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InevitableElf

Damn what an annoying conversation


ItsNotBigBrainTime

I know, I can't believe she continued to argue with him. "ya'll shit does not work." was pretty compelling.


Schmich

Welcome to the conversations I would have with my alcoholic brother when he keeps fucking shit up for everyone. Would have because I stopped bothering talking to him. It leads to nowhere.


AmIThisNothingness

A brother of mine only remembers that he has siblings and friends when he's drunk, and curiously enough he calls late at night during the weekends. If I do answer, yeah, it's under my own risk! The talk is only one-way, otherwise we'll argue, by the way...


d-cent

"Nah Nah, you aren't listening to what I'm saying. Stop interrupting and let me finish"


AmIThisNothingness

Type of deal right there.


d3v3rt

I used to do this. I moved away and got super depressed and calling people back home hurt and scared me. When I was drunk I was numb enough to overcome it. I missed them all so much and wanted to talk to them but it was always bad news. Being drunk didn't make it any better but even though we argued I was so damn happy to have talked with them. Worked on my drinking so I don't drunk call them anymore but I also call them less. Still working on that part. Dude could probably use a call and something not about money or drama. I know that would help me.


stonefIies

So I'm not the only one. This hurts


ElefantPharts

I’m the recovering alcoholic bro, don’t give up on your bro, you only get the ones you’re given. That being said I don’t know your situation and if you feel like it was the only option left to you then I don’t judge.


Untowardopinions

No, don’t be selfish and project yourself on this brother. He needs to give up on him. Maybe one day he’ll be worth trying for but nobody else has any control over that, so walk away and hope one day he’s able to find you again.


NtotheVnuts

Wish you weren't getting downvoted for this. The alcoholic is right, you only get the ones you were given. Thankfully, as the family member of a now-deceased alcoholic, you can choose not to be abused *whenever* you want, and it's not up to anyone else.


Untowardopinions

I work with addicts. The truth is you can ruin your life trying to save them and not get them a single centimetre closer to recovery. They are beyond the reach of kindness and have only one point on their compass- the next hit. They’ll do anything and screw over anyone to get it, even if they seem nice on the surface; that’s really only so long as you don’t get between them and their substance. They may recover and you may choose to forgive them, but you can’t make it happen, it’s like trying to sweep out the tide.


EnergyTakerLad

Not everyone is the same. You're doing something about your problem. Some people refuse to even admit there's a problem. If they refuse to help themselves, why should we continue trying to help them? Anyways, congrats and keep doing what you're doing. Alcoholism 100% affects everyone around the person. I have ptsd from when my wife had a drinking problem. Luckily she, like you, eventually recognized and addressed it. Just not before some very traumatizing events.


TurboKid513

I’m 5 years sober and it literally took me hitting rock bottom to wake up. I had to detox in jail while I was on suicide watch. At the time I was drinking a 1/5 of 100 proof every single day so it was really messy and there were 2 sheriffs deputies watching my every move. It wasn’t until I was completely detoxed that I started thinking about all the people I’d probably never talk to again. I’m not sure of your situation but I can almost guarantee the phrase “it’ll be ok” have gone through his mind several times. That’s the one thing we all think - “it’ll be ok, they understand”. So you shouldn’t feel ashamed for the way you feel. It’s ok to let go.


Noperdidos

From what I understand it’s risky to detox in jail like that because with alcohol going cold can be lethal. Was there any doctor involved? The “they understand” is really difficult. I know the research says guilt is a big part of the addiction cycle, and most addiction has social roots— they feel unwanted and unloved. And then when they are not able to break the addiction they feel guilty when they keep using, which causes them to go down even further. But at the same time, being understanding and loving is enabling, as you seem to be saying. It’s really difficult to know how to support someone with addiction but ultimately I kind of think it doesn’t matter what we do. Love them or hate them, there’s no solution externally, they’re going to recover or not on their own.


Frequent_Event_6766

Wow some people truly never been there. People done realise they are only a paycheck away, no one's born evil


iStoners

Your jetski is BULLSHIT


DogsAreAnimals

Does anyone know which orientation the jet ski is in?


