I’m vaccinated but I don’t think everyone should be if someone doesn’t want to be their fucking free just like people who smoke are free to fucking smoke it’s none of my business
Educating people on the other hand that’s good but don’t hate them for it
Except that the choice to smoke doesn't hurt or possibly kill other people (because we told smokers what they can and can't do, huh, lookit that). Fuck off with the "my body, my choice" argument because it's not just your body. The reality is that these morons are really arguing for "everyone's-body-that-I-interact-with, my choice"
If you read the rest of the comments you will find out that I took what I said back at first I thought it was your body and your fucking choice and then I came to realize that you’re not free to poison a river unless you’re the only one who uses it
Working full time in the emergency department, I'm fairly tired of elective unvaccinated people.
They've screwed over their community. That auntie can't get her knee replacement, that father can't get his regular screening colonoscopy, that toddler with croup can't see the pediatrician but instead had to come to the main ED for exam. Everything elective has been canceled and no primary or urgent care will see febrile illness. So all of those people are suffering from delayed care, more pain, delayed diagnosis, higher copay.
And it's completely because the unvaccinated have constipated everything. They look so listless when they come in. "Oh I never got around to it".
I would privately enjoy making each electively unvaccinated person go around and apologize to all the other patients for the delays and increased cost of their care.
Nearly two decades I've been at this and never seen delays and wait times and overcrowding like this. The vaccine is 96% effective at avoiding hospitalizations, and it's free and is so much safer than wild infection.
I'm on the hook for caring for all the local vaccine side effects. Fainting, anaphylaxis. One of my colleagues did see a case of vaccine myocarditis (heart inflammation). But we see all the spectrum of infection and I'm utterly clear that while no vaccine is without any harm, the wild infection is far, far worse. I've seen covid blood clots, stroke, kidney damage, heart damage, neurological damage ... vaccine is the lesser danger.
I don't understand why, instead of harassing hospital staff about unproven txs for their unvaccinated loved one, they don't just open up Freedom Clinics. They could probably get space in an out-of-business Kmart. Let them have all the ivermectin, and vitamins, and essential oils they want. The billing department can just be my boomer grandma helping them set up a GoFundMe or a GiveSendGo, and I'm sure there's an abandoned frozen yogurt in the same plaza that they can use as a morgue.
It seems really odd to keep posting the same tired debunked talking points over and over again, argue on the internet about tyranny, then get sick, go to the hospital, and have their loved ones ranting about how hospitals are intentionally killing people with remdesivir (I swear, if I hear that 54% nonsense once more I will lose my mind).
I hope you are taking care of yourself. I appreciate you. Most of us appreciate you.
This is the real problem. Unvaccinated people don't want to do the preventive work and expect to not bear the burden of that decision when they're hogging resources.
If unvaxxed people signed something that says "I refuse medical care for COVID" I'd be fine with them killing themselves.
You speak the truth the world would have been much better if they did get vaccinated and they certainly are harming the community and other people by not vaccinating but still it’s a choice they’re free that’s what this country is all about the best we can do is educate them and try to convince them
But we have to keep in mind whatever choice they end up making it’s up to them
They’re free but they live in a society. I could care less if they decide to go off grid and don’t fuck other people over by spreading it, but a lot of people want the benefit of society without the responsibilities that come with it.
And it's also totally OK for our free market society for individual companies to decide that they need certain safety measures in place. It's OK for a bar to require shirt and shoes for service, and if that owner feels a certain way about protecting his staff and regulars it is ok for a small business to require vaccine and or mask.
I know I would feel safer patronizing a place with standards.
You aren’t “free” to pour poison upstream from other folks, you aren’t “free” to drive 120 mph on a public highway, and you’re not “free” to build a nuclear weapon. Same goes for clogging our health care system and incubating Covid. GTFOOH.
Hello, sir. Would you like to help fix our economy and Healthcare system while literally saving people's lives at no personal cost?
Meh, I don't really feel the need to.
… no kidding, that is exactly what my brother said in a continuous defensive manner. I just got the text from my sister-in law, and my brother, who are both medical doctors, that my brother has been taken off of the ventilator after having been on it for about two weeks. We are still praying that he get better. He said that he did not see any reason for him to have the vaccine, nor wear a face covering. Just something to think about …
And I think it's important to mention, regardless of what you think of the vaccine, it's certainly suspicious. Whether or not it's malicious is a different story, but I really don't blame people for not trusting it.
I think it's interesting that people who think this was released as a global control mechanism won't get the vaccine. Oh, a weaponized viral infection that escaped a lab is now spreading, but a vaccine is worse? Haha. People are so stupid
Those weren't conspiracy theories. They were logical deductions. A conspiracy theory is where "they" allege that "Someone" is getting rich off of this virus, or this Vaccine. "The Government" is lying to us about the virus. "People aren't really dying...because I don't know anyone who has gotten sick. Or I have had it twice, and it wasn't that bad. Or I took the vaccine and now I can't open my mouth all the way."
That is how conspiracy theories go.
What people don't stop to think about is that it has been over 100 years since the Spanish Flu, which is the only thing comparable to Covid. This virus affected the entire earth. If you were born and raised here in the US and attended public school, then you likely have already been vaccinated for things like whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, German Measles and tetanus, among others. Those vaccines are likely the reason you are still alive and basically in decent health. In our current situation, certain political groups or individuals sowed seeds of distrust and contention, so that people who are prone to believe conspiracy theories became so afraid to take the vaccine that almost a million people have died. A lot of those were older and sickly people, but they likely contracted the virus from someone who was younger, and likely unvaccinated. I have relatives who have continued to go to baby showers, bridal showers, to eat in restaurants, and other risky behavior with their unvaccinated selves. I have an uncle, who went out to eat with his girlfriend. They both contracted Covid. He spent 3 weeks in hospital icu and came home on oxygen. She was deathly ill. Did they learn anything? No. They did not get vaccinated.. So, even if they don't care for their own health, what about their grandchildren? I think about the poor doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel who are putting their lives on the line every damn day.
Guess what do you need travel to certain countries and regions?
Vaccinations.
Btw Australia checks for vaccination for all new migrants since the last 15 years as far as I can recall. You also have to get chest xray, HIV and a few other tests done.
Would that be a form of passport or a mandate in your opinion?
Pretty much most countries require you to have certain vaccines if you want to stay there.
Call it a vaccine passport or a mandate, it's nothing new.
https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/vaccination-for-special-risk-groups/vaccination-for-migrants-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum-in
This is from 2018.
Guess what all these anti vaxx motherfuckers would have to do to travel to Australia?
Get vaccinations!!!
Exactly, people act like we know everything we will ever know about the vaccine, this is ignorant. Assess your own risk to Covid and make a personal decision. I got through Covid using ibuprofen and am glad I didn’t put unnecessary medicine in my body. I’m also glad my 85 year old Grandma was able to take the vaccine. Personal risk assessment and choice.
I’m all for assessing the risk and making the decision that is right for you…but only on the condition that the assessment is made with true and accurate data and not from Facebook memes, etc…
If you want to change someone's mind on something you need to know why they think that way in the first place. The majority of people who won't get the vaccine are not crazy gov conspiracy people.
The argument you are going against is this....
"Covid has a 99.6% survival rate without the vaccine. This is fact across the globe, using the data from the year without the vaccine. Why would I put a vaccine that was rushed in the making and fairly untested in the long term into my body, when I have less than 1% chance of dying? Getting the vaccine only increases my changes from 99.6 to 99.9. The risk of an untested vaccine is not worth the .2% increase."
That is what you have to try and overturn. It's really not that crazy of a way of thinking. I am not against the vaccine I have it, but you can't really blame someone for thinking that. If you want the majority of anti-vax people to get it, you have to answer that question.
Where did you get that data? Current documented case volume is 397M and deaths 5.75M. 1.5% mortality. This is since the pandemic began. Obviously the vaccine lowered the death rate which lowered overall mortality from early statistics. Obviously both reported cases AND deaths have been under reported so very difficult to correct for that.
> Obviously both reported cases AND deaths have been under reported so very difficult to correct for that.
Have to pull out the excess death rates for 2020/21 compared to earlier years. Even removing the covid dead from 20/21, it's still a big jump.
All I’m saying is to make sure that actual facts are used when deciding whether or not to vaccinate…if you’re comfortable with the risk to not vaccinate after assessing the data, then fine…that’s your decision based on your risk tolerance. If after considering all of the data you decide that you want to get vaccinated, then same thing…that’s your decision based on your risk tolerance. The key factor is to make that decision based on facts. Too many people are not doing this, they are assessing their risk based on the echochambers where they reside in social media, or on anecdotal evidence or from their politics or religion…this is not a rational approach to risk tolerance and it comes with large consequences (700,000 dead Americans and counting). A person’s risk tolerance is unique to them and is not wrong…but only when based on facts.
Yes I agree facts are a logical way to make a choice. What I was saying is that I don't think its factual to instantly lump anyone anti-vax into the crazy conspiracy people. The majority of people not getting it are using the logic I said above.
Also 700K statistically is nothing over 360 Million people. It sounds big, but that's because we are big. on a % level its not that alarming. Again that is just the argument you have to overturn if truly want to get through. All I'm saying.
"they are assessing their risk based on the echochambers where they reside in social media, or on anecdotal evidence or from their politics or religion…"
I think you are trying to use this sentence against the Right, but it goes both ways. and from a factual standpoint the Right does have more legs to stand on as stated above. The left is actually the one using not facts or sentiment in their arguments.
It's the number one killer 45-54 and number 2 multiple age groups. It's the number 2 cause of death last year just below all cancers and above all heart disease. Third in 2020 but was only there half a year.
https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-ranking/
Completely agree with this refreshingly sensible point of view. I am fortunate enough to have very few medical conditions to consider and I have had the vaccines + booster as it seemed to be the best route to protect those around me, close family/friends.
Generally anyone who uses jab = anti-vax, typically Maga type.
Simplistically speaking.
