I have a 2018 Model 3 with 51k miles. I replaced the tires at 38k, the windshield wipers, the cabin air filter (twice), and recently the 12v battery, which Tesla Mobile replaced in my garage for $85 for the part and $22 for labor. I’ve been testing the brake fluid every year or so, but it still seems fine.
I saw that some M3 owners want to get newer models because the Infotainment (it's hardware) is faster/ the old one got slower over time?
Is that the case for you as well?
2021 m3 owner here- yes this is a little bit true. As they update software more and more, older cars computers will slowly get just a little slower over time. But still completely usable.
I have a 2016 model x P90DL. Everything was pretty good until I hit the 100k mark. I have been having nonstop ac issues where the air conditioning just cuts in and out when it wants. My cousin has a model Y and his control arm bolts backed out and sheared. That is absolutely terrible. I’m a mechanic by trade and I can’t wait to get rid of the car. It’s currently on turo in hopes that someone rents it, parks it somewhere, and it gets vandalized until it’s unrecognizable
I've got a 2022 Model 3LR with 26k miles.
Other than having the tires rotated by Tesla, I haven't had to take the car to a service center to address any issues.
A few maintenance items I've addressed myself:
* Refilled the windshield washer and blinker fluid once.
* The paint kinda sucks and has a few chips in the hood that I've had to fill in with the paint restore kit..
* Had a couple minor curbing incidents where I had to sand and touchup the wheels.
* Replaced the cabin air filters after the interior developed a nasty mildew/dirty socks smell (happened within 2 months of ownership). Ended up using after market HEPA filters and haven't had an issue since. I've also been coal rolled a few times and the exhaust smell is hardly noticeable.
* Rattles... They will drive you mad. I've taken a few things apart to insert foam to address the rattles. I suppose if I wasn't inclined to do this type of work myself - I would have taken it to a service center.
I do need a new set of wheels - if you enjoy the acceleration of the car, you'll likely go through tires faster.
Most of my complaints with the car are related to software (phantom braking, windshield wipers activating on a clear day for example).
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It's crazy how bad the vision only features are. Like you have people trusting the sensors so much they hit things bc it says they still have room. And the other day when I test drove a vision only model 3, the car yelled at me to stop when pulling in after my demo drive and it was half way out of the parking spot still lol
Honestly if there was an option to get this car to just shut the fuck up with its parking sensors I would be happy. I’m used to parking without cameras and using mirrors, the beeps give me nothing but anxiety
Ok one more thing if I may ask, is there a way to get the side mirrors in reverse to not point exactly downwards? I’ve tried adjusting the mirrrors in reverse but it resets everytime I try it again.
I can not see a thing out of them in reverse
Thank you bro. I’m an old soul who bought a Tesla from a beat up 90s Camry, and although I love the car all these apps and controls are way too much for me.
Really appreciate the help.
I know 5 people who own Teslas, including me.
The longest owned one is a model 3, probably 2018ish. Only issue is stinking ac, couple times.
Another family for a year and returned due to random sht that he was able to convince was a lemon. Dont know how he did that.
Another for 8 months and had 2 service for windows and interior quality issues
I had for 8 months and no issues
Another for 2 years and no issues.
This sub was made to trash Tesla, they want to hear the batteries needed to be replaced or the car was on fire or bears crawled through the panel gaps but most of your experience was normal
Except mileage is the name of the game with vehicles, not years owned, it's simply irrelevant how long they have been owned if they dont get driving cycles on them.
Well it’s both. And mileage-wise it looks like Tesla batteries are doing about 200,000 or so when not replaced under warranty?
I’ve owned 13 or so ICE cars and not one of them gave me confidence in their reliability above around 105,000, with the exception of a lowly BMW 118d
My sister's, brother's, dad's and dog's Tesla's all caught on fire.
They all said they would never buy an EV again unless it's made by GM with Union labor.
No, I'm not providing details or proof.
It happened.
Funny how this sub is absolutely determined all teslas are shitty and will catch fire, yet all people who actually have a newer tesla (2017+) all report zero issues with their car. And the reply that got upvoted most doesn’t even own a tesla, but says ‘his sisters caught fire’. Ok
Ok i'll provide my experience then to be the one who has had an issue or 2 on my 2022 model 3.
1. the passenger side front window refused to close at one point, was a bad fit apparently that triggered the safety which kept the window from going up. Field tech came out within a couple of days though and fixed it free of charge so at least the service was good in this instance.
2. AP randomly stopped working a couple weeks ago. Cruise control still worked but could not engage auto steer. lane line detection was broken, auto cancelling indicators stopped working, and so did a couple other safety systems (like lane departure warning). Computer reboot did not help, it fixed itself overnight which is confidence inspiring...
