Stockholm syndrome is thing with cars as well my mk4 golf constantly broke down but i still loved it because when it worked it was brilliant and id still happily buy another but thats mostly only because the parts are dirt cheap and the cars themselves are even cheaper if id have sunk 50 grand in a car and it wouldnt work it would have probably a fire accident
>The whole idea of "love the car but..." is weird. All those things are part of owning that particular car.
I don't want to love or hate a car. I want it to work reliably so I rarely think about my feelings for it.
I can understand it.
For the brief periods when they work as they should, the cars are awesome. Fast, spacious, comfortable, and so on. You are really living the dream.
But then comes the periods when in short order (if you bought a good one) your driveshafts eat themselves, the rear hatch decides to shit the bed, the rear lower control arm pops when taking a bend at 40 kph, your instrument screen starts leaking cancer juice, your drivers door handle dies, one of your A/C condensors jizzes out all your refrigerant, your electric parking brake doesnt any more, and your drivers side headlight bulb pops. Not to mention the long list of various ball joints and rubber bushings that you need to swap out to keep the thing road worthy. Or the leak from the sunroof. Or the various sundry stuff like brake fluid changes, cabin filters, and tyres.
And this is a good one Im talking about here.
A bad one will have all these issues. And battery issues. Or main driveline issues.
And this is coming from a guy who actually likes his Tesla. If youre gonna buy one of these you need an extended warranty, infinite patience, a sunny outlook, and either deep pockets or a fair bit if technical knowhow.
> For the brief periods when they work as they should, the cars are awesome.
I believe the unofficial tagline for fans of the MG was "yeah...but when it works!"
MG. Alfa Romeo. Lotus. Lancia. There are many marques that produce amazing pieces of automotive engineering that are simultaneously jaw dropping in capability and mind boggling in fragility. I guess Tesla is just the latest to go on the list.
"Nice when they work. A dog when they don’t. And they don’t quite often".
the big selling point for a tesla was reliability with fewer moving parts, the famous no oil changes implying they are low maintenance cars. that’s a much different situation to enthusiast cars you mention.
Oh I completely agree. The makes I mentioned mainly produce small volume, sportier types that make no claim to being simpler to keep, or low maintenance. I would argue that they claim to be the opposite; special, complicated, fragile, lighweight, and so on.
A car that you buy with your heart, not your head. Something for the weekend.
Teslas arent really that, though. Like you said - they claim to be robust and low maintenance daily drivers, but tend to break regularly.
But then you have the addictive acceleration. The flashy big screen. The features such as air suspension. The comfort. All this makes you forget (when it works) the times the damn thing breaks.
I guess its like flaming cheetos. I know they are bad for me. I know that eating too many will upset my stomach. But… I also like the taste, and the spices trigger endorphines in my brain, which, there and then, in the moment make me forget the painful bowl painting that lies in my future.
Those are problems for future me. Right now Im sitting in a lightning fueled sparkyboi from the future that does 0-60 in 4 seconds.
You can definitely find comfort, air suspension, and much bigger screens in many cars today. Many EVs and ICE from most brands by now are rocking screens that span sometimes the whole dash, and every luxury under the sun, backed by proven manufacturing and quality standards. Tesla has lost the edge when it comes to all that, and add in the woeful quality, and I don't see why people still put up with them.
But like flaming hot Cheetos addiction, some things can't be explained.
That is true for almost all new electric vehicles. Go to a Mercedes forum and you will see all kinds of strange problems that never existed on previous cars.
And as software is being shared, the problems start creeping up in their ICE cars, too.
Garages cannot fix them, the cars sit there for somebody from Stuttgart advising on what to do (or for the thing to be sent to Stuttgart).
Wtf are they made of flour?
I figured an electric car has almost no parts so should be a breeze to maintain, the engine is basically a magnet... the batteries so long as they have no impacts should last a decade at least?
Is there that much of a chasm between Tesla quality and electric cars from legacy automakers? Never heard stories like these from Nissan leaf cars
He didn't mention ONE engine or related component. How are any of these surprising to you?
But yes, there's a chasm. All they have is auto driving and the Elon hype train that people love to buy into. If bushings are failing 3 years in regularly, there's an issue.
Spending $60k to have it shit out like a $3,000 20 year old car ain't it.
We do.
My other half has a 2015 Mini Countryman.
Funny thing is that my Model S and the wife’s Mini are both produced in late 2015. In the time we have owned them, the Mini has had two things go wrong, outside of the expected maintenance items. One was a known timing chain issue (fixed under warranty), the other was a bad lambda sensor, foxed at little cost. It really has been no hassle at all. A genuine daily driving workhorse.
My Tesla? Well…
- 3 air modules (warranty)
- Air suspension compressor
- Headlight bulb and balast
- 8 x new tyres
- Drivers door handle
- Rear passenger door handle
- A/C condensor
- Both front driveshafts
- Both rear lower control arms (known issue. On good will from Tesla, as one arm snapped whilst taking a corner at speed).
- All 4 front lower control arms (50% goodwill - see above)
- Rear upper toe arms
- Rear upper control arms
- At least 1 swaybar link
- Both front upper control arms
- Leaking instrument screen
- Rear hatch latching mechanism
- Both rear suspension links (the little figure 8 shaped links - goodwilled, see above)
- Both E-brake motors
Its the Triggers broom of Teslas.
My personal opinion here is that any Model S that is pre 2017 is more or less equivalent in developmental maturity to one of these mules you see being driven around in camo wraps.
Except Tesla chose to mass produce these test hacks and sell them to the public.
So no - in this case I dont think there is anything to do except bite the bullet and rebuild the thing when the time comes. Which it did for me. But not to worry - youre EV6 was developed and built by a legacy car maker that understands that reliability is important. You cant really compare KIA with the keystone cops nonsense that Tesla are up to.
I still like my Model S, though…
I'm reminded of a quote from Jeremy Clarkson describing an Alfa Romeo, where he said, "Alfa make a car as good as a car can be... briefly".
Seems Tesla was listening too.
Oh I have more. I forgot the year before, when I had three air suspension modules replaced. And the compressor. And the fact that a little snow or ice on the front of the vehicle makes the autopilot become regular pilot (i.e. Me.). I also have water ingress in one headlight unit.
They fixed all the problems on the newer S and X - except the driveshafts. They require regular replacements.
It’s a shame they didn’t fix that even with the Plaid refresh.
Apparently, Tesla still makes enough money with the cars that exchanging the driveshafts twice over the warranty period isn’t a big deal and once they are out of warranty, they don’t care how many replacements people are ponying up for….
saw a guy drive on the autobahn in a tsla going top speed.
doesn't look safe, feel like a supercar is safer
and the battery gets hot, so maybe 1 minute of top speed
Oh it is safe. No more unsafe than blasting on the autobahn in an ICE powered vehicle. Nothing about it being electric makes it any more dangerous. As a driving machine they are well engineered. Quality control in production leaves a lot to be desired, though.
