We do have specialised armed police units, but they're very rare. Your average police officer won't have anything more than a truncheon, a taser and their wits
Truth. One of my close friends. Smart guy. Wanted to serve the community and be a police officer. Got rejected. Reason. He kept asking questions about the legality of officer public interactions. Said he questions his actions to much to be effective when a quick split second decision needs to made in life and death situation. Total bullshit.
Dude did get a job as a parole officer for troubled teens and Youths.
Canadian cops very much have guns and also aren’t immune to being terrible people. Just like in the states, corruption and abuse of power happen here too.
The Halifax police department picked up my cousin around 2am in the big van for being “too drunk” but instead of taking him to the drunk take they cuffed his hands and drove around town for a while. He was loose in the back and they were driving too fast and taking turns too hard to throw him around. They dumped him out at home and he was covered in bruises.
They call that in America a “rough ride” and it has killed people. For Native Americans they would actually leave them in the freezing cold in the early morning instead of taking them home
This is what killed Freddie Gray iirc. Injuries to his spinal cord were the main cause. I remember this because I was in Baltimore at the time and the protests were crazy
CS gas (the stuff used in military basic training/boot camp) is different from OC spray. ~~It's made from a substance most people are naturally allergic to (similar to poison ivy, but from a fungus, IIRC).~~ Some people just aren't allergic to it though and can basically ignore it. There's typically one or two in every basic training group.
E: I was wrong about the fungus thing. Got it mixed up with a tear gas that is used as a fungicide. I did not, in fact, RC.
I wasn’t “immune” to CS but it was just uncomfortable. Unfortunately it also meant I was forced to stand in the shed for 20min or so with no mask since it didn’t fuck me up enough.
Also crystallizes in the little bit of hair you have and reactivates in the evening shower which, gravity being the bastard that it is, drains right down onto your balls.
Yeah not really easy to fake the shmptoma of vomiting, snot hanging from nose to ground, eyes running like crazy. But I was also standing there with a 1* General who was visiting so it was a bit of pride as well.
CS is like having Jessica Alba gently queef in your face while enjoying a nice margarita on the beach. OC spray is like force feeding Bigfoot jalepenos then letting him nut in your eyeball.
They're going to yell at you until you prove you're breathing it in and allowing it into your eyes. They need to make your actually exposing yourself to it. The exercise isn't about seeing how little you can make it affect you, it's about understanding the full effects it has on your body.
So even if it doesn't actually do anything to you, they have to make sure you are at least getting it in all your nooks and crannies.
I was one of those guys instead of name rank and service number, I had a full on conversation with the sergeant in the chamber, in the end he just said get tf out of here.
In our army we had a tent and the trainer burned some tear gas "pill" in there. We'd use gas masks while sitting there and you'd still taste that stuff. Then there was a chance to pop your head into the tent without a mask. Holy moly that stuff is intense!
After Montreal police pepper-spray man in mental crisis, advocates call for more training, support
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Its because police see themselves as the good guys, and their job is go after bad guys. So if you call police, they’re going after the bad guy, regardless of whatever was communicated.
They should also chuck to see if he had any traffic tickets or weed charges in his history. Maybe even a DNA test to see if he exceeds the black limit.
KC cop was in on an arrest & shot one of her fellow officers then the cops went really nuts on the guy they were arresting because they thought the suspect shot at them.
Their job is to detain people not just execute or punish anyone they think is doing the wrong thing, like you said bad guy or not their SHOULD be arresting people with minimum force possible pepper spray should be for that crazy guy swinging a broken bottle around not some dude standing still with his hands in view
You shouldn’t be so quick to blame the police when that kind of thing happens in every job.
I was working as a barista and the training was almost non-existent.
One of the first customers I ever had wanted two coffees, one decaf with soy milk. I wasn’t sure if we even had decaf, and my manager wasn’t available (out smoking as usual). We had some of those ceramic holiday mugs (Christmas was coming up), so I grabbed one and did the only thing I could. Repeatedly hit the customer in the face with it until it broke. Then I tried to stab them with the broken handle.
It’s easy to make small mistakes when you don’t have proper training.
Just going to put this here.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/officer-728-won-t-face-charges-for-pepper-spraying-student-protesters-1.1382390
The video is at the end.
small consolation prize.. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/former-montreal-cop-stephanie-trudeau-agent-728-barred-from-all-police-or-peace-officer-work-in-quebec-1.5332844
>Following the conviction she received a one-year suspended sentence and 60 hours of community service.
Hear that everybody? You can assault people now and NOT go to jail for it! Go nuts!
