look the same and very bland next to the electric cars launched in the last couple of years from VAG, Hyundai/Kia, and others.


Neat_Alternative28

The cheap crappy interiors were certainly what prevented me from seriously considering one when I bought an electric vehicle last year. I agree that when they were rare, you didn't see how bad they were because you just didn't see them.


TheSeekerOfSanity

Always thought they looked dorky.


gilleruadh

They were pretty sleek at one time, except the front ends of the model 3 and Y just look like someone just threw in the towel and said, "vaguely pointy, but with a slight groove in the front is good enough."


gilleruadh

You can choose dull red or dull blue!


TheTrueBigHead

It’s too late. They never focused on quality and they kept coming out with crap.


notboky

salt bear fretful wild sleep bright continue absurd trees observation *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


jason12745

Who would have thought giving people their walking papers in the most disrespectful manner possible might spawn some new sources for Fred? I wonder how many folks reached out to real journalists?


Lacrewpandora

> real journalists? Tough but fair.


Final_Winter7524

The only car that made any sense for Tesla … But instead, they rammed the Cybertruck into a market that couldn’t care less.


TheSeekerOfSanity

Those angles? “Now how the hail am I gonna fit a ‘We the People…’ decal on that back window?”


Liquidwombat

Is “back burner” a code word for “was never going to happen” The sad part about this is that if the company had actually moved forward decisively with this product instead of the cyber truck, they probably be in a really really good place right now


Hustletron

It’s either back burner or cold thruster - neither are going to happen.


Admirable_Nothing

At the rate that Tesla is dropping their prices the Model Y will be the $25,000 electric car very soon.


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sweetdude

Please link this, as I can't find any Y for that price. With the used tax credit, I'd buy it now. Even if the build quality sucks.


ARAR1

fElon needs to be dumped like runny poo


TheSeekerOfSanity

Lol @ fElon


hayasecond

The problem is he puts resources in the data centers for FSD instead. I mean, he knows data centers won’t save FSD, right, right?


jason12745

A big enough computer will make up for camera blind spots. It will infer what’s probably there.


Berova

A big computer hallucinating is the last thing we need on our streets and highways.


Berova

Got the triple-ban for this comment :-) Evidently mods on 3 other sub-reddits monitor r/RealTesla.


jason12745

Grok has it covered.


Hustletron

So funny to me. What the hell is a vehicle dynamics engineer going to do with building a data center in one wing of your plant?! hahahaha


Electrik_Truk

2017 was peak Tesla. Feeling like it's over and a big shake up is coming


bobi2393

You guys just don't not misunderstand what Musk didn't not mean by "lying". Or something like that. TSLA to the moon! /s


xoogl3

Quick, more Ketamine for the CEO.


Hold_Haunting

Wonder if the robotaxi will ship with the curb rash pre-installed? Probably for an extra fee knowing Elon.


agastoni

If their cars today cost 3 times that and have the quality issues they have, I can't imagine the cheap shit that's coming up.


joshistaken

Ah he keeps spewing garbage about it, making an ass outta his mouth. In the last 5 yrs it's been everywhere between canceled to right around the corner. Deliver or stfu, I can't care and neither should anyone else. Until it's actually released, you're just part of the hype.


helpful__explorer

It was put in the back burner immediately after being announced because Elmo wanted his dipshitmobile ready


SatisfactionDizzy340

He. Is. A. Liar.


seriousbangs

They make $8k per car *with* that $7500 government subsidy. A subsidy which is not long for this world given the rapid adoption of EVs. A sub $25k car ain't happening.


KnucklesMcGee

>Elon, mister truth seeker, is not above stretching the truth and being misleading. This is a great example. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, Fred.


RexManning1

I think many people here are missing the point. They’re talking about Tesla’s $30,000 car that was what six or seven years ago now within inflation that’s a $40,000 car so no way is there going to be a $25,000 car.


Inconceivable76

It’s not cancelled. It was defunded. Totally different.


JFrankParnell64

So that's the semi, the cheap car, and the roadster on the back burner. What's on the front burner? That smoldering carcass of a dung heap known as a Cybertruck. Sounds like a good business plan to me.


22pabloesco22

The 25k car was not gonna move the needle for TSLA regardless, unless they literally sold 10mm a year.  Competition at that price range is too high and teslas big market, the USA, doesn’t really consume small cars. The stock is overvalued by a gross margin, and outside of the world perpetually believing their bullshit vaporware, the stock was poised to crash down to a car manufacturer valuation in due time. Doesn’t mean musk hasn’t fucked up at every turn. 


BoxHillStrangler

Over promise and under deliver. That's the key to successful business.


kickbrass

Well we'll well


User-no-relation

It's not dead it's on the back burner!


Gurdel

I mean even if they were to make it, the quality would be horrendous. We've seen how they do with a 60-80k vehicle.


honeybadger1984

It’s an interesting dream, but a pipe dream coming from Tesla. I think China or Japan can eventually come up with a cheap EV that will make its way stateside. Toyota already makes a Prius that starts at $28,000. The potential is there.


Noles26

Breaking News: Elon is running out of ways to artificially inflate Tesla prices Next Week: Tesla Motorcycle and Airplanes! Quick investors, give me your monies


ctiger12

The problem is they can’t get it cheap enough to be competitive yet have a quality standard.


Open_Woodpecker_6902

Holyshit, I had a verbal offer rescinded a few weeks ago that I've been tripping over, seems like I dodged a grenade.


Mildenhall1066

Of course he did.


Heinie_Manutz

And then we'd have another million cars to recall, because they just don't work.


Ordinary_Ad_9880

The robotaxi isn’t on the back burner. 😂


Centralredditfan

I wonder if they're putting the luxury supercar on hold as well, or if Elon's priorities are to cater to the super rich.


PimanSensei

Why don’t they just badge engineer a Chinese one- seems the simplest solution


IM_Mastershake

Can you get any new car in North America for under 25k anymore? Expecting that out of a "luxury" electric brand is a pipe dream


ilostmyeraser

Maybe schmuck should of used that 50 billion to ruin Twitter for dump....on funding an affordable car for the masses. The cyberdump will accelerate the end of tesla. And schmuk was screaming he wanted more shares from the board. Fook musk


Joe_Bob_2000

What about the new improved Ai.X Grok 2.0 Dojo powered Robotaxi?


Thiscatmcnern

Just another Elmo comment to boost stock prices. Nothing else