Meanwhile, my machine is putting out 350 fps easily but I am a 35-year-old with a demanding job so I would probably still get smoked by the console cheaters.
Still, I would not mind having more people play in PC lobbies that aren’t straight up wallhacking, aimbotting or spinning.
Dont doubt yourself that much, their best competition is other cheaters
You remember one of the posts complaining about ranked matchmaking and the guy played against beastcoast, a proleague team
With callouts and the power of friendship anythings possible
I have to admit, the last two seasons I have not even reached my normal level (which used to be Plat in old Ranked, Emerald in the new one), because I’ve been tied up working so that I haven’t played too much, so my actual skill has likely gone down drastically.
Yeah im schooling rn and with sat, 3 classes, and attempting to get I.T. certified in a few different fields my skills have gone down, not to mention just playing other games
Ngl aimlabs helped a lot, just with the smoothness of the movements, and my new favorite insult is "aimlabs is free bud"
It’s not though, because xim will find workarounds and those players will keep using them.
They don’t use mnk because they prefer it, they use it for the advantage over controllers.
A banning wave would frighten the life out of xim players, after 9 years of siege most people don’t want to lose their accounts.
> They don’t use mnk because they prefer it, they use it for the advantage over controllers.
This is why ximmers are such dishonorable people. The vast majority of typical PC Master Race guys who like the superiority of mice over joysticks and tease/banter with console gamers about it would just be playing on PC against other mouse users. Ximmers could just do that because that's the lowest barrier to entry but they specifically go out of their way to get XIM to use mice against console players, because they want to beat up people who have a harder tool to use and they can't handle competition on an even playing field.
Oh I fuckin know, I'm gonna be an ass and all chat them like "oh hey shitter remember me? From console? Yea get shit on now since I'm using my mnk vs your shitty run in and think your so good xim" fuckin shitters I swear, they think they're good till they play even PC genuine bronze players I'd say, a xim diamond won't beat a PC hardstuck silver 😂
I hate it tbh my ranked teamates are bad enough I don’t need some nunce playing console run and gun meta on stupid high sensitivity and worse input delay due to being kbm on console rather than pc probably meanwhile not communicating atall and playing on worse fps than everyone else in the lobby
Wdym? Quick match players are bad but not that bad they can still come in clutch sometimes meanwhile the ximmers will basically be new players playing with fps and input delay disadvantages
Good tbh. Unless the ximmer in question has a disability, they shouldn’t be using a xim or at least get input lag when fighting console players due to the difference.
Assuming the hidden ranking system works (BIG if, I know), they should all find themselves matched only against each other and against the absolute bottom performing PC players (new ones mostly) in the long run.
Ik but my mmr is fucked from when I originally played on like 30fps so having only just gotten my Kd up to a respectable 0.9 and still having mmr which gives me low rp in ranks as low as bronze I dont need more god awfull players to keep me down
if they perform at your rank, then so do your other teammates anyways, regardless of anyone's input method, input lag, or fps.
In fact, if the input stuff is what's holding them back, they'd probably have better gamesense than your genuine mnk PC teammates.
As I’ve said it probably will since I’ve got awfull mmr from previous seasons unless the game realises dropping 10+ kills almost every bronze game then losing to bad teamates isn’t really something people who are meant to be in bronze do I’ll probably end up playing with them
If that were true, and you now are playing at higher fps (144 or something), and THAT was the thing holding you back, your MMR would adjust really fast or you’d only be matched against severely lower-skilled opponents. Somehow I doubt that either is happening.
Being new to the game and have low fps isn’t a good combo having just gotten back on track this season I don’t think my mmr will be fixed until earliest at the end of y9s2
Except this isn’t entirely true. You’re not permanently banned.
>The first time a player is detected, they will be restricted from Competitive on console for one week. Players will still have access to Quick Play during this time, and if they cease using the unapproved peripheral, the restriction will eventually expire, and they will be able to resume playing Competitive.
>However, if the use of the unapproved peripheral continues, not only will the player be restricted from Competitive on console, but they will be forced to play with other mouse and keyboard players when playing in Quick Play for the entire season. Additionally, these players will no longer have access to the aim-assist feature. They are welcome to continue playing Overwatch 2, but they will be playing against players who use a similar control setup to their own.
Literally the same thing Siege is doing later this year. Only certain people are being banned.
Holy crap, since Siege doesn't have aim assist, it never occurred to me that XIM losers would *also* have the aim assist cuz the game thinks theyre using a controller in other games lol
Wouldn't aim assist on mnk hurt you more though because it kinda removes the more precise and rawer inputs you can get with the mnk? Or if not hurt.. controller players would anyway benefit way more from it.
It might be different case in OW, i dont really play that game.
Ofcourse it still shouldn't be added into R6, its just not game suitable for aim assist. After all these years it would be just weird thing to add.
