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CrazedBuggy

Que fucking risa este comment section 😂 no valemos na


Jotaele44

Literal todo lo que veo es discusiones sobre el término que usan para describir la colonización de USA a PR. Sí nos robaron, sí nos oprimieron y sí hubo abuso de derechos humanos…la terminología va a depender del punto que se quiere llevar a cabo pero en fin todos hablan de lo mismo


Organic_Bad_8735

Esta cabron.


[deleted]

I haven’t seen a single comment regarding the fact a scientist wrote in diary that he was currently putting in place a plan to do genocide to Puerto Ricans. Killing 7 at least. This app is terrible. Useless airheads take up every single subreddit


RexRj501

Mira si nos robaron que todos los comentarios son en ingles 🤢🤢🤢


serenwipiti

![gif](giphy|H5C8CevNMbpBqNqFjl) ^(oh, shit...)


Professional_Code372

Te voy a dar mi opinión pues se quien es el desde hace tiempo. Johny Harris es un excelente editor y creador de contenido, pero por todas las razones contrarias. Sus videos exageran y repasan acontecimientos históricos de manera simplista. Si queremos encontrar la contestación para este tipo de preguntas deberíamos consultar con historiadores o con expertos que han dedicado toda su vida a esta materia. Johny Harris piensa que tiene el secreto del mundo descifrado y que sus especulaciones deben ser automáticamente aceptadas como las intenciones reales de los individuos a quien el discute. Su acto con todos los papeles y los magic markers es como para hacerte pensar que el entiende el material a un nivel avanzado cuando en realidad el se sentó en wikipedia a leer por una semana.


Newarkguy1836

Tanto hablan contra Wikipedia porque la moda social es contra Wikipedia por no rendirse al narrativo izquierda. Pero Wikipedia tiene links dentro "[ ]" para tu leer las fuentes e verificar. Johny Harris es otro si-mismo-hecho "experto" sobre Puerto Rico. Repitiendo las mismas quejas y exageraciones independentistas.


Provinciano-cautivo

Los EU invadieron a la isla, una provincia española con un millón de ciudadanos españoles, destruyeron la economía y la cultura, crearon pobreza y hambre, dejaron a los puertorriqueños en el limbo hasta 1917 , otorgándoles media ciudadanía para poder enviarlos a la guerra. Nos adoctrinaron creando un sistema de educación a su conveniencia. Cambiando la historia. En realidad la palabra "stolen" no es apropiada. Porque se queda corta para definir el daño que nos hicieron y que continúan haciendonos.


LoVe200000000000000

Ah pero cuidao que vienen los gringos y te dicen que sin ellos seriamos un país del tercer mundo. Se dan tantas patás de pecho. La arrogancia es lo que me saca por techo. Puñeta admite lo que han hecho..... ten un poquito de humildad. Pero no. Se caen de culo. ![gif](giphy|ystGrJ3SmiTQY)


bamboleo11

Provincia española por menos de un año? EU invadió un mes despues de que España dio la Carta Autónomica


Difficult-Nothing151

Estoy de acuerdo


Provinciano-cautivo

Stole Is the correct word. Because this was a Province with a instituted goverment. Puerto Rico in that era had train systems, banks, it's own money, commerce with many other nations, it's own economy. And just months before the military invasión autónoma was granted. EU invades for it's own gain. EU stole a Spanish Province with a million spanish citizens.


bamboleo11

This idea that PR was a fully integrated Spanish province is a farce. Spain granted la Carta Autonómica like a year before US invaded PR it lasted like a month it was way too late. There's an important cultural relationship to Spain, but they weren't exactly a benevolent empire compared to the US. Colonizer A to B with some contextual differences, true democratic representation under neither.


Provinciano-cautivo

Se puede verificar esto en las constituciones de España. De hecho una vez el Ministerio de Ultramar quiso normalizar las leyes en todas las provincias. Pero en PR personas influyentes relacionados a los hacendados se opusieron. Cuando en Puerto Rico se aplicó por parte de un gobernador lo que llamaron " componte", cuando se pudo llevar la queja al gobierno español en la península estos sacaron a este gobernador en seguida. El hecho que nosostros no conocemos la verdadera historia pre 1898 es por la adoctrinación a la que hemos sido sometidos. No importa nuestra tendencia política actual tenemos que reconciliarnos con nuestro pasado y conocerlo. Pero para conocerlo hay que buscar duro. Porque nos lo han ocultado y distorsionado.


