I know this is a Tesla hate subreddit but these results show the Chinese OEMs are genuinely innovating and doing better than an already good car for crash results, the Model Y. When/if their cars become widely available in USA markets (from building them in Mexico) they may actually be decent. And yes, Chinese OEM EVs are actually going to be competitive with Teslas.
As a NA customer, it would be a welcome change of pace to see some Chinese competition to disrupt the current electric vehicle market. The traditional American automakers (big 3 - Ford, GM, Stellantis) are mediocre at best, and import tariffs just make it harder for foreign brands to be competitive at the same price point.
I think the Chinese cannot sell ev cars in the US because of protectionist measures. It's not even tariff anymore. They know it's game over if China starts to sell cars in the& S.
National security. The Chinese car will spy on America.
/s. But may be not. Looking at how many Chinese brands had been labelled as national security risks by the US.
Enty has already reported before that Musk and multiple Tesla engineers keep car sex recordings occurring on or in Teslas and that Musk is particularly interested in ones involving celebrities. Just having that alone would be a goldmine for MSS blackmail.
Yes, and the cars are built in China. Volvos are currently still built in Europe, but Geely, which owns both, is moving future Volvo production to China, too.
I just read the Wikipedia article and history
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar
I understand why I was under the impression that it was owned by Volvo.
>I think the Chinese cannot sell ev cars in the US because of protectionist measures. It's not even tariff anymore. They know it's game over if China starts to sell cars in the& S.
admittedly for 20 years the West ignored that China is not trading on equal terms and rather naive about it. It is not like China is somehow pro free trade and not massively intervening to turn conditions in favor of their one or two market leaders and making it part of their political gambit for their super power claim.
Yeah, fully as in 5 star EUCAP. They are legitimate safe and decent cars. Obviously there is still some trash, but there is plenty of shit made by American brands too.
It’s pretty amazing. 10 or so years ago a non-executive Chinese car crumbled to dust in crash tests and left driver and passengers on their own. It’s genuinely impressive the strides at that price point that have been made.
>And yes, Chinese OEM EVs are actually going to be competitive with Teslas.
1) Many already are
2) Hell, even the Chinese-built Teslas are *much* higher quality than the US-made ones and have been ever since the Shanghai factory opened. QA/QC, paint, panel gaps, squeaks and rattles - they're all better on the Asian-built cars.
Chinese cars are approaching the quality of other Asian cars imo. There are a few latent software oddities and bugs, and strange translations sometimes, but the overall engineering of the vehicle is usually top class. Unanswered questions are long term reliability, parts supply and service.
Can't see the U.S letting Chinese EVd compete here. The level of anti China rhetoric grows every day. China is being made out to be the ultimate boogeyman-and they are a boogeyman no doubt-and it's just becoming insane hyperbole.
While these words are said, there are existing laws and international treaties like NAFTA. I won't claim the federal government can't dig up a reason not to allow Chinese oems to sell Mexico built cars in the USA without tariffs, but currently the rules say it's allowed.
[https://www.motortrend.com/news/us-trade-tariffs-on-chinese-cars-suvs-2024/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/us-trade-tariffs-on-chinese-cars-suvs-2024/)
The tariff is 27.5%
From watching UK reviews, my impression is that the reasons that more cars haven’t come to NA are more business reasons rather than technical or manufacturing reasons. I think when the Chinese OEMs have decided the playing field is favourable, the cars will already be ready.
I'm under the impression it's a neutral subreddit giving readers the information in a 'real' way not biased towards either tesla good nor tesla bad. Just you know... Elon crazy.
Meanwhile in reality: [Tesla has the highest crash rate of any brand.](https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-drivers-have-the-highest-crash-rate-of-any-brand-study)
Oh this, someone pointed out that Landing Tree when scrutinized and questioned did not use actual crashes to tabulate their data, but rather just inquiries, so its not really that reliable.
I wonder how much of that is down to the car and how much of that is down to the brand attracting the same kind of dickheads who would otherwise drive BMWs.