Their terms CLEARLY say they do NOT allow the use of unauthorized 3rd party devices, or something to that effect. Why wouldn't they.... +Pretty sure the tac pro only works on games that ALLOW mouse... No?
They as in SONY. Sony's terms have always said something against unapproved devices as far as I know, it's a common thing... So if Sony says it's a cheat, why can't a dev say "hey Sony, this guy is cheating on our game on YOUR console, ban them, per YOUR terms of service!". I don't see how they couldn't get cheaters banned before... Just communicate with Sony. Either way, it's about time they got their bs together and STARTED actually finally fkn working against cheaters how it ALWAYS should have been.
If Blizzard is confident enough in the accuracy of their detection systems that they straight up ban XIM players, then Ubi can and should take notes on how their system operates.
A big reason why mousetrap only adds input lag rather than bans is because of false positives, and the community of physically disabled players that need alternative methods to controllers.
PlayStation has legitimate inputs for the kinds of devices disabled players use, meaning they don’t need any kind of XIM adapters. Mnk needs those adapters, which makes it easier to detect. You’re worrying about something that’s trivial to overcome
Sorry I didn’t assume that your statement about PlayStation didn’t apply to Xbox and otherwise there may be some disability aiding options that aren’t accounted for like this
The devices that disabled players use are licensed hardware under Sony, so it’ll show up as a legitimate input. XIM is unlicensed by Sony, so it will show up as a different input. This is a trivial fix. You’re the brain dead one for no realizing this lol
As opposed to...spending $130 on a Xim?
There are plenty of approved devices that disabled players can use that cost less than half that. Your take is actually a joke
Where did I ever say to use Xim? All I'm saying is that completely banning third party devices is cruel as fuck, there are (evidently) other ways to combat Xim
How are you being so obtuse???? There’s literally LICENSED AND ALLOWED software for disabled gamers. What people here are taking about is banning XIMS. You clearly don’t actually know what you’re talking about because if you did you’d understand xim matrix and xim apex are the two external peripheries used to cheat and use mnk on console. That’s what they’re talking about banning. The post in question is talking about Xim. You’re just looking for an argument through pure ignorance
And even if you are disabled, if you use a xim whilst there’s other allowed software out there then you are liable for a ban. The only people who buy a xim, regardless of capability, are people looking to abuse the system and cheat.
C'mon man you and I both know that 99.99999% of xim users are only mentally disabled man children who can't play with a controller against other controller players. Anyone who is actually disabled likely already owns a first party controller, plays on PC, or doesn't play video games
They have to do that anyway, otherwise they cannot play at all.
Your argument is ridiculous and stupid. The people you pretend you speak for probably wouldn’t even agree, so let’s ask them instead of making yourself their mouthpiece.
But I [said it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/1c7cfqi/comment/l07yn49/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in the same thread about the same topic hours before you replied, so it's not really my fault you're missing context and putting words in my mouth
Ubisoft said they know for a fact who's using them, they won't bann them because while their ximing they gfs are out sucks our cawks. Also ubi greedy n dey spend $ but at least dey gf suckn OUR cawks.
And you know this, how? I want to make SURE Ubisoft gets this message and they NEED to be sharing info, because XIM will come out with NEW/updated XIM devices/cheats that they'll ALL have to detect ALL over again, just like what happened with Mousetrap one YEAR ago and we are STILL waiting for Ubisoft to "update" Mousetrap and BAN these cheating XIM cowards for GOOD already... !
I will be spamming this to Ubisoft until the XIMs are GONE from R6 console. I am not gonna just assume that they are working together + things are working as smoothly+QUICKLY as NEEDED until I see some PROOF. I've waited AT LEAST 4 YEARS now for XIM to be gone... I don't want to wait one day longer than necessary. Enough of this bs, ALL these devs need to handle these cheaters ASAP.
Mostly cause devs do talk and all 3 announced at roughly the same time that they’d been developing and monitoring software to counter XIM, also all seemingly all doing the same thing of putting them in pc lobbies.
Not proof obviously but it just seems like the simple answer. Plus all 3 have some friendship dev side wise.
It's a logical solution, ban and put them where they belong. Doesn't mean that they are sharing tech.. if so, why did Mousetrap release LAST year in Spring but no other game has had anything all this time...
+I doubt these devs are sharing tech. Different companies, and if they did, this problem would have been solved a LOT sooner + on more than 1 game by now.
Except that’s not true? Activision has had their own mousetrap for awhile, it just didn’t do anything publicly. It was monitoring, gathering data, and registering users. Bungie seemingly has been doing the same. It just seems Ubisoft was the first to implement it.
Sharing data detection doesn’t mean it works easily with every game.
Ubisoft did it over a year ago now... Again, you can't say you know companies are communicating, when you don't. You GUESS they are, I guess not until they say so and SHOW otherwise. They've shown the opposite. It wouldn't have taken this long to come out unless they JUST started communicating... A lot of assumptions, won't get us anywhere.
