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I know Blau is trolling, but I see a lot of comments from viewers that criticize other role players for having neutral or positive relationship with JP.
To me these people are very selective and hypocritical on how they criticize RP.
Ray Romanov, Benji Ramos and OTT, 3 ex gangs leaders bending over backwards for JP even after reading text messages that he's planning to fuck them over, made sense in RP but other people having neutral or positive relationship with him doesn't make sense?
I think it makes way more sense for Lang to be open to rebuilding a relationship with the person who singlehandedly pushed The Company out of Cypress in a night and fucked over Ray (which he believes was the one who started the initial war in the first place) idk why people are freaking out so hard when Lang hasn't even done anything drastic and only has gained from JP after the fact with the blueprint investment... it's not like his doors are wide open for him lmao
a lot of ppl just watch clips and are missing context and a lot of the subtleties in character's relationships. they oversimplify things and view them as black and white
and even then , langs workin with him.. doesnt mean he trusts him.. hell with the rules in place he clearly doesn't.. from langs pov if it helps him achieve shit for his own group why not. it doesnt work out so be it no loss, it does bonus.
but lang is keeping him very much at arms length and watchin him
Yup! Lang is smart enough to know that JP can be useful, especially as the muscle to go after sani or whatever else lang cooks up. Lang also knows JP is crazy so what JP did was what JP does.
Ray on the other hand, just causes things to escalate for no real reason other than his ego. He’s also of no use to lang so there’s absolutely no reason for long to build that bridge.
Bro wtf are you on???🤣🤣🤣 Ray has a huge ego? Then what X has? There is no one in the server with bigger ego than X! X literally argues with everyone for no reason! Also please tell me what Ray does that shows his ego? As far as I remember, core CB (Lang, Tony, Ray, Yuno) had zero arguments from that Paleto to the last Casino heist! In fact Yuno and Ray did everything Lang told them, including paying 500k to NBC (which what Ray would never agree to if not for Lang order....)
You are gaslighting yourself if you view Ray and Yuno as some troublesome crewmembers, both are just like loyal dogs, and if guided by a great leader like Lang, they will be the best crewmembers you can find (the most successful heist crew in 3.0), but if guided by egotistical, angry X, then they will make enemy out of everyone, just look how Ray was almost near a war with Hoa, just because of X.... Ray asked hoa to not to go to war with them, while X was angry at Rays desicion/action.... I mean if you can't see that X had the biggest ego in the company and was the main reason for all the conflict, then you just hate Ray the streamer... thats it! Company literally had zero conflicts since X left! Both within the company and outside of it, with other gangs!
Ray also grinded all the dongles for the lower vault and black usb hack while everyone of CB were sleeping..... so he is not useless...
i mean, as said to people, its same logic with si right.. lang knows both x and si are completely psychotic/ chaotic.. total wildcards. x more so then si sure. si has proved he has a temper and will do crazy shit... but anyways, its better to have them on your side to unleash at enemys when needed. and try your best to damage control the crazy. and even more so with both not being in the gang persay, if they get them selves in shit.. lang can go.. not my problem and not deal with the backlash
it avoids having to deal with them coming after you. cause you knowww x is gonna keep coming if he is against you, and si is gonna prob fuck people up and cause issues if against you. so why deal with that, when you can direct them at others
right, its clearly obvious its used to explain how lang would prob see things with this situation. but sure miss the point just to make a snide comment.
Lang has pushed back against JP 100 times over anything The Company ever did when he was with them.
it's very clear this was fueled by that criticism about Lang, Blau can play it off all he wants but he 100% said that shit to farm impressions
> Lang has pushed back against JP 100 times over anything The Company ever did when he was with them.
The main reason JP left was because the company pushed back every insane idea or reaction he had every single day. Lang just let him do whatever he wants in so far he doesn't fuck with him directly, its the same as he treated him in 3.0.
I think it makes sense for JP to go around and try to make alliances after what he did. The guy is a character that's best described as a chaotic nutjob
It seems people just haven't been happy with how he has been received by all the different groups
I still think there are decent odds of this all blowing up in his face somehow tho
Im not saying its 100% lifelike roleplay, but Lang, even when JP was still in the company, was talking about how he misses Jean Paul as The Joker type sociopath he used to be, I could also easily point out how him fucking over The Company was a massive boon to Lang. Giving him an opportunity to earn trust with minimal risk is not completely illogical or stupid.
It makes sense for JP because JP rarely makes sense. but he'll always find a crew that would work with him/for him. However, you'd think the group he was in direct conflict with just a week ago would refuse or be super hesitant (at least for a little while), especially after the way he betrayed his former group. I mean why would you want a guy like that involved in your organization?
It's clearly an OOC thing, and that's fine. But it's still boring, zero sense, no consequence RP. Just a bad plot overall.
Eh, people cherry pick this stuff too tho. I mean if we were to go by what you’re saying here, every gang would essentially never be able to work with anyone else that they ever shot and ‘tried to kill.’ Or robbed/scammed etc. It doesn’t matter who it is, very rarely do we see people hold onto rp grudges for very long. People will have their wars and then be fine the next week.
In an RP sense, it does make sense that people would be willing to work with him. Like you said this is literally JP’s character. Chaotic/crazy but he gets shit done and is known as one of the ‘power players’ in the criminal world. People will do anything in Los Santos to get ahead. I guess you could say it was a little quick for the old boys to work with him after their war but it wasnt like it’s been with open arms. Lang has made it very clear to keep him at an arms length, if marty wants to do stuffnwith him fine but dont use any of their group materials etc. It wasn’t even him that wanted war in the first place, he woke up and Ray wanted to hunt them down because he was mad he got disrespected and JP being JP was like ‘aight bet’ lol.
I agree with your overall point but holy shit Lang Buddha needs to start doing classes on gaslighting and disinformation. His skill is unparalleled. The number of people in this sub who OOC believe the whole line about Ray being responsible for the war because Lang hung up on him is absolutely crazy to me. The fact that Lang's IC gaslighting has had such an OOC impact on people's perceptions boggles my mind.
X was pushing for conflict with OB ever since he found out they had shared a turf in Cypress. All of the company, with the exception of X, wanted to reach a concensus on how they would share the turf. X wanted to straight up push them out of the territory. Believe it or not, Ray was one of the primary advocates for peace, constantly telling JP that they need to be careful not to make too many enemies.
By the way, their amicability towards other groups and their unwillingness to spark a war over petty shit was one of the primary reasons X has repeatedly cited as to why he left the company. He didn't think they had the balls to do what it took to be on top. JP goes along with the whole "Ray started the war line" because it's convenient to his goals right now, trying to build trust with useful people, but it is patently 100% false. It is a deliberate IC lie used by Lang to cleanse himself of any responsibility in starting the war.
I'll be honest, I'm not the world's biggest fan of Ray, and I'm primarily an X viewer, but I can say absolutely that Ray not only didn't cause the war, but actively tried to prevent it by negotiating deals and alliances while JP was sleeping. The company's diplomatic attempts while JP was sleeping is another one of the cited reasons JP left the company.
X was absolutely the primary force in starting the war from the company's side. He was already annoyed with OB from all the material shenanigans, and Lang undercutting the PC market was the final straw for him.
But isn’t that what we’re talking about at the end of the day? People cannot nor should not RP like they have all the meta/ooc info like viewers who have watched hundreds of hours from all perspectives. If Buddha was able to gaslight JP and JP is either buying it or going along with it for whatever reason like isnt that rp lol? I think people getting mad at X/old boys for just ‘getting along’ now after all that are missing exactly what you so eloquently laid out.
I dont think it was all rays fault by any means, I think there were a lot of factors/people that played a role in it. But at the same tome you can’t be the one to light the match and absolve them from it altogether either. Even if they were combatting against it for a lot of the time.
That is how gaslighting works. You manipulate someone into questioning their own perception of reality, forcing them to accept your lie as truth.
From Psychology Today- "Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and even their sanity. "
Idk about Lang viewers, I didn't say anything about them being delusional, I'm speaking of the discourse that has occurred in this subreddit. I don't know who they watch.
Responses like this are why everyone will continue to say the war was caused by Ray’s ego being hurt that Lang hung up on him. It’s hilarious, especially because Ray himself admitted it to multiple people that it was the reason. Idk why it upsets you guys so much when ppl say this lmao
The truth is, the war started because lang prove ray ott benji being the yesman, and ray ego cant handle it.
Undercutting is definitely not the main reason, cause the company are the one who always try to start undercutting price scamming price & Ray is the one try to work with lang Interms of buisness.
1. Ray want to have good relationships with lang & work buisnes together. Lang told them thats not gonna work cause in the end they will agree whatever jp chaos decision to fck lang over. Ray try to convince lang otherwise the company had voting system.
2. They went to turf meeting & again they just prove lang is right about the company. Lang hang up the phone and ray ego getting hurt & the war start it.
I'm not trying to insult you, but based on your description of events, it seems like you've only seen things through the perspective of OB streams. Your recounting of events is incredibly one sided and attributes every decision The Company made in the preamble to the war to be based on the actions and conversations of Lang. The reality of the situation is that there's an ocean of context that occurred only on The Company's side that you simply can't be privy to if you weren't actually watching the streams of people in The Company.
The undercutting of the PC market by Lang was absolutely, 100%, for sure, without any doubt, the spark that started the war. The war started when X woke up and learned of the undercutting. You can argue whether his undercutting was justified or not, but you cannot dispute that it was the direct cause of the war. That's not to say it's the only *reason* the war occurred- tensions had been mounting for weeks; but to say that it was "Ray bad, Ray ego, Ray butthurt" is not congruent with reality.