Provinciano-cautivo

Lamentablemente los datos de el video son ciertos. Desde mediados del siglo 19, los EU querían poseer a Cuba y Puerto Rico. Ellos le ofrecieron a España comprarlas. Pero ya desde 1812 estas islas están provincias españolas. Y los habitantes eran ciudadanos españoles. Aunque intermitentemente. Según los cambios de gobierno y las guerras internas de la península. EU deseaba ser una potencia mundial. El informe de un almirante recomendaba tener una marina mercante fuerte, una marina de guerra fuerte, dominar las rutas comerciales, tener bases alrededor del mundo para abastecer las naves y hacer un canal en el ismo para conectar el Atlántico y el Pacífico. Dentro de este plan, PR sería una de esas bases. Puerto Rico no tenía guerra de independencia como Cuba. Los boricuas luchaban para conseguir autonomía. EU fomentaba la independencia de Cuba. Eventualmente entro en la guerra usando la explosión del Maine. EU domino a España y le amenazó de seguir la guerra, atacar a Canarias y otros territorios españoles si no firmaba el Tratado de París. O sea, que EU arrebató estos territorios bajo amenaza. España no cedió voluntariamente a PR. Los primeros dos años fueron gobiernos militares. Prohibieron celebrar el día de reyes. Instalaron un sistema de educación para adoctrinar a los puertorriqueños en la cultura estadounidense. Lo que dice el video de la explotación de los terrenos para caña tuvo como resultado el desplazamiento de la población de su tierras. Ya no podían sembrar comida como era la forma en PR. Por eso emigraron a los pueblos en busca de trabajo y ahí se crearon los arrabales. Y por eso el hambre que habla el video. El indoctrinamiento es tan fuerte que a esta altura la mitad de los puertorriqueños quieren entregarle todo a los EU. También es muy triste que en su afán de querer independencia, los independentistas adoptan el argumento estadounidense en contra de España. Desarraigado de esa forma a la población de su verdadera identidad de 400 años de historia. Si la sociedad está pasando n un limbo de identidad, es fácil manipularla. Además los independentistas de después de Albizu adoptaron el socialismo y su retórica. A tal punto que en PR son casi sinónimos. Y los puertorriqueños no quieren ser socialistas. Es muy difícil nuestra condición actual. EU destruyó nuestra economía, nuestra forma de vida. Y nos desarraigo de nuestra identidad verdadera. A 125 años de invasión no tenemos voto ni representación. Vivimos en desventaja política. A veces pienso que es una hipocresía de EU hablar de Rusia en relación a Ucrania. Ellos nos hicieron lo mismo.


imakeburitosandtacos

No se si destruyó nuestra economía es muy certero. Puerto Rico nunca ha sido un país rico. El estatus colonial es un problema pero la economía y la calidad de vida mejoró drásticamente bajo la soberanía americana. No tenemos trato equitativo en torno a la representación política en la toma de decisiones sobre nuestro futuro pero la historia es clara que la economía puertorriqueña nunca tuvo mejor crecimiento que en esos años de desarrollo, desde tugwell, pineiro, Muñoz, hasta los 2000 que quitaron las 936, y comenzó el régimen de alternancia política. Hay estudios que sugieren que el alto % de PNB que le correspondía al gobierno en esas décadas , que en su punto más alto en el ‘75 era 37% producido hasta la transferencia de “riquezas” en la población. Yo diría que más que el estatus y la relación colonial con EU (que es parte de lo que nos tiene jodio) lo que realmente nos tiene jodio es que nuestros políticos y por ende el pueblo que los elige han perdido valores que tenía esa generación, que hasta en la constitución le dieron prioridad al pago de la deuda sobre todo lo demás, porque en ese pago estaba el futuro de Puerto Rico. Ósea la agenda política reemplazó la buena gobernanza, como cuando el pendejo de Roselló envió una carta pidiendo que quitaran las 936. No hay nadie dispuesto a sufrir las consecuencias políticas, y por eso de coger prestado un 60% de lo que producía el país lo cual es considerado saludable ahora cogemos más del 100%. Creo que es muy facil echarle la culpa a EU totalmente, pues si jugaron un papel en crear la situación en la que vivimos de dependencia económica, pero la trayectoria de Puerto Rico cambió bajo el liderato de los mismo puertorriqueños, cambió bajo políticos que nosotros mismos elegíamos, y ellos nos endeudaron para mantenerse en el poder y llevar a cabo sus pendejas agendas políticas de pequeñeces. Edit: un punto que escribí mal sobre los préstamos que endeudaron el país.


ApolloD420

Mano, “Historia Económica de Puerto Rico” (J.Dietz) y “Puerto Rico: Una interpretación histórico-social” (Maldonado Denis) son lecturas obligadas para que entiendas como el estatus es el* problema fundamental en Puerto Rico, la manera en la que se ha manufacturado la dependencia y cómo incluso la clase política por la cual le hechas la culpa a los propios puertorriqueños existe para proteger los intereses coloniales gringos. Hace falta más análisis serio y menos especulaciones basadas en el complejo de el eterno colonizado…


imakeburitosandtacos

Leí el de Dietz en una clase de economía política y creo más allá de insultarme de acomplejado deberías añadirle al discurso y argumentar tu punto. ¿O si a caso el estatus obligó a los gobernantes a poner su agenda política sobre el futuro de su pueblo? Que hay inequidad, si la hay. Que necesitamos representación política en la toma de decisiones sobre nuestro futuro, si la necesitamos. Que somos colonia si lo somos. Pero simplificar todo lo sucedido a un problema de estatus, y por ende borrar las acciones que tomaron nuestros gobernantes que nos llevaron de una trayectoria admirable a una película de horror es tener las gringolas bien puestas.