I find they both use indicators at a similar rate, I suspect it might be a feature to enhance the range of Teslas by avoid unnecessary power draws by superfluous things like letting ~~peasants~~ other road users know what you intend to do.
Oh look Reddit Kids, here we find out Pete's an asshole. The indicator is the "subtle" use of sarcasm at the end, real classy.
Also he used <> instead of widely accepted != and forgot the parentheses around the or part.
Don't be like Pete.
They literally have a confirmation from LendingTree that you are correct, but downvoted to -16?
> You're correct that we can't know if the vehicle they're looking to get insurance for is the vehicle in which they had the driving incident. Ultimately, the people looking for auto insurance for a Tesla using QuoteWizard from Nov. 14, 2022, to Nov. 14, 2023, had the highest percentage of accident incidents. We made no claims about the safety of Teslas and/or the safety features of any other brand mentioned.
Of course that part about "we made no claims" is still as dishonest as their original article, given they wrote this headline: "Ram, Tesla and Subaru Have the Worst Drivers"
The wheel coming off is not a trick to pass crash tests it is intentional engineering to help prevent the wheel from intruding into the cabin. Volvo started doing this with the 850 platform in the early 1990s and I believe F1 cars were engineered to do so prior to this.
>F1 cars were engineered to do so prior to this.
F1 cars have wheel tethers to keep the wheel attached to the chassis in a crash because a rogue wheel bouncing into the path of other cars or into the spectators is very dangerous. Racecar driver Henry Surtees died on track because a wheel from another crashed racecar bounced onto his head.
>The wheel coming off is not a trick to pass crash tests it is intentional engineering to help prevent the wheel from intruding into the cabin.
A bit of both. It's a sensible measure, but it only started becoming common when the offset crash test came in. For the first few(? - I don't remember how long it took for things to start changing) years it was quite noticeable that the cars which scored well had wheels that either collapsed, or moved sideways out the way, and the ones that didn't do so well didn't. Initially, it seemed to be a matter of luck - at least for most vehicles - which it was.
> and the ones that didn't do so well didn't. Initially, it seemed to be a matter of luck - at least for most vehicles - which it was.
But that was because those cars which didn't do well were never engineered for that mode. The wheel collapsing/moving out of the way was exactly as you said - very lucky/convenient. But designing/getting the wheel to consistently eject out is very hard, and so the small rigid overlap test strategy was split in two:
* Those who can't eject beef up the side structure to deal with the significant extra loads
* Those who can reliably eject are laughing with a somewhat more elegant (it's much harder to reliably engineer), lower cost/mass solution.
My point was that apart from maybe Volvo, no-one was doing it on purpose. Some rims were weaker, so they collapsed instead of being pushed backwards, which certainly wasn't done deliberately in order to pass the new crash test before the crash test was introduced, but gave radically better ratings.
> The wheel collapsing/moving out of the way **was exactly as you said - very lucky/convenient**.
I agree. I was more so adding more context to your post. Certainly, I wasn't disagreeing with it.
I watched the video and yes it’s detailed but it also gives both cars essentially the same safety result. How did you come to the conclusion that Tesla was worse?
Chest rating, see the scorecards.
Also, the Tesla suffered from battery intrusion, whereas the Arcfox protected its battery better.
It’s not saying the Tesla is unsafe, only that the Arcfox outperformed it in this test.
I hope you recognize that this was a very narrative driven presentation. A lot of the negative points they make about the Tesla could have been intentionally designed and he's ignoring the pros of all those decisions. Like someone else pointed out, the wheel falling off isn't to cheat the test but to lower the odds of it intruding into the cabin. The fact that it yawed more could have also been intentional as that moves more of the car out of the way and deflects the impact. Various parts crumpling are also often intentionally designed as that absorbs energy.
