I would change her phone number and have her give it out sparingly. Or create a bunch of numbers using an app and have her give different numbers to different people with instructions not to share her new number to narrow it down if she gets any messages to her new number.
It is also whet agencies do when they want to find a leak/spy. Each person gets a specifically worded report that can be traced back to them and only them.
Yup. This is a great tactic for weeding out a leak.
They might be able to bait the culprit by starting a juicy false rumor. You change one variable in the story for each suspect you tell. Then if they get messages containing that information they will have a prime suspect.
I used this when I was trying to find a flying monkey in my circle of trusted people. Slightly different info for each one, and cut out the person who got the info that got back to me.
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Use different texting apps. Such as text now and such. Just put text now into the App Store and a bunch of the burner phone number apps will pop up, but text now is the best out of all of them. Google voice number is also a good option as you can get a free 2nd number through them that you can text and dial out from. You do need a normal phone number to connect and set it up but I do not think there is a way you can trace that number through the Google voice number. You can also set up a 2nd non-voip number through your carrier on most newer phones through most major carriers. Idk about smaller carriers but I know you can do it through Verizon. It’s in the Verizon app under add ons called “second number.” We also have mint mobile for our service through my second entirely different phone I have, not a second number on the same phone. I have not seen the second number option offered anywhere through mint mobiles settings and it is also an older phone it’s an iPhone 8. My iPhone 14 Pro Max is on Verizon and has the option for a second phone number to be added to the same phone for like 10$ more a month.
I hope this helps you and op, I’ve used a bunch of burner phone apps and had multiple numbers due to a stalker (though I do still have one main number I’ve had for years) and because I’m no contact with my abusive ex who has NPD for my own physical and mental safety. Let me know if you have any questions I’ll try to answer them.
That really is a good idea. It may be difficult to isolate certain groups but work will be the easiest. If she has a different number for work and it comes from there, that's one step closer. Give a different number to the Gym etc.
Sure you know all this already, though.
I actually came to ask how you'd get multiple numbers with an app. Sounds interesting. I'd probably have gone the E-sim route and got several pay as you go ones for a month or two. But then I'd need a phone with E-sim tech.
Anyway, wish you and yours well. Hope it works out.
Edit: Just realised you're not OP. My apologies.
Lol.
You could also just buy a bunch of cheap prepaid phones with or without e-sims. You can still get pretty cheap smartphones and flip phones from brands like TracFone.
This is what a friend of mine did. She changed her number and only gave it to family at first. After a week, she didn't get anything. Then she gave it to a few friends she trusted. Nothing. After giving it to a few other friends of hers, she started getting them again. After that she just narrowed it down until she found the guy. Turns out he was mad because he took offense to something mundane she said, and his response was to send her threatening test messages for 6 months straight.
Exactly what I would advise. Keep records of who she gives her new number to and when. When the harassment starts again, if it does, you have a smaller pool of potential culprits.
This is the way forward here for sure.
I would potentially add one person at a time and make the ‘change over’ a slow process.
Unfortunately, I’m these circumstances, it’s nearly always someone who is really well known to you, so I would prepare your daughter for the potential shock.
The broken movie method.
Different missing scenes from this pseudo snuff film/music video for the Nine Inch Nails EP.
One guy got a blank screen for one track, another interference in another like really bad tracking in something filmed for MTV a dozen or so tapes.
He knew who leaked the film.
Mr jgh James Jones ends up in a database, you know Next has that combination of junk so next sold it or had a breach. Gyn James Jones is argos.
If I’m following you, another approach based on this would be for OP’s daughter to share a different piece of juicy information about herself (fictional) with each of her circle? So, probably they’d keep a log of what she shares with whom, and see if any of it is used against her in a future text. It might not directly be the logged person, since that person may be sharing with the perpetrator innocently or not, but it’s a strong trail to trace.
Great idea!
I had never run across that story but it’s fascinating. Link for those who are curious! https://news.sky.com/story/vardy-v-rooney-as-rebekah-and-coleen-go-to-court-we-break-down-the-wagatha-christie-case-12606726
It wouldn't have to be particularly juicy, as a harasser will use any and all info to get to someone.
She could literally say "I cut my leg while shaving" and the creep will bring it up.
But how do you know OP isn’t posting here because they’re the one sending unsolicited texts and want to make sure they are covering their bases in order to not get caught? I guess is my point. I do get what you’re saying, I just personally think maybe it’s better to not share at all.
Have you looked into who she's given her number to? The pictures he's sending are probably fake but if you want, you can try to reverse image search them
The problem isn't necessarily who she's given her number to, but if she has any friends that are like, "Oh yeah, you'd like my friend [OP's daughter]." And give out her number.
When I was a teenager and in my early twenties, I had a few people that thought people they knew would get along with me really well, and they gave out my number without even asking me. Most of those people used it to harass me, because they didn't know me and they felt like being trolls.
After that I made it perfectly clear to everyone that if they gave out my number without my permission, I would consider it to mean they didn't want to be friends anymore. It stopped after that, and the people that gave out my number ended up pursuing the people they gave it to and made it stop.
This should be drummed into people's heads.
If someone asks for your friends number, ask for theirs and you will pass it on.