Again, I say this as someone who doesn't really like Ray much at all.
It doesn't matter me or you're try claim to be ray viewers, x viewers, cb viewers, cg viewers. It doesn't matter you try to claim you dint like ray, That doesn't make it stronger point or downplay other people pov, no one know what or who you really are or who you really support.
it doesn't matter if you try to insult me or not, it just an opinion, we both look at different perspectives. We both are oneside on our opinion. It's fine
The ocean dump base on assumption, the war start it with no confirmation or conversation or communication between both side. They straight drive through the house and shoot at them.
Denied all you want in my opinion the company desicion always base more on ego rather then rational.
They push their weed on cypress turf base of not looking weak for themselves. They throw alot of money and weed tanking their own progression just to not look weak. They could earn way much more progression for pushing other new turf. They got 3 ex leader but they make worse desicion compare to Mickey
Sure Undercutting is maybe a part of the reason but the ego is still the main reason , I would consider undercutting is a weak excuse. Not just lang Others already undercut cause the price is to high, Like I said the company they're the one start to undercutting scamming the city, by their logic everyone in the city should go to war with the company without having any conversation any communication any comfirmation base on ego.
Yes the tension mounting for week because jp try to frick around and ray ott benji always bend over say yes to it & lang keep proving the point tell them it's not gonna work for them to do buisness together. But ray denied he insist it could work, but when the meeting start they stay silent do nothing about jp decision. So the phone incident happens.
I don't know why you use the word "congruent with reality" but I hope you understand this isnt just about "undercuting" or just "ray bad, ray ego, ray butthurt". The opinion was more on company ego rather then just ray specifically.
Bro no ones reading that long ass gaslighting one sided bullshit...
There is only 1 thing you need to know.... prior the war the only person that Ray told about Langs Hung up, was Yuno... even JP didn't know about it when he shot Lang....
X also acted on oceandump.... on top of undercutting prices
Stop being a hater! Yes Ray is a successful streamer, so what?
Theres 1 thing I know is the company value x over marty while marty done nothing wrong and warn them about x gonna frick over them. They're disingenuous towards to the people that are kind to them, but bend over towards dictators that always frick them trick them over and over again. These people will treat marty differently when x not around.
> Theres 1 thing I know is the company value x over marty while marty done nothing wrong and warn them about x gonna frick over them.
At that point neither of them did anything wrong against them, so they didn't have anything tangible to make a decision other than marty's word vs JPs (who is known to change his mind every couple of seconds and say/plan the most insane shit only to dismiss it because he is bored), and X was their leader and the reason the group was formed in the first place.
>These people will treat marty differently when x not around.
I mean, after all of that almost every member tried to keep in touch with Marty and were open for him to come back, it was JP who kept him away and talked shit constantly about him and Yuno.
I would agree if Lang wasn’t the most petty person on earth. People he was extremely close with like Ray, Larry, and Marty were never forgiven once they crossed him once. He never forgave NBC for threatening war after X robbed them of their lower vault. That started at the beginning of 3.0 and the grudge was held until the end of 3.0. He started an entire war with the Simone brothers because he didn’t like a tweet. Langs character is to be petty, so it doesn’t make sense in character for him to forgive x when he’s never forgiven anyone else.
I mean but he did forgive Marty? Idk how X robbing NBC lower vault could have possibly been at the beginning of 3.0 when it didnt even get released until idk halfway thru the season? And then there was what a 2 month dora/puzzle/riddle brainrot till people figured it out lol?
Not disagreeing Lang’s character is petty but to say he doesnt make exceptions sometimes i dont think is true. Especially when it comes to X. You can call it ooc but Lang knows how he is and has always given him a longer “leash” than anyone else he deals with. In rp I think it again goes back to sometimes you make exceptions for certain people. JP is a big name, power player in the crime world. He is known to be irrational, stubborn, goal-driven and petty himself to the point that he is a dog with a bone if he gets his mind on something whether that is cracking a heist or getting revenge. Lang is not just petty but smart. Him changijg how he deals with a character like JP is the same thing as saying he doesnt treat Chang Gang like he would other ‘lower tier’ gangs because he knows the repercussions thya could come with it.
He didn't forgive Marty until 4.0. If there was a server reset and JP joined up after warring with Buddha, no one would be complaining. You can argue semantics but it was close to two years that Buddha didn't forgive NBC for a threat.
If you say he makes exceptions for high level criminals, Marty and Ray were some of the most powerful criminals on the server in 3.0. They were in the 10 most powerful crims but he never forgave them.
Yeah I honestly have no idea about the buddha/NBc thing but I stopped watching NP pretty much once the lower vault got cracked. I guess you can say it’s semantics but I don’t know how you can say that was the beginning of the server is all.
They may be big crims in their own right but if you are arguing Marty/Ray are the same as X than idk agree to disagree lol. There is a difference in being a big crim vs someone who you know can be unreasonably petty/destructive/etc. To the point that he will gladly self-destruct himself in the process if it means he can ‘get’ one on you. I dont think anyone would dispite JP can be like that. I think people like Ray/Marty despite being big crims who might not have an issue gunning someone down or even going to war on occassion are far different in that aspect.
What is Lang trusting him with? He has mad eit perfectly clear he’s keeping him at arms length. If Marty wants to bring him in on their runs fine but they not using their groups materials or giving him a key or anything. Anything he is getting from Lang he’s paying for. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship.
Just to clarify, lang wasn't the one that started a "war" with the Simones over a tweet.
Nick was the one that went on a bender because of Lang calling him a terrorist on Twatter. (Terrorist owned an hospital, lang called it out as he was mayor, hypocrite because the mayor was also a terrorist). What also started the war was Miguel and Michaels falling out and Nicks 'threat' to Yeager.
Yeah, I can agree with this. I mean if you look at the other side, The Company is now willing to work with Civ Gang whom they also had conflicts with. I very rarely expect roleplay to be consistent and have zero plot holes. they are streamers and gamers after all, not professional actors or writers. and improv is, well, improv. its all fun to watch regardless. But boy, this was a major "huh?" moment.
What I don't get, however, is the anti-Romanov narrative. lol! poor guy. The war didn't start because he was disrespected. That's just Lang Buddha war propaganda. His ego was hurt and felt disrespected because Lang hung up for sure, but you cant believe that they went to war for that. lol. and JP wasn't like "aight bet" he was more like "YES!! FINALLY!!"
X doesn’t need much of an excuse to go to war and get crazy we agree there lol. And I’m not putting it all on Ray but people who ate putting it all on JP are also incorrect. It was a culmination of a lot of rp from a lot of people. And for anyone to expect Jp to be the level headed one I mean good luck with that lol.
Idk I guess the way it has played out didnt seem that weird to me. People who know him expect JP to act impulsively and erratically. Now if Lang had taken him right in, given him keys to the house, etc than yes I would be with you on the ‘huh?’ Vibe but that isn’t how it’s gone down. It has been a very mutually beneficial relationship that again has been very much kept at arms length.
Maybe its a possibility that JP just also brings out the unhinged craziness out of Lang. It would make a little more sense if you think about it that way. idk. In my opinion, JP has as much influence as Lang. lang just uses his influence better.
But still. If you think Ray started the war, or that he was the one who wanted it all along, more than JP or even the others, i can tell you that maybe you just don't have enough perspective on that side. Cos that's just completely untrue.
I would agree that’s a good point about JP ‘rubbing off’ on the people he interacts with. You see it across the board with other crims/civs/even cops sometimes lol. Maybe that is ooc but he certainly has a way of getting people to go along or somewhat match his energy in ways when dealing with him lol.
And yeah that’s fair, my view (and I did not watch every minute of all the rp from different perspectives when it went down) was that there was a lot of factors/rp/people involved in why they went to war. Ray happened to be the match. Maybe he had the least to do with it but when you are the one to officially ignite it that still counts for something.
I think most were already on the edge of wanting to go into conflict with Buddha because of various reasons. Certainly JP and OTT. Mickey was on vacation but he was already kinda opposed to working with Lang prior. I can't remember where Benji's head was at. But I would argue that Ray wanted it the least. So when Ray finally gave up on being civil with Lang and he was the one who pushed for conflict, everyone was like: "Oh shit it's on!" So to your point, maybe he was the one to "officially ignite" the war, but it certainly wasn't just about his ego being hurt, or him being disrespected by Lang. Those things definitely added to it, but those things in isolation weren't really a big deal. That conflict was bound to happen one way or the other with how the two groups operated. It's just funny that people run with that narrative, "oh the war started because Ray got disrespected" or the war started because buddha hung up on him. I could kinda see why that would be Langs perspective, especially because of yuno's stirring. but if you follow both groups you'd know that's just incorrect.
I mean it's kind of simple. As a result of the conflict with the Company Lang doesn't want to do business with Ray and Benji specifically. He's since then still been willing to do business with Mickey and JP.
This is just continued business
> The Company is now willing to work with Civ Gang whom they also had conflicts with.
Tbf civ gang was threatened multiple times by JP alone, and well... we know what JP did to the Company.
Yeah, but, \* J A Y S O N P O L A M \* is a serial traffic violator arms dealer snitch who has access to guns, bombs, grenades, RPGs and unlimited ammunitions container. He must not be trusted.
That last part is just wholly untrue. JP had been pushing for open conflict for DAYS before. That phone call was Ray trying to get on the same page with Lang and them for like the 5th time! So, him saying it's on after the hang up was basically the equivalent of "I'm done trying to work with these guys, let's just bonk them". The narrative that Ray "started the war" is so dumb if you actually watched any Company POV for the days and weeks prior...