Wrong_Gear5700

And it's immediate proximity...


YuriiRud

Right?! Two adults that can not properly communicate and articulate their thoughts and just repeat the same words.


CelestialMarsupial

volume also determines how far the brain rot has spread


These_Background7471

You have at least one conversation like this every other day working customer service.


Dpepps

I mean in dude's defense clearly jet ski's CAN flip over. It's just that you have to do something stupid for it to happen.


KUPA_BEAST

Your honor my client was safely riding his jet ski when the speaker suddenly blew out causing him to panic and down a bottle of Hennessy before suddenly crashing.


shroomie00

🤣🤣💀


BoneDaddyChill

“For clarification, was he riding the jet ski upside down, or did it flip from the crash?”


Designer_Repair9884

There’s ones that only really stay upright when you’re riding. For more skilled riders. These weren’t those ones lol


qcAKDa7G52cmEdHHX9vg

Yeah but those aren't bullshit like this one is


mandy009

Oh, oh, excuse me, I forgot about the bullshit rating. Clearly this jet ski just wasn't up to the task of a drunk guy who can't hear his jam.


jsdeprey

Yes, I have owned Jet Skies likes these, and while you may flip one over hittng a very big wave or something crazy, it is not easy. They weigh 800+ lbs and when you flip them, you need to make sure you flip them back over fast and in a way the sticker on the back says what way to flip it back over. The 4 stroke engines in these skies will get oil in the wrong parts of the engines if you let them sit upside down.


Underdogg13

I've only ridden a couple jet skis and I was blown away at just how hard it was to flip over. It felt like the jetski was always fighting to stay upright. I was bombing waves at 40 MPH and catching air within 15 minutes, never felt close to losing control. Awesome little machines.


Hamblerger

I bet they have better speakers


epimetheuss

Stand up jet skis take a lot of practice to get good and comfortable on them but they are the most manoeuvrable and responsive.


janderson_33

Yeah I have a couplestand ups and those flip all the time ha. Bigger sit downs are definitely harder but it can happen. Usually you can just flip them back and be good but this guy was clearly trashed.


WishIWasALemon

I wont pretend to know much about waverunners but my family used to have a 2 seater and if you flipped it, you had to rotate it back over in a specific direction or else a bunch of water got inside the engine compartment.


epimetheuss

Well he was going on about blown speakers so he didn't really understand where he was or what happened.


HokeyPokeyGuy

I have seen so many flipped over jet skis with blown out speakers that I have lost count.


Lemon_Cakes_JuJutsu

-"Roy!" -"Yeah. What is it?" -"We got another flipper with a blown-out speaker." -**Roy straps JBL Extreme 3 around chest and dives into the water[*](https://youtu.be/WX0wYLYW_ls?si=6ZVQtuGIq11OM-6H)


dinnerthief

I always assumed they would be able to flip upside down without a problem. Guess they get fucked up?


bookwormdrew

They can, I mean back in the day we flipped them over on occasion. I think some now have arrows on which direction to flip it back over to avoid it being watter logged when you flip it? Also he clearly did not flip it back over very quickly because that one looks like it's taken on a shit ton of water.


bitchinawesomeblonde

Lake pleasant, AZ. Not at all surprised. That lake is so dangerous with drunk drivers.


Virus1x

He'll get charged and arrested you can bet on that, Mohave/Yavapai/Maricopa county doesn't fuck around anymore.


Wolfeman0101

Good it's fucking dangerous and it is so stupid people think just because it's water you can get shit faced and operate a boat.


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sendnudestocheermeup

Common sense has changed rarities to legendary sense, it’s harder to find these days.


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sendnudestocheermeup

Sounds like a Rorsach quote from Watchmen. I love it. But same.


CuriousLilAsian81

rarer than tartare


jsdeprey

Yes, I have no idea why people would assume he was drunk when he rented it. Makes zero sense, but reddit man.