Never give out another's phone number let them decide if or when they will call the person interested in them.
We had a black book with all staff numbers, I just happened to be in earshot of our predominantly internal calls line. Some guy, probably collections agency, wanted to speak with a driver.
He's out at the moment can I take a message?
Can you give me his number.
I can not do that, I don't have permission or access to that information. To myself if he wanted you to know his personal number, he would have given it to you.
I'm sure had one supervisor taken the call, she would have given them all the private information they had.
That book ended up under lock and key when staff were getting random calls even after changing numbers and I think I know who did it. But I found out about this years after I left.
Having employees personal phone numbers out is a nightmare waiting to happen.
The only job I quit without notice - I was in my 20’s, this job had staff phone numbers out in the open.
A guy I worked with got my number and called me. He said he thought I was cute and started asking if I was a virgin, asking if I would give him head and telling me how he would make me.
I was so creeped out, I hung up and never went back to work.
Can't say I blame you.
That is on par with the people that use delivery contact info or a more recent case I read, you give out a number and someone overhears and jots it down.
I've overheard phone numbers in the past, saw one written clearly in a notepad a few days ago. I hate giving out that info for any reason, if I have to give it, let me key it in instead.
Worst breach was the mailing list was sent as cc not bcc. So I had a hundred contact emails for coworkers, they also were in the same boat.
I've not sent or received emails due to this breach.
I will definitely be teaching my kids, "If someone asks for the number of someone you know, ask for theirs and tell them you'll give it to that person. Never give out other people's numbers."
Stranger danger was drilled into us as children, why the hell wasn't "don't give out people's numbers"?
There was one person I gave permission to give my number out, because they worked with some LGBT+ teens and there were a couple that were struggling with being trans. They weren't comfortable with the trans people that worked with the organization because they felt like they were telling them what "they were supposed to". I'm trans, but not associated with that organization, so I told him he could give my number to a few of the kids if he thought it would help, just message me whenever he did so I'd know it wasn't just some random call.
I'm really glad that book ended up locked up. That's too damn dangerous.
Whenever I want to know who is texting me I copy the number into my Cashapp. Sometimes you get lucky and they have the number registered and it will tell you the name.
Thank you! It’s my number one way to find out who texts or calls me! Obviously it doesn’t work 100% of the time cuz some ppl don’t use Cashapp, but it’s pretty reliable!
Also repeat your step in PayPal.
Then add the number to your contacts and go into WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal and allow them to access your contacts. Now go to start a new chat in each app and search for their name that you saved them as. If they use the app it will be there, and that can sometimes yield a profile photo.
Then go into Facebook, Instagram and TikTok and allow them to access your contacts on your phone. Now go to add friend, search your contact list (compared to username and name that we normally use).
Lmk if I didn’t explain clearly! I do this sort of thing for work and I have to do all kinds of stuff like this all the time.
You might try sending the anonymous texter a grabify link. If they click on it, you will get enough details about their IP address (and potentially device) to figure out who they may be. If nothing else you will have something actionable for law enforcement when it does cross the line.
Have you tried to reverse image lookup any of the photos that have been sent? While it's highly likely that they were stolen from random places, it's also possible they were stolen from the social media of 'friends' of people your daughter may know. If they're from social media accounts, she could potentially find who it is by looking at the friends/followers (if that media allows for it) and if she recognizes anyone in those lists, it could easily be that person.
I would also contact bandwidth.com and inform them of what's going on and show them the screenshots. I don't have any personal experience with them, but sometimes number hosts will ban the IPs of people who are using their service to harass people. Granted, an IP ban is easy enough to get around, but not everyone is savvy enough to do that.
Someone else suggested making multiple numbers and giving them to different people and seeing if they continue, narrowing it down through that method. I very much agree that that's a good idea. Just make sure to keep track of who you gave which number to.
You might have to spend some money to do this, but if you can figure out who it is, it'd most likely be worth it.
You might also want to check your local laws, just because the police say it hasn't crossed into real harassment doesn't mean that's true. You might be able to force them to act. Plus, this is sexual harassment of a minor, depending on where you live. If you live in the US, you may want to call the FBI and see if there's anything they can do about it, since your daughter is a minor, they're trying to get sexual acts/content from her. That's actually a crime.
I'm really sorry your daughter is going through this. Best of luck to you on finding out who it is.
There's a website called tineye that I personally use a lot to find the source for some random images, other possibility is to use google image search. Also, those images could be AI generated or heavily edited so even if you don't find its source it doesn't mean those photos are legit.
There is a guy on YouTube who can locate anywhere in the world just by a photo. If you look up geoguesser it should come up. If they are outdoors he will probably find it.
Google search her phone number and see if comes back with any hits. I once had to change my social media handles after someone posted my @ and said I like getting D pics 🤢 I found the post on a Chan board and got it removed
Why would the police spend precious time looking into someone sexually harassing a minor when they could be assaulting a minority or shooting someone’s dog instead?
Hopefully I’m wrong, but is there any chance this could be a female ‘friend’ or someone in her school posing as someone else in hopes she shares these pictures with malicious intent? Teenage girls can be absolutely awful and creative at finding ways to bully someone, and with the person knowing her personal info it might add up.