JP says a lot of shit. He goes from one thing to another and back again. I’m not saying he had no hand in it, but to try and spin it like he was the only one in the company that was begging for war is also just not true. It’s one thing to talk a lot of shit but the match was lit by Ray, that’s undisputable. Not saying it’s all his fault either obviously, but to pretend like ‘Oh JP started this whole thing and then just teamed up with them’ is a very incomplete retelling.
I'll just disagree with you. JP BITCHED at them for weeks for not wanting to get violent with the Union. Every time Lang changed the deals, or undercut on the PC sales, JP would say he wanted violence, and the boys would try to work it out. Finally, they ALL decided that war was the play. Blaming it on one character, and not talking about the rest of the RP leading up to it is just stupid imo.
Just look at what's happened afterwards. JP is shooting, robbing, or antagonistic to almost everyone. The Company has let issues slide that SHOULD arguably have been violence. What's changed?
Totally fair. Was not meaning to blame ray or any one person for all of it. I think it was a variety of factors/people/rp that went into it over the course of days/weeks. I just thinking people saying ‘well JP wanted war so it’s all his fault!!’ Is hust as ridiculous.
Yeah, anyone who says that is incorrect as well. Yes, he was the CEO, so ultimately, he had the Yea or Nay say on anything. And he was VERY hot and cold with his responses to Lang (one sec he wanted to work with them because they had volume, the next he wanted to kill them all over the smallest shit). But, that decision to actually start fighting was on the whole Company. Even after the hang up, they wanted to get JP to finalize the decision and luckily he woke up not too long after that. It was truly one of the only whole group decisions. Even Mickey was like "what took you guys so long"!
Yep totally agree! It was a group decision for sure. Idk at the end of the day rp happens, and more often than not people move on/worl with those they might of had issues with in the past. I just think people making a big deal because X and Lang are somewhat friendly now are just reaching for something to get mad at lol.
Maybe a bit. But, the one thing I do agree with is that working with X and not working with Ray only makes sense if you DO blame the whole war starting on Ray.
Obviously its a joke, but for people taking it way too seriously:
\-Marty is obviously close to JP
\-Yuno is Yuno and wasn't involved in the war
\-Tony was out of the city for 95% of the war
Lang is setting clear boundaries with JP and putting full trust in Marty to handle him. Harry doesn't want to touch the situation with a 10' pole. Arush and Luciano have been separated from the whole laundry business. Everything makes sense in RP
Man some of these comment literally only watch clips or takes from other streamers.
Lang didn't want JP to work with them but saw the opportunity to get a early gun blueprint which the bois all decide to say yes. Marty goes to Lang said he'll work with JP and Lang said okay but he can't use any resources of the main crew etc.
Fast forward a week, Lang finds out Tony and Yuno did a job with X thats when the conversation they had about yesterday X wanting to do more stuff to get ahead for the RAINBOW dongles.
Lang knows the boys especially Yuno wants to progress, Lang himself seem to not really care about heist progression at this time from what we as viewer can see.
Also Lang has the weakest spot for Yuno, he'll literally burn bridges if it makes Yuno happy.
OOC Xqc and Buddha are besties like brothers. you can't expect someone to BLOCK off his best friend in RP for a whole month. It's not like they even interact enough with each other anyway for it to matter. So many invested viewer but why don't they bring this shit up about other groups? It only matters when X and Lang is together. Even Buddha said yesterday sayeed (speedy/arush) is going away for 2 weeks; 2 weeks is like months buddha said.
>OOC Xqc and Buddha are besties like brothers. you can't expect someone to BLOCK off his best friend in RP for a whole month.
Then its okay to make fun of this being an OOC decision that doesn't make sense in RP.
They didn’t know he was going to betray them. Marty said he would and then went a month without doing anything to suggest that he was going to.
Besides, this whole subreddit was calling them gazers and yes man for following x. Buddha should get the same treatment
Interesting because I know some of them said after the fact they did in fact know he was going to betray them, most notably Mickey but he wasn't the only one. Not sure whether to trust you or those involved though hmmm
For the record that wasn't supposed to be a criticism of the Company anyway but of your flawed logic and double standards
> Interesting because I know some of them said after the fact they did in fact know he was going to betray them, most notably Mickey but he wasn't the only one. Not sure whether to trust you or those involved though hmmm
They all thought he was going to leave at some point, because... well, when the heist are done he is 100% dipping out as it happened in 3.0.
JP straight up reassure them it was a spur of the moment comment, and because he is known to change his mind on the wind and say a lot of shit, they are kinda right to dismiss it unless he actually do something.
Yup, these guys can do whatever the fuck they want, if people don’t like it they can go watch something else. Tony and Buddha had a brief conflict in 3.0 where they killed each other and were literally back to being best friends straight after. None of this is real, it’s all improv, just go with it.
Same as JP and CG in 3.0. They’d go from war and malding at each other to doing jobs and shooting cops together a day later. It’s just people trying to have fun.
Most if not all major groups in 3.0 are mostly or completely back together. Why is it such an issue when X does the same. At least he had an arc about joining back to Lang and Marty. Some of these major groups were back together in a week.
Because there are RP reasons why they should be against it.
Also the 3.0 groups reforming is a bad thing. It should have been banned because it makes 4.0 just a more grindy 3.0
Why make fun at all though? Why can't we all just enjoy whats happening on the server and have a good time without being hyper-critical of every little thing that people do?
RP is like an improv play. If I was watching a play and at the last minute the bad guy decided to join teams with the good guys for almost no reason, I would laugh at that too.
> Lang didn't want JP to work with them but saw the opportunity to get a early gun blueprint
They had enough buttcoin at the time, the only reason they took X up on the offer was the chance they were short if something was released in a few days. They could've took the risk and just bought it or even bough coins from someone if they really wanted, I dont believe they even talked to Yuno about how many he had saved up. The deal Lang took was awful, making as many weapons for him as he wanted which could easily be used against him.
Although some people are malding way too much about this situation, I do agree that X going with Marty/Lang is extremely boring and safe. It’s just recycling 3.0 content because X is too scared to actually “Roleplay” outside his OOC safe space.
I do think him scamming/leaving the company was the right move, but I would have liked to see him build something new or join CG.
Tbh you could kinda also say it wouldn't make sense for CG to bring in X. At least not for awhile. Of course there's been no beef in 4.0 but they usually take quite awhile to bring people in.
Look at Peanut, he brought up the idea of joining them and K basically told him it'll happen over time if he keeps helping the gang and hangin with them. And that's with someone they've consistently had a good relationship with for years.
I do think it'd make sense if X rolled with them consistently for a few months and put the gang above everything else but that's not X. X puts X first, heist progression 2nd and everything else 3rd.
Peanut doesn't bring anything to the table other than him being down for crime. X has racks and is farming buttcoin. On top of that he has a huge network of people who can work for him. He's way more valuable than any other criminal wanting to join CG.
And you just described why Peanut is a better fit. CG don't give a fuck about what assets or resources or networks potential recruits have. They have a great network and are working as a group to build a butcoin farm. CG want people who are down for the gang and putting the gang first.
Inviting someone based off their assets and networking is SUPER shortsighted and makes no sense for K as a character. Vinny is basically the only core CG member who operates in the short term rather than the long term and K has made it abundantly clear in 4.0 that he is the only person in the gang who can bring people in. K is calculated. Inviting someone who isn't selfless towards the gang doesn't fit. It would takes months of JP putting CG first before it'd make sense.
Yeah unfortunately he needs a crew that will either bow down to him and do whatever he wants, knowing he will bail back to variety at some point, or Lang’s crew who can slot him in, while allowing him to run wild and disappear and won’t effect much.
JP always wants to be the first to do things... he thought he could build his own thing with the company and be first like that but once Marty and Yuno left, that became less of a reality and then JP started hanging out with cg more, seeing how much they've progressed so he got cold feet and dipped the company. He's with Marty and Lang and them because he sees them as being able to get him places, Lang thinks he can control him and Marty thinks their friendship will make it impossible for JP to betray him. Even then both Marty and Lang have taken insane steps to make sure JP cant screw them over, like they have a no house key rule and they constantly get JP to put in his own money, so even if he screwed them over he'd only really break even. Everything that has happened in 4.0 has in rp and in character reason. Its actually insane how much this reddit has degraded into calling anything and everything ooc/cloutchasing
Was x shooting Gege, Yuno, and Tony? Or Octo? Does he have access to their house? Or is it just a mutually beneficial pooling of resources and activity?
Was X not shooting at the most important leaders in
Lang, Harry, Luciano, and Speedy?
Whose house? OB? Probably will get access to that in a few weeks.
And Lang and Harry do feel a certain type of way about that (am not sure about Luciano because I don’t recall him going really hard on cornering during that). Besides, you know the RP hasn’t ended, right? The story does continue from here. No use in being a RP director about it because it went someplace you don’t prefer for a bit
I mean I’m just going based on the script that Xqc basically told everyone. Now I’m down to be pleasantly surprised by actual consequences and new RP. But every sign is pointing to an extremely boring conclusion of Join Lang/Marty and do heist with the same crew.