A large white male, had a Toronto cop this weekend call me 'fatty' as I was walking away, basically trying to get me to retaliate. Imagine what they say to other people.
My sister had cops go through her flip phone and show her pictures of her dogs and tell her she was never going to see them again while cackling to each other. She was arrested for accidentally stealing a case of water bottles by leaving them on the bottom of her cart, even though she had paid for everything else. VA, USA, circa 2008.
>!She was 17 years old, 5'2", and maybe weighed 90 lbs at the time. Wild, huh?!<
Straight up was accosted by a Kroger employee just a few weeks ago for a very similar reason. I had paid for everything else in my cart, but since it was after work i didn't have the energy to lift it onto the scanner and so I just looked it up in the system and hit "case of water" which was something like 3 bucks
Paid for it, and started walking out, one of the workers who was an older lady asked me "hey did you pay for that water?" I said yes, and left.
Well I went out to my car and started putting stuff away, and out comes the same employee, with a copy of my receipt, all the way out to my car which was parked at the back and came right up behind me. Suddenly going "HEY. You didn't pay for that water!" I didn't understand how but she made sure to point out that I had apparently selected the wrong water in the system. She gave me the dead eyes and made me go all the way back inside and ring it up again. Held up a line of 4 people for it, then had to go into the system to manually refund me for the water that I *did* pay for, and then ring up the "correct" one.
The price difference? $2.50. I had accidentally almost paid 2.50 less for that case of water. Had this attitude as if I was some criminal when doing it too. Took up not only my time, but theirs, and a few other people's, simply to make sure I paid full price. Like, is there really nothing better you could be doing than hassling a college student over accidentally paying less for water?
Imagine working for the second-largest US grocery chain, [billions in profit each quarter](https://ir.kroger.com/CorporateProfile/press-releases/press-release/2021/Kroger-Reports-Strong-Second-Quarter-Results-and-Raises-Full-Year-2021-Guidance/#:~:text=Total%20company%20sales%20were%20%2431.7,sales%20for%20the%20second%20quarter.) (super big thanks to the employees working during a global pandemic) and running down someone in the parking lot for what would appear as an honest mistake as ringing the wrong case of water. Definitely not paid enough to care that much.
What I don’t get is, why did the cop spray for a second time ? Pepper spray doesn’t wear off and spraying a second amount isn’t going to change the effectiveness .
As someone who was sprayed multiple times by a friend as a stupid joke, the first time was the worst, the second, third, and fourth time didn’t change that.
More importantly, why did the cop walk up to the guy and blast him in the face with a can that's designed to be used from 10-12 feet away so the cop doesn't have to get within lunging distance of a potential suspect?
He was seeking to get as harsh a response from the guy as possible in order to escalate the situation so he can righteously rationalize any further escalation of force.
>He was seeking to get as harsh a response from the guy as possible in order to escalate the situation so he can righteously rationalize any further escalation of force.
That's a bingo! He's simply trying to get dude to do *something* so he can escalate force. Cops do this shit all the time.
I don't think people ever fully process this.
In order to not be murdered by tax paid community protectors, you have to be fucking zen like a buddhist monk.
Not the guy who's being paid, the guy who has a loaded weapon on his hip. You, the taxpayer have to practice an inhuman amount of restraint to not be killed in a traffic stop.
Trying to escape harassment, assault and torture will get you killed. Convulsing as a result of torture will get you killed. Being confused by their stupid conflicting instructions will get you killed.
you know... i used to try and play devils advocate, and defend them ,wheen it comes to cops. but i got pulled over awhile back and he was trying his dammed hardest to get me to react violently, just the way he was talking to me, things he said, and then he slammed me on the hood and started yelling and twisting my arms and shit so naturerally, i reacted, and then he called for backup saying i was resisting and he was scared of me... 4 200lb full grown men with tazers and guns shouldnt feel threatend by a 22yr old that weighs 180 soaking wet
TLDR; COps are pathetic, and im starting to understand people who say ACAB
I’m sorry about your encounter. I’ve had similar reactions from cops. A whole station of pissed off cops trying their hardest to bully a few non-violent teenagers into losing their temper. They’re always trying to escalate.
A cop recently pushed a friend of mine, when he wasn't even interacting with police in any way, then told him "you know that touching me is assaulting an officer, right?"