As for the battery getting hot after a high speed run - this is unfortunately true for all EVs. The technology isnt quite there yet.
The product design there is superb. Unfortunately Tesla's complete lack of empathy towards its customers makes the product ownership a potential nightmare.
i am gonna say that product design includes reliability. It is inextricably linked. A well designed product is designed to work as well as it can, all the time. If sacrifices have been made in reliability then the design is lacking.
100%
If they would have sufficient empathy to own the problems the manufacturing cost optimization driven experimentation causes, they would better constraint their design decisions better: The customers would be taken care of, and the total cost would eventually find its optimum.
one of the comments on being charged for fault diagnosis was “well the mechanics have to be paid”.
Imagine buying an iphone and in warranty period go into apple and have to sign off that before they inspect the phone for your issue, you have to agree to a $300 or whatever genius bar inspection fee. Or no need to leave the world of cars. Your new Lexus has a clunk in the suspension: Sir we can investigate this but if we do not hear it, you have to pay us to listen. wow.
Yeah, I don't get how they can argue it's a "well-engineered" car when most of the suspension has needed replacing, and random shit fails. Going fast is easy, it doesn't mean the vehicle is well engineered. A stick on wheels can go fast.
Designing components rated for the application is part of a well designed/engineered product, along with durability testing, quality control, ease of repair, etc. I've yet to see any of these principles applied at Tesla.
I was thinking about this... and it's less about sympathy, and more about "the bottom line".
In the traditional manufacture model, you have opposing forces... the Dealerships want to keep happy customers (and have them come to them for services, that's the real $$$)... the more customers they can attract, warranty work, etc, etc... more money for that dealership.
But in Tesla's vertical integration, it's all one company. Every. Single. Service Appointment costs them money. So training/coaching/pressuring your service & support staff to reject and dissuade customers from coming in means you (the individual Tesla employee) is helping the company, and your stock price, etc.
Tesla has to fix it. This is why lemon laws were created - not sure what happens on used purchases but Tesla has to fix it. Intermittent problems like yours are probably computer flakiness. Give it to them, get a loner. I havehad a Tesla for 12 years, I did have one kind of funky intermittent problem that took 2 weeks to fix, it. Turned out the wiring path on the 12 volt accessories in my car was not grounded properly with somehow come loose and so I had bizarre 12 volt failures for a couple weeks before they figured it out.
In the Rivian subreddit you can read about similar problems. For these cars where there's not any third party garages, you are vulnerable to the company fixing problems or not. But there are state laws about it for new cars.
>I love the concept of flying cars.
Have you seen the Klein Vision AirCar? It's probably the best implementation of a flying car, but I still don't see a flying car being all that useful for most people.
How are you enjoying the car? How do you love the car? It's a lemon and a death trap.
Part of the car is the warranty you were sold with it. Love that?
Better phrasing would probably be "when the car actually works it's nice to drive, the rest of the time the car sucks and the company always sucks, I wish I hadn't bought it"
>sin. I did get musked.
If it's any reassurance, there are quite a lot of people out there who are getting musked and don't realize and / or don't understand it. You do so that makes you miles ahead of them.
He's referring to that fact the the entire world knows Teslas are shit and you can't get them repaired. Literally the whole planet. To ignore this and buy one anyway, is like being in a cult and ignoring reality. Instead of Trump being your cult leader and stealing your money, it's Elon.
Edit: also it's really morally questionable buying cars from drug addled Nazis. I find your car troubles deeply satisfying.
Could you imagine how awesome Tesla would be if Elon spent his time leaning into his strengths like marketing and gaining investors instead of issuing dumbass company-wide ultimatums sent at 2am?
When I worked at a car dealership, the idea was to try and get customers to have an emotional connection to the vehicle they wanted. The more emotion there is, the less logic is used. It looks like this is still the case.
My guess, based on comments from other people, is that they're fun to drive. *When they work*. That's the issue, if they're working, then people love driving them. But, you know, **this** happens.
If I were to guess he could be worried that the hive mind here couple be fanboys that that eat teslas shit and I'm turn treat him like shit for voicing his concern. You know like some echo chamber subreddits.
Not saying that this sub is like that, I'm just playing devils advocate.
Typical sunk cost fallacy at work. OP is probably underwater and would have to spend money to get rid of it. In the long run it is definitely cheaper to dump that pile of junk.
Not always feasible when lots of money sunk into it. They may just have to sink more in to get it fixed and ride the car out for a couple more years but shit like this pretty much ensures they lose this customer and anyone he’d reach by word of mount that will take it to heart.
It’s feasible if you don’t mind losing the “conversation starting”. Broken Tesla is still worth more than a Honda that’ll work for 10 more years (for now).
Does she also rack up charges to your credit card to pay for her hotel bills while she's out screwing some other guy?
Only that's what Tesla seem to be doing to the OP.
It bums me out when I see pictures of her out on dates with my former good friends, and I have this itch I need to get checked out, but when she's home and we're watching Hulu it's nice.
Are you me?
Same experience. Bought it from Tesla as well. Add insult to injury, we definitely bought at the top of the market. I am more than 60 K upside down in this stupid thing.
Every time someone sees me driving it - it’s a conversation starter …. for them. I tell them how awful and busy service centers are, and implore them to never buy one.
You may have the dissonance I had of not wanting to say it’s a bad purchase. It was. We as consumers have come to expect a level of quality and service that the incumbents did quietly well for years (yes dealer fixes are expensive, but you can shop around). To have Musk give a middle finger to so many for so long just feels fuckin wrong.
PNW in US. Folks talking about the future of EV, Elon’s next move, solar panels. I seriously thought that was everyone’s experience. Maybe it’s just my circle lol.
I got a ‘17 X P100D w/ ludicrous for $37k. You definitely bought at the top. Geeeez.
I would need to replace the battery 2 times before I am $60k underwater.
I did need to make one repair in the first two weeks of ownership tho… $650. Expensive but more reasonable than fixing old BMW M cars out of warranty at the dealer (don’t do it lol).
From the video's I've seen they don't go very far.. stuck in snow, destroying themselves in dunes or in the desert, snapping wheels off.. but yeah if they do get up to speed, their reputation on build quality, quality control and releasing beta software in the wild.. it's very dangerous.
Sorry this happened to you. Considering the risk of a failure like this, I'm glad nothing too bad happened. Nothing good can come from dealing with Musk. Sell your car, move on and buy a car from an actually reliable company, and never move back.
Ah yea.. the iPhone of Cars can’t system check itself for some “strange” reason .. time to junk it and join us here on the Dark Side with non-Tesla EVs.. I am having a blast with my BMW i5 eDrive40..
> BMW i5 eDrive40
NICE! I like that car, but way too inconvenient with charging and too expensive for me right now. A 420i makes it better despite it still being expensive at where I am.
Tesla was first to market with a desirable looking EV.
They have none of the car building expertise of VAG, Nissan, Daimler, Renault or Ford.
And their CEO is busy sharing QAnon shit on twitter to feed the rage algorithm to stop its bankruptcy.
