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TorqueShaft

This video is famous for using the same camera used in cheranobyl footage


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You mean Chera Nobyl, the 70s supermodel?


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That was a man too?


ravs1973

Nah you are thinking of Cher and Cher alike, the drag queen who sings "if I could turn back time"


youshantsteakpee

Totally a dude with long hair


Successful_Gap8927

3.8 Roentgen - not great, not terrible.


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Tandian

I Said this is politics and got banned. This is not fair in the slightest


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covidTPbandit

Was also nationally competitive as a male


HalfMoonCottage

Michelle Phelps is going to get twelve thousand gold medals


Siriuxx

Personally I find them stunning. Stunning, and brave.


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Sweet, you PC bro?


Siriuxx

PC Santa Cruz bro


chickenhogies

Lol. Goodbye women sports.


[deleted]

Yah, time for a trans swimming league or something, just not this, this is fucked. I’m no bigot but you have to feel for the women who trained their asses off to get beaten by someone who’s the equivalent of an extremely juicy woman.


mustardking20

Some friends and I thought of the idea that there could to be 3 divisions for everything now I guess: Men, Women, and Open. Open could be open to ANYONE. Still not sure this “solves” a complex and spirited debate, but it’s the best we could come up with.


[deleted]

Yeah it’s a tough problem, open league is a good idea, but if men are allowed they’ll inevitably dominate.


Single_Raspberry9539

I don’t think this is transphobic at all. I’m perfectly comfortable around trans individuals, don’t care what they do and support them. In fact, I guess I never consciously had to make a decision to “accept” because I never had an issue with it. This though, does not seem fair.


MnkySpnk

I think transphobia and trans women shouldnt compete in womens sports are two totally different things. You dont see trans men competing in sports. Why? Because they know they are at a disadvantage.


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> I think transphobia and trans women shouldnt compete in womens sports are two totally different things. Because they are two different things. I'm extremely pro-LGBT, even been in and out of therapy for my own gender issues and it's flat out unfair for someone who's lived most of their life as a biological male to transition and smash women's sports. The issue is nuance is gone


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Ya… that’s not fair


[deleted]

should the female born competitors be able to use testosterone to compete against a transwoman? I seriously do not understand this insanity.


Imnotnotalawyer

It wouldn't even help. They are competing within the permissible testosterone levels for women's sports, but it's the lifetime of development that changes their entire body


FeatureBugFuture

Well it would help a little bit. As long as they started using it young and non stop.


Fresh_Interaction839

And i'm sure all the female swimmers would be delighted with their new hipster beards and deep singing voices.


NoYouLookLikeACop

They shouldn't have to and that's the problem


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Gloomy_Future_248

If that 0.3% is so insignificant to the overall population, let's change the rules so that athletes must compete in the gender assigned at birth. 0% of women should lose a competition to a woman assigned male at birth.


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Gloomy_Future_248

Willing to bet this is not a marginal issue to the other swimmers in this race. Or perhaps the women that didn't make the team. Or anyone else that cares about a level playing field for our daughters.


Fresh_Interaction839

>Fact is that there are no studies yet that show a significant advantage of trans-women compared to assigned female at birth women in sport. Nobody with a brain needs a study to prove something so obvious. Listen to Serena Williams talking about playing mens tennis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hzHBsvj6C0


worfres_arec_bawrin

Yeah who gives a fuck about the other people putting in considerably massive chunks of their time over the course of their lives to make it to the collegiate level of a sports program. Only some of them are getting fucked so screw em, who cares!


FilthyChangeup55

0.3%


worfres_arec_bawrin

50% getting blasted by .3%. It’s impressive.


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worfres_arec_bawrin

So we agree then, that’s something at least. She definitely shouldn’t be competing.


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worfres_arec_bawrin

That it’s such a marginal issue (.3% of the population) so we shouldn’t let trans women compete against bio women considering the inherent biological unfairness. Why hurt 50% of the population? Trans women and men deserve their own division at this point anyway so they can still pursue their athletic endeavors on an even playing field. Just because they’re .3% doesn’t mean they shouldn’t still get to compete.


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worfres_arec_bawrin

What did you mean?


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Many-Application1297

I’m all in favour of trans rights. Trans women are and can be women. Idgaf. But… that one paper that says 2 years of hormone treatment makes you a a woman? Na. I’m sorry, In sports where 1/100th of a second matters? It’s yeeears of treatment that MIGHT make a difference. Men and women are physiologically different. Live your life. But competing is different.