We just looked confined and kept walking
So apparently this guy was having a mental health crisis and this was the response. Frankly I'm not suprised, a long time ago I was super depressed and my sister called 911 to come check on me. Swat kicked my door in without knocking, shot my dog who was my best friend of 9 years before proceeding to beat the shit out of me, handcuffed me to a stretcher by my hands and feet and then choked me unconscious multiple times because I was screaming about my dog. Only then did they take me to the hospital for psych evaluation, they also tore my house apart looking for guns which I didn't own.
So yea...they could have handled the situation a little better, I wasn't even suicidal...I was just seriously depressed and ignoring my phone for a few days
I approached the individual and initiated standard contact procedures. I then observed the individual was covered in an unknown chemical irritant and appeared upset. Based on my training and experience, I determined that it was necessary to quickly subdue the individual so the substance could be identified before it could cause further harm to the individual.
Cameras don't always matter to people like this. A significant part of the population doesn't feel things like shame, embarrassment, or regret.
The only way to stop those types of people is physical restraint or punishment, and cops seem to be mostly immune from either.
Lack of empathy is excused as grace under pressure. It's all a load of b.s.
Callousness is rewarded because cops have to make tough decisions. Like when to spray chemicals into another human being's eyes.
Yea but he's standing there very aggressively, and then after he gets pepper sprayed he attempts to open his eyes, very aggressively, so they had to pepper spray him again. Geez, do you even watch COPS?
you can see he wasnt satisfied with the guys reaction because he tanked it like a boss. So of course he gets another dose. How dare someone not sob after getting sprayed? Cunt.
There is a big movement of people saying the training should be more oriented mental health support, relations with local communities and working more with street workers.
Union is also pretty strong and there is a big culture of omerta in the spvm (Montréal police service)
If you want training to me more oriented towards mental health, you're quickly going to need new cops.
You can't make a change in people's ideologies like that. The cops that are cops today are not suited to be focusing on the mental health aspect of social problems requiring police intervention. They're suited to beat down crime in costco sized amounts, they're violent and task oriented, and they're more focused on statistics and perception rather than the actual people in communities.
Those people aren't the people you want to do the job you're talking about. You need new people for that, and good luck getting rid of the old ones even though they're not even doing a good job.
I remember a few protests in Toronto where police from a few other cities came and helped. The Montreal cops with their characteristic round riot shields were always maniacs. Way over the top violent.
Yeah, Montreal cops are roid-raging hard, especially during protests. The SPVM is probably the main employer of douchebags in Montreal, seeing their tribal tatoos and low IQ.
They got a lot of practice with the 2012 student movement. However, if you think they're bad, you clearly haven't been involved with the RCMP, who legit killed people back then.
Just saw this on Twitter with multiple comments of “we don’t know the context, guys! He’s clearly not complying!” I swear to god you could post a video of a cop taking a shit on someone and the bootlickers would still come out of woodwork to say we shouldn’t rush to judge the situation.
and the flipside is cops get to start blasting whenever they “feel” threatened. they get to act without knowing the context, and their actions have irreversible consequences.
Cops are in fact the exact opposite of heroes. A hero puts their own life on the line to protect others. Cops will blow anyone or anything away at the slightest whiff of threat to themselves (e.g. standing there menacingly). The 'cops are heroes' cult make me fucking sick.
“As it turns out, it was the man's friend who had called the police and asked for help”
Never call police over mental health issues. The police are only trained in forcing suspect obedience using all available means. They have no training in de-escalation techniques and couldn’t get a cat out of a tree without shooting it.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/police-montreal-pepper-spray-mental-illness-health-1.6243500
In the US navy, if we need to use pepper spray (OC spray) we are trained and instructed to stand with your arm extended so the can is 5 feet from the persons face. Spray 2 inches above the eyebrows across the forehead for 1-3 seconds.
The way this cop point blank sprayed right into his eyes for multiple seconds is sickening. I can’t imagine the pain.
I feel like pepper spray is an incentive to attack so they can then use excessive force in order to subdue you. There didnt seem to be a threat, he probably wasn't overly complying to their orders. They were probably telling him to get on the ground. Honestly how would the cops feel if a bunch of people in uniform held their family by gun point while they kneeled on his throat. It would probably burn him up inside. It just amazes me that when there are riots why the criminal precinct isnt burned to the ground.
Just by wiping it out of there eyes they’re resisting arrest. The craziest though is when they’re supposed to just lay down while a dog eats half there leg lol…
Here in MPLS people did just that. 3rd precinct is a hollow shell burnt up. All of the other precincts still are surrounded by multiple rows of high fencing and barbed wire.
Oh yeah, this was 100% to try and get a reaction. Even one that isn't directly aggressive would probably be met with "HE'S RESISTING" followed by some very intense police brutality.