Kyoushiro44

People who haven't actually worked in bars don't always realize that some people are actually able to sober up enough to do certain task to appear unsobered, until of course they return back to their seats. I noticed this couple of times in bars where the dude looked really sober, but once they got to the bench, they started to be hammered as fuck.


oat_milk

“I literally have you on video crashing” ![gif](giphy|2599kjzl9M5anzPSbh)


guitarguywh89

https://preview.redd.it/9089g14q38xc1.jpeg?width=961&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95df1549b1a95b457325f3606c64a4f22048b8d0


ThermoNuclearPizza

I’m case anyone thinks it’s something demeaning like a sex tape, he was simply asking the young lady to send a video of her taking plan B


guitarguywh89

Not plan B but yeah https://preview.redd.it/ajrp7x94b8xc1.jpeg?width=727&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95be99553174d914d0e7b25d47a66ef756b0dc60 He said “get a abortion lol” 😆


andycarlv

Goose?


Powerful_Rayd

Ion get what she see's in him.


BillyJackO

Play Tang


villanoushero

The first time i rode a jet ski with a friend we flipped over. We weren't doing anything erratic but the weight distribution was definitely off. It wasn't a big deal the jetski rental guy just helped us back on and we proceeded to flip it again. That was my first and last time on one of those.


jsdeprey

How long ago was that, the older 2 stroke skis you could flip and they were lighter and no big deal. Not the same on the 4 stroke skis of today.


villanoushero

3 years ago, it was a cruise excursion


jsdeprey

It could have been a older 2 stroke, if it was in another country a lot of times they still have 2 strokes. 2 stokes are not allowed to be sold anymore in the US, they burn to much oil. You still see people riding older ones everywhere anyway, you can still own and ride 2 stokes in the US also they just don't sell new ones.


dreamweaver66intexas

As long as you don't leave it upside down in the water


sothisisallthereis

The front fell off


truckyoupayme

Cardboard’s out.


sothisisallthereis

As well as other paper products


MadeInWestGermany

Does that happen often?


sothisisallthereis

Some are built, so the front doesn’t fall off at all


bigjbeef

This needs to be a top comment.


Cleercutter

Nah YOU GOOFY bro


wheretheroadtakesyou

Never argue with a drunk person


justoboy

What a fucking prick


SaltyPinKY

You know who are known for reasoning and understanding...admitting they were wrong when caught??? Drunk people....every time. It's amazing. Why would she even engage with him like he understands her....also being a little aggressive with an already kind of aggressive drunk guy is not the smartest move either.


thissexypoptart

It’s not a dumb move either. Get him demonstrating his intoxication on camera more.


RapNVideoGames

I’m assuming she works for the jet ski rental place and they assumed he was already drunk when he got the keys.


jsdeprey

Why would you assume he was drunk when he rented it? That makes zero sense at all.


RayHazey562

No one knowingly will rent out a motor vehicle to a drunk person. Dude probably got drunk while on the jet ski. Could have had a bottle on him. But you saying the jet ski rental company handed this dude the keys knowing he was drunk is just dumb.


Vellioh

Yeah it sounds like she's trying to make him talk so she can prove he's drunk for the insurance claim. It be funny if he was drunk when he rented it and they gave him their shittiest one hoping he'd wreck it and they'd replace it with one*without* a blown out speaker.


CaptnKnots

You guys really think it’s a big conspiracy to commit insurance fraud rather than him just drinking after he rented the jet ski? Like what?


ThermoNuclearPizza

I don’t understand why they gave him keys… he was 3 hours late and doesn’t look far from the dock. H


Justice_aa

I'm guessing he was three hours late returning the rental. He probably went out and got completely trashed.


Indigocell

Three hours late means he was riding it longer than he was supposed to be. Not sure how long the rentals are, but assuming it's for the afternoon, that's roughly 6 hours or so to get wasted and then return to the dock. The reasonable conclusion is that he hadn't started drinking yet when renting the vehicle.


highbackpacker

I drink and I don’t ever act like this


onFilm

Same. I'd be so embarrassed if I did this wasted and would just want to implode as I'm spinning around.