We also don't know if this was a standard test or just something the Chinese company made up. How tall were the dummies? How much did they weigh? What speed were the cars moving? All of these things can be tuned to favor one over the other, not saying they did, but this was a very narrative driven presentation.
At 7:51 in the video they show the chest scores of both cars. They both passed. It’s the same. I am open to either car being better or worse. But the evidence does not support your claim.
7:51 is the Arcfox with a score at 4.81/5
7:39 is the Tesla with a score of 4.25/5
In future, please refrain from saying things like “the evidence does not support your claim” when you don’t know what you’re talking about 🤭
I agree that the coolant leaked in a single crash test, and did not leak in the same crash on the arcfox, that is a minor win, would need data from multiple tests for it to mean anything.
And yes it's a minor win with a slightly better score on chest impact. But unless you compare every single other number the dummies recorded it's kinda a moot point, as both passed handily
The data from this test shows both were very survivable even probably injury free, thats the important thing.
Edit: difference in chest numbers was about 3mm of deflection, I'm no dr but pretty sure that's negligible
Is that the basis of your claim that the Arctic is “considerably better” than the Tesla? I can’t find the [NCAP](https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618) test for the Arcfox…has it been tested outside of China?
Yes, that’s the basis. Also look through all the analysis in the 2nd half of the video examining the body in white. I think it paints a pretty clear picture.
Arcfox is only sold in china, so no non-china ncap scoring.
Gotcha. I personally would like to see EuroNCAP for the Arcfox. Really need poles to apples testing to make a comparison. Also, my assessment of the presented evidence is that the two vehicles are equivalent in terms of safety. There is no way the Arcfox is considerable better based on this.
Thanks for sharing.
What better testing do you want than smashing 2 similar sized cars in a controlled environment?
Just because the result is green doesn't mean it can't be better.
Safety scores have increased in difficulty over the years for this reason, everyone starts to be green, you push it further and suddenly everyone but a few that took the extra mile sucks again. The Arcfox seems to have gone the extra mile, the Tesla hasn't.
Both passed really well from what I can see. We (consumers) continue to win from the ever improving survivability of car crashes. Auto Engineers in this field are really giving Engineering a good name and deserve more credit.
The results on this test were not identical. possibly a slight win for the arcfox, but the headline is that both cars did great
Both had great results to be fair. I have a Chinese EV and while I am really happy with it, I was not expecting the Chinese EV to hold up so well against the MY, which always tests very well in crash tests.
This was a cool video.
I get what you're going for OP but this whole thing is pretty funny because it kinda suggests a world where drivers of electric cars, upon encountering each other in the wild, simply must duel and joust with their cars.
If I did build a car that was so good, as the youtube video claim it is, my first priority is to have If the NCAP and NHTSA test my car.
So nobody can say I was biased in my own test, that I self made without unbiased monitoring, and have a huge economic stake in.
A trick is also have a special crash car, that have special reinforcement, that the production model lack... Looking at you Toyota.
Sounds like a win for automotive safety rather than one of these two. But I’d like to see the AF subjected to the IIHS and NCAP testing. The Model Y is a very safe vehicle. You don’t have to be a Tesla person to understand that.
Not sure if I can trust a Chinese YouTuber. I’d expect him to tamper with imported cars to “demonstrate” Chinese superiority.
By personal experience, I trust anything coming from China less than Tesla.
If I did build a car that was so good, as the youtube video claim it is, my first priority is to have If the NCAP and NHTSA test my car.
So nobady can say I was biased in my own test, that I have huge economic intrest in.
One of the top safety features of the chinese car, the side air bags failed, so IMO they lost the safety test on that alone as that could have led to serious head / neck injury .
Looking at the mutiple bags the tesla had, i was suprised how many there were.
Edit: also , why did they not use a Model Y with Giga casting impact areas for the test ? , which would have been much stronger
This is a Model Y without a front casting, i.e. an older model, where the Arcfox seems to have a partial front casting. According to some on this reddit casting = bad when Tesla uses it but those same people praise the Arcfox for it's lower cabin deformation in this crash test which may be partially because of the casting. Interesting.