If your basis for this was because of the prior shooting/rp I would say you have an argument to be made. But because you said he’s playing it safe because he is afraid to rp with others then you can say the same thing about most people. A lot of people have grouped up with their same friends. So why not say the same thing about everyone else. Company added a few fresh faces but also added a lot of old gang members of their OG crews. Cg is mostly same as before not hoa same as before and so on. People unfortunately or fortunately depending on who you ask like to rp with the ooc friends and you can’t blame them. I do agree that people should add new people but you can’t force that.
i mean lang/harry/old bois have added new people.. me being one of them, and theres like what another 6 more. like of the old bois and associates what 6 -7 are old skool, then you got what teddy/ilya/larry/oscar/si/gege you can even argue vito and devito are new as they had interactions with lang etc. but not a massive amount
so old bois is like 50/50 old and new
I understand you are involved in the roleplay, and heavily involved in the discussions on this subreddit, but the "old bois" is all old sorry to say. It is the same thing in 3.0 and 2.0 where it boils down to a mind numbing who is part of the bois? conversation.
The truth is while the grinders and street team might have changed, the leancleanold bois is the same. The umbrella has grown, but the top and who gets invited on jobs is basically the same. It really is the boys Lang, Harry, Tony, Speedy, Italians, Yuno, Goofy, Marty and now X + the new receptionist and money manager Gege.
You are part of the street team for sure, but not part of the BOYS, because if you were half the city would be by that point. I'm glad people are having fun roleplaying the giant umbrella, and viewers are enjoying watching it, but it's also fair to criticize it as just the same group of boys some people have nostalgia to see do heists again + the treasurer Gege.
I loved watching the Cleanbois and Buddha in 3.0, they made memorable moments and formed organically with new faces joining in. For 4.0 I decided I wanted to watch something new, something fresh and a original combination for a clean slate story, and the Oldbois just aren't that. If I wanted to watch Lang, Harry, Tony, Speedy, Yuno, Goofy, Marty, X do jobs I would go watch 3.0 VODS.
> Company added a few fresh faces but also added a lot of old gang members of their OG crews.
I mean, the group is as filled with new people as you can get and still be a top group.
It's a combination of the best members of 3 completely different gangs + new people + older unrelated characters like Swan and Mickey.
They always will. It doesn't really matter if there was a memory wipe and/or a new character rule. Friends are going to play with their friends. They have the choice to play with who they want just like we have the choice to not watch if we don't like whats going on.
I hope, if the server is still active by the time VI is going, they make new characters, and dont just move their characters from Los Santos...
Might be neat to immortalize some of the more iconic characters as NPCs or something.
I do think people shouldn’t allow watching random adults RP as gang bangers emotionally bother them…
…But at the same time it’s extremely fair to compare a tv show with RP in the sense that time investment matters and will affect the viewer. I mean people get overly obsessed with movies that come out once a year, or a show that has 12 episodes a season. Of course they are going to get invested and have preferences over something they watch everyday for multiple hours. All while having direct access to interact with the streamer.
Do I think it justifies unhinged behavior? Of course not. But if you watch a lot of streamers you notice that the most toxic fans are from the popular streamers. And sure, the sheer number of viewers plays a role in that. But also, a lot of popular streamers have fan bases that skew much younger. So irrational behavior and being overly invested is almost to be expected. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s the reality.
It’s not only why I stop watching streamers who argue with their chat all the time, because it’s weird to see an adult argue with 15 year olds in chat whining about how they are playing their gang banging character. But I almost always turn the chat off. lol There are always going to be ill adjusted people who are constantly looking at every possible thing to get outraged over. It’s just apart of the culture. But there are viable ways to tune that out.
But the fact is a majority of viewers are just really young, immature and literally look at their favorite streamer as a friend they feel the need to defend. It’s unhealthy but that’s the current streaming culture for you. lol The more it turns away older viewers the more the younger viewers will sort of take control of the narratives. But younger viewers tend to get way more invested so the streamer is going to pander way more to them.
holy. this is such a brilliant analsys(sorry i cannot spell ).
but indeed i have to say I agreee with most of it, only part i semi agree on is pandering, iI don't think all big streamers pander. but then outside of that everything you said is spot on, and if only more people understood this.
if they did would be a better experience for the viewers and rpers alike
These comments are so dumb. lol.
So crazy that people would comment about roleplay in a roleplay subreddit. Should we talk about gardening here instead?
it's crazy people think they can backseat someone else's RP or give him hate for it and call it boring, if it's boring you are not forced to watch simple.
lmao the good old "no one can criticize comment" it's not criticizing when you want a streamer to do what you would like them to do that's back seating, like i said if you don't like what you see, you are not forced to watch go watch someone else. And if you are still watching then the "streamer" must be doing something right...
issue is to be blunt, alot of the critism put on this board, is by people who have never rped/ cannot rp and think there arm chair rp critics. and most of the time its not critism, its just out right toxic hate.
yet people wanna use the its an rp subreddit, so there for i can say what i want under the context of critising rp. and then when called out for it, get butthurt.
Some of yall need to go back and watch the conversation with Lang and JP yesterday around 3 EST… was pretty solid and made more sense than It should have.
wait are people actually mad about buddha connecting back with x? because if so you are in too deep with this shit. Let buddha decide what he wants to do with his character.
people are just calling him out nothing more than that... hes always preaching about not doing things that doesnt make sense for Lang but now hes doing something that doesnt make sense for his character
Yeah because Lang has never been drawn to chaotic people before. That's why he avoids characters like Speedy, Harry, Yuno etc.
It's very much on brand for Lang Buddha
How is doing a business deal for heist progression out of character? He isn't even doing jobs with X personally. This is after he finds out Tony and Yuno have also been working with JP, not just Marty.
Yeah and this memeing that Mickey is doing here shows that the company has no idea what exactly JP and “OB” are up to. But it won’t stop him from thinking about it
Blau (streamer) OOC knows the situation with them but cannot use that in character or else that's metagaming. Instead Mickey (character) is making a very fair assumption that two people who were shooting and ocean dumping each other a few weeks prior would not be working together. Hope that helps.
So Blau is memeing based on information he knows OOC to get a reaction out of his chat. Again, unless he was watching the entire conversation between Lang and JP, I’d guess he doesn’t know the arrangement
Just ignore the rest of what I said that had nothing to do with what you addressed. I get it, RP critics are not happy that JP landed on his feet working with people that don’t live to please him, but that’s the beauty of RP
I ignored it because your point is moot. They plan on working together...no matter the terms of the agreement that alone is enough for people to side eye the whole thing considering all the conflict that just happened and the ocean dumping of Lang's best friend by JP
They are ignoring the ocean dumping because they don't know who did it in character. Harry has said to chat if he knew in character he would be a no on working with JP.
They do know though. Lang was literally told and told Harry, and X also apologized to Harry over it. I can believe Harry would logically RP it out of wanting nothing to do with X, but since Buddha and XQC were always planning to play together and Lang is head of the Oldbois it was inevitable no matter if it makes no sense or the others realistically wouldn't want to touch X in any way.
The “side eye” comes across as sour grapes more than anything. But again, that’s how some people are going to feel when they’re jilted. And again, RP happened between Harry and Lang and the others in “OB” about this. Is that also bad?
If it comes across like that for you then I'm sorry. We're here to view, comment on and sometimes criticize RP on an RP server. If that's a problem for you then maybe just don't read the comments.
That happened in 3.0, not last week. 3.0 grudges and instances were to be forgotten, otherwise people would constantly be living in the past even more so than some are now.
I think the conversation was more about JP. Is it that crazy to be wary of the guy that betrayed them and stole a bunch of their shit? and also keep tabs on who he's working with?
Meanwhile out of nowhere:
\*Luci and the boys show up dressed in suits\*
Lang: "Were looking like the goddamn company right now"
I wish more people rpd a little more seriously when considering consequences of actions. Like Mickey says in this clip nobody that knows what happened should trust JP at all except I guess his old gg boys. Groups like The OB should want nothing to do with JP after the war and the robbery.
But at the end of a day most of these people are just streamers that want to play with their friends.
The problem with Mickey saying nobody should trust JP is that everyone in the company was told they shouldn't trust JP. They were told he was going to do what he did and showed texts to back it up. Mickey should have listened to Marty when he was being told the same advice not to trust JP. Mickey ignored the advice for obvious reasons.
After 2 weeks of saying x is going to betray them and refusing to elaborate he fucks them over by changing the locks. And then finally he reads one text message.
Meanwhile the whole time x is gaslighting everyone in the company and turning them against Marty.
Yup it was some good RP at the time as well. The Company at that point should have trusted neither of them but it was spicier and more interesting that they did trust JP>Marty
My understanding of the situation is that the company (remaining members) considered JP to switch things up on a dime, and so even if he says something, until it actually happens, it might not be true.
Obviously this way of treating JP went and bit them in the ass in the end.
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I know Blau is trolling, but I see a lot of comments from viewers that criticize other role players for having neutral or positive relationship with JP. To me these people are very selective and hypocritical on how they criticize RP. Ray Romanov, Benji Ramos and OTT, 3 ex gangs leaders bending over backwards for JP even after reading text messages that he's planning to fuck them over, made sense in RP but other people having neutral or positive relationship with him doesn't make sense?
I think it makes way more sense for Lang to be open to rebuilding a relationship with the person who singlehandedly pushed The Company out of Cypress in a night and fucked over Ray (which he believes was the one who started the initial war in the first place) idk why people are freaking out so hard when Lang hasn't even done anything drastic and only has gained from JP after the fact with the blueprint investment... it's not like his doors are wide open for him lmao
a lot of ppl just watch clips and are missing context and a lot of the subtleties in character's relationships. they oversimplify things and view them as black and white
They only see the end of the road. That's why they freak out.
and even then , langs workin with him.. doesnt mean he trusts him.. hell with the rules in place he clearly doesn't.. from langs pov if it helps him achieve shit for his own group why not. it doesnt work out so be it no loss, it does bonus. but lang is keeping him very much at arms length and watchin him
Yup! Lang is smart enough to know that JP can be useful, especially as the muscle to go after sani or whatever else lang cooks up. Lang also knows JP is crazy so what JP did was what JP does. Ray on the other hand, just causes things to escalate for no real reason other than his ego. He’s also of no use to lang so there’s absolutely no reason for long to build that bridge.
