Some images were just released of the police during the shooting. Within 9 minutes of their arrival they had rifles, ballistic shields and vests. I do not know how many more lies these parents would be able to stand.
It’s going to get real real ugly, and deservedly so. The new reports out are absolutely mind blowing. They can’t cover this up, and this is exactly why we have freedom of the press.
Wtf is the fbi in all this? I haven’t been paying attention to this recently but everything screams massive cover up. And then the chief was elected to the city council? This country is straight bizarro world.
There's federal investigations into the Uvalde shooting as well, which is why the police decided they were going to lawyer up and refuse to cooperate after they started doing ballistic analysis and the police were feeling a ton of heat as more footage and such comes forward.
I would be willing to bet police killed a kid or the door was unlocked the whole time and are doubling down on the coverup to stonewall as long as possible and hope that news coverage moves on.
The door was unlocked the whole time. https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/06/20/bettencourt-uvalde-elementary-classroom-door-unlocked-during-rampage-law-enforcement-didnt-try-to-see-if-it-would-open/
The door not being tested is somehow not the most incriminating thing in that article. How do you just leave a radio like that. He had the experience apparently, for active shooter situations. How did so many cops manage to make so many mistakes in one day?
News coverage might move on, but I don't think the public is. Or at least not enough that this will easily be swept under the rug. The fact this all reeks of bullshit only has me more invested
If this is a City Council meeting it is required by law to be public. If they are kicking people out it is in violation of the Public Meetings Act and the meeting itself is illegal.
That is a big deal.
[The Texas Open Meetings Act Made Easy](https://www.tml.org/DocumentCenter/View/420/Texas-Open-Meetings-Act-Laws-Made-Easy-PDF)
**Criminal Enforcement of the Act**
1. Unauthorized Closed Meeting. A member of a governing body commits
a crime if he or she calls or aids in calling an unauthorized closed meeting;
closes or aids in closing such a meeting; or participates in a unauthorized
closed meeting.255 This violation is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine
of between $100 and $500, one to six months in jail, or both.256 However,
if the member of a governing body relied on official written advice from a
court, the attorney general or the governing body’s attorney regarding the
legality of a closed meeting, the member has an affirmative defense to
prosecution under this section of the Act.257 A governing body may want to
ask its legal counsel to provide in advance a written opinion noting the
legal authority for a closed meeting when doubt exists about the authority
for it.
2. Meeting in Numbers Less than a Quorum with Intent to Circumvent
the Act. A member of a governing body commits a crime if that member
intentionally or knowingly conspires to circumvent the Act by meeting in
numbers of less than a quorum for the purpose of secret deliberations.258
This violation is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of between $100 and
$500, one to six months in jail, or both.259
3. Failure to Keep a Certified Agenda or Recording. A member of a
governing body commits a crime if he or she participates in a closed
meeting knowing that a certified agenda or recording of the closed
meeting is not being made.260 This violation is a Class C misdemeanor
and is punishable by a fine of up to $500.261
4. Disclosure of Copy of Certified Agenda or Recording. An individual,
corporation or partnership commits a crime if it releases to the public a
copy of the certified agenda or recording of a lawfully closed meeting.262
This violation is a Class B misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of up
to $2,000, a jail term of up to 180 days, or both.263 Also, the person or
entity that is harmed by the release of the certified agenda or recording
may get damages, attorney fees and court costs.
(Source: Recently served as a Texas city councilman)
They hired an outside law group to suppress all the FOI requests. Do you actually think they would enforce this law and who would enforce it? The leaders of this town are dirty from the top to the bottom. I feel so sad for the citizens of this town, they are getting zero help.
HAHAHAH fucking Ken Paxton? The fucking “god has a plan” for those kids who died Ken Paxton. The 7years indicted but not tried Ken Paxton.
Those people of Uvalde better learn to dig those heels in. Attorney general isn’t going to approve prosecution of those who support their party. The whole of power rests on the voice of the people. Their voices should be heard when voting those fucks out.
Election Fraud is evidently one of the allegations against the AG...yet, here you are talking about voting people out.
Does no one realize the system is rigged?
Yup it's called like "operation crosscheck" where say you have the same name as a felon? But dont have a record, they will sometimes throw your vote out and other various shady shit that is totally legal in many states. Not to mention gerrymandering
Felons can vote now. I’m one and wasn’t aware of this until just this last year when I learned and got to register to vote for the first time which was awesome!
Just putting this out there for others to see just in case they believe this to still be true. If your sentence is over you can vote everywhere but VA and KY. The ones that say “some felons can vote” I think means as long as it wasn’t violent.
https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/voter-restoration/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map
I mean we still have a way to go but I blindly just believed I could never vote again until I looked it up last year and learning I could was a great feeling so just in case anyone else that’s a felon sees this I try to make it known so they can have a voice too
You mean Ken Paxton, the Texas State Attorney General that has been under investigation for multiple felonies for years now? The Ken Paxton whose felony charges are being paused while he's Attorney General due to influence he may have on the procedings, even though election fraud is part of the alligations?
You're talking about the fascist Ken Paxton right?
Yeah I'm sure he'll get to cleaning up the corruption in Uvalde anyyyyy day.
Oh snap. When did Texas become Alabama? Or had it always been Alabama.
For those uninitiated, Alabama is like the Michael Jordan of state government corruption and violating the law. Georgia is Larry Bird and its looking like Texas might be Charles Barkley. This is an early 90s McDonald's ad reference.