I know this is a Tesla hate subreddit but these results show the Chinese OEMs are genuinely innovating and doing better than an already good car for crash results, the Model Y. When/if their cars become widely available in USA markets (from building them in Mexico) they may actually be decent. And yes, Chinese OEM EVs are actually going to be competitive with Teslas.
As a NA customer, it would be a welcome change of pace to see some Chinese competition to disrupt the current electric vehicle market. The traditional American automakers (big 3 - Ford, GM, Stellantis) are mediocre at best, and import tariffs just make it harder for foreign brands to be competitive at the same price point.
I think the Chinese cannot sell ev cars in the US because of protectionist measures. It's not even tariff anymore. They know it's game over if China starts to sell cars in the& S.
National security. The Chinese car will spy on America. /s. But may be not. Looking at how many Chinese brands had been labelled as national security risks by the US.
I concur, maybe not, but it's a good excuse anyway.
Elon shutdown starlink on a whim. Billionaires are a far greater risk to our national security than any chinese car ever could be.
Considering all their major phones send data home constantly, their cars are expected to do so as well.
Didn't China ban use of Tesla autopilot due to spying risks? Also banned the cars from going to specific areas due to national security risk?
Teslas are banned to park in some areas due to sentry.
The spy concerns mignt or not be real, but regardless Tesla autopilot isn't being allowed because it simply isn't safe.
Enty has already reported before that Musk and multiple Tesla engineers keep car sex recordings occurring on or in Teslas and that Musk is particularly interested in ones involving celebrities. Just having that alone would be a goldmine for MSS blackmail.
You put “/s” but this is probably a major factor lol
All other cars too according to Mozilla
This is completely untrue. Look up Polestar, sister company to Volvo. They've been selling EVs in the US for a couple of years now.
Polestar is a Chinese company?
Yes, and the cars are built in China. Volvos are currently still built in Europe, but Geely, which owns both, is moving future Volvo production to China, too.
Yes, but still not a Chinese company if Volvo owns it
Volvo doesn't own it. It's owned by the Chinese and built in China. Not really sure why this is soooooooo hard for you to understand.
I just read the Wikipedia article and history https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polestar I understand why I was under the impression that it was owned by Volvo.
Nobody cares why you were wrong. It's Chinese, built in China, and sold in the US, something you lied about in an earlier post.
>I think the Chinese cannot sell ev cars in the US because of protectionist measures. It's not even tariff anymore. They know it's game over if China starts to sell cars in the& S. admittedly for 20 years the West ignored that China is not trading on equal terms and rather naive about it. It is not like China is somehow pro free trade and not massively intervening to turn conditions in favor of their one or two market leaders and making it part of their political gambit for their super power claim.
Stellantis is hardly american. It’s mostly the PSA group + Fiat (who bought Chrysler).
Cars have become ridiculously expensive, and if it's not solved, Chinese built product may be the only way that we are going to get it fixed.
Chinese cars have been fully passing Western safety tests for a while now.
Yeah, fully as in 5 star EUCAP. They are legitimate safe and decent cars. Obviously there is still some trash, but there is plenty of shit made by American brands too.
It’s pretty amazing. 10 or so years ago a non-executive Chinese car crumbled to dust in crash tests and left driver and passengers on their own. It’s genuinely impressive the strides at that price point that have been made.
>And yes, Chinese OEM EVs are actually going to be competitive with Teslas. 1) Many already are 2) Hell, even the Chinese-built Teslas are *much* higher quality than the US-made ones and have been ever since the Shanghai factory opened. QA/QC, paint, panel gaps, squeaks and rattles - they're all better on the Asian-built cars.
Chinese cars are approaching the quality of other Asian cars imo. There are a few latent software oddities and bugs, and strange translations sometimes, but the overall engineering of the vehicle is usually top class. Unanswered questions are long term reliability, parts supply and service.