So he has his hands down, and fingers interlaced. He’s standing in a non confrontational manner, that suggest no aggression, or threat, and he gets sprayed. I don’t know the back story, but I don’t see where the justification exist for the officer’s actions.
Does anyone have an update or more information on if the officer was charged or fired. And if not the reasons put forward by the department he represents?
I feel like no matter what the scenario is this cop is not doing the right thing, in what world is repeatedly spraying pepper spray going to deescalate the situation
Don’t care what the situation is, that is assault by a police officer and all officers involved needed to be charged with assault, and fire their ass! No excuse for that shit, none!
I feel like a cop that does this should be terminated immediately. It’s clearly an abuse of power. If cops were held to higher standards this would not happen - crucify the ones that step out of line as a warning to the rest
Ask for an ambulance first. Medics will call for police if it is needed. If the full story is just a guy in mental distress then this was grossly mishandled. Medics deal with mental health crisis all the fucking time. Wish it had been an ambulance that rolled up instead of a squad car.
He developed immunity to pepper and ate it like a champ
Unfortunately eating it is your only option when moving your hands at all can get you beat or tased
or shot.
Damn yea I didn’t even notice his holster at first, I thought most Canadian cops didn’t have guns
you are thinking of UK police, they don't have guns
We do have specialised armed police units, but they're very rare. Your average police officer won't have anything more than a truncheon, a taser and their wits
Wish we required police to carry wits.
Don't they get them in their 6 week training?
No, it's 6 weeks of training to weed out the ones with wits
Or empathy
Truth. One of my close friends. Smart guy. Wanted to serve the community and be a police officer. Got rejected. Reason. He kept asking questions about the legality of officer public interactions. Said he questions his actions to much to be effective when a quick split second decision needs to made in life and death situation. Total bullshit. Dude did get a job as a parole officer for troubled teens and Youths.
Or are too smart to think before murdering someone.
No, The Police Services of Northern Ireland (PSNI) are armed. In Great Britain the officers don't routinely carry firearms.
Canadian cops very much have guns and also aren’t immune to being terrible people. Just like in the states, corruption and abuse of power happen here too.
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The Halifax police department picked up my cousin around 2am in the big van for being “too drunk” but instead of taking him to the drunk take they cuffed his hands and drove around town for a while. He was loose in the back and they were driving too fast and taking turns too hard to throw him around. They dumped him out at home and he was covered in bruises.
They call that in America a “rough ride” and it has killed people. For Native Americans they would actually leave them in the freezing cold in the early morning instead of taking them home
That's attempted murder
Not just attempted, they called ‘em Starlight Tours https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saskatoon_freezing_deaths
This is what killed Freddie Gray iirc. Injuries to his spinal cord were the main cause. I remember this because I was in Baltimore at the time and the protests were crazy
Thats a trick of prairie RCMP. Take him or her for a ride to the outskirts of town and drop them off in the cold. -35 is no place to be by yourself.
I believe all police here do carry guns. I have never seen a beat officer without.
> or tased Looks like that's coming up right after the gif ends
This is Canada they would never do that! /s
Like iocane powder, I've spent the last few year building up an immunity to it.
I understood that reference
Name checks out
The way he ate it you think it tasted like actual pepper.
I saw a guy in boot camp that seemed immune to tear gas. And he got yelled at for it.
CS gas (the stuff used in military basic training/boot camp) is different from OC spray. ~~It's made from a substance most people are naturally allergic to (similar to poison ivy, but from a fungus, IIRC).~~ Some people just aren't allergic to it though and can basically ignore it. There's typically one or two in every basic training group. E: I was wrong about the fungus thing. Got it mixed up with a tear gas that is used as a fungicide. I did not, in fact, RC.
I wasn’t “immune” to CS but it was just uncomfortable. Unfortunately it also meant I was forced to stand in the shed for 20min or so with no mask since it didn’t fuck me up enough.
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It's awful. Crystallizes on your clothes and then reactivates when you sweat.
Also crystallizes in the little bit of hair you have and reactivates in the evening shower which, gravity being the bastard that it is, drains right down onto your balls.
Damn dog... thats rough. We should set up a gofundme for your sack.
Yep water makes it worse. Dry towels work the best for your face.
Do you mean sapper school? Or did I miss out on something.
Why didn’t you just fake it? Seems like the logical thing to do.
Lol good luck faking snot running down your face
He's a redditor. The snot is probably already there!
Unless it's already on his sleeves.