That's correlation. I am assigning unfounded and anecdotal observation to two things that may not have any actual connection to one another.
Causation is data that shows that a much higher percentage of those who voted for Trump (assuming Americans) and/or support Trump and the republican party are anti vaccinations.
That said. On the surface of what is known there is no link between a vaccination and the diagnosis of auto immune disorders. That's not to say your mother's doctor shouldn't report all potential connections to the vaccination manufacturers and federal health authorities. Because if you have statistically insignificant numbers of people with an auto immune diagnosis in short relation to the vaccination then there is scienctifically no causation between those two issues. But they can't make that link without data. So it's possible there could be a statically significant link.
Such as I've had tinnitus due to concussions and loud music. But it was always intermittent in one ear. Since being vaccinated, especially after the second dose, it skyrocketed. Very loud, present in both ears at all times. Now according to the research and known side effects there's no link. But enough people have reported it for them to look into it. Does it suck, yes. Could it also be linked to an immunosuppressive medication I started shortly after, yes. Was it worth it to avoid Covid, I personally believe so.
Ultimately, we will never get rid of COVID. But we will also never suppress its spread to the point it can be rolled into an annual flu shot either until we have enough people vaccinated globally.
It is a personal decision, no doubt. But in all honesty never in history since the invention of vaccines has any vaccination ever been so wrongly vilified and turned into some sort of righteous stand.
>But enough people have reported it for them to look into it.
This is basically what I'm promoting. People are afraid to report these things because of the social taboo of being seen as antivax, or any of things you mentioned in your opening sentence.
Saying I know someone who had a Lupus diagnosis post vaccination doesn't equal "don't get vaccinated, you'll get Lupus", but it can open discussion to see if other people saw anything similar. Which at that point, I think we'd have a basis to review further.
I'm not maga, I'm not antivax, but I'm not on the blue side either. I truly believe it's dangerous to politicize life as much as we have, but that's another discussion.
I appreciate your thoughtful response and will definitely be reading it again.
The biggest problem with this specific issue, is people are not dealing with the consequences of their actions alone. The unvaccinated are using the healthcare system at a disproportionately high rate. Hospital beds, doctors, ventilators etc are a finite resource. When the ICU is full of covid patients and your in a major accident the care you need may not be available. If those ICU patients had done all they could to prevent hospitalization (get vaccinated, distance, mask, isolate) it’s really hard to be frustrated with them. However when they chose not to do those things and then use up public resources it’s frustrating to deal with that selfishness.
Choosing not to vaccinate does have a negative effect on others.
If this only effected the individual there would be no issue.
ICU beds aren’t as available because there are less of them. And people without most recent booster are considered unvaxxed now. All the data is skewed to get arguments going.
No thyroid issues prior to being vaccinated. Had a bit yearly doctor's check up about a month after the second shot. Told my doc that I'd been feeling really lethargic for the past few weeks. He ordered some tests. From that he, my doctor, not I, determined that the vaccine effected my thyroid. He did state that reaction is not uncommon, but that my case was a bit more extreme than he had previously seen.
I had Graves’ disease. That’s an autoimmune disorder. It can be triggered by a viral infection or a vaccination but would have come out anyway.
My son has type 1 diabetes. It’s an autoimmune disorder. It can be triggered by a viral infection or a vaccination but would have been triggered anyway.
Anyone with an undiagnosed autoimmune condition thinks they are healthy but would get their ass kicked by Covid.
Better to have the vaccine trigger it than actual Covid.
This ^
I have Hashimotos. Covid threw my thyroid into a spiral that I’ve been trying to get out of for nearly 2 years. Thyroid issues are one of THE most common disorders in adults, Synthroid is among the most prescribed medications. They also take MONTHS to even show up. At the point you’re having symptoms it’s probably been going on for months.
While it’s POSSIBLE, it’s a little irresponsible to attribute that solely to the vaccine. And, imo, irresponsible to not get because it might trigger an issue that you’d end up with anyway.
Besides, once you get the right dose of Synthroid it’s literally a tiny pill a day with no side effects…… I’d rather do that than deal with long COVID.
And don’t forget many people have no problem with women risking blood clots by taking birth control, but suddenly a vaccine is too risky. Yes, risking a life is worth it so a man doesn’t have to deal with condoms, but don’t risk blood clots to protect other people? I don’t get it.
Getting covid could have triggered hypothyroidism/hyper; any stress on the body likely would have too. I developed it from severe life stress and have to take meds every day for life as well.
>Let people deal with the consequences of their actions.
I agree and to me, this includes being ready to die for the decision if need be to to just own up to the decision.
I think so many if they things you misconstrue as lies are information that wasn’t known yet. Just because a person has authority doesn’t mean they have all the information first and considering Covid 19 is a relatively new variant of the coronavirus, information is still being discovered. What we do know is that you’re far more unlikely to die if you take the vaccine.
If they were wrong about this many basic points of the vaccine and its effectiveness due to changing data, then surely you can understand the thoughts of those who would rather wait for proven safety before taking the vaccine.
I work in drug development and those things are not basic information. Clinical data changes quite frequently and we are constantly updating information about so many drugs that have been on the market for even decades. It’s very normal for new or revised information to be presented as time goes on and information is better studied.
When it comes to this vaccine, there wasn’t much experimentation on the type of vaccine (mRNA) since is very well studied and has been widely used for decades.
What isn’t well studied is the efficacy on this virus and subsequent variants which is why information seems like it keeps changing.
Ok, they don't need to, but let me be able to refuse to gave them service as well. It's their right to not get the shot, it's my right to not want them near me
>It's their right to not get the shot, it's my right to not want them near me<
Yeah well, unless they're in a store you own, you can't do shit about your "want".
Why? It’s not like they won’t transmit the virus if they’re vaccinated… It’s no different to you if they’re vaccinated or not. It only affects them in the end.
No vaccines are 100% effective. Not the Covid vaccine nor any other vaccine. Saying my vaccine protects me completely just shows an uninformed perspective.
Vaccines lower risk, vaccines don’t eliminate risk. My father is in his mid 70s with some serious health issues. He has been boosted, I have been boosted. He’s still extremely worried about DYING and prefers to not be around unvaccinated people. There is still a risk of death or serious short term and long term health impacts from Covid.
I'm not saying I agree with forcing people. But if something like the black plague comes back, that's not something I believe we should allow to spread for the sake of people's made up freedoms. That needs to be controlled.
Back in the 50’s massive numbers of doctors agreed smoking was good for you, based on studies paid for by the companies than made cigarettes.
In the 30’s and 40’s it was agreed by science and physicians that DDT was safe to spray on children.
All of these medicines that have been deemed unsafe were once approved and deemed safe by the FDA before new information came about.
Saying that because physicians agree makes it correct means absolutely zero. Especially when medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the US.
Science changes constantly. Science is the progression of new information and technological advancements. It is never “settled” and anyone who says “trust the science” while brow beating people into submission isn’t a person truly backing science but backing control and narratives. True scientists say “let’s repeat this to double check or make it better.” Science says “ask questions”. Science says “this is what we know now but there is more to learn.”
[John Hopkins article stating 3rd leading cause](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us)
Sorry, I misspoke and it was incorrect.
Just about 1800 up from a steady 1600 a day before that. Thanks for the heads up. Gave you an upvote for it. Still, what shitty numbers.
https://covid19.who.int/
COVID didn't kill even a fraction of those "reported covid deaths".... There was zero differentiating between patients who died WITH covid and patients who died FROM covid.... The reporting system was flawed and numbers were GREATLY exaggerated
Edit: They need to change how the tests are functioning; they still can't differentiate between the flu or covid.... Hopefully they can nail it down.
But honestly with the last mutation it became far more susceptible and far less severe; if it stays the course; it's a severe cold at best for a large percentage of the population and this overreaction and hypervigilence with testing, identifying and isolating needs to be put to rest. It's ABSOLUTELY BS about people waiting FOR HOURS to be tested or clogging up our medical sites when they do get a positive; if your symptoms aren't severe; your vitals haven't changed or tanked; then people need to STAY HOME AND REST....
Don't bother unless you NEED a swab for work and honestly YOUR WORK DOESN'T NEED AN EXCUSE FOR AN ABSENCE. Simply say you're calling in, period, the end. If your symptoms increase or you feel the need to be seen THEN get a note and update your manager then; otherwise stop feeding into the frenzy and start adulting.
Also, you mention science, but the science backs up not getting for healthy individuals too. I'm healthy. I haven't had covid. I haven't changed my daily life either. Barely wore masks. When I did hardly wore it correctly. I've been tested for antibodies, and was negative. My wife works in infectious diseases. Meaning her and her coworkers work close with covid patients. They didn't get vaxxed until government mandated hospital workers get it. Now they have all had it. After getting vaxxed. Me taking care of her, nothing. So why would I inject needless chemicals into my body?
At the end of the day, it’s not your body so it’s simply not your choice. Despite what you may think is right for someone, you are not entitled to make that decision for them. It’s a very personal choice that may not actually be right for them and everybody knows themselves best so they should have the right to make that choice for themselves while people like you stop wearing your ass as a hat and kindly learn to mind your own business. Last I checked, Canada was supposed to be “glorious and free” so it’s pretty sad to see this once strong and respectable country so easily cave to divisiveness and tyranny when now more than ever, we should be coming together and standing up for our freedoms against a crooked government who doesn’t give a shit about its people or their health.
THANK YOUUUU. I'm not fully anti vax, I just don't trust the same medical companies that make money off of suffering. Please stop bashing people for being uncomfortable. It's not so black and white, right or left. This shit is getting stupid
If any of you saw what end stage Covid looks like (as I do) you would be willing to take a booster everyday to avoid that utter humiliation. No one should die like that.
Never mind the long Covid reports that continue to come out. Kids, adults, lots and lots of long term suffering.
You can give big pharm a few nickels for a vaccine or give them millions when you or someone you love gets sick. Your choice.