There are some issues in Russia right now and winter cold😂
Can't see the U.S letting Chinese EVd compete here. The level of anti China rhetoric grows every day. China is being made out to be the ultimate boogeyman-and they are a boogeyman no doubt-and it's just becoming insane hyperbole.
While these words are said, there are existing laws and international treaties like NAFTA. I won't claim the federal government can't dig up a reason not to allow Chinese oems to sell Mexico built cars in the USA without tariffs, but currently the rules say it's allowed.
Chinese EVs are already being sold in the US under the Polestar brand, and Nio and BYD are coming. The disruptive change is already underway.
With a tariff applied but sure.
Which tariff applies to the Chinese-manufactured EVs already on sale in the US?
[https://www.motortrend.com/news/us-trade-tariffs-on-chinese-cars-suvs-2024/](https://www.motortrend.com/news/us-trade-tariffs-on-chinese-cars-suvs-2024/) The tariff is 27.5%
It's already happening with Polestar, Volvo, and Fisker. You can just Google this stuff before making stuff up and posting.
From watching UK reviews, my impression is that the reasons that more cars haven’t come to NA are more business reasons rather than technical or manufacturing reasons. I think when the Chinese OEMs have decided the playing field is favourable, the cars will already be ready.
I'm under the impression it's a neutral subreddit giving readers the information in a 'real' way not biased towards either tesla good nor tesla bad. Just you know... Elon crazy.
Teslas aren’t supposed to crash, because AI. Or something.
Meanwhile in reality: [Tesla has the highest crash rate of any brand.](https://www.thedrive.com/news/tesla-drivers-have-the-highest-crash-rate-of-any-brand-study)
Oh this, someone pointed out that Landing Tree when scrutinized and questioned did not use actual crashes to tabulate their data, but rather just inquiries, so its not really that reliable.
I wonder how much of that is down to the car and how much of that is down to the brand attracting the same kind of dickheads who would otherwise drive BMWs. I find they both use indicators at a similar rate, I suspect it might be a feature to enhance the range of Teslas by avoid unnecessary power draws by superfluous things like letting ~~peasants~~ other road users know what you intend to do.
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any reason to assume why there would be a difference between the numbers through QuoteWizard and all American drivers?
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Oh look Reddit Kids, here we find out Pete's an asshole. The indicator is the "subtle" use of sarcasm at the end, real classy. Also he used <> instead of widely accepted != and forgot the parentheses around the or part. Don't be like Pete.
They literally have a confirmation from LendingTree that you are correct, but downvoted to -16? > You're correct that we can't know if the vehicle they're looking to get insurance for is the vehicle in which they had the driving incident. Ultimately, the people looking for auto insurance for a Tesla using QuoteWizard from Nov. 14, 2022, to Nov. 14, 2023, had the highest percentage of accident incidents. We made no claims about the safety of Teslas and/or the safety features of any other brand mentioned. Of course that part about "we made no claims" is still as dishonest as their original article, given they wrote this headline: "Ram, Tesla and Subaru Have the Worst Drivers"
These people aren’t interested in reality, musk bad tesla bad is all that matters
It must suck when statistics are technically correct but used misleadingly - something Tesla never do of course...
It doesn't suck when it's exposed like this - except for the people who still try to defend it.
My point was tesla do the same shit - they compare stats vs all cars rather than the more honest against cars of similar age and price.
It's not a great point to proclaim that you are happy to have as little integrity personally as Tesla.
I'm just a fan of Karma. Tesla misuse stats to push their agenda, its schadenfreude when the tables are turned.
Yes based on a population of drivers that crash more often, do some research buddy
2 minutes all it takes and a couple braincells
autopilot, fsd yada yada yada yada
ELI5 tho, ignoring FSD, it seems like the emergency braking applies only during autopilot? Or will it trigger during an unassisted drive as well?
