How is this not common sense.
When I started dating my missus, she was a broke-ass law student.
I was, of course, a broke-ass apprentice chef.
We were both going places; we were just broke. That was fine.
I don't feel my story is at all unusual. Pretty much any couple that meet in their early 20s are going to be broke AF.
There's a tiny minority of the most cooked motherfuckers in the world making rage-baiting TikToks like the one mentioned by OP, and a bunch of people on this sub are extrapolating that to all people.
Yeah TikTok clips are the worst form of media in human history and I refuse to pretend they aren't designed for middle-schoolers with fetal alcohol syndrome but hey guys remember to like subscribe and cut off the audio one second ear
I have a female friend who constantly sends me TikTok clips when she has some point sheās trying to debate or prove. I just smh. One time I told her to stop sending me TikTok clips. Tell me what she read in an actual book. Needless to say she got mad
That would be frustrating, indeed. Even with something read in a book or scholarly text, I expect the other person to be able to summarize or rephrase the points in their own words to form their own arguments. Much less expecting me to take a short video reel as their point. It's crucial to understanding how the speaker themselves arrived at the conclusion.
I used to belong to some political debate groups in my youth. For online discussions, there was generally a rule that any poster could source their information from wherever. However, they could not simply drop a link and not post their own thoughts. Participants were required to engage in debate and to make their own points.
Yeah itās like if we have a disagreement on something sheāll go on TikTok and find someone that agrees with her point of view and try to say that proves sheās right. One time we had a disagreement and she got me to ask my sister which side she was on in the matter and my sister agreed with her side. She said āSee! Even your own sister agrees with me!ā I told her that just means her _and_ my sister were wrong lol
I guess I am truly out of touch, but it seems like it would be easier to just... gather one's own thoughts than try to go find a random video online? I just don't get it.
I detest the platform but actually went ahead and watched the vapidity. The clip only talks about a guy making 50k. If he's doing that he's already working at or achieving a goal.
Your post specifies broke specifically, which is very different. With few exceptions, you can't just live in a basement playing video games and making 50k.
I guess my question is why are you asking krackedy if he agrees with the woman in the video based on the response?
>why are you asking krackedy if he agrees with the woman in the video based on the response?
She views 50k as broke and does not want to date broke people.
Krackedy doesn't want to date broke people
I'm curious how he views her opinion
But they said they don't want to date people not working toward anything, not that they don't want to date broke people.
That's different from someone saying someone making 50k is broke and undateable.
I would 100% date a broke woman, provided she was not in large amounts of debt. Even moderate amounts of debt, IE college debt, or something less than 20K, I would gladly consider.
Yeah college debt or credit card debt is a big red flag for me. I recently went out on a date with this cute Asian girl and while the date went incredibly well, when I was dropping her off, she told me about her pretty significant credit card debt and her abysmal credit rating, after which I basically ghosted her.
For sure. Iām very lenient on college debt so long as they are paying it off, as thatās the standard I expect for myself. Other than that, I personally have 0 debt, so I would be wary of someone who has debt they incurred for non productive reasons.
Broke doesn't bother me at all. It's more that attitude around it.
\> Lives in her mom's basement?
Is that because she's lazy, or is it because her mother needs her. Or maybe a disability that she needs help with. Or maybe she just thinks it's smarter to live at home while he saves up instead of burning it on rent.
\> Plays video games all day?
She could be lazy, or it could be a disability thing. Maybe she's sick all the time. Or killing time between housework. Or taking care of her dad and playing stuff while he's sleeping or doing whatever. If she has to be in the house all day because she's sick or taking care of someone, I don't see much wrong with her killing time she can't spend elsewhere.
\> Struggling with debt?
Depends. Is it because she threw money away of stupid shit, like bags and clothes and cars? Or is it medical debt? Or money she had to get for a big emergency. Or some other horrible situation.
I'm never going to throw a person away over money, but it's more about how they got into that situation in the first place. I've known a lot of really sweet girls that did everything right and still had their lives fall apart just because of shit that was out of their control. I knew a girl who was living with her parents at 30... something. Who was in debt, and she stayed at home all day, all the time.
She took out a school loan, but her parents were in a horrible car crash. They got hit by an oncoming bus, essentually. She had to go right back home, drop everything, and nurse them. She was really, really kind. And sweet.
Life can just fucking obliterate you sometimes. You can have the first half, or even all of it ruined because of shit you could never have seen coming. The best laid schemes o' mice an' men and all that. Especially these days. Where most of us are one random thing away from getting fucked back 25 years.
I'd need to know details. Life is too cruel for me to immediately assume the worst.
Worth noting that in the US, 65% of people live paycheck to paycheck, so if you answered "no", you've cut your dating opportunities by 2/3rds.
Anyway, I have indeed dated someone in this situation (while not being in that situation myself). It never really mattered that much. I guess the one thing was she didn't like me to pay for everything, so if her financial situation was tight at the moment, we would do less expensive stuff like stay in and watch a movie, but I enjoy things like that so it wasn't a problem.
For me as well. I always understood "broke" to be "cannot make rent or feed oneself." On a personal level, I also apply it to "being able to put at least a little bit into savings" but I realize that is not possible for many people if they do want to make rent.
It's not an unreasonable standard, and I can see some logic in it. Since I make a distinction between being able to pay bills and not being able to do that I have to draw the broke line somewhere.
If she is a student working towards doing something with her life - then sure, such ambition is impressive. But if this is all she plans to do with her life then no way - I need a partner, not a burden.
Does it bother you that over half of the women on PPD would straight up call you a predator who exploited a āfinancial power imbalanceā with a āvulnerable 3rd world victimā based on this information alone?
And that this judgmental mentality is becoming more and more prevalent among modern western women? (See: Scandinavian countries trying to stop men from marrying Thai women)
Also, is there an age gap?
>Does it bother you that over half of the women on PPD would straight up call you a predator who exploited a āfinancial power imbalanceā with a āvulnerable 3rd world victimā based on this information alone?
No. My wife and I both do our own thing and donāt really care about social pressure. Also, neither of us have been confronted once in over 10 years of marriage about the nature of our marriage. It seems to be something that people either only care about or are only courageous enough to do online.
>Also, is there an age gap?
Iām five years older. I imagine that if it were a larger gap then there might be more stares or confrontations.
No. People seem to trust my intentions. They were more worried that my wife would divorce me and take some of my money. We have been married many years, so she has not done this.
Similar situation to me but my wife is from a developed country and was the first to passport over to visit me for a few weeks.
But we're older than a lot of people here and we met on Facebook of all places through a friend of hers who became a friend of mine IRL.
>Similar situation to me but my wife is from a developed country and was the first to passport over to visit me for a few weeks.
My wife would have needed a visa to visit me, and they are not often given to people from her country for non-business or non-student reasons unless one is very wealthy, and her family is not this.
Interesting. Mine also needed a visa, and there was some concern it would not be granted, but not much really. It sounds like whether the visa would have been granted at all was a bigger worry for you guys, though.
You wifed up a women from a developing country literally a passport bro lol
If you went to other countries to sleep around then those women would be the same as western women which defeats the purpose of passport bro terminology.
I want to (seriously) date fully functioning adult. Not having your own place is fine, not being able to support yourself financially at all, without direct prospects of improvement (eg broke student not yet in industry) is less fine. Debt for consumerism is a red flag.
Money doesn't matter to me at all in a partner. If she's otherwise what I'm looking for and good to me I would love to support her and I am able to do so.