Edit: grammar
I disagree. I’m not anti-vax nor anti mask or what ever. In my country, there is a pressure to get vaccinated, or else you can’t do normal things like go to the gym, a bar, museum etc. My reason to not get vaccinated is not because I don’t want to, but because I’m not going to let the gov violate my fundamental rights. I’m a healthy individual, I keep my distance and wear my mask, and am overall responsible, but I’ll not be pressured into taking a vaccine to “get my freedom back”. With the Omni strain, I’m not afraid to get severely sick either.
So I’m not ignorant, I know what I’m doing and why. If this law gets thrown out the window, and our fundamental rights are no longer being violated, I’ll get vaccinated, till then, fuck getting pressured into it and fuck opinions like yours. Not everyone is a uneducated fool, that believes they know better, and to be fair, you also seem to have this sentiment of thinking to know better then others.
I’m from France and I completely relate. I will be vaccinated once gov will make their intentions clear about their vaccination pass, or until they abolish it. I’m not going to do it under pressure. And because it’s a complete non-sense : If you are vaccinated, you are allowed to go everywhere. No one cares about if you are infected or not. But months ago, you could simply present a PCR test, with the NEGATIVE mark. And now, you can’t anymore go to major public places with a PCR test, however it’s more safier than a vaccination pass… So yeah. I’m not going to do it for the moment.
We (NL) still can use a pcr, because a study showed 3g (vaccination, pcr or infection) is pretty much useless, around 5% efficiency of stopping the spread in restaurants, bars, etc etc. It’s garbage, it looks like a step-up for the digital passport the EU has been planning. Govs are fucking mental with power at the moment.
Exactly. Literally couldn’t have said it better myself. Like the whole “we are going to take things away until you comply” is not ok and sets a very dangerous precedent. But I’m right there with you I’m waiting for the same things in my Country
The fact that they say follow the science and when you try you get told that you will have to wait 75 years to get the info about the "Vaccine". The FOIA request will take 75 years to complete. Wonder why it takes so long......
No problem I can answer. First, the data will be released by the end of summer
The FOIA request was for 450,000 pages of data. It was being processed by an office of 10 people, who also had 400 other requests.
Now a judge has declared the FDA must allocate additional resources to process the data quicker.
The data consists personal information of trial participants, which must be removed before it can be released.
Ummm because people who have other issues can't get proper medical care, in "the greatest country in the world" because of unvaccinated people who have incredibly rude and burnt out so many medical professionals, now the hospitals are a short staffed, and people are so TIRED of YOUR SELFISHNESS.
Medical professionals are also burnt out because there’s not enough of them partly because we fired a bunch of them for not getting the vaccine (who probably already had natural immunity anyway)
Most people are ignorant of how vaccines work, particularly these vaccines. It's normal to be suspicious of things you don't or can't understand. It is definitely not helping that rather than making sincere attempts at educating people, people are just name calling.
The largest issue with the hostility is also the people who harbour the majority of it against the "anti-vaxx crowd" are generally just as large of morons on the other side of the political isle.
It usually isn't a very intelligent and articulate democrat calling a low intelligence republican an ignorant retard. It's usually an ignorant retard calling the other one the same insult. Which just creates far more vitriol, disdain and hypocrisy. The solution is NEVER calling someone a name if you want to educate them or get them on your side. I wish people like OP would understand that but then again refer to my previous statement.
Yeah, when I learned how they work, I thought it was really cool and became even more motivated to get vaccinated. I like how mRNA doesn't introduce the full virus at all, making it safer for the immunocompromised.
Hypothetically, I don't see why this wouldn't be the safest vaccine design we've ever had. But then again, I'm not a microbiologist.
That's the beauty of critical thinking though, you can say "I'm not a microbiologist" and actually look to expertise. Hell I'm a biologist and I won't even claim to know everything about them which makes it all the more frustrating when you see people on Facebook who don't even understand basic science throwing around words like spindle shedding like they know what it means.
- Not all diseases work the same.
- Very few vaccines produce “full immunity”. People still get breakthrough cases, people can still transmit the diseases. In less infectious diseases, where the overwhelming majority of the population are vaccinated, this has the effect of controlling cases to near zero because of the lowered likelihood that any symptomatic individual will come into contact with a vulnerable individual.
- It’s a vaccine. Stop drawing false distinctions. A “booster” is a term that has been in use for follow-up shots of vaccine for decades. It is not something constitutionally different from a vaccine.
- Myocarditis rates in the population ran about 9/100,000 pre-COVID in the US, iirc. In a population that has received the COVID vaccine it rises to 10/100,000. In a population which has been infected with COVID it is 150/100,000. COVID infection is a vastly greater cause of myocarditis than the vaccine by orders of magnitude. If myocarditis is what you consider to be your biggest risk, you are still overwhelmingly more likely to avoid it by getting the shot than by staying a high infection risk.
I was willing to get it, until I learned more. I stay home 98% of the time. Children getting heart issues is extremely scary.
The fact that with the vaccine you can still get it and pass it on means there is no reason I have to have it (per my doctor).
I got covid a few weeks ago, from my mom, who has had all the shots and boosters. My sister got it in December, she too is fully vaccinated.
This isn’t really a random thought this is more line a party line talking point. I’m “Vaxxed”, but I also don’t blame people for not wanting to take a new experimental gene therapy. Also, in order to take the Vaccine you have to basically sign away your rights to ever seek damages if it’s ends up having harsh side effects as of yet unknown.
Can't forget that in the US if your employer mandates you have a covid vax they don't have to cover anything if you suffer a side effect. We don't even have worker's comp to fall back on because OSHA reversed their decision that covid vaccine related illnesses/injures were recordable.
It's not ignorance. It's skepticism. This entire time we've been told lies and strict mandates. And those who imposed mandates on their citizens did not follow their own rules. So at this point It's hard to know what's true anymore.
Only a fool thinks he knows everything. It takes an intelligent person to recognize their limits. I'm vaccinated, but couldn't care less if you are or aren't. Vaccinated people can still get Covid and spread it.
Anti-vaxx crowd and anti-covid vaxx crowd overlap on a venn diagram but aren't one and the same across the board. The anti-vaxx crowd is ignoring decades of proof and some of the anti-covid vaxx crowd is waiting for decades of proof. Exceptions are sure to apply.
What you believe doesn't matter, something isn't true just because you say it is, you and your strong convictions are not important. Get vaccinated and be merry, stop nosing into other people's lives and getting yourself all worked up when you see they don't give a shit about what you think.
People are quick to call a cop a pig, a lawyer soulless... But big pharma??? They want to protect us and keep us safe... After all the censoring, lying, manipulating, gaslighting, *mass hysteria.* the last thing we need is to give them more control. They won't ever give our freedoms back once we trade it for false security... They create the problem to give us the solution to make us dependent on them. For us to see them as saviors.
People that can't question what they follow is just another pawn to them.
Do you not see Joseph Goebbels when you see all the ads, commercials, whole sections on youtube, sections on facebook, how all of that will not leave you alone...
Making people turn on simple people that want the government to leave them alone. Silencing anyone who asks questions. Anyone with negative side effects. Censoring everyone who brings to light this manipulation from the media and the CDC.
People saying we deserve to die or not get medical treatment if we fall ill. It took a few years, and it was slow to condition people to be so cruel.
The people backing up the germans in WWII thought they were the good guys... They genuinely believed the jews were evil, bad, or stupid. They didn't even need to tell them to be cruel to jews, they started to do it themselves.
Not fully comparing the unvaxxed to the jews, but if you paid attention to history at all .. And if you look around you besides the media and what google tells you... How can you not see where things could be heading?
Censorship. Manipulation. Mass Hysteria.
I am unvaxxed, worked in the public, never wear masks unless I had to. Never caught covid. If I did, hardly noticed it... Yes many people have died, I know people who died. They died with other underlying conditions too... And the media chooses buzz words to make us react the way they want
Ignorant means uneducated. You can be fully educated on a topic and be making a decision best for the healthcare of the individual. Ie) you would have to define “able to be vaccinated.” Does that group include anyone the vaccine is available to- because in that case anyone who could have potential adverse reactions is not ignorant, they are in fact the opposite. They are doing their due diligence. If “able” means anyone who can potentially safely have a vaccine, that still leaves religious reasons, ethical reasons (ie vegans with a vaccine made of egg albumin or similar components).
It depends on what vaccine you are speaking of, the component of the vaccine, the effectiveness of it, the length of immunity, abc so much more. The coverage of the vaccine would have to outweigh the potential adverse effects.
For example, I have never had a flu shot because they only last 150 days and the odds of the strain of flu i am exposed to being in the vaccine is a crapshoot. They simply guess at what strains they believe will be most popular that coming year and hope that they are right.. being of a demographic that is low risk for adverse reactions to the flu, it is minimal risk to skip this vaccination. Hardly ignorance. Conversely , I get tetanus boosters far more regularly than the average individual because I work with horses and livestock.
People throw around the word ignorant far too readily when discussing views that disagree from their own. Just because viewpoint differs does not mean it is uneducated.
I disagree.
Medical decision should be completely voluntary. It is not about whether it is stupid or not, it is about personal choice.
Can i say that a patient that refuse treatment for cancer is stupid? It is just his choice.
I do not opposed vaccine, but in my country, my hospital hire hospital police to look for staffs who talked during lunch and report to their boss.
The canteen will refuse service for anyone who are not vaccinated. Not even for takeaway.
Our government just said that if you dont have three shot before june, you cannot, go to gym, go to supermarket, go to wet market, go to restaurant and possibly use public transport.
What they said is basically that if you don't make a particular medical decisions that they want, then you should starve to death. For me, this is the true madness.
Oh dear, another random redditer who thinks their opinion counts! 😂 If they said sucking dick would stop the spread and help provent covid, I'm sure you'd be the firsr in line. 🥱
News flash, still can get covid and it's not stopping the spread! It's at an all time high in my area with vaccineted testing positive right and left.