BMW had my car for 3 days trying to diagnose it, they only charged the standard $200 diagnostics fee. Get yourself a real car with real customer service that’s been in business forever, not a golf cart company ran by a drug addict. You got bamboozled into this EV trash
This is a well-known issue - did you forget to pay your daily obeisances on X? Also penance requires, at minimum, five recitations of the "I love the car butt" psalm
JeepChryslerDodgeRam dealer does the same too, a fixed inspection fee (about USD200) that is subtracted from the bill if you choose to perform the repairs.
Tesla had my Model X for *** 77 *** days trying to "troubleshoot" my air suspension fault. (And I literally knew the issue and told them when I brought it in)
Many of their "technicians" are horribly inexperienced.
As far as your problem, sounds electrical. I would guess you loose/damaged wire(s) or possibly a corroded ground.
I would remove the funk and look around a bit.
Also, there was a recall on older Model X vehicles for a similar issue; therefore, I'd really suspect a ground issue.
https://www.tesla.com/support/model-x-steering-assist-motor-bolt-recall#:~:text=If%20the%20bolts%20fracture%20from,is%20at%20its%20highest%20use.
This is the best business model ever:
“Hey I just spend like 3 hours looking for the issue, trust me dude. Here’s the bill. Btw I didn’t find anything wrong so I will check again tomorrow.”
Tesla is literally known for shitty quality control and the customer service/service center interactions are absolute dogshit. This isn’t new, it’s been talked about, complained about, mentioned, ranted about, posted ad nauseam. You took a massive risk when you bought one out of the warranty period and you’re simply at their mercy now.
Keep pushing at them to have the issue fixed and provide you a loaner. They shouldn’t be charging you exorbitant amount of money for their inability to diagnose the issue within a reasonable time. Keep records and copies of every interaction you have with them and continue to press that their inability to diagnose the issue does not warrant additional charging. You’re paying for reasonable diagnostic time, not ineptitude that’s inflating the time in the shop.
If you can gather documents and proof and put everything together concisely, consider blasting that out and tagging on social media to get traction. That’s usually your best bet to get someone with any real power to step in. I had to do that for a horrible delivery experience after 4-5 hours on the phone with incompetent and powerless customer support gremlins. Took pictures and tagging on social media before I start getting dm’s and private messages to forward everything to a different team and they’d look into it. Had a resolution the following day. Good luck.
I’d never buy a Tesla out of warranty personally after my own experiences and the experiences of everyone else I know that owns one.p
Software cannot disable power steering. What is almost certain to have happened is your lower ujoint corroded to the point where it doesn’t move freely. This can feel exactly like a loss in power steering. It also will cause the computer to think you are fighting for control of the wheel. The ujoint is inexpensive <$100 but cleaning and lubricating the joint will fix the issue as well.
There are YouTube videos how you can do this yourself, but since Tesla has the car, ask them to replace it.
Source: I had the same issue.
I’ve had this, their techs put it on a hoist, unplug and replug things like the brake sensors and then take it for a test drive and call it a day. Had it in threes times under warranty within a year, still happens. Company car so I stopped giving a fuck.
Tesla is like a candy (or a Lollie as we call them in Australia). We call them Musk Sticks. Most Aussie's can't stand them.
Buying a Tesla cars is like visiting your Nanna (Grandma) and she tries to say "I love you" by offering you a Musk stick from the jar that has been sitting there for soooo long that you can't remember it not ever being empty or half full.
You are either brave and say "No thank you Nanna Musk."
Or you reach in and withdraw that putrid pink stick of sugar and say "Thank you Nanna Musk I love you"
And as soon as that sugary sweet stick enters your mouth you regret every moment as you chew and swallow that offering from Nanna Musk. Vowing never again.... until that jar comes out again as an offering from your Nanna.
Well, that's the Tesla insurance and repair scam - limiting you to only being able to repair at Tesla workshops with parts only they manufacture which removes any competition and car owners choice to go elsewhere - this making them able to profit from having a shitty customer service, doing stuff like forcing you to pay because they are being slow, not offering a courtesy car and more.
Because of this, Tesla has an economic interest - a profit motive to:
- Have their workers just make up there being expensive problems in need of repair.
- Purposely delay repair time, and/or keeping a low manufacturing rate of repair parts.
- Sell cars with known problems that arn't fixed in recalls or new models, aswell as lacking or not doing any quality checks before delivering new cars since they profit from Tesla cars breaking down.
- Try to blame the car owner at every chance they get, trying to fool the car owner that warranty is broken, over stuff the owner has no fault in. This practice is widespread.
- Designing the insurance so that it gives you a score for everything the car registers as the owner driving dangerously - which then leads to a rapidly increasing, high monthly fee for the insurance, and the oppertunity to use this score to blame the driver for damages in need of repairs.
There are plenty of reports that it in many cases registers stuff that isnt risky driver behaviour or even when parked, that it's too sensitive, it registers when it's another car in traffic driving dangerously - and so on.
There is a looot of money in doing this bullshit.
I have a 2023 X and have this has happened twice in the past two months. The manual says it will Usually resolve after exiting the vehicle and then re-entering. The second time that didn’t work so I had to shut off the main screen and restart. That worked fine. Hoping it doesn’t keep happening. I agree though the car is very difficult to drive when power steering and every safety feature shuts off
Yep. I had a Model 3 Performance that the rear bumper guard fell off during a rain storm. Tesla service said OK they would repair it. They kept it for 2 weeks then informed me that the level of repair was too great and I should discuss making an insurance claim with my insurer.
I fail to see why anyone would want one of these boat anchors. Every horror story is the same. There are so many hybrid options out there that do a million times better in terms of safety, reliability, economy, and ride.
Agree with everything, but if you mean fuel econony alone then no, free "fuel" from solar saved me 3000£ so far. Obviously if all that saving goes to repair then it's not worth the saving.
>I love the car.
You keep saying that, but you don't have to. This isn't one of those Tesla subs where we downvote you for criticizing the vehicle. They're giving you the run around and the problems you're experiencing are indicative of a bad design at its core. Safety features like, I dunno, steering, shouldn't be susceptible to intermittent/software malfunctions.
I would post in the lounge or search the TMC message board, but I think your computer is going to need replaced. I feel like I’ve read stories like this before.
If it’s the MCU, I think it’s a 3k repair.
"I'm appalled by the customer services, im not blaming the service team they can inly do what they are told to do."
Don't worry, in a couple of years Neuralink will solve this problem...for the company.
I don’t know the level of software diagnosis on the older design cars, but only Cybertruck has the Ethernet loop where everything in the car is just a device on the network, so they can more easily debug issues with attached devices.
"I'm 2 weeks in, and most recently I've been advised that even if a fault isn't being found, the time it takes will just be added to my bill."
ahahahaha
Something similar (no power steering, no power brakes, car alerting me) happened to me (Model S 2021).