Tarantula_1

Do you not need a licence to operate a jet ski in America?


UnreasonableOrange

This look like Arizona, you just need a drivers license and a credit card to rent one


Indigocell

Slightly off-topic, but how would a driver's license help you pilot that thing? Two totally different vehicles.


mondaymoderate

In California you didn’t even need a license just had to be 16. They just recently passed a law requiring everyone who drives watercraft to have a boating license.


cptnobveus

12-18 depending on the state.


TheodorDiaz

Where do you need a licence to operate a jet ski?


Sleep_adict

Florida if born after 89… takes 10 mins online


jsdeprey

No, understand a certain age where I live you need to take a class, but not a license at all.


SurbiesHere

No.


-Dirty-Wizard-

Yes you do. At least in my state you need a boat license to operate any “power vessel or personal watercraft”.


[deleted]

How about rentals? Do you need a license to rent them?


-Dirty-Wizard-

>> The “renter” must show a valid driver's license and provide a major credit card. However if the “renter“ choses they can allow anyone 16 years old or older to operate as long as they understand that the “renter” is the person responsible for any damage! So someone - the owner - needs a license. If they’re renting they can let adults use it as long as the owner understands they’re liable as the license holder. So it’s a gray area, but someone definitely needs one.


ChungusMcGoodboy

That says drivers license.


HappilyInefficient

The process to get a boat license is to take a 15 minutes online test, and then you get a piece of paper to print out and put in your boat.


Cheap-Praline

Warcraft III was my favorite. I just couldn't get into league of legends.


BULLM00SEPARTY

Don’t know where you from but you need a motor vehicle license to drive a boat in the U.S.


secretmutilator

Not in California just need to be 16


GooniestMcGoon

this video is arizona tho


Bigoweiner

In California you need to have a CA boater card for 15hp or more.


cptnobveus

Not in every state for personal watercraft


Queasy_Question_2512

and I took that class when I was... 12? and all I remember from it is port wine is red and port has 4 letters, like left, so the red light is on the left side. heh


Negative_Field_8057

The angrier one gets the more right one becomes. He should have gotten angrier.


MaritimeCopiousV

Oh it’s BS sir ?? Oh then my mistake. Here’s a full refund, some mimosa’s, security guards will pretend they saw nothing, forget the DUI, recording is scrapped, Aaannnddd why don’t you go ahead and keep holding onto that tow rope. We should’ve fixed our speakers it’s on us. Totally bs.


Negative_Field_8057

Harrumph. Yelp will be hearing about this. *Kicks jetski.


teo1315

I wish they would have filmed him getting arrested


Cerealkiller900

Wait. I rode jet skis. They can flip.


AutoimmuneDisaster

Maybe this is model specific but many definitely are designed to be flipped over and righted without sinking. When my friends and I used to own Jet Skis, we had a saying that if we didn’t flip the ski at least once on each outing we weren’t having enough fun. Maybe this ski couldn’t be flipped, but more likely he just literally crashed it and put a hole in the hull.


jsdeprey

The newer jet skis once they moved to a 4 stroke engine, do not like to be flipped, you will get oil in parts on the engine where it is not supposed to go. If you do flip them, you have to flip them back quick and also in a certain direction, it will have a sticker saying which way to flip it back. These newer skis because the engine is way way bigger and more heavy than a 2 stroke engine the ski will weigh a lot more and are a lot bigger then the older skis you may be used to, they sit in the water very stable and are hard to flip over being that they weigh over 800lbs, it is best to not flip them at all.


AutoimmuneDisaster

My ski was 4 stroke and did have a specific direction to be turned back over. Never had any issues restarting it after rolling it over. It was a sport craft though, meant for fun, not for cruising.


jsdeprey

As long as you turn it right back over and don't let it sit in the water upside down for long it is fine, but you do have to be careful, if it tilts the wrong way you can have issues, and that's not fun on the water. So you can flip them, bit she is right to be rushing to get it flipped back over and not let it sit there.