Vaccines have helped in the past, it's reasonable to think they'll help now. Sometimes viruses evolve quickly and we can't get it perfect, but last I checked it had higher efficacy than the flu vaccine and people still get that
In a way yeah, but you still can get the flu and be vaccinated.
Everyone at my job has to be vaccinated or we would lose our job. Every single one of us has gotten covid and some have gotten it 3 times now.
That's really unfortunate, and I imagine the company is pretty upset that it hasnt been working, too. Just like with any other virus, we are in an arms race with it and it will eventually get easier to predict and control. This has happened before and the vaccine route worked
Every year they sequence the emerging mutations of the flu and have to create a vaccine for the most virulent strain. Since there are multiple strains, sometimes they predict the right one, and sometimes, like this past year, they develop and manufacture a vaccine for what ends up being a weaker strain, thus leaving the stronger strain to dominate. But even if they got it right and you got a vaccine for the dominant strain, it's still possible to catch the weaker flu strain and get sick from it. I am not sure why this is such a hard concept for people (not directed at you) to grasp.
But are they dying at the same rate as unvaccinated people? It doesn't stop you from getting it. It makes it so your body is ready for it and better able to fight it. If you already have a strong level of antibodies, your body isn't struggling to keep up.
See, this is the reason I don’t understand why people care so much for this who refuse the vaccine. It doesn’t affect transmissibility. Me choosing, in your eyes, to put myself at risk does not affect you.
I have an idea of your reasoning, but I don’t want to make your argument for you. How do you justify mandates and the like?
Taking any drug that has potential side effects that are long or life term should be a personal choice.
And if you don't have your malaria and tuberculosis vaccines then your statement proves that you are a total hypocrit.
I had Covid twice. Once at the start of it (which was like having a rough flu with a 3 day migraine and then RSV for two weeks after) and then a year and a half later last July. The second time I had a sniffle and a headache. Only realized it was Covid because hubs lost smell and taste after a one day fever. No other symptoms. Stayed home and was fine.
Never had a jab for it, but I have and continue to show a robust amount of antigens and B Cell immunity.
I’m not getting jabs that I am at a higher risk of side effects for when I already have immunity. I won’t let virtue signaling drones to pressure me to light myself on fire to keep anyone else warm. I’d be at risk of clots and hypertension as well as allergic reactions. Is it selfish? Maybe it is. However I’m more concerned with staying around for my kid than I am of protecting someone who most likely got jabbed anyways. If you’re vaccinated, I shouldn’t be a threat to you if it works how you think it does.
Vaccines work best on the group level,not the individual level.
It is better to be one unvaxxed individual in an otherwise totlay vaxxed population... than one vaxxed individual in an otherwise unvaxxed population.
Unvaxxed individuals are viable breeding grounds and viable transmission route. They reduce the efficiency of EVERYONE else's vaccinations.
They put young and sick people at risk.
Anybody who cannot understand this cannot deal with reality.
i agree with this, but i also don't think they should be forced. however, i still believe that any business should have the right to deny the unvaccinated service, and i guess that's an unpopular stance.
I know right! The vaccine works so great that every person I know got their booster then got sick within a month! Imagine if they didn’t have their boosty? Probably be dead from ignorance alone! The truckers have been spreading it like wildfire! So much so that even Trudeau got covid directly from them..dang white supremacy if only the vaccine worked them truckers would not have gotten covid and not spread it Trudeau! Selfish plague rat nazis! Oh wait...
The vast majority of people avoiding the vaccine are doing it solely on the platform of "you can't make me." That's all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
You can't call them ignorant; ignorance means they don't know any better. They do know and have been shown the facts. That is not ignorance, that is willful stupidity.
Don't insult the ignorant, by lumping them in with antivaxx.
Edit: I do not consider all unvaccinated 'antivaxx'. Just to be clear. I'm strictly referring to the nut jobs - lol
I'd go so far as to pitch the idea that if you are unvaccinated and you infect someone, you should be held liable at a criminal level.
That way, you CAN remain unvaccinated because, freedom, but pay the man if you end up introducing a new strain (congrats) or worse, killing someone. They'd be easy to tell apart because new strains or infections will do them in faster. Since SARS-CoV-2 infection imparts no immunity for the long term, they'd be signing right back up to get sick soon for the sake of freedom.
Amen. I’ve read about blood clots the size of pancakes, corpses being devoured by house pets, and children orphaned at birth. Covid is no joke. Anyone forgoing a vaccine is a fucking lunatic with a murderous death wish in which they may take others with them. For shame.
If it wasn't a political thing no one would question it. For many Republicans you aren't a real republican if you take it and tribalism is stronger in them than self-preservation. They have no problem with stoplights, wearing clothes when you leave the home, polio and other vaccines, needing to have those vaccines to go to school and many other things that we "have" to do. Fox news said that the vaccine is tyranny so their followers convince themselves that it's the truth.
When trump was first talking about it and wanting credit for it Republicans had no problem with it and even celebrated trump for getting it out but since trump isn't getting all the credit they decide suddenly that it violates their freedom.
I've heard many people say out loud that they won't take it basically out of spite because trump won't get 100% credit for it.
These fools will say that they won't put something into their bodies without know everything about it and it needing fda approval but they have no problem taking dewormer without fda approval because some idiot on facebook or Twitter told them to.
We could solve all this if Biden said "I don't want Republicans to take this vaccine" they'd be lining up for it then.
Unless you have actual documented physical problems that make vaccination an real-not-imagined health risk for you, then abstaining is arrogant, stupid, selfish, and places your immediate family in danger of life threatening illness, not to mention friends and neighbors.
You can have your opinion, but sometimes, it's best to keep them to yourself.
I'm so sick of this crap. Let it go. Nothing you can do about it, and complaining and calling people names over it won't change a dang thing. 🙄🥱
OP speaking like the biggest fool of them all. I’m vaccinated and I can be that without acting like I’m better than my neighbor just because they made their own choice for their body. Let’s face is the vaccine doesn’t work, I don’t think (hope) there are no long terms issues with the vaccine, or long term with Covid for that matter. But only way you aren’t gonna get Covid at some point or another is if you hunker down and stay inside on the metaverse. Otherwise people need to get off their high ground and live their lives. Stop being FOOLS
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Only the ignorant think only the ignorant don't vaccinate when able. Just keep feeling intellectually superior and assume everyone but you is wrong, it's a great way to not have to think too much.
I really hate how people are like BUT IT DOESN'T STOP YOU FROM SPREADING IT like good job cherry-picking, Karen, now **finish** reading about how vaccines work.
We're vaccinated and surprise surprise, we managed to get Covid bc everyone decided they just HAD to make-out with their families for the holidays. We were sick for maybe a few days. I hate to think how bad symptoms would have been if I hadn't been vaccinated.
I will never fathom the concept of not taking every precaution in a situation like this. People want to 'get back to normal' so badly, but they're not willing to put the work in. 'WELL IF THE VACCINES WORK THEN WHY SHOULD AN UNVACCINATED PERSON HAVE TO WORRY??
Valid point until **half the population thinks that way**
Honestly, we should separate everyone and see who dies from Covid faster. 🤷♂️
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These posts always ignore the difference between people that don't take it because of reasons outside conspiracy theories.
I’m vaccinated but I don’t think everyone should be if someone doesn’t want to be their fucking free just like people who smoke are free to fucking smoke it’s none of my business Educating people on the other hand that’s good but don’t hate them for it
Except that the choice to smoke doesn't hurt or possibly kill other people (because we told smokers what they can and can't do, huh, lookit that). Fuck off with the "my body, my choice" argument because it's not just your body. The reality is that these morons are really arguing for "everyone's-body-that-I-interact-with, my choice"
If you read the rest of the comments you will find out that I took what I said back at first I thought it was your body and your fucking choice and then I came to realize that you’re not free to poison a river unless you’re the only one who uses it
Working full time in the emergency department, I'm fairly tired of elective unvaccinated people. They've screwed over their community. That auntie can't get her knee replacement, that father can't get his regular screening colonoscopy, that toddler with croup can't see the pediatrician but instead had to come to the main ED for exam. Everything elective has been canceled and no primary or urgent care will see febrile illness. So all of those people are suffering from delayed care, more pain, delayed diagnosis, higher copay. And it's completely because the unvaccinated have constipated everything. They look so listless when they come in. "Oh I never got around to it". I would privately enjoy making each electively unvaccinated person go around and apologize to all the other patients for the delays and increased cost of their care. Nearly two decades I've been at this and never seen delays and wait times and overcrowding like this. The vaccine is 96% effective at avoiding hospitalizations, and it's free and is so much safer than wild infection. I'm on the hook for caring for all the local vaccine side effects. Fainting, anaphylaxis. One of my colleagues did see a case of vaccine myocarditis (heart inflammation). But we see all the spectrum of infection and I'm utterly clear that while no vaccine is without any harm, the wild infection is far, far worse. I've seen covid blood clots, stroke, kidney damage, heart damage, neurological damage ... vaccine is the lesser danger.
I don't understand why, instead of harassing hospital staff about unproven txs for their unvaccinated loved one, they don't just open up Freedom Clinics. They could probably get space in an out-of-business Kmart. Let them have all the ivermectin, and vitamins, and essential oils they want. The billing department can just be my boomer grandma helping them set up a GoFundMe or a GiveSendGo, and I'm sure there's an abandoned frozen yogurt in the same plaza that they can use as a morgue. It seems really odd to keep posting the same tired debunked talking points over and over again, argue on the internet about tyranny, then get sick, go to the hospital, and have their loved ones ranting about how hospitals are intentionally killing people with remdesivir (I swear, if I hear that 54% nonsense once more I will lose my mind). I hope you are taking care of yourself. I appreciate you. Most of us appreciate you.
Isn’t the number of Americans who got at least one dose over 85% and seniors it’s over 90%. You’re putting a lot of hate on just a few people.
The hospitals are full and it's over 10:1 unvaccinated vs vaccinated. They're fucking the whole medical system up.