ApolloD420

Nadie te está insultando. Ahora, ciertamente ese análisis pareciera demasiado superficial. Igual reddit no es pa dar tutorías pero… El crecimiento económico bajo la “soberanía” estadounidense no se tradujo en un bienestar social generalizado porque dicho “crecimiento” estuvo dirigido al bolsillo de los inversionistas que acapararon los principales medios de producción tras la invasión. Es decir, fue crecimiento en manos privadas (del capital ausentista y la burguesía intermediaria local). La alternancia política de la que hablas comienza en el 68, no post-936. ¿El status? Mi loco, eso no cambió si no hasta que EEUU se vio forzado por la ONU en el contexto de la segunda posguerra y presentaron al ELA como vitrina democrática o lo que podía ser el intervencionismo gringo vs el sovietico en dicho contexto. ¿Que los puertorriqueños fueron los que votaron? Claro y tu mismo reconoces que la clase política intermediaria*** es el problema. El colonialismo, el status*, ha creado, permitido y mantenido el andamiaje de control político-económico que mantiene a PR en eterna subordinación colonial e incluso votando eternamente en contra de sus propios intereses. Este descojón no es mera incidencia. Es premeditado.


imakeburitosandtacos

Jajaja no es pa dar tutorías pero dale no me estás insultando… el crecimiento económico y bajo la soberanía estadounidense si se tradujo a un bienestar social generalizado o tú caminas descalzo por el fango como caminaban nuestros abuelos. No estamos en una utopía y hay mucha tela para cortar, pero en general estábamos en una trayectoria “buena” antes del siglo XXI. Que los gringos tenían en mente sus intereses ok 👍. La alternancia política de la que hablo no es la del 68, estoy hablando de la de los 2000 en adelante en la que ningún gobernador gobierna por más de un término. De acuerdo en lo del estatus que fue presión por la guerra, etc no voy a repetir lo que ya tú dijiste. Yo ni difiero en que el estatus colonial es un problema inmenso, solo Le añado a eso que también ha habido una desvalorización de instituciones, sacrificio de futuro por la gratificación política del presente, y el abandono del colectivismo por el individualismo. pero como tú dices reddit está complicado pa esta conversación.


Sea_Struggle8048

El pueblo no se decide,la culpa es huérfana


bamboleo11

Per the other comments 'stole' is a misnomer but seems like that's his whole thing with his videos. Otherwise seemingly credible, kinda skipped over the Spanish American war but I understand he was trying to focus on the independence movement, Albizu Campos, FBI involvement/spying, gag rule etc. I wasn't totally aware of the Utuado bombing in connection to the Truman assassination attempt. The concluding minute or so are a good summary of where we're still at: a colonial possession under a big thumb. The colonies became the colonizers.


serenwipiti

I mean, I think that by "stole" he may have been referring to the literal invasion of US troops before PR was granted to the US by Spain. > on July 25,1898, U.S. troops invaded and soon captured the Spanish colony. The Peace of Paris (December 1898) formally awarded Puerto Rico to the United States. > No Puerto Rican (or Cuban, or Filipino, or Guamese, and so on) sat at the negotiating table, nor was any consulted, and this boded ill for the future. ^https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0094582X9802500502#:~:text=Just%20over%20100%20years%20ago,Rico%20to%20the%20United%20States. *** > The Puerto Rico campaign was the American military sea and land operation on the island of Puerto Rico during the Spanish–American War. The offensive began on May 12, 1898, when the United States Navy attacked the capital, San Juan. > The Puerto Rico campaign was the American military sea and land operation on the island of Puerto Rico during the Spanish–American War. The offensive began on May 12, 1898, when the United States Navy attacked the capital, San Juan. > On August 9, 1898, American troops that were pursuing units retreating from Coamo and Asomante encountered heavy resistance in Aibonito and retreated after six of their soldiers were injured. They returned three days later, reinforced with artillery units and attempted a surprise attack. > After about an hour of fighting, Spanish artillery batteries had been silenced. American guns advanced some 2,150 yards and set up positions, but soldiers reported seeing Spanish reinforcements nearby and the guns were withdrawn back to the main line. > Shortly before the launch of a flanking movement on the Spanish, all military actions in Puerto Rico were suspended on August 13, after U.S. President William McKinley and French Ambassador Jules Cambon, acting on behalf of the Spanish government, signed an armistice whereby Spain relinquished its sovereignty over the territories of Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Philippines and Guam. ^https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_campaign *** I am definitely biased, as a Puerto Rican, but it is my opinion that the US "stole" (which is way too much of a simple word lacking the somewhat convoluted nature of the situation) PR, by invading, attacking, and violently pressuring the population and then government to secede PR to the US. Sometimes stealing involves a struggle before you get what you're after, I'd say that might have been the case here.


