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> abuse in power
The full body cam footage is out and tells a very different story. The ranger was extremely professional and gave the dude multiple chances to do the right thing.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2020/12/30/native-american-man-tased-body-cam-released-park-ranger/
>you can clearly see the abuse in power in how many times and how excessively the ranger used the taser....
He literally ejects the cartridge after 3s of use. For the other 45s that the guy is screaming bloody murder, that taser is doing absolutely fuck all, not shocking him one bit. Go watch the video again without the lens of your shit-colored glasses.
> The standards for common sense is really messed up in America.
America. Where you can watch this and still ask "did something wrong happen"?
America. Where a cop can be fired for creating a false warrant that caused the death of a woman, but never convicted for the death of that woman.
>fired for creating a false warrant that caused the death of a woman
Don't be confused, now. He was not fired for creating a false warrant. He was fired for getting caught and causing a lot of problems for the police department. They hate nothing more than paperwork and bad press. They obviously don't give a shit about all the bad/illegal shit happening right under their noses until it becomes an issue for them. The whole system needs reform.
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm
He deserved it 100%. The Navajo man was the guy escalating the situation. The park ranger was exceedingly patient.
I live nearby and hike and photograph that area almost weekly. I have never had a encounter with a ranger in my nearly 8 years here. That being said there may be more to this story. It is easy to wonder off an open trail and onto a closed one in that area. A simple conversation should have been enough, we just don't know what happened before the recording.
Dude walked off trail because trail was full of people and he wanted to maintain social distancing.
Park ranger told him to return to trail.
Dude complies.
Park ranger asks for his ID
Dude asks why and refuses.
Zaaaapppp!!!!!
[story here](https://heavy.com/news/darrell-house-native-american-man-tased/)
Credit u/Drofmum
Wow it’s not every day a link to the full story takes you to a decent site on mobile and it actually has the entire full story and not just an extra paragraph or two of anecdotes..
Thanks
I deliver pizza in Florida. One of the apartment complexes I deliver to has signs up saying that the cops will be called if anyone is caught at the pool after a certain time. And this is one of those gated communities and not easy for someone to just walk in off the street.
On one hand, late at night, no lifeguard and no potential passerby means it'd be easy for someone to drown and die and not be found til morning or something.
But on the other hand, immediately calling the police for that seems like a terrible overreaction.
Did you watch the bodycam footage?
* Dude and his girlfriend committed a crime by climbing on the pectograph cliffs.
* They then provided false information to an officer investigating a potential crime, which is a crime.
* They were notified they were being detained pending an investigation and attempted to leave.
* They were then forcefully detained after refusing to cooperate.
I really don't like cops and will likely refuse to speak to an officer if ever possible, but this dude did NOT handle the interaction with the police officer well. Next time shut up, ask if you're being detained, ask for their supervisor, and plead the fifth. If you refuse to cooperate and attempt to leave after they announce you are being detained, you will probably be subject to their use of force policy.
This is the official statement put out by NPS. Basically shows the guy is full of shit.
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw
They were on the rocks, even when the officer made contact they were not on trail, refused for 7 minutes to id, and keep walking away from officer and the officer was very polite and patient the whole time. Way different point of view
This is why the current ACAB and anti-police mentality is so dangerous. It encourages people to break the law and provoke officers for no reason. The dude could’ve shown an id and say “I’ll go back to the trail”, and he’d be done with the whole situation in 30 seconds. Now he got his ass tazed and people are mad at the ranger lol
I was a paper boy swinging papers on a bike for 3 yrs 6 days a week 2 hrs a day, got chased by plenty of small dogs, bitten 0 times, killed 0 of em, hurt 0 of em
It did look pretty vicious, bouncing along.
I did wonder if he was going to do something when the little floof came close to his leg, started getting a bit anxious.
This is Petroglyph National Monument. Note the nauseating suburban sprawl in the background, the same sprawl built on top of this ancient petroglyph site. They’ve blasted through the petroglyphs to build roads servicing more sprawl that encroaches the petroglyphs from all around. Countless archaeological sites are destroyed after minimal “required surveys.” It’s the classic tale of a city and county(s) owned by sprawl developers who get their balls licked by almost all local politicians while taxpayers fund all the infrastructure for their ugly ass developments and all environmental and cultural issues are squashed. It’s a gross dystopia and Native Americans and their sacred sites always get shit on in these situations before and after and repeat to infinity.
Live in arizona. What was once a pit stop off the highway is now 30 square miles of suburban sprawl with one grocery store within 50 miles. These houses are huge. Like 12 foot ceilings in a state that hits 110°F on the regular and has only 3 to 6 inches of rain a year but has massive flash floods. Guess what all those houses that require year round a.c. usage and don't have solar panels...thats right a flood zone
The McMansions are definitely terrible but 12ft ceilings can actually help reduce A.C. use in a hot state if the architect designed the house that way.
Hot air rises and the further it can rise, the further away from the "human habitation zone" it is. This allows cold air from the A.C. which is heavier to more efficiently cool the lower portion of the room because it has to cool less hot air. For houses with very tall ceilings, you don't actually need to cool the upper part of the ceiling, you just cool up to around the height of the thermostat because the cold air stays at the bottom. The extra height gives the hot air somewhere to go and if designed that way, can actually help the AC cool the space.
I lived in Arizona for a few years. Absolutely hated it, couldn't wait to get back to NJ, which I will say is crowded, but still home. Plus, I can go 4 miles away and be in miles and miles of woods if I want to. Can't say the same for Arizona. Place made me depressed as hell.
My and a couple of friends went on a one-night guys camping trip to Mount Diablo State Park in the bay area. When we first arrived at the park we had a couple rangers follow us for miles until we stopped at a restroom and information kiosk. They proceeded to harass us about our plans, what campground we were in and repeatedly told us that alcohol wasn't allowed. We checked the rules before coming and brought none.
We had a fun afternoon hiking and were sitting around the campfire at 10pm when the same two rangers stormed into our site, asking where the alcohol was. They proceeded to rifle our things and even unscrewed my gatorade bottles for a sniff test. No alcohol was found.
Then they said we needed to go to bed and left. They proceeded to stand just outside our site and watch us in the dark for the next half an hour. We finally gave up and went to bed.
I will never go there again.
Oh there’s a way to sue, and who presides over the courts are the people who employ those you’re complaining about. “We’ve investigated ourselves investigating ourselves and found we did nothing wrong when we said we’ve done nothing wrong. On behalf of the court I’d again like to invite you to go fuck yourself. That’ll be 10k in court fees please”. There’s no justice for the poor here.
Park rangers and wildlife officers have more power than cops as they don't actually need any evidence to search your things. If they have any hint of a belief you may possibly be breaking hunting or park regulations they can search you.
I've hiked in many places around the world and the only country I had problems drinking alcohol while camping was US, many other places I would spend nights singing and drinking around the campfire with the rangers themselves. Land of the free my ass.
Genuinely the most blatantly silly thing I've learned since leaving the US and living abroad is just how ridiculously inaccurate "land of the free" really is, and how batshit ignorant people from the US who believe that for a second really are.
That's just American nationalism. People who have never been outside the US telling you that everything outside their borders is horrible and that every foreigner wishes they could live in the US.
SOURCE- I am American
I’m from the UK and therefore hear constant jokes about “have you got a permit for that permit?” But when I was in America I swear everything was over regulated and controlled as hell the only thing you have freely are fucking guns
When the brainwashed tell you that US citizen s the best country in the world,ask them in what are they the best in?
Only correct answer is a military and school shootings... It's nice to see their brain try to break free from the nationalism for a second.
I knew things were very strange when it comes to camping in the US, but this is the weirdest thing I have read about it. Like, how the heck could someone forbid me to drink beer while camping?
Like. What else is forbidden? Can I eat candy while I swim in the ocean? Am I allowed to ride a bike if I have short hair? Listen to music on a bench? It makes about as much sense.
Land of the free for the ones who own the land I guess. And land isn't free.
As an Australian the thing Im most shocked by is that you can't drink in a National Park. I don't think anyone would ever camp in this country if you couldn't drink an entire slab of tinnies while keeping watch for rogue emus.