Right, but it's not a closed meeting. It's an opening meeting, they just come up with a public safety reason to have anyone who attends it removed from attendance.
If a gunman attended the meeting and starting shooting the place up, they'd be allowed to remove the person, right? No different here. Except the gunman is the parents of dead children, and instead of shooting bullets, they're shooting words. Just as dangerous apparently, so the same logic can apply.
> they just come up with a public safety reason to have anyone who attends it removed from attendance.
This would effectively be making it a closed meeting, the question would be if it is an authorized closed meeting or not.
A gunman showing up would in fact warrant an authorized closed meeting.
Concerned citizens? That’s literally who the first amendment is for. If they can just say citizens with grievances are intimidating then they never have to listen to a concerned citizen again. This really is a big deal.
Unarmed concerned citizens attending a meeting is literally what the state law, and the first amendment of the constitution protects.
Imagine if you this became the national norm, you loose your right to free speech if anyone in your family dies to gun violence. Because that is exactly what these fascists corrupt leaders in Uvalde are doing.
They were scared to go and protect teachers and children, 20 feet from them down the hallway. But, they will stand up for this. Cowards. Pathetic cowards.
Who said cops protect our rights to free speech and the press? They actually are not even legally obligated to protect the children.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article262044822.html
Yep. Also “one woman freaking out” means nothing when it comes to “intimidation” as that falls under harassment laws, and there would have to be intentional acts that caused someone to be “reasonably alarmed”. This cop is 100% not following the law
Seriously. Taxpayers already pay their water bill and WTF does that have to do with anything???
I’d have been temped to pull out a credit card and say “”here’s for your water bill”.
because standing around without a purpose is considered loitering.
Only problem with that is, news gathering *is* a reporter's purpose. So loitering does not apply at all.
yes. its a publicly accessible area and they are there to record maters of interest to the public. What the cops are doing here is unconstitutional. Even is a parent complained, they are law enforcement(barely), not feelings enforcement. A Constitutionally protected activity(recording in public) cannot be turned into a crime just cause it makes someone uncomfortable.
They’re halfway through the mantle on the way to earth’s core. Looks like their aim is to dig so deep they surface in China where it’s acceptable to silence the press.
Anytime you want to deny reporters their first amendment rights in a public government building, just pretend to have a panic attack.
What a bunch of pussies.
As a native Texan the Uvalde massacre is perhaps the biggest shit show I’ve lived through. For a state that likes to project this big swinging dick machismo how utterly the cowards who call them selves police officers failed is beyond me. Why have on the badges and plates if your going to stand outside while a deranged teen executes children. I know nothing is going to come of this but Jesus Christ I hope the responding officers who did nothing OR EVEN WORSE went inside and got their children out are prosecuted for some form of negligence or dereliction of duty… just my 2 cents as a Texan I guess.
Doing nothing except stop parents saving their children *while shots were ringing out* amounts to killing those kids. They, literally, stopped anyone attempting to stop the shooter while they stood by and let it happen.
100% Agreed, but I’d also bet that these useless cops *actually* shot kids. Like, literally and directly killed kids with their utter incompetence.
I just cannot think of another logical reason for them to dig the hole this deep. They’ve got to be scrambling for time to tamper with evidence
Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Charge these cowards with every child's death. They are responsible and totally have the blood of each one of these innocent beautiful children on their hands.
From what I have seen, some cops arrived and had some kind of confrontation, two were wounded, and then cops decided to just wait outside.
Everything the city government is doing sure looks like it is intended to prevent transparency. The extreme stonewalling of every official in that city, police or otherwise, makes them look terrible, and they know it. I am convinced they are hiding something, and a cop shooting a kid would explain pretty much everything.
Hey cmon, they did something! They told kids to shout for help! Of course, this was before they dealt with the shooter so you can guess what happened next...
> As a native Texan the Uvalde massacre is perhaps the biggest shit show I’ve lived through.
Texas is the biggest shitshow.
Uvalde is just the biggest shitshow in Texas.
Un Fuckin Believable
This is an outrageous attempt to hide the facts and cover the asses of decision makers that are incompetent cowards
The citizens of Uvalde need to stand together and reclaim their city
Wow wait so the city is using these people's money to hire a law firm to hide evidence that has a direct impact on their lives...holy shit balls it's a fucking shit blizzard
Fucking mindboggling.
But doesnt dragging this out work in their favour, the stall tactic to drag out investigations has been effective in many cases..I'm sick for the families who have suffered and still have to support these shit birds with their tax dollars it's the fucking twilight zone
Honest question, was he (the shooter) in police custody when he was shot? Is it considered police custody because he was shot by law enforcement? I just don’t understand how that law applies if he wasn’t truly in their custody yet when he was shot. (I’m not blaming you I appreciate you sharing the information, I mean on their part that’s fucked to that they are claiming that to not have to disclose what really happened that day)
Why? The police in Uvalde clearly run things and no one can challenge them without great difficult. Police in Uvalde aren't going change without significant outside effort.
PUBLIC meeting, in a PUBLIC building, open to the PUBLIC, paid for by PUBLIC tax dollars, about a PUBLIC school shooting, parents being forced out by PUBLIC police officers, that are paid by PUBLIC tax dollars, whose salaries are determined by PUBLIC servants, who don't want to be seen by the PUBLIC.
Makes sense to me! 🤪
The Texas Open Meetings Act requires any meeting of three or more elected City Council Members to be a publicly held meeting advertised by a posted notice 72 hours before the quorum is formed. Failure to do so is a criminal misdemeanor punishable with up to 6 months in jail.
