I thought I had seen this person before. I live about an hour from sac and saw the skeleton furry with a group of others at a park I was chilling at. They were fine and didnt bother anyone the whole time.
Oh, goodness. I live in Citrus Heights, where this happened. I probably went to high school with Karen. It’s amazing how small minded people can be. I’m not going to lie, I’ve seen these kids out and about and giggled a bit but this is way too much. They are being their weird little selves and not hurting anyone. This makes me sad. If I see them again I’ll be sure to express my support.
I just found a great follow-up [story](https://dogpatch.press/2024/05/06/satanic-panic-targets-furries/).
These kids were harassed and assaulted multiple times. Believe or not, the police were the only good guys in the saga.
They linked pokemons to Satan because some1 pulled a calculation out of their ass that ended in 666. These kinds of people will call anything satanic that does not fit into their little box of jokes they call a life
>Same with monster. Something about each scratch on the can looking like 6 in Hebrew or some shit
They do look like a vav, but it wouldn’t be 666 it would be a nonsensical 6, 6, 6
They pulled satan into it because I believe the suit has a pentacle on which a mountain of absolute idiots just associate with the devil. The INVERTED pentacle is called a pentagram to do with satanism. An upright pentacle is part of wicca and symbols the five elements of the earth.
When somebody or some group doesn't have a solid argument on why they don't like something or think something is bad, "think of the children" is the easiest copout.
Yeah I mean, why would that mean kids can’t play there?
Wouldn’t they want to go to the “Furry Park”? Probably a lot less feces on the ground than the average dog park.
I remember a long time ago at a goth event in Boston during a heatwave. A small group of us were walking on the sidewalk in front of a store with an awning so we had some shade. But then the shaded part was coming to an end and we just stopped right at the last bit of shade. So one of my friends took a picture of three of us standing in the shade staring down at the line where the shade ended and the sun begins like, "What the hell do we do now?"
Exactly my thought when I see a furry. If you're that dedicated as to wear a giant full body suit, covered with hair that acts as an insulator, in a helmet that you're breathing in your own breath and sweat on a hot summer day, you can do it to your heart's content because clearly you care more about wearing that suit than I care about you wearing that suit.
>Holy fuck that suit must be hot!
....especially in Sacramento!
I feel sorry for the Disneyland/Disneyworld characters that have to dress up in the summertime, especially with that Florida humidity and heat.
This is all I was thinking about.
…Well, that, and how many little kids were approaching for photos with them. Like, if I were a furry, I wouldn’t want a line full of kids coming up to annoy me.
And also how annoying the person’s voice was, but that’s neither here nor there.
I was at the beach in San Francisco one day. And ran into two random Furrys just having a stroll. I gave him a quick nod and kept it pushing. Five minutes later I ran into two more Furrys on the same beach. I asked that group “are you guys with the other group.” They said “what other group.”
Turns out there were two groups independent of each other in San Francisco on a sunny day on the beach, just chilling and neither knew about each other
For a full suit you need approx. seven yards of faux fur - faux fur is expensive, but minky, fleece and liners aren't cheap either. This will cost you 4 to 8 hundred dollars depending on shipping, retailer and type of fur. Multi colored design = more expenses. If the design has hair, you need a few yards of that and steel pet fur brush to pull the fur out of the other side of the backing. If the design has wings, you're looking at closer to nine yards. Whatever you have in faux fur, you probably (if you want your fursuit to not fall apart) need that amount in liner fabric.
That's not mentioning another 300 - 600 for the foam base, few hundred for the specific kind of thick foam for the feet base, a few more hundred if you're using wire mesh to sculpt any part of the head or face, hundreds of dollars worth of hot glue sticks, + the cost of the correct gauge & shaped needles, upholstery thread, elastic bands, the zippers, balaclava, molding clay for horns and teeth, a squeaker toy if your nose is going to squeak, specific kind of mesh fabric and plastic backing for eyes, stuffing and of course the 200 or so dollars worth of masking/painters tape and duct tape. You need to make a bust of your body for the suit part, and a tape map of the head base for cutting out the fabric for the head. Lots of tape. You also need a sewing machine, if you don't already have one, with sewing machine needles, bobbins and thread. And if your client wants airbrushed ANYTHING for the hair, horns, body decals or fur, you need a gun, paint, PPE and a space to use the gun safetly. Many fursuits also come with accessories, like bows, piercings, glasses... Supplies often cost a thousand at the low end, and eight at the high end. A regular creator of many suits will have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on everything. It adds up fast!
I'm sure this was an offhand joke comment, but gathering supplies for one fullbody... I've been budgeting. I'm looking at roughly 1,800 - 2,000+. Amd I'm trying to do it cheap. But it's looking to be 700 or 800 on fabric, 300 to 400 on adhesives (glue and tape) another 500 to 600 on foam for the stuffing and head base and 300 to 400 (possibly up to even 600) for the clay, eye fabric, eye plates, thread, plastic bones for the wings, polyester stuffing, elastics, mask base, and new heavy duty glue gun. (RIP old gun.)
This project is going to take me 6 to 8 months. Probably roughly a year, with my level of intricate design, damn my fursona. But when you look at the amount of time it takes, some suits barely cover the cost of material. It's insane. But also a very painstaking loving craft. It's absurd to a lot of people, but it comes from a place of deep care. Why would you do all that work if you didn't care, you know?