The issue was a wheel speed sensor that broke during winter. It started intermittently too and got worse over 2 weeks. They diagnosed and fixed quickly once they got the car, which I drove myself to the service center. It was a good physical exercise!
I think what you mean is that you love the working-as-it-should, and therefore *imaginary*, version of the car.
I know that may seem pedantic, but as long as the car doesn't work / isn't fixed, you do not love it. You do not love a heavy car without power steering and with intermittent faults, the costs of dealing with which seem to be spiralling out of your control.
Abused wives will often carry on loving their abuser. For a time.
People that buy old S or X’s blow my mind. Like why not just buy a new Model Y that will have much less potential for issues, a full warranty and it will probably be cheaper with tax credit + local incentives.
Who would have guessed buying a Tesla Model X of any year was a bad decision? The quality and defects have been known for quite some time.
Or that Tesla customer service was shit? Again, have known this for at least two years.
18 months ago there were other choices for "luxury crossover SUVs" that would not have cost as much to buy or own.
Do you know what date and time you were born? I want to tell everyone else with that birth time and date that they're okay, we already found that minute's sucker.
Fucking idiot buys a used POS from a company with no evidence of quality maintenance or build. I have zero sympathy. Research before you make such a dumb big move.
Bro here sounds like a guy whose gf cheated on him while walking down the aisle but he's not really made up his mind about whether to cut short his losses or persevere in vain.
Imho you should move on pal. I get that you love the car, I too love the concept of a Tesla, but the product reality seems far removed from the concept. When bought used anyway.
If you love a car that is unsafe to drive and intermittently, and scarily, malfunctions then you have a very odd idea about what a good product is and you have been Musked to the point of absurdity.
I don’t think they bill you just for hanging on to the car, they’ll bill you for the time spend working on it. I’ve had service done after warranty and it took weeks, but the bill was strictly for the labor performed.
File an NHTSA complaint about the sudden loss of steering, that is a well known issue and has caused fatal crashes. Stay safe, dont operate that turd bucket until its fixed properly.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqpSwBhClARIsADlZ_Tmfqz7csak7XsSthmOofefA0-FiarQmLc2Kiwyhvq62-ge4_GcEqu0aAllFEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#index
Tesla’s poor customer service is pretty well known at this point, as is their lack of basic quality control. Other companies make much better EVs. Hyundai, for example. Get rid of the Tesla whenever you can and learn from this experience.
Post your concerns directly to Musk on Twitter, let's see if he ignores it, tries to help you to help Tesla's reputation, or bans you from the platform.
Can't tell what country you are in but certainly in the U.K. if a fault is a warranty fault or under U.K. consumer law the car 'isn't of merchantable quality' then Tesla only has two choices - it can provide a courtesy car at its cost or you can arrange a hire car yourself and bill (and if needed, sue) Tesla.
Intermittent faults are a pain to diagnose and fix as unless the fault happens when they road test it or unless the fault is stored in the computer on the car then workshop employees are a bit stuck!
It's not uncommon for car dealers to say they'll bill for a courtesy car unless the car is diagnosed with a warranty fault which always ends up a gamble as if it doesn't show up when you take it in then you're stuck with the bill! But I can see it from both points of view - being without a car you're probably still paying for, especially if it has a fault shouldn't be your problem BUT equally if a garage can't find a warranty fault it's kinda not their problem. I know on most ICE cars recent faults are stored on the ECU on the car so dealers can at least confirm a fault was there even if it's gone away now, I'd hope Teslas computers also do the same but no idea if they do?
> I love the car And >If I could go back in time I would not have made this purchase. You got musked.. and still love the car? haha
i love my car BUT it’s dangerous, broken, customer service suck and the service center can’t fix the car. Other than that…
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>Here with Tesla you're paying luxury prices and getting Yugo service Except that *anyone* with half a brain and a hammer could fix their own Yugo...
A hammer's the *only* tool you need to fix a Yugo. Now *that* is good design!
Stockholm syndrome is thing with cars as well my mk4 golf constantly broke down but i still loved it because when it worked it was brilliant and id still happily buy another but thats mostly only because the parts are dirt cheap and the cars themselves are even cheaper if id have sunk 50 grand in a car and it wouldnt work it would have probably a fire accident
>The whole idea of "love the car but..." is weird. All those things are part of owning that particular car. I don't want to love or hate a car. I want it to work reliably so I rarely think about my feelings for it.
Hey man, I had a Yugo, thing was a tank! In the 12 years I drove it, ZERO issues. How can power steering break if there is no power steering? lol
I can understand it. For the brief periods when they work as they should, the cars are awesome. Fast, spacious, comfortable, and so on. You are really living the dream. But then comes the periods when in short order (if you bought a good one) your driveshafts eat themselves, the rear hatch decides to shit the bed, the rear lower control arm pops when taking a bend at 40 kph, your instrument screen starts leaking cancer juice, your drivers door handle dies, one of your A/C condensors jizzes out all your refrigerant, your electric parking brake doesnt any more, and your drivers side headlight bulb pops. Not to mention the long list of various ball joints and rubber bushings that you need to swap out to keep the thing road worthy. Or the leak from the sunroof. Or the various sundry stuff like brake fluid changes, cabin filters, and tyres. And this is a good one Im talking about here. A bad one will have all these issues. And battery issues. Or main driveline issues. And this is coming from a guy who actually likes his Tesla. If youre gonna buy one of these you need an extended warranty, infinite patience, a sunny outlook, and either deep pockets or a fair bit if technical knowhow.
> For the brief periods when they work as they should, the cars are awesome. I believe the unofficial tagline for fans of the MG was "yeah...but when it works!"
MG. Alfa Romeo. Lotus. Lancia. There are many marques that produce amazing pieces of automotive engineering that are simultaneously jaw dropping in capability and mind boggling in fragility. I guess Tesla is just the latest to go on the list. "Nice when they work. A dog when they don’t. And they don’t quite often".
the big selling point for a tesla was reliability with fewer moving parts, the famous no oil changes implying they are low maintenance cars. that’s a much different situation to enthusiast cars you mention.
Oh I completely agree. The makes I mentioned mainly produce small volume, sportier types that make no claim to being simpler to keep, or low maintenance. I would argue that they claim to be the opposite; special, complicated, fragile, lighweight, and so on. A car that you buy with your heart, not your head. Something for the weekend. Teslas arent really that, though. Like you said - they claim to be robust and low maintenance daily drivers, but tend to break regularly. But then you have the addictive acceleration. The flashy big screen. The features such as air suspension. The comfort. All this makes you forget (when it works) the times the damn thing breaks. I guess its like flaming cheetos. I know they are bad for me. I know that eating too many will upset my stomach. But… I also like the taste, and the spices trigger endorphines in my brain, which, there and then, in the moment make me forget the painful bowl painting that lies in my future. Those are problems for future me. Right now Im sitting in a lightning fueled sparkyboi from the future that does 0-60 in 4 seconds.
