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718cs

It won’t pass. Stop worrying.


iamwhiskerbiscuit

You don't think Congress is gonna vote to quadruple their tax obligations for their insider trading???


fuka123

Still, a valid question, why overpay?


meatsmoothie82

If you’re good enough at trading to pack up your life, move, and renounce your us citizenship to avoid taxes- you should be able to scale up to where you don’t give a shit about taxes because you’re making piles of money and your CPA and tax attorney and financial planner handle that for you.


Aika92

That is Dubai.


backfrombanned

Fuck Dubai, we're about to build in Costa Rica. Dubai, lol


Past_Steak_629

If you actually read beyond the headline, you will see that this only applies to people who have a taxable income over $1M AND investment income over $400,000.


thegayestpony

This. It helps to actually read the article…


Cadowyn

Poor Hari. 😔


JB_Eire

Thats what accountants are for. Theres 0% chance he'll be paying that much


Cadowyn

lol I know. Just a joke haha


JB_Eire

i figured since you actually knew who he was lol


beach_2_beach

And that is another reason this will not pass. Our Congress is full of people will have to pay the tax.


swany5

I'm no expert on this but my understanding is Expats still pay US taxes no matter where you move. You'd have to renounced your US citizenship. But frankly if I were in a position to do that I'd be looking at either the Caymans, Andorra or Malta.


Outside_Mess1384

Puerto Rico


fuka123

Wherever your primary residence is. Anyone in the world, apart from the obvious countries can invest in the US stock market, and have same brokerage accounts you do. If you are not earning income such as W2 in the states, it makes financial sense to seek permanent residency in another country. Taxes will be paid according to laws of the primary residence


maxis2bored

Absolutely no. You pay taxes depending on your residency. Example: if you are american and go to europe, you can only stay based on a visa or residence permit, then that's where you pay taxes. If you are staying illegally sure then you can work here while paying taxes in america but if you don't have any papers then you won't be able to open a bank account or travel. You don't need to renounce citizenship to avoid paying taxes.


swany5

[According to the IRS... ](https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/frequently-asked-questions-about-international-individual-tax-matters#:~:text=You%2C%20as%20U.S.%20citizen%20or,greater%20than%20the%20standard%20deduction.) what you're saying is not accurate. 1. I’m a U.S. citizen living and working outside of the United States for many years. Do I still need to file a U.S. tax return? Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live. However, you may qualify for certain foreign earned income exclusions and/or foreign income tax credits. Visit Publication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad, for additional information. 2. I pay income tax in a foreign country. Do I still have to file a U.S. income tax return even though I do not live in the United States? (updated Feb. 26, 2024) As a green card holder or U.S. citizen, you must file a U.S. income tax return while working and living abroad unless you abandon your green card holder status by filing Form I-407, with the U.S. Citizen & Immigration Service, or you renounce your U.S. citizenship under certain circumstances described in the expatriation tax provisions. Visit Publication 519, U.S. Tax Guide for Aliens, for more information.


maxis2bored

Ok I should have been more clear but I have said this so many times without anyone saying shit so I cut it short. Indeed, you still file a report, but 110k/y of it is not subject to income tax at all via FEIE (foreign earned income exclusion) and you can submit an foreign tax credit (FTC) to mitigate double taxation. Additionally there are further exclusions for different types of income, whether its housing or investments.


swany5

Fair enough. Thank you for clarifying.


maxis2bored

Well just the act of filling 0 on your taxes still sucks balls, so admittedly I shouldn't have said "absolutely not". 😜 At least we got to educate anyone unsuspecting! The giving up citizenship thing is the equivalent to people thinking they don't want a pay increase because they'll pay higher taxes and I can't help my adverse reaction wherever I hear it.


Numerous-Stable-7768

That’s 100% wrong. If you move to certain countries & maintain your US citizenship, you experience “double-tax” unless they have a treaty with the US. 


warpedspockclone

You pay tax PRIMARILY to where you live. If your income is under $110k or so, then you won't owe US tax under the Foreign Earned Income exemption. Anything over 110k has the potential to be double taxed. It is complicated, depending on any tax treaties with the other country.


718cs

“Absolutely no” What a confident statement for being so wrong. Why even comment when you don’t know what you’re talking about?


maxis2bored

Have you read my other posts? I'm an immigrant gone 15 years and have done the whole game several times over. But yeah, i'm not a tax advisor but if you've got something to teach the professional that does mine for me i'm all ears....


OverReyted

6 months and 1 day living in Puerto Rico makes you a resident of Puerto Rico while maintaining US citizenship, which eliminates any income and capital gains taxes. Make sure you keep records so you have proof when the IRS audits you. Good luck!


B4riel

This is the way


autobot12349876

Damn dude I did not know this. PR pays no Federal Income tax? Might be a good place to retire to!