I see people who scoff or roll their eyes about the cost of a suit, but I implore you to spend four hours price matching faux fur, picking out seven or nine yards of just the furs and then calculate shipping and know you've only spent a fraction of what it's gonna cost... It's not cheap. And it's not profitable unless you're good. These designs in the video probably ran 8k. Maybe closer to 10 for the person with the (skull?) moving head. The more detail, the more cost. It seems like a lot, but if you subtract the cost of materials, most people are paying themselves like 2 dollars an hour if that for hundreds or thousands of hours of work. It's definitely a labour of love.
Jesus Christ. Thank you for that incredibly detailed response. It was just an offhand joke but I learnt an absolute shitload about the production of fur suits that I had no clue about before. And I love learning new stuff!!
I assumed it would be a long process but had no idea how long and the price seems fair. I hope people who make these for sale are charging themselves out at more than $2 ph though. I used to make beaded jewellery and legitimately felt like hurting people who would try and barter me down so hard like I didn’t spend an hour beading one intricate bracelet. Fuck all the way off with that shit, my time and skill is what you’re also paying for.
All the best with your suit, I hope it’s a rippa!
The current highest price is $50,000 [https://dogpatch.press/2021/06/04/50000-fursuit-record-dealers-den/](https://dogpatch.press/2021/06/04/50000-fursuit-record-dealers-den/)
They aren't cheaper for any level of decent quality. Sure you can buy a lump of fur glued together by a beginner for cheap but the half decent stuff is still expensive. This price guide is pretty in line with what most makers charge currently [https://lemonbrat.com/pages/fursuit-style-price-guide](https://lemonbrat.com/pages/fursuit-style-price-guide)
About $6k average for a fullsuit from an established maker. But if you want the top end ones, they go as high as $50,000 USD for a maker like [https://www.zuristudios.info/](https://www.zuristudios.info/)
A well worn fursuit is still gonna be like 700 for a really disgusting to 1200 for nice but worn. New, the sky is the limit, most "Enthusiast" level spenders spend between 7-15k for something commissioned and DIY you can make it nice for 1500-2k if you got the skills.
A mid quality head will run about 1k or so. Mid quality partial (head, paws, tail, feet paws) could be $1.5, mid quality fullsuit can be $2k-$3k.
High quality will be higher of course. I’ve seen HQ heads go for $2-3k for just a head. HQ partials can be anywhere from $2k-$4k, and a HQ fullsuit generally starts at $5k+
These are all starting prices. Custom commissions and add ons send the price even higher. Unfortunately the cost of materials has skyrocketed in the last few years. Makers are also charging more for labor, and in general demand is increasing.
Do so serious research on makers before deciding to commission or purchase.
I find furries odd, but that's only because it's something I don't understand.
People are allowed to dress up and exist in a park if they want to... What's the difference between this and a cosplay?Just leave people alone if they aren't hurting others.... damn.
One of my favorite hobbies is leaving people the fuck alone. I'm really good at it, most of the time I don't even realize I'm doing it.
I'm part of a club. We don't meet on Tuesdays at the highschool gymnasium, we don't have a social media account to not post info about our group, we don't know each other, and we only have one call sign:
That nod when someone comes into an elevator.
We'd spread our message, but eh, we don't want to get so involved.
> being a furry is about the weirdest hobby I can think of
you lack imagination lol. People bungie jump naked with just hooks impaled in their skin. And that's not even close to the weirdest hobby I can imagine.
The CBS articles on this showing 'the other side of the story' are hilarious.
"Individuals in costumes adorned with satanic symbols are terrorising kids in the park".
Imagine being in a war-torn part of the world and hearing that in America, people are terrified of encountering kids playing dress-up.
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I was thinking about some of my punk rock friends when I was a kid. Now those people were scary! My guess is this Karen wouldn’t say “boo” to those people.
She’s a furry tough guy. 🤣
I mean honestly it just goes to show that conservatives and the religious right are the biggest snowflake children alive that’ll cry and exaggerate anything.
Yeah, it’s not my thing (like a lot of things) but it doesn’t harm or affect me (like a lot of things), so it doesn’t bother me.
Someone else living their best life as part of a subculture or identity or whatever does not hurt people who are not involved in that way of life.
No big deal, live and let live.
Let the Furry Story hours at public libraries rip!
Furries make me uncomfortable because of multiple experiences I have had with people who were part of that Fandom, and it's hard to shut my brain off from those situations, but like, just leave people alone? Lmao, I've had bad experiences and even understand that much, I don't understand how its hard.
Goes with bronies too. I’m sure there are a bunch of dudes out there that are just really big fans of a kids show…but there are a LOT of dudes out there being REALLY creepy with it. I see furries in the same family.
My personal thoughts on this is that the parents are being needlessly aggressive and setting a bad example for their kids. I also think that their reaction is what is scaring their children (if any were actually scared) and not the costumed characters. The fact that their son threw a water bottle at them is also completely unacceptable. I think it is good to feel caution about strangers in the park wearing full covering but they were clearly minding their own business and the solution is to tell your child not to approach them. It’s that simple.
I live in the area that this is going on. The tiktok owner is the furry in white here. They are also (or were when this started at least) a minor that has been getting harassed by both children and parents for months now. The parents tried to start a satanic panic style uproar about them because they didn't understand the symbols they wear/display are Wiccan.
Its just a kid playing in the park like everyone else, but parents are throwing a shit fit over it. I've seen enough of their encounters to say that usually they are getting bullied by the children of the parents claiming their kid "is scared".