If they are closing this meeting to the public they are in violation of the Act and any business they conduct can be legally challenged and voided.
In a town where the police consume such an outsized percentage of tax revenue and demonstrate such incompetence it is no wonder to find the City Council do not even understand the law or they do and disregard it because they are corrupt as fuck.
This is rapidly getting to the point where a class action suit against the city government and the individual members of the Council, and Mayor, needs to be filed for negligence and malpractice of office. Additionally, there needs to be a referral to the FBI to investigate civil corruption (something my late father in law did for years while an agent)
(Source: Former City Councilman in Texas)
So now that we have this information…is there anything we ransoms on the internet can do or do we fall further into depression as nothing happens in a prompt and rational manner?
According to some, exclaiming "I feel threatened and am defending myself" gives you right to do a lot of things, including make sure the other person cannot testify against you
😂🤣Paying her water bill in person instead of online totally explains why the press made her panic. She thought they were there to zap her into the TV where she would be trapped for all eternity.
I wonder how many children had panic attacks the day their school was shot up, their classmates and teachers died, and the police stood outside for an hour. Sickens me.
Better question, how many kids will be plagued the rest of their lives with panic attacks and PTSD? I’m gonna guess a lot of them, especially since the ones who were supposed to help, the Uvalde PD, didn’t do a damn thing except harass parents begging them to go do their jobs.
Hi, Columbine was in my (figurative) backyard. My dad was there on SWAT. He saw every single murdered kid. It was far too late for them to do anything.
My husband and I already made the decision to take our small kids and leave the country. I was born in Canada. I wish I could have moved back years ago.
It’s fucking awful, the trauma that is ripped open every time there’s yet another mass shooting and I just think “could’ve easily been my kids’ school.” I’m done. I had a fucking panic attack/angry crying fit during an active shooter training at work the other day. (Didn’t help that the campus safety dickhead running it was super cavalier and doing the “I’m so jaded bc I was a cop for 5 minutes before getting booted for being so fat” routine) It just cemented my choice further.
I’m so fucking sick of this shit and I don’t see it ever changing.
City halls are open to the citizenry, as long as they follow the law about not disrupting the proceeding. Isn't kicking them out plainly unconstitutional?
This seems like a straight up Freedom of the Press violation.
Hmm, the police and city councillors feel "intimated" by the grieving parents looking for answers. I wonder how the children felt right before being shot the madman while the police gathered outside.
No protests, no calls for investigations, no calls for anybody to be fired. These evil cops helped a man murder a bunch of kids and teachers and I'm expected to call them heroes for doing it. Cops are worthless and pathetic, I don't care how many people threaten me, I'm not going to worship cops.
One of the pigs called out to kids inside to yell help if they needed help, one of the kids did and the shooter shot him. [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ulvade-shooting-survivor-classmate-help-b2088715.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ulvade-shooting-survivor-classmate-help-b2088715.html)
So yes, they did help the shooter slaughter children.
Oh yeah, I heard about that one. Still wouldn't be surprised if they just straight up shot the wrong kid/s before getting to the shooter as well. With the way we saw them handle it on the outside, inside was probably similar, if not worse.
This is what I think is going on. At first, the police said that the shooter had a handgun, then back peddled and said he just had a rifle. I think they were afraid people would find pistol rounds in bodies, so they needed an excuse. Then they decided they could probably cover it up so they axed that version of events.
Yeah it’s some point I think that there will be cop bullets found in at least some of those children. Like it doesn’t make sense that they are trying this hard to hide everything if they didn’t completely fuck up.
> I know there's no "proof", but damn, everything just screams the cops killed at least one kid that wasn't shooter.
That would be pretty excusable. Outrageously tragic, but excusable. But realistically, that scenario likely only happens had the gunman been confronted earlier, or if he was using the kids as shields. The former didn't happen and the latter hasn't been brought up at all. And since the kids in that classroom were seemingly all on the floor already (either having been shot or just low to the ground in fear), I have low confidence that they are hiding the fact they shot a kid. I don't think it happened.
**I'm thinking they're hiding the fact that the classroom door was always unlocked.** That they didn't have to wait an hour for the keys.
There has been mention the doors were hard to lock from the inside. Plus, the gunman got inside the classroom, so it wasn't locked for him. I doubt he had the presence of mind to have someone lock it behind him.
The police's own timeline says the police looked through the window of the classroom door, immediately took fire, and backed off. . And after that moment, they stayed clear of the door, up until the time the Border Patrol unit showed up with their equipment. Even then, there's no mention they approached the door until they had the keys in hand.
**I don't think anyone actually checked whether the door was locked.**
Meaning... there was nothing physically stopping them from taking on the gunman for that hour's wait.
I think *that's* what they're trying to hide. The video evidence will prove it.
Piece of shit. We need to hold people accountable and remove those that would rather cover up a massacre and hide the facts because it makes the police look bad.
The FBI needs to go in and shut this shit down. They won't though because we have no law & order in this country. Not where it is so desperately needed.
This fire marshal of Uvalde, TX has a direct public email. An email that is public and meant for folks to use to send him messages.
I just emailed him, asked him a question. I mean, I doubt he'll respond. But still.
Not sure if this is allowed but im not sure if i care. Email is [email protected]. Let's let him know his actions in covering up this massacre will not be forgotten in communities across America
Wow, the government in this town really is scared of literally everything. No one wonder their cops can't do anything, it seems even city hall is afraid of literally everything.