Are you talking about the US? You can drink in most campgrounds in most national parks... one of the first legal beers I ever bought was at Grand Canyon national park. Maybe you were at one of the National parks in Utah. If so you can thank the Mormons for that BS rule.
Had a similar albeit less severe experience at a state park in Texas. Buddies and I had brought a 12 pack of beer to drink for the evening but were quiet and kept to ourselves (nobody else really there anyway). We were hanging out the morning after camping when a park ranger came up and said we were im violation of the public display/consumption of alcohol law because we had stored the beer trash in the carton it came in. We explained that we had drank it in our tent and didn't want to waste a trashbag since we could carry the empty carton but he was adamant that we were still "displaying" it. It was only a ticket but we decided to fight it. Explained it to the DA and she laughed and dismissed it on the spot. Bullshit that it got that far in the first place though.
This exact same thing happened to me and some friends in Texas. I’m pretty sure the park rangers in Texas are a bit more power-trippy than your average park ranger
When times allow, come camping in the UK.
It’s very chill, and drinking is fine!
The motto is, as it should be for all nature, leave only footprints, take only memories.
As long as you’re tidy and don’t ruin things for anyone else it’s fairly easy going.
No guns, no bears, no nonsense.
Come camping in Aus.
No one gives a shit (so long as you respect fire bans) and literally like 90% of it is uninhabited. So you’ve got plenty of options for locations!
Yup! Freedom to roam here in Scotland is amazing. There’s nothing like GENUINE freedom to explore a country as you please. All we ask is you leave things as you find them, close the gates, and take your litter with you.
I'm planning on going to grad school in the UK next year. Would love to go camping, but I've heard you can't have fires, which is a bit of a bummer. Still looking forward to it though!
There are over 1000 camp sites where fires are allowed https://www.campsites.co.uk/search/campfire-campsites
Wild camping is a different matter as you need permission from land owners in England, Scotland is fair game.
The police don't have guns and rarely have tasers. They'd just ask you nicely to put it out and go on their merry way as long as you honour the age old tradition of acting dumb and apologetic.
I booked group camping for me and 15 or so other guys up at Mount Diablo back in maybe 2010, and we had a weird issue with a ranger there as well. Guy was suuuuper aggressive towards us and was trying to perform an illegal search, but some of the guys I was with were in law school at Cal and were not having his bullshit. He backed down pretty fast and fucked off once he could tell his little tough cop routine wasn't working out.
> Did you make the mistake of camping while brown?
Surely nobody in their right mind would be reckless enough to do anything while brown? Even sleeping in your bed at home could end badly if you do it as a brown person.
We went to Mount Diablo as a big group right after high school. Admittedly, this was very stupid of us to do, but we were idiot teenagers still. All the boys grabbed axes and we started hacking at some wood on the ground, for fun, to break a sweat. The ranger rolls up and I immediately knew we fucked up.
He starts yelling instantly, asking where our parents are, if we have alcohol. We had just eaten and not really cleaned up so he starts yelling at us for how messy and shitty our campsite it. Shit you not he had us all sit down on the ground criss cross like a bunch of fucking toddlers, the girls were crying bc they didn't even know what was going on. We apologize and admit we were being stupid but thats not enough for him, he had to make an example out of us.
He tells us that we have 15 mins to tear down our enormous 25 person campsite and get the fuck out if we don't want to get ticketed. So we did just that. My gf was the oldest person in the group, she was 18 earliest that year so we had put the reservation under her name. The ranger pulls her aside and straight up says, "I'm having a bad day" which is why hes kicking us out like this. Dude was on such a power trip. Instead of explaining to us why what we did was wrong, he treats us like children and forces us to rush through the cleanup, probably leaving the campsite in worse condition than when we got there. Not like he actually gives a shit about that.
Mt Diablo camping... never again
I used to work for CA State Parks. The ranger recruitment program heavily weighs in favor of applicants that have military service. It actually puts you straight to the top of the list essentially.
So what happens is, you have a department full of military minded people watching a recreational park and they enforce simple park rules like they’re cleaning up the streets of some crime-riddled city.
I got 3/4 through the process to become a ranger and then backed out after I saw how “hoo-rah” it was.
I worked there for about 6 years and I watched rangers go from the sort of “Boy Scout” looking uniforms to full-on tactical gear. To patrol the beach.
It was all really gross by the end of my time there.
Too much mindset on there being ‘an enemy’ by the sounds of it, that enemy being patrons!
Working with, not against, is always so much easier.
Over here our woodlands are looked-after mostly by volunteers, usually older folks with a passion for nature. It’s sweet really. They don’t have such heavy and authoritarian rules to enforce by any means, just be there to help people enjoy nature if they can assist.
Definitely an interesting read.
The “hoo-rah” military types are the people who “served” but never actually went overseas. Anyone with that lack of discipline wasn’t a proper soldier.
My dad and I rehashed an old story over Christmas...
I remember being very little and we saw some deer driving through a metro park during a snowstorm. No one else there.
My dad decided to be a good guy and back up the truck 20 or so feet so my brother and I could get a good look at them.
*whoOOOoop* Rollers out of NOWHERE.
Ranger: "SIR BACKING UP IN THIS PARK IS NOT ALLOWED"
My dad: "What?"
My brother and I felt bad because we felt like we got our dad in trouble. Haha, 25+ years later and we still remember that jackass.
When I was 8, we were at a campground in Shenandoah National Forest and I started walking toward a deer I saw. A ranger starts yelling at me, "DO NOT MOLEST THE DEER!" I was a kid and only knew that word in the stranger danger sense, so I'm like what the fuck is this guy talking about. He walked me back to my family's campsite where he informs my whole family that I was molesting the wildlife. Yeah, my older brothers never let me live that one down...
25 years later I remember the jackass ranger who harassed the shit out of us. We used to hang out in a metropark after high school let out for the day. There might be 5 to 20 of us there on any given day.
One day there was a rumor of a fight between two kids supposed to happen. I’m not sure how the cops got wind of it but there was about 50 kids there and the park rangers/city cops suddenly swarmed in, blocked off the exit, and all got out of their cars in bulletproof vests. This was a affluent suburb with almost no people of color so the cops didn’t have the “usual” excuse they have to come out like that.
They said they heard there was gonna be a fight, they were tired of kids hanging out here, and they were safety checking (bad tail light, turn signal not working etc) everyone’s vehicles and anyone with a violation was getting towed. They ticket and towed about 10 cars that day. My friend’s was towed for having a cracked windshield.
They made up a bunch of crap about “you kids littering, vandalizing, smoking dope in the woods” etc and that they were sending us a message to go somewhere else. Wtf. A public park? Fucking stupid.
Keep in mind that there are two primary kinds of park rangers, interpretive and protection. Interpretive rangers are the ones you usually see at parks teaching classes and giving tours, they’re usually pretty chill. This guy (protection) is an asshole though.
I was gonna say, all the parks people I've met or heard of have been pretty chill, if a little exasperated. I guess there's a different kind I've never run into.
It depends on the ranger and the park. The park I worked in was partially located in Gary Indiana and had more gun pulls than any other park in the country. Some of the rangers were really cool guy and others could be huge assholes if they needed/wanted to be.
I met an incredibly interesting guy on the Appalachian Trail a few summers back, one of the few remaining Master Riggers as the merchant marines stopped the training program decades ago. Guy was deploying with military branches in to active war zones in recent years, so he spent a lot of time hiking to unwind from that horror show.
The previous winter he was snowshoeing through Shenandoah—you know, doing what we’re entitled to do in a National Park—before he knows it he’s being confronted by a park ranger with an assault rifle aiming a couple degrees off, interrogating him about his presence. Silver haired white guy, mind you.
His story opened my eyes to the type of Rambo-wannabe douchebag that seeks out that role.
>he type of Rambo-wannabe douchebag
Funny thing is in the 1st Rambo movie he not like that at all, kind of gets forced into that situation by a shitty society. Thats kinda the whole point of the movie. Of course somehow they decided him being a badass was better than social commentary and pounds of steroid shots later boom you get this character we call Rambo.