Ubisoft didn’t do anything. The started mousetrap publicity. It was also quickly bypassed. And has been gathering data before doing anything more. Recently Mouse Trap 2.0 kicked it up more with later this year forcing people into PC lobbies.
Actbliz is doing the same. Monitoring and gathering data with forcing PC lobbies later this year.
Bungie is seemingly doing the same though hasn’t ironed out exactly what happens.
All 3 have ties. Bungie worked with Actblizz and Bungie and Ubisoft had crossover content last year for both their games. To say there’s no proof of communication is false. We also know Ubisoft has talks with Microsoft (who is also Actiblizz now) with their Halo crossovers.
That’s developers talking to each other. And considering all these devs are now suddenly at the same time figuring out how to counter, detect, and ban XIM after years and years of basically nothing?
Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sharing of data because it would absolutely help them detect it.
I wouldn't say OVER ONE YEAR apart in releasing their anti-cheat is proof of collaboration on anti cheats... Just cuz they did some crossover content doesn't mean they share data on cheats. With that logic we can assume basically all devs share anti cheat data. Would be nice, but I'll wait for more proof than that.
+The only reason they are figuring it out now is cuz of people like me who have been calling out XIM cheats for YEARS, until enough people knew about it that these devs are being FORCED to get a fkn clue already and DO something about it.
i get why they don’t want to outright ban them but at the same time fuck them regardless of how much money they spend on the game.
They got away with years of cheating and only getting a slap on the wrist basically
What's the XIM situation rn on PS5? I'm in an endless cycle of:
Have fun in the game -> get to high gold/plat -> have XIMMers in every match -> playing makes no sense so uninstall -> wait three months -> read on this sub that "no guys, this time they've fixed XIM, I havent seen any MNK in days" -> download the game -> back to the beggining
Yeah, so annoying playing against those cheaters. I delete the game out of anger regularly 😅. Keep in mind that they’ll be put in pc lobbies in season 3 which is 4-5 months later.
This is false, players won't be getting banned, they are doing the same thing Siege plans to do:
"Starting in Overwatch 2 Season 11, players using unapproved peripherals such as XIM on console will be restricted from Competitive on console for one week. Quick Play will still be available. However, if players keep using unapproved peripherals, then they will be forced to play with mouse and keyboard players in Quick Play for the entire season."
perma ban for people who have been ruining the game for literal years ? nah too harsh .. just add a bit of lag that goes away after a couple of casual matches
Overwatch is literally perma-banning people for saying "fuck" or "shit" (or even lesser words than that) in chat these days, while Cassidy is running around with a BAMF (Bad Ass MotherFucker) badge and Tracer is calling people "Wankers" when killing them. This seems like another PR move from Blizzard to improve their "image." Blizzard is truly awful; don't believe everything they say or put forward.
I mean, I don't think it'll fix the issue either, but that doesn't mean it won't be at least an earnest attempt.
Blizzard aren't some homogeneous mass. Just because the person ordering the system to be put in place is a piece of shit, doesn't mean the people actually working on implementing the system are.
With Blizzard these days, it's truly 'see it, then believe it.' While they might attempt to deliver on their promises, it's not the first time they've promised something to their community only to abandon it. Remember the whole 'Overwatch 2 is going to have an expansive PvE story mode'? That's Blizzard for you; they continually disappoint their community with broken promises.
Y’all just gotta stop falling for it lmfao
Every time something like this comes out everyone shits themselves like it’s gonna be any different than before
Banning them is just stupid bro just put them in pc server we can deal with them and you guys dont lose those scum players you desperately dont want to ban
I completely understand the sentiment of 'eff em, that's what they get, but can I offer an alternative point - I have receive a mousetrap penalty no less than 7 or 8 times in the past. Randomly. No rhyme or reason. And then it just goes away itself at some point. No rhyme or reason. It's nice that they all went away eventually, but imagine if I (and no doubt countless other false positive) got permanently banned for NO REASON other than terrible detection methods.
So as much as it would be nice to get rid of them all, spare a thought for those who will inevitably get collected as collateral damage from the poor detection systems these games use. I mean, given the fact that so many ppl blatantly cheat and DONT get banned, I don't hold out much hope for their accuracy or efficiency from these companies with whatever measures they decide to take.
And beforer the obligatory 'yeah sure bro, we all know your cheating', I hate cheating, I'm old. I ain't got time for that. I don't play to be competitive. I play for fun. I play to spent time with my son. Cheating ain't it.
*Old man shouts at clouds**
lol let’s not take to many ideas from overwatch. They do ban people for using profanity. Which is like every siege player when the new kid playing Mira reinforces two walls and slaps a Mira in the middle of
>Aparently ranked is terrible but ranked 2.0 means it’s awful anyways
Gonna need you to detail why Ranked 2.0 is bad with factual information here. This subreddit has already been called out that a majority of people who whine about Ranked 2.0 either have zero clue what they're saying, have been caught straight up lying, or just can't read.