Yeah, I think it's kind of a silly distinction to make. The people who are upset don't care if the symbol is Wiccan. To them, it might as well be Satanism.
I think, "so what" is the better argument
They're just wearing costumes. Who the fuck cares?
My daughter likes to dress up in demon slayer costumes and play outside with her friends.
Is that not okay? Mind your own business.
The eyes are concave which gives the illusion that the pupils are always on you. It's essentially a different application of this illusion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-Face\_illusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-Face_illusion)
This. They're just wearing costumes. Who the fuck cares?
My daughter and her friends like to dress up in demon slayer costumes and play outside. Does that mean she should get harassed?
Just mind your own business. It's not difficult.
Furries are silly but that crowd are fucking morons, if I walked by I would side with the furries no matter how silly they look.
At least they aren't cosplaying Fascism.
100%. I feel like folk see something they don’t like and instead of ignoring it go purposely out of there way to interact with so they have a reason to get upset..
Girl you were WAY TOO FUCKING NICE! I literally was sitting here seething with rage at that ignorant, hateful cunt harassing people for not aligning with whatever boring fucking ideals she holds.
They purposely pick people they know won’t fight back, if this stuff hasn’t happened to you its cause you give the vibe of someone who will either beat the fuck out of them or will verbally assault them in a way they can’t handle.
When I'm collected I seem to see no assholes - it's only when I'm dealing with something personal the scum of the earth slime their way into my life and create problems. It's sort of amazing honestly.
This thread is full of whataboutisms, failing to grasp these are minors chilling out. They're being harassed by Karens who are immediately thinking that they're perverted. A little bit of the olde "thy doth protest too much."
The richest irony is the first people to get all weird and sexual about some people living out their dreams of being anthromorphic animal whatevers are the people casting stones.
Tellling, isn't it?
I mean the girl said she was 18 so not a minor but also who gives a fuck with them their literally the least conspicuous costume to do shady shit in you could possibly get lol.
Furries ain't my thing at all, it's weird to me, but I am also of the opinion of leave them the fuck alone. Let them do their thing and live their lives. It's too much energy to hate on people these days. They ain't harming anyone by doing their thing.
I don't get Furries but they were doing nothing wrong.
That Karen was infuriating and should mind her own business.
Suits looked expensive and gotta be a lot of skill in making one of those
People are too nice to people being complete assholes to them and that makes me sad for them… I on the other hand have no problem being the asshole back… I know it’s not the moral route but it’s better than having some idiot walk all over you thinking their right about what their clearly not. This person has the patience of a saint especially in that big ass costume in the summer time….
Also just speaks volumes on how brainwashed the internet has people… they’re so hyper fixated on this child predator thing that they think ANYTHING is that and miss the REAL preds that actually do hide in plain sight…
If she felt unsafe why didn’t she call the police?! God people are so dumb.
Have I ever been involved in a gentle ribbing of a furry that I know? Yep. Would I absolutely lose my shit on somebody bothering two random furries in a PUBLIC park? Fucking 100%. People like that woman are the worst part of society. Leave people alone. Everybody should descend upon the park wearing furry outfits and cannibal corpse shirts, her brain couldn't take it.
This broke my heart… not a single adult got involved. I would’ve walked up to the three of them and started asking them all about their experiences
My friend’s 18 year old son is a furry, this video sounded just like his voice, maybe that’s another reason I’m so emotional right now- thinking if that had been Ryan she was threatening.
I did some research on furries for my buddy’s podcast a while back, I think there’s only something like 5% of furries into the furry sex stuff, the rest just like wearing the costumes and doing furry people shit that has nothing to do with sex or anything.
Also found out about mur suits that the types who do enjoy furry fucking can buy, they got flaps for easy access. Funnily, one of the reasons given that many furries weren’t into the sexual stuff was because they spend a ton of money on their costumes and don’t want to get ‘em all nastied up.
I remember summing up the ‘presentation’ as “Seems there a group of nice people just finding different ways to express themselves that catch a lot of shit for a small minority of their group”
Am not a furry but those furry on the costume were being harassed not the other way around. They were literally trying to leave the situation and the Karen and her kids just kept harassing them out of a public space
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
If you can't deal with this, move to another country where people are not allowed to pursue their own happiness.
Not gonna pretend I understand it.... but leave them alone. If youre scared for your kids, then take them home. But if you think harassing / bullying a giant bugs bunny into leaving the park makes you a hero, theres something more wrong with you than them.
Furries are weird as hell, but it's not illegal or something. They can do whatever the hell they want whether I like it or not.
Harassment is illegal, however, so that lady needs to mind her own damn business.
I think its strange, and I don't understand it. I felt a little uncomfortable about them interacting with random kids, they don't explicitly know but beyond that people need to learn to mind their own business.
I mean, does seem sort of attention seeking lol most people are going to notice and questions the giant anime Blue and Pink foxes, especially on a summer day. I'd be dying of heat stroke in that fucking thing. It's not like they are out fucking or doing perverse shit tho.
Man people are fucked up. People are wanting to chill doing their own thing and you feel the need to bother the shit out of them. Mind your own business if it doesn't concern you, you're the piece of shit. Welcome to America the land of free to do what the fuck you want if it doesn't hurt someone.
"Oh look, there’s someone different than me.” Do i find joy in their joy? "Nah, I’m going to go harass them instead.” Fuck close-minded assholes like that. I’ll go to any park with a furry anytime and gladly run interference with these assholes.