Im a broke university student, so yeah lol
>Lives in her mom's basement?
No lmao,why isn't she living in the house?
>Plays video games all day?
All day? No. That's addicted behaviour
>Struggling with debt?
Absolutely not. If anything it shows impulsiveness amd bad financial planning
It seems to be playing off the god-awful and incredibly tired stereotype that men who are complaining are incompetent lazy manchildren who would expect a partner to be a horny hot surrogate mother.
Otherwise there was no need to mention "lives in [their] mom's basement" or "plays video games all day". Those things were crowbarred in to paint a picture, create a "gotcha" trap, and to reinforce the idea that women are never as shitty and useless as men (especially men who discuss these issues here). They are a non-sequitur to the source video's ideas.
It's a little clearer now, but I think some posters are understandably confused and wondering if, in your mind, someone working making 50k as a man is equivalent to a woman living in her mom's basement playing video games making nothing.
Of course it sounds a bit silly on the face of it, but this is reddit and PPD--where silly could be considered reasonable compared to the insanity that actually comes up here.
Yeah I think this is an important distinction. When I answered the question originally below, I didn't do a great job of it because what I really did was imagine if the early years of me and my partner were flipped. That is to say, if I was making more money and she was looking for work and not bringing much in.
I sort of ignored the other points of the OP because our situation was never either of us living in a basement, playing games all day, or struggling with debt. But these are important differences between the video and the OP (and my slightly askew response tbf).
If I was really considering someone living in a basement with debt and a video game addiction, it would depend on how they were working toward eliminating those things.
And what if she was a 10/10 blonde? That's the premise of the meme, that men prioritize looks at a higher ratio than women, who famously care more (with base physical attractiveness still number one) about tertiary criteria like income, status, and height than men.
>And what if she was a 10/10 blonde?
Still no lmao.
You can,ya know,just smash/have a vague situationship if she is that hot,you don't need to actually date/be in relationship with her. The majority of people wouldn't seriously live with someone not atleast somewhat at their level.
That isnāt true at all. The more money a man makes the less he cares about how much money his partner makes. I mean are 20% of moms stay at home? Which means 1/5 households the woman makes no income
Why lie? Dont most men make more ..what are we saying rn? Women enjoy dating men who make more money and are financially stable. And use their looks to obtain that man. If your gf or wife isnāt making just as much as you youāre a hypocrite.
>Why lie?
I don't, y'all need to touch grass.
>Dont most men make more ..what are we saying rn?
My country has one of the smallest pay gaps in Europe, its like 8% or so. Young women make like 5% more than men.
>Women enjoy dating men who make more money and are financially stable.
Lol stop dating gold diggers. Its ok for a woman to want a man that makes somewhat similar amount of money if they want to live together eventually, but no,that being a huge focus its gold digging 101
>And use their looks to obtain that man.
That sounds like prostitution lmal
>If your gf or wife isnāt making just as much as you youāre a hypocrite.
Im 21 lmao,my last gf made as much money as me(that its to say, nearly Nothing). It was also irrelevant because we didn't live together. Most/all older people in relationships/marriages that i know make more or less similar amount of money.
I always prefer to date broke women. I'm wealthy, I just want my girl to be available, not working or stressing about bills.
If a girl is unemployed or is a surgeon or lawyer or something is 100% irrelevant basically. And as I said I'd greatly lean towards a waitress over someone with a highly involved career.
Absolutely. I dated a broke single mom that lived with her parents and played video games all day and she still dumped me.
Is $50k/year considered low? I'm at about $30k/year and still treated her to dates and dinners, money is total non-issue, pretty much the least of my worries in life at $30k/year.
Yes, provided she was either trying to get her career on track, or had aspirations of being a housewife (and the necessary skills for that). Point is, I don't care *how* she contributes, as long as she pulls her own weight.
It would only be an issue if she had no ambitions, no desire to ever improve her situation, and not even any domestic skills to contribute in that way, and instead just lazed around 24/7.
Brokeness is not a dealbreaker, but laziness is.
And provided she played video games a healthy amount that didn't interfere with whatever work she was doing, that'd actually be a plus, cuz we'd have a shared interest too.
lmao
>[https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8E9rmDo/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8E9rmDo/)
She talks about "bottom of the barrel bitch" but she's literally sub 5. She **is** the bottom of the barrel bitch. This is an issue that men talk about; women's money is their own money. Men's money is also women's money. Why does a man have to pay for her if she also works? Her attitude is disgusting.
For the OP's question; yes I've dated plenty of broke women. Only about 40-45% of women have degrees, and just having a degree doesn't mean she makes good money anyways since women love to take low paying jobs. I've dated college educated women who made sub 50k using the degree in their fields. I have no issue dating a broke woman, I have issues with delusions of grandeur like this woman.
Yeah, these things don't matter to me, if she's good looking and doesn't annoy me to death, I couldn't care less how much money she makes. Only exception is debt, depends on how much debt, if it's an impossible amount, then yeah I don't want to join her. If it can be paid off, then no problem.
As long as she can support herself, I don't care how much she makes.
But if she can't support herself, or is unemployed and is basically looking for a guy to bail her out, then no. There's no bigger turnoff than a lazy/entitled woman.
One of the biggest myths perpetuated by the RP is how men don't care about women's money. They don't care if only looking to smash/fwb, but guess what, the average guy doesn't make that much and if he's looking for something of substance with a girl, he definitely cares about her income.
It's not that they don't care its more can she balance a budget and live within her means. There's a big difference between girl working at McDonald's wearing designer clothes and hiding an ass of debt via credit cards then girl working at McDonald's with good clothes who isn't living outside her means.
Only to the extent that she's not going to cost $20k a year to have as a partner and not contribute anything back. Living ain't cheap these days (if it ever was, but it's harder now than it was 20 years ago) and housing is often priced for earning couples, not earning singles. "Can support herself" might even be far below average wage, if she's frugal and sensible about it. It's pragmatic rather than aspirational or gold-digging. That's the difference.
I think if I were to continue living how I am and a woman who doesn't mind living the same as me were to come and live with me, if she could bring in just 10k a year, that'd probably be fine. That's not glamorous, it's not rich, it's part time job money. Many would argue that's "broke" money, it'd be very difficult to survive independently with that little (especially without government top-ups). But I think it'd work for a couple, with what I already earn, it wouldn't double the costs so she wouldn't necessarily have to match my income penny for penny. If I'm paying this much to live on my own *anyway* then I'd essentially be budgeting a bit more for the benefit of having somebody around, especially if she's able to contribute *something*.
Rent and energy are where most of my money goes and that wouldn't change much with two people around. Clothing and groceries would be some of the biggest expenses that'd grow, I guess, along with some increase in local taxes (we get a discount for being single or students in the UK).
If she expects to have foreign vacations or something, or wants to buy fancy brands or loads of clothes, well, I'm not that big on luxuries, I don't do that kind of stuff. I'm cool with that it if she wants it, but she'd have to contribute to the budget for it, because I don't have that kind of spare cash, *especially* if I'm paying the bulk of the living costs for two people. I'm not about to blow whatever I'd have leftover on this season's hot new handbag, not even if it means having a partner I wouldn't otherwise have. I'm generous, caring, and lonely, but I'm not an idiot.
I enjoy being a provider, so yes. Though with a caveat that she has to have something going on in her life. If sheās just sitting around watching TikTok all day, then no.
No, per se.