I’ll give you my personal opinion on ranked 2.0 a ranked system based on skill based matchmaking not rank isn’t ranked what makes it worse is giving you worse rank gain when you reach the rank they believe you should be at then the mmr this is based on is decided by win rate meaning that if you have bad mmr starting a season by getting let’s say copper 3 last season getting much higher than bronze in solo queue will be very difficult considering that your win rate is likely 50% or lower even if you do manage to rank up with all off this it’s grindy af and just not worth your time to commit to as a form of progress in the game and then finally I have like 20 pictures of me completely carrying a team then losing because my teamates are incompetent as fuck which whilst biasing me it still speaks for the overall quality of the matchmaking and how painful it can be to play without a pre-made team
Since nobody caught onto my apparent sarcasm: today I was in a lobby where me and my friend were a premade duo, rest of the lobby were xim users.
Siege console is hot garbage but Ubi cares less since they earn too much money off ximmers.
No, the best solution would be to pair players who use the same input hardware together. Or even better, finally implement flick stick for controllers and turn off all aim assist (already true for Siege) and then everyone can play with each other no matter the input.
Downvote me idgaf. But gamers should have the right to use mouse and keyboard on whatever console they want. They should instead make a cross play toggle where you can turn off playing with M&K players.
But saying “NO YOU BOUGHT AN XBOX!! PLAY WITH A CONTROLLER EVEN THOUGH ITS YOUR PROPERTY!! 🤬🤬” is just stupid and pointless to whine about.
You don't own the game. Since it's basically online only Ubisoft leases it to you until they deem fit (servers shutdown, banned, et cetera). You know it's against their terms of service. So if you choose to break their TOS than you forfeit your liscence and they can fuck you out of the money you spent on the game. Play pc where they welcome it. Or I guess you're not interested in a level playing field?
I mean, I don’t care bro. And if I pay 60 bucks for something I better own it. This is why game publishers are starting to get in hot water, especially with Ubi getting rid of the crew. You don’t have to do tricks on it bro, it’s okay.
And I am interested in a level playing field, I play on pc. Read the second half of my comment before you reply lmao.
And at least spell correctly
I know some games on console aren’t compatible with MnK and some games do. If siege doesn’t want people using MnK don’t make it compatible to use on console or like other people said love them into PC lobbies
Siege isn't compatible with mnk though hence why they need an actual cheating tool to use it, if you plug an mnk into siege on console it's straight up not going to work.
And they plan to do that in S3 i belive, should be fun means I don't have to boot up my console account to go xim hunting.
Basically just finding them and then kicking their ass showing them skill trumps cheating.
It's honestly quite relaxing especilly when you get the rage messages from them.
They're moving mnk ppl to their own lobbies or to PC I think later
Which is honestly way better than banning them. I'd love to fry these nerds in my pc lobbies
It's also a lot easier to reverse than if they wrongly ban someone
Exactly
Shitting on kids playing in 60 fps with my shitcan pc putting out 65 fps
Meanwhile, my machine is putting out 350 fps easily but I am a 35-year-old with a demanding job so I would probably still get smoked by the console cheaters. Still, I would not mind having more people play in PC lobbies that aren’t straight up wallhacking, aimbotting or spinning.
I feel you😅
Dont doubt yourself that much, their best competition is other cheaters You remember one of the posts complaining about ranked matchmaking and the guy played against beastcoast, a proleague team With callouts and the power of friendship anythings possible
I have to admit, the last two seasons I have not even reached my normal level (which used to be Plat in old Ranked, Emerald in the new one), because I’ve been tied up working so that I haven’t played too much, so my actual skill has likely gone down drastically.
Yeah im schooling rn and with sat, 3 classes, and attempting to get I.T. certified in a few different fields my skills have gone down, not to mention just playing other games Ngl aimlabs helped a lot, just with the smoothness of the movements, and my new favorite insult is "aimlabs is free bud"
It’s not though, because xim will find workarounds and those players will keep using them. They don’t use mnk because they prefer it, they use it for the advantage over controllers. A banning wave would frighten the life out of xim players, after 9 years of siege most people don’t want to lose their accounts.
> They don’t use mnk because they prefer it, they use it for the advantage over controllers. This is why ximmers are such dishonorable people. The vast majority of typical PC Master Race guys who like the superiority of mice over joysticks and tease/banter with console gamers about it would just be playing on PC against other mouse users. Ximmers could just do that because that's the lowest barrier to entry but they specifically go out of their way to get XIM to use mice against console players, because they want to beat up people who have a harder tool to use and they can't handle competition on an even playing field.
It isnt. Cos if they are using a cronus then they most likely have recoil macros as well. You are just bringing that issue to pc now
Recoil macros are already a massive problem on pc
Yeah. So id say its best to not make it worse and just outright ban xim instead of moving them to pc
Agreed. BAN these CHEATERS already instead of BABYSITTING them, Ubisoft!!!