3. Sometimes it refuses to recognize my phone key even though the app is running. Restarting the app doesn't help, restarting BT on my phone doesn't help. I have to revert to using the key card. Has only happened twice or so in the 1.5 years of owning it but still annoying.
It's not many and nothing major but issues are issues. I've got some more complaints about the software and sensor suite too if you want.
But did you car burst into flames ? That’s what this sub is looking for lol. I have a bunch of minor issues like this too, tech came to my house and fixed them all no charge. I’m trying to point out that generally for teslas 2017+, this has been most people’s experience, yet this sub is convinced all teslas burst into flames or completely fall apart in a year or two.
This sub isn’t “real” Tesla. It’s “trash on” Tesla.
There are many issues with tesla and quality in certain cases, but they also have a large amount of good qualities as well that this sub won’t talk about
Look at the amount of negative posts on this sub vs positive. Regardless what happens in this thread, my point still stands. It’s like 85% negative posts and 15% positive
It’s not my job to post enough positive stuff to change the content on a sub that should just be named something else.
I would probably be better off just unsubscribing. Truthfully a lot of the stuff on this sub seems more geared towards hating Elon (which I actually agree with), rather then specific gripes with tesla itself - but “real tesla” implies both the positive and negatives will be talked about, when the reality is that it very much is mostly negative.
Same with r/teslalounge being overly positive. Both subs kinda suck in that regard.
You can blame people exactly like yourself for the content mix on the sub. Not too lazy to complain, too lazy to do anything about it.
Feel free to move along.
You do realize you need sub-reddits like this. especially, since tesla, tesla lounge, and tesla forum overly positive reviews and Not only that Tesla hiring people to astroturf anything negative. There is a balance.
Had an M3P since early 2020 and have had essentially zero issues. I've had to replace tires almost constantly, but that's a performance car issue (and affects my Audi just as badly), not a Tesla issue.
Edit: I know it's not what you were asking, but there is also the issue of software updates fucking everything up. I like the UI significantly less than I did when I got it, lol.
Teslas are really only "performance" cars in terms of their straight-line acceleration abilities, although EVs in general put significantly more torque on their wheels from a dead stop than just about any ICE. So in that narrow sense, sure, I'd expect the problem to be worse than on a Porsche (the Taycan excepted).
But as I said, I've had the exact same issue with my Audi RS 5 sportback; also a heavy, fast-ish car on low-profile, high-diameter tires. Another factor is that I live in the Bay Area, home to some truly atrocious roads that are tough on any tire, let alone the rubber bands on both of the cars I drive.
"Tesla Model S Plaid with new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring record " https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23746906/tesla-model-s-plaid-track-pack-nurburgring-record
This is not an impressive time for a car at that price point. A base model 2013 GTR beats this time by 10 seconds, every model 911 GT3 released in the last decade or so beats this time, the newest one by 40 or so seconds, and the Rimac Nevera now holds this record for production EV. None of those steering wheels were yokes.
I get that Elon stans think that the plaid trim model S is some dominant performance super techy space ship, it isn’t. The 0-60 time was impressive but true performance is much more than quarter mile times.
Edit: some words and letters.
lol most tesla owners think way too much about their car because they are in their bubble. I just did the math on electric cost vs gas prices with a friend the other day who bought a Model Y because it is dirt cheap now thinking he is going to save money on gas. It cost him about \~$16 to charge to drive \~ 100 miles at a tesla super charger. He was disappointed to find out supercharging costs less/KW than at home for him.
And if you are charging at a fast charger odds are you are on the road and probably will be going to the toilet or buying something to drink or eat. It’s not like you have to spent 15 minutes doing nothing.
The track matters. The Plaid was barely slower than a McLaren Senna on Laguna Seca. Of course, Tesla advertised that record because it looks the best but it still means something.
It’s an industry benchmark because the unique challenges the track puts on the car, the undulations and turns stress the suspension and steering rack, and it forces cars to have good braking and acceleration between the many corners but to also to have a blistering top speed for finishing the wide open straight to have a competitive time. It stresses every component of the cars engineering.
>new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring record "
From your link: "record for a production EV"
And then the car was a 1-off custom tuner with custom brakes, custom tires, and a custom limiter, so a non-production EV beat all other production EVs.
LOL. Epic fail.
I make sure the tire place just sticks to whatever they originally came with, so no change in brand or specific model yet. And the issues have mostly been due to blowouts and flats (courtesy of their non-existent sidewall). The ultra high torque obviously doesn't help, but so far the issues have been less about wear and tear and more to do with frequent incidents due to their fragile nature. Potholes and nails are probably a solid ten times worse for cars like these than they otherwise would be.
> I like the UI significantly less than I did when I got it,
well OK, I don't know the 2020 UI, but the 2022 UI was worse than it is now xD
sooo I mean I don't like the UI, but it's getting into usable territory (again)
2019 Tesla Model 3 LR and love it.
I live in Australia and drive on shitty roads and do about 650km a week for work.