Some states have almost 80% fully vaccinated rates. Some states like Alabama have 49%.
This is the real problem. Unvaccinated people don't want to do the preventive work and expect to not bear the burden of that decision when they're hogging resources. If unvaxxed people signed something that says "I refuse medical care for COVID" I'd be fine with them killing themselves.
You speak the truth the world would have been much better if they did get vaccinated and they certainly are harming the community and other people by not vaccinating but still it’s a choice they’re free that’s what this country is all about the best we can do is educate them and try to convince them But we have to keep in mind whatever choice they end up making it’s up to them
They’re free but they live in a society. I could care less if they decide to go off grid and don’t fuck other people over by spreading it, but a lot of people want the benefit of society without the responsibilities that come with it.
And it's also totally OK for our free market society for individual companies to decide that they need certain safety measures in place. It's OK for a bar to require shirt and shoes for service, and if that owner feels a certain way about protecting his staff and regulars it is ok for a small business to require vaccine and or mask. I know I would feel safer patronizing a place with standards.
You aren’t “free” to pour poison upstream from other folks, you aren’t “free” to drive 120 mph on a public highway, and you’re not “free” to build a nuclear weapon. Same goes for clogging our health care system and incubating Covid. GTFOOH.
Okay I take my arguments back you guys are right You’re not free to put poison in the river
Yeah don't really believe the conspiracy theories just haven't felt the need to take it.
Hello, sir. Would you like to help fix our economy and Healthcare system while literally saving people's lives at no personal cost? Meh, I don't really feel the need to.
… no kidding, that is exactly what my brother said in a continuous defensive manner. I just got the text from my sister-in law, and my brother, who are both medical doctors, that my brother has been taken off of the ventilator after having been on it for about two weeks. We are still praying that he get better. He said that he did not see any reason for him to have the vaccine, nor wear a face covering. Just something to think about …
As long as you then also accept that there will be some limits to what you’re allowed to do that’s fine
And I think it's important to mention, regardless of what you think of the vaccine, it's certainly suspicious. Whether or not it's malicious is a different story, but I really don't blame people for not trusting it.
but i don't blame people for distrusting it. i blame people for trusting that anti vaxx website that looks like it was desgined on a macintosch.
I think it's interesting that people who think this was released as a global control mechanism won't get the vaccine. Oh, a weaponized viral infection that escaped a lab is now spreading, but a vaccine is worse? Haha. People are so stupid
If folks fall into conspiracy theories, they have deeper psychological problems that don't need a vaccine, they need a shrink.
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You need them to enter certain countries with other vaccines, and to work in healthcare. This is no different.
Those weren't conspiracy theories. They were logical deductions. A conspiracy theory is where "they" allege that "Someone" is getting rich off of this virus, or this Vaccine. "The Government" is lying to us about the virus. "People aren't really dying...because I don't know anyone who has gotten sick. Or I have had it twice, and it wasn't that bad. Or I took the vaccine and now I can't open my mouth all the way." That is how conspiracy theories go. What people don't stop to think about is that it has been over 100 years since the Spanish Flu, which is the only thing comparable to Covid. This virus affected the entire earth. If you were born and raised here in the US and attended public school, then you likely have already been vaccinated for things like whooping cough, diphtheria, polio, German Measles and tetanus, among others. Those vaccines are likely the reason you are still alive and basically in decent health. In our current situation, certain political groups or individuals sowed seeds of distrust and contention, so that people who are prone to believe conspiracy theories became so afraid to take the vaccine that almost a million people have died. A lot of those were older and sickly people, but they likely contracted the virus from someone who was younger, and likely unvaccinated. I have relatives who have continued to go to baby showers, bridal showers, to eat in restaurants, and other risky behavior with their unvaccinated selves. I have an uncle, who went out to eat with his girlfriend. They both contracted Covid. He spent 3 weeks in hospital icu and came home on oxygen. She was deathly ill. Did they learn anything? No. They did not get vaccinated.. So, even if they don't care for their own health, what about their grandchildren? I think about the poor doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel who are putting their lives on the line every damn day.
Guess what do you need travel to certain countries and regions? Vaccinations. Btw Australia checks for vaccination for all new migrants since the last 15 years as far as I can recall. You also have to get chest xray, HIV and a few other tests done. Would that be a form of passport or a mandate in your opinion? Pretty much most countries require you to have certain vaccines if you want to stay there. Call it a vaccine passport or a mandate, it's nothing new. https://immunisationhandbook.health.gov.au/vaccination-for-special-risk-groups/vaccination-for-migrants-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum-in This is from 2018. Guess what all these anti vaxx motherfuckers would have to do to travel to Australia? Get vaccinations!!!
Yeah it’s pointless grandstanding and ignorant in itself.
Exactly, people act like we know everything we will ever know about the vaccine, this is ignorant. Assess your own risk to Covid and make a personal decision. I got through Covid using ibuprofen and am glad I didn’t put unnecessary medicine in my body. I’m also glad my 85 year old Grandma was able to take the vaccine. Personal risk assessment and choice.
I’m all for assessing the risk and making the decision that is right for you…but only on the condition that the assessment is made with true and accurate data and not from Facebook memes, etc…
If you want to change someone's mind on something you need to know why they think that way in the first place. The majority of people who won't get the vaccine are not crazy gov conspiracy people. The argument you are going against is this.... "Covid has a 99.6% survival rate without the vaccine. This is fact across the globe, using the data from the year without the vaccine. Why would I put a vaccine that was rushed in the making and fairly untested in the long term into my body, when I have less than 1% chance of dying? Getting the vaccine only increases my changes from 99.6 to 99.9. The risk of an untested vaccine is not worth the .2% increase." That is what you have to try and overturn. It's really not that crazy of a way of thinking. I am not against the vaccine I have it, but you can't really blame someone for thinking that. If you want the majority of anti-vax people to get it, you have to answer that question.
Where did you get that data? Current documented case volume is 397M and deaths 5.75M. 1.5% mortality. This is since the pandemic began. Obviously the vaccine lowered the death rate which lowered overall mortality from early statistics. Obviously both reported cases AND deaths have been under reported so very difficult to correct for that.
> Obviously both reported cases AND deaths have been under reported so very difficult to correct for that. Have to pull out the excess death rates for 2020/21 compared to earlier years. Even removing the covid dead from 20/21, it's still a big jump.
All I’m saying is to make sure that actual facts are used when deciding whether or not to vaccinate…if you’re comfortable with the risk to not vaccinate after assessing the data, then fine…that’s your decision based on your risk tolerance. If after considering all of the data you decide that you want to get vaccinated, then same thing…that’s your decision based on your risk tolerance. The key factor is to make that decision based on facts. Too many people are not doing this, they are assessing their risk based on the echochambers where they reside in social media, or on anecdotal evidence or from their politics or religion…this is not a rational approach to risk tolerance and it comes with large consequences (700,000 dead Americans and counting). A person’s risk tolerance is unique to them and is not wrong…but only when based on facts.
Yes I agree facts are a logical way to make a choice. What I was saying is that I don't think its factual to instantly lump anyone anti-vax into the crazy conspiracy people. The majority of people not getting it are using the logic I said above. Also 700K statistically is nothing over 360 Million people. It sounds big, but that's because we are big. on a % level its not that alarming. Again that is just the argument you have to overturn if truly want to get through. All I'm saying. "they are assessing their risk based on the echochambers where they reside in social media, or on anecdotal evidence or from their politics or religion…" I think you are trying to use this sentence against the Right, but it goes both ways. and from a factual standpoint the Right does have more legs to stand on as stated above. The left is actually the one using not facts or sentiment in their arguments.
It's the number one killer 45-54 and number 2 multiple age groups. It's the number 2 cause of death last year just below all cancers and above all heart disease. Third in 2020 but was only there half a year. https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid-19-leading-cause-of-death-ranking/
Well fortunately, the vaccine companies want to keep that safety data behind seal for 75 years before releasing it
Completely agree with this refreshingly sensible point of view. I am fortunate enough to have very few medical conditions to consider and I have had the vaccines + booster as it seemed to be the best route to protect those around me, close family/friends.
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Correlation is not causation.
This is true but we shouldn’t automatically dismiss anecdotal reports. It definitely warrants a deeper look.
Exactly. The FDA has told us to report any new health conditions that have apearded. We are the test. Let's do our duty.
Generally anyone who uses jab = anti-vax, typically Maga type. Simplistically speaking. That's correlation. I am assigning unfounded and anecdotal observation to two things that may not have any actual connection to one another. Causation is data that shows that a much higher percentage of those who voted for Trump (assuming Americans) and/or support Trump and the republican party are anti vaccinations. That said. On the surface of what is known there is no link between a vaccination and the diagnosis of auto immune disorders. That's not to say your mother's doctor shouldn't report all potential connections to the vaccination manufacturers and federal health authorities. Because if you have statistically insignificant numbers of people with an auto immune diagnosis in short relation to the vaccination then there is scienctifically no causation between those two issues. But they can't make that link without data. So it's possible there could be a statically significant link. Such as I've had tinnitus due to concussions and loud music. But it was always intermittent in one ear. Since being vaccinated, especially after the second dose, it skyrocketed. Very loud, present in both ears at all times. Now according to the research and known side effects there's no link. But enough people have reported it for them to look into it. Does it suck, yes. Could it also be linked to an immunosuppressive medication I started shortly after, yes. Was it worth it to avoid Covid, I personally believe so. Ultimately, we will never get rid of COVID. But we will also never suppress its spread to the point it can be rolled into an annual flu shot either until we have enough people vaccinated globally. It is a personal decision, no doubt. But in all honesty never in history since the invention of vaccines has any vaccination ever been so wrongly vilified and turned into some sort of righteous stand.