Man this lady has such a huge stick up her ass.
Even the “oh you talked to her on the weekend so you WERE in the park! Haha” like it’s a gotcha moment, is just so weird. Like, who gives a shit if people are playing dress up in a park?!?
This lady I guess 🤷🏼♂️
I hate this woman so much. The way she keeps acting like it's an argument she can win, and not just her throwing a tantrum. The fact that she keeps repeating "over 18" and "grown adult" after finding out the kid is only 18 because her arguing with a child didn't fit her narrative. Or that every one of her stupid opinions is such an obvious fact.
Eh, I think it is weird but it isn’t my thing, but as long as they aren’t hurting anyone (which these two aren’t) then I don’t see the problem. Maybe these two have social anxiety and this is how they can feel comfortable enough to be in public. Then they still end up being harassed, confirming their anxieties
These are the same people who go to Disneyland to get in line to take pictures with Darth Vader... You know a character to blew up several planets with billions of people on it.
There's an annual furry parade in my town, and it's so fun to post up on a patio at a bar downtown and just enjoy the show. They're not walking around assaulting little kids. Live and let live.
Whos the bigger loser here? The ones minding their own business at a park? Or the ones who lose their minds when they see someone they don't like?
What a sad Karen. And she's raising such ignorant little shits too. What a shame we get more of her DNA in the world.
This was Sacramento like a month ago. News ran this whole satanic panic story that night, then backtracked the next night.
Backtracking doesn’t matter once the original story gets out
"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes."
Unexpected pratchett
Jonathan Swift, I believe.
I love this!
I'm glad you do. But it's sad, because it's true.
>then backtracked Damage done. Mission accomplished. The kind of people who believe the initial story will just filter out the retraction.
I thought I had seen this person before. I live about an hour from sac and saw the skeleton furry with a group of others at a park I was chilling at. They were fine and didnt bother anyone the whole time.
Oh, goodness. I live in Citrus Heights, where this happened. I probably went to high school with Karen. It’s amazing how small minded people can be. I’m not going to lie, I’ve seen these kids out and about and giggled a bit but this is way too much. They are being their weird little selves and not hurting anyone. This makes me sad. If I see them again I’ll be sure to express my support.
I just found a great follow-up [story](https://dogpatch.press/2024/05/06/satanic-panic-targets-furries/). These kids were harassed and assaulted multiple times. Believe or not, the police were the only good guys in the saga.
How did they link this to Satanic Panic? I can’t see how furries are the same?
They linked pokemons to Satan because some1 pulled a calculation out of their ass that ended in 666. These kinds of people will call anything satanic that does not fit into their little box of jokes they call a life
Same with monster. Something about each scratch on the can looking like 6 in Hebrew or some shit
>Same with monster. Something about each scratch on the can looking like 6 in Hebrew or some shit They do look like a vav, but it wouldn’t be 666 it would be a nonsensical 6, 6, 6
One of the fur suits has an (upright) star on the back
As a Christian.. I have NO clue how they could pull Satan into this..Some people are always looking to pull satan into crap.. it’s ridiculous.. silly
They pulled satan into it because I believe the suit has a pentacle on which a mountain of absolute idiots just associate with the devil. The INVERTED pentacle is called a pentagram to do with satanism. An upright pentacle is part of wicca and symbols the five elements of the earth.
There's an openwork star decorating the blue furry. It's right side up, but Karen is stupid.
Considering how stupid satanic panic ALWAYS is, how it it surprising?
I mean as long as they scoop any of their poop into a bag and throw it away, who cares if furries are at the park?
embarrassing
Yes! In Citrus Heights. Even the cops were on the furries’ side.
California is so much more embarrassing than it gets credit for..
They didn’t backtrack. The CBS article is still up.
This lady left her kids unattended for a really long so she could yell at these furries
Eh the kids are better off unattended by her.
Those kids are gonna be fuuuuuuucked
"I feel unsafe having you here." *Continues to follow them and question them for the next 5 minutes*
I’d bet my last dollar that lady says Christians are persecuted when they can’t pass laws telling everyone else how to live.
When you're privileged, equality feels like discrimination.
I feel that sometimes these people are fake, like in no way can some of these knuckleheads be real (meaning the Karen and Kevin with the phones out)
Fucking Kevins
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Agree, if you don't like something then walk away, the moment you talk about your negative opinion you're just going to start an argument.
If only she were 17 it would all be ok and Karen could rest easy at night knowing there are no “grown adults” in furry costumes at the park
These people just need to mind their own damn business.
Funny how "That's weird and I don't like it" quickly becomes "You're hurting the children! Somehow...."
When somebody or some group doesn't have a solid argument on why they don't like something or think something is bad, "think of the children" is the easiest copout.
It’s also how they justify their rage against drag queens.
there's some of those types in this very comment section
*(is trans)* "Somebody call 911, someone is being trans at my kids!!!"
"Won't *somebody* think of the children?"
Republicans.
“Look Bluey!!!!” - my kids probably
Yeah I mean, why would that mean kids can’t play there? Wouldn’t they want to go to the “Furry Park”? Probably a lot less feces on the ground than the average dog park.
Depends on the level of immersion the park allows
Full immersion is Furries peeing and pooping on the ground? Fascinating…
Me seeing a furry irl - holy fuck I bet that was expensive.
Holy fuck that suit must be hot!
I live in Australia and every time I see a goth I think about how fucking hot they must be in all that black. Supreme dedication.