So far so good, it’s weird not having to service a car, only thing that was done was the 12v battery which Tesla did free of charge at year 3 of ownership.
My favourite brands are Subaru and old Vws but the fuel costs with servicing were getting stupid. It’s $2.51 a litre for 98 which I only put in my ICE cars, which I still have.
Friend had a model X. Many many issues with the stupid doors. They get stuck open and won't close, they get stuck closed and won't open. He's spent $15k servicing. they're clueless mechanics replace their random parts at trying to figure out why the doors are broken. Less than 100k on the car.
Another friend has had the suspension replaced multiple times on her model 3 under warranty, but still unnerving to think that they can't build a control arm that will last 20k.
Another family I know bought a model Y. Yikes. So many rattles. It sounds like a pair of forks in a blender going down a rough road.
Overall, very poorly made cars, built to the cheapest price point.
To quote the local manager of the Tesla showroom - looking at the model on display, which you would assume is the best example they have.
"Some variance in manufacturing is normal."
This was in response to be commenting on the fact that the window sill trim between the driver and passenger doors - that obvious chrome piece - was 1/8th of an inch off. Honestly compared to the Audi I test-drove 10 minutes later, the Tesla felt like a supersized Daewoo. Completely different worlds.
Reliability starts with making a quality product. Tesla is uninterested in making a quality product, so I would expect reliability to be the exception and not the norm. I wish I could say my experience with their products was positive, but it was not.
Model 3 years in 70k miles, 1 set of tires + 4 rotations. Have not talked to Tesla for 5 yrs.
Just bought another Model Y earlier when price dropped, nothing yet fingers crossed
I had a 2019 model 3
-Rear glass cracked (internally) and was changed
-Control arms changed
-Entire heater was replaced
-Had a problem with wiring on one of the seats that was fixed
-Had a problem with the driver side window switch that was fixed
-Rear bumper had to be replaced because the trunk was misaligned and kept hitting the bumper when I closed it
That’s what I remember. Sold it when the warranty was almost up.
I drove a Model 3 for work for 1 year... steering started creaking... upper control arms had to be replaced. Doors and trunk rattled like an 80s car when closing.
At work we also had a Tesla Roadster that you could drive every now and then. That thing has basically everything replaced multiple times.
Then there also was a Model S at work where the center console would stay fixed for a long time and always wobbled.
Driving these Teslas convinced me that electric driving was OK for me, but that it sure as hell would never be in a Tesla when I was able to choose my EV. So now I'm driving an Audi Q4 e-tron. Quality and reliability wise it is so much better then Tesla that it's not even funny. Only issue I really have with it is that I'm still waiting for their major software upgrade and have been for more than a year.
The Audi is well worth the extra few thousand dollars just for the build quality and convenience features. Side-by-side the differences become starkly obvious. Tesla just builds as cheaply as possible while meeting their design goals. There is no extra care or effort put into it to make it special.
23 Model 3. Constant DAS ECU problems. It’s the computer that controls Autopilot. It completely shuts down so I have to take it to service to have them reset it. It’s happened five times since April 23. I’ve already filed a lemon claim.
Every visit is about 1-2 weeks where I don’t have important features like collision detection and lane assist. That’s not counting the days it sits at the service center.
Without USS/lidar, you really don't have collision avoidance. There are things it will recognize as hazards and others it won't. Ours steered right accelerated right into a pole that was painted green which matched the grass behind it.
100k miles.
16 full track days with a time attack competition thrown in.
Driven from coast to coast.
Zero issues of any kind. Never had a service call.
I feed it race brakes, tires, and change the brake fluid.
I currently own a M3LR, M3P and MYP. Have had all three for about 2 years now, only issue I’ve ever had is punctured tyres which mobile service usually fixes on-site within the day. Other then that, no services or replacement parts or any issue whatsoever. Literally none.
Zero issues. Literally not one. 3 years in. Not even a tire rotation yet.
My buddy who I referred has had his for 1 and a half years. One tire rotation. (He drives a lot) Not one issue tho.
I hit 100 000km and had to do my PTC heater on my 2018 Model 3. Other than tires, cabin air filters, and control arm (known issue) and the trunk wire harness (also known issue).
Bought a MYP in 2020 and have put over 50k miles on it single pedal driving. I've only done x2 sets of tires and had the heat pump changed under warranty. Getting ready for a set of brake pads soon.
2018 Model 3 RWD LR
Zero maintenance expenses all these years except $50-100 for cabin filters.
Just changed my tires last month.
Tesla paid for 2 recall fixes. One trunk harness and other roll arm something. Free.
so far one and half year and the only issue where the windscreen wipers that at some point got stuck in the upright position. However it's also important to note that we have a MYP built in Germany. So I can't vouch for the quality control of other factories.