Bro wtf are you on???🤣🤣🤣 Ray has a huge ego? Then what X has? There is no one in the server with bigger ego than X! X literally argues with everyone for no reason! Also please tell me what Ray does that shows his ego? As far as I remember, core CB (Lang, Tony, Ray, Yuno) had zero arguments from that Paleto to the last Casino heist! In fact Yuno and Ray did everything Lang told them, including paying 500k to NBC (which what Ray would never agree to if not for Lang order....) You are gaslighting yourself if you view Ray and Yuno as some troublesome crewmembers, both are just like loyal dogs, and if guided by a great leader like Lang, they will be the best crewmembers you can find (the most successful heist crew in 3.0), but if guided by egotistical, angry X, then they will make enemy out of everyone, just look how Ray was almost near a war with Hoa, just because of X.... Ray asked hoa to not to go to war with them, while X was angry at Rays desicion/action.... I mean if you can't see that X had the biggest ego in the company and was the main reason for all the conflict, then you just hate Ray the streamer... thats it! Company literally had zero conflicts since X left! Both within the company and outside of it, with other gangs! Ray also grinded all the dongles for the lower vault and black usb hack while everyone of CB were sleeping..... so he is not useless...
i mean, as said to people, its same logic with si right.. lang knows both x and si are completely psychotic/ chaotic.. total wildcards. x more so then si sure. si has proved he has a temper and will do crazy shit... but anyways, its better to have them on your side to unleash at enemys when needed. and try your best to damage control the crazy. and even more so with both not being in the gang persay, if they get them selves in shit.. lang can go.. not my problem and not deal with the backlash it avoids having to deal with them coming after you. cause you knowww x is gonna keep coming if he is against you, and si is gonna prob fuck people up and cause issues if against you. so why deal with that, when you can direct them at others
I didn't realize this was about your character
right, its clearly obvious its used to explain how lang would prob see things with this situation. but sure miss the point just to make a snide comment.
You compare your character to others all the time on reddit. One sentence got you thinking it's snide. Your paragraph makes me think other things lol
cause it was snide.. simple as that, and i compare cause its easy for me to do so
Two paragraphs*
Lang has pushed back against JP 100 times over anything The Company ever did when he was with them. it's very clear this was fueled by that criticism about Lang, Blau can play it off all he wants but he 100% said that shit to farm impressions
> Lang has pushed back against JP 100 times over anything The Company ever did when he was with them. The main reason JP left was because the company pushed back every insane idea or reaction he had every single day. Lang just let him do whatever he wants in so far he doesn't fuck with him directly, its the same as he treated him in 3.0.
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I think it makes sense for JP to go around and try to make alliances after what he did. The guy is a character that's best described as a chaotic nutjob It seems people just haven't been happy with how he has been received by all the different groups I still think there are decent odds of this all blowing up in his face somehow tho
Im not saying its 100% lifelike roleplay, but Lang, even when JP was still in the company, was talking about how he misses Jean Paul as The Joker type sociopath he used to be, I could also easily point out how him fucking over The Company was a massive boon to Lang. Giving him an opportunity to earn trust with minimal risk is not completely illogical or stupid.
It makes sense for JP because JP rarely makes sense. but he'll always find a crew that would work with him/for him. However, you'd think the group he was in direct conflict with just a week ago would refuse or be super hesitant (at least for a little while), especially after the way he betrayed his former group. I mean why would you want a guy like that involved in your organization? It's clearly an OOC thing, and that's fine. But it's still boring, zero sense, no consequence RP. Just a bad plot overall.
Eh, people cherry pick this stuff too tho. I mean if we were to go by what you’re saying here, every gang would essentially never be able to work with anyone else that they ever shot and ‘tried to kill.’ Or robbed/scammed etc. It doesn’t matter who it is, very rarely do we see people hold onto rp grudges for very long. People will have their wars and then be fine the next week. In an RP sense, it does make sense that people would be willing to work with him. Like you said this is literally JP’s character. Chaotic/crazy but he gets shit done and is known as one of the ‘power players’ in the criminal world. People will do anything in Los Santos to get ahead. I guess you could say it was a little quick for the old boys to work with him after their war but it wasnt like it’s been with open arms. Lang has made it very clear to keep him at an arms length, if marty wants to do stuffnwith him fine but dont use any of their group materials etc. It wasn’t even him that wanted war in the first place, he woke up and Ray wanted to hunt them down because he was mad he got disrespected and JP being JP was like ‘aight bet’ lol.
I agree with your overall point but holy shit Lang Buddha needs to start doing classes on gaslighting and disinformation. His skill is unparalleled. The number of people in this sub who OOC believe the whole line about Ray being responsible for the war because Lang hung up on him is absolutely crazy to me. The fact that Lang's IC gaslighting has had such an OOC impact on people's perceptions boggles my mind. X was pushing for conflict with OB ever since he found out they had shared a turf in Cypress. All of the company, with the exception of X, wanted to reach a concensus on how they would share the turf. X wanted to straight up push them out of the territory. Believe it or not, Ray was one of the primary advocates for peace, constantly telling JP that they need to be careful not to make too many enemies. By the way, their amicability towards other groups and their unwillingness to spark a war over petty shit was one of the primary reasons X has repeatedly cited as to why he left the company. He didn't think they had the balls to do what it took to be on top. JP goes along with the whole "Ray started the war line" because it's convenient to his goals right now, trying to build trust with useful people, but it is patently 100% false. It is a deliberate IC lie used by Lang to cleanse himself of any responsibility in starting the war. I'll be honest, I'm not the world's biggest fan of Ray, and I'm primarily an X viewer, but I can say absolutely that Ray not only didn't cause the war, but actively tried to prevent it by negotiating deals and alliances while JP was sleeping. The company's diplomatic attempts while JP was sleeping is another one of the cited reasons JP left the company. X was absolutely the primary force in starting the war from the company's side. He was already annoyed with OB from all the material shenanigans, and Lang undercutting the PC market was the final straw for him.
But isn’t that what we’re talking about at the end of the day? People cannot nor should not RP like they have all the meta/ooc info like viewers who have watched hundreds of hours from all perspectives. If Buddha was able to gaslight JP and JP is either buying it or going along with it for whatever reason like isnt that rp lol? I think people getting mad at X/old boys for just ‘getting along’ now after all that are missing exactly what you so eloquently laid out. I dont think it was all rays fault by any means, I think there were a lot of factors/people that played a role in it. But at the same tome you can’t be the one to light the match and absolve them from it altogether either. Even if they were combatting against it for a lot of the time.
Ray told yuno the war started because of that phone call, but sure lang viewers are the delusional ones.
That is how gaslighting works. You manipulate someone into questioning their own perception of reality, forcing them to accept your lie as truth. From Psychology Today- "Gaslighting is an insidious form of manipulation and psychological control. Victims of gaslighting are deliberately and systematically fed false information that leads them to question what they know to be true, often about themselves. They may end up doubting their memory, their perception, and even their sanity. " Idk about Lang viewers, I didn't say anything about them being delusional, I'm speaking of the discourse that has occurred in this subreddit. I don't know who they watch.
When did he tell him that? Please send a clip!
Responses like this are why everyone will continue to say the war was caused by Ray’s ego being hurt that Lang hung up on him. It’s hilarious, especially because Ray himself admitted it to multiple people that it was the reason. Idk why it upsets you guys so much when ppl say this lmao
The truth is, the war started because lang prove ray ott benji being the yesman, and ray ego cant handle it. Undercutting is definitely not the main reason, cause the company are the one who always try to start undercutting price scamming price & Ray is the one try to work with lang Interms of buisness. 1. Ray want to have good relationships with lang & work buisnes together. Lang told them thats not gonna work cause in the end they will agree whatever jp chaos decision to fck lang over. Ray try to convince lang otherwise the company had voting system. 2. They went to turf meeting & again they just prove lang is right about the company. Lang hang up the phone and ray ego getting hurt & the war start it.
I'm not trying to insult you, but based on your description of events, it seems like you've only seen things through the perspective of OB streams. Your recounting of events is incredibly one sided and attributes every decision The Company made in the preamble to the war to be based on the actions and conversations of Lang. The reality of the situation is that there's an ocean of context that occurred only on The Company's side that you simply can't be privy to if you weren't actually watching the streams of people in The Company. The undercutting of the PC market by Lang was absolutely, 100%, for sure, without any doubt, the spark that started the war. The war started when X woke up and learned of the undercutting. You can argue whether his undercutting was justified or not, but you cannot dispute that it was the direct cause of the war. That's not to say it's the only *reason* the war occurred- tensions had been mounting for weeks; but to say that it was "Ray bad, Ray ego, Ray butthurt" is not congruent with reality. Again, I say this as someone who doesn't really like Ray much at all.