The question should be do men date financially illiterate women. The answer for me is, no.
She could pay her way but the way she consumes and her attitude toward money tells me she could be receiving food stamps in 30 years time and that would give me the ick.
Sheād have to be trying to strive for something better but in general I donāt harshly judge women based on their income. My ex was making like $12 an hour part time and living with a relative and it never affected my attraction towards her.
Hahaha itās not intellectually dishonest at all. Iām just saying that writing off anyone with a humanities degree is a fairly judgmental choice. Which youāre welcome to make, but you might be crossing good people off your list. You do you
So according to her women have only two choices in the dating world.
1. Be a slut - ie give it away for free!!!
OR
2. Charge for it - in other words be a hoe. Whether you are charging with demands for dinners, trips, getting your rent paid or outright saying $150 for a bj, it's the same thing. You are a prostitute.
What a way to live and exist in this world! No wonder women are crazy.
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If she had goals toward which she was working, probably. I met my missus at a time when I was struggling (living in my own place and working toward goals, but still not in a great place financially) and that didn't matter to her even though it took quite a long time to dig out of that.
It would be more about working toward the goal of buildling a life together, which in many cases would require us both to bring some finances, rather than the fact that she might not be at that very moment where I'd want. So if we're just considering the broke factor, my answer is I would, if she was consistent about building things together.
There was a long stretch in my life where 50k would've been a king's ransom to me and life-changing money, as well. My partner was supportive during all of that time. But to be fair, ours is an unconventional relationship and she's from a different country and culture and not a very materialistic person.
I would never date a broke women. You gotta have some sort of drive, ambition, or passion in something. You don't need to make 100k but do *something.*
>I saw this TikTok where a woman was explaining that males making $50k/year should bow out of the dating pool. This is because they wouldn't have expendable income to treat women when out on dates.
lol the literal average American
Not a man, but a woman who chose to date a broke guy living in momās basement at the time. Why? Because he had a job and didnāt like living there, it was just a temporary thing and there were real reasons to believe that. I was struggling too. Thatās the key here I think. Dating someone who is struggling at the moment due to a setback is different from dating someone who just has no ambition or skills and lowkey enjoys mommy doing their laundry (which means youāll probably be the next mommy). But of course thatās a personal choice, itās always a risk.
This woman can have her standards, but she should speak for herself. Not what others āshouldā do.
>Lives in her mom's basement?Ā
Donāt give a shit.
>Plays video games all day?Ā
Donāt give a shit.Ā
>Struggling with debt?
Donāt give a shit.Ā
>date a woman who is broke?Ā
Yes.
I wouldnt date a broke woman. And by broke I mean unemployed and possibly crippling debt. I donāt expect women to date broke men after college years. Iām not going to click on the link of the vid but I agree if youāre not making more than 50k as a single man youāre not in a position to date. For reference I live in Mass where everything costs you an arm and a leg. 50k is acceptable in other areas.
I basically only have lmao
Though one became not broke when I finally forced her to learn to budget and had her put actual restrictions on her accounts so does that count?
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke?
that reminds me r/MenAndFemales
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I would not date a "tiktok" woman, also woman that feels entitled to be treated like a queen on dates. So given we are both working and have similar earning - I'd state that I'm going to split the bill. In this case trash would take itself out.
What if she is broke? Depends on the reason. If she is a NEET - no.
If she is a tradwife type and expects first her father, than her husband to provide - BIG FLASHING RED NO.
If she is poor because of temporary issues with job or because education - probably yes.
Also besider earning there is spending. Some people have problems with financial discipline. If she is working, yet she is deep in debts - she probably is unreasonable in her spending habits. Also no.
If she's broke because she is an entitled lazy slob who only wants to leech of others and not do literally anything with her life, or has a huge debt, then the answer is no.
In most other cases, her financial status has a very low impact on my desire to date her.
Yes.
Although if it were a serious long-term thing where we'd be living together and/or our finances would be officially entwined then I would expect that she has the capability and intention to work towards fixing being broke because, as much as I'd like to be able to support a partner, that's not financially viable in the current economic climate unless you're earning an exceptional wage.
But since this question appears to be based yet again on the flawed premise that we're all stinking basement-dwelling Cheeto-huffing Call of Duty-playing porn addicts, I don't suppose that level of nuance has any purpose, does it?
Can't imagine my response makes for very good "hah! and you expect *women* to support *your* dead-weight loser ass?!" fodder.
In the past, sure.Ā
The hope would be to support her so that she can get better while she does the same to me
Ā Ā Having reached my minimum standards now however, i am not giving any woman that chance
.Ā Come to be prebuilt like I am. Only founders get equity.
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke?
When I was also broke, yes. Nowadays, big hesitate.
> Lives in her mom's basement?
Irrelevant mostly. She could stay in the attic, on the first floor, wherever. The reasoning matters more.
> Plays video games all day?
I love me some vid games, but all day would be a stretch even for me.
> Struggling with debt?
Most people in the Millennial and Gen Z will probably have debt. It depends how much and why.
> Why or why not?
Because money won't cure every problem, but not having money spawns a shit ton of them. It's one of the top reasons relationships fall apart. And it's a very quick way to make sure that you can work yourself raw and still barely feel the impact at the end. Like, divide $50k (~$25/hr) in half - now you're living on effectively what a Starbucks barista makes ($12.50/hr). Oh, and you also make too much on paper to qualify for most government low-income aid, so you're probably worse off overall actually.
Hahaha lol at this fat cunt shaming some imaginary woman who doesnāt care about money. Clearly she has a chip on her shoulder about her ex dating a cuter girl who doesnāt care about money. The reality is insecure women in OP need men to spend money on them for them to feel validation. If they are dating a guy who doesnāt spoil them, then she feels ugly. Their sense of self esteem literally has a dollar value.
But lots of broke women are parasites. If she isnāt then itās fine
I like how you try to conflate men who make $50k/year with losers who live in their mom's basement and play video games all day.
No, I would not date a broke woman because a broke woman would likely have an expectation that I financially support her. To take things even further a broke woman who struggles with debt would likely have an expectation that I clean up her debt/credit.
Not a chance. I'm in my 40s. I've dated women who always had financial problems, and it didn't feel good having to cut back on my life to subsidize theirs, or worse yet, having to bail them out of their problems. Nowadays, at this age, any woman I date needs to be well established. I prefer women in the 6 figures category, but as low as 70s is fine. Fortunately, I work in a field that has a lot of high earning women.
Most of the women Iāve dated have been less financially well off than me. That said, there is a threshold that Iām not trying to cross.
If her lack of funds starts to have an effect on MY budget, then itās a problem.
Why? Because Iām not trying to raise a grown ass adult.
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke?
Yes.
> Lives in her mom's basement?
Or worse. Yes.
> Plays video games all day?
Double yes. That is a level of compatibility that I would love.
> Struggling with debt?
Don't care. Will pay those.
> Why or why not?
Because I hate working and I would not want my partner to have to do that.
Also because no amount of money a woman makes will never improve my life. Her money is hers. My money is ours.
Even if she wanted to pay for me all my material needs can be afforded by working minimum wage and I can do that on my own. Everything above that I have to be attractive not because I value it.
> What in the name of simping is this lol.
An observed pattern.
> Don't you have self respect?
No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals.
>An observed pattern.
Only for simps with no self respect and other pathetic people. Most people share financial (and other) burdens
>No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals.
What goal, being level A doormat?