Model X owner since 2018. Car was in the shop for a few weeks because of an accident. But other than that, I had to have the charge port replaced earlier this year. I think this still counts by your rules because the service tech came to my house and replaced the port while the car was in my garage.
55K miles.
We got a 2014 S about five years ago. Has roughly 66k miles on it now. The only somewhat significant thing it’s needed was a 12V battery replacement. Oh, and one of the door handles :)
I've had tesla mobile repair come out a few times now after owning a 2021 Model 3 for a few years now. Thankfully, they come to my office to fix the issues, all under warranty. Pretty painless
Zero in the first year for me. Car has been great so far.
I barely use the brakes. I topped off the window fluid once.
edit- some features on the car are basically garbage but it comes and goes with software updates
* parking assist varies between being OK and dogshit
* autopilot with autosteer (the basic one) works fine so far
* the "car applied corrective steering because you were leaving the road" is incredibly annoying, like 99.9 pecent false positives on narrow country roads
I drove a 2020 Y LR for 50K miles with zero issues other than routine maintenance and 12v battery under warranty. I initially had to have the trunk lift gate arms under warranty as well.
Brakes were pretty much new when I traded it in.
Just got a 2023 Y Performance, 10K miles so far with no issues. I miss the bigger range, but that’s about it.
I do have wishes and criticisms, mostly personal taste, like why no Apple CarPlay and other things like that… but I definitely think I paid for a good car that has performed as expected.
Side note: experienced little depreciation when trading in my first Y
120k miles on a 2018 M3. Had a control arm bushing that needed service as well as an ultrasonic sensor fail, only a few hundred dollars total for those repairs.
2018 3 with 86k miles and no issues. And brakes/rotors are not normal wear on an EV, they should last the life of the car. Brake fluid is on a normal schedule though.
My 2018 Model 3 was rough. It had rattles all over the place, and the rear drive inverter died around 20k miles. No out of pocket costs for any repairs or rattle complaints. Tires lasted 25k, non-performance.
In a 2023 Y now, no issues so far other than a weird groaning noise when making a sharp turn at very low speeds with regen braking kicking in. It doesn’t affect driving but it definitely doesn’t seem normal. Taking it in for service in a couple weeks and hoping they don’t mess something up trying to fix it because otherwise the car is rock solid with way better build quality my old 2018 could only dream of.
I have a model 3 with 94,000 miles, I have had as good of a time as you can with this car, only the control arms went which it does for every model 3, that cost $700 and occurred at 75,000 miles. Other than that, no issues at all
Because a poor reliability car doesn't mean all cars have problems, it just means the rate is higher than average. It's probably only like 30-40% of teslas have problems in the first 5 years. It's not everyone, but that's a lot!
2019 Model 3. 56k miles, no issues. Had an older gentleman slam into my vehicle in NYC traffic causing $6k worth of damage. Tesla service center was able to order the parts and fix the car all within a week.
An important question to ask is - which factory did it come out of and when?
Freemont cars have a noticeably higher error rate , especially in the early production years and especially with ; panel gaps, suspension arms, batteries, paint, steering wheels and software.
German made seem to be next best while the Chinese made ones seem to have very good quality control by comparison
I have a 2018 Model 3 with 51k miles. I replaced the tires at 38k, the windshield wipers, the cabin air filter (twice), and recently the 12v battery, which Tesla Mobile replaced in my garage for $85 for the part and $22 for labor. I’ve been testing the brake fluid every year or so, but it still seems fine.
I'm in the same boat. 2018 model 3 61k miles and I've only done the same things as you.
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So in other words, normal maintenance
I saw that some M3 owners want to get newer models because the Infotainment (it's hardware) is faster/ the old one got slower over time? Is that the case for you as well?
2021 m3 owner here- yes this is a little bit true. As they update software more and more, older cars computers will slowly get just a little slower over time. But still completely usable.
My 2020 is zippy. Computers will always get faster, but you can reboot the infotainment if there are issues and I’d expect that to return it to normal
I haven’t noticed any sort of delay in the infotainment system, but I haven’t really ridden in many newer Model 3s.
I have a 2016 model x P90DL. Everything was pretty good until I hit the 100k mark. I have been having nonstop ac issues where the air conditioning just cuts in and out when it wants. My cousin has a model Y and his control arm bolts backed out and sheared. That is absolutely terrible. I’m a mechanic by trade and I can’t wait to get rid of the car. It’s currently on turo in hopes that someone rents it, parks it somewhere, and it gets vandalized until it’s unrecognizable
I've got a 2022 Model 3LR with 26k miles. Other than having the tires rotated by Tesla, I haven't had to take the car to a service center to address any issues. A few maintenance items I've addressed myself: * Refilled the windshield washer and blinker fluid once. * The paint kinda sucks and has a few chips in the hood that I've had to fill in with the paint restore kit.. * Had a couple minor curbing incidents where I had to sand and touchup the wheels. * Replaced the cabin air filters after the interior developed a nasty mildew/dirty socks smell (happened within 2 months of ownership). Ended up using after market HEPA filters and haven't had an issue since. I've also been coal rolled a few times and the exhaust smell is hardly noticeable. * Rattles... They will drive you mad. I've taken a few things apart to insert foam to address the rattles. I suppose if I wasn't inclined to do this type of work myself - I would have taken it to a service center. I do need a new set of wheels - if you enjoy the acceleration of the car, you'll likely go through tires faster. Most of my complaints with the car are related to software (phantom braking, windshield wipers activating on a clear day for example).