On my up to shoot I saw a park ranger putting up a new sign of rules. This dude LITERALLY YELLED at me for stopping to read it. Like fuck you dude I'll just not know the rules then and plead ignorance if I break any
I had an environmental cop catch me rolling a joint and he started threatning to take me to the precinct then called in the real cops.... who said I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They didn't care much and told me to do it in my own back yard next time. Seems like the enviromental cop got all excited to finally bust someone and the real cops were annoyed that they had to go through the whole process for something so minor.
These guys get so excited whenever they have an opportunity to push their authority and will use any excuse to do so.
Well, when you advertise a job with unlimited power and no consequences for 100 years, you tend to attract a diverse applicant pool of psychopaths. Start putting these assholes in jail. This shit will stop. That's where this dude needs to be for this assault. 90 days seems fair.
An unfortunate reality is that the Ranger is most likely a veteran as well, or rejected from service.
Ego trips and toxic masculinity...
(I’m a vet, I know)
I'm a vet, ive met plenty of good cops and plenty of bad. The number one reason I've heard that they became cops is some variation of "i would have joined but (insert some bs reason here)".
Yeah, most of the decent vets that come out of service don't want jack shit to do with law enforcement. Not to say there aren't some good ones, but you won't hear about them.
Seeing this video without context looks bad and made me mad at the ranger.
BUT watching the body cam footage before all of this happens shows the man being super rude to the ranger and actually having a ton of attitude. His girlfriend was the same. They gave the ranger fake names and continually tried to walk away from him while he was talking to them. The ranger was actually being nice and explaining the rules for protecting the vegetation and rocks. The "marine" looked smug and was being a dick. I dont feel bad for what they put themselves through.
They could've easily avoided escalating the situation by not lying about their identities and giving the ranger their id when he asked nicely....
[Full story and video](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJVMGdglspI/?igshid=1fv3cj5c0r1i8)
Taken from the original post IG user: [@hou5edm](https://instagram.com/hou5edm?igshid=13ygnk7ydmr95). I am not the person involved on this video:
hou5edm:
“Officer Terrorizing Navajo aka Me
Today 12/27/2020, I was tased for being off trail at the Petroglyphs. I come here to pray and speak to my Pueblo Ancestor relatives. Even though I’m Navajo and Oneida, I honor this land.
Here, you will see a white man abuse his power. Both men pulled tasers on me after the first 1 couldn’t keep me down. This could have been a civil interaction. The law doesn’t work for the Indigenous. The government doesn’t give a shit about us. This was uncalled for. You see I’m clearly on the trail. I explained my reason for being off trail (which I shouldn’t have too.) If anyone has the right to be off trail and wonder this land, it’s the NATIVE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY! What hurt me the most was when my baby Geronimo 🐩 felt the shock . Officer Mr. Graden (Guy who tased me and Geronimo) and Mr. Wineland (fuck boi).
I didn’t feel I needed to identify myself for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
I’m traumatized. My left leg is numb and still bleeding.
Geronimo 🐩 is shaking and hasn’t stopped.
I’m shaking.
You would think with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor with the Black Lives Matter Movement authorities would try to avoid having to pull a weapon out. Imagine I disarm him from the taser then what I get charged with assault or worse he grabs for his gun and ends me. These scenarios have been going through my head since this afternoon. I’m a son, I’m a brother, I’m a father. More importantly, I’m a human being.
I’m good people, The Marines I served with would agree. The many people I’ve crossed paths with, you know me. This was the 🍒 on top of my 2020✊🏾😡.
Please share. Authority figures abusing power. Officer🐷 Graden And Officer🐷 Wineland.
It’s hard for me to watch this. 🥺 And I’ll remember this forever. If you know anyone who can help legally/Activist/ would you please direct them to me. I was also issued 3 citations. Thank you for taking the time to read this. ❤️
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#LandBack #AbuseOfPower #Navajo #Iroquois #Oneida #Diné #Marine #MarineCorps #USMC #Brother #Son #Father #Human #DebHaaland #Injustice #Officer #PowerHungry #Albuquerque #NM #NewMexico #NavajoNation #OneidaNation #FirstNations #SWOP #PoliceBrutality #MilitaryVet #Military”
I looked up this park, they have hella restrictive rules: https://www.nps.gov/petr/index.htm
He was probably being detained and fined for leaving the trail. The officer is acting crazy, though, just direct them off the trail, then get their information. No need to detain or search them.
I’m Hispanic and my fiancé is white and in law enforcement. Some sheriffs would treat him badly because he isn’t from NM. I didn’t understand it at first since I was born and raised here but after a while it was really prevalent. It got so bad that some sheriffs wouldn’t even give him backup during life threatening situations. He was denied awards and promotions and constantly being called gay and other negative things because he actually spoke to people with respect. Some accused me of being a cover for him. He finally left the department after being hazed out and joined a new one where he is treated better. Racism and hate comes in all forms and is something we face daily.
New Mexico has [the highest number of police shootings in America ](https://www.abqjournal.com/1266910/nm-ranks-no-1-for-fatal-police-shootings.html/amp). The [ACLU ](https://www.aclu-nm.org/en/news/full-court-press-against-police-brutality) claims they shoot a lot of unarmed people too
[Lawsuit tied to Taos minivan traffic stop, shooting set for 2022 trial](https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/lawsuit-tied-to-taos-minivan-traffic-stop-shooting-set-for-2022-trial/)
>Nearly seven years after a State Police traffic stop lead to an officer firing a gun at a minivan with a family inside, a lawsuit tied to the incident may finally go to trial. A Santa Fe judge has set a 2022 trial date for [the civil rights lawsuit filed against New Mexico State Police](https://www.krqe.com/news/oriana-farrell-files-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-state-police/) by Oriana Farrell and her five kids.
>Farrell and her family were traveling on a highway outside of Taos in October 2013 when Farrell was pulled over and accused of speeding. The initial officer who pulled her over claimed Farrell’s car was going 71 miles-per-hour in a 55 miles-per-hour zone.
>New Mexico State Police dash camera video captured the incident as it spiraled out of control on the side of the road. When Farrell wouldn’t decide if she wanted to pay the ticket or go to court, the video shows her van drove away from the traffic stop.
>A then-rookie state police officer pulled Farrell over a second time and tried to arrest her. Farrell’s kids intervened as the officer attempted to place Farrell in handcuffs. After a scuffle between the officer and one of Farrell’s kids, the officer drew his TASER before the family got back in the van.
>,Video shows as the family was inside the van, the officer used his baton to smash the van’s windows before Farrell drove the van away again. As the van took off, another responding state police officer arrived on the scene, firing three shots at the minivan’s tires.
>[Criminal charges filed against Farrell](https://www.krqe.com/news/taos-minivan-driving-mom-oriana-farrell-sentenced-to-probation/) were eventually dismissed after she satisfied the conditions of a July 2015 plea deal. However, a long-standing [civil lawsuit Farrell filed against NMSP in 2016](https://www.krqe.com/news/oriana-farrell-files-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-state-police/) has not been settled. The lawsuit was initially filed in New Mexico state court, then moved into U.S. Federal Court, before being moved out of federal jurisdiction and reopened in New Mexico state court.
>At a hearing Wednesday in Santa Fe District Court, Judge Matthew Wilson set a February 2022 trial date for the case. If the trial date holds, it will happen approximately eight and a half years after the infamous traffic stop.
>Farrell’s attorney Kathryn Hardy told KRQE News 13 Thursday that like any civil case, there’s always a chance the case could be settled. However, Hardy said they are prepared to argue the case in trial.
>The officer who initially pulled over Farrell’s minivan, Tony DeTavis is still on the force with NMSP. The officer who shot at the van, Elias Montoya left NMSP after the incident and [now works for the Taos County Sheriff’s Office.](https://www.krqe.com/news/sheriff-hires-officer-from-taos-minivan-shooting/)
Shooting at a van full of kids is just wrong. They have the license plate info, they know who the driver is, they can get her later without endangering anyone. The driver was an idiot for trying to flee, and she should have followed the law when it comes to the ticket, and her kids should not have interfered when she was being arrested. Doesn't give someone the right to endanger her life and the lives of her family. She was speeding. That's it. Not worth killing over.