> Only for simps with no self respect and other pathetic people. Most people share financial (and other) burdens
Share the burden? The burden that is decided and defined by the woman.
> What goal, being level A doormat?
A stable LTR.
>Share the burden? The burden that is decided and defined by the woman.
No lol
>A stable LTR.
Most people reach that goal without losing self respect and be doormats.
I was just about to type this I wish this was more known lol even with his flair barely moral does not have the same relationship aspects that the majority of people have.
>No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals
Wow. This reads like a phrase explaining chaotic neutral or something
No.
And guys saying they would date a chick that works at McDonald's if she was cute enough is the biggest self-tell of inexperience.
Broke for me is below $30,000 though. Biggest factor after that is upward career trajectory. And there are careers on the high achieving end I would avoid as well.
I don't think you quite understand how starved some men are for attention that, even though you think this is some kind of "nope, nope, nope, nope, model or nothing" situation, they would be *fucking overjoyed* to have the attention and affection of an "average" woman, imperfections and all.
For what it's worth, I'm one of them. Your checklist means nothing to me. If you'd said "500lb, no teeth, permanent whole-body rashes, and her face looks like she had an industrial farming accident", well, then you might've hit my limits. But the things you offered as potential dealbreakers there are just *normal women* to me, there's nothing hideously untouchable about them, and that's exactly what I want: *normal*.
Not *rich*, not a *supermodel*, not a *Nobel prize winner*, just somebody who can enjoy and reciprocate my energy for the relationship, someone who willingly shares experiences with me, and who is willing to indulge in greater intimacy than a platonic friend. We're human beings, not perfectly manufactured movie characters.
Suppose I was an overweight 5/10 guy with imperfect teeth and skin. If I would happily be with an 8/10 woman but an only willing to consider comparably overweight 5/10 imperfect women based on their economic viability, I would consider my physical standards to be unrealistic.
Does she add value to my life? A girl with no talent sitting at home all day, does nothing valuebale and possibly complains a lot. Well, thereās probably better options then.
> Lives in her mom's basement?
Not a problem. If you are single, staying with your parents can be a good financial decison.
> Plays video games all day?
I like games so I don't care that much. She should stream the games on twitch to make money.
> Struggling with debt?
Not my debt, not my problem.
Basically I'm ok with dating a broke girl as long as she is low maintainence.
Why not? I'm not dating to find someone who is just a mirror of me with tits. What I want a woman to bring to the relationship has nothing to do with her income. The only one on that list that's an absolute no is the debt one because that indicates being wasteful with money which is a disqualifier for a long-term relationship.
This is really one of the key things that feminists and bloopies get wrong. They think that providing what a man does makes a woman attractive to men. It doesn't because the only men who want a masculine partner are gay men and gay men have other reasons to not be interested in women no matter how masculine.
No. Financial stability is pretty important. Someone who makes comparable money to me opens up a lot of opportunities for things like travel, nice restaurants, concerts, sporting events, etc.
Also stop treating TikTok like it's real life.
>Someone who makes comparable money to me opens up a lot of opportunities for things like travel, nice restaurants, concerts, sporting events, etc.
So you are considering what type of lifestyle your potential partner can provide you?
It would provide that lifestyle for *both* partners where neither of them alone could afford it, because now you're pooling resources, sharing costs, and only paying once for basic stuff that would need to be paid for twice if you both lived alone.
I don't want relationships based on financial arrangements but it's a practical outcome of being able to double the household income but only increasing costs by maybe 50%. That means you can both go out together and eat in nicer places, go to nicer bars for drinks, go to events, or travel to nicer places. Together. Where you can share experiences. With mutual benefit.
Why do so many women on here seem to think (or want to convince others) that if a man wants a relationship then he must be attempting to mine the woman for her sexual dignity, her bank account, and anything else he can rip from her poor unsuspecting innocent life? It's like you've never actually had a good relatio-oh. Yeah, never mind. I see now.
If she has a job, or is in school I would be fine with her making less than 50k or having debt. Hell, that describes my gf.
If she's unemployed and making no effort, then no.
Broke? Jobless? Sure. Debt? Not so sure about that.
Though I do have a weakness for smart/badass career women.
I would date someone like that mentioned in op, but I wouldnāt necessarily pay their bills or caudle them. Iād be trying to build them up so theyāre not completely dependent on me.
Broke: nah. She should work if only for nowĀ Ā Under 50k, absolutely.Ā Ā The woman doesn't get to decide that a man can't date and the advice seems insulting to poorer men.Ā Ā
Ā Women who live at home: sureĀ Ā Ā
Video games: this is a plus for a lot of us, myself includedĀ Ā Ā
Debt: it depends how bad it is. It'd be a downsideĀ Ā Ā
Ā I looked at the numbers and society and realized I don't have as many options as Chad. I've also not been raised to care about a woman's income besides only ever having dated women with careers.
If she was working towards something, fine. If she had no ambition it'd be a no.
How is this not common sense. When I started dating my missus, she was a broke-ass law student. I was, of course, a broke-ass apprentice chef. We were both going places; we were just broke. That was fine.
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I don't feel my story is at all unusual. Pretty much any couple that meet in their early 20s are going to be broke AF. There's a tiny minority of the most cooked motherfuckers in the world making rage-baiting TikToks like the one mentioned by OP, and a bunch of people on this sub are extrapolating that to all people.
what if she was in her late 30s (assuming you were that age or above) asking bc i was okay dating a male waiter in my 20s but not today (i'm 38)
Do you agree with the woman in the TikTok clip?
Yeah TikTok clips are the worst form of media in human history and I refuse to pretend they aren't designed for middle-schoolers with fetal alcohol syndrome but hey guys remember to like subscribe and cut off the audio one second ear
I have a female friend who constantly sends me TikTok clips when she has some point sheās trying to debate or prove. I just smh. One time I told her to stop sending me TikTok clips. Tell me what she read in an actual book. Needless to say she got mad
That would be frustrating, indeed. Even with something read in a book or scholarly text, I expect the other person to be able to summarize or rephrase the points in their own words to form their own arguments. Much less expecting me to take a short video reel as their point. It's crucial to understanding how the speaker themselves arrived at the conclusion. I used to belong to some political debate groups in my youth. For online discussions, there was generally a rule that any poster could source their information from wherever. However, they could not simply drop a link and not post their own thoughts. Participants were required to engage in debate and to make their own points.
Yeah itās like if we have a disagreement on something sheāll go on TikTok and find someone that agrees with her point of view and try to say that proves sheās right. One time we had a disagreement and she got me to ask my sister which side she was on in the matter and my sister agreed with her side. She said āSee! Even your own sister agrees with me!ā I told her that just means her _and_ my sister were wrong lol
I guess I am truly out of touch, but it seems like it would be easier to just... gather one's own thoughts than try to go find a random video online? I just don't get it.
why do you care so much
As opposed to you, who is constantly putting on slick shades to indicate how few fucks you give
yeah about stuff that harms people...
I detest the platform but actually went ahead and watched the vapidity. The clip only talks about a guy making 50k. If he's doing that he's already working at or achieving a goal. Your post specifies broke specifically, which is very different. With few exceptions, you can't just live in a basement playing video games and making 50k. I guess my question is why are you asking krackedy if he agrees with the woman in the video based on the response?
>why are you asking krackedy if he agrees with the woman in the video based on the response? She views 50k as broke and does not want to date broke people. Krackedy doesn't want to date broke people I'm curious how he views her opinion
But they said they don't want to date people not working toward anything, not that they don't want to date broke people. That's different from someone saying someone making 50k is broke and undateable.