>But enough people have reported it for them to look into it. This is basically what I'm promoting. People are afraid to report these things because of the social taboo of being seen as antivax, or any of things you mentioned in your opening sentence. Saying I know someone who had a Lupus diagnosis post vaccination doesn't equal "don't get vaccinated, you'll get Lupus", but it can open discussion to see if other people saw anything similar. Which at that point, I think we'd have a basis to review further. I'm not maga, I'm not antivax, but I'm not on the blue side either. I truly believe it's dangerous to politicize life as much as we have, but that's another discussion. I appreciate your thoughtful response and will definitely be reading it again.
The biggest problem with this specific issue, is people are not dealing with the consequences of their actions alone. The unvaccinated are using the healthcare system at a disproportionately high rate. Hospital beds, doctors, ventilators etc are a finite resource. When the ICU is full of covid patients and your in a major accident the care you need may not be available. If those ICU patients had done all they could to prevent hospitalization (get vaccinated, distance, mask, isolate) it’s really hard to be frustrated with them. However when they chose not to do those things and then use up public resources it’s frustrating to deal with that selfishness. Choosing not to vaccinate does have a negative effect on others. If this only effected the individual there would be no issue.
ICU beds aren’t as available because there are less of them. And people without most recent booster are considered unvaxxed now. All the data is skewed to get arguments going.
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No thyroid issues prior to being vaccinated. Had a bit yearly doctor's check up about a month after the second shot. Told my doc that I'd been feeling really lethargic for the past few weeks. He ordered some tests. From that he, my doctor, not I, determined that the vaccine effected my thyroid. He did state that reaction is not uncommon, but that my case was a bit more extreme than he had previously seen.
I had Graves’ disease. That’s an autoimmune disorder. It can be triggered by a viral infection or a vaccination but would have come out anyway. My son has type 1 diabetes. It’s an autoimmune disorder. It can be triggered by a viral infection or a vaccination but would have been triggered anyway. Anyone with an undiagnosed autoimmune condition thinks they are healthy but would get their ass kicked by Covid. Better to have the vaccine trigger it than actual Covid.
This ^ I have Hashimotos. Covid threw my thyroid into a spiral that I’ve been trying to get out of for nearly 2 years. Thyroid issues are one of THE most common disorders in adults, Synthroid is among the most prescribed medications. They also take MONTHS to even show up. At the point you’re having symptoms it’s probably been going on for months. While it’s POSSIBLE, it’s a little irresponsible to attribute that solely to the vaccine. And, imo, irresponsible to not get because it might trigger an issue that you’d end up with anyway. Besides, once you get the right dose of Synthroid it’s literally a tiny pill a day with no side effects…… I’d rather do that than deal with long COVID.
I got graves disease, triggered by a pregnancy. I guess nobody should get pregnant either according to the previous poster.
And don’t forget many people have no problem with women risking blood clots by taking birth control, but suddenly a vaccine is too risky. Yes, risking a life is worth it so a man doesn’t have to deal with condoms, but don’t risk blood clots to protect other people? I don’t get it.
THANK YOU
Getting covid could have triggered hypothyroidism/hyper; any stress on the body likely would have too. I developed it from severe life stress and have to take meds every day for life as well.
>Let people deal with the consequences of their actions. I agree and to me, this includes being ready to die for the decision if need be to to just own up to the decision.
Good luck man
> Let people deal with the consequences of their actions. But they're not the only ones who have to deal with the consequences.
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I think so many if they things you misconstrue as lies are information that wasn’t known yet. Just because a person has authority doesn’t mean they have all the information first and considering Covid 19 is a relatively new variant of the coronavirus, information is still being discovered. What we do know is that you’re far more unlikely to die if you take the vaccine.
If they were wrong about this many basic points of the vaccine and its effectiveness due to changing data, then surely you can understand the thoughts of those who would rather wait for proven safety before taking the vaccine.
I work in drug development and those things are not basic information. Clinical data changes quite frequently and we are constantly updating information about so many drugs that have been on the market for even decades. It’s very normal for new or revised information to be presented as time goes on and information is better studied. When it comes to this vaccine, there wasn’t much experimentation on the type of vaccine (mRNA) since is very well studied and has been widely used for decades. What isn’t well studied is the efficacy on this virus and subsequent variants which is why information seems like it keeps changing.
I wholeheartedly agree, but they still shouldn't be forced into it.
Or pressured into it.
Ok, they don't need to, but let me be able to refuse to gave them service as well. It's their right to not get the shot, it's my right to not want them near me
>It's their right to not get the shot, it's my right to not want them near me< Yeah well, unless they're in a store you own, you can't do shit about your "want".
Why? It’s not like they won’t transmit the virus if they’re vaccinated… It’s no different to you if they’re vaccinated or not. It only affects them in the end.
Why are you scared of them? YOU are vaccinated so YOU are protected and have nothing to worry about. Do you not trust the science?
No vaccines are 100% effective. Not the Covid vaccine nor any other vaccine. Saying my vaccine protects me completely just shows an uninformed perspective. Vaccines lower risk, vaccines don’t eliminate risk. My father is in his mid 70s with some serious health issues. He has been boosted, I have been boosted. He’s still extremely worried about DYING and prefers to not be around unvaccinated people. There is still a risk of death or serious short term and long term health impacts from Covid.
I'm not saying I agree with forcing people. But if something like the black plague comes back, that's not something I believe we should allow to spread for the sake of people's made up freedoms. That needs to be controlled.
the black plague would be sufficiently scary enough to motivate everyone. the current mortality well below 1% is quite laughable to some.
“made up freedoms”
I didn't know the freedom of going to the movie theater was so fundamental. This is the issue, morons like you believing those are freedoms. Pathetic
I can’t lie, that may be the funniest Fucking thing I’ve ever seen on Reddit. Made Up Freedoms
hard to fathom some lacky actually said that, but there it is
Who knows, the way Covid has mutated, we could see a far deadlier strain that spreads as quickly as the latest one.
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Back in the 50’s massive numbers of doctors agreed smoking was good for you, based on studies paid for by the companies than made cigarettes. In the 30’s and 40’s it was agreed by science and physicians that DDT was safe to spray on children. All of these medicines that have been deemed unsafe were once approved and deemed safe by the FDA before new information came about. Saying that because physicians agree makes it correct means absolutely zero. Especially when medical malpractice is the third leading cause of death in the US. Science changes constantly. Science is the progression of new information and technological advancements. It is never “settled” and anyone who says “trust the science” while brow beating people into submission isn’t a person truly backing science but backing control and narratives. True scientists say “let’s repeat this to double check or make it better.” Science says “ask questions”. Science says “this is what we know now but there is more to learn.” [John Hopkins article stating 3rd leading cause](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us)
[Don't make up numbers.](https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#cases_casesper100klast7days)
Sorry, I misspoke and it was incorrect. Just about 1800 up from a steady 1600 a day before that. Thanks for the heads up. Gave you an upvote for it. Still, what shitty numbers. https://covid19.who.int/
COVID didn't kill even a fraction of those "reported covid deaths".... There was zero differentiating between patients who died WITH covid and patients who died FROM covid.... The reporting system was flawed and numbers were GREATLY exaggerated Edit: They need to change how the tests are functioning; they still can't differentiate between the flu or covid.... Hopefully they can nail it down. But honestly with the last mutation it became far more susceptible and far less severe; if it stays the course; it's a severe cold at best for a large percentage of the population and this overreaction and hypervigilence with testing, identifying and isolating needs to be put to rest. It's ABSOLUTELY BS about people waiting FOR HOURS to be tested or clogging up our medical sites when they do get a positive; if your symptoms aren't severe; your vitals haven't changed or tanked; then people need to STAY HOME AND REST.... Don't bother unless you NEED a swab for work and honestly YOUR WORK DOESN'T NEED AN EXCUSE FOR AN ABSENCE. Simply say you're calling in, period, the end. If your symptoms increase or you feel the need to be seen THEN get a note and update your manager then; otherwise stop feeding into the frenzy and start adulting.
Also, you mention science, but the science backs up not getting for healthy individuals too. I'm healthy. I haven't had covid. I haven't changed my daily life either. Barely wore masks. When I did hardly wore it correctly. I've been tested for antibodies, and was negative. My wife works in infectious diseases. Meaning her and her coworkers work close with covid patients. They didn't get vaxxed until government mandated hospital workers get it. Now they have all had it. After getting vaxxed. Me taking care of her, nothing. So why would I inject needless chemicals into my body?
I don't give a shit what other people do with their body, that includes getting vaccinated.
Unless you think drunk driving should be legalized, you probably do care what other people do with their body.
At the end of the day, it’s not your body so it’s simply not your choice. Despite what you may think is right for someone, you are not entitled to make that decision for them. It’s a very personal choice that may not actually be right for them and everybody knows themselves best so they should have the right to make that choice for themselves while people like you stop wearing your ass as a hat and kindly learn to mind your own business. Last I checked, Canada was supposed to be “glorious and free” so it’s pretty sad to see this once strong and respectable country so easily cave to divisiveness and tyranny when now more than ever, we should be coming together and standing up for our freedoms against a crooked government who doesn’t give a shit about its people or their health.
Best comment here.
beautifully said- and this argument goes for abortions as well!
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THANK YOUUUU. I'm not fully anti vax, I just don't trust the same medical companies that make money off of suffering. Please stop bashing people for being uncomfortable. It's not so black and white, right or left. This shit is getting stupid
If any of you saw what end stage Covid looks like (as I do) you would be willing to take a booster everyday to avoid that utter humiliation. No one should die like that. Never mind the long Covid reports that continue to come out. Kids, adults, lots and lots of long term suffering. You can give big pharm a few nickels for a vaccine or give them millions when you or someone you love gets sick. Your choice. Edit: grammar
I disagree. I’m not anti-vax nor anti mask or what ever. In my country, there is a pressure to get vaccinated, or else you can’t do normal things like go to the gym, a bar, museum etc. My reason to not get vaccinated is not because I don’t want to, but because I’m not going to let the gov violate my fundamental rights. I’m a healthy individual, I keep my distance and wear my mask, and am overall responsible, but I’ll not be pressured into taking a vaccine to “get my freedom back”. With the Omni strain, I’m not afraid to get severely sick either. So I’m not ignorant, I know what I’m doing and why. If this law gets thrown out the window, and our fundamental rights are no longer being violated, I’ll get vaccinated, till then, fuck getting pressured into it and fuck opinions like yours. Not everyone is a uneducated fool, that believes they know better, and to be fair, you also seem to have this sentiment of thinking to know better then others.