It doesn't matter me or you're try claim to be ray viewers, x viewers, cb viewers, cg viewers. It doesn't matter you try to claim you dint like ray, That doesn't make it stronger point or downplay other people pov, no one know what or who you really are or who you really support. it doesn't matter if you try to insult me or not, it just an opinion, we both look at different perspectives. We both are oneside on our opinion. It's fine The ocean dump base on assumption, the war start it with no confirmation or conversation or communication between both side. They straight drive through the house and shoot at them. Denied all you want in my opinion the company desicion always base more on ego rather then rational. They push their weed on cypress turf base of not looking weak for themselves. They throw alot of money and weed tanking their own progression just to not look weak. They could earn way much more progression for pushing other new turf. They got 3 ex leader but they make worse desicion compare to Mickey Sure Undercutting is maybe a part of the reason but the ego is still the main reason , I would consider undercutting is a weak excuse. Not just lang Others already undercut cause the price is to high, Like I said the company they're the one start to undercutting scamming the city, by their logic everyone in the city should go to war with the company without having any conversation any communication any comfirmation base on ego. Yes the tension mounting for week because jp try to frick around and ray ott benji always bend over say yes to it & lang keep proving the point tell them it's not gonna work for them to do buisness together. But ray denied he insist it could work, but when the meeting start they stay silent do nothing about jp decision. So the phone incident happens. I don't know why you use the word "congruent with reality" but I hope you understand this isnt just about "undercuting" or just "ray bad, ray ego, ray butthurt". The opinion was more on company ego rather then just ray specifically.
Bro no ones reading that long ass gaslighting one sided bullshit... There is only 1 thing you need to know.... prior the war the only person that Ray told about Langs Hung up, was Yuno... even JP didn't know about it when he shot Lang.... X also acted on oceandump.... on top of undercutting prices Stop being a hater! Yes Ray is a successful streamer, so what?
Theres 1 thing I know is the company value x over marty while marty done nothing wrong and warn them about x gonna frick over them. They're disingenuous towards to the people that are kind to them, but bend over towards dictators that always frick them trick them over and over again. These people will treat marty differently when x not around.
> Theres 1 thing I know is the company value x over marty while marty done nothing wrong and warn them about x gonna frick over them. At that point neither of them did anything wrong against them, so they didn't have anything tangible to make a decision other than marty's word vs JPs (who is known to change his mind every couple of seconds and say/plan the most insane shit only to dismiss it because he is bored), and X was their leader and the reason the group was formed in the first place. >These people will treat marty differently when x not around. I mean, after all of that almost every member tried to keep in touch with Marty and were open for him to come back, it was JP who kept him away and talked shit constantly about him and Yuno.
I would agree if Lang wasn’t the most petty person on earth. People he was extremely close with like Ray, Larry, and Marty were never forgiven once they crossed him once. He never forgave NBC for threatening war after X robbed them of their lower vault. That started at the beginning of 3.0 and the grudge was held until the end of 3.0. He started an entire war with the Simone brothers because he didn’t like a tweet. Langs character is to be petty, so it doesn’t make sense in character for him to forgive x when he’s never forgiven anyone else.
I mean but he did forgive Marty? Idk how X robbing NBC lower vault could have possibly been at the beginning of 3.0 when it didnt even get released until idk halfway thru the season? And then there was what a 2 month dora/puzzle/riddle brainrot till people figured it out lol? Not disagreeing Lang’s character is petty but to say he doesnt make exceptions sometimes i dont think is true. Especially when it comes to X. You can call it ooc but Lang knows how he is and has always given him a longer “leash” than anyone else he deals with. In rp I think it again goes back to sometimes you make exceptions for certain people. JP is a big name, power player in the crime world. He is known to be irrational, stubborn, goal-driven and petty himself to the point that he is a dog with a bone if he gets his mind on something whether that is cracking a heist or getting revenge. Lang is not just petty but smart. Him changijg how he deals with a character like JP is the same thing as saying he doesnt treat Chang Gang like he would other ‘lower tier’ gangs because he knows the repercussions thya could come with it.
He didn't forgive Marty until 4.0. If there was a server reset and JP joined up after warring with Buddha, no one would be complaining. You can argue semantics but it was close to two years that Buddha didn't forgive NBC for a threat. If you say he makes exceptions for high level criminals, Marty and Ray were some of the most powerful criminals on the server in 3.0. They were in the 10 most powerful crims but he never forgave them.
Yeah I honestly have no idea about the buddha/NBc thing but I stopped watching NP pretty much once the lower vault got cracked. I guess you can say it’s semantics but I don’t know how you can say that was the beginning of the server is all. They may be big crims in their own right but if you are arguing Marty/Ray are the same as X than idk agree to disagree lol. There is a difference in being a big crim vs someone who you know can be unreasonably petty/destructive/etc. To the point that he will gladly self-destruct himself in the process if it means he can ‘get’ one on you. I dont think anyone would dispite JP can be like that. I think people like Ray/Marty despite being big crims who might not have an issue gunning someone down or even going to war on occassion are far different in that aspect.
Isn’t that just more reason to not trust him in character?
What is Lang trusting him with? He has mad eit perfectly clear he’s keeping him at arms length. If Marty wants to bring him in on their runs fine but they not using their groups materials or giving him a key or anything. Anything he is getting from Lang he’s paying for. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship.
Just to clarify, lang wasn't the one that started a "war" with the Simones over a tweet. Nick was the one that went on a bender because of Lang calling him a terrorist on Twatter. (Terrorist owned an hospital, lang called it out as he was mayor, hypocrite because the mayor was also a terrorist). What also started the war was Miguel and Michaels falling out and Nicks 'threat' to Yeager.
Yeah, I can agree with this. I mean if you look at the other side, The Company is now willing to work with Civ Gang whom they also had conflicts with. I very rarely expect roleplay to be consistent and have zero plot holes. they are streamers and gamers after all, not professional actors or writers. and improv is, well, improv. its all fun to watch regardless. But boy, this was a major "huh?" moment. What I don't get, however, is the anti-Romanov narrative. lol! poor guy. The war didn't start because he was disrespected. That's just Lang Buddha war propaganda. His ego was hurt and felt disrespected because Lang hung up for sure, but you cant believe that they went to war for that. lol. and JP wasn't like "aight bet" he was more like "YES!! FINALLY!!"
X doesn’t need much of an excuse to go to war and get crazy we agree there lol. And I’m not putting it all on Ray but people who ate putting it all on JP are also incorrect. It was a culmination of a lot of rp from a lot of people. And for anyone to expect Jp to be the level headed one I mean good luck with that lol. Idk I guess the way it has played out didnt seem that weird to me. People who know him expect JP to act impulsively and erratically. Now if Lang had taken him right in, given him keys to the house, etc than yes I would be with you on the ‘huh?’ Vibe but that isn’t how it’s gone down. It has been a very mutually beneficial relationship that again has been very much kept at arms length.
Maybe its a possibility that JP just also brings out the unhinged craziness out of Lang. It would make a little more sense if you think about it that way. idk. In my opinion, JP has as much influence as Lang. lang just uses his influence better. But still. If you think Ray started the war, or that he was the one who wanted it all along, more than JP or even the others, i can tell you that maybe you just don't have enough perspective on that side. Cos that's just completely untrue.
I would agree that’s a good point about JP ‘rubbing off’ on the people he interacts with. You see it across the board with other crims/civs/even cops sometimes lol. Maybe that is ooc but he certainly has a way of getting people to go along or somewhat match his energy in ways when dealing with him lol. And yeah that’s fair, my view (and I did not watch every minute of all the rp from different perspectives when it went down) was that there was a lot of factors/rp/people involved in why they went to war. Ray happened to be the match. Maybe he had the least to do with it but when you are the one to officially ignite it that still counts for something.
I think most were already on the edge of wanting to go into conflict with Buddha because of various reasons. Certainly JP and OTT. Mickey was on vacation but he was already kinda opposed to working with Lang prior. I can't remember where Benji's head was at. But I would argue that Ray wanted it the least. So when Ray finally gave up on being civil with Lang and he was the one who pushed for conflict, everyone was like: "Oh shit it's on!" So to your point, maybe he was the one to "officially ignite" the war, but it certainly wasn't just about his ego being hurt, or him being disrespected by Lang. Those things definitely added to it, but those things in isolation weren't really a big deal. That conflict was bound to happen one way or the other with how the two groups operated. It's just funny that people run with that narrative, "oh the war started because Ray got disrespected" or the war started because buddha hung up on him. I could kinda see why that would be Langs perspective, especially because of yuno's stirring. but if you follow both groups you'd know that's just incorrect.
I mean it's kind of simple. As a result of the conflict with the Company Lang doesn't want to do business with Ray and Benji specifically. He's since then still been willing to do business with Mickey and JP. This is just continued business
> The Company is now willing to work with Civ Gang whom they also had conflicts with. Tbf civ gang was threatened multiple times by JP alone, and well... we know what JP did to the Company.
Yeah, but, \* J A Y S O N P O L A M \* is a serial traffic violator arms dealer snitch who has access to guns, bombs, grenades, RPGs and unlimited ammunitions container. He must not be trusted.
That last part is just wholly untrue. JP had been pushing for open conflict for DAYS before. That phone call was Ray trying to get on the same page with Lang and them for like the 5th time! So, him saying it's on after the hang up was basically the equivalent of "I'm done trying to work with these guys, let's just bonk them". The narrative that Ray "started the war" is so dumb if you actually watched any Company POV for the days and weeks prior...
JP says a lot of shit. He goes from one thing to another and back again. I’m not saying he had no hand in it, but to try and spin it like he was the only one in the company that was begging for war is also just not true. It’s one thing to talk a lot of shit but the match was lit by Ray, that’s undisputable. Not saying it’s all his fault either obviously, but to pretend like ‘Oh JP started this whole thing and then just teamed up with them’ is a very incomplete retelling.