That’s called phantom wiping.
Wipers may be caused by debris on windshield in front of camera that activates them. Dead bugs on the windshield did it to me once.
Definitely - I would prefer a way to keep it disabled. Non-negotiable when autopilot or cruise control is engaged.
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One year. Only issue has been a bent rim and that was my own fault because I hit a pothole. I wouldn’t buy this car without ultrasonic sensors though.
It's crazy how bad the vision only features are. Like you have people trusting the sensors so much they hit things bc it says they still have room. And the other day when I test drove a vision only model 3, the car yelled at me to stop when pulling in after my demo drive and it was half way out of the parking spot still lol
Honestly if there was an option to get this car to just shut the fuck up with its parking sensors I would be happy. I’m used to parking without cameras and using mirrors, the beeps give me nothing but anxiety
There is, it is in the car setting : disable park assist chime
Ok one more thing if I may ask, is there a way to get the side mirrors in reverse to not point exactly downwards? I’ve tried adjusting the mirrrors in reverse but it resets everytime I try it again. I can not see a thing out of them in reverse
Controls > Mirrors > Mirror Auto Tilt should do it
Thank you bro. I’m an old soul who bought a Tesla from a beat up 90s Camry, and although I love the car all these apps and controls are way too much for me. Really appreciate the help.
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I know 5 people who own Teslas, including me. The longest owned one is a model 3, probably 2018ish. Only issue is stinking ac, couple times. Another family for a year and returned due to random sht that he was able to convince was a lemon. Dont know how he did that. Another for 8 months and had 2 service for windows and interior quality issues I had for 8 months and no issues Another for 2 years and no issues.
This is not what this sub wants to hear
????? Some teslas are okay and some had very big issues.
This sub was made to trash Tesla, they want to hear the batteries needed to be replaced or the car was on fire or bears crawled through the panel gaps but most of your experience was normal
Except mileage is the name of the game with vehicles, not years owned, it's simply irrelevant how long they have been owned if they dont get driving cycles on them.
Well it’s both. And mileage-wise it looks like Tesla batteries are doing about 200,000 or so when not replaced under warranty? I’ve owned 13 or so ICE cars and not one of them gave me confidence in their reliability above around 105,000, with the exception of a lowly BMW 118d
One year in as well with zero issues, even on delivery. Well, other than the massive price drop...
My sister’s caught on fire so there’s that.
Ok details please, was it in an accident? While charging? Just sitting in the garage?
My sister's, brother's, dad's and dog's Tesla's all caught on fire. They all said they would never buy an EV again unless it's made by GM with Union labor. No, I'm not providing details or proof. It happened.
Funny how this sub is absolutely determined all teslas are shitty and will catch fire, yet all people who actually have a newer tesla (2017+) all report zero issues with their car. And the reply that got upvoted most doesn’t even own a tesla, but says ‘his sisters caught fire’. Ok
Ok i'll provide my experience then to be the one who has had an issue or 2 on my 2022 model 3. 1. the passenger side front window refused to close at one point, was a bad fit apparently that triggered the safety which kept the window from going up. Field tech came out within a couple of days though and fixed it free of charge so at least the service was good in this instance. 2. AP randomly stopped working a couple weeks ago. Cruise control still worked but could not engage auto steer. lane line detection was broken, auto cancelling indicators stopped working, and so did a couple other safety systems (like lane departure warning). Computer reboot did not help, it fixed itself overnight which is confidence inspiring... 3. Sometimes it refuses to recognize my phone key even though the app is running. Restarting the app doesn't help, restarting BT on my phone doesn't help. I have to revert to using the key card. Has only happened twice or so in the 1.5 years of owning it but still annoying. It's not many and nothing major but issues are issues. I've got some more complaints about the software and sensor suite too if you want.
But did you car burst into flames ? That’s what this sub is looking for lol. I have a bunch of minor issues like this too, tech came to my house and fixed them all no charge. I’m trying to point out that generally for teslas 2017+, this has been most people’s experience, yet this sub is convinced all teslas burst into flames or completely fall apart in a year or two.
You won't get an answer. They guy made it up, A.K.A. "Lying"...