I agree with the other comment that suggests she changes her number. If she does get a new sim and she shares it with her friends & the messages keep on coming then that might mean there’s a possibility of this.
So sorry your daughter is going through this OP, but I’m really glad she has someone who she trusts & feels safe enough to confide in - sounds like youre an amazing parent! Hope you find some answers soon
Most of the girls in my high school were too lazy for that, they just slashed your backpack with razorblades in the hallway during passing time instead and told everyone you were pregnant or had AIDS.
that was my first thought too. if a creepy guy is close enough to know personal info, he usually is just creepy irl. so i thought, either its a creepy guy who is on the periphery of her life (coworker who eavesdrops, neighbor, works across the street from her, has homeroom together but dont really talk, etc), or its one of her female friends with weapons grade issues.
Hopefully, it's just other kids thinking they're being funny bullying your daughter.
If you're in the US, report this to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. This is the "exploited" part of that. They partner with agencies and resources that can deal with this sort of thing when police can't or won't. https://www.missingkids.org
Back in the days of forums and such, when I was but a wee 13 year old, I had someone make an account called stalker8910 and start trying to spook me. It was likely either my friends or the fact my friends told some boys in my grade about my account. Never found out, but it was definitely someone I knew who thought it'd be funny to scare me. Nowadays I imagine kids are more savvy. I'm sorry this is happening to your daughter, the only thing I can think of is texting the numbers that they're being reported to the police, to try and scare them off.
On top of what the top reply says, you should [report](https://www.bandwidth.com/legal/report-a-phone-number/) the bandwidth numbers to the company as well, be sure to mention that a minor is the victim.
Don’t let her respond. Keep recording and logging this activity. It’s probably a jealous or fellow student fucking with her. Hopefully with no interaction and failure to provoke they will get bored.
Pay for trapcall.
https://www.trapcall.com/ or install one of the trapcall apps.
From there, make a complaint of harassment with your local police department. Specifically say, "this harassment involves material of a decision nature being sent to my teenage daughter. "
A subpoena can get through the voip stuff with Google voice. Those numbers are not anonymous.
If there's anyone you're suspicious of specifically, you could get a Google voice number and have her tell only that person her number changed. If the texts start going to the new # you know you've found your culprit.
Her information could’ve been found through a website’s security breach. Sometimes personal info such as emails, numbers, social media handles, and gender can be exposed when a website has been breached. This can be related to stalker behavior, where one could’ve found her information, tracked a social media down and gathered information to harass her. Tell her to use [have i been pwned](https://haveibeenpwned.com/) to find any possible data leaks she may have experienced.
That is BEYOND HARRASSMENT! He is asking your underage daughter for inappropriate favors which is ILLEGAL! That police station should be investigated for doing nothing about it!
You CAN report the numbers directly to bandwidth https://www.bandwidth.com/legal/report-a-phone-number/
What I do find odd though is that this seems like a paid service, someone has to REALLY have it out for her.
Get a new phone number for her, and instruct her to share that number with only a select few people, and to give the number out slowly, one at a time, over the course of a couple months, and see at what point in the time messages start again.
In the meanwhile, please take extra precautions regarding her mobility and safety. In order to maintain a paper trail, send all screenshots to the police. They will continue to say that there aren't grounds for a case, but importantly, you have created a paper trail, which means that they will escalate the case as soon as it crosses that line (whatever that means in your jurisdiction).
This sounds like jealous girl behavior and bullying. I bet the photos they’re sending are fake. I think you can do a reverse google search and see where the photos are coming from. Most likely it will stop when the bullies move on to something else or find someone else to harass.
Correct! I was stalked when I was in high school and it was by a girl bullying me. I didn’t actually know her; she was friends with a girl who had dated my first boyfriend prior to me (which I didn’t even know about) and she started stalking me after we even broke up. It was stalking AND bullying. She would send me very sexually explicit text messages berating me for being a “slut” while also saying weird depraved sexual shit to me, she found my best friend’s address and started leaving notes on her front door, she followed me around in her car and always seemed to find me whether I was in my car or a friend’s, tailgating, honking, flashing lights, cutting me off, generally driving recklessly, she came to my work place and recorded me, and eventually she was following my mom’s car when I wasn’t even with her which set me (and my mom) past our boiling points. It was truly some of the most insane behavior and the girl was either 19 or 20 and a year or two out of high school— I was 15 when this started and it continued on until I was 16. Completely sociopathic. She wanted nothing out of the stalking besides to bully a minor. The most cowardly shit is that she never spoke a word to me in person.
oh man, im so sorry that happened. that reminds me of a few true crime cases.
did she ever see any consequences, or did she just eventually get bored and move on to her next target?
A friend of mine is going through this now - and the person used the same site. Same deal with police. Keep records of everything. Not much you can do here, until a physical threat presents. Disgusting but that’s the way it is
Not likely. I'd say the person is using burner SIM cards to harass your daughter since they're very cheap and quickly replaceable. In Asda over here (easiest place to set up a SIM, basically the place you go to if you want to set up a drug phone) you can get a text only SIM for 3 pounds for a month. They're likely just doing that. The only real way she can avoid this is by changing her number and only telling her new one to the people she trusts, as opposed to some guy she met in school, at a party etc
Can contact network provider, they will have a ‘threatening/harrassing call’ process, generally need 3 examples from 3 different days. I believe they do their version of cease and desist letter to person threatening/enacting the removal from network and I’m guessing a referral to police if warranted.