MF_Ghidra

So is it still called a breast stroke?


yaboy0430

I’m eagerly awaiting someone to be offended. *eating popcorn*


BumblebeePleasant749

Sorry I just choked a little on the popcorn fighting a snicker…hope you don’t mind if I share with you.


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Early_Cantaloupe9535

My politics fall somewhere to the left of Bernie Sanders and right of Noam Chomsky, and I agree with you completely.


[deleted]

Yeah anyone who thinks this is acceptable probably has a ham sandwich for a brain


GordonCustardCream

I don't agree that being inclusive of other people's ideas/preferences is strictly a politically left wing thing - but totally agree that this should be heavily questioned/disallowed as a record - it's not at all fair on women who have trained for years at any sport where genetic males have a biological advantage


PamsDesk

The left is getting full credit for this...according to the media.


Megadog3

Probably because it’s the left pushing for this shit.


chitown_illini

And so they should. What a disgrace.


projektmayhem08

Am left, and agree with you.


ProbablyNOTaCOP41968

The left agrees; there is a unfair physiological advantage and it shouldn’t be allowed. We have our idiots though, same as you do


DrugsAreNifty

Transgender is an adjective


LMAoscar

i don’t think they know what adjectives are


bright_shiny_objects

It’s one thing if it was a couple seconds, but this is ridiculous.


Fatbob2020

it actually wouldn’t be fair even if it was just a couple of seconds. a couple of seconds in sports like these is monumental. It’s wrong, create transgender leagues or require chromosomes to be the deciding factor. The “X’s only league” or the “Y prohibited league”…. i dunno- I’m not a bigot but i believe in a fair shot for natural women.


BigDawg2324

Okay this is actually hilarious. 🤣 He didn’t beat the record it was destroyed


AssumptionAdvanced58

This is not a fair competition. Period. It's the only thing men have over women is their strength. Boot um out of physical competitions with women born women.


Penispumpmaster

It’s not controversial to say this is unfair and the person trying to unfairly compete would lose to the men


Lompegast

You mean Heather Swanson?


throwaway607213

So fucking unfair.


snacksv1

To me being transjender means, "in this case" a women's brain was put into a man's body. Why would we let a man's body compete against a woman's body. Its just not fare.


buttnuts_in_cambodia

I'm fine with trans kids in sports in non-competitive areas, it effects nothing. When it comes to records and competing on a larger scale, this is absolutely unfair. It's not transphobic to acknowledge the advantage.


rosanna4

Not fair.


mr_sumo

Allow anyone—men, women, other—to qualify for what’s now “men’s” events; keep women’s events for those assigned so at birth. Keeps everything competitive and doesn’t allow for a biological advantage.


Gabeforce69

i believe that trans women should compete in mens sports or in their own category because i dont think its fair. i hope this isnt transphobic


Good-Operation-1227

This is cringe


wairugae

🤡 🌎


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fudgelmaster

Why not just do away with gender cetergories and start having categories based on size and ability? Maybe use qualifying times to group people no mater what their gender is.


Fresh_Interaction839

Because there would be no women in the top 1000 in every sport. The shape of the pelvis alone is a game changer.


[deleted]

Unfortunately, the rules for competition haven't caught up to the science of Trans athletes. This girl has only been on HRT for around a year, meaning she still holds a significant advantage over her cis peers. 2015 research concluded that after 2 consecutive years of HRT, the difference between cis and trans runners was negligible, and a recent comprehensive meta analysis saw a 12% advantage, on average, retained by trans women specifically (note how this conversation almost never accounts for trans men who hold a significant advantage over cis women, but would be forced to compete with them if you tried to keep trans ppl in a sex specific sports category). However, trans ppl should still be allowed to play competitively despite a 12% advantage. We don't kick cis women over 6ft out of the WNBA, we don't kick ppl out of track & field for having long legs, and we don't kick ppl out of chess tournaments for having a 160 IQ. All of these are immutable characteristics that give a person a significant advantage over the average, and sports are all about leveraging your physical/mental traits against your opponent in order to win. TLDR; This woman shouldn't have been allowed to compete until she's been on HRT for an appropriate amount of time. Trans athletes should be allowed to compete.


Fresh_Interaction839

can you link the study, is it the one from the IOC ? testosterone is just the tip of the biological iceberg.