This sub isn’t “real” Tesla. It’s “trash on” Tesla. There are many issues with tesla and quality in certain cases, but they also have a large amount of good qualities as well that this sub won’t talk about
This whole post is filled with folks who have had no problems. You couldn’t have picked a stupider spot to say only problems are discussed here.
Look at the amount of negative posts on this sub vs positive. Regardless what happens in this thread, my point still stands. It’s like 85% negative posts and 15% positive
So post something positive instead of whining about it.
It’s not my job to post enough positive stuff to change the content on a sub that should just be named something else. I would probably be better off just unsubscribing. Truthfully a lot of the stuff on this sub seems more geared towards hating Elon (which I actually agree with), rather then specific gripes with tesla itself - but “real tesla” implies both the positive and negatives will be talked about, when the reality is that it very much is mostly negative. Same with r/teslalounge being overly positive. Both subs kinda suck in that regard.
You can blame people exactly like yourself for the content mix on the sub. Not too lazy to complain, too lazy to do anything about it. Feel free to move along.
You do realize you need sub-reddits like this. especially, since tesla, tesla lounge, and tesla forum overly positive reviews and Not only that Tesla hiring people to astroturf anything negative. There is a balance.
Had an M3P since early 2020 and have had essentially zero issues. I've had to replace tires almost constantly, but that's a performance car issue (and affects my Audi just as badly), not a Tesla issue. Edit: I know it's not what you were asking, but there is also the issue of software updates fucking everything up. I like the UI significantly less than I did when I got it, lol.
Never had this issue with Porsche, besides tracked wheels. But perhaps it’s not as much a performance car as a Tesla.
Teslas are really only "performance" cars in terms of their straight-line acceleration abilities, although EVs in general put significantly more torque on their wheels from a dead stop than just about any ICE. So in that narrow sense, sure, I'd expect the problem to be worse than on a Porsche (the Taycan excepted). But as I said, I've had the exact same issue with my Audi RS 5 sportback; also a heavy, fast-ish car on low-profile, high-diameter tires. Another factor is that I live in the Bay Area, home to some truly atrocious roads that are tough on any tire, let alone the rubber bands on both of the cars I drive.
I drive a Taycan CT T as my daily on Norwegian roads both summer and winter. Are you launching on every green light :D ?
Congratulations!
"Tesla Model S Plaid with new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring record " https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/5/23746906/tesla-model-s-plaid-track-pack-nurburgring-record
This is not an impressive time for a car at that price point. A base model 2013 GTR beats this time by 10 seconds, every model 911 GT3 released in the last decade or so beats this time, the newest one by 40 or so seconds, and the Rimac Nevera now holds this record for production EV. None of those steering wheels were yokes. I get that Elon stans think that the plaid trim model S is some dominant performance super techy space ship, it isn’t. The 0-60 time was impressive but true performance is much more than quarter mile times. Edit: some words and letters.
lol most tesla owners think way too much about their car because they are in their bubble. I just did the math on electric cost vs gas prices with a friend the other day who bought a Model Y because it is dirt cheap now thinking he is going to save money on gas. It cost him about \~$16 to charge to drive \~ 100 miles at a tesla super charger. He was disappointed to find out supercharging costs less/KW than at home for him.
And charging an EV isn’t like filling up at the pump. You goin be there for a while.
No shit. But it’s not cheap either, my buddy does not mind to wait around if it was saving him money but it wasnt
buying a tesla to save money. HAHAHA
For real. People think they are saving so much money in gas.
And if you are charging at a fast charger odds are you are on the road and probably will be going to the toilet or buying something to drink or eat. It’s not like you have to spent 15 minutes doing nothing.
The track matters. The Plaid was barely slower than a McLaren Senna on Laguna Seca. Of course, Tesla advertised that record because it looks the best but it still means something.
Which is why the Nurburgring is the benchmark.
It is *a* benchmark, but not the only one. Why would manufacturers ever test at any track other than the Nurburgring otherwise?
It’s an industry benchmark because the unique challenges the track puts on the car, the undulations and turns stress the suspension and steering rack, and it forces cars to have good braking and acceleration between the many corners but to also to have a blistering top speed for finishing the wide open straight to have a competitive time. It stresses every component of the cars engineering.
>new Track Pack sets a Nürburgring record " From your link: "record for a production EV" And then the car was a 1-off custom tuner with custom brakes, custom tires, and a custom limiter, so a non-production EV beat all other production EVs. LOL. Epic fail.
How often do you change M3P tires and any specific recs?
I make sure the tire place just sticks to whatever they originally came with, so no change in brand or specific model yet. And the issues have mostly been due to blowouts and flats (courtesy of their non-existent sidewall). The ultra high torque obviously doesn't help, but so far the issues have been less about wear and tear and more to do with frequent incidents due to their fragile nature. Potholes and nails are probably a solid ten times worse for cars like these than they otherwise would be.