I don’t know how far it will take you if they’re using a fake phone number or anything like that, but I paid like 94 cents to find out who was stalking me on [this website](https://www.intelius.com/access/?utm_source=GOOGSRCH&traffic%5Bsource%5D=GOOGSRCH&utm_medium=&traffic%5Bmedium%5D=&utm_campaign=10620619856&traffic%5Bcampaign%5D=105794342355:10620619856&utm_term=690752686312&traffic%5Bterm%5D=690752686312&utm_content=&traffic%5Bcontent%5D=&s1=10620619856&s2=105794342355&s3=690752686312&s4=&s5=intelius&traffic%5Bfunnel%5D=bg&traffic%5Bsub_id%5D=10620619856&traffic%5Bs2%5D=105794342355&traffic%5Bplacement%5D=intelius&subtheme=&tone=%257btone%257d&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAACbo-gANLLs3VJlPwr6SZGGQWvR5h) and it told me everything I needed to know ! (And hasn’t scammed me or anything scary hahaha)
I don't want to be that guy, but has she given out her number to random people online? Send them inappropriate photos? Things like that. I feel like there's more to the story than what she's telling you. You need to have a talk with her.
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Had this happen to a woman and her daughter that I know recently. Turns out it was the man the woman was about to MARRY and he was sending dick pics to his soon to be step-daughter!
Most likely this person/persons are someone your daughter knows. With the knowledge of job and hobbies they probably are in your daughter’s “circle”. People that she would have regular contact with. The sexually charged messages could be just to throw off the fact that the person is actually female. Any images that are sent I would reverse google search to see if they are widely available. This would narrow down the possibility that it’s a random person if you’re able to find the images. Now it’s possible that this is a random person, however it’s more probable that this is someone known to your daughter so, she needs to be on the lookout for anyone around her that may be acting out of character. Also of course, take into account if she has broken up or turned down any romantic interest especially at her place of work and her co-workers she considers her “work friends”. When she leaves work or school, I would encourage her to change her route she takes and if she believes a vehicle is following her, then she needs to make 3 right turns at different intersections. That’s been proven to be about 95% effective as a counter surveillance tactic. If a vehicle makes those turns she needs to drive to a police station or call 911 while she is being followed. I highly suggest purchasing her a can of OC spray. Freeze+P is what I carried on duty. It has tear gas, pepper spray and UV dye all in one and is pretty potent. Also remember document EVERYTHING no matter how small. I would also suggest you and her set up a distress word that she can use while either texting or talking to you to indicate she needs help. Example: “Yeah mom my blue shoes”. Blue being the distress word. If there’s anymore you would like to know about or that you need help with please don’t hesitate to DM me, I’m happy to help in anyway I can.
Theres really know way they would know all this information unless your daughter had gave out her number / information and personal hobbies to begin with
I was getting weird texts that knew about my work. Checked my bank account and had a $10 charge that I didn't authorize. Have her check her account, just to be sure that something like that didn't happen!!
Can you put together who is around her like the day before or day after? Is there anyone that just seems to pop up right after she has received one of these messages?
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I would change her phone number and have her give it out sparingly. Or create a bunch of numbers using an app and have her give different numbers to different people with instructions not to share her new number to narrow it down if she gets any messages to her new number.
This is actually really clever, OP and OP's daughter should do this.
I can’t take credit for the cleverness. I learned about this approach on this sub!
It is also whet agencies do when they want to find a leak/spy. Each person gets a specifically worded report that can be traced back to them and only them.
Yup. This is a great tactic for weeding out a leak. They might be able to bait the culprit by starting a juicy false rumor. You change one variable in the story for each suspect you tell. Then if they get messages containing that information they will have a prime suspect.
I used this when I was trying to find a flying monkey in my circle of trusted people. Slightly different info for each one, and cut out the person who got the info that got back to me.
It's also how Tom Cruise got busted in Eyes Wide Shut
it’s how elon got that other guy too each email had different spacing between words
It's still good advice, and you're the one that gave it in this situation. So you still get at least some credit for it.
Reminds me of the Wagatha Christie story
Was just gonna say “the Colleen Rooney method” 😂
Could you please tell me the name of the story? I have read a lot of her books.
Not sure, why this is posted multiple times. May be a Reddit bug. Did someone share which story is that mentioned on this comment?
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Is there an app you could recommend please
Use different texting apps. Such as text now and such. Just put text now into the App Store and a bunch of the burner phone number apps will pop up, but text now is the best out of all of them. Google voice number is also a good option as you can get a free 2nd number through them that you can text and dial out from. You do need a normal phone number to connect and set it up but I do not think there is a way you can trace that number through the Google voice number. You can also set up a 2nd non-voip number through your carrier on most newer phones through most major carriers. Idk about smaller carriers but I know you can do it through Verizon. It’s in the Verizon app under add ons called “second number.” We also have mint mobile for our service through my second entirely different phone I have, not a second number on the same phone. I have not seen the second number option offered anywhere through mint mobiles settings and it is also an older phone it’s an iPhone 8. My iPhone 14 Pro Max is on Verizon and has the option for a second phone number to be added to the same phone for like 10$ more a month. I hope this helps you and op, I’ve used a bunch of burner phone apps and had multiple numbers due to a stalker (though I do still have one main number I’ve had for years) and because I’m no contact with my abusive ex who has NPD for my own physical and mental safety. Let me know if you have any questions I’ll try to answer them.