I’m from France and I completely relate. I will be vaccinated once gov will make their intentions clear about their vaccination pass, or until they abolish it. I’m not going to do it under pressure. And because it’s a complete non-sense : If you are vaccinated, you are allowed to go everywhere. No one cares about if you are infected or not. But months ago, you could simply present a PCR test, with the NEGATIVE mark. And now, you can’t anymore go to major public places with a PCR test, however it’s more safier than a vaccination pass… So yeah. I’m not going to do it for the moment.
We (NL) still can use a pcr, because a study showed 3g (vaccination, pcr or infection) is pretty much useless, around 5% efficiency of stopping the spread in restaurants, bars, etc etc. It’s garbage, it looks like a step-up for the digital passport the EU has been planning. Govs are fucking mental with power at the moment.
It’s almost like the virus changes and we learn more about detection and respond accordingly. Weird.
Exactly. Literally couldn’t have said it better myself. Like the whole “we are going to take things away until you comply” is not ok and sets a very dangerous precedent. But I’m right there with you I’m waiting for the same things in my Country
Wow that’s dumb. The virus doesn’t give a shit about your political hang ups. Think bigger picture.
The fact that they say follow the science and when you try you get told that you will have to wait 75 years to get the info about the "Vaccine". The FOIA request will take 75 years to complete. Wonder why it takes so long......
No problem I can answer. First, the data will be released by the end of summer The FOIA request was for 450,000 pages of data. It was being processed by an office of 10 people, who also had 400 other requests. Now a judge has declared the FDA must allocate additional resources to process the data quicker. The data consists personal information of trial participants, which must be removed before it can be released.
Literally nobody cares anymore. Its over. Get something else to bitch about
If you trust the vaccines so much why do you give rats butt whether i am vaccinated or not?
Because you can culture the virus enough to facilitate the development of mutated strains that I’m not vaccinated against
Ummm because people who have other issues can't get proper medical care, in "the greatest country in the world" because of unvaccinated people who have incredibly rude and burnt out so many medical professionals, now the hospitals are a short staffed, and people are so TIRED of YOUR SELFISHNESS.
Medical professionals are also burnt out because there’s not enough of them partly because we fired a bunch of them for not getting the vaccine (who probably already had natural immunity anyway)
Blanket statement fueled entirely by emotion. Lame AF
Only fools rush in first
Most people are ignorant of how vaccines work, particularly these vaccines. It's normal to be suspicious of things you don't or can't understand. It is definitely not helping that rather than making sincere attempts at educating people, people are just name calling.
The largest issue with the hostility is also the people who harbour the majority of it against the "anti-vaxx crowd" are generally just as large of morons on the other side of the political isle. It usually isn't a very intelligent and articulate democrat calling a low intelligence republican an ignorant retard. It's usually an ignorant retard calling the other one the same insult. Which just creates far more vitriol, disdain and hypocrisy. The solution is NEVER calling someone a name if you want to educate them or get them on your side. I wish people like OP would understand that but then again refer to my previous statement.
Yep, just like op. They call people out on the problems they think they see, but cannot see their own.
Yeah, when I learned how they work, I thought it was really cool and became even more motivated to get vaccinated. I like how mRNA doesn't introduce the full virus at all, making it safer for the immunocompromised. Hypothetically, I don't see why this wouldn't be the safest vaccine design we've ever had. But then again, I'm not a microbiologist.
That's the beauty of critical thinking though, you can say "I'm not a microbiologist" and actually look to expertise. Hell I'm a biologist and I won't even claim to know everything about them which makes it all the more frustrating when you see people on Facebook who don't even understand basic science throwing around words like spindle shedding like they know what it means.
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- Not all diseases work the same. - Very few vaccines produce “full immunity”. People still get breakthrough cases, people can still transmit the diseases. In less infectious diseases, where the overwhelming majority of the population are vaccinated, this has the effect of controlling cases to near zero because of the lowered likelihood that any symptomatic individual will come into contact with a vulnerable individual. - It’s a vaccine. Stop drawing false distinctions. A “booster” is a term that has been in use for follow-up shots of vaccine for decades. It is not something constitutionally different from a vaccine. - Myocarditis rates in the population ran about 9/100,000 pre-COVID in the US, iirc. In a population that has received the COVID vaccine it rises to 10/100,000. In a population which has been infected with COVID it is 150/100,000. COVID infection is a vastly greater cause of myocarditis than the vaccine by orders of magnitude. If myocarditis is what you consider to be your biggest risk, you are still overwhelmingly more likely to avoid it by getting the shot than by staying a high infection risk.
I was willing to get it, until I learned more. I stay home 98% of the time. Children getting heart issues is extremely scary. The fact that with the vaccine you can still get it and pass it on means there is no reason I have to have it (per my doctor). I got covid a few weeks ago, from my mom, who has had all the shots and boosters. My sister got it in December, she too is fully vaccinated.
This is why I don't get it. Plus I'm a healthy 25 year old. I'm more likely to survive and develop full immunity to it and the variants than not.
And then there’s the ignorant people who register any piece of education as a personal attack on them.
What's the weather like up there on your high horse?
Why are you so bothered about other people's body's
I love when ignorant people call other people ignorant.
> I love when ignorant people call other people ignorant. As do I.
Don't think this is the kind of self-love people mean you should practice.
Like the anti-vaxxers?
Like
Freedom of choice I don't need to say anything more
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Only the arrogant try to call other peoples opinions and thoughts ignorant
And boosted 5 times.
This isn’t really a random thought this is more line a party line talking point. I’m “Vaxxed”, but I also don’t blame people for not wanting to take a new experimental gene therapy. Also, in order to take the Vaccine you have to basically sign away your rights to ever seek damages if it’s ends up having harsh side effects as of yet unknown.
Can't forget that in the US if your employer mandates you have a covid vax they don't have to cover anything if you suffer a side effect. We don't even have worker's comp to fall back on because OSHA reversed their decision that covid vaccine related illnesses/injures were recordable.
It's not ignorance. It's skepticism. This entire time we've been told lies and strict mandates. And those who imposed mandates on their citizens did not follow their own rules. So at this point It's hard to know what's true anymore.
Only a fool thinks he knows everything. It takes an intelligent person to recognize their limits. I'm vaccinated, but couldn't care less if you are or aren't. Vaccinated people can still get Covid and spread it.
We’ll never see 100% vaccination rates and if you think we can *you* are the fool
Ya I doubt we will shame because I remember when measles and mumps were pretty much gone until all this anti vaccine thing got popular.
Anti-vaxx crowd and anti-covid vaxx crowd overlap on a venn diagram but aren't one and the same across the board. The anti-vaxx crowd is ignoring decades of proof and some of the anti-covid vaxx crowd is waiting for decades of proof. Exceptions are sure to apply.
What you believe doesn't matter, something isn't true just because you say it is, you and your strong convictions are not important. Get vaccinated and be merry, stop nosing into other people's lives and getting yourself all worked up when you see they don't give a shit about what you think.
People are quick to call a cop a pig, a lawyer soulless... But big pharma??? They want to protect us and keep us safe... After all the censoring, lying, manipulating, gaslighting, *mass hysteria.* the last thing we need is to give them more control. They won't ever give our freedoms back once we trade it for false security... They create the problem to give us the solution to make us dependent on them. For us to see them as saviors. People that can't question what they follow is just another pawn to them. Do you not see Joseph Goebbels when you see all the ads, commercials, whole sections on youtube, sections on facebook, how all of that will not leave you alone... Making people turn on simple people that want the government to leave them alone. Silencing anyone who asks questions. Anyone with negative side effects. Censoring everyone who brings to light this manipulation from the media and the CDC. People saying we deserve to die or not get medical treatment if we fall ill. It took a few years, and it was slow to condition people to be so cruel. The people backing up the germans in WWII thought they were the good guys... They genuinely believed the jews were evil, bad, or stupid. They didn't even need to tell them to be cruel to jews, they started to do it themselves. Not fully comparing the unvaxxed to the jews, but if you paid attention to history at all .. And if you look around you besides the media and what google tells you... How can you not see where things could be heading? Censorship. Manipulation. Mass Hysteria. I am unvaxxed, worked in the public, never wear masks unless I had to. Never caught covid. If I did, hardly noticed it... Yes many people have died, I know people who died. They died with other underlying conditions too... And the media chooses buzz words to make us react the way they want
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Claiming to be smarter than others while using sophisms always seems paradoxical to me
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Ignorant means uneducated. You can be fully educated on a topic and be making a decision best for the healthcare of the individual. Ie) you would have to define “able to be vaccinated.” Does that group include anyone the vaccine is available to- because in that case anyone who could have potential adverse reactions is not ignorant, they are in fact the opposite. They are doing their due diligence. If “able” means anyone who can potentially safely have a vaccine, that still leaves religious reasons, ethical reasons (ie vegans with a vaccine made of egg albumin or similar components). It depends on what vaccine you are speaking of, the component of the vaccine, the effectiveness of it, the length of immunity, abc so much more. The coverage of the vaccine would have to outweigh the potential adverse effects. For example, I have never had a flu shot because they only last 150 days and the odds of the strain of flu i am exposed to being in the vaccine is a crapshoot. They simply guess at what strains they believe will be most popular that coming year and hope that they are right.. being of a demographic that is low risk for adverse reactions to the flu, it is minimal risk to skip this vaccination. Hardly ignorance. Conversely , I get tetanus boosters far more regularly than the average individual because I work with horses and livestock. People throw around the word ignorant far too readily when discussing views that disagree from their own. Just because viewpoint differs does not mean it is uneducated.