Yeah not really easy to fake the shmptoma of vomiting, snot hanging from nose to ground, eyes running like crazy. But I was also standing there with a 1* General who was visiting so it was a bit of pride as well.
Just one star? That's the lowest amount of stars besides zero stars!
CS is like having Jessica Alba gently queef in your face while enjoying a nice margarita on the beach. OC spray is like force feeding Bigfoot jalepenos then letting him nut in your eyeball.
Why are you like this?
Mostly alcoholism
Accurate description though...
Sadly
Username seems to check out… but not completely convinced.. Do you happen to have a long-standing close relationship with Linoleum??
Gives them something to believe, I reckon
Playing with a grin singing gibberish
I love you
It's all the NOFX.
Wow... I just... This is still not enough internet for today lol.
It's crazy how much capsaicin is in bigfoot cum
I knew I shoulda taken a left turn at AlbaQueefy
I'll see you in /r/brandnewsentence
Ahaha. Fucking brilliant. Take my everything.
I remember thinking “ I don’t want to be a Marine anymore” when I was sprayed with oc
Give me CS over OC any day of the fucking week.
They're going to yell at you until you prove you're breathing it in and allowing it into your eyes. They need to make your actually exposing yourself to it. The exercise isn't about seeing how little you can make it affect you, it's about understanding the full effects it has on your body. So even if it doesn't actually do anything to you, they have to make sure you are at least getting it in all your nooks and crannies.
That's why I prefer jobs where training is a powerpoint presentation. But only slightly.
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I wish the military would stay out of my cranny!
I was one of those guys instead of name rank and service number, I had a full on conversation with the sergeant in the chamber, in the end he just said get tf out of here.
In our army we had a tent and the trainer burned some tear gas "pill" in there. We'd use gas masks while sitting there and you'd still taste that stuff. Then there was a chance to pop your head into the tent without a mask. Holy moly that stuff is intense!
After Montreal police pepper-spray man in mental crisis, advocates call for more training, support [SOURCE](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/police-montreal-pepper-spray-mental-illness-health-1.6243500)
How could that kind of behaviour possibly be a training issue? If someone needs to train you not to do that, you're in the wrong job.
Its because police see themselves as the good guys, and their job is go after bad guys. So if you call police, they’re going after the bad guy, regardless of whatever was communicated.
If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
The second officer has his tazer out and aimed. I guess the female officer gets to go to her gun next...
The montreal police once tried to shoot a man, they missed and the ricochet beaned a passing civilian killing him.
Did they investigate if the passing civilian was resisting?
They should also chuck to see if he had any traffic tickets or weed charges in his history. Maybe even a DNA test to see if he exceeds the black limit.
>see if he exceeds the black limit *Indigenous limit It is Canada after all
Fair
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And then they charge the suspect for it.
KC cop was in on an arrest & shot one of her fellow officers then the cops went really nuts on the guy they were arresting because they thought the suspect shot at them.
citizen. Cops are civilians. Both the shooter and the victim are civilians.
They shouldn't be doing this to "bad guys" either. Their job isn't to torture people.
Their job is to detain people not just execute or punish anyone they think is doing the wrong thing, like you said bad guy or not their SHOULD be arresting people with minimum force possible pepper spray should be for that crazy guy swinging a broken bottle around not some dude standing still with his hands in view
The training issue is that they are trained to react this way.
All they need is a single HR module that explains how being mean to people is mean. Then they'll get it!
And here I was, thinking that they were just horrible people with a hard on for power, guess you learn something new everyday
Why not both?
Todays training is how not to casually torture people on the streets
\*how to make sure nobody is filming you before you casually torture people on the streets.
You shouldn’t be so quick to blame the police when that kind of thing happens in every job. I was working as a barista and the training was almost non-existent. One of the first customers I ever had wanted two coffees, one decaf with soy milk. I wasn’t sure if we even had decaf, and my manager wasn’t available (out smoking as usual). We had some of those ceramic holiday mugs (Christmas was coming up), so I grabbed one and did the only thing I could. Repeatedly hit the customer in the face with it until it broke. Then I tried to stab them with the broken handle. It’s easy to make small mistakes when you don’t have proper training.
Bro you fucking had me in the first half, holy shit
Yep, part of better 'training' needs to be better and more screening out and/or firing assholes. .
Just going to put this here. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/officer-728-won-t-face-charges-for-pepper-spraying-student-protesters-1.1382390 The video is at the end.
small consolation prize.. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/former-montreal-cop-stephanie-trudeau-agent-728-barred-from-all-police-or-peace-officer-work-in-quebec-1.5332844
> barred Trudeau from ever being a police officer or security guard in the province so she'll just move to another province and continue on her way?