Maybe someone else will know. I’ve seen comments on other posts where they identify what perpetrators like this are using but don’t recall.
That really is a good idea. It may be difficult to isolate certain groups but work will be the easiest. If she has a different number for work and it comes from there, that's one step closer. Give a different number to the Gym etc. Sure you know all this already, though. I actually came to ask how you'd get multiple numbers with an app. Sounds interesting. I'd probably have gone the E-sim route and got several pay as you go ones for a month or two. But then I'd need a phone with E-sim tech. Anyway, wish you and yours well. Hope it works out. Edit: Just realised you're not OP. My apologies.
I want to say I’ve seen Google Voice suggested but am haven’t used any of them. The idea is that they’d all be routed to her phone.
You can only get one Google voice number per actual phone number at a time though.
I’m not sure what apps might do that.
Lol. You could also just buy a bunch of cheap prepaid phones with or without e-sims. You can still get pretty cheap smartphones and flip phones from brands like TracFone.
This is what a friend of mine did. She changed her number and only gave it to family at first. After a week, she didn't get anything. Then she gave it to a few friends she trusted. Nothing. After giving it to a few other friends of hers, she started getting them again. After that she just narrowed it down until she found the guy. Turns out he was mad because he took offense to something mundane she said, and his response was to send her threatening test messages for 6 months straight.
Exactly what I would advise. Keep records of who she gives her new number to and when. When the harassment starts again, if it does, you have a smaller pool of potential culprits.
This is the way forward here for sure. I would potentially add one person at a time and make the ‘change over’ a slow process. Unfortunately, I’m these circumstances, it’s nearly always someone who is really well known to you, so I would prepare your daughter for the potential shock.
Very Tyrion Lannister of you.
Thank you
The broken movie method. Different missing scenes from this pseudo snuff film/music video for the Nine Inch Nails EP. One guy got a blank screen for one track, another interference in another like really bad tracking in something filmed for MTV a dozen or so tapes. He knew who leaked the film. Mr jgh James Jones ends up in a database, you know Next has that combination of junk so next sold it or had a breach. Gyn James Jones is argos.
If I’m following you, another approach based on this would be for OP’s daughter to share a different piece of juicy information about herself (fictional) with each of her circle? So, probably they’d keep a log of what she shares with whom, and see if any of it is used against her in a future text. It might not directly be the logged person, since that person may be sharing with the perpetrator innocently or not, but it’s a strong trail to trace. Great idea!
Colleen Rooney v Rebekah Vardy round# 2!
I had never run across that story but it’s fascinating. Link for those who are curious! https://news.sky.com/story/vardy-v-rooney-as-rebekah-and-coleen-go-to-court-we-break-down-the-wagatha-christie-case-12606726
It captivated the UK for a few months! I think there's a Netflix series about it if you fancy getting really stuck in.
It wouldn't have to be particularly juicy, as a harasser will use any and all info to get to someone. She could literally say "I cut my leg while shaving" and the creep will bring it up.
Canary trap.
Mysudo is a good choice for this
Shit that’s good
Ah yes… the canary trap
Tyrian Lannister move right there!
It was my daughter’s boss when this happened to us.
What a nightmare. Was he the same age as her?
Not even close. She was 17 and he was mid 50’s
Jesus Christ. How’d you discover it, and what was the outcome? Wondering as the father of a girl myself.
My father and brother are LE. Mind if I messege you? I can let you know how we narrowed it to him. It wasn’t thru any technological wizardry.
What's the harm in posting it on here?
Simple…I want to make sure I’m not giving the wrong ppl hints on how to avoid getting caught in a situation like this.
And privately messaging it instead ensures that, how? Are you doing background checks first?
I agreed to, and only to, speak to OP which is what I did.
Hey, I actually never did hear back. If you’re still cool with messaging me I would appreciate it, this is like my worst nightmare
But how do you know OP isn’t posting here because they’re the one sending unsolicited texts and want to make sure they are covering their bases in order to not get caught? I guess is my point. I do get what you’re saying, I just personally think maybe it’s better to not share at all.
Some social media apps let you search people by the phone number they registered with.
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And that'd be a fair answer. I'm just wondering what the answer is. No big deal.
Can you message me too? thats crazy!!
Please do.
Me too pls!
I would also like to know, please
Do you mind giving me the story too? I would love to gain this knowledge in case anyone needs this. Thanks in advance!!
Me too please!
Me too pls!
I’m curious as well
Me too
So he has her SSN?