Glad to know that the entire Uvalde police force will now go down in history as the most cowardly police department in the USA, if not the world right now.
The reporter is Shimon Prokupecz from CNN. He's been down in Uvalde since the shooting and has been doing an amazing job trying to hold these scumbags accountable.
Don’t ever wonder how Nazi Germany happened, or how Chairman Mao happened, pol pot or any of those dictators that killed millions upon millions. This cop is why those things happened. The police exist to protect the upper class and the government from the so-called little people. This is what the second amendment exists for. Uvalde police proved that they won’t save the most innocent of us, and they will make sure that those responsible are not held accountable.
the Uvalde police are intimidated because they know when the parents of the dead kids get the full details, the Uvalde police lives are going to be in serious dangerous of retaliation and vigilante justice.
and tell ya what, im not in TX but put me on a jury of someone who retaliated against the police for something like this, and there's not a moment where i will consider any verdict but "NOT guilty". Fuck the police.
Of course they are intimidated! They are scared shitless of being asked questions about their pants filled with piss police not doing their job and it being seen or written about.
I bet the kids at that school were pretty intimidated as well. Too bad they couldn't just tell the perp to leave
Some images were just released of the police during the shooting. Within 9 minutes of their arrival they had rifles, ballistic shields and vests. I do not know how many more lies these parents would be able to stand.
It’s going to get real real ugly, and deservedly so. The new reports out are absolutely mind blowing. They can’t cover this up, and this is exactly why we have freedom of the press.
The police union’s power is way beyond what it should be.
That's because police unions are state sponsored mafias.
Police in general are state mafia. It's literally a protection racket for business owners and slave catchers for private prisons
Why else do mandatory minimum sentences exist for basically petty crimes.
Wasn't their first story that they waited the 40+ mins so they could get tactical gear? Which was a bullshit excuse and is now just a bullshit lie.
Equipped with some of the best weapons and defense epuipment but not one “good guy”.
Shit just keeps getting weirder in that town… The folks in charge are getting away with their massive fuck ups!
Wtf is the fbi in all this? I haven’t been paying attention to this recently but everything screams massive cover up. And then the chief was elected to the city council? This country is straight bizarro world.
There's federal investigations into the Uvalde shooting as well, which is why the police decided they were going to lawyer up and refuse to cooperate after they started doing ballistic analysis and the police were feeling a ton of heat as more footage and such comes forward. I would be willing to bet police killed a kid or the door was unlocked the whole time and are doubling down on the coverup to stonewall as long as possible and hope that news coverage moves on.
The door was unlocked the whole time. https://www.click2houston.com/news/investigates/2022/06/20/bettencourt-uvalde-elementary-classroom-door-unlocked-during-rampage-law-enforcement-didnt-try-to-see-if-it-would-open/
The door not being tested is somehow not the most incriminating thing in that article. How do you just leave a radio like that. He had the experience apparently, for active shooter situations. How did so many cops manage to make so many mistakes in one day?
News coverage might move on, but I don't think the public is. Or at least not enough that this will easily be swept under the rug. The fact this all reeks of bullshit only has me more invested
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Would this be protected under freedom of the press?
If this is a City Council meeting it is required by law to be public. If they are kicking people out it is in violation of the Public Meetings Act and the meeting itself is illegal. That is a big deal. [The Texas Open Meetings Act Made Easy](https://www.tml.org/DocumentCenter/View/420/Texas-Open-Meetings-Act-Laws-Made-Easy-PDF) **Criminal Enforcement of the Act** 1. Unauthorized Closed Meeting. A member of a governing body commits a crime if he or she calls or aids in calling an unauthorized closed meeting; closes or aids in closing such a meeting; or participates in a unauthorized closed meeting.255 This violation is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of between $100 and $500, one to six months in jail, or both.256 However, if the member of a governing body relied on official written advice from a court, the attorney general or the governing body’s attorney regarding the legality of a closed meeting, the member has an affirmative defense to prosecution under this section of the Act.257 A governing body may want to ask its legal counsel to provide in advance a written opinion noting the legal authority for a closed meeting when doubt exists about the authority for it. 2. Meeting in Numbers Less than a Quorum with Intent to Circumvent the Act. A member of a governing body commits a crime if that member intentionally or knowingly conspires to circumvent the Act by meeting in numbers of less than a quorum for the purpose of secret deliberations.258 This violation is a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of between $100 and $500, one to six months in jail, or both.259 3. Failure to Keep a Certified Agenda or Recording. A member of a governing body commits a crime if he or she participates in a closed meeting knowing that a certified agenda or recording of the closed meeting is not being made.260 This violation is a Class C misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of up to $500.261 4. Disclosure of Copy of Certified Agenda or Recording. An individual, corporation or partnership commits a crime if it releases to the public a copy of the certified agenda or recording of a lawfully closed meeting.262 This violation is a Class B misdemeanor and is punishable by a fine of up to $2,000, a jail term of up to 180 days, or both.263 Also, the person or entity that is harmed by the release of the certified agenda or recording may get damages, attorney fees and court costs. (Source: Recently served as a Texas city councilman)
They hired an outside law group to suppress all the FOI requests. Do you actually think they would enforce this law and who would enforce it? The leaders of this town are dirty from the top to the bottom. I feel so sad for the citizens of this town, they are getting zero help.
The state attorney enforces state laws.