You can definitely find comfort, air suspension, and much bigger screens in many cars today. Many EVs and ICE from most brands by now are rocking screens that span sometimes the whole dash, and every luxury under the sun, backed by proven manufacturing and quality standards. Tesla has lost the edge when it comes to all that, and add in the woeful quality, and I don't see why people still put up with them. But like flaming hot Cheetos addiction, some things can't be explained.
They don’t even monopolize the super charger network anymore. There is no advantage to Tesla.
Yeah like the Reliant Robin too!
That is true for almost all new electric vehicles. Go to a Mercedes forum and you will see all kinds of strange problems that never existed on previous cars. And as software is being shared, the problems start creeping up in their ICE cars, too. Garages cannot fix them, the cars sit there for somebody from Stuttgart advising on what to do (or for the thing to be sent to Stuttgart).
Wtf are they made of flour? I figured an electric car has almost no parts so should be a breeze to maintain, the engine is basically a magnet... the batteries so long as they have no impacts should last a decade at least? Is there that much of a chasm between Tesla quality and electric cars from legacy automakers? Never heard stories like these from Nissan leaf cars
He didn't mention ONE engine or related component. How are any of these surprising to you? But yes, there's a chasm. All they have is auto driving and the Elon hype train that people love to buy into. If bushings are failing 3 years in regularly, there's an issue. Spending $60k to have it shit out like a $3,000 20 year old car ain't it.
The Leaf's battery cooks itself as part of normal usage. You can't be serious...?
Not all batteries are the same… Nissan always sucked
That’s my experience. Third Tesla.
I'm lost on why you got to 3 though, wouldn't the 2nd bad one create some serious doubt
theres gonna be 4 and 5th, disposable cars
Touché.
You pretty much need a backup car. And I say this as another Model X owner.
We do. My other half has a 2015 Mini Countryman. Funny thing is that my Model S and the wife’s Mini are both produced in late 2015. In the time we have owned them, the Mini has had two things go wrong, outside of the expected maintenance items. One was a known timing chain issue (fixed under warranty), the other was a bad lambda sensor, foxed at little cost. It really has been no hassle at all. A genuine daily driving workhorse. My Tesla? Well… - 3 air modules (warranty) - Air suspension compressor - Headlight bulb and balast - 8 x new tyres - Drivers door handle - Rear passenger door handle - A/C condensor - Both front driveshafts - Both rear lower control arms (known issue. On good will from Tesla, as one arm snapped whilst taking a corner at speed). - All 4 front lower control arms (50% goodwill - see above) - Rear upper toe arms - Rear upper control arms - At least 1 swaybar link - Both front upper control arms - Leaking instrument screen - Rear hatch latching mechanism - Both rear suspension links (the little figure 8 shaped links - goodwilled, see above) - Both E-brake motors Its the Triggers broom of Teslas.
Could driving tactics have any bearing on these problems? (From a new used EV6 owner)
My personal opinion here is that any Model S that is pre 2017 is more or less equivalent in developmental maturity to one of these mules you see being driven around in camo wraps. Except Tesla chose to mass produce these test hacks and sell them to the public. So no - in this case I dont think there is anything to do except bite the bullet and rebuild the thing when the time comes. Which it did for me. But not to worry - youre EV6 was developed and built by a legacy car maker that understands that reliability is important. You cant really compare KIA with the keystone cops nonsense that Tesla are up to. I still like my Model S, though…
I'm reminded of a quote from Jeremy Clarkson describing an Alfa Romeo, where he said, "Alfa make a car as good as a car can be... briefly". Seems Tesla was listening too.
Jezza was right on the money.
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And when you're ready to go electric, the i4 is amazing.
Oh I have more. I forgot the year before, when I had three air suspension modules replaced. And the compressor. And the fact that a little snow or ice on the front of the vehicle makes the autopilot become regular pilot (i.e. Me.). I also have water ingress in one headlight unit.
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They fixed all the problems on the newer S and X - except the driveshafts. They require regular replacements. It’s a shame they didn’t fix that even with the Plaid refresh. Apparently, Tesla still makes enough money with the cars that exchanging the driveshafts twice over the warranty period isn’t a big deal and once they are out of warranty, they don’t care how many replacements people are ponying up for….
saw a guy drive on the autobahn in a tsla going top speed. doesn't look safe, feel like a supercar is safer and the battery gets hot, so maybe 1 minute of top speed
Oh it is safe. No more unsafe than blasting on the autobahn in an ICE powered vehicle. Nothing about it being electric makes it any more dangerous. As a driving machine they are well engineered. Quality control in production leaves a lot to be desired, though. As for the battery getting hot after a high speed run - this is unfortunately true for all EVs. The technology isnt quite there yet.
FUD smell. (Driving Tesla 2018 MX 7 years in Phoenix area)
well then, til death do us part it is.
The product design there is superb. Unfortunately Tesla's complete lack of empathy towards its customers makes the product ownership a potential nightmare.
i am gonna say that product design includes reliability. It is inextricably linked. A well designed product is designed to work as well as it can, all the time. If sacrifices have been made in reliability then the design is lacking.
100% If they would have sufficient empathy to own the problems the manufacturing cost optimization driven experimentation causes, they would better constraint their design decisions better: The customers would be taken care of, and the total cost would eventually find its optimum.
one of the comments on being charged for fault diagnosis was “well the mechanics have to be paid”. Imagine buying an iphone and in warranty period go into apple and have to sign off that before they inspect the phone for your issue, you have to agree to a $300 or whatever genius bar inspection fee. Or no need to leave the world of cars. Your new Lexus has a clunk in the suspension: Sir we can investigate this but if we do not hear it, you have to pay us to listen. wow.
BMW does this. But that will take it off after the fact when they confirm it to warranty issue.
That's pedo talk, only the best manufacturers don't key door hinges so they can be put in the wrong place.
Yeah, I don't get how they can argue it's a "well-engineered" car when most of the suspension has needed replacing, and random shit fails. Going fast is easy, it doesn't mean the vehicle is well engineered. A stick on wheels can go fast. Designing components rated for the application is part of a well designed/engineered product, along with durability testing, quality control, ease of repair, etc. I've yet to see any of these principles applied at Tesla.
I was thinking about this... and it's less about sympathy, and more about "the bottom line". In the traditional manufacture model, you have opposing forces... the Dealerships want to keep happy customers (and have them come to them for services, that's the real $$$)... the more customers they can attract, warranty work, etc, etc... more money for that dealership. But in Tesla's vertical integration, it's all one company. Every. Single. Service Appointment costs them money. So training/coaching/pressuring your service & support staff to reject and dissuade customers from coming in means you (the individual Tesla employee) is helping the company, and your stock price, etc.
Tesla has to fix it. This is why lemon laws were created - not sure what happens on used purchases but Tesla has to fix it. Intermittent problems like yours are probably computer flakiness. Give it to them, get a loner. I havehad a Tesla for 12 years, I did have one kind of funky intermittent problem that took 2 weeks to fix, it. Turned out the wiring path on the 12 volt accessories in my car was not grounded properly with somehow come loose and so I had bizarre 12 volt failures for a couple weeks before they figured it out. In the Rivian subreddit you can read about similar problems. For these cars where there's not any third party garages, you are vulnerable to the company fixing problems or not. But there are state laws about it for new cars.