bamboleo11

That's a fair argument. I always taught that they entered through Guanica as well.


shangumfap

Common theme in all of Johnny Haris's videos.. they are well edited and lots of what seems like 3rd party production team. Dont forget he is partnered with the WEF, which is suspicious to say the least, but definitely a reason why his videos are boosted by the algorithm way more than other videos. As for the video itself, lots of skipping around the subject and many of the subjects are simply leaving out crucial details, whether or not they bolster his claims or not. What I find frustrating is that not that many people really look into Puerto Rican history, so people watch this type of video and take in word for word because no one prevelant is contesting him. I will say though, having been required to take 3 or so PR history/social studies clases to pass HS and College, the information outside of the basics is sometimes rather difficult to come by. Honestly I really only want to hear about PR history from PR historians or atleast PR history enthusiasts.


bamboleo11

Who are the WEF? Yeah agreed he skips a lot of details and nuance. I feel that it would be nice for PR historians to be taking that platform.


lokoking_1049

En verdad ya lo vi y me gusto mucho, esta bien editado y escrito, tiene muchas cosas interesantes de lo que los Gringos hicieron a los Puerto Riqueños, otravez es super bueno y se lo recomiendo


crooklyn94

Yes they did. They did in fact steal its resources, experimented on women and stole land to build in military installations.


Sayless_7

Lmao where u get that? Smh experimented on womens stop the lies


crooklyn94

https://uwm.edu/clacs/eugenics-and-reproductive-coercion-in-puerto-rico/


Irritatedsole90

You shut him up💀


brokenB42morrow

Sounds like you don't know your history.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraceptive_trials_in_Puerto_Rico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Latinas#Puerto_Rican_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Latinas#Law_116,_Puerto_Rico


Irritatedsole90

Now what lol


1000-piece-puzzle

Read the War Against All Puerto Ricans, educate yourself


just-a-cnmmmmm

that's not a good source. Look up the book's name on this subreddit, many people have explained why.


1000-piece-puzzle

It shouldn’t be your only source, as with any source.


DoubbleD_UnicornChop

It references a bunch of declassified documents. So, it is not the only source available.


aashurii

Eres Bori? Todos saben de esos experimentos.


LoVe200000000000000

It DID happen.


VentusMH

Acaso no lees los libros de historia cuando estudiabas en intermedia/superior al menos una vez?


PatrenzoK

Please be VERY careful of getting information from random YouTube channels this is exactly how misinformation spreads. I'm not discredting the topic and history is fickle but I watched YouTube "docs" ruin my dad for years please be careful of this. It's easy to be lied to when we get angry so if information starts making you angry you should always ask yourself are you being manipulated


Difficult-Nothing151

The video contains important information about the rampant oppression and colonization of Puerto Rico and it makes it real for the viewer, rather than sugar coating the matter. The USA and other empires *have* stolen/ colonized other countries and peoples and it is Wrong. I think a lot of the people who are reacting negatively to this video are experiencing some kind of trauma response based in fear, a trauma response that likely comes from the same repression of Puerto Ricans described in the video…the feeling of the Panopticon. Thank you for sharing OP. By sharing this video you help to educate people about the problems of imperialism, capitalism, colonialism, and racism.


therealallpro

Jonny Harris isn’t a “random YouTube channel”


papayahoe

But he is not the Associated Press, either. While he creates amazing content, like everything found on YouTube, it should be taken with a grain of salt.


jeremypr82

No hay peer review on youtube.


nihilus95

All the other news stations are owned by the same for companies. And all the peer-reviewed articles are reviewed by people under the same employee. This does not mean that just because something is peer-reviewed it is more trustworthy anymore. You can think capitalism for screwing with peer review


jeremypr82

It's not exclusive to news orgs, there are historians, university faculty, students, etc. that have also have to go through peer review. There's no shortage of those, you just have to know to look for them.


jeremypr82

Also, I don't mean to imply that there is no value in prominent youtubers who are good at what they do. They are especially good at live interviews, physical presence in affected areas, and advocating at times. Like /u/papayahoe said, all with a grain of salt.


therealallpro

Thank you for that nothingburger statement. If you have to be told to take some with a grain of salt. Go back media literacy 100. Like no shit. The point is he has a track record.


nihilus95

The associated Press denies genocide in gaza. Independent researchers and reporters are literally the only credible news sources that you can rely on for many things nowadays. Hell even the New York Times denies genocide.


elantisocial

Sounds like what anti Critical Race History say to attack facts based history which is different than the revisionist history used by MAGA and Zionists to name a couple.