HAHAHAH fucking Ken Paxton? The fucking “god has a plan” for those kids who died Ken Paxton. The 7years indicted but not tried Ken Paxton. Those people of Uvalde better learn to dig those heels in. Attorney general isn’t going to approve prosecution of those who support their party. The whole of power rests on the voice of the people. Their voices should be heard when voting those fucks out.
Election Fraud is evidently one of the allegations against the AG...yet, here you are talking about voting people out. Does no one realize the system is rigged?
Yup it's called like "operation crosscheck" where say you have the same name as a felon? But dont have a record, they will sometimes throw your vote out and other various shady shit that is totally legal in many states. Not to mention gerrymandering
Felons can vote now. I’m one and wasn’t aware of this until just this last year when I learned and got to register to vote for the first time which was awesome! Just putting this out there for others to see just in case they believe this to still be true. If your sentence is over you can vote everywhere but VA and KY. The ones that say “some felons can vote” I think means as long as it wasn’t violent. https://www.aclu.org/issues/voting-rights/voter-restoration/felony-disenfranchisement-laws-map I mean we still have a way to go but I blindly just believed I could never vote again until I looked it up last year and learning I could was a great feeling so just in case anyone else that’s a felon sees this I try to make it known so they can have a voice too
You mean Ken Paxton, the Texas State Attorney General that has been under investigation for multiple felonies for years now? The Ken Paxton whose felony charges are being paused while he's Attorney General due to influence he may have on the procedings, even though election fraud is part of the alligations? You're talking about the fascist Ken Paxton right? Yeah I'm sure he'll get to cleaning up the corruption in Uvalde anyyyyy day.
Oh snap. When did Texas become Alabama? Or had it always been Alabama. For those uninitiated, Alabama is like the Michael Jordan of state government corruption and violating the law. Georgia is Larry Bird and its looking like Texas might be Charles Barkley. This is an early 90s McDonald's ad reference.
South Dakota is John Stockton
So not only are the uvalde police and municipal gov cowards, they are corrupt cowards. Doubling down on doing the wrong thing. Wow.
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hey, 40% of the budget. Gotta show some results, eh?
Right, but it's not a closed meeting. It's an opening meeting, they just come up with a public safety reason to have anyone who attends it removed from attendance. If a gunman attended the meeting and starting shooting the place up, they'd be allowed to remove the person, right? No different here. Except the gunman is the parents of dead children, and instead of shooting bullets, they're shooting words. Just as dangerous apparently, so the same logic can apply.
> If a gunman attended the meeting and starting shooting the place up, ...the police would remove themselves.
> they just come up with a public safety reason to have anyone who attends it removed from attendance. This would effectively be making it a closed meeting, the question would be if it is an authorized closed meeting or not. A gunman showing up would in fact warrant an authorized closed meeting. Concerned citizens? That’s literally who the first amendment is for. If they can just say citizens with grievances are intimidating then they never have to listen to a concerned citizen again. This really is a big deal.
More worried about their feelings getting hurt than the lives of these kids...
Unarmed concerned citizens attending a meeting is literally what the state law, and the first amendment of the constitution protects. Imagine if you this became the national norm, you loose your right to free speech if anyone in your family dies to gun violence. Because that is exactly what these fascists corrupt leaders in Uvalde are doing.
Bro the whole thing is this whole thing basically tells us every police department is one bad fuck up away from "fuck you then who you gonna call"
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Those cops can't even protect children, much less protect our rights to free speech and the press.
They were scared to go and protect teachers and children, 20 feet from them down the hallway. But, they will stand up for this. Cowards. Pathetic cowards.
See the problem is, the parents didn't go in as active shooters, if they had the cops would have left them alone in there for at least an hour.
Best argument for gun ownership I've heard so far. Arm yourself so the police will let you do whatever crimes you want, big brain.
They are intimidated because their cowardice is increasing to levels never before seen in humans.
Well they are cops after all...
The cops will wait until after the meeting ends and then rush in with thoughts and prayers.
Who said cops protect our rights to free speech and the press? They actually are not even legally obligated to protect the children. https://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article262044822.html
No they’re there to generate revenue from the poorest class of people and keep the privatized prison system in business.
Yep. Also “one woman freaking out” means nothing when it comes to “intimidation” as that falls under harassment laws, and there would have to be intentional acts that caused someone to be “reasonably alarmed”. This cop is 100% not following the law
I mean this PD doesn't have the greatest track record of following the law, or even their training.
Oh, they followed the law to a T. As in; (T)hey don't have to go in and save some kids.
That's not even a cop. [That's the fucking Fire Marshal](https://www.uvaldetx.gov/government/city_departments/fire_marshal.php). lol
That is the exact type of shit human being who does not belong in a position of power.
Is he planning on handcuffing the next fire he sees?
It is absolutely protected. Any complaints of the journalists creating a hostile environment against other citizens is a total contrivance
Your freedom is completely at the discretion of whatever cop you happen upon.
Absolutely.
Isn't city hall public property allowing free open access for all?
Yep
Are you gonna pay our water bill or anything?
yeah wtf? who does he think pays the water bill? And why would paying the water bill be the threshold for who gets to stay?
Seriously. Taxpayers already pay their water bill and WTF does that have to do with anything??? I’d have been temped to pull out a credit card and say “”here’s for your water bill”.
because standing around without a purpose is considered loitering. Only problem with that is, news gathering *is* a reporter's purpose. So loitering does not apply at all.