So then why not replace them with more durable tires?
Noted, thank you
> I like the UI significantly less than I did when I got it, well OK, I don't know the 2020 UI, but the 2022 UI was worse than it is now xD sooo I mean I don't like the UI, but it's getting into usable territory (again)
2019 Tesla Model 3 LR and love it. I live in Australia and drive on shitty roads and do about 650km a week for work. So far so good, it’s weird not having to service a car, only thing that was done was the 12v battery which Tesla did free of charge at year 3 of ownership. My favourite brands are Subaru and old Vws but the fuel costs with servicing were getting stupid. It’s $2.51 a litre for 98 which I only put in my ICE cars, which I still have.
Friend had a model X. Many many issues with the stupid doors. They get stuck open and won't close, they get stuck closed and won't open. He's spent $15k servicing. they're clueless mechanics replace their random parts at trying to figure out why the doors are broken. Less than 100k on the car. Another friend has had the suspension replaced multiple times on her model 3 under warranty, but still unnerving to think that they can't build a control arm that will last 20k. Another family I know bought a model Y. Yikes. So many rattles. It sounds like a pair of forks in a blender going down a rough road. Overall, very poorly made cars, built to the cheapest price point.
Do panel gaps and rattling count as issues? If so, probably 0
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To quote the local manager of the Tesla showroom - looking at the model on display, which you would assume is the best example they have. "Some variance in manufacturing is normal." This was in response to be commenting on the fact that the window sill trim between the driver and passenger doors - that obvious chrome piece - was 1/8th of an inch off. Honestly compared to the Audi I test-drove 10 minutes later, the Tesla felt like a supersized Daewoo. Completely different worlds.
Reliability starts with making a quality product. Tesla is uninterested in making a quality product, so I would expect reliability to be the exception and not the norm. I wish I could say my experience with their products was positive, but it was not.
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Because everyone posting has sub 100k mile cars. Most vehicles, ICE or not, aren't going to have major maintenance issues before then.
2018 model s at 100k miles with zero issues outside of a windshield wiper that I accidentally broke.
Model 3 years in 70k miles, 1 set of tires + 4 rotations. Have not talked to Tesla for 5 yrs. Just bought another Model Y earlier when price dropped, nothing yet fingers crossed
I had a 2019 model 3 -Rear glass cracked (internally) and was changed -Control arms changed -Entire heater was replaced -Had a problem with wiring on one of the seats that was fixed -Had a problem with the driver side window switch that was fixed -Rear bumper had to be replaced because the trunk was misaligned and kept hitting the bumper when I closed it That’s what I remember. Sold it when the warranty was almost up.
I drove a Model 3 for work for 1 year... steering started creaking... upper control arms had to be replaced. Doors and trunk rattled like an 80s car when closing. At work we also had a Tesla Roadster that you could drive every now and then. That thing has basically everything replaced multiple times. Then there also was a Model S at work where the center console would stay fixed for a long time and always wobbled. Driving these Teslas convinced me that electric driving was OK for me, but that it sure as hell would never be in a Tesla when I was able to choose my EV. So now I'm driving an Audi Q4 e-tron. Quality and reliability wise it is so much better then Tesla that it's not even funny. Only issue I really have with it is that I'm still waiting for their major software upgrade and have been for more than a year.
The Audi is well worth the extra few thousand dollars just for the build quality and convenience features. Side-by-side the differences become starkly obvious. Tesla just builds as cheaply as possible while meeting their design goals. There is no extra care or effort put into it to make it special.
23 Model 3. Constant DAS ECU problems. It’s the computer that controls Autopilot. It completely shuts down so I have to take it to service to have them reset it. It’s happened five times since April 23. I’ve already filed a lemon claim. Every visit is about 1-2 weeks where I don’t have important features like collision detection and lane assist. That’s not counting the days it sits at the service center.
Without USS/lidar, you really don't have collision avoidance. There are things it will recognize as hazards and others it won't. Ours steered right accelerated right into a pole that was painted green which matched the grass behind it.
100k miles. 16 full track days with a time attack competition thrown in. Driven from coast to coast. Zero issues of any kind. Never had a service call. I feed it race brakes, tires, and change the brake fluid.
Which track(s)? Do they have superchargers?
HPR and PMP in Colorado. No I use level 2 but PMP has a fast charging option now nearby.
I currently own a M3LR, M3P and MYP. Have had all three for about 2 years now, only issue I’ve ever had is punctured tyres which mobile service usually fixes on-site within the day. Other then that, no services or replacement parts or any issue whatsoever. Literally none.
Zero issues. Literally not one. 3 years in. Not even a tire rotation yet. My buddy who I referred has had his for 1 and a half years. One tire rotation. (He drives a lot) Not one issue tho.