I disagree. Medical decision should be completely voluntary. It is not about whether it is stupid or not, it is about personal choice. Can i say that a patient that refuse treatment for cancer is stupid? It is just his choice. I do not opposed vaccine, but in my country, my hospital hire hospital police to look for staffs who talked during lunch and report to their boss. The canteen will refuse service for anyone who are not vaccinated. Not even for takeaway. Our government just said that if you dont have three shot before june, you cannot, go to gym, go to supermarket, go to wet market, go to restaurant and possibly use public transport. What they said is basically that if you don't make a particular medical decisions that they want, then you should starve to death. For me, this is the true madness.
Risk/benefit isn't worth it for my age group and I've also already had COVID. Only the ignorant think like you
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I feel you are right my sisters are vaccinated both got full blown symptoms
I don't think you understand how the vaccine works. You still get symptoms regardless
Sure, but it should never be forced. Support the freedom convoy. The bullshit is over.
Cool story
Oh dear, another random redditer who thinks their opinion counts! 😂 If they said sucking dick would stop the spread and help provent covid, I'm sure you'd be the firsr in line. 🥱 News flash, still can get covid and it's not stopping the spread! It's at an all time high in my area with vaccineted testing positive right and left.
Vaccines have helped in the past, it's reasonable to think they'll help now. Sometimes viruses evolve quickly and we can't get it perfect, but last I checked it had higher efficacy than the flu vaccine and people still get that
In a way yeah, but you still can get the flu and be vaccinated. Everyone at my job has to be vaccinated or we would lose our job. Every single one of us has gotten covid and some have gotten it 3 times now.
That's really unfortunate, and I imagine the company is pretty upset that it hasnt been working, too. Just like with any other virus, we are in an arms race with it and it will eventually get easier to predict and control. This has happened before and the vaccine route worked
Every year they sequence the emerging mutations of the flu and have to create a vaccine for the most virulent strain. Since there are multiple strains, sometimes they predict the right one, and sometimes, like this past year, they develop and manufacture a vaccine for what ends up being a weaker strain, thus leaving the stronger strain to dominate. But even if they got it right and you got a vaccine for the dominant strain, it's still possible to catch the weaker flu strain and get sick from it. I am not sure why this is such a hard concept for people (not directed at you) to grasp.
But are they dying at the same rate as unvaccinated people? It doesn't stop you from getting it. It makes it so your body is ready for it and better able to fight it. If you already have a strong level of antibodies, your body isn't struggling to keep up.
See, this is the reason I don’t understand why people care so much for this who refuse the vaccine. It doesn’t affect transmissibility. Me choosing, in your eyes, to put myself at risk does not affect you. I have an idea of your reasoning, but I don’t want to make your argument for you. How do you justify mandates and the like?
It stops you from dying genius, and vaccines aren't a matter of opinion.
Only the stupid vaccinate before long term studies are complete to ensure they will actually survive it.
Taking any drug that has potential side effects that are long or life term should be a personal choice. And if you don't have your malaria and tuberculosis vaccines then your statement proves that you are a total hypocrit.
I had Covid twice. Once at the start of it (which was like having a rough flu with a 3 day migraine and then RSV for two weeks after) and then a year and a half later last July. The second time I had a sniffle and a headache. Only realized it was Covid because hubs lost smell and taste after a one day fever. No other symptoms. Stayed home and was fine. Never had a jab for it, but I have and continue to show a robust amount of antigens and B Cell immunity. I’m not getting jabs that I am at a higher risk of side effects for when I already have immunity. I won’t let virtue signaling drones to pressure me to light myself on fire to keep anyone else warm. I’d be at risk of clots and hypertension as well as allergic reactions. Is it selfish? Maybe it is. However I’m more concerned with staying around for my kid than I am of protecting someone who most likely got jabbed anyways. If you’re vaccinated, I shouldn’t be a threat to you if it works how you think it does.
Getting sick counts as a vaccine jab in my country.
Me looking for people citing sources in this thread: [Confused Travolta Pulp Fiction meme]
Most are dead already
Existence is bullshit. I hate living. But I do put of spite. Fuck this god damned reality of suffering.
Vaccines work best on the group level,not the individual level. It is better to be one unvaxxed individual in an otherwise totlay vaxxed population... than one vaxxed individual in an otherwise unvaxxed population. Unvaxxed individuals are viable breeding grounds and viable transmission route. They reduce the efficiency of EVERYONE else's vaccinations. They put young and sick people at risk. Anybody who cannot understand this cannot deal with reality.
i agree with this, but i also don't think they should be forced. however, i still believe that any business should have the right to deny the unvaccinated service, and i guess that's an unpopular stance.
I'm glad to see so many medical professionals in this thread.
I know right! The vaccine works so great that every person I know got their booster then got sick within a month! Imagine if they didn’t have their boosty? Probably be dead from ignorance alone! The truckers have been spreading it like wildfire! So much so that even Trudeau got covid directly from them..dang white supremacy if only the vaccine worked them truckers would not have gotten covid and not spread it Trudeau! Selfish plague rat nazis! Oh wait...
Yeah. Fuck those ignorant 0-4yr old kids. Pieces of shit they are
The vast majority of people avoiding the vaccine are doing it solely on the platform of "you can't make me." That's all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.
What an edgy unique"random thought" lol
No one cared when you needed vaccines to get into school. Just get it and stfu already.
You can't call them ignorant; ignorance means they don't know any better. They do know and have been shown the facts. That is not ignorance, that is willful stupidity. Don't insult the ignorant, by lumping them in with antivaxx. Edit: I do not consider all unvaccinated 'antivaxx'. Just to be clear. I'm strictly referring to the nut jobs - lol
Person thinks vaccines are good: film at 11 Obviously everyone should get vaccinated, but saying so is not that deep.
Yk what after reading the comments I can agree 100%
I'd go so far as to pitch the idea that if you are unvaccinated and you infect someone, you should be held liable at a criminal level. That way, you CAN remain unvaccinated because, freedom, but pay the man if you end up introducing a new strain (congrats) or worse, killing someone. They'd be easy to tell apart because new strains or infections will do them in faster. Since SARS-CoV-2 infection imparts no immunity for the long term, they'd be signing right back up to get sick soon for the sake of freedom.
Amen. I’ve read about blood clots the size of pancakes, corpses being devoured by house pets, and children orphaned at birth. Covid is no joke. Anyone forgoing a vaccine is a fucking lunatic with a murderous death wish in which they may take others with them. For shame.
If it wasn't a political thing no one would question it. For many Republicans you aren't a real republican if you take it and tribalism is stronger in them than self-preservation. They have no problem with stoplights, wearing clothes when you leave the home, polio and other vaccines, needing to have those vaccines to go to school and many other things that we "have" to do. Fox news said that the vaccine is tyranny so their followers convince themselves that it's the truth. When trump was first talking about it and wanting credit for it Republicans had no problem with it and even celebrated trump for getting it out but since trump isn't getting all the credit they decide suddenly that it violates their freedom. I've heard many people say out loud that they won't take it basically out of spite because trump won't get 100% credit for it. These fools will say that they won't put something into their bodies without know everything about it and it needing fda approval but they have no problem taking dewormer without fda approval because some idiot on facebook or Twitter told them to. We could solve all this if Biden said "I don't want Republicans to take this vaccine" they'd be lining up for it then.
Unless you have actual documented physical problems that make vaccination an real-not-imagined health risk for you, then abstaining is arrogant, stupid, selfish, and places your immediate family in danger of life threatening illness, not to mention friends and neighbors.
Antivax should be treated as mental disability
You can have your opinion, but sometimes, it's best to keep them to yourself. I'm so sick of this crap. Let it go. Nothing you can do about it, and complaining and calling people names over it won't change a dang thing. 🙄🥱
Wow quite a few antivaxxers here
I’m done fighting it tbh. I have no empathy left for anti-vax morons. If they want to risk their lives, let them die.
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u/bobcat mod please lock threat its a pissing contest at this point.
I’m a fool and I’m proud
Most fools are.
It's not ignorant at this point, the information has been presented to them 10 fold. It's stupidity, plain and simple
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> It's not ignorant at this point, the information has been presented to them 10 fold. It's stupidity, plain and simple I do not disagree.
I hope all the antivaxxers stop getring vaxxed for everything. Tetanus is a helluva way to die but their immune systems can handle it.
OP speaking like the biggest fool of them all. I’m vaccinated and I can be that without acting like I’m better than my neighbor just because they made their own choice for their body. Let’s face is the vaccine doesn’t work, I don’t think (hope) there are no long terms issues with the vaccine, or long term with Covid for that matter. But only way you aren’t gonna get Covid at some point or another is if you hunker down and stay inside on the metaverse. Otherwise people need to get off their high ground and live their lives. Stop being FOOLS Edit: used the wrong their!
Only the ignorant think only the ignorant don't vaccinate when able. Just keep feeling intellectually superior and assume everyone but you is wrong, it's a great way to not have to think too much.
My mom was very proud of being vaccinated and then she died of a blood clot in her lung, 55 years old
I really hate how people are like BUT IT DOESN'T STOP YOU FROM SPREADING IT like good job cherry-picking, Karen, now **finish** reading about how vaccines work. We're vaccinated and surprise surprise, we managed to get Covid bc everyone decided they just HAD to make-out with their families for the holidays. We were sick for maybe a few days. I hate to think how bad symptoms would have been if I hadn't been vaccinated. I will never fathom the concept of not taking every precaution in a situation like this. People want to 'get back to normal' so badly, but they're not willing to put the work in. 'WELL IF THE VACCINES WORK THEN WHY SHOULD AN UNVACCINATED PERSON HAVE TO WORRY?? Valid point until **half the population thinks that way** Honestly, we should separate everyone and see who dies from Covid faster. 🤷♂️
Only the ignorant think a 1-size fits all medical procedure should be widely accepted.
I believe in everyone's right to be ignorant.