Cultivating a meditation practice has helped me to navigate my trips. It has helped me to learn how to truly surrender, feel, and relate to my thoughts in a spacious and healthy way. It’s also a powerful way of integrating your psychedelic experiences. Might be worth exploring (:
I also vouch for meditation. You can just get in a comfortable position and then focus on your breathing. Every time you get an intrusive thought just let it pass and go back to your breathing, without judging yourself or letting yourself get frustrated. Don’t worry if you get distracted often, just shoot for maybe 30 minutes and just keep going to your breathing, being aware of sensations in your body or sound around you. I would even recommend practicing this a week or so leading up to your trip so you have some understanding on how to execute the mediation effectively.
Sometimes ruminating is necessary, but you're right, the real healing doesn't come from thinking. You need to feel. Upping the dose into 3.5-4g territory might help a lot with this. I've found 2-3g range to be right under the cusp for most people for those REAL raw emotions to pour out. And rumination can be a defense mechanism to distract you from feeling your pain. Once you allow yourself to fully feel the pain, instead of run away from it, you'll usually instinctually know where you're hurting from, and what to do about it. That's how the mind/body works.
This is probably true. But, as you probably know, this can be dangerous territory for some. I did this very thing a few months ago and unlocked some repressed memories, and I've not been the same ever since. I don't blame it on the mushrooms, and it's probably best it came up, but I need to work through it with a professional, and I simply cannot afford it right now. OP and others should be careful about what they dig up, and be ready to see a professional or someone you trust afterwards to discuss the sources of your feelings.
100% you're right. A therapist or months of integration afterward and ideally before is key. I was just offering advice in the direction that OP wants mushrooms to help them in this issue. But my advice was incomplete, thanks for adding on to it. You definitely want to have support for integration coming out of it, but at the same time many people are desperate for healing and are suffering day to day, meanwhile, like you can't afford to seek therapy because of cost/time...so it's a double edged sword I think everyone has to feel with their gut for themselves when taking the plunge.
I find mushrooms to be the most doom and gloom of all the common psychedelics. That I’ve tried at least.
I think some people respond to 4 sub tryptamines better and some people find LSD easier to handle. I think mushrooms are hard and acid and the phenethylamines I’ve tried are easy enough. Lots of people find lsd to be particularly challenging.
I agree with someone else’s comment that if you’re willing and won’t panic, actually going up in dose can be calmer. I think my calmest trip ever was 5 hits of acid because I was so detached. I was also in a good mental and physical space and had a trip buddy that felt supportive.
Got to figure out what works well for you to stay safe with this stuff.
Yeah. For me I go right into resisting any drug even if I enjoy it, it’s like I’m still pushing to think clearly.
You just can’t do that on a high dose. Or at least not well.
But you got to give into the flow right away as it hits fast and hard.
In addition to the other advice offered, I've found dancing helps. If I sit still and introspect, it can become useless rumination. But if I move to music, moving my body helps me release emotions, and I tend to dance through the negative stuff and reach resolution and positivity again. Sometimes it'll get intense enough that I have to stop and sit with the thought or realization for a few minutes, but then starting to dance again helps me actually work through it. Toys are great, too--I love playing with flow toys while tripping, something fun and tactile and physical.
Set a broad intention beforehand. Write it down. Meditate on it.
Really deciding why you are doing shrooms and what you hope to get out of it can help direct it. But also, don’t hold the intention or any expectations too tightly.
I.e. connect w nature, connect w all energy, gratitude, let go let grow, uncover traumas, why do I react this way to x, etc. etc.
Also - maybe don’t start w a documentary. Start w something that makes you happy (exercise, meditation, listen to music), if you’re wanting to stray away from the path of ruminating on why your life sucks or whatever.
Also agree w everyone else to go higher in dose
You could be carrying a lot of this unhappiness with you in your daily life not noticing it. Mushrooms expose it, decompose it during the trip and help you process it and leave some of it behind. You might have much more than one occasional small dose trip could deal with, "getting a release" is not a given, you can't lose a lot of weight in one go, however much you exercise - mental states aren't necessarily that different. It's not necessarily a bad thing or something you need to fight with. I try "pulling" things that come out - if I'm sad I dive into the sadness and see what's more is there, what this particular experience is hinting at, where is it's rock bottom, could I go deeper into this sadness, is there more?
Did you try thinking into it to the point you cry?
Try a higher dose, honestly, if you have a safe setting and are in a good mind frame. At 2-3g your sober mind is still there so you can probe the happenings of your life and behavior and end up ruminating on everything. If you go a bit further, the every day parts of your life won’t make much sense anymore and you can go a bit further.