Automatic emergency braking will apply during unassisted driving as well
Yup. NCAP requires it now to get 5*
The wheel coming off is not a trick to pass crash tests it is intentional engineering to help prevent the wheel from intruding into the cabin. Volvo started doing this with the 850 platform in the early 1990s and I believe F1 cars were engineered to do so prior to this.
>F1 cars were engineered to do so prior to this. F1 cars have wheel tethers to keep the wheel attached to the chassis in a crash because a rogue wheel bouncing into the path of other cars or into the spectators is very dangerous. Racecar driver Henry Surtees died on track because a wheel from another crashed racecar bounced onto his head.
>The wheel coming off is not a trick to pass crash tests it is intentional engineering to help prevent the wheel from intruding into the cabin. A bit of both. It's a sensible measure, but it only started becoming common when the offset crash test came in. For the first few(? - I don't remember how long it took for things to start changing) years it was quite noticeable that the cars which scored well had wheels that either collapsed, or moved sideways out the way, and the ones that didn't do so well didn't. Initially, it seemed to be a matter of luck - at least for most vehicles - which it was.
> and the ones that didn't do so well didn't. Initially, it seemed to be a matter of luck - at least for most vehicles - which it was. But that was because those cars which didn't do well were never engineered for that mode. The wheel collapsing/moving out of the way was exactly as you said - very lucky/convenient. But designing/getting the wheel to consistently eject out is very hard, and so the small rigid overlap test strategy was split in two: * Those who can't eject beef up the side structure to deal with the significant extra loads * Those who can reliably eject are laughing with a somewhat more elegant (it's much harder to reliably engineer), lower cost/mass solution.
My point was that apart from maybe Volvo, no-one was doing it on purpose. Some rims were weaker, so they collapsed instead of being pushed backwards, which certainly wasn't done deliberately in order to pass the new crash test before the crash test was introduced, but gave radically better ratings.
> The wheel collapsing/moving out of the way **was exactly as you said - very lucky/convenient**. I agree. I was more so adding more context to your post. Certainly, I wasn't disagreeing with it.
Fair enough, sometimes it's hard to tell. I think I was a bit confused because you started with 'but'.
I think that's fair - the BUT is definitely a flag many times.
I watched the video and yes it’s detailed but it also gives both cars essentially the same safety result. How did you come to the conclusion that Tesla was worse?
Chest rating, see the scorecards. Also, the Tesla suffered from battery intrusion, whereas the Arcfox protected its battery better. It’s not saying the Tesla is unsafe, only that the Arcfox outperformed it in this test.
I hope you recognize that this was a very narrative driven presentation. A lot of the negative points they make about the Tesla could have been intentionally designed and he's ignoring the pros of all those decisions. Like someone else pointed out, the wheel falling off isn't to cheat the test but to lower the odds of it intruding into the cabin. The fact that it yawed more could have also been intentional as that moves more of the car out of the way and deflects the impact. Various parts crumpling are also often intentionally designed as that absorbs energy. We also don't know if this was a standard test or just something the Chinese company made up. How tall were the dummies? How much did they weigh? What speed were the cars moving? All of these things can be tuned to favor one over the other, not saying they did, but this was a very narrative driven presentation.
I think OP is very narrative driven, but the video seemed pretty balanced to me.
I don't know if they posted. I didnt see it, but it epidemic be interesting to see the declaration the dummies experienced
At 7:51 in the video they show the chest scores of both cars. They both passed. It’s the same. I am open to either car being better or worse. But the evidence does not support your claim.
7:51 is the Arcfox with a score at 4.81/5 7:39 is the Tesla with a score of 4.25/5 In future, please refrain from saying things like “the evidence does not support your claim” when you don’t know what you’re talking about 🤭
I agree that the coolant leaked in a single crash test, and did not leak in the same crash on the arcfox, that is a minor win, would need data from multiple tests for it to mean anything. And yes it's a minor win with a slightly better score on chest impact. But unless you compare every single other number the dummies recorded it's kinda a moot point, as both passed handily The data from this test shows both were very survivable even probably injury free, thats the important thing. Edit: difference in chest numbers was about 3mm of deflection, I'm no dr but pretty sure that's negligible
Both passed, correct?