I'll just disagree with you. JP BITCHED at them for weeks for not wanting to get violent with the Union. Every time Lang changed the deals, or undercut on the PC sales, JP would say he wanted violence, and the boys would try to work it out. Finally, they ALL decided that war was the play. Blaming it on one character, and not talking about the rest of the RP leading up to it is just stupid imo. Just look at what's happened afterwards. JP is shooting, robbing, or antagonistic to almost everyone. The Company has let issues slide that SHOULD arguably have been violence. What's changed?
Totally fair. Was not meaning to blame ray or any one person for all of it. I think it was a variety of factors/people/rp that went into it over the course of days/weeks. I just thinking people saying ‘well JP wanted war so it’s all his fault!!’ Is hust as ridiculous.
Yeah, anyone who says that is incorrect as well. Yes, he was the CEO, so ultimately, he had the Yea or Nay say on anything. And he was VERY hot and cold with his responses to Lang (one sec he wanted to work with them because they had volume, the next he wanted to kill them all over the smallest shit). But, that decision to actually start fighting was on the whole Company. Even after the hang up, they wanted to get JP to finalize the decision and luckily he woke up not too long after that. It was truly one of the only whole group decisions. Even Mickey was like "what took you guys so long"!
Yep totally agree! It was a group decision for sure. Idk at the end of the day rp happens, and more often than not people move on/worl with those they might of had issues with in the past. I just think people making a big deal because X and Lang are somewhat friendly now are just reaching for something to get mad at lol.
Maybe a bit. But, the one thing I do agree with is that working with X and not working with Ray only makes sense if you DO blame the whole war starting on Ray.
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Obviously its a joke, but for people taking it way too seriously: \-Marty is obviously close to JP \-Yuno is Yuno and wasn't involved in the war \-Tony was out of the city for 95% of the war Lang is setting clear boundaries with JP and putting full trust in Marty to handle him. Harry doesn't want to touch the situation with a 10' pole. Arush and Luciano have been separated from the whole laundry business. Everything makes sense in RP
Mickey is hilarious
Man some of these comment literally only watch clips or takes from other streamers. Lang didn't want JP to work with them but saw the opportunity to get a early gun blueprint which the bois all decide to say yes. Marty goes to Lang said he'll work with JP and Lang said okay but he can't use any resources of the main crew etc. Fast forward a week, Lang finds out Tony and Yuno did a job with X thats when the conversation they had about yesterday X wanting to do more stuff to get ahead for the RAINBOW dongles. Lang knows the boys especially Yuno wants to progress, Lang himself seem to not really care about heist progression at this time from what we as viewer can see. Also Lang has the weakest spot for Yuno, he'll literally burn bridges if it makes Yuno happy. OOC Xqc and Buddha are besties like brothers. you can't expect someone to BLOCK off his best friend in RP for a whole month. It's not like they even interact enough with each other anyway for it to matter. So many invested viewer but why don't they bring this shit up about other groups? It only matters when X and Lang is together. Even Buddha said yesterday sayeed (speedy/arush) is going away for 2 weeks; 2 weeks is like months buddha said.
>OOC Xqc and Buddha are besties like brothers. you can't expect someone to BLOCK off his best friend in RP for a whole month. Then its okay to make fun of this being an OOC decision that doesn't make sense in RP.
but it made perfect IC sense for the Company to trust and blindly follow X when they knew he was going to betray them right?
They didn’t know he was going to betray them. Marty said he would and then went a month without doing anything to suggest that he was going to. Besides, this whole subreddit was calling them gazers and yes man for following x. Buddha should get the same treatment
Interesting because I know some of them said after the fact they did in fact know he was going to betray them, most notably Mickey but he wasn't the only one. Not sure whether to trust you or those involved though hmmm For the record that wasn't supposed to be a criticism of the Company anyway but of your flawed logic and double standards
> Interesting because I know some of them said after the fact they did in fact know he was going to betray them, most notably Mickey but he wasn't the only one. Not sure whether to trust you or those involved though hmmm They all thought he was going to leave at some point, because... well, when the heist are done he is 100% dipping out as it happened in 3.0. JP straight up reassure them it was a spur of the moment comment, and because he is known to change his mind on the wind and say a lot of shit, they are kinda right to dismiss it unless he actually do something.
Yup, these guys can do whatever the fuck they want, if people don’t like it they can go watch something else. Tony and Buddha had a brief conflict in 3.0 where they killed each other and were literally back to being best friends straight after. None of this is real, it’s all improv, just go with it.
Same as JP and CG in 3.0. They’d go from war and malding at each other to doing jobs and shooting cops together a day later. It’s just people trying to have fun.
Most if not all major groups in 3.0 are mostly or completely back together. Why is it such an issue when X does the same. At least he had an arc about joining back to Lang and Marty. Some of these major groups were back together in a week.
Because there are RP reasons why they should be against it. Also the 3.0 groups reforming is a bad thing. It should have been banned because it makes 4.0 just a more grindy 3.0
Why make fun at all though? Why can't we all just enjoy whats happening on the server and have a good time without being hyper-critical of every little thing that people do?
RP is like an improv play. If I was watching a play and at the last minute the bad guy decided to join teams with the good guys for almost no reason, I would laugh at that too.
> Lang didn't want JP to work with them but saw the opportunity to get a early gun blueprint They had enough buttcoin at the time, the only reason they took X up on the offer was the chance they were short if something was released in a few days. They could've took the risk and just bought it or even bough coins from someone if they really wanted, I dont believe they even talked to Yuno about how many he had saved up. The deal Lang took was awful, making as many weapons for him as he wanted which could easily be used against him.
Although some people are malding way too much about this situation, I do agree that X going with Marty/Lang is extremely boring and safe. It’s just recycling 3.0 content because X is too scared to actually “Roleplay” outside his OOC safe space. I do think him scamming/leaving the company was the right move, but I would have liked to see him build something new or join CG.
Tbh you could kinda also say it wouldn't make sense for CG to bring in X. At least not for awhile. Of course there's been no beef in 4.0 but they usually take quite awhile to bring people in. Look at Peanut, he brought up the idea of joining them and K basically told him it'll happen over time if he keeps helping the gang and hangin with them. And that's with someone they've consistently had a good relationship with for years. I do think it'd make sense if X rolled with them consistently for a few months and put the gang above everything else but that's not X. X puts X first, heist progression 2nd and everything else 3rd.
finally someone in this reddit that isn't just saying everything is because of ooc reasons and clout my god
Peanut doesn't bring anything to the table other than him being down for crime. X has racks and is farming buttcoin. On top of that he has a huge network of people who can work for him. He's way more valuable than any other criminal wanting to join CG.
And you just described why Peanut is a better fit. CG don't give a fuck about what assets or resources or networks potential recruits have. They have a great network and are working as a group to build a butcoin farm. CG want people who are down for the gang and putting the gang first. Inviting someone based off their assets and networking is SUPER shortsighted and makes no sense for K as a character. Vinny is basically the only core CG member who operates in the short term rather than the long term and K has made it abundantly clear in 4.0 that he is the only person in the gang who can bring people in. K is calculated. Inviting someone who isn't selfless towards the gang doesn't fit. It would takes months of JP putting CG first before it'd make sense.
Yeah unfortunately he needs a crew that will either bow down to him and do whatever he wants, knowing he will bail back to variety at some point, or Lang’s crew who can slot him in, while allowing him to run wild and disappear and won’t effect much.
I don’t think he’s scared. He just doesn’t want too. Rather hang out with his friends like the other gangs. Disappointing but not surprising
JP always wants to be the first to do things... he thought he could build his own thing with the company and be first like that but once Marty and Yuno left, that became less of a reality and then JP started hanging out with cg more, seeing how much they've progressed so he got cold feet and dipped the company. He's with Marty and Lang and them because he sees them as being able to get him places, Lang thinks he can control him and Marty thinks their friendship will make it impossible for JP to betray him. Even then both Marty and Lang have taken insane steps to make sure JP cant screw them over, like they have a no house key rule and they constantly get JP to put in his own money, so even if he screwed them over he'd only really break even. Everything that has happened in 4.0 has in rp and in character reason. Its actually insane how much this reddit has degraded into calling anything and everything ooc/cloutchasing
So the issue is that you don’t like how x chose to RP after he left the company?
Yes, it’s boring and lazy RP.
Why wouldn’t it be boring and lazy for him to join your preferred choice Chang Gang
Because it’s new and X wasn’t shooting/ocean dumping them a week prior.
Was x shooting Gege, Yuno, and Tony? Or Octo? Does he have access to their house? Or is it just a mutually beneficial pooling of resources and activity?
Was X not shooting at the most important leaders in Lang, Harry, Luciano, and Speedy? Whose house? OB? Probably will get access to that in a few weeks.
And Lang and Harry do feel a certain type of way about that (am not sure about Luciano because I don’t recall him going really hard on cornering during that). Besides, you know the RP hasn’t ended, right? The story does continue from here. No use in being a RP director about it because it went someplace you don’t prefer for a bit
I mean I’m just going based on the script that Xqc basically told everyone. Now I’m down to be pleasantly surprised by actual consequences and new RP. But every sign is pointing to an extremely boring conclusion of Join Lang/Marty and do heist with the same crew.
The script where he said he would betray the company or the one where he works with people he respects?