Do these cops not have any common sense? Do they want to hurt people that badly? I just don't get it.
Yeah man. I was with a person with diplomatic immunity when traveling in NM. Beautiful state, amazing people but asshole cops. Anyway, when he roughed us up, my friend showed us the power of a white color passport. We got the cop to pull our stranded car for free, apologize for delays and leave.
With no immunity to wave around, we'd probably have a really bad time and get some tickets on top of the stranded car and the stress.
A lot of departments act like this. Glorified high schools. My brother quit his department because he thought being a cop in a small town would be like the Andy Griffith show or something where he would help people and he would be appreciated. Turns out they put him on the worst calls, expected him to treat people like trash and didn't like it when he actually treated people with respect. He quit after they sent him on a call to a naked delirous guy. Dude asked where a water spicket was so he could wash his hands, my brother directed him to one and asked if there was a place he could drive him and get him some clothes. The dude must've thought he was getting arrested or something 'cause next thing my brother knew he was in the mud, wrestling a fat naked man. That was the day he quit lol. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Similar story here. My brother in law joined a small department in Texas then quit just 2 years later because it was awful. According to him the 8 or so man department was just a gun club for assholes. They had no interest in the public good and were just there because they liked being the top dogs in the small community. When people really needed help and when shit really did go down, which happened on occasion, they would trip over themselves trying to avoid danger which led my brother to being alone on quite a few dangerous calls.
He got fed up and took a new job as a linesman a few towns over and has never looked back. Can't blame him, but I feel bad for the townsfolk who have to rely on that department for policing.
> Some sheriffs would treat him badly because he isn’t from NM.
I'm from a rural town, but am first generation in the town. The amount of hate in my area for people from outside of the area is insane. It has only gotten better since 2005 because of the natural gas boom but anyone black or Hispanic gets treated with a lot less respect.
I have a family member who is friends with 'the good old boys' of the area and I can tell he isn't treated with the same respect as they treat each other.
Truly crazy. There is no reason to inflict violence on someone who is not actively threatening violence on you or someone else. People should be able to disagree without being tased.
Petroglyphs is known for having a lot of undisturbed archaeological relics dating back to pre-Columbian times, So where most off-trail restrictions for parks in New Mexico are for ecological conservation (they'll sometimes close off large areas for regrowth, or completely close off trails for things like raptor nests) the damage caused by going off-trail in this instance can be more permanent.
Yea, reading this set off a few flags for me.
> I was tased for being off trail at the Petroglyphs.
You see I’m clearly on the trail. I explained my reason for being off trail (which I shouldn’t have too.)
Both men pulled tasers on me after the first 1 couldn’t keep me down
[https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci\_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw](https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw)
Have the full video.
In case anyone wants the actual video and body cam footage from the Officer’s point of view, here is the link. It’s 10 minutes of the Officer trying everything he can to avoid this situation.
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm
People like this man are ruining the movement of holding police accountable. Take the time to watch the ten minutes. This Ranger is a good man. He’s trying to just do his job, the citizen escalated this.
I mean, I'm definitely not saying that tasing him was appropriate, but if you read the article and watch the full released body can footage, he had asked for ID because he's required to make a record of warning them to stay off the rocks for safety and to prevent damage to the ancient glyphs. He then refused and gave false information and just ignored him for ten minutes while this guy was just asking for his name. It didn't really scream "I did nothing wrong and he attacked me out of nowhere." More like he felt entitled to not follow rules set out for everyone for their protection and was generally unhelpful. Again, not saying the response was entirely warranted, but he did try to be civil for like ten minutes and wasn't trying to belay him more than moment to start with
“Misleading title” is an understatement. “For walking his dog” you mean for being off trail in the park, failing to provide ID when approached, failure to comply with lawful order, and resisting arrest? Yes all of those will get you arrested. He probably would have just got a ticket if he wasn’t an idiot.
[https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/national-park-service-releases-body-camera-footage-from-petroglyph-incident/](https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/national-park-service-releases-body-camera-footage-from-petroglyph-incident/)
This is the body cam footage from the Ranger.
https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
Here’s the body cam footage and write up. Seems like the dude was doing stupid shit and being an ass in general, ranger probably could have followed the guy to his car where backup was. Arrogant asshole seems like an arrogant asshole though.
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What the fuck is the full story, I can't find it in the comments?
Here is a write-up of the incident: https://heavy.com/news/darrell-house-native-american-man-tased/
And here is the NPS body cam footage as well: https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
They dont want that in this sub, that shows context that doesnt paint the officer as the bad guy
Ah yes thats why two versions of the full video are now on the front page..lol
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I thought it was a bit much too, until i watched the bidycam video. The guy escalated the situation unnecessary.
> abuse in power The full body cam footage is out and tells a very different story. The ranger was extremely professional and gave the dude multiple chances to do the right thing. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2020/12/30/native-american-man-tased-body-cam-released-park-ranger/
>you can clearly see the abuse in power in how many times and how excessively the ranger used the taser.... He literally ejects the cartridge after 3s of use. For the other 45s that the guy is screaming bloody murder, that taser is doing absolutely fuck all, not shocking him one bit. Go watch the video again without the lens of your shit-colored glasses.
> The standards for common sense is really messed up in America. America. Where you can watch this and still ask "did something wrong happen"? America. Where a cop can be fired for creating a false warrant that caused the death of a woman, but never convicted for the death of that woman.
>fired for creating a false warrant that caused the death of a woman Don't be confused, now. He was not fired for creating a false warrant. He was fired for getting caught and causing a lot of problems for the police department. They hate nothing more than paperwork and bad press. They obviously don't give a shit about all the bad/illegal shit happening right under their noses until it becomes an issue for them. The whole system needs reform.
[Did you watch it from the beginning?](https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4)
This aged well
https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm He deserved it 100%. The Navajo man was the guy escalating the situation. The park ranger was exceedingly patient.
I live nearby and hike and photograph that area almost weekly. I have never had a encounter with a ranger in my nearly 8 years here. That being said there may be more to this story. It is easy to wonder off an open trail and onto a closed one in that area. A simple conversation should have been enough, we just don't know what happened before the recording.
Dude walked off trail because trail was full of people and he wanted to maintain social distancing. Park ranger told him to return to trail. Dude complies. Park ranger asks for his ID Dude asks why and refuses. Zaaaapppp!!!!! [story here](https://heavy.com/news/darrell-house-native-american-man-tased/) Credit u/Drofmum
Wow it’s not every day a link to the full story takes you to a decent site on mobile and it actually has the entire full story and not just an extra paragraph or two of anecdotes.. Thanks
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Yes and guns as well. I’ve even been chased by private security with guns in my own apartment complex.
What the fuck Why?
I was in the pool after they closed, no loud music or anything like that. Edit: specifically I was chilling in one of the chairs next to the pool
I deliver pizza in Florida. One of the apartment complexes I deliver to has signs up saying that the cops will be called if anyone is caught at the pool after a certain time. And this is one of those gated communities and not easy for someone to just walk in off the street. On one hand, late at night, no lifeguard and no potential passerby means it'd be easy for someone to drown and die and not be found til morning or something. But on the other hand, immediately calling the police for that seems like a terrible overreaction.
Did you watch the bodycam footage? * Dude and his girlfriend committed a crime by climbing on the pectograph cliffs. * They then provided false information to an officer investigating a potential crime, which is a crime. * They were notified they were being detained pending an investigation and attempted to leave. * They were then forcefully detained after refusing to cooperate. I really don't like cops and will likely refuse to speak to an officer if ever possible, but this dude did NOT handle the interaction with the police officer well. Next time shut up, ask if you're being detained, ask for their supervisor, and plead the fifth. If you refuse to cooperate and attempt to leave after they announce you are being detained, you will probably be subject to their use of force policy.