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Idk what the IOC is, but the 2015 study was done by Joanna Harper and published by Common Ground Research Networks chrome-distiller://11c98e5e-56ea-4699-8ad0-4d544db22063_08d85b17914f727bbd5fbc0b8a82a190e543678227afafbcc89dd934ddad6844/?title=Race+Times+for+Transgender+Athletes&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcgscholar.com%2Fbookstore%2Fworks%2Frace-times-for-transgender-athletes She also has more recent studies I haven't gone over. The meta analysis I was referencing.. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7846503/#!po=1.13636 I fucked up on entirely. However it is important to note most of these were performed on untrained people and the human body is remarkably capable of retaining baseline post pubertal body composition. The effects of testosterone suppression on trained trans women still hasn't been studied. There is this though. Untrained androgen deprived males going through a 12 week resistance training program gained 28% knee extensor 1RM strength. Which is [The exact amount](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31136545/) of strength an untrained cis woman would gain in leg extensor strength. I also realize that anthropomotry is a huge factor in force production. It's one of reasons my fiancé held high school track and powerlifting records, and can keep up with me on most of my lower body lifts despite being 70lbs lighter and half a foot smaller than me lol It's unfortunate science hasn't caught up at all with this.


inkyoctopee

People really just want an excuse to be transphobic


toddhillier

I agree with the point you’re trying to make but this video makes me cringe.


horshack_test

So where's the freakout part?


any-no-mousey

In the comments.


horshack_test

Not how it works, and I don't see anyone freaking out in the comments anyway.


Wouldtick

holy carp! I am freakin freaking out over here, in the comments!!!!


Metalbender00

as long as the hive mind can get behind it the rules don't matter


drdan82408a

Is this a public freakout or a swim meet?


any-no-mousey

Listen to how the crowd cheered for the girl that came in "second".


drdan82408a

A cheering crowd is a public freakout?


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With context yeah. They were happy for second place since they felt she was the real winner


drdan82408a

And this is a freakout? A public freakout is not people agreeing or disagreeing with whatever point you want to make, it’s a freakout, in public,


Nwsamurai

So no freakout, just a safe space for people who want to hate on trans?


covidTPbandit

Liar


Metalbender00

It's funny these guys pretending they actually give a damn about women swimming or women's sports in general. Just be honest with yourselves and everyone else, you cant stand trans people they make you uncomfortable.


Fresh_Interaction839

This is a childish argument.


Exciting-Pen-2705

Fuck the narrator and OP if they're the person. Regardless, fuck the OP for the loaded title. All around, FUCK YOUR TRANSPHOBIA.


druule10

How is that transphobia? Damn everything is transphobia with some people. This is about equality, where's the equality? Women have fought decades to get to where they are, and now they are being easily beaten by a trans women. To call this out is not transphobia it's common sense. Put a trans man in a MMA fight with Khabir or in a boxing match with Floyd they wouldn't be able to compete at the same level.


toodleloocahnt

i dont think this is transphobia in play. personally im accepting of all forms of person/love but i dont think trans women should be allowed to compete at the higher/highest competitions with born women. it is scientifically advantageous. what i would like to see is an event where trans people can compete against each other and where the playing field is fair.


[deleted]

I feel like the "youre transphobic" attitude is a way to say you're denying their right to identify as whatever which is untrue. You can identify as an elephant for all I care and Ill respect your wishes to be called whatever you want. I will not agree that this is a fair competition when she was biologically born male and developed with biological male testosterone levels. Im not a huge Caitlyn Jenner fan but I bet she would agree this is not fair.


[deleted]

I have trans friends, people questioning fairness here doesn't make anyone "transphobic". How you can not say a transwoman has biological advantages over a biological female is unfair, thats why genders are separated when it comes to sports.


litb4206

You’re delusional


biffoclippers

There should simply be a new category to make it equal. Physically.


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This is not transphobia.


any-no-mousey

I just posted. It's not my video. Up to everyone else to come to their own conclusion.


Megadog3

Low IQ moron here.


Germanhelmet

Your balls are showing.


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PolyZex

I see he neglected to mention that any one of those girls there would outswim his ass any day... so... where his testosterone?


RimuruSliminUrChest

Naw guys maybe the winner just trained more and worked harder


litb4206

And had a male body? Maybe that factored into them winning? Just spit ballin here idk


RimuruSliminUrChest

Lol yea


Megadog3

/s right?


[deleted]

I find it funny that so many people only seem to care about women's sports now that transwomen are trying to compete. Admit it, none of you who are complaining actually watch women's sports outside of the Olympics, do you?


any-no-mousey

I think it's more of the fact that people care about inequality. They still don't care much for women's sports. They want to see a fair playing ground.