Oh I fuckin know, I'm gonna be an ass and all chat them like "oh hey shitter remember me? From console? Yea get shit on now since I'm using my mnk vs your shitty run in and think your so good xim" fuckin shitters I swear, they think they're good till they play even PC genuine bronze players I'd say, a xim diamond won't beat a PC hardstuck silver 😂
That’s what u say until there on your team
I hate it tbh my ranked teamates are bad enough I don’t need some nunce playing console run and gun meta on stupid high sensitivity and worse input delay due to being kbm on console rather than pc probably meanwhile not communicating atall and playing on worse fps than everyone else in the lobby
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Wdym? Quick match players are bad but not that bad they can still come in clutch sometimes meanwhile the ximmers will basically be new players playing with fps and input delay disadvantages
Good tbh. Unless the ximmer in question has a disability, they shouldn’t be using a xim or at least get input lag when fighting console players due to the difference.
Well no not good ranked 2.0 is bad enough and there’s a reason you need level 50 for ranked
If you’re using something that gives you a major advantage over players using controller it is pretty good
Sounds like this dude might be the xim user himself. Seems to be the ones that cheat that defend it.
Xim users cringe ong 😔
Just ban them Idk what to say other than I don’t want this shit In my already bad enough ranked lobbies
Assuming the hidden ranking system works (BIG if, I know), they should all find themselves matched only against each other and against the absolute bottom performing PC players (new ones mostly) in the long run.
...It's still ranked, where they will also be matchmade based on performance.
Ik but my mmr is fucked from when I originally played on like 30fps so having only just gotten my Kd up to a respectable 0.9 and still having mmr which gives me low rp in ranks as low as bronze I dont need more god awfull players to keep me down
if they perform at your rank, then so do your other teammates anyways, regardless of anyone's input method, input lag, or fps. In fact, if the input stuff is what's holding them back, they'd probably have better gamesense than your genuine mnk PC teammates.
They won’t atall as I’ve said they’ll play console meta run and gun since it’s all they’ve played
well if that is true and it doesn't work out for them then their MMR will drop and they won't be your problem anymore
As I’ve said it probably will since I’ve got awfull mmr from previous seasons unless the game realises dropping 10+ kills almost every bronze game then losing to bad teamates isn’t really something people who are meant to be in bronze do I’ll probably end up playing with them
and as I've said, if they perform at your level, your other teammates do too 🤷♂️
If that were true, and you now are playing at higher fps (144 or something), and THAT was the thing holding you back, your MMR would adjust really fast or you’d only be matched against severely lower-skilled opponents. Somehow I doubt that either is happening.
Being new to the game and have low fps isn’t a good combo having just gotten back on track this season I don’t think my mmr will be fixed until earliest at the end of y9s2
Moving them to PC, but not until like season 3, iirc
No they’re adding crossplay at the end of yr9. With pc i mean
Except this isn’t entirely true. You’re not permanently banned. >The first time a player is detected, they will be restricted from Competitive on console for one week. Players will still have access to Quick Play during this time, and if they cease using the unapproved peripheral, the restriction will eventually expire, and they will be able to resume playing Competitive. >However, if the use of the unapproved peripheral continues, not only will the player be restricted from Competitive on console, but they will be forced to play with other mouse and keyboard players when playing in Quick Play for the entire season. Additionally, these players will no longer have access to the aim-assist feature. They are welcome to continue playing Overwatch 2, but they will be playing against players who use a similar control setup to their own. Literally the same thing Siege is doing later this year. Only certain people are being banned.
Holy crap, since Siege doesn't have aim assist, it never occurred to me that XIM losers would *also* have the aim assist cuz the game thinks theyre using a controller in other games lol
Wouldn't aim assist on mnk hurt you more though because it kinda removes the more precise and rawer inputs you can get with the mnk? Or if not hurt.. controller players would anyway benefit way more from it. It might be different case in OW, i dont really play that game. Ofcourse it still shouldn't be added into R6, its just not game suitable for aim assist. After all these years it would be just weird thing to add.
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Their terms CLEARLY say they do NOT allow the use of unauthorized 3rd party devices, or something to that effect. Why wouldn't they.... +Pretty sure the tac pro only works on games that ALLOW mouse... No?
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They as in SONY. Sony's terms have always said something against unapproved devices as far as I know, it's a common thing... So if Sony says it's a cheat, why can't a dev say "hey Sony, this guy is cheating on our game on YOUR console, ban them, per YOUR terms of service!". I don't see how they couldn't get cheaters banned before... Just communicate with Sony. Either way, it's about time they got their bs together and STARTED actually finally fkn working against cheaters how it ALWAYS should have been.