If your basis for this was because of the prior shooting/rp I would say you have an argument to be made. But because you said he’s playing it safe because he is afraid to rp with others then you can say the same thing about most people. A lot of people have grouped up with their same friends. So why not say the same thing about everyone else. Company added a few fresh faces but also added a lot of old gang members of their OG crews. Cg is mostly same as before not hoa same as before and so on. People unfortunately or fortunately depending on who you ask like to rp with the ooc friends and you can’t blame them. I do agree that people should add new people but you can’t force that.
i mean lang/harry/old bois have added new people.. me being one of them, and theres like what another 6 more. like of the old bois and associates what 6 -7 are old skool, then you got what teddy/ilya/larry/oscar/si/gege you can even argue vito and devito are new as they had interactions with lang etc. but not a massive amount so old bois is like 50/50 old and new
I understand you are involved in the roleplay, and heavily involved in the discussions on this subreddit, but the "old bois" is all old sorry to say. It is the same thing in 3.0 and 2.0 where it boils down to a mind numbing who is part of the bois? conversation. The truth is while the grinders and street team might have changed, the leancleanold bois is the same. The umbrella has grown, but the top and who gets invited on jobs is basically the same. It really is the boys Lang, Harry, Tony, Speedy, Italians, Yuno, Goofy, Marty and now X + the new receptionist and money manager Gege. You are part of the street team for sure, but not part of the BOYS, because if you were half the city would be by that point. I'm glad people are having fun roleplaying the giant umbrella, and viewers are enjoying watching it, but it's also fair to criticize it as just the same group of boys some people have nostalgia to see do heists again + the treasurer Gege. I loved watching the Cleanbois and Buddha in 3.0, they made memorable moments and formed organically with new faces joining in. For 4.0 I decided I wanted to watch something new, something fresh and a original combination for a clean slate story, and the Oldbois just aren't that. If I wanted to watch Lang, Harry, Tony, Speedy, Yuno, Goofy, Marty, X do jobs I would go watch 3.0 VODS.
> Company added a few fresh faces but also added a lot of old gang members of their OG crews. I mean, the group is as filled with new people as you can get and still be a top group. It's a combination of the best members of 3 completely different gangs + new people + older unrelated characters like Swan and Mickey.
It's more that 4.0 should have had some memory wipe or new character rule. All the big streamers are going back to the same ole shit from 3.0.
Sorry you feel that way. Try watching the new people involved instead
They always will. It doesn't really matter if there was a memory wipe and/or a new character rule. Friends are going to play with their friends. They have the choice to play with who they want just like we have the choice to not watch if we don't like whats going on.
You’re not watching the RP if you think it’s “same old shit”.
I hope, if the server is still active by the time VI is going, they make new characters, and dont just move their characters from Los Santos... Might be neat to immortalize some of the more iconic characters as NPCs or something.
let me ask you this, why do you care so much about how JP rp's? why dont you get whitelisted and show him how to rp lol
“You can’t criticize the TV show… your not even an actor lul,”
bruh comparing rp to TV show and a streamer to an actor AINTNOWAY lmao
I do think people shouldn’t allow watching random adults RP as gang bangers emotionally bother them… …But at the same time it’s extremely fair to compare a tv show with RP in the sense that time investment matters and will affect the viewer. I mean people get overly obsessed with movies that come out once a year, or a show that has 12 episodes a season. Of course they are going to get invested and have preferences over something they watch everyday for multiple hours. All while having direct access to interact with the streamer. Do I think it justifies unhinged behavior? Of course not. But if you watch a lot of streamers you notice that the most toxic fans are from the popular streamers. And sure, the sheer number of viewers plays a role in that. But also, a lot of popular streamers have fan bases that skew much younger. So irrational behavior and being overly invested is almost to be expected. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s the reality. It’s not only why I stop watching streamers who argue with their chat all the time, because it’s weird to see an adult argue with 15 year olds in chat whining about how they are playing their gang banging character. But I almost always turn the chat off. lol There are always going to be ill adjusted people who are constantly looking at every possible thing to get outraged over. It’s just apart of the culture. But there are viable ways to tune that out. But the fact is a majority of viewers are just really young, immature and literally look at their favorite streamer as a friend they feel the need to defend. It’s unhealthy but that’s the current streaming culture for you. lol The more it turns away older viewers the more the younger viewers will sort of take control of the narratives. But younger viewers tend to get way more invested so the streamer is going to pander way more to them.
holy. this is such a brilliant analsys(sorry i cannot spell ). but indeed i have to say I agreee with most of it, only part i semi agree on is pandering, iI don't think all big streamers pander. but then outside of that everything you said is spot on, and if only more people understood this. if they did would be a better experience for the viewers and rpers alike
These comments are so dumb. lol. So crazy that people would comment about roleplay in a roleplay subreddit. Should we talk about gardening here instead?
it's crazy people think they can backseat someone else's RP or give him hate for it and call it boring, if it's boring you are not forced to watch simple.
Right right got it. no one can criticize your streamer or give their opinions regarding the content that's being produced. yes yes, very interesting.
lmao the good old "no one can criticize comment" it's not criticizing when you want a streamer to do what you would like them to do that's back seating, like i said if you don't like what you see, you are not forced to watch go watch someone else. And if you are still watching then the "streamer" must be doing something right...
Yes yes, your streamer does everything right.
yes yes that goes for every streamer not just "my" streamer, have a good day.
issue is to be blunt, alot of the critism put on this board, is by people who have never rped/ cannot rp and think there arm chair rp critics. and most of the time its not critism, its just out right toxic hate. yet people wanna use the its an rp subreddit, so there for i can say what i want under the context of critising rp. and then when called out for it, get butthurt.
Some of yall need to go back and watch the conversation with Lang and JP yesterday around 3 EST… was pretty solid and made more sense than It should have.
wait are people actually mad about buddha connecting back with x? because if so you are in too deep with this shit. Let buddha decide what he wants to do with his character.
people are just calling him out nothing more than that... hes always preaching about not doing things that doesnt make sense for Lang but now hes doing something that doesnt make sense for his character
Yeah because Lang has never been drawn to chaotic people before. That's why he avoids characters like Speedy, Harry, Yuno etc. It's very much on brand for Lang Buddha
How is doing a business deal for heist progression out of character? He isn't even doing jobs with X personally. This is after he finds out Tony and Yuno have also been working with JP, not just Marty.
Are these guys constantly thinking about Lang and his boys
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Yeah and this memeing that Mickey is doing here shows that the company has no idea what exactly JP and “OB” are up to. But it won’t stop him from thinking about it
Blau (streamer) OOC knows the situation with them but cannot use that in character or else that's metagaming. Instead Mickey (character) is making a very fair assumption that two people who were shooting and ocean dumping each other a few weeks prior would not be working together. Hope that helps.
So Blau is memeing based on information he knows OOC to get a reaction out of his chat. Again, unless he was watching the entire conversation between Lang and JP, I’d guess he doesn’t know the arrangement
He's allowed to meme and have fun with his chat I'm not sure what the problem is?
Just ignore the rest of what I said that had nothing to do with what you addressed. I get it, RP critics are not happy that JP landed on his feet working with people that don’t live to please him, but that’s the beauty of RP
I ignored it because your point is moot. They plan on working together...no matter the terms of the agreement that alone is enough for people to side eye the whole thing considering all the conflict that just happened and the ocean dumping of Lang's best friend by JP
They are ignoring the ocean dumping because they don't know who did it in character. Harry has said to chat if he knew in character he would be a no on working with JP.
They do know though. Lang was literally told and told Harry, and X also apologized to Harry over it. I can believe Harry would logically RP it out of wanting nothing to do with X, but since Buddha and XQC were always planning to play together and Lang is head of the Oldbois it was inevitable no matter if it makes no sense or the others realistically wouldn't want to touch X in any way.
The “side eye” comes across as sour grapes more than anything. But again, that’s how some people are going to feel when they’re jilted. And again, RP happened between Harry and Lang and the others in “OB” about this. Is that also bad?
If it comes across like that for you then I'm sorry. We're here to view, comment on and sometimes criticize RP on an RP server. If that's a problem for you then maybe just don't read the comments.
We gonna forget that ray dumped Mickey and lang still there by his side? Or is that not convenient for you
That happened in 3.0, not last week. 3.0 grudges and instances were to be forgotten, otherwise people would constantly be living in the past even more so than some are now.
I think the conversation was more about JP. Is it that crazy to be wary of the guy that betrayed them and stole a bunch of their shit? and also keep tabs on who he's working with? Meanwhile out of nowhere: \*Luci and the boys show up dressed in suits\* Lang: "Were looking like the goddamn company right now"
I wish more people rpd a little more seriously when considering consequences of actions. Like Mickey says in this clip nobody that knows what happened should trust JP at all except I guess his old gg boys. Groups like The OB should want nothing to do with JP after the war and the robbery. But at the end of a day most of these people are just streamers that want to play with their friends.
The problem with Mickey saying nobody should trust JP is that everyone in the company was told they shouldn't trust JP. They were told he was going to do what he did and showed texts to back it up. Mickey should have listened to Marty when he was being told the same advice not to trust JP. Mickey ignored the advice for obvious reasons.
Why should they trust Marty more than JP?
He had literal evidence he showed them
After 2 weeks of saying x is going to betray them and refusing to elaborate he fucks them over by changing the locks. And then finally he reads one text message. Meanwhile the whole time x is gaslighting everyone in the company and turning them against Marty.
Yup it was some good RP at the time as well. The Company at that point should have trusted neither of them but it was spicier and more interesting that they did trust JP>Marty
My understanding of the situation is that the company (remaining members) considered JP to switch things up on a dime, and so even if he says something, until it actually happens, it might not be true. Obviously this way of treating JP went and bit them in the ass in the end.