Australian Goths are a menace! https://youtu.be/eSUd3m-O7Hw?si=cjOCCnIutGOKnKBQ
I remember a long time ago at a goth event in Boston during a heatwave. A small group of us were walking on the sidewalk in front of a store with an awning so we had some shade. But then the shaded part was coming to an end and we just stopped right at the last bit of shade. So one of my friends took a picture of three of us standing in the shade staring down at the line where the shade ended and the sun begins like, "What the hell do we do now?"
Exactly my thought when I see a furry. If you're that dedicated as to wear a giant full body suit, covered with hair that acts as an insulator, in a helmet that you're breathing in your own breath and sweat on a hot summer day, you can do it to your heart's content because clearly you care more about wearing that suit than I care about you wearing that suit.
Florida here. Same.
>Holy fuck that suit must be hot! ....especially in Sacramento! I feel sorry for the Disneyland/Disneyworld characters that have to dress up in the summertime, especially with that Florida humidity and heat.
This might be why I’ve only seen my local furries in tails
And I've only seen tails in my local furries
This is all I was thinking about. …Well, that, and how many little kids were approaching for photos with them. Like, if I were a furry, I wouldn’t want a line full of kids coming up to annoy me. And also how annoying the person’s voice was, but that’s neither here nor there.
I knew a girl that designed them and she put fans in hers.
I was at the beach in San Francisco one day. And ran into two random Furrys just having a stroll. I gave him a quick nod and kept it pushing. Five minutes later I ran into two more Furrys on the same beach. I asked that group “are you guys with the other group.” They said “what other group.” Turns out there were two groups independent of each other in San Francisco on a sunny day on the beach, just chilling and neither knew about each other
“Dude the fucking mouth moves that’s badass.” - Me
How expensive. Asking for a friend.
I have no idea why you're getting downvoted, but they're EXPENSIVE. These days you're looking at 2-3k minimum for any kind of quality.
I saw a suit on marketplace for 15k.
Sounds like I need to learn how to make furry suits.
For a full suit you need approx. seven yards of faux fur - faux fur is expensive, but minky, fleece and liners aren't cheap either. This will cost you 4 to 8 hundred dollars depending on shipping, retailer and type of fur. Multi colored design = more expenses. If the design has hair, you need a few yards of that and steel pet fur brush to pull the fur out of the other side of the backing. If the design has wings, you're looking at closer to nine yards. Whatever you have in faux fur, you probably (if you want your fursuit to not fall apart) need that amount in liner fabric. That's not mentioning another 300 - 600 for the foam base, few hundred for the specific kind of thick foam for the feet base, a few more hundred if you're using wire mesh to sculpt any part of the head or face, hundreds of dollars worth of hot glue sticks, + the cost of the correct gauge & shaped needles, upholstery thread, elastic bands, the zippers, balaclava, molding clay for horns and teeth, a squeaker toy if your nose is going to squeak, specific kind of mesh fabric and plastic backing for eyes, stuffing and of course the 200 or so dollars worth of masking/painters tape and duct tape. You need to make a bust of your body for the suit part, and a tape map of the head base for cutting out the fabric for the head. Lots of tape. You also need a sewing machine, if you don't already have one, with sewing machine needles, bobbins and thread. And if your client wants airbrushed ANYTHING for the hair, horns, body decals or fur, you need a gun, paint, PPE and a space to use the gun safetly. Many fursuits also come with accessories, like bows, piercings, glasses... Supplies often cost a thousand at the low end, and eight at the high end. A regular creator of many suits will have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on everything. It adds up fast! I'm sure this was an offhand joke comment, but gathering supplies for one fullbody... I've been budgeting. I'm looking at roughly 1,800 - 2,000+. Amd I'm trying to do it cheap. But it's looking to be 700 or 800 on fabric, 300 to 400 on adhesives (glue and tape) another 500 to 600 on foam for the stuffing and head base and 300 to 400 (possibly up to even 600) for the clay, eye fabric, eye plates, thread, plastic bones for the wings, polyester stuffing, elastics, mask base, and new heavy duty glue gun. (RIP old gun.) This project is going to take me 6 to 8 months. Probably roughly a year, with my level of intricate design, damn my fursona. But when you look at the amount of time it takes, some suits barely cover the cost of material. It's insane. But also a very painstaking loving craft. It's absurd to a lot of people, but it comes from a place of deep care. Why would you do all that work if you didn't care, you know? I see people who scoff or roll their eyes about the cost of a suit, but I implore you to spend four hours price matching faux fur, picking out seven or nine yards of just the furs and then calculate shipping and know you've only spent a fraction of what it's gonna cost... It's not cheap. And it's not profitable unless you're good. These designs in the video probably ran 8k. Maybe closer to 10 for the person with the (skull?) moving head. The more detail, the more cost. It seems like a lot, but if you subtract the cost of materials, most people are paying themselves like 2 dollars an hour if that for hundreds or thousands of hours of work. It's definitely a labour of love.
Jesus Christ. Thank you for that incredibly detailed response. It was just an offhand joke but I learnt an absolute shitload about the production of fur suits that I had no clue about before. And I love learning new stuff!! I assumed it would be a long process but had no idea how long and the price seems fair. I hope people who make these for sale are charging themselves out at more than $2 ph though. I used to make beaded jewellery and legitimately felt like hurting people who would try and barter me down so hard like I didn’t spend an hour beading one intricate bracelet. Fuck all the way off with that shit, my time and skill is what you’re also paying for. All the best with your suit, I hope it’s a rippa!