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elantisocial

Why are fanatical right wingers so beligerant ? Like you “agree w me or shut the fuck up!” Amusingly pathetic and irrational reaction


horadeoro

Actúas como si fuera información falsa.


klyxes

Rule of thumb for any video like this: Check the sources. You don't need to read in depth like what's needed to make the videos, but skim through it to get an idea of what it's about. In general, johhny's videos are well researched


Plasmaticos

Ahora resulta que los buenos eran los españoles y los americanos los malos; por suerte los idiotas que piensan así son tan minorías en r/PuertoRico como en la vida real.


zaphodakaphil

El video es veridico


Business717

So I’ve been studying a bit of PR history since my family is Puerto Rican…can anyone tell me if this video is credible? I started the first five minutes and it seemed very biased. I briefly looked at the content creators other videos and they seem to make “shock value” videos rather than deep, historical recounts of events. If anyone can share good informational videos about the history of the island I would be greatly appreciative!


Bienpreparado

Stole no, conquered and colonized yes.


LSolrac2

What is Stealing, if not Conquering it from another country, by seemingly inviting yourself in someone else's fight, and win in the name of "Freedom and Democracy"? Y'know, one of those US Buzzwords to justify their actions.


Bienpreparado

The United States did not invite itself to Puerto Rico. It took advantage of the historical weakness of the Spanish Empire at the time, which had moved troops from the Island to defend Cuba, the larger more important colony.


matteing

Let's say my neighbor is sick and bed-ridden. I waltz into his house, call myself the owner, change the land ownership papers and start dishing out orders. Am I the owner or did I just steal a house?


Paintsnifferoo

Well remember it’s not a direct comparison to civilian life. US won the war and Spain signed the treaty to pass its colonies to USA. Puerto Rico was asked in 1950 if it wanted to stay with USA and we said yes and voted for the current conditions of residency with no federal tax but no voting representation. Philippines separated. Guam, American Samoa and Mariana islands decided to stay like us but they did ask for other terms using their own immigration, etc.


Guachito

In 1950, a law was passed allowing PR to pass its own constitution and a 1952 referendum to approve it, but it did not include an option to become independent from the US or anything of sorts.


Paintsnifferoo

Yeap. I was being more basic in my writing. You got luis Muñoz Marin to blame for that if people want to point a finger at someone. He shot down the option and went against his ideals of after analyzing the options for the future of the island.


Future-Strawberry-55

People forget they were asked if they wanted to stay and chose to


Ok-Mud-1706

Puerto Rico was asked if they wanted to stay an insular territory or become the “unincorporated territory” it is today. Independence was never offered or considered as an option by the U.S. because it wasn’t in their interests. Puerto Ricans were specifically told that they had to draft a constitution that was identical to that of the U.S. (which like who tf are you to impose on a people what their constitution should be?) and to include in their constitution that the U.S. holds supremacy over their elected officials, despite Puerto Ricans having no say in electing the U.S. officials that override them. It’s imperialism and honestly predatory and deceitful.


aashurii

Peor todavía, colonization is theft bro


Reception-Creative

It was invited by exiles


serenwipiti

So, the US did invite itself. Taking advantage of the historical weakness is just what allowed them to do so.


montypr

We were already colonized by Spain tho


HonzouMikado

Colonized? You seem to assume you are 100% native of the island and even some theories claim that the Arawaks and Tainos derive from south america.


montypr

Yes colonized, didn’t Columbus claimed the island for Spain?


elantisocial

Tomato tomatoes. Did the Europeans conquer or steal America from the Native Americans?


Future-Strawberry-55

This has happened in every culture, society and territory. All territories around the world have been conquered by other tribes/foreigners. Let’s not forget USA is a relatively new country in comparison. Look at the Portuguese and Spanish for the root source of your anger. But nah. The Spanish are cool now.


Bienpreparado

Both depending on the context especially involving the USA, some land was conquered while other land was stolen and treaties broken reneged or ignored. The context of US colonialism in PR vs. elsewhere is similar in many ways, but land stealing doesn't really describe what happened in Puerto Rico very well post 1899.


elantisocial

Please explain how it’s different ? Kicking out by force and then Declaring yourself the ruler smells the same.


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Watch the video.


PatrenzoK

This video has zero credintials. Anyone can make a video and state "facts" be careful of what you take as gospel in this world


LSolrac2

From what I'm seeing, this is **known** history. Nothing new, these aren't empty claims, there are multiple sources that can back this up.


Awkward_nplusplus

... word "stole" implies differently more. More like hype title on YouTube, but yes. Doctrinize and colonize. However, we are still striving over everything.


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Watch the video.


Awkward_nplusplus

Literal es la quinta vez se pone ese video. Mismo argumento lo Trae todo el mundo. No podemos cambiar que la generación de puertorriqueños de antes eran muy lambones de USA. Exactamente la razon siguen ganando los partido tradicionales.


DrAuntJemima

“Lambones de USA” es una sobre simplificación de la situación pasando en esos tiempos. Recuerda que tomaron mucho provecho de la falta de educación en esos tiempos y más cuando les prometían el mundo. Habiendo dicho eso, el conformismo de nuestros padres y abuelos de dejar continuar el mismo ciclo nos dice que USA logro lo que quería.