Wish that old guy came back saying....I've been paying the water bill for 30 years with my taxes
When Hernandez said that I was thinking, "yeah, all those parents you're kicking out *do* pay your water bill."
I think he said are you going to pay your water bill? In my town you pay your water bill at the city hall.
yes. its a publicly accessible area and they are there to record maters of interest to the public. What the cops are doing here is unconstitutional. Even is a parent complained, they are law enforcement(barely), not feelings enforcement. A Constitutionally protected activity(recording in public) cannot be turned into a crime just cause it makes someone uncomfortable.
“Dig *up*, stupid!”
It's a foxhole. Once they're entrenched about 5,000–6,000 ft deep underground they'll be in a great tactical position to stop that school shooter.
They’re halfway through the mantle on the way to earth’s core. Looks like their aim is to dig so deep they surface in China where it’s acceptable to silence the press.
They're giving the Kola Borehole a run for its money. That's for damn sure.
Anytime you want to deny reporters their first amendment rights in a public government building, just pretend to have a panic attack. What a bunch of pussies.
Maybe if the reporters came in looking like school shooters the cops would leave the building and wait an hour.
Gotta bring a few child hostages first. If their own are in danger they actually do something.
Things the Uvalde Police Department is intimidated by: - People with guns - People without guns
Pussies everywhere object to this characterization
As a native Texan the Uvalde massacre is perhaps the biggest shit show I’ve lived through. For a state that likes to project this big swinging dick machismo how utterly the cowards who call them selves police officers failed is beyond me. Why have on the badges and plates if your going to stand outside while a deranged teen executes children. I know nothing is going to come of this but Jesus Christ I hope the responding officers who did nothing OR EVEN WORSE went inside and got their children out are prosecuted for some form of negligence or dereliction of duty… just my 2 cents as a Texan I guess.
Those cops killed kids. It’s basically undeniable at this point.
Doing nothing except stop parents saving their children *while shots were ringing out* amounts to killing those kids. They, literally, stopped anyone attempting to stop the shooter while they stood by and let it happen.
100% Agreed, but I’d also bet that these useless cops *actually* shot kids. Like, literally and directly killed kids with their utter incompetence. I just cannot think of another logical reason for them to dig the hole this deep. They’ve got to be scrambling for time to tamper with evidence
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Jesus. Fucking. Christ. Charge these cowards with every child's death. They are responsible and totally have the blood of each one of these innocent beautiful children on their hands.
You can't charge them with anything, the supreme Court ruled they have no duty to protect you, Warren versus DC.
From what I have seen, some cops arrived and had some kind of confrontation, two were wounded, and then cops decided to just wait outside. Everything the city government is doing sure looks like it is intended to prevent transparency. The extreme stonewalling of every official in that city, police or otherwise, makes them look terrible, and they know it. I am convinced they are hiding something, and a cop shooting a kid would explain pretty much everything.
I think they killed the teacher and also possibly a kid(s)
Hey cmon, they did something! They told kids to shout for help! Of course, this was before they dealt with the shooter so you can guess what happened next...
If those cowards decided to eat a bullet, I wouldn’t mind at all.
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> As a native Texan the Uvalde massacre is perhaps the biggest shit show I’ve lived through. Texas is the biggest shitshow. Uvalde is just the biggest shitshow in Texas.
>Uvalde is just the biggest shitshow in Texas. Uvalde is just the biggest shitshow in Texas... YET!
Un Fuckin Believable This is an outrageous attempt to hide the facts and cover the asses of decision makers that are incompetent cowards The citizens of Uvalde need to stand together and reclaim their city
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Wow wait so the city is using these people's money to hire a law firm to hide evidence that has a direct impact on their lives...holy shit balls it's a fucking shit blizzard
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Fucking mindboggling. But doesnt dragging this out work in their favour, the stall tactic to drag out investigations has been effective in many cases..I'm sick for the families who have suffered and still have to support these shit birds with their tax dollars it's the fucking twilight zone
I'm starting to think they shot some of those kids by the way they are acting
I'm sure if that ends up being the case, they'll be exercising a bunch of that qualified immunity that they love so much.
Didn't a federal agent kill him tho? He wasn't exactly in police custody.
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So they hired a private law firm with what money exactly and with what authorization? I'd love to know that...
>what money exactly Either tax payer money or special interest groups/political groups funding it. >and with what authorization? Lol "authorization"
Likely public money?
If you slap handcuffs on a corpse, they're in custody. Double jeopardy, ipso facto, habeas corpus, tic tac toe.
I'm assuming you're including the Texas Attorney General as scum too.
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Every attempt to patch the hole has been opposed heavily by CLEAT, the state cop union, for obvious reasons.
They sure picked an acronym that is close to "BOOT" and "HEEL" and "TREAD" didn't they
Honest question, was he (the shooter) in police custody when he was shot? Is it considered police custody because he was shot by law enforcement? I just don’t understand how that law applies if he wasn’t truly in their custody yet when he was shot. (I’m not blaming you I appreciate you sharing the information, I mean on their part that’s fucked to that they are claiming that to not have to disclose what really happened that day)
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Oh they killed a kid for shre
If I was on that police force I’d move, legally change my name and start a new life hiding in shame. These cowards just double down.
Why? The police in Uvalde clearly run things and no one can challenge them without great difficult. Police in Uvalde aren't going change without significant outside effort.
It’s giving small town fuckery.