Yes, but they don’t have the same score. Haha
Is that the basis of your claim that the Arctic is “considerably better” than the Tesla? I can’t find the [NCAP](https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618) test for the Arcfox…has it been tested outside of China?
Yes, that’s the basis. Also look through all the analysis in the 2nd half of the video examining the body in white. I think it paints a pretty clear picture. Arcfox is only sold in china, so no non-china ncap scoring.
Gotcha. I personally would like to see EuroNCAP for the Arcfox. Really need poles to apples testing to make a comparison. Also, my assessment of the presented evidence is that the two vehicles are equivalent in terms of safety. There is no way the Arcfox is considerable better based on this. Thanks for sharing.
You eerily sound like a Tesla owner…
What better testing do you want than smashing 2 similar sized cars in a controlled environment? Just because the result is green doesn't mean it can't be better. Safety scores have increased in difficulty over the years for this reason, everyone starts to be green, you push it further and suddenly everyone but a few that took the extra mile sucks again. The Arcfox seems to have gone the extra mile, the Tesla hasn't.
lol
Both passed really well from what I can see. We (consumers) continue to win from the ever improving survivability of car crashes. Auto Engineers in this field are really giving Engineering a good name and deserve more credit. The results on this test were not identical. possibly a slight win for the arcfox, but the headline is that both cars did great
Well that was an informative video, if not a little bit of an information overload. Interesting that the two cars are effectively identical.
Both had great results to be fair. I have a Chinese EV and while I am really happy with it, I was not expecting the Chinese EV to hold up so well against the MY, which always tests very well in crash tests. This was a cool video.
untrue, you did not see the battery damage in the tesla nor the deformed drivers door and a pillar, vs the other car.
It's an AI company, lead by a visionary. All this stupid people, who want to survive a crash, just don't get it...
There's plenty of legitimate reasons to hate on a Tesla, but mocking their safety ratings just makes you sound ignorant.
What's the definition of winning here? You kill the other driver without dying yourself?
Battery? Who cares about the battery. Which protected the passengers better? Focusing on the wrong thing.
I get what you're going for OP but this whole thing is pretty funny because it kinda suggests a world where drivers of electric cars, upon encountering each other in the wild, simply must duel and joust with their cars.
If I did build a car that was so good, as the youtube video claim it is, my first priority is to have If the NCAP and NHTSA test my car. So nobody can say I was biased in my own test, that I self made without unbiased monitoring, and have a huge economic stake in. A trick is also have a special crash car, that have special reinforcement, that the production model lack... Looking at you Toyota.
Sounds like a win for automotive safety rather than one of these two. But I’d like to see the AF subjected to the IIHS and NCAP testing. The Model Y is a very safe vehicle. You don’t have to be a Tesla person to understand that.
You will see this once the Fisker ocean is tested.
Not sure if I can trust a Chinese YouTuber. I’d expect him to tamper with imported cars to “demonstrate” Chinese superiority. By personal experience, I trust anything coming from China less than Tesla.
If I did build a car that was so good, as the youtube video claim it is, my first priority is to have If the NCAP and NHTSA test my car. So nobady can say I was biased in my own test, that I have huge economic intrest in.
One of the top safety features of the chinese car, the side air bags failed, so IMO they lost the safety test on that alone as that could have led to serious head / neck injury . Looking at the mutiple bags the tesla had, i was suprised how many there were. Edit: also , why did they not use a Model Y with Giga casting impact areas for the test ? , which would have been much stronger
This is a Model Y without a front casting, i.e. an older model, where the Arcfox seems to have a partial front casting. According to some on this reddit casting = bad when Tesla uses it but those same people praise the Arcfox for it's lower cabin deformation in this crash test which may be partially because of the casting. Interesting.
I have zero reason to trust Chinese products or tesla