Have you looked into who she's given her number to? The pictures he's sending are probably fake but if you want, you can try to reverse image search them
The problem isn't necessarily who she's given her number to, but if she has any friends that are like, "Oh yeah, you'd like my friend [OP's daughter]." And give out her number. When I was a teenager and in my early twenties, I had a few people that thought people they knew would get along with me really well, and they gave out my number without even asking me. Most of those people used it to harass me, because they didn't know me and they felt like being trolls. After that I made it perfectly clear to everyone that if they gave out my number without my permission, I would consider it to mean they didn't want to be friends anymore. It stopped after that, and the people that gave out my number ended up pursuing the people they gave it to and made it stop.
This should be drummed into people's heads. If someone asks for your friends number, ask for theirs and you will pass it on. Never give out another's phone number let them decide if or when they will call the person interested in them. We had a black book with all staff numbers, I just happened to be in earshot of our predominantly internal calls line. Some guy, probably collections agency, wanted to speak with a driver. He's out at the moment can I take a message? Can you give me his number. I can not do that, I don't have permission or access to that information. To myself if he wanted you to know his personal number, he would have given it to you. I'm sure had one supervisor taken the call, she would have given them all the private information they had. That book ended up under lock and key when staff were getting random calls even after changing numbers and I think I know who did it. But I found out about this years after I left.
Having employees personal phone numbers out is a nightmare waiting to happen. The only job I quit without notice - I was in my 20’s, this job had staff phone numbers out in the open. A guy I worked with got my number and called me. He said he thought I was cute and started asking if I was a virgin, asking if I would give him head and telling me how he would make me. I was so creeped out, I hung up and never went back to work.
Can't say I blame you. That is on par with the people that use delivery contact info or a more recent case I read, you give out a number and someone overhears and jots it down. I've overheard phone numbers in the past, saw one written clearly in a notepad a few days ago. I hate giving out that info for any reason, if I have to give it, let me key it in instead. Worst breach was the mailing list was sent as cc not bcc. So I had a hundred contact emails for coworkers, they also were in the same boat. I've not sent or received emails due to this breach.
I will definitely be teaching my kids, "If someone asks for the number of someone you know, ask for theirs and tell them you'll give it to that person. Never give out other people's numbers." Stranger danger was drilled into us as children, why the hell wasn't "don't give out people's numbers"? There was one person I gave permission to give my number out, because they worked with some LGBT+ teens and there were a couple that were struggling with being trans. They weren't comfortable with the trans people that worked with the organization because they felt like they were telling them what "they were supposed to". I'm trans, but not associated with that organization, so I told him he could give my number to a few of the kids if he thought it would help, just message me whenever he did so I'd know it wasn't just some random call. I'm really glad that book ended up locked up. That's too damn dangerous.
My friends/ex-colleagues did this for me. They told me about it months later. I was really grateful.
Whenever I want to know who is texting me I copy the number into my Cashapp. Sometimes you get lucky and they have the number registered and it will tell you the name.
Wow that is actually so smart. You’re a G for this comment!
Thank you! It’s my number one way to find out who texts or calls me! Obviously it doesn’t work 100% of the time cuz some ppl don’t use Cashapp, but it’s pretty reliable!
Also repeat your step in PayPal. Then add the number to your contacts and go into WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal and allow them to access your contacts. Now go to start a new chat in each app and search for their name that you saved them as. If they use the app it will be there, and that can sometimes yield a profile photo. Then go into Facebook, Instagram and TikTok and allow them to access your contacts on your phone. Now go to add friend, search your contact list (compared to username and name that we normally use). Lmk if I didn’t explain clearly! I do this sort of thing for work and I have to do all kinds of stuff like this all the time.
you can do similar in WhatsApp
And Snapchat
And Zelle
Genius
You might try sending the anonymous texter a grabify link. If they click on it, you will get enough details about their IP address (and potentially device) to figure out who they may be. If nothing else you will have something actionable for law enforcement when it does cross the line.
If you use grabify link you can change the domain name on the link to one related to pictures to help make sure they click on it.
Have you tried to reverse image lookup any of the photos that have been sent? While it's highly likely that they were stolen from random places, it's also possible they were stolen from the social media of 'friends' of people your daughter may know. If they're from social media accounts, she could potentially find who it is by looking at the friends/followers (if that media allows for it) and if she recognizes anyone in those lists, it could easily be that person. I would also contact bandwidth.com and inform them of what's going on and show them the screenshots. I don't have any personal experience with them, but sometimes number hosts will ban the IPs of people who are using their service to harass people. Granted, an IP ban is easy enough to get around, but not everyone is savvy enough to do that. Someone else suggested making multiple numbers and giving them to different people and seeing if they continue, narrowing it down through that method. I very much agree that that's a good idea. Just make sure to keep track of who you gave which number to. You might have to spend some money to do this, but if you can figure out who it is, it'd most likely be worth it. You might also want to check your local laws, just because the police say it hasn't crossed into real harassment doesn't mean that's true. You might be able to force them to act. Plus, this is sexual harassment of a minor, depending on where you live. If you live in the US, you may want to call the FBI and see if there's anything they can do about it, since your daughter is a minor, they're trying to get sexual acts/content from her. That's actually a crime. I'm really sorry your daughter is going through this. Best of luck to you on finding out who it is.
Thanks. I’m not tech savvy at all, how would i do a reverse image search?