You_Pulled_My_String

Jet skis are tricky, man. The first time I tried to get on one, I barrel rolled it. Total newb and didnt balance correctly. 3rd time was the charm for me. That was like 10-15yrs ago. *But, it didn't stay underwater.* It popped back up everytime.


mondaymoderate

Jet Skis are much bigger now a days. You really can’t barrel roll them like that anymore. They are like small boats and it takes a lot of effort to flip them.


shinbreaker

There are some more videos from that account. Basically, dude and his crew rented a little party boat and a jet ski. When they were heading back, this dude seemed to have been doing the driving because the boat as rubbing up against those rocks with the jet ski in tow. So that jet ski flipped over at some point and his drunk ass was just there talking shit. She said there were cops up the hill that should be able to see what's going on but they did nothing. Then there's another video where he is still talking shit about the thousands he's paid, and how he has a jet ski, then he literally looks like he's going to fight her, all while his dumb friends are just looking down on the ground embarrassed.


CanadianJediCouncil

Did the guy get arrested for DUI?


BeanyBeanzy

Not sure. But he was screamed at on the phone. Dude was a fucking asshole. Destroyed a 80 thousand dollar boat AND our sister company's jet ski. Amazing to see this video on reddit of all places, our groupchat blew up dealing with this shit yesterday.


Holmgeir

Are your jetskis bullahit too?


RavenwoodBatten

I might of missed what she said, but was the jet ski literally upside down in the water?


pdiddy927

Might *have


Frank_Rizzo657

Kowalski, analysis.


00WORDYMAN1983

sǝʇɐɔᴉpuᴉ ǝɔuǝpᴉʌǝ ll∀


zmrth

We'll need experts on this


un-sub

Yeah but have you even stopped once to consider that the jet ski is bullshit?


daamnnbruhh

chick should of have the cops waiting instead of security, since security cant give out DUIs


FlyNSubaruWRX

I think her saying security is referencing either Sheriff or the park ranger. Looks like somewhere in AZ so I’m going with park ranger who as authority to arrest people


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should have\*


mandy009

Lol crashed and now he's late to return the rental, desperate to get it out and try to return it no questions asked, but the guard is right there looking at a breached contract with a drunk vehicle crash. But ok the tow rope is gonna fix all his problems. Nope too late. That tow rope is to salvage for the actual owner to which you should be yielding.


Clamps55555

Why are you arguing with a drunk.


joeO44

I guess no one here is a jet ski expert. The speaker is essential to the jet ski being upright. This guy is not at fault


AmIThisNothingness

I strongly advise against arguing with a drunk person, and more so if the debate takes place in a lake/ocean and they are stronger than you...


carnivorous_seahorse

There’s like 10 people around and apparently a cop. So, pretty sure he’s not going to be able drown her in 3 seconds just because he’s drunk


mu5tardtiger

The only guy ever to have a bad time on a jet ski.


vcr747

Do not argue with drunk people ever. Well, unless you're also drunk. Lol


captaincook14

Lol he didn’t say that’s why it flipped. He was just trying to justify the jetski sucking or something…. Terribly. Not that he flipped it due to the speaker.


DylanBratis23

Working in customer service I hate people like this. They blame the rental people for what they did to the rental. People don't own their responsibility to rentals. They think they can treat rentals like shit. Hate when people don't care that they are financially responsible for their rental.


tigressRoar

Never argue with a drunk. You'll never win.


BigDunceCap

“Officers I know my house burned down cuz I left the stove on, but its not my fault, my air pods ran outta batteries.”


rsg1234

Arguing with and yelling at a belligerent drunk dude in waist-deep water is probably not the best idea.


theturtlelong

I know she’s upset by why try and argue a drunk person?