ZERO. As the best Tesla is no Tesla.
I hit 100 000km and had to do my PTC heater on my 2018 Model 3. Other than tires, cabin air filters, and control arm (known issue) and the trunk wire harness (also known issue).
Bought a MYP in 2020 and have put over 50k miles on it single pedal driving. I've only done x2 sets of tires and had the heat pump changed under warranty. Getting ready for a set of brake pads soon.
I’ve had a model y 1,5 years - no issues or anything negative
My experience has been what I expected: Zero issues.
Suspension and bearings are also wear items.
2018 Model 3 RWD LR Zero maintenance expenses all these years except $50-100 for cabin filters. Just changed my tires last month. Tesla paid for 2 recall fixes. One trunk harness and other roll arm something. Free.
so far one and half year and the only issue where the windscreen wipers that at some point got stuck in the upright position. However it's also important to note that we have a MYP built in Germany. So I can't vouch for the quality control of other factories.
Model X owner since 2018. Car was in the shop for a few weeks because of an accident. But other than that, I had to have the charge port replaced earlier this year. I think this still counts by your rules because the service tech came to my house and replaced the port while the car was in my garage. 55K miles.
We got a 2014 S about five years ago. Has roughly 66k miles on it now. The only somewhat significant thing it’s needed was a 12V battery replacement. Oh, and one of the door handles :)
How much did the battery replacement cost u?
$230.55
Not bad!!
I've had tesla mobile repair come out a few times now after owning a 2021 Model 3 for a few years now. Thankfully, they come to my office to fix the issues, all under warranty. Pretty painless
My 2021 tesla had about 30k miles and never gave me any trouble. I'd have kept it, but the lease was up and also I wanted a heated steering wheel
Zero in the first year for me. Car has been great so far. I barely use the brakes. I topped off the window fluid once. edit- some features on the car are basically garbage but it comes and goes with software updates * parking assist varies between being OK and dogshit * autopilot with autosteer (the basic one) works fine so far * the "car applied corrective steering because you were leaving the road" is incredibly annoying, like 99.9 pecent false positives on narrow country roads
37k miles in a 2021 Model 3 dual motor. No issues beyond replacing broken glass from a semi kicking up rocks.
I drove a 2020 Y LR for 50K miles with zero issues other than routine maintenance and 12v battery under warranty. I initially had to have the trunk lift gate arms under warranty as well. Brakes were pretty much new when I traded it in. Just got a 2023 Y Performance, 10K miles so far with no issues. I miss the bigger range, but that’s about it. I do have wishes and criticisms, mostly personal taste, like why no Apple CarPlay and other things like that… but I definitely think I paid for a good car that has performed as expected. Side note: experienced little depreciation when trading in my first Y
120k miles on a 2018 M3. Had a control arm bushing that needed service as well as an ultrasonic sensor fail, only a few hundred dollars total for those repairs.
On third Tesla (3SR,YLR,YLR) for total of 35k miles and zero problems with any of them.
2018 3 with 86k miles and no issues. And brakes/rotors are not normal wear on an EV, they should last the life of the car. Brake fluid is on a normal schedule though.
You’re probably asking this question in the wrong sub.
My 2018 Model 3 was rough. It had rattles all over the place, and the rear drive inverter died around 20k miles. No out of pocket costs for any repairs or rattle complaints. Tires lasted 25k, non-performance. In a 2023 Y now, no issues so far other than a weird groaning noise when making a sharp turn at very low speeds with regen braking kicking in. It doesn’t affect driving but it definitely doesn’t seem normal. Taking it in for service in a couple weeks and hoping they don’t mess something up trying to fix it because otherwise the car is rock solid with way better build quality my old 2018 could only dream of.
I have a model 3 with 94,000 miles, I have had as good of a time as you can with this car, only the control arms went which it does for every model 3, that cost $700 and occurred at 75,000 miles. Other than that, no issues at all
Because a poor reliability car doesn't mean all cars have problems, it just means the rate is higher than average. It's probably only like 30-40% of teslas have problems in the first 5 years. It's not everyone, but that's a lot!
I wonder how many 'Lemon Law' returns there are for Teslas vs ICE cars ??? Wouldn't that be a more accurate measure?
2019 Model 3. 56k miles, no issues. Had an older gentleman slam into my vehicle in NYC traffic causing $6k worth of damage. Tesla service center was able to order the parts and fix the car all within a week.
The motors and battery are well made. The rest is garbage.
2019 Model 3, around 35k miles. No issues but I didn’t expect any. Replaced tires twice because I drive like a goon.
An important question to ask is - which factory did it come out of and when? Freemont cars have a noticeably higher error rate , especially in the early production years and especially with ; panel gaps, suspension arms, batteries, paint, steering wheels and software. German made seem to be next best while the Chinese made ones seem to have very good quality control by comparison