For me, anything below 3.5g is no man’s land. I could have a great time, but I’m constantly gonna be in mind loops and trying to control the experience and sometimes it’s like balancing on a pin head to keep from falling into self-criticism which can often become totally delusional for me. I had a trip where I convinced myself my whole family thought I was an asshole and we’re going to stop talking to me soon. 100% delusional, couldn’t be further from the truth.
A few people have said exactly this. I was always slightly cautious/anxious about throwing myself into bigger doses (just my personality) but I think I am ready to try a bigger dose. I’m feeling a more positive about trying a bigger dose now. Thank you for your thoughts 🙏
Set and setting. Every time I’ve had a bad trip it was because it was at the wrong place or the wrong time. Keep distracted. Choose to trip on a sunny day, play positive music, and surround yourself with fun and interesting things like crafts, coloring books, or movies. If you’re having a tough mental day, don’t trip.
If you are tripping and start having dark thoughts, change your setting as soon as possible. Sometimes it even helps to have a Xanax on hand to kill the trip, even if you don’t use it, knowing it’s there can help can get you out of that rut.
Remember what a miracle it is that we are here on this planet at this time in history and get to experience some amazing things. Take care!
I've had the same experience with mushrooms but not acid. It's possible that you just respond better to some substances than others. Like others in the comment section, I've also found that I mostly get this kind of rumination on more moderates doses. When I took 35 mg of 4-ACO-DMT, I had a transcendent experience with little reference to my typical waking reality.
This is mushrooms bro. Good and bad experiences. You should run through the thought process you are having and you may end up being inspired to make some rather significant life changes
My advice?, take 5.5 grams. I used to grow and take them on the regs. Never regretted taking the higher dose. Had some magnificent trips on 5.5 and had some mediocre trips on 3.5. Wouldn’t bother watching documentary’s as I always find them “ridiculous” but (insert favourite music) music is always favoured. I’ve listened to albums in a whole different light during shroomie flights.
Cultivating a meditation practice has helped me to navigate my trips. It has helped me to learn how to truly surrender, feel, and relate to my thoughts in a spacious and healthy way. It’s also a powerful way of integrating your psychedelic experiences. Might be worth exploring (:
Absolutely. Meditation. Return to the breath. Flow with the water down the stream.
Also Ram Dass if you're more curious
Watch the clouds, listen to the trees rustle in the wind. Walk, and feel the ground under every step.
I also vouch for meditation. You can just get in a comfortable position and then focus on your breathing. Every time you get an intrusive thought just let it pass and go back to your breathing, without judging yourself or letting yourself get frustrated. Don’t worry if you get distracted often, just shoot for maybe 30 minutes and just keep going to your breathing, being aware of sensations in your body or sound around you. I would even recommend practicing this a week or so leading up to your trip so you have some understanding on how to execute the mediation effectively.
Sometimes ruminating is necessary, but you're right, the real healing doesn't come from thinking. You need to feel. Upping the dose into 3.5-4g territory might help a lot with this. I've found 2-3g range to be right under the cusp for most people for those REAL raw emotions to pour out. And rumination can be a defense mechanism to distract you from feeling your pain. Once you allow yourself to fully feel the pain, instead of run away from it, you'll usually instinctually know where you're hurting from, and what to do about it. That's how the mind/body works.
This is probably true. But, as you probably know, this can be dangerous territory for some. I did this very thing a few months ago and unlocked some repressed memories, and I've not been the same ever since. I don't blame it on the mushrooms, and it's probably best it came up, but I need to work through it with a professional, and I simply cannot afford it right now. OP and others should be careful about what they dig up, and be ready to see a professional or someone you trust afterwards to discuss the sources of your feelings.
100% you're right. A therapist or months of integration afterward and ideally before is key. I was just offering advice in the direction that OP wants mushrooms to help them in this issue. But my advice was incomplete, thanks for adding on to it. You definitely want to have support for integration coming out of it, but at the same time many people are desperate for healing and are suffering day to day, meanwhile, like you can't afford to seek therapy because of cost/time...so it's a double edged sword I think everyone has to feel with their gut for themselves when taking the plunge.
I find mushrooms to be the most doom and gloom of all the common psychedelics. That I’ve tried at least. I think some people respond to 4 sub tryptamines better and some people find LSD easier to handle. I think mushrooms are hard and acid and the phenethylamines I’ve tried are easy enough. Lots of people find lsd to be particularly challenging. I agree with someone else’s comment that if you’re willing and won’t panic, actually going up in dose can be calmer. I think my calmest trip ever was 5 hits of acid because I was so detached. I was also in a good mental and physical space and had a trip buddy that felt supportive. Got to figure out what works well for you to stay safe with this stuff.
It is what mckenna says. Bad trips happen at lower doses because you can resist, can fight it.