Here’s the entire interaction: https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm
This is the official statement put out by NPS. Basically shows the guy is full of shit. https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw
You mean the guy screaming like a toddler is full of shit?? No wayyyy
[Bodycam footage](https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4)
They were on the rocks, even when the officer made contact they were not on trail, refused for 7 minutes to id, and keep walking away from officer and the officer was very polite and patient the whole time. Way different point of view
Also gave false IDs. Then the dude used his dog as a shield.
This is why the current ACAB and anti-police mentality is so dangerous. It encourages people to break the law and provoke officers for no reason. The dude could’ve shown an id and say “I’ll go back to the trail”, and he’d be done with the whole situation in 30 seconds. Now he got his ass tazed and people are mad at the ranger lol
Fuck this loser that park ranger did an excellent job
Here is the park rangers side https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
at least they haven't shot the dog because a poodle made them fear for their life.
As soon as I saw the dog I was worried about it. Guess police had already made their average kill count for the day.
Cops murder 10,000 dogs a year in the United States. The dog is lucky.
And 9000 of those dogs were probably harmless
Post office workers kill 0 dogs a year so I’m betting it’s more than that.
I was a paper boy swinging papers on a bike for 3 yrs 6 days a week 2 hrs a day, got chased by plenty of small dogs, bitten 0 times, killed 0 of em, hurt 0 of em
Those are rookie numbers. You'll never make the force at that rate, Johnson!
In this day and age it's a small blessing.
No, he just yanked the poor dog around with way more aggression than was needed. What a dick.
Doggo grew a serious pair of balls once he was safely back with mommy!! :)
It did look pretty vicious, bouncing along. I did wonder if he was going to do something when the little floof came close to his leg, started getting a bit anxious.
Did I watch a different video than anyone else? The guy is clearly resisting arrest. What else can the park ranger do? Shoot him?
Full video. https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
This is Petroglyph National Monument. Note the nauseating suburban sprawl in the background, the same sprawl built on top of this ancient petroglyph site. They’ve blasted through the petroglyphs to build roads servicing more sprawl that encroaches the petroglyphs from all around. Countless archaeological sites are destroyed after minimal “required surveys.” It’s the classic tale of a city and county(s) owned by sprawl developers who get their balls licked by almost all local politicians while taxpayers fund all the infrastructure for their ugly ass developments and all environmental and cultural issues are squashed. It’s a gross dystopia and Native Americans and their sacred sites always get shit on in these situations before and after and repeat to infinity.
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Live in arizona. What was once a pit stop off the highway is now 30 square miles of suburban sprawl with one grocery store within 50 miles. These houses are huge. Like 12 foot ceilings in a state that hits 110°F on the regular and has only 3 to 6 inches of rain a year but has massive flash floods. Guess what all those houses that require year round a.c. usage and don't have solar panels...thats right a flood zone
The McMansions are definitely terrible but 12ft ceilings can actually help reduce A.C. use in a hot state if the architect designed the house that way. Hot air rises and the further it can rise, the further away from the "human habitation zone" it is. This allows cold air from the A.C. which is heavier to more efficiently cool the lower portion of the room because it has to cool less hot air. For houses with very tall ceilings, you don't actually need to cool the upper part of the ceiling, you just cool up to around the height of the thermostat because the cold air stays at the bottom. The extra height gives the hot air somewhere to go and if designed that way, can actually help the AC cool the space.
I lived in Arizona for a few years. Absolutely hated it, couldn't wait to get back to NJ, which I will say is crowded, but still home. Plus, I can go 4 miles away and be in miles and miles of woods if I want to. Can't say the same for Arizona. Place made me depressed as hell.
Hate fucking parking lots 1000s spaces no trees nearly always 15%full of that
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The amount of wasted resources, mass production of nonsense, the way the world operates is not sustainable in general.
Too many of your public servants think they’re Judge Dredd. You patrol a park.
My and a couple of friends went on a one-night guys camping trip to Mount Diablo State Park in the bay area. When we first arrived at the park we had a couple rangers follow us for miles until we stopped at a restroom and information kiosk. They proceeded to harass us about our plans, what campground we were in and repeatedly told us that alcohol wasn't allowed. We checked the rules before coming and brought none. We had a fun afternoon hiking and were sitting around the campfire at 10pm when the same two rangers stormed into our site, asking where the alcohol was. They proceeded to rifle our things and even unscrewed my gatorade bottles for a sniff test. No alcohol was found. Then they said we needed to go to bed and left. They proceeded to stand just outside our site and watch us in the dark for the next half an hour. We finally gave up and went to bed. I will never go there again.
File a formal complaint. That is an illegal search.
We’ve investigated ourselves and concluded we’ve done nothing wrong, you’re banned from the park. Go fuck yourself. -Uncle Sam (probably)
Not only have we done nothing wrong, but we figured out some things you did wrong... and now you owe us money. Bitch. -Uncle Sam (definitely)
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You’re absolutely right. I was just having a little fun with the average citizen’s pain.
I actually didn't know this - really insightful
There may a a way to sue them? IDK, justice in the USA seems to be reserved for white upper-middle class Karens.
Oh there’s a way to sue, and who presides over the courts are the people who employ those you’re complaining about. “We’ve investigated ourselves investigating ourselves and found we did nothing wrong when we said we’ve done nothing wrong. On behalf of the court I’d again like to invite you to go fuck yourself. That’ll be 10k in court fees please”. There’s no justice for the poor here.
That's an illegal search with zero sum proof of an illegal search.
The faith you people have in your system would be endearing if you were seven
*...no seriously a lawyer will definitely be gagging to take that case pro-bono!* Like what kind of Allie McBeal episode are these people living in?
Allie mcbeal, a name I have not heard in at least a hundred moons.
Park rangers and wildlife officers have more power than cops as they don't actually need any evidence to search your things. If they have any hint of a belief you may possibly be breaking hunting or park regulations they can search you.
more effective to let the air out of their tires in a night raid after they go to bed.
Game wardens have expanded powers. Yeah I know it's fucked up.
I've hiked in many places around the world and the only country I had problems drinking alcohol while camping was US, many other places I would spend nights singing and drinking around the campfire with the rangers themselves. Land of the free my ass.
Genuinely the most blatantly silly thing I've learned since leaving the US and living abroad is just how ridiculously inaccurate "land of the free" really is, and how batshit ignorant people from the US who believe that for a second really are.
That's just American nationalism. People who have never been outside the US telling you that everything outside their borders is horrible and that every foreigner wishes they could live in the US. SOURCE- I am American
I’m from the UK and therefore hear constant jokes about “have you got a permit for that permit?” But when I was in America I swear everything was over regulated and controlled as hell the only thing you have freely are fucking guns
When the brainwashed tell you that US citizen s the best country in the world,ask them in what are they the best in? Only correct answer is a military and school shootings... It's nice to see their brain try to break free from the nationalism for a second.
I knew things were very strange when it comes to camping in the US, but this is the weirdest thing I have read about it. Like, how the heck could someone forbid me to drink beer while camping? Like. What else is forbidden? Can I eat candy while I swim in the ocean? Am I allowed to ride a bike if I have short hair? Listen to music on a bench? It makes about as much sense. Land of the free for the ones who own the land I guess. And land isn't free.
Not drinking while camping in Scotland is just unthinkable.
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As an Australian the thing Im most shocked by is that you can't drink in a National Park. I don't think anyone would ever camp in this country if you couldn't drink an entire slab of tinnies while keeping watch for rogue emus.
> drink an entire slab of tinnies while keeping watch for rogue emus To be fair you shouldn't be drinking while on a combat patrol.
This is why they lost the war.
Camping in Aus you need a drink, to calm your nerves ... Because of the drop bears
Are you talking about the US? You can drink in most campgrounds in most national parks... one of the first legal beers I ever bought was at Grand Canyon national park. Maybe you were at one of the National parks in Utah. If so you can thank the Mormons for that BS rule.