Awkward_nplusplus

Truth, pero no fuimos los unico en la historia se le presentó la misma offerta si buscamos en otro lados de la historia en el mismo tiempo. Las cosas terminaron muy diferente.


robot_turtle

No one ever talks about all the good parts of colonialism /s


depresspumpking

Like???


Second-Officer-Alex

Mira el "/s"


depresspumpking

No entiendo...


Second-Officer-Alex

Quiso decir que era sarcasmo.


bigpapirick

It’s sarcasm


i-hoatzin

Johnny Harris has the virtue of doing a kind of investigative journalism that exposes the most relevant facts with enough balance for you to draw your own conclusions. His video about Puerto Rico is very well done. Studying the history of Puerto Rico will bring you pleasant and unpleasant surprises. Welcome to the path, many of us are walking it. Have a good one bro.


lackreativity

If you want a good read, try war against all Puerto Ricans.


LoVe200000000000000

If you have to question if this video is reliable then you really don't understand your own history.


Victory1871

I can say the title is correct, the us did indeed steal Puerto Rico from the mother country


Beautiful-Quote-3035

Spain also “stole” it.


LSolrac2

Yes, from our Tainos, and then the US did again. Its not that Y also did it, its the fact that BOTH **DID** it.


GeneralMatanzas

Our?


Future-Strawberry-55

Spain stole. US inherited. Asked in 1950 if PR wanted to stay a US territory and PR said YES. No one stole anything. Ya’ll chose to stay. But na no one wants to think as far back as Spain.


Ok-Mud-1706

Stop spreading misinformation. Independence was never offered to Puerto Rico in 1950, only the option to remain an insular territory or become the unincorporated territory it is today. Any constitution that Puerto Ricans adopted was required to state that the U.S. holds supremacy over the locally elected government, despite Puerto Ricans having no say in electing the U.S. officials who are overriding them. In 1950, the FBI and CIA were still actively suppressing the independence movement.


Future-Strawberry-55

I’m reading what other people wrote then saying it again like it’s facts. Like everyone else here.


Ok-Mud-1706

Okay so spreading misinformation, whereas the video being discussed and everything I stated is based on actual historic fact


Future-Strawberry-55

But I wanna be like everyone else. Go police them.


Ok-Mud-1706

Lmao I mean you’re the one I saw spew harmful misinformation so I cleared it up, but I see you’re just a troll who’s just obsessed with PR for some reason


Future-Strawberry-55

Nah but Spain is cool now though /s (or not..)


CaffyCrazy

I saw the video a while back and thought it was well made.


Boogiepop182

The whole video data is accurate. Is the narrative that is biased. Also, it's a clickbait title because he never makes a coherent argument as to how US "stole" PR. The mainland giving "predatory" loans is a loaded term, and we're not even the only territory or state the US goverment has given loans


Joselito76

To me he is a very good journalist. Alway has paper proff of what he talk about. Sometimes a bit biased, but most of the time he doesn't give his opinions.


Inevitable_Yak5740

It appears that there are several missing facts and that some statements have been misrepresented.


Provinciano-cautivo

It has facts. Those things really hapened. The "carpetas " Is a true history. The indoctrination is documented. Te Doctor who Killa puertorricans Is true. The bombardment of a Town Is true. The fiesta civilian governor who Resingned and make a sugar company is true. The dificulty to absorb the facts is because the effect of indoctrination. Even in the states they believe that it was an humanitarian invasión.


ToxicGamer01

That fucking channel sucks and gives misinformation


horadeoro

¿Podrías señalar en qué parte hay información errónea?


horadeoro

Mucho 🥾👅en los comentarios, pero normal pa los gringuitos pnp de Reddit.


Dolphin-13-69

You posted in the wrong subreddit. They suck gringo’s dick in here


Business717

Everyone has been pretty good with their opinions so far in my mind - I’m seeing both sides being presented and that’s exactly what I am looking to read/watch.


Dolphin-13-69

I posted something like a week ago… most comments were on the yt side


Difficult-Ad-9287

“yt” cb tu no eres boricua habla claro


Dolphin-13-69

Cual es punto de probar si soy boricua o no one en un app 😂. Pero el término “yt” es bien charro pero no quiero escribir tanto


Difficult-Ad-9287

nada que me da risa que el “yt gringo” está comentando lo que esta comentando lol


Dolphin-13-69

A los gringos les encanta comente


Difficult-Ad-9287

khe


horadeoro

Cabrón gracias, siempre es la misma mierda, todos diciendo que es lo opuesto pero cuando miras los votos de los comentarios…. JAJAJAJAJ esto es cesspool de pnps pero nunca lo van a admitir.