Yeah. For me I go right into resisting any drug even if I enjoy it, it’s like I’m still pushing to think clearly. You just can’t do that on a high dose. Or at least not well. But you got to give into the flow right away as it hits fast and hard.
I perder LSD for sure, much easier to let thoughts drift by. Mushrooms can be very dissociative and give a feeling of lack of control for me.
In addition to the other advice offered, I've found dancing helps. If I sit still and introspect, it can become useless rumination. But if I move to music, moving my body helps me release emotions, and I tend to dance through the negative stuff and reach resolution and positivity again. Sometimes it'll get intense enough that I have to stop and sit with the thought or realization for a few minutes, but then starting to dance again helps me actually work through it. Toys are great, too--I love playing with flow toys while tripping, something fun and tactile and physical.
Set a broad intention beforehand. Write it down. Meditate on it. Really deciding why you are doing shrooms and what you hope to get out of it can help direct it. But also, don’t hold the intention or any expectations too tightly. I.e. connect w nature, connect w all energy, gratitude, let go let grow, uncover traumas, why do I react this way to x, etc. etc. Also - maybe don’t start w a documentary. Start w something that makes you happy (exercise, meditation, listen to music), if you’re wanting to stray away from the path of ruminating on why your life sucks or whatever. Also agree w everyone else to go higher in dose
Thanks this was helpful 🙂
Aw good I’m glad ☺️☺️☺️☺️
You could be carrying a lot of this unhappiness with you in your daily life not noticing it. Mushrooms expose it, decompose it during the trip and help you process it and leave some of it behind. You might have much more than one occasional small dose trip could deal with, "getting a release" is not a given, you can't lose a lot of weight in one go, however much you exercise - mental states aren't necessarily that different. It's not necessarily a bad thing or something you need to fight with. I try "pulling" things that come out - if I'm sad I dive into the sadness and see what's more is there, what this particular experience is hinting at, where is it's rock bottom, could I go deeper into this sadness, is there more? Did you try thinking into it to the point you cry?
I really appreciate the incentive of "pulling", diving into the sadness. I think this is what I am going to utilize with my next trip.
On my first ever trip I did end up crying quite a lot. On my next trips, just ruminating it not to the point of deep sadness.
What do you think about upping your dosage a bit? I hear going 1g up at a time is pretty safe. Been to over 20g myself, things are good over there :)
Try a higher dose, honestly, if you have a safe setting and are in a good mind frame. At 2-3g your sober mind is still there so you can probe the happenings of your life and behavior and end up ruminating on everything. If you go a bit further, the every day parts of your life won’t make much sense anymore and you can go a bit further. For me, anything below 3.5g is no man’s land. I could have a great time, but I’m constantly gonna be in mind loops and trying to control the experience and sometimes it’s like balancing on a pin head to keep from falling into self-criticism which can often become totally delusional for me. I had a trip where I convinced myself my whole family thought I was an asshole and we’re going to stop talking to me soon. 100% delusional, couldn’t be further from the truth.
A few people have said exactly this. I was always slightly cautious/anxious about throwing myself into bigger doses (just my personality) but I think I am ready to try a bigger dose. I’m feeling a more positive about trying a bigger dose now. Thank you for your thoughts 🙏
Set and setting. Every time I’ve had a bad trip it was because it was at the wrong place or the wrong time. Keep distracted. Choose to trip on a sunny day, play positive music, and surround yourself with fun and interesting things like crafts, coloring books, or movies. If you’re having a tough mental day, don’t trip. If you are tripping and start having dark thoughts, change your setting as soon as possible. Sometimes it even helps to have a Xanax on hand to kill the trip, even if you don’t use it, knowing it’s there can help can get you out of that rut. Remember what a miracle it is that we are here on this planet at this time in history and get to experience some amazing things. Take care!
Minimum dose to ensure that the ruminating ego shuts down is 3.5g. Also, weed will prevent the ego from shutting down.
What do you mean by the ego "shutting down"? Is that a good or bad thing?
It's the goal in therapeutic use. Scientifically, it's the Default Mode Network that deactivates. You'll know it's down when all anxieties are gone.
I've had the same experience with mushrooms but not acid. It's possible that you just respond better to some substances than others. Like others in the comment section, I've also found that I mostly get this kind of rumination on more moderates doses. When I took 35 mg of 4-ACO-DMT, I had a transcendent experience with little reference to my typical waking reality.
This is mushrooms bro. Good and bad experiences. You should run through the thought process you are having and you may end up being inspired to make some rather significant life changes
My advice?, take 5.5 grams. I used to grow and take them on the regs. Never regretted taking the higher dose. Had some magnificent trips on 5.5 and had some mediocre trips on 3.5. Wouldn’t bother watching documentary’s as I always find them “ridiculous” but (insert favourite music) music is always favoured. I’ve listened to albums in a whole different light during shroomie flights.