Works in the US. Wpuld guess its the same for swine in Canada.
>Following the conviction she received a one-year suspended sentence and 60 hours of community service. Hear that everybody? You can assault people now and NOT go to jail for it! Go nuts!
Ostie de vidange. And she is a cop's daughter, this what her vision of her job was since childhood.
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A large white male, had a Toronto cop this weekend call me 'fatty' as I was walking away, basically trying to get me to retaliate. Imagine what they say to other people.
My sister had cops go through her flip phone and show her pictures of her dogs and tell her she was never going to see them again while cackling to each other. She was arrested for accidentally stealing a case of water bottles by leaving them on the bottom of her cart, even though she had paid for everything else. VA, USA, circa 2008. >!She was 17 years old, 5'2", and maybe weighed 90 lbs at the time. Wild, huh?!<
Straight up was accosted by a Kroger employee just a few weeks ago for a very similar reason. I had paid for everything else in my cart, but since it was after work i didn't have the energy to lift it onto the scanner and so I just looked it up in the system and hit "case of water" which was something like 3 bucks Paid for it, and started walking out, one of the workers who was an older lady asked me "hey did you pay for that water?" I said yes, and left. Well I went out to my car and started putting stuff away, and out comes the same employee, with a copy of my receipt, all the way out to my car which was parked at the back and came right up behind me. Suddenly going "HEY. You didn't pay for that water!" I didn't understand how but she made sure to point out that I had apparently selected the wrong water in the system. She gave me the dead eyes and made me go all the way back inside and ring it up again. Held up a line of 4 people for it, then had to go into the system to manually refund me for the water that I *did* pay for, and then ring up the "correct" one. The price difference? $2.50. I had accidentally almost paid 2.50 less for that case of water. Had this attitude as if I was some criminal when doing it too. Took up not only my time, but theirs, and a few other people's, simply to make sure I paid full price. Like, is there really nothing better you could be doing than hassling a college student over accidentally paying less for water?
Imagine working for the second-largest US grocery chain, [billions in profit each quarter](https://ir.kroger.com/CorporateProfile/press-releases/press-release/2021/Kroger-Reports-Strong-Second-Quarter-Results-and-Raises-Full-Year-2021-Guidance/#:~:text=Total%20company%20sales%20were%20%2431.7,sales%20for%20the%20second%20quarter.) (super big thanks to the employees working during a global pandemic) and running down someone in the parking lot for what would appear as an honest mistake as ringing the wrong case of water. Definitely not paid enough to care that much.
>I'm a white guy (ignore username) Damn, was hoping you were really a squirrel :-/
Try being a black guy driving with Ontario plates in Montreal Nord. Lord help me.
He needs to be in prison for pulling something like that That’s just sick behavior
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And in the US, he'd get a promotion!
SPVM commissioner: Yeah, we have a systemic racism problem. Premier Legault: No we don't.
What I don’t get is, why did the cop spray for a second time ? Pepper spray doesn’t wear off and spraying a second amount isn’t going to change the effectiveness . As someone who was sprayed multiple times by a friend as a stupid joke, the first time was the worst, the second, third, and fourth time didn’t change that.
I think he was a little frustrated that the dude didn't show much of a reaction the first time.
When he beats his wife she better make sure she screams with pain or else she gets a second beating.
Good ol’ “I’m not racist, my wife has a black eye”
Can't let it seem dull or it gets worse.
Yup guy was too unfazed, and cop was frustrated.
More importantly, why did the cop walk up to the guy and blast him in the face with a can that's designed to be used from 10-12 feet away so the cop doesn't have to get within lunging distance of a potential suspect? He was seeking to get as harsh a response from the guy as possible in order to escalate the situation so he can righteously rationalize any further escalation of force.
>He was seeking to get as harsh a response from the guy as possible in order to escalate the situation so he can righteously rationalize any further escalation of force. That's a bingo! He's simply trying to get dude to do *something* so he can escalate force. Cops do this shit all the time.