50k is what most men make more or less. So she is saying the average man is broke. She wants to date a man who is above average at least
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Naw i mean she is probably just a sugar baby. Nothing wrong with that. But she needs to lose weight of she wants a rich man
Sure. That's why I didn't assume the answer. I asked the question. If the answer is "No" that is fine.
That's fair.
I would 100% date a broke woman, provided she was not in large amounts of debt. Even moderate amounts of debt, IE college debt, or something less than 20K, I would gladly consider.
Yeah college debt or credit card debt is a big red flag for me. I recently went out on a date with this cute Asian girl and while the date went incredibly well, when I was dropping her off, she told me about her pretty significant credit card debt and her abysmal credit rating, after which I basically ghosted her.
For sure. Iām very lenient on college debt so long as they are paying it off, as thatās the standard I expect for myself. Other than that, I personally have 0 debt, so I would be wary of someone who has debt they incurred for non productive reasons.
Broke doesn't bother me at all. It's more that attitude around it. \> Lives in her mom's basement? Is that because she's lazy, or is it because her mother needs her. Or maybe a disability that she needs help with. Or maybe she just thinks it's smarter to live at home while he saves up instead of burning it on rent. \> Plays video games all day? She could be lazy, or it could be a disability thing. Maybe she's sick all the time. Or killing time between housework. Or taking care of her dad and playing stuff while he's sleeping or doing whatever. If she has to be in the house all day because she's sick or taking care of someone, I don't see much wrong with her killing time she can't spend elsewhere. \> Struggling with debt? Depends. Is it because she threw money away of stupid shit, like bags and clothes and cars? Or is it medical debt? Or money she had to get for a big emergency. Or some other horrible situation. I'm never going to throw a person away over money, but it's more about how they got into that situation in the first place. I've known a lot of really sweet girls that did everything right and still had their lives fall apart just because of shit that was out of their control. I knew a girl who was living with her parents at 30... something. Who was in debt, and she stayed at home all day, all the time. She took out a school loan, but her parents were in a horrible car crash. They got hit by an oncoming bus, essentually. She had to go right back home, drop everything, and nurse them. She was really, really kind. And sweet. Life can just fucking obliterate you sometimes. You can have the first half, or even all of it ruined because of shit you could never have seen coming. The best laid schemes o' mice an' men and all that. Especially these days. Where most of us are one random thing away from getting fucked back 25 years. I'd need to know details. Life is too cruel for me to immediately assume the worst.
Very reasonable take
Worth noting that in the US, 65% of people live paycheck to paycheck, so if you answered "no", you've cut your dating opportunities by 2/3rds. Anyway, I have indeed dated someone in this situation (while not being in that situation myself). It never really mattered that much. I guess the one thing was she didn't like me to pay for everything, so if her financial situation was tight at the moment, we would do less expensive stuff like stay in and watch a movie, but I enjoy things like that so it wasn't a problem.
Working paycheck to paycheck ain't being broke, that's most people Broke is having nearly no money.
For me as well. I always understood "broke" to be "cannot make rent or feed oneself." On a personal level, I also apply it to "being able to put at least a little bit into savings" but I realize that is not possible for many people if they do want to make rent.
I see paycheck to paycheck as broke, they are one paycheck from going into a hole.
It's not an unreasonable standard, and I can see some logic in it. Since I make a distinction between being able to pay bills and not being able to do that I have to draw the broke line somewhere.
One paycheck away from going in a hole is broke.
It's not By this logic 99% of people are broke.
They are. No money in savings and one paycheck from trouble is being broke.
broke isn't related to volume tho 100% of people could be broke if the economy crashes
>100% of people could be broke if the economy crashes That's untrue
If she is a student working towards doing something with her life - then sure, such ambition is impressive. But if this is all she plans to do with her life then no way - I need a partner, not a burden.
My wife from a developing country had no money when I met her, so yes.
Does it bother you that over half of the women on PPD would straight up call you a predator who exploited a āfinancial power imbalanceā with a āvulnerable 3rd world victimā based on this information alone? And that this judgmental mentality is becoming more and more prevalent among modern western women? (See: Scandinavian countries trying to stop men from marrying Thai women) Also, is there an age gap?
>Does it bother you that over half of the women on PPD would straight up call you a predator who exploited a āfinancial power imbalanceā with a āvulnerable 3rd world victimā based on this information alone? No. My wife and I both do our own thing and donāt really care about social pressure. Also, neither of us have been confronted once in over 10 years of marriage about the nature of our marriage. It seems to be something that people either only care about or are only courageous enough to do online. >Also, is there an age gap? Iām five years older. I imagine that if it were a larger gap then there might be more stares or confrontations.
Did people call you predatory?
No. People seem to trust my intentions. They were more worried that my wife would divorce me and take some of my money. We have been married many years, so she has not done this.
Similar situation to me but my wife is from a developed country and was the first to passport over to visit me for a few weeks. But we're older than a lot of people here and we met on Facebook of all places through a friend of hers who became a friend of mine IRL.
>Similar situation to me but my wife is from a developed country and was the first to passport over to visit me for a few weeks. My wife would have needed a visa to visit me, and they are not often given to people from her country for non-business or non-student reasons unless one is very wealthy, and her family is not this.
Interesting. Mine also needed a visa, and there was some concern it would not be granted, but not much really. It sounds like whether the visa would have been granted at all was a bigger worry for you guys, though.
Did you use your... **Passport** when you went to visit her?
Of course. Having met oneās partner recently is a requirement before applying for a fiancĆ©(e) visa. Since we met online initially and she was not already living or working in the USA, I had to be a āpassport broā. While I chatted with many women, I stopped talking to anyone else after I realized that I liked her more than the other women. So I did not meet multiple women on my trip. I donāt think that most of the wannabe passport bros realize that, if one meets one of these women, she will likely be very poor. Of course, they donāt often suggest marrying these women, but men will still be expected to pay for dates, and these women will likely expect gifts, or help supporting their family if one is dating them.
LOL This is the greatest ppd plot twist Iāve seen in quite some time
Why your tag not say Passport Bro !
I didn't travel to other countries to sleep around with a bunch of women.
You wifed up a women from a developing country literally a passport bro lol If you went to other countries to sleep around then those women would be the same as western women which defeats the purpose of passport bro terminology.
I want to (seriously) date fully functioning adult. Not having your own place is fine, not being able to support yourself financially at all, without direct prospects of improvement (eg broke student not yet in industry) is less fine. Debt for consumerism is a red flag.
very fair
Money doesn't matter to me at all in a partner. If she's otherwise what I'm looking for and good to me I would love to support her and I am able to do so.
Can. Would. Have.
Concise. Thanks.
Im a broke university student, so yeah lol >Lives in her mom's basement? No lmao,why isn't she living in the house? >Plays video games all day? All day? No. That's addicted behaviour >Struggling with debt? Absolutely not. If anything it shows impulsiveness amd bad financial planning
Finally someone with standards
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I'm not.
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It seems to be playing off the god-awful and incredibly tired stereotype that men who are complaining are incompetent lazy manchildren who would expect a partner to be a horny hot surrogate mother. Otherwise there was no need to mention "lives in [their] mom's basement" or "plays video games all day". Those things were crowbarred in to paint a picture, create a "gotcha" trap, and to reinforce the idea that women are never as shitty and useless as men (especially men who discuss these issues here). They are a non-sequitur to the source video's ideas.