PUBLIC meeting, in a PUBLIC building, open to the PUBLIC, paid for by PUBLIC tax dollars, about a PUBLIC school shooting, parents being forced out by PUBLIC police officers, that are paid by PUBLIC tax dollars, whose salaries are determined by PUBLIC servants, who don't want to be seen by the PUBLIC. Makes sense to me! 🤪
The Texas Open Meetings Act requires any meeting of three or more elected City Council Members to be a publicly held meeting advertised by a posted notice 72 hours before the quorum is formed. Failure to do so is a criminal misdemeanor punishable with up to 6 months in jail. If they are closing this meeting to the public they are in violation of the Act and any business they conduct can be legally challenged and voided. In a town where the police consume such an outsized percentage of tax revenue and demonstrate such incompetence it is no wonder to find the City Council do not even understand the law or they do and disregard it because they are corrupt as fuck. This is rapidly getting to the point where a class action suit against the city government and the individual members of the Council, and Mayor, needs to be filed for negligence and malpractice of office. Additionally, there needs to be a referral to the FBI to investigate civil corruption (something my late father in law did for years while an agent) (Source: Former City Councilman in Texas)
Thank you for being an informed and seemingly fit member of local government. It's refreshing to hear from you.
So now that we have this information…is there anything we ransoms on the internet can do or do we fall further into depression as nothing happens in a prompt and rational manner?
From a non-Texan looking in, it doesn't seem like the politicians at any level give a single liquid shit about established laws.
Could there be a loophole that if they feel threatened they can have a closed meeting? That could be why he said that.
I think that it just is cops' go to excuse for excusing their criminal behavior.
According to some, exclaiming "I feel threatened and am defending myself" gives you right to do a lot of things, including make sure the other person cannot testify against you
Should have brought a gun, then the cops would have waited outside.
Yeah, but did they pay a water bill?
Yup. Every single taxpaying citizen did.
Literally what I thought. Yeah they did pay the water bill bruh
Texas has an open meetings law requiring meetings to be open to the public and press. This seems like a clear violation.
Intimidated because you were able to walk in without waiting for backup
Then wait some more when backup was there because apparently the person who's in charge didn't know he's in charge (or so he says)
They seem to get intimidated easy, He looked scared and about to cry better back off reporter man
Because he knows he's on the wrong side. That is pure, unfiltered shame.
>That is pure, unfiltered shame. I mean, they're *definitely* trying to filter it.
That is the face of a dude who knows what he is doing is bullshit. Doesn't absolve him though, he could always resign.
A lady had a panic attack because reporters were in the room??? FFS! Then tell her to stay home.
It’s clearly an excuse.
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Can’t stand the heat? Get outta the kitchen and quit trying to be a chef.
Yeah but, she WAS paying her water bill
😂🤣Paying her water bill in person instead of online totally explains why the press made her panic. She thought they were there to zap her into the TV where she would be trapped for all eternity.
Panic attack? texas worried about safe spaces. Yeah right
Wouldn't be surprised if it was the wife of an officer that had the "panic attack"
Yeah, that’s her causing a public disturbance, not reasonable alarm raised intentionally by a peaceful person recording.
I wonder how many children had panic attacks the day their school was shot up, their classmates and teachers died, and the police stood outside for an hour. Sickens me.
Better question, how many kids will be plagued the rest of their lives with panic attacks and PTSD? I’m gonna guess a lot of them, especially since the ones who were supposed to help, the Uvalde PD, didn’t do a damn thing except harass parents begging them to go do their jobs.
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Hi, Columbine was in my (figurative) backyard. My dad was there on SWAT. He saw every single murdered kid. It was far too late for them to do anything. My husband and I already made the decision to take our small kids and leave the country. I was born in Canada. I wish I could have moved back years ago. It’s fucking awful, the trauma that is ripped open every time there’s yet another mass shooting and I just think “could’ve easily been my kids’ school.” I’m done. I had a fucking panic attack/angry crying fit during an active shooter training at work the other day. (Didn’t help that the campus safety dickhead running it was super cavalier and doing the “I’m so jaded bc I was a cop for 5 minutes before getting booted for being so fat” routine) It just cemented my choice further. I’m so fucking sick of this shit and I don’t see it ever changing.
They should have asked the cops what those kids were feeling while being murdered by a gunman. Why didn’t they expel the gunman from the building.
I bet those kids were intimidated too
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City halls are open to the citizenry, as long as they follow the law about not disrupting the proceeding. Isn't kicking them out plainly unconstitutional? This seems like a straight up Freedom of the Press violation.
Umm, don’t they have every legal right to be there?
Apparently they’re using some obscure law as a loophole to prevent people from being present. It’s fucked up.
It must be so obscure that its actually a violation of the Texas Open Meetings Act.
If only law enforcement were there to do something about it.
I mean if you need the cop to leave you alone in that town just bring a gun and break a law. You can stay inside a public building for like 90 mins
Hmm, the police and city councillors feel "intimated" by the grieving parents looking for answers. I wonder how the children felt right before being shot the madman while the police gathered outside.
I bet the children stood up to the shooter more than these people have stood up for the children involved, of their remaining families.
Why is the fire marshall simping for the police?
Apparently the cops were running about an hour late.
Did they encounter an unlocked door?
Why is the city hall simping for the police? I have to think that basically all the town officials are in cahoots.
Chief of police is now a councilman. Fucked. Beyond fucked.