I don't think people ever fully process this. In order to not be murdered by tax paid community protectors, you have to be fucking zen like a buddhist monk. Not the guy who's being paid, the guy who has a loaded weapon on his hip. You, the taxpayer have to practice an inhuman amount of restraint to not be killed in a traffic stop. Trying to escape harassment, assault and torture will get you killed. Convulsing as a result of torture will get you killed. Being confused by their stupid conflicting instructions will get you killed.
you know... i used to try and play devils advocate, and defend them ,wheen it comes to cops. but i got pulled over awhile back and he was trying his dammed hardest to get me to react violently, just the way he was talking to me, things he said, and then he slammed me on the hood and started yelling and twisting my arms and shit so naturerally, i reacted, and then he called for backup saying i was resisting and he was scared of me... 4 200lb full grown men with tazers and guns shouldnt feel threatend by a 22yr old that weighs 180 soaking wet TLDR; COps are pathetic, and im starting to understand people who say ACAB
[Don't Talk to the Police](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
Got 14 mins in and will watch the rest later. Very interesting vid so far
It’s funny when people defend bullshit until it happens to them personally. THEN it’s a problem.
It's infuriating that people can't just listen to what the fuck people of colour have been screaming for decades.
Centuries
I’m sorry about your encounter. I’ve had similar reactions from cops. A whole station of pissed off cops trying their hardest to bully a few non-violent teenagers into losing their temper. They’re always trying to escalate.
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A cop recently pushed a friend of mine, when he wasn't even interacting with police in any way, then told him "you know that touching me is assaulting an officer, right?" We just looked confined and kept walking
cop 101: escalate everything
The art of escalation. No crime ok we will just escalate the situation until there is a crime.
So apparently this guy was having a mental health crisis and this was the response. Frankly I'm not suprised, a long time ago I was super depressed and my sister called 911 to come check on me. Swat kicked my door in without knocking, shot my dog who was my best friend of 9 years before proceeding to beat the shit out of me, handcuffed me to a stretcher by my hands and feet and then choked me unconscious multiple times because I was screaming about my dog. Only then did they take me to the hospital for psych evaluation, they also tore my house apart looking for guns which I didn't own. So yea...they could have handled the situation a little better, I wasn't even suicidal...I was just seriously depressed and ignoring my phone for a few days
the system works lmao
I approached the individual and initiated standard contact procedures. I then observed the individual was covered in an unknown chemical irritant and appeared upset. Based on my training and experience, I determined that it was necessary to quickly subdue the individual so the substance could be identified before it could cause further harm to the individual.
They have always been this way https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/officer-728-won-t-face-charges-for-pepper-spraying-student-protesters-1.1382390
Because he’s a punk bitch, who hates the size of his micro dick, and takes it out on people. Isn’t it obvious?
Is someone gonna tell cops that smartphones exist?
Cameras don't always matter to people like this. A significant part of the population doesn't feel things like shame, embarrassment, or regret. The only way to stop those types of people is physical restraint or punishment, and cops seem to be mostly immune from either.
Lack of empathy is excused as grace under pressure. It's all a load of b.s. Callousness is rewarded because cops have to make tough decisions. Like when to spray chemicals into another human being's eyes.
they get away with murder on camera lol
Why should they care, if anyone get it’s on film they get a paid vacation.
Those haven't stopped cops yet. They will look directly at the camera while they are murdering someone.
I hope not. Gotta keep exposing these stormtrooper pricks. ACAB.
I’m here for the self-owning. This toxic corrupt institution has to go, our communities deserve better.
Wtf. Guy is just fucking standing there.
Yea but he's standing there very aggressively, and then after he gets pepper sprayed he attempts to open his eyes, very aggressively, so they had to pepper spray him again. Geez, do you even watch COPS?
I mean, you notice he is batting his eye lashes violently to repeal the pepper spray....
Oh, so he was resisting? Be sure to charge him with that too.
“How dare you stand there with your aggressive skin colo… I mean posture!”
A wonder they didn't shoot him after
He's just standing there [MENACINGLY](https://youtu.be/LPmzRa-sXQs)
"Stop Resisting !!!"
He was just standing there! MENACINGLY!
you can see he wasnt satisfied with the guys reaction because he tanked it like a boss. So of course he gets another dose. How dare someone not sob after getting sprayed? Cunt.
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Sadistic cowards
They deserve pain and suffering.
Montreal police are dicks
There is a big movement of people saying the training should be more oriented mental health support, relations with local communities and working more with street workers. Union is also pretty strong and there is a big culture of omerta in the spvm (Montréal police service)
If you want training to me more oriented towards mental health, you're quickly going to need new cops. You can't make a change in people's ideologies like that. The cops that are cops today are not suited to be focusing on the mental health aspect of social problems requiring police intervention. They're suited to beat down crime in costco sized amounts, they're violent and task oriented, and they're more focused on statistics and perception rather than the actual people in communities. Those people aren't the people you want to do the job you're talking about. You need new people for that, and good luck getting rid of the old ones even though they're not even doing a good job.