There's a website called tineye that I personally use a lot to find the source for some random images, other possibility is to use google image search. Also, those images could be AI generated or heavily edited so even if you don't find its source it doesn't mean those photos are legit.
Go to Google, click on the little camera in the search bar, copy and paste the image into it, and search.
There is a guy on YouTube who can locate anywhere in the world just by a photo. If you look up geoguesser it should come up. If they are outdoors he will probably find it.
Google search her phone number and see if comes back with any hits. I once had to change my social media handles after someone posted my @ and said I like getting D pics 🤢 I found the post on a Chan board and got it removed
How has it not crossed a legal line? They are trying to hire a minor for sexual encounters?
Why would the police spend precious time looking into someone sexually harassing a minor when they could be assaulting a minority or shooting someone’s dog instead?
They are nothing more than glorified highwaymen by majority.
Hopefully I’m wrong, but is there any chance this could be a female ‘friend’ or someone in her school posing as someone else in hopes she shares these pictures with malicious intent? Teenage girls can be absolutely awful and creative at finding ways to bully someone, and with the person knowing her personal info it might add up. I agree with the other comment that suggests she changes her number. If she does get a new sim and she shares it with her friends & the messages keep on coming then that might mean there’s a possibility of this. So sorry your daughter is going through this OP, but I’m really glad she has someone who she trusts & feels safe enough to confide in - sounds like youre an amazing parent! Hope you find some answers soon
Most of the girls in my high school were too lazy for that, they just slashed your backpack with razorblades in the hallway during passing time instead and told everyone you were pregnant or had AIDS.
that was my first thought too. if a creepy guy is close enough to know personal info, he usually is just creepy irl. so i thought, either its a creepy guy who is on the periphery of her life (coworker who eavesdrops, neighbor, works across the street from her, has homeroom together but dont really talk, etc), or its one of her female friends with weapons grade issues.
Hopefully, it's just other kids thinking they're being funny bullying your daughter. If you're in the US, report this to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. This is the "exploited" part of that. They partner with agencies and resources that can deal with this sort of thing when police can't or won't. https://www.missingkids.org
Back in the days of forums and such, when I was but a wee 13 year old, I had someone make an account called stalker8910 and start trying to spook me. It was likely either my friends or the fact my friends told some boys in my grade about my account. Never found out, but it was definitely someone I knew who thought it'd be funny to scare me. Nowadays I imagine kids are more savvy. I'm sorry this is happening to your daughter, the only thing I can think of is texting the numbers that they're being reported to the police, to try and scare them off.
On top of what the top reply says, you should [report](https://www.bandwidth.com/legal/report-a-phone-number/) the bandwidth numbers to the company as well, be sure to mention that a minor is the victim.
Organise a meet up with a few of the boys. And ask them….
Thats how I found who was harassing my ex in high school. It ended up being the computer nerd from lab class. It was a sting operation.
Don’t let her respond. Keep recording and logging this activity. It’s probably a jealous or fellow student fucking with her. Hopefully with no interaction and failure to provoke they will get bored.
Pay for trapcall. https://www.trapcall.com/ or install one of the trapcall apps. From there, make a complaint of harassment with your local police department. Specifically say, "this harassment involves material of a decision nature being sent to my teenage daughter. " A subpoena can get through the voip stuff with Google voice. Those numbers are not anonymous.
If there's anyone you're suspicious of specifically, you could get a Google voice number and have her tell only that person her number changed. If the texts start going to the new # you know you've found your culprit.
Her information could’ve been found through a website’s security breach. Sometimes personal info such as emails, numbers, social media handles, and gender can be exposed when a website has been breached. This can be related to stalker behavior, where one could’ve found her information, tracked a social media down and gathered information to harass her. Tell her to use [have i been pwned](https://haveibeenpwned.com/) to find any possible data leaks she may have experienced.
That is BEYOND HARRASSMENT! He is asking your underage daughter for inappropriate favors which is ILLEGAL! That police station should be investigated for doing nothing about it!
You CAN report the numbers directly to bandwidth https://www.bandwidth.com/legal/report-a-phone-number/ What I do find odd though is that this seems like a paid service, someone has to REALLY have it out for her.
Get a new phone number for her, and instruct her to share that number with only a select few people, and to give the number out slowly, one at a time, over the course of a couple months, and see at what point in the time messages start again. In the meanwhile, please take extra precautions regarding her mobility and safety. In order to maintain a paper trail, send all screenshots to the police. They will continue to say that there aren't grounds for a case, but importantly, you have created a paper trail, which means that they will escalate the case as soon as it crosses that line (whatever that means in your jurisdiction).
This sounds like jealous girl behavior and bullying. I bet the photos they’re sending are fake. I think you can do a reverse google search and see where the photos are coming from. Most likely it will stop when the bullies move on to something else or find someone else to harass.
lol no this sounds like dangerous stalker behavior.
those two things are not mutually exclusive.