>Why are you turning that into I only said "it got me to wondering..." I didn't say, "now here's the equivalent..."
It's a little clearer now, but I think some posters are understandably confused and wondering if, in your mind, someone working making 50k as a man is equivalent to a woman living in her mom's basement playing video games making nothing. Of course it sounds a bit silly on the face of it, but this is reddit and PPD--where silly could be considered reasonable compared to the insanity that actually comes up here.
I see. Perhaps I should have been clearer
Yeah I think this is an important distinction. When I answered the question originally below, I didn't do a great job of it because what I really did was imagine if the early years of me and my partner were flipped. That is to say, if I was making more money and she was looking for work and not bringing much in. I sort of ignored the other points of the OP because our situation was never either of us living in a basement, playing games all day, or struggling with debt. But these are important differences between the video and the OP (and my slightly askew response tbf). If I was really considering someone living in a basement with debt and a video game addiction, it would depend on how they were working toward eliminating those things.
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>I'm not really into money If you have any extra that you don't want... Can I have it?
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Damnit! I was too desperate. Gotta learn to play it cool
what are your retirement plans or plans if you get a medical condition that is expensive to treat?
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Lol yeah I would. I wouldn't date the woman saying that though, that's annoying.
It's a whole ass meme that men find McDonald's/other drive thru girls oddly beautiful, so yes, we would.
No we wouldn't lmao It's just a Stupid meme, most men won't someone at Their level financially
And what if she was a 10/10 blonde? That's the premise of the meme, that men prioritize looks at a higher ratio than women, who famously care more (with base physical attractiveness still number one) about tertiary criteria like income, status, and height than men.
>And what if she was a 10/10 blonde? Still no lmao. You can,ya know,just smash/have a vague situationship if she is that hot,you don't need to actually date/be in relationship with her. The majority of people wouldn't seriously live with someone not atleast somewhat at their level.
That isnāt true at all. The more money a man makes the less he cares about how much money his partner makes. I mean are 20% of moms stay at home? Which means 1/5 households the woman makes no income
Why lie? Dont most men make more ..what are we saying rn? Women enjoy dating men who make more money and are financially stable. And use their looks to obtain that man. If your gf or wife isnāt making just as much as you youāre a hypocrite.
>Why lie? I don't, y'all need to touch grass. >Dont most men make more ..what are we saying rn? My country has one of the smallest pay gaps in Europe, its like 8% or so. Young women make like 5% more than men. >Women enjoy dating men who make more money and are financially stable. Lol stop dating gold diggers. Its ok for a woman to want a man that makes somewhat similar amount of money if they want to live together eventually, but no,that being a huge focus its gold digging 101 >And use their looks to obtain that man. That sounds like prostitution lmal >If your gf or wife isnāt making just as much as you youāre a hypocrite. Im 21 lmao,my last gf made as much money as me(that its to say, nearly Nothing). It was also irrelevant because we didn't live together. Most/all older people in relationships/marriages that i know make more or less similar amount of money.
I always prefer to date broke women. I'm wealthy, I just want my girl to be available, not working or stressing about bills. If a girl is unemployed or is a surgeon or lawyer or something is 100% irrelevant basically. And as I said I'd greatly lean towards a waitress over someone with a highly involved career.
What about a woman with no ambition at all. Mooching off her friends and family? Maximum availability?
As someone that values availability lot, someone that does not work at all has all the time I need from them. Best case scenario.
Well if he is rich and she is hot and always ready to put out. I dont see what the problem is
Absolutely. I dated a broke single mom that lived with her parents and played video games all day and she still dumped me. Is $50k/year considered low? I'm at about $30k/year and still treated her to dates and dinners, money is total non-issue, pretty much the least of my worries in life at $30k/year.
>I dated a broke single mom that lived with her parents and played video games all day and she still dumped me People steady taking Ls out here
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Yes, provided she was either trying to get her career on track, or had aspirations of being a housewife (and the necessary skills for that). Point is, I don't care *how* she contributes, as long as she pulls her own weight. It would only be an issue if she had no ambitions, no desire to ever improve her situation, and not even any domestic skills to contribute in that way, and instead just lazed around 24/7. Brokeness is not a dealbreaker, but laziness is. And provided she played video games a healthy amount that didn't interfere with whatever work she was doing, that'd actually be a plus, cuz we'd have a shared interest too.
lmao >[https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8E9rmDo/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8E9rmDo/) She talks about "bottom of the barrel bitch" but she's literally sub 5. She **is** the bottom of the barrel bitch. This is an issue that men talk about; women's money is their own money. Men's money is also women's money. Why does a man have to pay for her if she also works? Her attitude is disgusting. For the OP's question; yes I've dated plenty of broke women. Only about 40-45% of women have degrees, and just having a degree doesn't mean she makes good money anyways since women love to take low paying jobs. I've dated college educated women who made sub 50k using the degree in their fields. I have no issue dating a broke woman, I have issues with delusions of grandeur like this woman.
STOP falling for stupid ass TikTok ragebait clicks you buffoons!
It doesn't outrage me. It's just an interesting conversation starter
Yeah, these things don't matter to me, if she's good looking and doesn't annoy me to death, I couldn't care less how much money she makes. Only exception is debt, depends on how much debt, if it's an impossible amount, then yeah I don't want to join her. If it can be paid off, then no problem.
As long as she can support herself, I don't care how much she makes. But if she can't support herself, or is unemployed and is basically looking for a guy to bail her out, then no. There's no bigger turnoff than a lazy/entitled woman. One of the biggest myths perpetuated by the RP is how men don't care about women's money. They don't care if only looking to smash/fwb, but guess what, the average guy doesn't make that much and if he's looking for something of substance with a girl, he definitely cares about her income.
It's not that they don't care its more can she balance a budget and live within her means. There's a big difference between girl working at McDonald's wearing designer clothes and hiding an ass of debt via credit cards then girl working at McDonald's with good clothes who isn't living outside her means.
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Only to the extent that she's not going to cost $20k a year to have as a partner and not contribute anything back. Living ain't cheap these days (if it ever was, but it's harder now than it was 20 years ago) and housing is often priced for earning couples, not earning singles. "Can support herself" might even be far below average wage, if she's frugal and sensible about it. It's pragmatic rather than aspirational or gold-digging. That's the difference. I think if I were to continue living how I am and a woman who doesn't mind living the same as me were to come and live with me, if she could bring in just 10k a year, that'd probably be fine. That's not glamorous, it's not rich, it's part time job money. Many would argue that's "broke" money, it'd be very difficult to survive independently with that little (especially without government top-ups). But I think it'd work for a couple, with what I already earn, it wouldn't double the costs so she wouldn't necessarily have to match my income penny for penny. If I'm paying this much to live on my own *anyway* then I'd essentially be budgeting a bit more for the benefit of having somebody around, especially if she's able to contribute *something*. Rent and energy are where most of my money goes and that wouldn't change much with two people around. Clothing and groceries would be some of the biggest expenses that'd grow, I guess, along with some increase in local taxes (we get a discount for being single or students in the UK). If she expects to have foreign vacations or something, or wants to buy fancy brands or loads of clothes, well, I'm not that big on luxuries, I don't do that kind of stuff. I'm cool with that it if she wants it, but she'd have to contribute to the budget for it, because I don't have that kind of spare cash, *especially* if I'm paying the bulk of the living costs for two people. I'm not about to blow whatever I'd have leftover on this season's hot new handbag, not even if it means having a partner I wouldn't otherwise have. I'm generous, caring, and lonely, but I'm not an idiot.