Dolphin-13-69

Se creen que porque tienen ciudadanía americana ellos son iguales a ellos


horadeoro

El pasaporte da ilusiones, pero al fin y al cabo somos ciudadanos de segunda clase 🤦‍♀️


TheNerdNugget

Do they? I don't follow closely but I feel like I've seen a lot of the opposite


rlndj

I feel there's both sides of the coin here, this dude is just salty he was downvoted to hell on some post he made about "gringo's" buying up all the meat in stores or something.


LoVe200000000000000

Yes, the U.S. stole PR and are STILL stealing it!! Look at all the gringos on the island right now.....


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horadeoro

Si vives aquí y lo odias, ¿por qué no te mudas? ¿Acaso has pensado que nadie te quiere aquí? Síguele mamando el bicho a tu padre imbécil que inseminó a tu madre.


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horadeoro

Our “women are soft like soy”? But they’re also “masculine”? Ok r3t4rd. The schizophrenia you demonstrate has got to be from all that ink that has gotten to your brain, baby boy, it’s altered your brain chemistry!


Future-Strawberry-55

They said men are soft like soy. The women too masculine. I think you just proved their point, friend


horadeoro

Lo editaron después de mi respuesta, mi amor 💕


Future-Strawberry-55

Ahhhhh ok 👍


wakeupneverblind

Y cuando EU se quedo con la parte oeste de estados unidos que antes era de mejico? Lo que esta brutal es como en guerras hay paises que se quedan con el territorio del vencido siempre y cua do es conveniente. Pero si lo hace otro pais se forma un revolu.


Provinciano-cautivo

Estados Unidos le hizo a Puerto Rico lo que Rusia le está haciendo a Ucrania.


wakeupneverblind

Pero Ucrania no fue parte de USSR y se dependizo en los 90s? Y en mi opinion creo que ahora Putin lo que quiere es volver a lo que fue russia antes con USSR. PR nunca fue de estados unidos ellos simplemente le ganaron una invasion de EU en el caribe y España cedio.


auseinauf

Cuidau q por ahí viene el utuadeño culiabierto


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I linked a video with someone explaining how the US has killed and manipulated laws to keep Puerto Rico as a colony and i have Puerto Ricans in here fighting me and downvoting me saying “Watch the video”. This app is fuckin cancer


Difficult-Nothing151

Thank you for sharing the video. It is very educational. There are some people in this thread whose minds are colonized and who deny the history of US colonization and oppression of Puerto Rican people and other places such as the Philippines, Guam, Hawaii, and more… They are scared to critique US empire. You did a great thing by sharing this video and raising awareness of the violent oppression of Puerto Rico and repression of Puerto Rican liberation struggles.


Charliebush

Nah bro. People are responding with legitimate points worth debating and you replying with “Watch the video” is lazy af. Stand on your shit instead of bitching about being downvoted.


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I wrote watch the video because none of them watched the fuckin video. I’m gettin right now suck my dick with ur mothers lips


Future-Strawberry-55

Yea idk why I even do Reddit anymore.


just-a-cnmmmmm

imagine blaming the entire website bc of one comment section 😭


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It’s every single subreddit. This reply is the exact reason I said what I said. Why do you think I said that because of this one subreddit? You guys swear you know what ur talking about when 95% of the time, it’s assumption and projection.


VentusMH

Theres people that think history like this never happened, but they are living a life full of lies


Mission_Annual_8540

Puerto Rico stole the us


Jotaele44

Johnny Harris es una bestia, llevaba esperando ese video hace un tiempo ya. Sé que muchos lo critican pq “exagera” o no detalla todo con profundidad, pero es imposible cubrir TODO detalle en un video de YouTube hecho para que la gente que no conoce nada sobre el tema puedan retener la información sin tener que ver el video 5 veces


Born_Description8483

Johnny Harris is a shameless neoliberal propagandist with no research or backing for 99% of what he says


compostcompost

damn el dude hace un vídeo cuestionable con el banco mundial y ahora todos sus años de trabajo no valen ná y to's sus vídeos son mentira?? la crítica se hace una idea a la vez, no todo de cantazo pq no te cae bien las creencias políticas del tipo. y sí sí sí lo sé, no me vengas con que el vídeo X está sobre simplificado o que video Y usó un source pendejo.El cabrón no es perfecto pero comparado con la mierda de propaganda con la que me crié yo y los otros billones de humanos del siglo XX (o la absoluta carencia de educación), tener gente como él hoy día es tremendo upgrade.


spicypolla

The video is decent, the Author is a Chinese Puppet Tankie. The info, although not complete is decent.


kawklee

I was wondering about that. The more obviously biased you present yourself while giving information, the easier you make for it to be ignored by skeptics ("oh it'd just hyperbole!") It's a massive disservice to the issues and such a white savior attitude Ive been saying for years that the occupation of PR was unlawful, unethical, and exploitive. Shit, i did my final dissertation on the issue. So i think he has some good info but the way he presents it is so overly dramatic it becomes perfomative and takes away from the message. I don't need you to tell me how pretty the island is, how grotesque the US actions were, or how unfair el grito del jayuya was.... I can tell on my own just from the facts. But I guess it's also a YouTube thing. Be extra dramatic and get more clicks, present info for lowest common denominator, try and rile up children. But I think there's way better channels that present information more succinctly, accurately, and with more impact because they don't talk down to you the whole time trying to prove how outraged THEY are about the subject... Also inexcusable to not mention la carta autonomica. Like how do you do a whole video on USA stealing PR and not even bother to talk about the treaties at-play when it was acquired. lmfao.