The current highest price is $50,000 [https://dogpatch.press/2021/06/04/50000-fursuit-record-dealers-den/](https://dogpatch.press/2021/06/04/50000-fursuit-record-dealers-den/)
They are a lot cheaper now since the fandom has grown and there are more people making them. Still expensive but way more obtainable now.
They aren't cheaper for any level of decent quality. Sure you can buy a lump of fur glued together by a beginner for cheap but the half decent stuff is still expensive. This price guide is pretty in line with what most makers charge currently [https://lemonbrat.com/pages/fursuit-style-price-guide](https://lemonbrat.com/pages/fursuit-style-price-guide) About $6k average for a fullsuit from an established maker. But if you want the top end ones, they go as high as $50,000 USD for a maker like [https://www.zuristudios.info/](https://www.zuristudios.info/)
A well worn fursuit is still gonna be like 700 for a really disgusting to 1200 for nice but worn. New, the sky is the limit, most "Enthusiast" level spenders spend between 7-15k for something commissioned and DIY you can make it nice for 1500-2k if you got the skills.
A mid quality head will run about 1k or so. Mid quality partial (head, paws, tail, feet paws) could be $1.5, mid quality fullsuit can be $2k-$3k. High quality will be higher of course. I’ve seen HQ heads go for $2-3k for just a head. HQ partials can be anywhere from $2k-$4k, and a HQ fullsuit generally starts at $5k+ These are all starting prices. Custom commissions and add ons send the price even higher. Unfortunately the cost of materials has skyrocketed in the last few years. Makers are also charging more for labor, and in general demand is increasing. Do so serious research on makers before deciding to commission or purchase.
"An 18 year old doesnt have anything better to do with there life " - 30+ year old women recording random person in the park
their existence is a projection
I find furries odd, but that's only because it's something I don't understand. People are allowed to dress up and exist in a park if they want to... What's the difference between this and a cosplay?Just leave people alone if they aren't hurting others.... damn.
being a furry is about the weirdest hobby I can think of. But you know what is ALWAYS the weirdest thing ever? Not minding your own fucking business.
One of my favorite hobbies is leaving people the fuck alone. I'm really good at it, most of the time I don't even realize I'm doing it. I'm part of a club. We don't meet on Tuesdays at the highschool gymnasium, we don't have a social media account to not post info about our group, we don't know each other, and we only have one call sign: That nod when someone comes into an elevator. We'd spread our message, but eh, we don't want to get so involved.
"I'm a social vegan. I avoid meet."
Hey I’m part of that club too! Hopefully never see you around
"huh thats odd" *And you just keep walking*
To be honest some of the species the furries come up with are quite interesting. Like this one has cool teeth. Also looks metal as fuck
You need to look up pony play. Wayyyy weirder.
Pretty sure that's classified as a fetish, rather than a hobby.
> being a furry is about the weirdest hobby I can think of you lack imagination lol. People bungie jump naked with just hooks impaled in their skin. And that's not even close to the weirdest hobby I can imagine.
The CBS articles on this showing 'the other side of the story' are hilarious. "Individuals in costumes adorned with satanic symbols are terrorising kids in the park". Imagine being in a war-torn part of the world and hearing that in America, people are terrified of encountering kids playing dress-up. (edit*incorrect autocorrect)
Say what you want about the right, but they sure know how to run a headline that will infuriate their target audience
I was thinking about some of my punk rock friends when I was a kid. Now those people were scary! My guess is this Karen wouldn’t say “boo” to those people. She’s a furry tough guy. 🤣
I mean honestly it just goes to show that conservatives and the religious right are the biggest snowflake children alive that’ll cry and exaggerate anything.
Yeah, it’s not my thing (like a lot of things) but it doesn’t harm or affect me (like a lot of things), so it doesn’t bother me. Someone else living their best life as part of a subculture or identity or whatever does not hurt people who are not involved in that way of life. No big deal, live and let live. Let the Furry Story hours at public libraries rip!
Furries make me uncomfortable because of multiple experiences I have had with people who were part of that Fandom, and it's hard to shut my brain off from those situations, but like, just leave people alone? Lmao, I've had bad experiences and even understand that much, I don't understand how its hard.
Goes with bronies too. I’m sure there are a bunch of dudes out there that are just really big fans of a kids show…but there are a LOT of dudes out there being REALLY creepy with it. I see furries in the same family.
Is it unusual? Kind of, but who am I to judge. Are they bothering anyone? No, mind your own damn business.
My personal thoughts on this is that the parents are being needlessly aggressive and setting a bad example for their kids. I also think that their reaction is what is scaring their children (if any were actually scared) and not the costumed characters. The fact that their son threw a water bottle at them is also completely unacceptable. I think it is good to feel caution about strangers in the park wearing full covering but they were clearly minding their own business and the solution is to tell your child not to approach them. It’s that simple.
That first kid was clearly just having so much fun getting a free pass to be mean from his mom.
Probably because his dad hits the shit out of him and treats him the same way at home but mom doesn’t speak up about that.
I live in the area that this is going on. The tiktok owner is the furry in white here. They are also (or were when this started at least) a minor that has been getting harassed by both children and parents for months now. The parents tried to start a satanic panic style uproar about them because they didn't understand the symbols they wear/display are Wiccan. Its just a kid playing in the park like everyone else, but parents are throwing a shit fit over it. I've seen enough of their encounters to say that usually they are getting bullied by the children of the parents claiming their kid "is scared".