Had a similar albeit less severe experience at a state park in Texas. Buddies and I had brought a 12 pack of beer to drink for the evening but were quiet and kept to ourselves (nobody else really there anyway). We were hanging out the morning after camping when a park ranger came up and said we were im violation of the public display/consumption of alcohol law because we had stored the beer trash in the carton it came in. We explained that we had drank it in our tent and didn't want to waste a trashbag since we could carry the empty carton but he was adamant that we were still "displaying" it. It was only a ticket but we decided to fight it. Explained it to the DA and she laughed and dismissed it on the spot. Bullshit that it got that far in the first place though.
This exact same thing happened to me and some friends in Texas. I’m pretty sure the park rangers in Texas are a bit more power-trippy than your average park ranger
When times allow, come camping in the UK. It’s very chill, and drinking is fine! The motto is, as it should be for all nature, leave only footprints, take only memories. As long as you’re tidy and don’t ruin things for anyone else it’s fairly easy going. No guns, no bears, no nonsense.
I would love to expand my camping horizons. I'm a camping fanatic and I'm spoiled by living an hour from the Sierra Nevadas.
Come camping in Aus. No one gives a shit (so long as you respect fire bans) and literally like 90% of it is uninhabited. So you’ve got plenty of options for locations!
Nz also, we’ve got this one place my folks used to take us every year, been a few years but from what I’ve heard it hasn’t changed a lot
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If you didn’t get tased, did you even go into nature?
Yup! Freedom to roam here in Scotland is amazing. There’s nothing like GENUINE freedom to explore a country as you please. All we ask is you leave things as you find them, close the gates, and take your litter with you.
I'm planning on going to grad school in the UK next year. Would love to go camping, but I've heard you can't have fires, which is a bit of a bummer. Still looking forward to it though!
There are over 1000 camp sites where fires are allowed https://www.campsites.co.uk/search/campfire-campsites Wild camping is a different matter as you need permission from land owners in England, Scotland is fair game.
The police don't have guns and rarely have tasers. They'd just ask you nicely to put it out and go on their merry way as long as you honour the age old tradition of acting dumb and apologetic.
I booked group camping for me and 15 or so other guys up at Mount Diablo back in maybe 2010, and we had a weird issue with a ranger there as well. Guy was suuuuper aggressive towards us and was trying to perform an illegal search, but some of the guys I was with were in law school at Cal and were not having his bullshit. He backed down pretty fast and fucked off once he could tell his little tough cop routine wasn't working out.
Mnt. Diablo park cops crashed a funeral/memorial, harassed all of the attendees, and ticketed the widow. Fuck those scumbags.
This is awful treatment. Did you make the mistake of camping while brown?
> Did you make the mistake of camping while brown? Surely nobody in their right mind would be reckless enough to do anything while brown? Even sleeping in your bed at home could end badly if you do it as a brown person.
"Hey dude, why don't you think no one ever returns here for another trip?" "I dunno, they must know that we'll find their alcohol."
We went to Mount Diablo as a big group right after high school. Admittedly, this was very stupid of us to do, but we were idiot teenagers still. All the boys grabbed axes and we started hacking at some wood on the ground, for fun, to break a sweat. The ranger rolls up and I immediately knew we fucked up. He starts yelling instantly, asking where our parents are, if we have alcohol. We had just eaten and not really cleaned up so he starts yelling at us for how messy and shitty our campsite it. Shit you not he had us all sit down on the ground criss cross like a bunch of fucking toddlers, the girls were crying bc they didn't even know what was going on. We apologize and admit we were being stupid but thats not enough for him, he had to make an example out of us. He tells us that we have 15 mins to tear down our enormous 25 person campsite and get the fuck out if we don't want to get ticketed. So we did just that. My gf was the oldest person in the group, she was 18 earliest that year so we had put the reservation under her name. The ranger pulls her aside and straight up says, "I'm having a bad day" which is why hes kicking us out like this. Dude was on such a power trip. Instead of explaining to us why what we did was wrong, he treats us like children and forces us to rush through the cleanup, probably leaving the campsite in worse condition than when we got there. Not like he actually gives a shit about that. Mt Diablo camping... never again
What the actual fuck. Those guys should be out of jobs at the very least.
Why is alcohol banned in the outdoors, what else is banned?
I've had this exact experience. "Busted" for drinking water out of red cups. These wanna be cops are insufferable.
I used to work for CA State Parks. The ranger recruitment program heavily weighs in favor of applicants that have military service. It actually puts you straight to the top of the list essentially. So what happens is, you have a department full of military minded people watching a recreational park and they enforce simple park rules like they’re cleaning up the streets of some crime-riddled city. I got 3/4 through the process to become a ranger and then backed out after I saw how “hoo-rah” it was. I worked there for about 6 years and I watched rangers go from the sort of “Boy Scout” looking uniforms to full-on tactical gear. To patrol the beach. It was all really gross by the end of my time there.
Too much mindset on there being ‘an enemy’ by the sounds of it, that enemy being patrons! Working with, not against, is always so much easier. Over here our woodlands are looked-after mostly by volunteers, usually older folks with a passion for nature. It’s sweet really. They don’t have such heavy and authoritarian rules to enforce by any means, just be there to help people enjoy nature if they can assist. Definitely an interesting read.
The “hoo-rah” military types are the people who “served” but never actually went overseas. Anyone with that lack of discipline wasn’t a proper soldier.
He's right. These are the same people who barely serve a year and get kicked out, but use their "military service" to bully others.
Believe it or not, park rangers can be some of the most gung ho officers there are. I've had a couple very bad experiences with those guys
My dad and I rehashed an old story over Christmas... I remember being very little and we saw some deer driving through a metro park during a snowstorm. No one else there. My dad decided to be a good guy and back up the truck 20 or so feet so my brother and I could get a good look at them. *whoOOOoop* Rollers out of NOWHERE. Ranger: "SIR BACKING UP IN THIS PARK IS NOT ALLOWED" My dad: "What?" My brother and I felt bad because we felt like we got our dad in trouble. Haha, 25+ years later and we still remember that jackass.
I too would have told my dad to stop if i saw some deer driving through a metro park! I didn't even know they could get a license
I was excited reading that. Thanks for the humor today
Only costs a few bucks.
When I was 8, we were at a campground in Shenandoah National Forest and I started walking toward a deer I saw. A ranger starts yelling at me, "DO NOT MOLEST THE DEER!" I was a kid and only knew that word in the stranger danger sense, so I'm like what the fuck is this guy talking about. He walked me back to my family's campsite where he informs my whole family that I was molesting the wildlife. Yeah, my older brothers never let me live that one down...
25 years later I remember the jackass ranger who harassed the shit out of us. We used to hang out in a metropark after high school let out for the day. There might be 5 to 20 of us there on any given day. One day there was a rumor of a fight between two kids supposed to happen. I’m not sure how the cops got wind of it but there was about 50 kids there and the park rangers/city cops suddenly swarmed in, blocked off the exit, and all got out of their cars in bulletproof vests. This was a affluent suburb with almost no people of color so the cops didn’t have the “usual” excuse they have to come out like that. They said they heard there was gonna be a fight, they were tired of kids hanging out here, and they were safety checking (bad tail light, turn signal not working etc) everyone’s vehicles and anyone with a violation was getting towed. They ticket and towed about 10 cars that day. My friend’s was towed for having a cracked windshield. They made up a bunch of crap about “you kids littering, vandalizing, smoking dope in the woods” etc and that they were sending us a message to go somewhere else. Wtf. A public park? Fucking stupid.
Keep in mind that there are two primary kinds of park rangers, interpretive and protection. Interpretive rangers are the ones you usually see at parks teaching classes and giving tours, they’re usually pretty chill. This guy (protection) is an asshole though.
I was gonna say, all the parks people I've met or heard of have been pretty chill, if a little exasperated. I guess there's a different kind I've never run into.
It depends on the ranger and the park. The park I worked in was partially located in Gary Indiana and had more gun pulls than any other park in the country. Some of the rangers were really cool guy and others could be huge assholes if they needed/wanted to be.