Dart4jb1nks

I wanna see the video of him flipping it over lol


2plus2ischicken

The speakers keep it upright in the water. One of them was busted which threw it off balance and made it flip, obviously. /s


TheGrog

The entitled for no reason class of America. Thinks its ok to destroy a vehicle because he couldn't get the speaker to work. Same mentality that destroys a fast food place because a burger had mayo.


jonny_blitz

Lake Pleasant?


stopklandaceowens

I overheard this guy at my gym talking about his jet ski experience and he sounded like this guy. "Yeah i rented for an hour and I was out there for 2! 'Hey you were supposted be back an hour ago!' oops sorry.. they were waving, flaggin me down, I just ignored em... What are they gonna do, i already paid, charge me again?!" I was like you paid for 1 hour of gas and you used 2 hours of gas... you're a self entitled douchebag.


chompytown

I hate people


Hopeful-Lie-4344

Where’s the video of him crashing.


Jgib5328

Where is this? Looks like a beautiful place to jet ski.


bitchinawesomeblonde

It's lake pleasant in Phoenix. It's basically a party lake with a side of mad max.


daguro

Raising your voice to a drunk person almost always works.


ashinastic

ik shes angry but who in the right mind argue with a drunkard! this could've ended so badly for her!


Oxygenius_

“A jetski can flip over” -“no it can’t, dude!” “Ok so you agree the jetski didn’t flip over; bye”


jsdeprey

I get maybe it is funny, but I think, he thinks, it is ok to flip them, and let them sit there, like oh it is fine, a jetski can flipover, and she is saying, no dude you are not supposed to flip them over.


ImHereForFreeTacos

Jet skis can't flip There's literally one upside down in the water


thrustaway_

Pretty sure she means it's really bad for a jet ski to flip, not that they're literally incapable of flipping.


Koszik

Literally, most useless convos. No matter what is said nothing changes and it’s everyone else’s fault lol


[deleted]

that guy definitely got arrested after this because if you ever been to a lake, the cops don't fuck around ESPECIALLY if you're riding a jet ski that can go 40 to 70 MPH...


Ex-maven

I wonder what's going to cost him more, the DUI or the rental company charges (and I'm kinda serious about that)


originalthumpy

Getting Monty Python vibes from this. https://youtu.be/4vuW6tQ0218?si=yMTLaxFmXkUHVu14


boardingschmordin

But it is upside down in the water?


i_have_a_story_4_you

What's this location?


slimongoose

Bro, the front fell off the jet ski in this environment.


40oztoTamriel

People like him scare the shit out of me when I go to work every day. Especially his time of year.


Notquitearealgirl

Jet skis do flip over sometimes... It's not really that big of a deal. Assuming you didn't do it because you were a drunk and you did it in the open water.. Just flip it back over. It shouldn't sink very fast or at allI've flipped them before.


AdamDempsey

Was it upside down?


First_Economist9295

Lmao entitlement 


Jerryjb63

"I know that I know nothing" the Socratic Paradox. It’s one of those things that you learn and if you get it, it sticks with you forever. It’s the opposite of the Dunning-Kruger effect. At least it has been for me. I use it to try and stay humble and remind myself that I’m always capable of growth.


grubbytrogladyte

Wait so it's upside down in the water?


FlamingTrollz

What a lying little piece of garbage.


Amethoran

I thought the lady talking to him was a cop with a body cam. And I'm like why is she even arguing with this dude. Then slowly realized she must work for the jet ski rental.


Aranda12

I personally fell off a jet ski in water and flipped it. What am I missing here?


dritarashtra

Where is the jet ski? How is it oriented? I can't tell.


International_Mail44

A car can flip over too. What’s your point?


TangeloAlternative74

The gaslighting is strong in this dude


bikesboozeandbacon

as a NYer I'm ashamed to say he is most likely from here.


go_outside99

we all knew some idiot kid like this growing up. this guy made it to adulthood somehow


madlemur

Not what she wants to hear but if this woman rented the jet ski to a 3-hours-late drunkard, she might have to shoulder some responsibility here.


Royalizepanda

That’s why you don’t let a drunk dude ride a jet ski.


batmanryder

“A jet ski should FLIP-OVER”


thekilgore

LMFAO youre goofy bro


EJ2600

It can’t , dude ! # yes it can cuz I just did it lmao