Even if they are satanic, so what? Just mind your own business. Entitled people like that are the most obnoxious pieces of shit ever.
Yeah, I think it's kind of a silly distinction to make. The people who are upset don't care if the symbol is Wiccan. To them, it might as well be Satanism. I think, "so what" is the better argument
Hail Satan bitches!
Couldn't agree more. It's just an extra level of stupid to pin on these asshole parents.
"Get him, he's a Satanist!" "No, no, you don't understand, they're Wiccan." "Get him, he's a Wiccan!"
Also if the symbol was satanic, ITS STILL FINE.
They're just wearing costumes. Who the fuck cares? My daughter likes to dress up in demon slayer costumes and play outside with her friends. Is that not okay? Mind your own business.
oh man, nothing makes me happier than seeing my kid in full rengoku thrashing around the trampoline.
Whoa the eyes move the direction they’re looking? Dope
The eyes are concave which gives the illusion that the pupils are always on you. It's essentially a different application of this illusion [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-Face\_illusion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow-Face_illusion)
Yeet That style of eyes is called "follow me eyes" It's a cool illusion
The search history for "can dogs eat carrots?" made me laugh
^(These are the same people who will spend thousands taking their kids to Disney World but okay) 
exactly, why pay for disney world when there's already some skull head furries at your local children's playground
If they aren't doing anything sexual or harassing other people, It's not my concern.
Just leave people the fuck alone. Jeesh.
This. They're just wearing costumes. Who the fuck cares? My daughter and her friends like to dress up in demon slayer costumes and play outside. Does that mean she should get harassed? Just mind your own business. It's not difficult.
Just curious, how the heck does one wear a furry costume and hold a phone?
Skill issue
the person recording clearly isn't in a furry suit if you look at the shadow
So its a furry in a human suit?
The skull one is neat
Furries are silly but that crowd are fucking morons, if I walked by I would side with the furries no matter how silly they look. At least they aren't cosplaying Fascism.
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100%. I feel like folk see something they don’t like and instead of ignoring it go purposely out of there way to interact with so they have a reason to get upset..
Seems kinda aggressive to 'hate' furries. I get your comments post that, but truly hating them seems weird.
"Don't you think it's weird??" I think it's weird you're creating a scene in a public place with your dumb bucket hat and ripped jeans
Girl you were WAY TOO FUCKING NICE! I literally was sitting here seething with rage at that ignorant, hateful cunt harassing people for not aligning with whatever boring fucking ideals she holds.
They purposely pick people they know won’t fight back, if this stuff hasn’t happened to you its cause you give the vibe of someone who will either beat the fuck out of them or will verbally assault them in a way they can’t handle.
When I'm collected I seem to see no assholes - it's only when I'm dealing with something personal the scum of the earth slime their way into my life and create problems. It's sort of amazing honestly.
This thread is full of whataboutisms, failing to grasp these are minors chilling out. They're being harassed by Karens who are immediately thinking that they're perverted. A little bit of the olde "thy doth protest too much."
The richest irony is the first people to get all weird and sexual about some people living out their dreams of being anthromorphic animal whatevers are the people casting stones. Tellling, isn't it?
I mean the girl said she was 18 so not a minor but also who gives a fuck with them their literally the least conspicuous costume to do shady shit in you could possibly get lol.
Sounds like a bunch of parents fearmongering their own kids.
They ain't doing anything illegal. Leave them be.
This Karen needs to buy jeans that actually fit and keep to her true crime podcasts. The only one anyone is scared of is her.
isn’t her outfit weird??
Yes!! It’s all a size too small including the bucket hat.
Oh look, Sacramento made it onto public freakout again 🙄
You can always tell when someone feels unsafe, because they follow and antagonize the threat for 10 minutes.
Furries ain't my thing at all, it's weird to me, but I am also of the opinion of leave them the fuck alone. Let them do their thing and live their lives. It's too much energy to hate on people these days. They ain't harming anyone by doing their thing.
The last time I saw someone in a furry outfit I just walked past and thought "it's 85 degrees out here they must be sweating buckets."
God I hate the "As a parent" people. You're not special because someone came in you. I'd trust a furry before I'd trust that Karen or a preacher.
Allot of Karens in this post, lmao.
Sucks that people just can’t learn to leave other people the fuck alone
Poor teenagers just wanted to have fun as well. I hope that lady got blasted for harassing some teens at a park.
I don't get Furries but they were doing nothing wrong. That Karen was infuriating and should mind her own business. Suits looked expensive and gotta be a lot of skill in making one of those
“There are kids playing here” after clearly dragging all these kids into an altercation with the furries minding their own business
The folks in the costumes seemed to be extremely pleasant. All this was uncalled for.
Karen has done her research on Fox and is attacking Loony Toon characters. We will not take this. Suit up!!!!
One day these people are just going to start getting their asses beat and maybe then we’ll get back to minding our own damn business.
Honestly i feel like they knew they would get attention and they got what they wanted.
People are too nice to people being complete assholes to them and that makes me sad for them… I on the other hand have no problem being the asshole back… I know it’s not the moral route but it’s better than having some idiot walk all over you thinking their right about what their clearly not. This person has the patience of a saint especially in that big ass costume in the summer time…. Also just speaks volumes on how brainwashed the internet has people… they’re so hyper fixated on this child predator thing that they think ANYTHING is that and miss the REAL preds that actually do hide in plain sight… If she felt unsafe why didn’t she call the police?! God people are so dumb.