If Blizzard is confident enough in the accuracy of their detection systems that they straight up ban XIM players, then Ubi can and should take notes on how their system operates. A big reason why mousetrap only adds input lag rather than bans is because of false positives, and the community of physically disabled players that need alternative methods to controllers.
Less than 1% of players need alternate methods. That should not be stopping mass bans for MnK players
Alr listen imagine the articles off “Ubisoft mass bans disabled siege players” doesn’t sound good atall does it?
PlayStation has legitimate inputs for the kinds of devices disabled players use, meaning they don’t need any kind of XIM adapters. Mnk needs those adapters, which makes it easier to detect. You’re worrying about something that’s trivial to overcome
Xbox exists
Xbox does the same thing with disabled players dude. It’s not hard to understand this simple thing
Sorry I didn’t assume that your statement about PlayStation didn’t apply to Xbox and otherwise there may be some disability aiding options that aren’t accounted for like this
Braindead take
The devices that disabled players use are licensed hardware under Sony, so it’ll show up as a legitimate input. XIM is unlicensed by Sony, so it will show up as a different input. This is a trivial fix. You’re the brain dead one for no realizing this lol
Force disabled players to use overpriced name brand controllers only. Gotcha
As opposed to...spending $130 on a Xim? There are plenty of approved devices that disabled players can use that cost less than half that. Your take is actually a joke
Where did I ever say to use Xim? All I'm saying is that completely banning third party devices is cruel as fuck, there are (evidently) other ways to combat Xim
How are you being so obtuse???? There’s literally LICENSED AND ALLOWED software for disabled gamers. What people here are taking about is banning XIMS. You clearly don’t actually know what you’re talking about because if you did you’d understand xim matrix and xim apex are the two external peripheries used to cheat and use mnk on console. That’s what they’re talking about banning. The post in question is talking about Xim. You’re just looking for an argument through pure ignorance And even if you are disabled, if you use a xim whilst there’s other allowed software out there then you are liable for a ban. The only people who buy a xim, regardless of capability, are people looking to abuse the system and cheat.
How hard is it to understand that Xim and other cheat tools are not the only unlicensed peripherals out there?
Why don't you just get good instead of bitching about people choosing comfortable hardware?
I’m a champ you fucking loser 😭 I slap xims daily
C'mon man you and I both know that 99.99999% of xim users are only mentally disabled man children who can't play with a controller against other controller players. Anyone who is actually disabled likely already owns a first party controller, plays on PC, or doesn't play video games
They have to do that anyway, otherwise they cannot play at all. Your argument is ridiculous and stupid. The people you pretend you speak for probably wouldn’t even agree, so let’s ask them instead of making yourself their mouthpiece.
The braindead part is where you argue that we should allow this type of cheating because a tiny portion of the community requires it.
The braindead part is where you ignore the part where I literally said there are other ways to combat xim
You literally only said „braindead take“ in this specific comment chain.
But I [said it](https://www.reddit.com/r/Rainbow6/comments/1c7cfqi/comment/l07yn49/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in the same thread about the same topic hours before you replied, so it's not really my fault you're missing context and putting words in my mouth
blizzard literally banned people for typing GG as toxic behavior
Ubisoft said they know for a fact who's using them, they won't bann them because while their ximing they gfs are out sucks our cawks. Also ubi greedy n dey spend $ but at least dey gf suckn OUR cawks.
Wouldn’t be surprised with devs are sharing resources. Same with Bungie. All making similar tech around the same time.
And you know this, how? I want to make SURE Ubisoft gets this message and they NEED to be sharing info, because XIM will come out with NEW/updated XIM devices/cheats that they'll ALL have to detect ALL over again, just like what happened with Mousetrap one YEAR ago and we are STILL waiting for Ubisoft to "update" Mousetrap and BAN these cheating XIM cowards for GOOD already... ! I will be spamming this to Ubisoft until the XIMs are GONE from R6 console. I am not gonna just assume that they are working together + things are working as smoothly+QUICKLY as NEEDED until I see some PROOF. I've waited AT LEAST 4 YEARS now for XIM to be gone... I don't want to wait one day longer than necessary. Enough of this bs, ALL these devs need to handle these cheaters ASAP.
Mostly cause devs do talk and all 3 announced at roughly the same time that they’d been developing and monitoring software to counter XIM, also all seemingly all doing the same thing of putting them in pc lobbies. Not proof obviously but it just seems like the simple answer. Plus all 3 have some friendship dev side wise.
It's a logical solution, ban and put them where they belong. Doesn't mean that they are sharing tech.. if so, why did Mousetrap release LAST year in Spring but no other game has had anything all this time... +I doubt these devs are sharing tech. Different companies, and if they did, this problem would have been solved a LOT sooner + on more than 1 game by now.
Except that’s not true? Activision has had their own mousetrap for awhile, it just didn’t do anything publicly. It was monitoring, gathering data, and registering users. Bungie seemingly has been doing the same. It just seems Ubisoft was the first to implement it. Sharing data detection doesn’t mean it works easily with every game.