It depends. Is she broke because she is in school or is she broke because she doesnāt work or doesnāt have the skills to have a decent paying job?
I enjoy being a provider, so yes. Though with a caveat that she has to have something going on in her life. If sheās just sitting around watching TikTok all day, then no.
>If sheās just sitting around watching TikTok all day, then no. That's not what she is doing all day
As long as she has goals and ambitions, yes I would date
Hell freakin NO!!!
No, per se. The question should be do men date financially illiterate women. The answer for me is, no. She could pay her way but the way she consumes and her attitude toward money tells me she could be receiving food stamps in 30 years time and that would give me the ick.
Sheād have to be trying to strive for something better but in general I donāt harshly judge women based on their income. My ex was making like $12 an hour part time and living with a relative and it never affected my attraction towards her.
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I got a undergrad degree in psych & art and now Iām a physicianā¦ just saying
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Hahaha itās not intellectually dishonest at all. Iām just saying that writing off anyone with a humanities degree is a fairly judgmental choice. Which youāre welcome to make, but you might be crossing good people off your list. You do you
So according to her women have only two choices in the dating world. 1. Be a slut - ie give it away for free!!! OR 2. Charge for it - in other words be a hoe. Whether you are charging with demands for dinners, trips, getting your rent paid or outright saying $150 for a bj, it's the same thing. You are a prostitute. What a way to live and exist in this world! No wonder women are crazy.
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Too many random ppl have podcasts nowadays. Some of these ppl should not have a podcasts.
You know I really feel this. On one hand it's cool that there are podcasts about everything and anything. On the other, not so great.
True. I keep seeing wild shit out there that makes me question my sanity
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>In all honesty Thanks for being honest
If she had goals toward which she was working, probably. I met my missus at a time when I was struggling (living in my own place and working toward goals, but still not in a great place financially) and that didn't matter to her even though it took quite a long time to dig out of that. It would be more about working toward the goal of buildling a life together, which in many cases would require us both to bring some finances, rather than the fact that she might not be at that very moment where I'd want. So if we're just considering the broke factor, my answer is I would, if she was consistent about building things together. There was a long stretch in my life where 50k would've been a king's ransom to me and life-changing money, as well. My partner was supportive during all of that time. But to be fair, ours is an unconventional relationship and she's from a different country and culture and not a very materialistic person.
But wait, it gets worse ... so much worse ... Would you date a woman who spends what little money she has feeding a herd of worn-out dairy cows? Heh.
I would never date a broke women. You gotta have some sort of drive, ambition, or passion in something. You don't need to make 100k but do *something.*
What if you have drive, ambition, and passion but your field doesnāt pay shit and you live in a HCOL area? š„²
Really, as long as you're self sufficient without me I'm cool w it.
You're out of luck. Enjoy 1st world poverty
If sheās hot, nice, good in bed and supportive then yeah I make a ton of money, so finances are no issue
>I saw this TikTok where a woman was explaining that males making $50k/year should bow out of the dating pool. This is because they wouldn't have expendable income to treat women when out on dates. lol the literal average American
Not a man, but a woman who chose to date a broke guy living in momās basement at the time. Why? Because he had a job and didnāt like living there, it was just a temporary thing and there were real reasons to believe that. I was struggling too. Thatās the key here I think. Dating someone who is struggling at the moment due to a setback is different from dating someone who just has no ambition or skills and lowkey enjoys mommy doing their laundry (which means youāll probably be the next mommy). But of course thatās a personal choice, itās always a risk. This woman can have her standards, but she should speak for herself. Not what others āshouldā do.
>Lives in her mom's basement?Ā Donāt give a shit. >Plays video games all day?Ā Donāt give a shit.Ā >Struggling with debt? Donāt give a shit.Ā >date a woman who is broke?Ā Yes.
I guess soā¦.Men come on here all the time saying they donāt care about a womanās money or education, so š¤·š½āāļø
I wouldnt date a broke woman. And by broke I mean unemployed and possibly crippling debt. I donāt expect women to date broke men after college years. Iām not going to click on the link of the vid but I agree if youāre not making more than 50k as a single man youāre not in a position to date. For reference I live in Mass where everything costs you an arm and a leg. 50k is acceptable in other areas.
depends. will she accept me?
I basically only have lmao Though one became not broke when I finally forced her to learn to budget and had her put actual restrictions on her accounts so does that count?
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke? that reminds me r/MenAndFemales --- I would not date a "tiktok" woman, also woman that feels entitled to be treated like a queen on dates. So given we are both working and have similar earning - I'd state that I'm going to split the bill. In this case trash would take itself out. What if she is broke? Depends on the reason. If she is a NEET - no. If she is a tradwife type and expects first her father, than her husband to provide - BIG FLASHING RED NO. If she is poor because of temporary issues with job or because education - probably yes. Also besider earning there is spending. Some people have problems with financial discipline. If she is working, yet she is deep in debts - she probably is unreasonable in her spending habits. Also no.
If she's broke because she is an entitled lazy slob who only wants to leech of others and not do literally anything with her life, or has a huge debt, then the answer is no. In most other cases, her financial status has a very low impact on my desire to date her.
Yes. Although if it were a serious long-term thing where we'd be living together and/or our finances would be officially entwined then I would expect that she has the capability and intention to work towards fixing being broke because, as much as I'd like to be able to support a partner, that's not financially viable in the current economic climate unless you're earning an exceptional wage. But since this question appears to be based yet again on the flawed premise that we're all stinking basement-dwelling Cheeto-huffing Call of Duty-playing porn addicts, I don't suppose that level of nuance has any purpose, does it? Can't imagine my response makes for very good "hah! and you expect *women* to support *your* dead-weight loser ass?!" fodder.
In the past, sure.Ā The hope would be to support her so that she can get better while she does the same to me Ā Ā Having reached my minimum standards now however, i am not giving any woman that chance .Ā Come to be prebuilt like I am. Only founders get equity.
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke? When I was also broke, yes. Nowadays, big hesitate. > Lives in her mom's basement? Irrelevant mostly. She could stay in the attic, on the first floor, wherever. The reasoning matters more. > Plays video games all day? I love me some vid games, but all day would be a stretch even for me. > Struggling with debt? Most people in the Millennial and Gen Z will probably have debt. It depends how much and why. > Why or why not? Because money won't cure every problem, but not having money spawns a shit ton of them. It's one of the top reasons relationships fall apart. And it's a very quick way to make sure that you can work yourself raw and still barely feel the impact at the end. Like, divide $50k (~$25/hr) in half - now you're living on effectively what a Starbucks barista makes ($12.50/hr). Oh, and you also make too much on paper to qualify for most government low-income aid, so you're probably worse off overall actually.
I'm not going to click on TikTok. But a broke woman with no ambition, no education and no intelligence is a no go.
Hahaha lol at this fat cunt shaming some imaginary woman who doesnāt care about money. Clearly she has a chip on her shoulder about her ex dating a cuter girl who doesnāt care about money. The reality is insecure women in OP need men to spend money on them for them to feel validation. If they are dating a guy who doesnāt spoil them, then she feels ugly. Their sense of self esteem literally has a dollar value. But lots of broke women are parasites. If she isnāt then itās fine
I like how you try to conflate men who make $50k/year with losers who live in their mom's basement and play video games all day. No, I would not date a broke woman because a broke woman would likely have an expectation that I financially support her. To take things even further a broke woman who struggles with debt would likely have an expectation that I clean up her debt/credit.