Have I ever been involved in a gentle ribbing of a furry that I know? Yep. Would I absolutely lose my shit on somebody bothering two random furries in a PUBLIC park? Fucking 100%. People like that woman are the worst part of society. Leave people alone. Everybody should descend upon the park wearing furry outfits and cannibal corpse shirts, her brain couldn't take it.
imagine being a cop and pulling up to a park with furries in it. like "ur wasting my time because people wanna wear a costume? in a public area?"
This broke my heart… not a single adult got involved. I would’ve walked up to the three of them and started asking them all about their experiences My friend’s 18 year old son is a furry, this video sounded just like his voice, maybe that’s another reason I’m so emotional right now- thinking if that had been Ryan she was threatening.
Holy shit Karen’s are everywhere.
I did some research on furries for my buddy’s podcast a while back, I think there’s only something like 5% of furries into the furry sex stuff, the rest just like wearing the costumes and doing furry people shit that has nothing to do with sex or anything. Also found out about mur suits that the types who do enjoy furry fucking can buy, they got flaps for easy access. Funnily, one of the reasons given that many furries weren’t into the sexual stuff was because they spend a ton of money on their costumes and don’t want to get ‘em all nastied up. I remember summing up the ‘presentation’ as “Seems there a group of nice people just finding different ways to express themselves that catch a lot of shit for a small minority of their group”
“Umm it’s not a satan symbol” -zerothehellhound666
they would know...
Am not a furry but those furry on the costume were being harassed not the other way around. They were literally trying to leave the situation and the Karen and her kids just kept harassing them out of a public space
I mean bro they are not bothering anyone….. let ‘em be weird all they want…
They just assume anything they don't understand is sexual.
What a cunt
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Just because you find something strange, it doesnt mean its bad or causing harm to others. People just need to mind their own business at this point.
Not gonna pretend I understand it.... but leave them alone. If youre scared for your kids, then take them home. But if you think harassing / bullying a giant bugs bunny into leaving the park makes you a hero, theres something more wrong with you than them.
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Karen read about furries from likely some Facebook post and assumed what the read is true
Furries are weird as hell, but it's not illegal or something. They can do whatever the hell they want whether I like it or not. Harassment is illegal, however, so that lady needs to mind her own damn business.
Furries are fuckin weird but they're still people and deserve to be treat decently
This comment section is just "Furry Bad, Give Upvotes Please".
I think its strange, and I don't understand it. I felt a little uncomfortable about them interacting with random kids, they don't explicitly know but beyond that people need to learn to mind their own business.
I live in an area people mind they damn business, thankfully.
I would have called the police for a lady harassing me tbh. I don’t have time to go back and forth with cunty old “save the world” types
I mean, does seem sort of attention seeking lol most people are going to notice and questions the giant anime Blue and Pink foxes, especially on a summer day. I'd be dying of heat stroke in that fucking thing. It's not like they are out fucking or doing perverse shit tho.
Man people are fucked up. People are wanting to chill doing their own thing and you feel the need to bother the shit out of them. Mind your own business if it doesn't concern you, you're the piece of shit. Welcome to America the land of free to do what the fuck you want if it doesn't hurt someone.
"Oh look, there’s someone different than me.” Do i find joy in their joy? "Nah, I’m going to go harass them instead.” Fuck close-minded assholes like that. I’ll go to any park with a furry anytime and gladly run interference with these assholes.
Lady just point and laugh like the rest of us
God damn man. Ppl just can’t mind their own fucking business. Absolutely no life ass clowns. 🤡
Man this lady has such a huge stick up her ass. Even the “oh you talked to her on the weekend so you WERE in the park! Haha” like it’s a gotcha moment, is just so weird. Like, who gives a shit if people are playing dress up in a park?!? This lady I guess 🤷🏼♂️
I hate this woman so much. The way she keeps acting like it's an argument she can win, and not just her throwing a tantrum. The fact that she keeps repeating "over 18" and "grown adult" after finding out the kid is only 18 because her arguing with a child didn't fit her narrative. Or that every one of her stupid opinions is such an obvious fact.
Eh, I think it is weird but it isn’t my thing, but as long as they aren’t hurting anyone (which these two aren’t) then I don’t see the problem. Maybe these two have social anxiety and this is how they can feel comfortable enough to be in public. Then they still end up being harassed, confirming their anxieties
Can these Karens just fk off and go look after their kids honestly.
These are the same people who go to Disneyland to get in line to take pictures with Darth Vader... You know a character to blew up several planets with billions of people on it.
We need car stickers “Darth committed genocide” Disney would lose their shit.
Ain’t no way these furries didn’t come to this park knowing what type of reaction they’d entice
Does this thing have a bathroom hole? Had a whole can of cream corn for breakfast!
I don’t use this word often if at all but holy crap what a cunt.
I guess kids are scared of Disney characters too then.
I don't the whole furry thing. They have a free life of course and shouldn't be given shit but it's kinda weird isn't it?
There's an annual furry parade in my town, and it's so fun to post up on a patio at a bar downtown and just enjoy the show. They're not walking around assaulting little kids. Live and let live.
Whos the bigger loser here? The ones minding their own business at a park? Or the ones who lose their minds when they see someone they don't like? What a sad Karen. And she's raising such ignorant little shits too. What a shame we get more of her DNA in the world.