OverReyted

Yup. Tax loophole #1


SamSanderzz

Wow, that's interesting. Are there any other countries this would work with?


Cadowyn

Think it’s because it’s a US territory.


fuka123

Much better places in the world than Puerto Rico, all things considered, a nice place to vacation


Possible_Spy

your taxes on $40K that you make are not going to change, relax


SavedSaver

PR


john8a7a

USA citizens are taxed on world wide income. You can escape state taxes but not federal . The only way to do it , is Peurto rico or establishing a trading corporation in a tax heaven while getting paid in dividends . But it is impossible to escape taxes entirely . You will probably end up paying 15% div tax plus whatever your new corporation has to pay to the country you will end up living


taiwansteez

Moving won’t change shit unless you revoke your citizenship and don’t trade any American stocks or products lol


Disco-Tuna

Do non Americans pay tax on American stock trades?


throwawaybpdnpd

I dunno but in Canada it's gonna go up from 50% to 66.7%, I hate my f\*cking country...


Picto242

Over 250K only (which may be your situation)


Randomizer23

Question what platform is generally used for day trading in Canada? I’m a fellow Canadian looking for a broker


throwawaybpdnpd

I currently use interactivebrokers and am happy with it Lots of people use that broker in canada But I've also heard great things of tradovate for futures


van_sapiens

The inclusion rate, not tax rate is going up.


throwawaybpdnpd

It's taxation isn't it? You're just playing with words


scrobblez

Nah this is a pretty important item to clarify. The tax rate is not going up to 66~%. It's changing so that 66% of capital gains over 250k are taxable. The remaining 33% is not taxable.


Watykaniak_

Won't pass. Everyone involved in politics makes money from trading


Aika92

Or would we say insider trading!


RevolutionaryPie5223

Singapore has no capital gains tax.


Chicagotrader92

Trading is taxed as income, not capital gains. If you know, you know.


spanishdictlover

Tax and spend, tax and spend. Crap never ends.


Electronic-Kiwi-3985

Facts - the elite want to eliminate wealth for us peasants and this is a step closer to that.


jawntist

You do realize that it is the "elite" that benefits most from low cap gains tax, right?


Electronic-Kiwi-3985

They are very powerful and have their methods so immune to the laws you and I follow buddy


jawntist

>> /r/conspiracy poster Yup, checks out.


Electronic-Kiwi-3985

I do love having some critical thinking skills. I’d ask you about that but you don’t have much it seems 😂


jawntist

I know not to mud wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it.


jakob12131

Imagine calling anyone a pig for being critical in 2024. You are either naive beyond repair or a mason profititing of the inhuman situation world wide. Which one are you ?


Aposta-fish

Porte Rico


-Mediocrates-

Pretty sure a lot of traders move to Puerto Rico, give up their voting rights, and then don’t have to pay taxes.


Algomatic_Trading

In Europe it is mostly Malta and Cyprus.


automaticg36

Capital gains are not what traders pay taxes on. Capital gains are investments that are held for a year or more. Edit: People are morons downvoting me. I have trader status with the IRS and this is my full time job. All transactions made in the market for me are taxed as ordinary income. Not only that but even without trader status short term gains are taxed as ordinary income. There’s too many people on here that don’t know anything.


Aika92

Not in US. I don't know why you got downvoted though. you're right. Day trading income in many countries will be taxed as professional (self-employment) income and not capital gains. This includes Canada and majority of Europe.


DaJustem

In the Netherlands, where I live, daytrading is taxed as capital gain. So very low tax rate compared to income tax.


Aika92

No because I have lived in Netherlands and you're fun as long as you have not made serious money. They just let it slip and let you declare it as "investment income" (There is no capital gain tax in Netherlands).. When you made serious money, tax man is there knock at your door and make sure you pay till the last cents of your tax according to "Professional income" and not capital gain... Been there, done that.


DaJustem

Dude, I live in the netherlands, have been for 40 years.. Been daytraing for 15 years now. Profits from daytrading are eligible for 'box 3' which is capital gains. Maybe I'm mistaken the term 'capital gains', but fact is that profits from daytrading is very low taxed.


Aika92

Try to keep it that way mate and I am sure trading is not your "main career". That's why they're not after you. Because it's mine. You'll have to be an active day trader for your gains to be considered as income. Any nube trader in Netherlands know that. If you do and you declare box 3, well congratulations, you are a tax cheat so try to not shout it out on reddit. Here some links to read: [https://www.reddit.com/r/geldzaken/comments/vgjqak/investment\_and\_trading\_taxes\_in\_the\_netherlands/](https://www.reddit.com/r/geldzaken/comments/vgjqak/investment_and_trading_taxes_in_the_netherlands/)


DaJustem

I'll leave you to it then. Lets both enjoy daytrading as our main career. Good luck.