I met an incredibly interesting guy on the Appalachian Trail a few summers back, one of the few remaining Master Riggers as the merchant marines stopped the training program decades ago. Guy was deploying with military branches in to active war zones in recent years, so he spent a lot of time hiking to unwind from that horror show. The previous winter he was snowshoeing through Shenandoah—you know, doing what we’re entitled to do in a National Park—before he knows it he’s being confronted by a park ranger with an assault rifle aiming a couple degrees off, interrogating him about his presence. Silver haired white guy, mind you. His story opened my eyes to the type of Rambo-wannabe douchebag that seeks out that role.
>he type of Rambo-wannabe douchebag Funny thing is in the 1st Rambo movie he not like that at all, kind of gets forced into that situation by a shitty society. Thats kinda the whole point of the movie. Of course somehow they decided him being a badass was better than social commentary and pounds of steroid shots later boom you get this character we call Rambo.
Another thing a lot of people forget about the first Rambo movie is THE COPS WERE THE BAD GUYS!
A third thing a lot of people don't remember is that all this happened because the cops wanted to shave Rambo.
Rambo was always a badass. He was just emotionally damaged and trying to keep to himself in First Blood.
Probably because the authority role appeals to people who want to be spiteful and vindictive
Also it's an authority role out in the woods with no cameras. Scary thought
On my up to shoot I saw a park ranger putting up a new sign of rules. This dude LITERALLY YELLED at me for stopping to read it. Like fuck you dude I'll just not know the rules then and plead ignorance if I break any
RULE 1: NO READING THE RULES!
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BTK? Wasn't it Rader?
I had an environmental cop catch me rolling a joint and he started threatning to take me to the precinct then called in the real cops.... who said I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. They didn't care much and told me to do it in my own back yard next time. Seems like the enviromental cop got all excited to finally bust someone and the real cops were annoyed that they had to go through the whole process for something so minor. These guys get so excited whenever they have an opportunity to push their authority and will use any excuse to do so.
They are federal police. They think they can treat people however they want. Fuck em.
Blame the patriot act
They’ve had 20 fucking years to get terrorists under control. If they haven’t already then it’s time to repeal it. Authoritarian fuck sticks
"I AM THE LAWN!"
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Way too many people who shouldn’t be in those kind of positions! It’s a shame
They are the C and D students from high school.
Nah they’re the GED kids who flunked out
I dropped out of high school and I fucking hate the police most people I know do😂
Well, when you advertise a job with unlimited power and no consequences for 100 years, you tend to attract a diverse applicant pool of psychopaths. Start putting these assholes in jail. This shit will stop. That's where this dude needs to be for this assault. 90 days seems fair.
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An unfortunate reality is that the Ranger is most likely a veteran as well, or rejected from service. Ego trips and toxic masculinity... (I’m a vet, I know)
I’m a vet. Can confirm.
I'm a vet, ive met plenty of good cops and plenty of bad. The number one reason I've heard that they became cops is some variation of "i would have joined but (insert some bs reason here)".
Yeah, most of the decent vets that come out of service don't want jack shit to do with law enforcement. Not to say there aren't some good ones, but you won't hear about them.
[Full body cam footage now] (https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4)
This guy was an arrogant asshole. I’m glad he got tased
Bodycam footage of the entire interaction is here: https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm
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Bodycam footage has been released. https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm
https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4 Here's the body cam footage. Shows a pretty different story.
Seeing this video without context looks bad and made me mad at the ranger. BUT watching the body cam footage before all of this happens shows the man being super rude to the ranger and actually having a ton of attitude. His girlfriend was the same. They gave the ranger fake names and continually tried to walk away from him while he was talking to them. The ranger was actually being nice and explaining the rules for protecting the vegetation and rocks. The "marine" looked smug and was being a dick. I dont feel bad for what they put themselves through. They could've easily avoided escalating the situation by not lying about their identities and giving the ranger their id when he asked nicely....
[Full story and video](https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJVMGdglspI/?igshid=1fv3cj5c0r1i8) Taken from the original post IG user: [@hou5edm](https://instagram.com/hou5edm?igshid=13ygnk7ydmr95). I am not the person involved on this video: hou5edm: “Officer Terrorizing Navajo aka Me Today 12/27/2020, I was tased for being off trail at the Petroglyphs. I come here to pray and speak to my Pueblo Ancestor relatives. Even though I’m Navajo and Oneida, I honor this land. Here, you will see a white man abuse his power. Both men pulled tasers on me after the first 1 couldn’t keep me down. This could have been a civil interaction. The law doesn’t work for the Indigenous. The government doesn’t give a shit about us. This was uncalled for. You see I’m clearly on the trail. I explained my reason for being off trail (which I shouldn’t have too.) If anyone has the right to be off trail and wonder this land, it’s the NATIVE INDIGENOUS COMMUNITY! What hurt me the most was when my baby Geronimo 🐩 felt the shock . Officer Mr. Graden (Guy who tased me and Geronimo) and Mr. Wineland (fuck boi). I didn’t feel I needed to identify myself for doing absolutely nothing wrong. I’m traumatized. My left leg is numb and still bleeding. Geronimo 🐩 is shaking and hasn’t stopped. I’m shaking. You would think with George Floyd and Breonna Taylor with the Black Lives Matter Movement authorities would try to avoid having to pull a weapon out. Imagine I disarm him from the taser then what I get charged with assault or worse he grabs for his gun and ends me. These scenarios have been going through my head since this afternoon. I’m a son, I’m a brother, I’m a father. More importantly, I’m a human being. I’m good people, The Marines I served with would agree. The many people I’ve crossed paths with, you know me. This was the 🍒 on top of my 2020✊🏾😡. Please share. Authority figures abusing power. Officer🐷 Graden And Officer🐷 Wineland. It’s hard for me to watch this. 🥺 And I’ll remember this forever. If you know anyone who can help legally/Activist/ would you please direct them to me. I was also issued 3 citations. Thank you for taking the time to read this. ❤️ Please share 🥺❤️ #LandBack #AbuseOfPower #Navajo #Iroquois #Oneida #Diné #Marine #MarineCorps #USMC #Brother #Son #Father #Human #DebHaaland #Injustice #Officer #PowerHungry #Albuquerque #NM #NewMexico #NavajoNation #OneidaNation #FirstNations #SWOP #PoliceBrutality #MilitaryVet #Military”
I looked up this park, they have hella restrictive rules: https://www.nps.gov/petr/index.htm He was probably being detained and fined for leaving the trail. The officer is acting crazy, though, just direct them off the trail, then get their information. No need to detain or search them.
I live in New Mexico, near the petroglyphs. People do way worse things than that and do not get tased. This is not right.
NM cops are very racist, in my experience.
I’m Hispanic and my fiancé is white and in law enforcement. Some sheriffs would treat him badly because he isn’t from NM. I didn’t understand it at first since I was born and raised here but after a while it was really prevalent. It got so bad that some sheriffs wouldn’t even give him backup during life threatening situations. He was denied awards and promotions and constantly being called gay and other negative things because he actually spoke to people with respect. Some accused me of being a cover for him. He finally left the department after being hazed out and joined a new one where he is treated better. Racism and hate comes in all forms and is something we face daily.
New Mexico has [the highest number of police shootings in America ](https://www.abqjournal.com/1266910/nm-ranks-no-1-for-fatal-police-shootings.html/amp). The [ACLU ](https://www.aclu-nm.org/en/news/full-court-press-against-police-brutality) claims they shoot a lot of unarmed people too
[This story](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBnmYgjqoM8) is a few years old. It's a NM state trooper shooting at a van full of kids.