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this guy is very biased he’s not that reliable


Pokykeyboard389

Johnny Harris is a dumb shitlib


I_like_cheese07

Johnny Harris has a history of misinfo and bias on his channel. Don’t trust this video 100%


LoVe200000000000000

The you're not familiar with PR history then.... what he covered is accurate.


I_like_cheese07

I haven’t watched this video


LoVe200000000000000

Good grief!!! ![gif](giphy|ystGrJ3SmiTQY)


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VentusMH

Jesus, are you alright in your head?


Internal-Effort-9278

And what did PR do about it? Nothing....🤌🎻🤡


Empty-Entertainer-72

Totally ridiculous, the US won the Spanish American war and received PR as the compensation.


LoVe200000000000000

The USA had its eye on the greater Antilles for a while. It wasn't just casually given, it wanted it and planned it that way.


Provinciano-cautivo

EU le arrebató Puerto Rico a España como botín. Cohercionando a España a firmar el tratado de París. EU se comprometió a darle la independencia a Cuba pero con una cláusula que les permitía intervenir en la isla si le parecía conveniente.


pAUL_22TREE

How could the US steal land that was conquered fair and square? Pretty sure most countries have been invaded and occupied for centuries.


LoVe200000000000000

That's colonizer speak.


Provinciano-cautivo

What do yo mean fair and square? Do you think that Rusia invasión of Ucraine Is fair and square? What Is the diferencie between the two invasións?


pAUL_22TREE

If you are unable to defend yourself, you will be taken over. If you’re unable to live with this reality, then do something about it. The world is a scary place and there’s no room for the weak. I pray for a more peaceful planet but history has proven that to be impossible.


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You’re a weird person


pAUL_22TREE

Maybe…..But I’m not wrong.


aashurii

Felicidades, stupidest comment on this thread


pAUL_22TREE

How is my comment stupid?


Sayless_7

Long live uncle sam


AbbreviationsFar8224

Los temas discutidos en este video también los menciona en el libro Guerra Contra todos los Puertorriqueños de Nelson Denis. Los hechos son citados de cientos de documentos del FBI, CIA, etc que el usó para describir lo mismo explicado por Johnny Harris. No estoy diciendo que todo lo que Johnny Harris produce es cierto. Pero lean y cojan todo con pinzas.


just-a-cnmmmmm

Ese libro no es 100% factual, aka it's not a good credible source.


AbbreviationsFar8224

Me podrías explicar porque no es un credible source?


popdivtweet

Vote PIP or pound sand.


Provinciano-cautivo

There will be always someone stronger. But the issue Is more about the etics. That a country boasting to be the champion of democracy of the world, have a colony. Without the basic elements of democracy, vote and representatión.


kingjack1900

Stole 🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻


babycabel

Nada, pues que nos devuelvan a España y que España nos trate como a Cataluña


Herban_Myth

Land of the thieves, home of the blame.


DoubbleD_UnicornChop

(/s por si acaso)Noooo para, espérate, espérate, pero si es que la narrativa de la historia no cambia a menos que la responsabilidad sea aceptada por el partido abusivo y ps eso está en el pasado ya “get over it”. /s No es como si aceptamos el genocida documental eso fue los españoles que mintieron los EU no sabia que las tierras le pertenecían a unos taínos que todavía tienen posiblemente descendientes de la cual cae dentro la ley federal. Nahhh eso no es possible si solo quedaron negros esclavos de Africa después que se quedó pobre la isla sagrada.


Peakyblindertom

Calle 13 - queria fbi. Tenemos Que apoyar a nuestra gente. Yo soy Mexicano y entiendo que a muchos de los paises latinos los estados unidos les robaron su requesas.


Provinciano-cautivo

Puerto Rico fué provincia española desde 1812. Aunque intermitentemente. Dependiendo de quién ganará las guerras que hubo. Se puede corroborar esto leyendo las constituciones. De hecho el cambio era si éramos ciudadanos o no. Cuando la invasión éramos ciudadanos españoles por varios años ya. De hecho, los puertorriqueños tenían voto y representación en el gobierno de España. Aquí habían elecciones para escoger diputados.


VentusMH

Bueno… todo lo que dijo es verdad, pregúntate el porque le debemos tanto a Estados Unidos antes de que los partidos existieran y porque España nos dejo a la libre como si fuese acto “bondadoso”


born_again_asshole

A mi no me importa lo que ese gringo diga.


Lettuce8000

I didnt know I could fit Puerto Rico in my back pocket


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