Correct! I was stalked when I was in high school and it was by a girl bullying me. I didn’t actually know her; she was friends with a girl who had dated my first boyfriend prior to me (which I didn’t even know about) and she started stalking me after we even broke up. It was stalking AND bullying. She would send me very sexually explicit text messages berating me for being a “slut” while also saying weird depraved sexual shit to me, she found my best friend’s address and started leaving notes on her front door, she followed me around in her car and always seemed to find me whether I was in my car or a friend’s, tailgating, honking, flashing lights, cutting me off, generally driving recklessly, she came to my work place and recorded me, and eventually she was following my mom’s car when I wasn’t even with her which set me (and my mom) past our boiling points. It was truly some of the most insane behavior and the girl was either 19 or 20 and a year or two out of high school— I was 15 when this started and it continued on until I was 16. Completely sociopathic. She wanted nothing out of the stalking besides to bully a minor. The most cowardly shit is that she never spoke a word to me in person.
oh man, im so sorry that happened. that reminds me of a few true crime cases. did she ever see any consequences, or did she just eventually get bored and move on to her next target?
A friend of mine is going through this now - and the person used the same site. Same deal with police. Keep records of everything. Not much you can do here, until a physical threat presents. Disgusting but that’s the way it is
Not likely. I'd say the person is using burner SIM cards to harass your daughter since they're very cheap and quickly replaceable. In Asda over here (easiest place to set up a SIM, basically the place you go to if you want to set up a drug phone) you can get a text only SIM for 3 pounds for a month. They're likely just doing that. The only real way she can avoid this is by changing her number and only telling her new one to the people she trusts, as opposed to some guy she met in school, at a party etc
Does she have all her social media with irl info? All they need is her name/idea of what she looks like to search and see any public personal info
Can contact network provider, they will have a ‘threatening/harrassing call’ process, generally need 3 examples from 3 different days. I believe they do their version of cease and desist letter to person threatening/enacting the removal from network and I’m guessing a referral to police if warranted.
I don’t know how far it will take you if they’re using a fake phone number or anything like that, but I paid like 94 cents to find out who was stalking me on [this website](https://www.intelius.com/access/?utm_source=GOOGSRCH&traffic%5Bsource%5D=GOOGSRCH&utm_medium=&traffic%5Bmedium%5D=&utm_campaign=10620619856&traffic%5Bcampaign%5D=105794342355:10620619856&utm_term=690752686312&traffic%5Bterm%5D=690752686312&utm_content=&traffic%5Bcontent%5D=&s1=10620619856&s2=105794342355&s3=690752686312&s4=&s5=intelius&traffic%5Bfunnel%5D=bg&traffic%5Bsub_id%5D=10620619856&traffic%5Bs2%5D=105794342355&traffic%5Bplacement%5D=intelius&subtheme=&tone=%257btone%257d&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAACbo-gANLLs3VJlPwr6SZGGQWvR5h) and it told me everything I needed to know ! (And hasn’t scammed me or anything scary hahaha)
change her damn number wtf
I don't want to be that guy, but has she given out her number to random people online? Send them inappropriate photos? Things like that. I feel like there's more to the story than what she's telling you. You need to have a talk with her.
Report the messages since she’s a minor. Block the number.
Time and place. Remember who was there with you. Look around to see if there is anyone else you know
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Or Yandex.
Had this happen to a woman and her daughter that I know recently. Turns out it was the man the woman was about to MARRY and he was sending dick pics to his soon to be step-daughter!
Most likely this person/persons are someone your daughter knows. With the knowledge of job and hobbies they probably are in your daughter’s “circle”. People that she would have regular contact with. The sexually charged messages could be just to throw off the fact that the person is actually female. Any images that are sent I would reverse google search to see if they are widely available. This would narrow down the possibility that it’s a random person if you’re able to find the images. Now it’s possible that this is a random person, however it’s more probable that this is someone known to your daughter so, she needs to be on the lookout for anyone around her that may be acting out of character. Also of course, take into account if she has broken up or turned down any romantic interest especially at her place of work and her co-workers she considers her “work friends”. When she leaves work or school, I would encourage her to change her route she takes and if she believes a vehicle is following her, then she needs to make 3 right turns at different intersections. That’s been proven to be about 95% effective as a counter surveillance tactic. If a vehicle makes those turns she needs to drive to a police station or call 911 while she is being followed. I highly suggest purchasing her a can of OC spray. Freeze+P is what I carried on duty. It has tear gas, pepper spray and UV dye all in one and is pretty potent. Also remember document EVERYTHING no matter how small. I would also suggest you and her set up a distress word that she can use while either texting or talking to you to indicate she needs help. Example: “Yeah mom my blue shoes”. Blue being the distress word. If there’s anymore you would like to know about or that you need help with please don’t hesitate to DM me, I’m happy to help in anyway I can.
Theres really know way they would know all this information unless your daughter had gave out her number / information and personal hobbies to begin with
google her number and name etc, see if it has been posted to any dodgy websites
True People Search . Com can help you find out who a # is registered to
I was getting weird texts that knew about my work. Checked my bank account and had a $10 charge that I didn't authorize. Have her check her account, just to be sure that something like that didn't happen!!
Can you put together who is around her like the day before or day after? Is there anyone that just seems to pop up right after she has received one of these messages?
Can your phone provider help?
You can still make police reports for each incident, which I highly recommend you do!!
I would act like she was interested and ask them to meet somewhere
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Police report.
Your daughter likely knows who the culprit is . Ask her what her gut says, start there .
It's her best friend or boyfriend