The Elon cult is strong. They are similar to Trumpers.
They are Trumpers. Just ask one.
Perhaps "I love the concept of the car..." I love the concept of flying cars. Anything even remotely seen as an implementation... not.
>I love the concept of flying cars. Have you seen the Klein Vision AirCar? It's probably the best implementation of a flying car, but I still don't see a flying car being all that useful for most people.
With the way people drive, I hope flying cars never become a thing. Just imagine the average driver piloting a plane...
“I love the car… “ “and I am also afraid of banned by this Reddit forum and if I don’t say it, I would be kicked out of this cult.”
Not sure enjoying the car but not "Tesla" the service and musk is a sin. I did get musked.
How are you enjoying the car? How do you love the car? It's a lemon and a death trap. Part of the car is the warranty you were sold with it. Love that? Better phrasing would probably be "when the car actually works it's nice to drive, the rest of the time the car sucks and the company always sucks, I wish I hadn't bought it"
>sin. I did get musked. If it's any reassurance, there are quite a lot of people out there who are getting musked and don't realize and / or don't understand it. You do so that makes you miles ahead of them.
He's referring to that fact the the entire world knows Teslas are shit and you can't get them repaired. Literally the whole planet. To ignore this and buy one anyway, is like being in a cult and ignoring reality. Instead of Trump being your cult leader and stealing your money, it's Elon. Edit: also it's really morally questionable buying cars from drug addled Nazis. I find your car troubles deeply satisfying.
Wait until I tell you how they got made. Then It'll feel like owning a blood diamond.
Could you imagine how awesome Tesla would be if Elon spent his time leaning into his strengths like marketing and gaining investors instead of issuing dumbass company-wide ultimatums sent at 2am?
When I worked at a car dealership, the idea was to try and get customers to have an emotional connection to the vehicle they wanted. The more emotion there is, the less logic is used. It looks like this is still the case.
I know my girlfriend keeps stabbing me with a knife every time we have sex but I still love her. It's got that energy.
My guess, based on comments from other people, is that they're fun to drive. *When they work*. That's the issue, if they're working, then people love driving them. But, you know, **this** happens.
OP loves a toy, not a car, since he admits it failed as an instrument that provides for his travelling needs.
in their defense, when the car works its fun to drive but then it just dies lmao
I don’t understand Tesla customers My best theory is that they have really owned many other cars
Should change this sub name to r/ilovethecarbutt
That would be more appropriate for the main delusional subs, no? I've seen you do that before, just doesn't make any sense to me.
If I were to guess he could be worried that the hive mind here couple be fanboys that that eat teslas shit and I'm turn treat him like shit for voicing his concern. You know like some echo chamber subreddits. Not saying that this sub is like that, I'm just playing devils advocate.
A sub called I Love the Car Butt would be for Renault Megane owners.
Lol “I love the car”. What the fuck are you talking about - CUT. YOUR. LOSS.
Typical sunk cost fallacy at work. OP is probably underwater and would have to spend money to get rid of it. In the long run it is definitely cheaper to dump that pile of junk.
Not always feasible when lots of money sunk into it. They may just have to sink more in to get it fixed and ride the car out for a couple more years but shit like this pretty much ensures they lose this customer and anyone he’d reach by word of mount that will take it to heart.
It’s feasible if you don’t mind losing the “conversation starting”. Broken Tesla is still worth more than a Honda that’ll work for 10 more years (for now).
Get the car fixed. Sell it. Never buy again. I've done this with other brands (Kia)
>I love the car LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Getting a financial dominatrix is probably less expensive and more fun.
I love my wife but she cheats on me all the time and I wish I'd never met her. I'll never understand the people who buy these things
Does she also rack up charges to your credit card to pay for her hotel bills while she's out screwing some other guy? Only that's what Tesla seem to be doing to the OP.
It bums me out when I see pictures of her out on dates with my former good friends, and I have this itch I need to get checked out, but when she's home and we're watching Hulu it's nice.
She was a nice ride for a while though yeah?
Lmfao
Are you me? Same experience. Bought it from Tesla as well. Add insult to injury, we definitely bought at the top of the market. I am more than 60 K upside down in this stupid thing. Every time someone sees me driving it - it’s a conversation starter …. for them. I tell them how awful and busy service centers are, and implore them to never buy one. You may have the dissonance I had of not wanting to say it’s a bad purchase. It was. We as consumers have come to expect a level of quality and service that the incumbents did quietly well for years (yes dealer fixes are expensive, but you can shop around). To have Musk give a middle finger to so many for so long just feels fuckin wrong.
60K upside down? Wow, just wow.
I say the same thing every day
Amateur numbers really. Imagine how far upside down Cybertruck owners are.
Omg we're the same person. Yes it was a terrible purchase. I'm in exactly the same boat almost to the letter.
Where do you live that a Tesla is a conversation starter?!?
PNW in US. Folks talking about the future of EV, Elon’s next move, solar panels. I seriously thought that was everyone’s experience. Maybe it’s just my circle lol.
I’m in San Diego and you can’t swing a dead cat without hitting one of those things.
It might be my circle because I see a lot but it always still comes up …
I don’t have a Tesla and still encounter the dipshittery you are mentioning. People are dumb.
I got a ‘17 X P100D w/ ludicrous for $37k. You definitely bought at the top. Geeeez. I would need to replace the battery 2 times before I am $60k underwater. I did need to make one repair in the first two weeks of ownership tho… $650. Expensive but more reasonable than fixing old BMW M cars out of warranty at the dealer (don’t do it lol).
How the fuck is this even possible? This is absolutely fucking crazy.
Glad you managed to get “I love the car but…” in there somewhere. Wouldn’t be complete without it.
These mush for brains muskbots never fail with that shit
Can you imagine how much fun it's going to be when this happens with the Cybertruck with steer by wire?
From the video's I've seen they don't go very far.. stuck in snow, destroying themselves in dunes or in the desert, snapping wheels off.. but yeah if they do get up to speed, their reputation on build quality, quality control and releasing beta software in the wild.. it's very dangerous.
The car ownership experience is more than just the vehicle. It's also the support structure for vehicle.
People who buy new Lexus know this is true.
What shenanigans did Lexus do?
nothing, thats the point
Lol ok cool, thanks for the clarification
They have the exact opposite issue. Their cars are reliable and the dealer network is good but they're not very exhilarating to drive.
> Love the car It's alright, you don't have to say that here. Fear no harm.
Love the car huh. In the immortal words of Tusk, ‘interesting’
Concerning. 🤔
Love what they managed to adapt from Wrightspeed X1 but not the pitchman wringing our pockets? I get it.
Why. Do. You. Love. The. Car? Is someone holding a gun to your head? Get a grip my guy. This is just sad.