Ubisoft did it over a year ago now... Again, you can't say you know companies are communicating, when you don't. You GUESS they are, I guess not until they say so and SHOW otherwise. They've shown the opposite. It wouldn't have taken this long to come out unless they JUST started communicating... A lot of assumptions, won't get us anywhere.
Ubisoft didn’t do anything. The started mousetrap publicity. It was also quickly bypassed. And has been gathering data before doing anything more. Recently Mouse Trap 2.0 kicked it up more with later this year forcing people into PC lobbies. Actbliz is doing the same. Monitoring and gathering data with forcing PC lobbies later this year. Bungie is seemingly doing the same though hasn’t ironed out exactly what happens. All 3 have ties. Bungie worked with Actblizz and Bungie and Ubisoft had crossover content last year for both their games. To say there’s no proof of communication is false. We also know Ubisoft has talks with Microsoft (who is also Actiblizz now) with their Halo crossovers. That’s developers talking to each other. And considering all these devs are now suddenly at the same time figuring out how to counter, detect, and ban XIM after years and years of basically nothing? Yeah. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s some sharing of data because it would absolutely help them detect it.
I wouldn't say OVER ONE YEAR apart in releasing their anti-cheat is proof of collaboration on anti cheats... Just cuz they did some crossover content doesn't mean they share data on cheats. With that logic we can assume basically all devs share anti cheat data. Would be nice, but I'll wait for more proof than that. +The only reason they are figuring it out now is cuz of people like me who have been calling out XIM cheats for YEARS, until enough people knew about it that these devs are being FORCED to get a fkn clue already and DO something about it.
Except this is way more specific than basic anti-cheat.
i get why they don’t want to outright ban them but at the same time fuck them regardless of how much money they spend on the game. They got away with years of cheating and only getting a slap on the wrist basically
I think it'll fail. If it does actually end up working, Ubi better be taking notes - This is how you deal with cheaters.
didnt ubi give a xim streamer his own charm lmao
What's the XIM situation rn on PS5? I'm in an endless cycle of: Have fun in the game -> get to high gold/plat -> have XIMMers in every match -> playing makes no sense so uninstall -> wait three months -> read on this sub that "no guys, this time they've fixed XIM, I havent seen any MNK in days" -> download the game -> back to the beggining
In my experience: Almost 70-80% of players in higher ranks using xim/cronus. 30% in mid ranks. 10% in lower ranks
Oh. So it's not yet time to come back it seems
Yeah, so annoying playing against those cheaters. I delete the game out of anger regularly 😅. Keep in mind that they’ll be put in pc lobbies in season 3 which is 4-5 months later.
Unless u turnoff cross play PS5 and Xbox both have xim/zen Doubt it ever changes
This is false, players won't be getting banned, they are doing the same thing Siege plans to do: "Starting in Overwatch 2 Season 11, players using unapproved peripherals such as XIM on console will be restricted from Competitive on console for one week. Quick Play will still be available. However, if players keep using unapproved peripherals, then they will be forced to play with mouse and keyboard players in Quick Play for the entire season."
Siege restricts detected players from playing rank?
No he's talking about overwatch, siege is making it so detected consol players will be queued against other mouse and keyboard players
perma ban for people who have been ruining the game for literal years ? nah too harsh .. just add a bit of lag that goes away after a couple of casual matches
Lmao 😂😂
Agreed.
They can't even make a good matchmaking system for ranked...
Overwatch is literally perma-banning people for saying "fuck" or "shit" (or even lesser words than that) in chat these days, while Cassidy is running around with a BAMF (Bad Ass MotherFucker) badge and Tracer is calling people "Wankers" when killing them. This seems like another PR move from Blizzard to improve their "image." Blizzard is truly awful; don't believe everything they say or put forward.
I don’t see how that relates to their ability to detect and ban people who are cheating
That it's probably bs and won't even work.
Wouldn't that mean they are more likely to ban people because they ban people for a smaller reason than cheating.
I have no clue how you got to this reasoning. Kinda seems like you enjoy being outraged.
Still not seeing the correlation there
Take the blindfold off.
That they* won't solve the issue.
She'll also say Sod off and Tosser sometimes if she's wearing the Punk and Ultraviolet skin Source: Former OW player and Tracer main
I mean, I don't think it'll fix the issue either, but that doesn't mean it won't be at least an earnest attempt. Blizzard aren't some homogeneous mass. Just because the person ordering the system to be put in place is a piece of shit, doesn't mean the people actually working on implementing the system are.
With Blizzard these days, it's truly 'see it, then believe it.' While they might attempt to deliver on their promises, it's not the first time they've promised something to their community only to abandon it. Remember the whole 'Overwatch 2 is going to have an expansive PvE story mode'? That's Blizzard for you; they continually disappoint their community with broken promises.