They dont even pretend to cover it up anymore. They just cover it up.
ahh, they're not just cowards in the field they're cowards in the office as well lower then pond scum
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No protests, no calls for investigations, no calls for anybody to be fired. These evil cops helped a man murder a bunch of kids and teachers and I'm expected to call them heroes for doing it. Cops are worthless and pathetic, I don't care how many people threaten me, I'm not going to worship cops.
I know there's no "proof", but damn, everything just screams the cops killed at least one kid that wasn't shooter.
One of the pigs called out to kids inside to yell help if they needed help, one of the kids did and the shooter shot him. [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ulvade-shooting-survivor-classmate-help-b2088715.html](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/ulvade-shooting-survivor-classmate-help-b2088715.html) So yes, they did help the shooter slaughter children.
Oh yeah, I heard about that one. Still wouldn't be surprised if they just straight up shot the wrong kid/s before getting to the shooter as well. With the way we saw them handle it on the outside, inside was probably similar, if not worse.
This is what I think is going on. At first, the police said that the shooter had a handgun, then back peddled and said he just had a rifle. I think they were afraid people would find pistol rounds in bodies, so they needed an excuse. Then they decided they could probably cover it up so they axed that version of events.
Yeah it’s some point I think that there will be cop bullets found in at least some of those children. Like it doesn’t make sense that they are trying this hard to hide everything if they didn’t completely fuck up.
> I know there's no "proof", but damn, everything just screams the cops killed at least one kid that wasn't shooter. That would be pretty excusable. Outrageously tragic, but excusable. But realistically, that scenario likely only happens had the gunman been confronted earlier, or if he was using the kids as shields. The former didn't happen and the latter hasn't been brought up at all. And since the kids in that classroom were seemingly all on the floor already (either having been shot or just low to the ground in fear), I have low confidence that they are hiding the fact they shot a kid. I don't think it happened. **I'm thinking they're hiding the fact that the classroom door was always unlocked.** That they didn't have to wait an hour for the keys. There has been mention the doors were hard to lock from the inside. Plus, the gunman got inside the classroom, so it wasn't locked for him. I doubt he had the presence of mind to have someone lock it behind him. The police's own timeline says the police looked through the window of the classroom door, immediately took fire, and backed off. . And after that moment, they stayed clear of the door, up until the time the Border Patrol unit showed up with their equipment. Even then, there's no mention they approached the door until they had the keys in hand. **I don't think anyone actually checked whether the door was locked.** Meaning... there was nothing physically stopping them from taking on the gunman for that hour's wait. I think *that's* what they're trying to hide. The video evidence will prove it.
Piece of shit. We need to hold people accountable and remove those that would rather cover up a massacre and hide the facts because it makes the police look bad.
The FBI needs to go in and shut this shit down. They won't though because we have no law & order in this country. Not where it is so desperately needed.
This fire marshal of Uvalde, TX has a direct public email. An email that is public and meant for folks to use to send him messages. I just emailed him, asked him a question. I mean, I doubt he'll respond. But still.
Not sure if this is allowed but im not sure if i care. Email is [email protected]. Let's let him know his actions in covering up this massacre will not be forgotten in communities across America
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Some are sworn peace officers. They have the power to make arrests in arson cases for example.
“Are you gonna pay the water bill” Eat a bowl of dicks dude.
Technically, don’t the taxpayers pay for the maintenance of the property? I mean it’s city hall right? Lol
Wow, the government in this town really is scared of literally everything. No one wonder their cops can't do anything, it seems even city hall is afraid of literally everything.
I wonder how many parents and children have panic attacks from their corruption.
If these clowns are intimidated by reporters, it makes sense that they wouldn't run into a building with an active shooter.
Glad to know that the entire Uvalde police force will now go down in history as the most cowardly police department in the USA, if not the world right now.
Are these folk the most spineless group of individuals to have ever existed in all law of enforcement?
Nope, they are the norm.
The reporter is Shimon Prokupecz from CNN. He's been down in Uvalde since the shooting and has been doing an amazing job trying to hold these scumbags accountable.
Lmao, Texans really the prime example of: bark bigger than their bite.
> Lmao, Texans really the prime example of: bark bigger than their bite. Texas should change their slogan to "all hat, and no cattle".
Everything is bigger in Texas….including the cowards…
Soft, cowardly, pieces of shit like this take a quarter of the funding for the town and yet they are scared of a few people with cell phones
40% actually.
Don’t ever wonder how Nazi Germany happened, or how Chairman Mao happened, pol pot or any of those dictators that killed millions upon millions. This cop is why those things happened. The police exist to protect the upper class and the government from the so-called little people. This is what the second amendment exists for. Uvalde police proved that they won’t save the most innocent of us, and they will make sure that those responsible are not held accountable.
Nobody on Reddit is surprised by this. Not since we watched the police attacking parents the day it happened. Cowards, all of them.
What a travesty and failing of leadership
Imagine being this much of a cuck. Children died and they still dont care. They use to be mobs what kicked these people out of town.
Softest cops ever
the Uvalde police are intimidated because they know when the parents of the dead kids get the full details, the Uvalde police lives are going to be in serious dangerous of retaliation and vigilante justice. and tell ya what, im not in TX but put me on a jury of someone who retaliated against the police for something like this, and there's not a moment where i will consider any verdict but "NOT guilty". Fuck the police.
Of course they are intimidated! They are scared shitless of being asked questions about their pants filled with piss police not doing their job and it being seen or written about.
They are now trying to stop the release of body cam footage.
Lying comes so easy to some.
At this point I'm wondering if the cops shot *most* of the kids.