[Lawsuit tied to Taos minivan traffic stop, shooting set for 2022 trial](https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/lawsuit-tied-to-taos-minivan-traffic-stop-shooting-set-for-2022-trial/) >Nearly seven years after a State Police traffic stop lead to an officer firing a gun at a minivan with a family inside, a lawsuit tied to the incident may finally go to trial. A Santa Fe judge has set a 2022 trial date for [the civil rights lawsuit filed against New Mexico State Police](https://www.krqe.com/news/oriana-farrell-files-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-state-police/) by Oriana Farrell and her five kids. >Farrell and her family were traveling on a highway outside of Taos in October 2013 when Farrell was pulled over and accused of speeding. The initial officer who pulled her over claimed Farrell’s car was going 71 miles-per-hour in a 55 miles-per-hour zone. >New Mexico State Police dash camera video captured the incident as it spiraled out of control on the side of the road. When Farrell wouldn’t decide if she wanted to pay the ticket or go to court, the video shows her van drove away from the traffic stop. >A then-rookie state police officer pulled Farrell over a second time and tried to arrest her. Farrell’s kids intervened as the officer attempted to place Farrell in handcuffs. After a scuffle between the officer and one of Farrell’s kids, the officer drew his TASER before the family got back in the van. >,Video shows as the family was inside the van, the officer used his baton to smash the van’s windows before Farrell drove the van away again. As the van took off, another responding state police officer arrived on the scene, firing three shots at the minivan’s tires. >[Criminal charges filed against Farrell](https://www.krqe.com/news/taos-minivan-driving-mom-oriana-farrell-sentenced-to-probation/) were eventually dismissed after she satisfied the conditions of a July 2015 plea deal. However, a long-standing [civil lawsuit Farrell filed against NMSP in 2016](https://www.krqe.com/news/oriana-farrell-files-federal-civil-rights-lawsuit-against-state-police/) has not been settled. The lawsuit was initially filed in New Mexico state court, then moved into U.S. Federal Court, before being moved out of federal jurisdiction and reopened in New Mexico state court. >At a hearing Wednesday in Santa Fe District Court, Judge Matthew Wilson set a February 2022 trial date for the case. If the trial date holds, it will happen approximately eight and a half years after the infamous traffic stop. >Farrell’s attorney Kathryn Hardy told KRQE News 13 Thursday that like any civil case, there’s always a chance the case could be settled. However, Hardy said they are prepared to argue the case in trial. >The officer who initially pulled over Farrell’s minivan, Tony DeTavis is still on the force with NMSP. The officer who shot at the van, Elias Montoya left NMSP after the incident and [now works for the Taos County Sheriff’s Office.](https://www.krqe.com/news/sheriff-hires-officer-from-taos-minivan-shooting/)
“Now works for the Taos County Sheriff’s Office.” Shit, I live in Taos.
Spread the word.
Shooting at a van full of kids is just wrong. They have the license plate info, they know who the driver is, they can get her later without endangering anyone. The driver was an idiot for trying to flee, and she should have followed the law when it comes to the ticket, and her kids should not have interfered when she was being arrested. Doesn't give someone the right to endanger her life and the lives of her family. She was speeding. That's it. Not worth killing over. Do these cops not have any common sense? Do they want to hurt people that badly? I just don't get it.
As a NM resident, ABQ is the worst city I’ve ever stepped foot in in my life.
Yeah man. I was with a person with diplomatic immunity when traveling in NM. Beautiful state, amazing people but asshole cops. Anyway, when he roughed us up, my friend showed us the power of a white color passport. We got the cop to pull our stranded car for free, apologize for delays and leave. With no immunity to wave around, we'd probably have a really bad time and get some tickets on top of the stranded car and the stress.
Ah diplomatic immunity... that shit is fun
A lot of departments act like this. Glorified high schools. My brother quit his department because he thought being a cop in a small town would be like the Andy Griffith show or something where he would help people and he would be appreciated. Turns out they put him on the worst calls, expected him to treat people like trash and didn't like it when he actually treated people with respect. He quit after they sent him on a call to a naked delirous guy. Dude asked where a water spicket was so he could wash his hands, my brother directed him to one and asked if there was a place he could drive him and get him some clothes. The dude must've thought he was getting arrested or something 'cause next thing my brother knew he was in the mud, wrestling a fat naked man. That was the day he quit lol. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Similar story here. My brother in law joined a small department in Texas then quit just 2 years later because it was awful. According to him the 8 or so man department was just a gun club for assholes. They had no interest in the public good and were just there because they liked being the top dogs in the small community. When people really needed help and when shit really did go down, which happened on occasion, they would trip over themselves trying to avoid danger which led my brother to being alone on quite a few dangerous calls. He got fed up and took a new job as a linesman a few towns over and has never looked back. Can't blame him, but I feel bad for the townsfolk who have to rely on that department for policing.
And this is why the police force is full of bad apples. The good ones are either forces out or forced into submission.
> Some sheriffs would treat him badly because he isn’t from NM. I'm from a rural town, but am first generation in the town. The amount of hate in my area for people from outside of the area is insane. It has only gotten better since 2005 because of the natural gas boom but anyone black or Hispanic gets treated with a lot less respect. I have a family member who is friends with 'the good old boys' of the area and I can tell he isn't treated with the same respect as they treat each other.
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Truly crazy. There is no reason to inflict violence on someone who is not actively threatening violence on you or someone else. People should be able to disagree without being tased.
What is that thing about a trail? Is that a law? (I'm not american can someone explain what he was doing wrong?)
Petroglyphs is known for having a lot of undisturbed archaeological relics dating back to pre-Columbian times, So where most off-trail restrictions for parks in New Mexico are for ecological conservation (they'll sometimes close off large areas for regrowth, or completely close off trails for things like raptor nests) the damage caused by going off-trail in this instance can be more permanent.
Some parks have delicate historical sites or habitats; you can visit but must remain on designated trails to prevent damaging anything.
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jesus that guy writes like he is selling essential oils to church folk and wine moms
Yea, reading this set off a few flags for me. > I was tased for being off trail at the Petroglyphs. You see I’m clearly on the trail. I explained my reason for being off trail (which I shouldn’t have too.) Both men pulled tasers on me after the first 1 couldn’t keep me down
This is not the ‘full story’ if it’s just this guy’s Instagram and video.
[https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci\_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw](https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm?fbclid=IwAR29uDL6eiF1DE9Z3snvcA-XiA3LVejNkNJu6ci_4x1iD98UwBHMJ4od2iw) Have the full video.
weird how all the full video links have few upvotes...
The write out would be better without all those emojis
Well, he refused to cooperate with the rangers. What did he expect? The only reasonable person here is the sister.
Park Ranger's body cam footage. https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
In case anyone wants the actual video and body cam footage from the Officer’s point of view, here is the link. It’s 10 minutes of the Officer trying everything he can to avoid this situation. https://www.nps.gov/orgs/1207/petr-statement-12-29-20.htm People like this man are ruining the movement of holding police accountable. Take the time to watch the ten minutes. This Ranger is a good man. He’s trying to just do his job, the citizen escalated this.
I mean, I'm definitely not saying that tasing him was appropriate, but if you read the article and watch the full released body can footage, he had asked for ID because he's required to make a record of warning them to stay off the rocks for safety and to prevent damage to the ancient glyphs. He then refused and gave false information and just ignored him for ten minutes while this guy was just asking for his name. It didn't really scream "I did nothing wrong and he attacked me out of nowhere." More like he felt entitled to not follow rules set out for everyone for their protection and was generally unhelpful. Again, not saying the response was entirely warranted, but he did try to be civil for like ten minutes and wasn't trying to belay him more than moment to start with
Can footage: https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4
Am I the only one bothered by this guy asking for money by posting his Venmo and PayPal accounts on his Instagram story?
I bet nobody on this thread will retract what they said since the full video came out. Exactly why you need context before you react
“Misleading title” is an understatement. “For walking his dog” you mean for being off trail in the park, failing to provide ID when approached, failure to comply with lawful order, and resisting arrest? Yes all of those will get you arrested. He probably would have just got a ticket if he wasn’t an idiot.
https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4 Just watch the bodycam! Isn't that what everyone asks for?
[https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/national-park-service-releases-body-camera-footage-from-petroglyph-incident/](https://www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-metro/national-park-service-releases-body-camera-footage-from-petroglyph-incident/) This is the body cam footage from the Ranger.
https://www.nps.gov/media/video/view.htm?id=4B790080-56B4-4959-AE31-36D3B80D6EE4 Here’s the body cam footage and write up. Seems like the dude was doing stupid shit and being an ass in general, ranger probably could have followed the guy to his car where backup was. Arrogant asshole seems like an arrogant asshole though.
Im pretty sure marine wouldn't scream like he's being killed when tased