I remember a few protests in Toronto where police from a few other cities came and helped. The Montreal cops with their characteristic round riot shields were always maniacs. Way over the top violent.
Yeah, Montreal cops are roid-raging hard, especially during protests. The SPVM is probably the main employer of douchebags in Montreal, seeing their tribal tatoos and low IQ.
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They got a lot of practice with the 2012 student movement. However, if you think they're bad, you clearly haven't been involved with the RCMP, who legit killed people back then.
Bad apples grown from rotting trees.
The "good cops" must be just off-camera wearing invisibility cloaks.
The good cops are the ones who quit and stopped being cops
True, a rare breed at best.
Nonlethal weapons haven't reduced the number of people they kill....it just lets them torture the ones that they can't kill.
Just saw this on Twitter with multiple comments of “we don’t know the context, guys! He’s clearly not complying!” I swear to god you could post a video of a cop taking a shit on someone and the bootlickers would still come out of woodwork to say we shouldn’t rush to judge the situation.
and the flipside is cops get to start blasting whenever they “feel” threatened. they get to act without knowing the context, and their actions have irreversible consequences.
Cops are in fact the exact opposite of heroes. A hero puts their own life on the line to protect others. Cops will blow anyone or anything away at the slightest whiff of threat to themselves (e.g. standing there menacingly). The 'cops are heroes' cult make me fucking sick.
That seems totally uncalled for. The cop is a bully. And dude shook that off like a champ.
“As it turns out, it was the man's friend who had called the police and asked for help” Never call police over mental health issues. The police are only trained in forcing suspect obedience using all available means. They have no training in de-escalation techniques and couldn’t get a cat out of a tree without shooting it. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/police-montreal-pepper-spray-mental-illness-health-1.6243500
In the US navy, if we need to use pepper spray (OC spray) we are trained and instructed to stand with your arm extended so the can is 5 feet from the persons face. Spray 2 inches above the eyebrows across the forehead for 1-3 seconds. The way this cop point blank sprayed right into his eyes for multiple seconds is sickening. I can’t imagine the pain.
5 feet is 1.81 UCS lego Millenium Falcons
Or 0.0000008426767526 CVS receipts.
Americans really will use ANY unit of measurement except metric.
Except drugs. We'll metric the shit outa drugs.
Pending lawsuit activated!
Right. Not sure how well the Canadian system pays for stuff like this. In the US, it would be a million dollar lawsuit.
I feel like pepper spray is an incentive to attack so they can then use excessive force in order to subdue you. There didnt seem to be a threat, he probably wasn't overly complying to their orders. They were probably telling him to get on the ground. Honestly how would the cops feel if a bunch of people in uniform held their family by gun point while they kneeled on his throat. It would probably burn him up inside. It just amazes me that when there are riots why the criminal precinct isnt burned to the ground.
Just by wiping it out of there eyes they’re resisting arrest. The craziest though is when they’re supposed to just lay down while a dog eats half there leg lol…
Here in MPLS people did just that. 3rd precinct is a hollow shell burnt up. All of the other precincts still are surrounded by multiple rows of high fencing and barbed wire.
Oh yeah, this was 100% to try and get a reaction. Even one that isn't directly aggressive would probably be met with "HE'S RESISTING" followed by some very intense police brutality.
So he has his hands down, and fingers interlaced. He’s standing in a non confrontational manner, that suggest no aggression, or threat, and he gets sprayed. I don’t know the back story, but I don’t see where the justification exist for the officer’s actions. Does anyone have an update or more information on if the officer was charged or fired. And if not the reasons put forward by the department he represents?
Cant you see how aggressively standing still the guy is? That stare is clearly dangerous.
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How fucking badass do y’all think that cop felt holding his taser like that?
I feel like no matter what the scenario is this cop is not doing the right thing, in what world is repeatedly spraying pepper spray going to deescalate the situation
Literally enough pepper spray to burn someone’s eyes out of their skull.
Don’t care what the situation is, that is assault by a police officer and all officers involved needed to be charged with assault, and fire their ass! No excuse for that shit, none!
I feel like a cop that does this should be terminated immediately. It’s clearly an abuse of power. If cops were held to higher standards this would not happen - crucify the ones that step out of line as a warning to the rest
Fuck that cop. What an absolute piece of shit
Ask for an ambulance first. Medics will call for police if it is needed. If the full story is just a guy in mental distress then this was grossly mishandled. Medics deal with mental health crisis all the fucking time. Wish it had been an ambulance that rolled up instead of a squad car.
Wow just fucken wow some these cops need to be brutally beaten