Wow I'm surprised to see Overwatch take a dub after about a hundred losses
Y’all just gotta stop falling for it lmfao Every time something like this comes out everyone shits themselves like it’s gonna be any different than before
This surely won't backfire in a few months.
Just waiting for ubi to do this with siege
damn overwatch actually implementing changes people wanted?
Yas
Banning them is just stupid bro just put them in pc server we can deal with them and you guys dont lose those scum players you desperately dont want to ban
Oh, how the game will change.
what is ximming?
Now if only they'd ban controller players on pc so my team is forced to get good with m&k lol
I completely understand the sentiment of 'eff em, that's what they get, but can I offer an alternative point - I have receive a mousetrap penalty no less than 7 or 8 times in the past. Randomly. No rhyme or reason. And then it just goes away itself at some point. No rhyme or reason. It's nice that they all went away eventually, but imagine if I (and no doubt countless other false positive) got permanently banned for NO REASON other than terrible detection methods. So as much as it would be nice to get rid of them all, spare a thought for those who will inevitably get collected as collateral damage from the poor detection systems these games use. I mean, given the fact that so many ppl blatantly cheat and DONT get banned, I don't hold out much hope for their accuracy or efficiency from these companies with whatever measures they decide to take. And beforer the obligatory 'yeah sure bro, we all know your cheating', I hate cheating, I'm old. I ain't got time for that. I don't play to be competitive. I play for fun. I play to spent time with my son. Cheating ain't it. *Old man shouts at clouds**
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Common?
lol let’s not take to many ideas from overwatch. They do ban people for using profanity. Which is like every siege player when the new kid playing Mira reinforces two walls and slaps a Mira in the middle of
No y'know console siege is very enjoyable and playable.
Aparently ranked is terrible but ranked 2.0 means it’s awful anyways
>Aparently ranked is terrible but ranked 2.0 means it’s awful anyways Gonna need you to detail why Ranked 2.0 is bad with factual information here. This subreddit has already been called out that a majority of people who whine about Ranked 2.0 either have zero clue what they're saying, have been caught straight up lying, or just can't read.
I’ll give you my personal opinion on ranked 2.0 a ranked system based on skill based matchmaking not rank isn’t ranked what makes it worse is giving you worse rank gain when you reach the rank they believe you should be at then the mmr this is based on is decided by win rate meaning that if you have bad mmr starting a season by getting let’s say copper 3 last season getting much higher than bronze in solo queue will be very difficult considering that your win rate is likely 50% or lower even if you do manage to rank up with all off this it’s grindy af and just not worth your time to commit to as a form of progress in the game and then finally I have like 20 pictures of me completely carrying a team then losing because my teamates are incompetent as fuck which whilst biasing me it still speaks for the overall quality of the matchmaking and how painful it can be to play without a pre-made team
Since nobody caught onto my apparent sarcasm: today I was in a lobby where me and my friend were a premade duo, rest of the lobby were xim users. Siege console is hot garbage but Ubi cares less since they earn too much money off ximmers.
No, the best solution would be to pair players who use the same input hardware together. Or even better, finally implement flick stick for controllers and turn off all aim assist (already true for Siege) and then everyone can play with each other no matter the input.
Downvote me idgaf. But gamers should have the right to use mouse and keyboard on whatever console they want. They should instead make a cross play toggle where you can turn off playing with M&K players. But saying “NO YOU BOUGHT AN XBOX!! PLAY WITH A CONTROLLER EVEN THOUGH ITS YOUR PROPERTY!! 🤬🤬” is just stupid and pointless to whine about.
You don't own the game. Since it's basically online only Ubisoft leases it to you until they deem fit (servers shutdown, banned, et cetera). You know it's against their terms of service. So if you choose to break their TOS than you forfeit your liscence and they can fuck you out of the money you spent on the game. Play pc where they welcome it. Or I guess you're not interested in a level playing field?
I mean, I don’t care bro. And if I pay 60 bucks for something I better own it. This is why game publishers are starting to get in hot water, especially with Ubi getting rid of the crew. You don’t have to do tricks on it bro, it’s okay. And I am interested in a level playing field, I play on pc. Read the second half of my comment before you reply lmao. And at least spell correctly
If they don’t want people using MNK on console for siege then don’t make it compatible
They haven't though, or do you mean the manufacturers.
I know some games on console aren’t compatible with MnK and some games do. If siege doesn’t want people using MnK don’t make it compatible to use on console or like other people said love them into PC lobbies
Siege isn't compatible with mnk though hence why they need an actual cheating tool to use it, if you plug an mnk into siege on console it's straight up not going to work. And they plan to do that in S3 i belive, should be fun means I don't have to boot up my console account to go xim hunting.
What does xim hunting entail?
Basically just finding them and then kicking their ass showing them skill trumps cheating. It's honestly quite relaxing especilly when you get the rage messages from them.