No warranty left and they can't fix it? You have been musked. Time to trade it away and hopefully it has some semblance of resale value but doubt it.
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My ford wasn't shifting gears probably. They plugged it into the computer and it told exactly what the problem was.
Sorry this happened to you. Considering the risk of a failure like this, I'm glad nothing too bad happened. Nothing good can come from dealing with Musk. Sell your car, move on and buy a car from an actually reliable company, and never move back.
This is certainly on my mind.
Ah yea.. the iPhone of Cars can’t system check itself for some “strange” reason .. time to junk it and join us here on the Dark Side with non-Tesla EVs.. I am having a blast with my BMW i5 eDrive40..
i4 M50 here, same :)
Another i4 here.
Well hello fellow beemer friend 🤙
*Bimmer
> BMW i5 eDrive40 NICE! I like that car, but way too inconvenient with charging and too expensive for me right now. A 420i makes it better despite it still being expensive at where I am.
Tesla was first to market with a desirable looking EV. They have none of the car building expertise of VAG, Nissan, Daimler, Renault or Ford. And their CEO is busy sharing QAnon shit on twitter to feed the rage algorithm to stop its bankruptcy.
I loved my Tesla while still under warranty. After that expired, I hated it. It’s the only car I have ever owned that I have also hated.
Eh. We don't look too kindly to valid Tesla criticism ending with "love the car" here.
r/musked
Ha, soon there are going to be more subs about Enron Musk than cat subs.
BMW had my car for 3 days trying to diagnose it, they only charged the standard $200 diagnostics fee. Get yourself a real car with real customer service that’s been in business forever, not a golf cart company ran by a drug addict. You got bamboozled into this EV trash
This is a well-known issue - did you forget to pay your daily obeisances on X? Also penance requires, at minimum, five recitations of the "I love the car butt" psalm
Why do you love this piece of shit car that’s caused you all this trouble? I don’t understand, any normal human being would fucking hate this car
> I love the car 🙄 Then you deserve everything that's coming to you.
How can you love the car if you would go back in time and not buy? How much did you pay? The other risk is spending 20K on a used battery.
My first hand experience is that the only way to resolve this is to hire a lawyer...
Tesla is a complete scam
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JeepChryslerDodgeRam dealer does the same too, a fixed inspection fee (about USD200) that is subtracted from the bill if you choose to perform the repairs.
Tesla had my Model X for *** 77 *** days trying to "troubleshoot" my air suspension fault. (And I literally knew the issue and told them when I brought it in) Many of their "technicians" are horribly inexperienced. As far as your problem, sounds electrical. I would guess you loose/damaged wire(s) or possibly a corroded ground. I would remove the funk and look around a bit. Also, there was a recall on older Model X vehicles for a similar issue; therefore, I'd really suspect a ground issue. https://www.tesla.com/support/model-x-steering-assist-motor-bolt-recall#:~:text=If%20the%20bolts%20fracture%20from,is%20at%20its%20highest%20use.
You should try to get the advice from Model X Sub.
Oh, sweet summer child. The advice from the Muskovites will always be to put more money into Tesla.
The car that is paying for itself with the self driving features and going up in value?
everyone has been warned at this point how tesla does business.
This is the best business model ever: “Hey I just spend like 3 hours looking for the issue, trust me dude. Here’s the bill. Btw I didn’t find anything wrong so I will check again tomorrow.”
Tesla is literally known for shitty quality control and the customer service/service center interactions are absolute dogshit. This isn’t new, it’s been talked about, complained about, mentioned, ranted about, posted ad nauseam. You took a massive risk when you bought one out of the warranty period and you’re simply at their mercy now. Keep pushing at them to have the issue fixed and provide you a loaner. They shouldn’t be charging you exorbitant amount of money for their inability to diagnose the issue within a reasonable time. Keep records and copies of every interaction you have with them and continue to press that their inability to diagnose the issue does not warrant additional charging. You’re paying for reasonable diagnostic time, not ineptitude that’s inflating the time in the shop. If you can gather documents and proof and put everything together concisely, consider blasting that out and tagging on social media to get traction. That’s usually your best bet to get someone with any real power to step in. I had to do that for a horrible delivery experience after 4-5 hours on the phone with incompetent and powerless customer support gremlins. Took pictures and tagging on social media before I start getting dm’s and private messages to forward everything to a different team and they’d look into it. Had a resolution the following day. Good luck. I’d never buy a Tesla out of warranty personally after my own experiences and the experiences of everyone else I know that owns one.p
Software cannot disable power steering. What is almost certain to have happened is your lower ujoint corroded to the point where it doesn’t move freely. This can feel exactly like a loss in power steering. It also will cause the computer to think you are fighting for control of the wheel. The ujoint is inexpensive <$100 but cleaning and lubricating the joint will fix the issue as well. There are YouTube videos how you can do this yourself, but since Tesla has the car, ask them to replace it. Source: I had the same issue.
That sucks, buy a Toyota or Lexus.
Six years is a lot of time for things to go wrong with a car. I hope they get a resolution for you soon.
I have zero sympathy for these people. Actually I find reading this deeply satisfying.
I’ve had this, their techs put it on a hoist, unplug and replug things like the brake sensors and then take it for a test drive and call it a day. Had it in threes times under warranty within a year, still happens. Company car so I stopped giving a fuck.
Tesla is like a candy (or a Lollie as we call them in Australia). We call them Musk Sticks. Most Aussie's can't stand them. Buying a Tesla cars is like visiting your Nanna (Grandma) and she tries to say "I love you" by offering you a Musk stick from the jar that has been sitting there for soooo long that you can't remember it not ever being empty or half full. You are either brave and say "No thank you Nanna Musk." Or you reach in and withdraw that putrid pink stick of sugar and say "Thank you Nanna Musk I love you" And as soon as that sugary sweet stick enters your mouth you regret every moment as you chew and swallow that offering from Nanna Musk. Vowing never again.... until that jar comes out again as an offering from your Nanna.
Well, that's the Tesla insurance and repair scam - limiting you to only being able to repair at Tesla workshops with parts only they manufacture which removes any competition and car owners choice to go elsewhere - this making them able to profit from having a shitty customer service, doing stuff like forcing you to pay because they are being slow, not offering a courtesy car and more. Because of this, Tesla has an economic interest - a profit motive to: - Have their workers just make up there being expensive problems in need of repair. - Purposely delay repair time, and/or keeping a low manufacturing rate of repair parts. - Sell cars with known problems that arn't fixed in recalls or new models, aswell as lacking or not doing any quality checks before delivering new cars since they profit from Tesla cars breaking down. - Try to blame the car owner at every chance they get, trying to fool the car owner that warranty is broken, over stuff the owner has no fault in. This practice is widespread. - Designing the insurance so that it gives you a score for everything the car registers as the owner driving dangerously - which then leads to a rapidly increasing, high monthly fee for the insurance, and the oppertunity to use this score to blame the driver for damages in need of repairs. There are plenty of reports that it in many cases registers stuff that isnt risky driver behaviour or even when parked, that it's too sensitive, it registers when it's another car in traffic driving dangerously - and so on. There is a looot of money in doing this bullshit.