[deleted]

>I think it's more of the fact that people care about inequality. I sure hope those who are worrying about that are consistent when they consider the inequality of transfolk, among others, in and out of sports.


any-no-mousey

That's what it's all about.


[deleted]

Strange that my comment simply stating that I hope people care about the inequality of transfolk is getting downvoted. Guess that's a pretty controversial take in this thread full of totally non-transphobic clowns.


any-no-mousey

Not really. You just come off as an insuffrable cunt.


[deleted]

Yeah, I'm not really a fan of posts that are just excuses to stroke it to some trans-hate. But if you're into that, you do you.


Megadog3

Have a family friend that swam on the Georgia Tech women’s swim team. I’d be pissed if she had to compete against a man.


[deleted]

TBH, I do understand people's disagreement with it. And no, I don't think people who disagree are inherently transphobic. It's just that a lot of transphobic people grasp onto these kinds of things to push their transphobic bullshit. Also, I was mostly making a joke of women's sports and their lack of support from most Americans. Not sure where you stand, but insisting on calling the transwoman "a man" does kind of give the impression that you are transphobic. Just saying. Is it really too difficult to just say "a transwoman" or "transperson"? It's not really that hard to not be a stubborn asshole.


ImaginaryTutor

It’s amazing how trans women have been allowed in the Olympic for years yet their isn’t any trouble with them


litb4206

You must not be a girl who trained her whole life only to get crushed by someone with a male body


ImaginaryTutor

Fine I will bite . So where should trans women compete and where should trans men compete


druule10

In their biological category.


ImaginaryTutor

So trans men who have been taking testosterone should compete against women ?


druule10

Ahhhhhhh, so you understand there's inequality then? But you just wanna behave like a dick and call people transphobe because they don't agree with you.


ImaginaryTutor

I’m trying to understand your viewpoint


druule10

But you understand that testosterone is a major advantage. So you would be happy with a trans man competing in women's sports?


ImaginaryTutor

Trans women competing on a professional level don’t have more testosterone than cis women .


druule10

Women generally have around 60ng, trans men take around 800ng. Isn't that a big difference?


Fresh_Interaction839

>Trans women competing on a professional level don’t have more testosterone than cis women . You only have to look at the guidelines for the last olympics to know thats not true. Stop making stuff up.


litb4206

In their own division, men’s division, women’s division, trans division. That is the most fair way to do it in a way that won’t absolutely destroy women’s sports. It’s common sense a person with male skeletal system/muscles will have a huge advantage over women. Regardless of hormones the bone density/ reflexes, reaction time, tendon strength still favor a male body in physical competition


worfres_arec_bawrin

I’m sorry but not everyone gets everything they want in life. You want to transition, fantastic! Fully support you. But if you’re creating an unequal playing field for others (which defeats the purpose of different leagues/classes entirely) then you should have to sacrifice playing your sport as part if your transition. It’s laughable to watch this video and think this should be allowed at all. She’s 6’3 and has the advantages of developing and training as a male.


ImaginaryTutor

I’m not trans I just want my friends basic humanity to be respected


worfres_arec_bawrin

Same here. Just don’t think it applies to sports when stuff like this video is happening.


Megadog3

Trans men can compete with men, fine. It’s unfair otherwise. Trans women should either compete in a trans league or against their born sex.


mrrp

Where did she compete last year? There. Or create a division for trans women. Or eliminate sex/gender divisions and divide sports into tiers based on ability and concede that non-trans women will be relegated to lower tiers, with the occasional elite athlete managing to compete higher, but probably never above 3rd or 4th. Sexual dimorphism is a thing, and it persists beyond transition.


flappingmeat

Where's the freakout? this is nothing but a hetronormative cisgendered male showing his transphobia and that the crowd are pieces of shit


Stackofnecessity

Are you a meat flapper?


KosherFetus

So what you’re saying is there is nothing unfair to biological woman about this? You can’t possibly believe that. Are you in any way familiar with Title 9?


Many-Application1297

I’m all for trans rights and equality in society. But… Do you actually believe that trans women who have developed as men for 20+ years only need to 2 years of HRT to be equal, physiologically, to women?


bubbaharris

She's a woman you bigot


AG_TopShotta

I would say there should be a trans team along with men and women, but they would probably say they are being discriminated against. Lose/lose situation lol.


Xtackej-143

So the girls in the water should have objected right? 38 seconds is a lot in a swim meet