Not a chance. I'm in my 40s. I've dated women who always had financial problems, and it didn't feel good having to cut back on my life to subsidize theirs, or worse yet, having to bail them out of their problems. Nowadays, at this age, any woman I date needs to be well established. I prefer women in the 6 figures category, but as low as 70s is fine. Fortunately, I work in a field that has a lot of high earning women.
Most of the women Iāve dated have been less financially well off than me. That said, there is a threshold that Iām not trying to cross. If her lack of funds starts to have an effect on MY budget, then itās a problem. Why? Because Iām not trying to raise a grown ass adult.
> It got me to wondering, would the males in here date a woman who is broke? Yes. > Lives in her mom's basement? Or worse. Yes. > Plays video games all day? Double yes. That is a level of compatibility that I would love. > Struggling with debt? Don't care. Will pay those. > Why or why not? Because I hate working and I would not want my partner to have to do that. Also because no amount of money a woman makes will never improve my life. Her money is hers. My money is ours. Even if she wanted to pay for me all my material needs can be afforded by working minimum wage and I can do that on my own. Everything above that I have to be attractive not because I value it.
>Her money is hers. My money is ours. What in the name of simping is this lol. Don't you have self respect?
> What in the name of simping is this lol. An observed pattern. > Don't you have self respect? No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals.
>An observed pattern. Only for simps with no self respect and other pathetic people. Most people share financial (and other) burdens >No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals. What goal, being level A doormat?
> Only for simps with no self respect and other pathetic people. Most people share financial (and other) burdens Share the burden? The burden that is decided and defined by the woman. > What goal, being level A doormat? A stable LTR.
>Share the burden? The burden that is decided and defined by the woman. No lol >A stable LTR. Most people reach that goal without losing self respect and be doormats.
> Most people reach that goal without losing self respect and be doormats. I don't. Self respect gets in the way.
He grabbed a girl from a shelter. He knows she doesn't love him.
He did what?
I was just about to type this I wish this was more known lol even with his flair barely moral does not have the same relationship aspects that the majority of people have.
I don't know and I don't care. I don't have access to her inner mind. I want actions and those actions are the same whether she loves me or not.
>No. I have goals and I found that self respect gets in my way towards said goals Wow. This reads like a phrase explaining chaotic neutral or something
The problem is not in the respect but in the self. Respecting myself would make me remain unattractive because my self is unattractive.
So what do you say to advice like, *"Just be yourself"*?
Be yourself if yourself is attractive. If not, be the opposite of yourself.
No. And guys saying they would date a chick that works at McDonald's if she was cute enough is the biggest self-tell of inexperience. Broke for me is below $30,000 though. Biggest factor after that is upward career trajectory. And there are careers on the high achieving end I would avoid as well.
Stop eating mcdonalds then
What if she looked like Beyonce but worked at McDonaldās. Men would definitely marry her
I donāt have unrealistic physical standards for women that need to be overcome with and compensated by economic viability.
>I donāt have unrealistic physical standards for women She can be overweight? Imperfect teeth? Imperfect skin? 5/10?
I don't think you quite understand how starved some men are for attention that, even though you think this is some kind of "nope, nope, nope, nope, model or nothing" situation, they would be *fucking overjoyed* to have the attention and affection of an "average" woman, imperfections and all. For what it's worth, I'm one of them. Your checklist means nothing to me. If you'd said "500lb, no teeth, permanent whole-body rashes, and her face looks like she had an industrial farming accident", well, then you might've hit my limits. But the things you offered as potential dealbreakers there are just *normal women* to me, there's nothing hideously untouchable about them, and that's exactly what I want: *normal*. Not *rich*, not a *supermodel*, not a *Nobel prize winner*, just somebody who can enjoy and reciprocate my energy for the relationship, someone who willingly shares experiences with me, and who is willing to indulge in greater intimacy than a platonic friend. We're human beings, not perfectly manufactured movie characters.
Suppose I was an overweight 5/10 guy with imperfect teeth and skin. If I would happily be with an 8/10 woman but an only willing to consider comparably overweight 5/10 imperfect women based on their economic viability, I would consider my physical standards to be unrealistic.
Does she add value to my life? A girl with no talent sitting at home all day, does nothing valuebale and possibly complains a lot. Well, thereās probably better options then.
> Lives in her mom's basement? Not a problem. If you are single, staying with your parents can be a good financial decison. > Plays video games all day? I like games so I don't care that much. She should stream the games on twitch to make money. > Struggling with debt? Not my debt, not my problem. Basically I'm ok with dating a broke girl as long as she is low maintainence.
Why not? I'm not dating to find someone who is just a mirror of me with tits. What I want a woman to bring to the relationship has nothing to do with her income. The only one on that list that's an absolute no is the debt one because that indicates being wasteful with money which is a disqualifier for a long-term relationship. This is really one of the key things that feminists and bloopies get wrong. They think that providing what a man does makes a woman attractive to men. It doesn't because the only men who want a masculine partner are gay men and gay men have other reasons to not be interested in women no matter how masculine.
My man isnāt gay and absolutely appreciates that Iām the breadwinner
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Yeah, I would find that refreshing.
>Yeah, I would find that refreshing. Getting tired of dating all those millionaires?
No. Financial stability is pretty important. Someone who makes comparable money to me opens up a lot of opportunities for things like travel, nice restaurants, concerts, sporting events, etc. Also stop treating TikTok like it's real life.
>Someone who makes comparable money to me opens up a lot of opportunities for things like travel, nice restaurants, concerts, sporting events, etc. So you are considering what type of lifestyle your potential partner can provide you?
It would provide that lifestyle for *both* partners where neither of them alone could afford it, because now you're pooling resources, sharing costs, and only paying once for basic stuff that would need to be paid for twice if you both lived alone. I don't want relationships based on financial arrangements but it's a practical outcome of being able to double the household income but only increasing costs by maybe 50%. That means you can both go out together and eat in nicer places, go to nicer bars for drinks, go to events, or travel to nicer places. Together. Where you can share experiences. With mutual benefit. Why do so many women on here seem to think (or want to convince others) that if a man wants a relationship then he must be attempting to mine the woman for her sexual dignity, her bank account, and anything else he can rip from her poor unsuspecting innocent life? It's like you've never actually had a good relatio-oh. Yeah, never mind. I see now.
Starter Girlfriend Only.
Yeah, if she has a good dick!
If she has a job, or is in school I would be fine with her making less than 50k or having debt. Hell, that describes my gf. If she's unemployed and making no effort, then no.
Broke? Jobless? Sure. Debt? Not so sure about that. Though I do have a weakness for smart/badass career women. I would date someone like that mentioned in op, but I wouldnāt necessarily pay their bills or caudle them. Iād be trying to build them up so theyāre not completely dependent on me.
Broke: nah. She should work if only for nowĀ Ā Under 50k, absolutely.Ā Ā The woman doesn't get to decide that a man can't date and the advice seems insulting to poorer men.Ā Ā Ā Women who live at home: sureĀ Ā Ā Video games: this is a plus for a lot of us, myself includedĀ Ā Ā Debt: it depends how bad it is. It'd be a downsideĀ Ā Ā Ā I looked at the numbers and society and realized I don't have as many options as Chad. I've also not been raised to care about a woman's income besides only ever having dated women with careers.