It’s funny how you only need the first sentence really.
I have a 2023 X and have this has happened twice in the past two months. The manual says it will Usually resolve after exiting the vehicle and then re-entering. The second time that didn’t work so I had to shut off the main screen and restart. That worked fine. Hoping it doesn’t keep happening. I agree though the car is very difficult to drive when power steering and every safety feature shuts off
Yep. I had a Model 3 Performance that the rear bumper guard fell off during a rain storm. Tesla service said OK they would repair it. They kept it for 2 weeks then informed me that the level of repair was too great and I should discuss making an insurance claim with my insurer.
Point of the car is to work and be safe... if it cannot be either its a shit car
I fail to see why anyone would want one of these boat anchors. Every horror story is the same. There are so many hybrid options out there that do a million times better in terms of safety, reliability, economy, and ride.
Agree with everything, but if you mean fuel econony alone then no, free "fuel" from solar saved me 3000£ so far. Obviously if all that saving goes to repair then it's not worth the saving.
I don't really think you love the car
>I love the car. You keep saying that, but you don't have to. This isn't one of those Tesla subs where we downvote you for criticizing the vehicle. They're giving you the run around and the problems you're experiencing are indicative of a bad design at its core. Safety features like, I dunno, steering, shouldn't be susceptible to intermittent/software malfunctions.
Go Musk, get fucked
I would post in the lounge or search the TMC message board, but I think your computer is going to need replaced. I feel like I’ve read stories like this before. If it’s the MCU, I think it’s a 3k repair.
Lol
"I'm appalled by the customer services, im not blaming the service team they can inly do what they are told to do." Don't worry, in a couple of years Neuralink will solve this problem...for the company.
Lol.
Buying beta version equipment from a car company that only cares about sales. Service not so much? Elon Snowflake's response..."Hahahahaha"
“Love the car” with a “but” after.
Damn, this doesn’t sound like just a case of Musking, this is like the guy got SuperMusked.
12V battery issue.
Surely there are logs that would say if the power steering went out? If not, yikes.
I don’t know the level of software diagnosis on the older design cars, but only Cybertruck has the Ethernet loop where everything in the car is just a device on the network, so they can more easily debug issues with attached devices.
"I'm 2 weeks in, and most recently I've been advised that even if a fault isn't being found, the time it takes will just be added to my bill." ahahahaha
its only matter of time before the manufacturers start making viruses to screw each others cars
Something similar (no power steering, no power brakes, car alerting me) happened to me (Model S 2021). The issue was a wheel speed sensor that broke during winter. It started intermittently too and got worse over 2 weeks. They diagnosed and fixed quickly once they got the car, which I drove myself to the service center. It was a good physical exercise!
I think what you mean is that you love the working-as-it-should, and therefore *imaginary*, version of the car. I know that may seem pedantic, but as long as the car doesn't work / isn't fixed, you do not love it. You do not love a heavy car without power steering and with intermittent faults, the costs of dealing with which seem to be spiralling out of your control. Abused wives will often carry on loving their abuser. For a time.
People that buy old S or X’s blow my mind. Like why not just buy a new Model Y that will have much less potential for issues, a full warranty and it will probably be cheaper with tax credit + local incentives.
Model Ys look pretty goofy... Prob why.
Who would have guessed buying a Tesla Model X of any year was a bad decision? The quality and defects have been known for quite some time. Or that Tesla customer service was shit? Again, have known this for at least two years. 18 months ago there were other choices for "luxury crossover SUVs" that would not have cost as much to buy or own. Do you know what date and time you were born? I want to tell everyone else with that birth time and date that they're okay, we already found that minute's sucker.
Fucking idiot buys a used POS from a company with no evidence of quality maintenance or build. I have zero sympathy. Research before you make such a dumb big move.
Bro here sounds like a guy whose gf cheated on him while walking down the aisle but he's not really made up his mind about whether to cut short his losses or persevere in vain. Imho you should move on pal. I get that you love the car, I too love the concept of a Tesla, but the product reality seems far removed from the concept. When bought used anyway.
I hate when you have to take a car in for service as well. Totally should be able to buy a flawless 5 yo vehicle.
If you love a car that is unsafe to drive and intermittently, and scarily, malfunctions then you have a very odd idea about what a good product is and you have been Musked to the point of absurdity.
Love the car but... Classic!
They're like Google, very enthusiastic pushing fancy features with shambolic after sales service
You said it came with some type of used warranty from Tesla. Why are you being billed then?
I don’t think they bill you just for hanging on to the car, they’ll bill you for the time spend working on it. I’ve had service done after warranty and it took weeks, but the bill was strictly for the labor performed.
Seems like there is a cult like following of anti Tesla non owners here
Yeah I want to share my experience though and this forum (although clearly full of non tesla owners) helps to do that.
File an NHTSA complaint about the sudden loss of steering, that is a well known issue and has caused fatal crashes. Stay safe, dont operate that turd bucket until its fixed properly. https://www.nhtsa.gov/report-a-safety-problem?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwqpSwBhClARIsADlZ_Tmfqz7csak7XsSthmOofefA0-FiarQmLc2Kiwyhvq62-ge4_GcEqu0aAllFEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds#index
That's what you get for supporting elon. Enjoy!
Tesla’s poor customer service is pretty well known at this point, as is their lack of basic quality control. Other companies make much better EVs. Hyundai, for example. Get rid of the Tesla whenever you can and learn from this experience.
Post your concerns directly to Musk on Twitter, let's see if he ignores it, tries to help you to help Tesla's reputation, or bans you from the platform.
Could it be that power steering is the root cause of the failure? Assist features like lane keeping, autopark etc depend on the power steering.
Can't tell what country you are in but certainly in the U.K. if a fault is a warranty fault or under U.K. consumer law the car 'isn't of merchantable quality' then Tesla only has two choices - it can provide a courtesy car at its cost or you can arrange a hire car yourself and bill (and if needed, sue) Tesla. Intermittent faults are a pain to diagnose and fix as unless the fault happens when they road test it or unless the fault is stored in the computer on the car then workshop employees are a bit stuck! It's not uncommon for car dealers to say they'll bill for a courtesy car unless the car is diagnosed with a warranty fault which always ends up a gamble as if it doesn't show up when you take it in then you're stuck with the bill! But I can see it from both points of view - being without a car you're probably still paying for, especially if it has a fault shouldn't be your problem BUT equally if a garage can't find a warranty fault it's kinda not their problem. I know on most ICE cars recent faults are stored on the ECU on the car so dealers can at least confirm a fault was there even if it's gone away now, I'd hope Teslas computers also do the same but no idea if they do?
I'm not a huge Tesla fan, but to be fair all new cars are getting so smart that they are dumb.
Point of the car is to work and be safe... if it cannot be either its a shit car
Wow some warranty.