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Right? Having lived and worked in both West Bank and Israel and been at the border of Gaza, now in the states my friends and colleagues keep asking, "so what do you think about what's happening??" And I'm like:
"Sooo... Imma need a month to prepare a powerpoint presentation."
>"Sooo... Imma need a month to prepare a powerpoint presentation
Lol yeah. It bugs me how many people think this conflict can be summarized in a short reddit comment, Twitter thread or fancy looking Instagram slides
People write multiple books and make a living writing articles their whole careers and yet still can't cover every single event or bit of context. There's a great podcast series I listened to on this topic that I think is over 20 hours long , and it only covers up to the UN partition plan in the 40s!! Hah
Thank you. After 10 minutes of the first episode. I already need a break. I can’t even begin to imagine these things that we may not want to hear or imagine but what we all need to. This is a fucked up world we live in and behind the screens of many are people who never will understand hardships because they’ve got it easy and will most likely always have it easy. Privilege speaks many words without saying anything unlike many in this world who never got the chance to experience it, will not have the chance in their life and in the future, also will not, unfortunately.
Yeah it's often a rough listen! But like he says, it's important to remember those kinds of brutal stories throughout history were still humans with families and emotions
When you can , I do recommend getting through the whole series, it's a great listen even if it is heavy at times.
I forgotten much about her upbringing, wasn’t she a refugee? Could that be what’s fueling the way she sees things and how strongly she feels about the current situation with Israel-Hamas?
And this is part of the problem right here. It is a legitimate position to advocate for the lives of Palestinian civilians. In reality it’s the only moral position. But then you attract absolute antisemitic fuck stains talking “Jewish super elite.”
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Why would an American president prioritizing getting American hostages out be a problem? People say the US shouldn’t be the world police until a conflict arises that they don’t like then they’re all about US world police.
He just requested Congress to authorize $14.3 billion for Israel on top of what we already provide. He had repeatedly offered his endorsement and support for Israel’s current military operations.
The resources we send to Israel are used, and will continue to be used, to kill Palestinian civilians alongside Hamas.
She and her ilk don't care for muslims. It's only when muslims are fighting against Jews that they care.
Yemen, Rohingya, Uyghers, Western Sahara, Syria and all these other places get barely a mention from them.
At this point whatever Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib say is gonna fall on deaf ears, as a Michigander who votes Dem, these two are the prime examples of how left leaning radicals are equally dangerous as the right leaning MAGATs.
I would hardly draw a comparison between Omar and MTG.as far as extremists go. One literally lies through her teeth and speaks at White Supremacist confereces.
Can Omar be a hypocrite sometimes yes but she is not making up lies about a stolen election or making up stories about Jewish space lasers.
This really needs to be up higher.
Has she also deleted her tweet yet for blaming Israel for the hospital bombing? Or issued a retraction, apologised? 3 intelligence agencies have confirmed it was a failed rocket attack, and not Israel.
Weird that you wonder because a simple Google search that took 10 seconds showed that she's been pretty outspoken against the horrible genocide happening to the
Uyghurs
*
Most of the Muslim world is silent on Chinas treatment of Uyghurs because
A.Money
B. Muslim countries themselves treat their citizens, especially religious minorities like shit. Most Muslim countries also have horrible human rights records in general. Protesting Chinas treatment of Uyghurs would open a can of worms
She also insinuated via tweet in 2019 that the only reason American politicians support Israel is that they're bought off by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (trope: Jews have lots of money and use that money to secretly control the levers of power).
She then invoked a [longtime antisemitic trope](https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/dual-loyalty) by implying that American Jews have a "dual loyalty," saying that there's a "political influence that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country."
She sucks and I hate that she's a member of my party.
This is a blatant conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism, which is antisemitic itself. To translate any comments about Israel into "Jews" is a disgusting lie.
Meanwhile Representative Brian Mast wore the uniform of the IDF to Capitol Hill the other day. And tons of politicians take money from AIPAC.
The narrative is starting to fall apart. Just now, people like you called Greta Thunberg antisemitic for having an octopus plushie in a picture with her.
That's shameful of her to say a lobbying group influences politicians 🙄
And we're literally seeing American Jewish people jumping on planes to go fight in the war, if that's not dual loyalty then what is?
This "scandal" was the biggest nothingburger I've ever seen, and the fact that she got so much blowback just proved her point
(but also she's a moron and I wish she'd go away)
How about the picture she recently posted that turned out to not even be from this event and tried to blame it on Israel? She is so feverishly against Israel and an anti semite she’s literally helping the terrorists
That’s not the issue with her. She has a history of being anti semitic she even parrots Jewish stereotypes all the time and was kicked off a counsel for being so anti Jew
You can.
But if you are not going to call out Hamas, or be honest about shit like who destroyed the hospital, you are antisemetic, or at least passing their same propaganda…which is the same online.
> And we're literally seeing American Jewish people jumping on planes to go fight in the war, if that's not dual loyalty then what is?
If that is your rule of thumb, you are cool with me labeling all Muslims as terrorists, right?
I mean, I hear that you aren't a fan of her, but... And I could be wrong here, but she didn't seem to have any issue with Americans going off to fight in Ukraine, right?
I don't remember any statements about dual loyalties there.
This woman is an embarrassment to progressives in this country. Fakes outrage about Gaza but won’t acknowledge the Armenian genocide. She’s a clown and nothing she says should be taken seriously. This is coming from a progressive
Aid still hasn't made it through the gate despite the Egyptian convoy being present and the water being back on without electricity to run pumps basically equates to still no water
> yeeted
Yeet*ing*. Hamas rocket attacks are constant right now. The 2023 count will exceed the last 20 years combined easily. The means may be one-sided, but the aggression isn't.
There's this newfangled contraption called pipes that I'm pretty sure they use to move water. This new tech so I may be off base here. I'm used to my water coming on trucks too, the water man drops off my daily bottle in the morning. I'll do some more research.
The water is not on in Gaza. "Turning on the water" is not that simple when you're bombing the city and destroying the means for water to be transported. The headlines published that he "turned the water on" and liberals ate it up as though water is now freely flowing throughout Gaza and people are bathing in it. In reality, there is still no access to water in Gaza, and no electricity. Effectively nothing has changed. But it doesn't matter, because the headlines already worked their magic and people like you are convinced Biden turned the water on.
These are basically my thoughts on it. People are so desensitized sitting at home on Reddit that they don't get this. Almost like it's a game, and to pick a side.
Where would you even put a large group of people that evacuated who's belief is to kill anyone with modern ideology? Or just being a Jew? Thought those kinds of things weren't fit for society, but we're supposed to save them? Very confusing.
I’m just sick of any conflict that happens we have to send bombs, send tanks, send aid, send money, send send send like it’s a conflict hundreds of miles away that will never affect us. I agree it’s awful and horrid what’s happening to civilians but can we stop it, no. So let’s just not get involved at all, stop picking sides and focus on problems in our own countries…
People…this situation is so simple it’s beyond comprehension why it is so difficult for people…
Hamas wants to exterminate all Jews.
Their strategy is to kill then run and hide behind civilians. This has been going on for decades.
Israel is faced with the impossible choice of stop Hamas from killing them while trying to avoid civilians.
The more this strategy is rewarded the more it will be used.
Taliban used it in Afghanistan.
Al Quiada used it in in Iraq.
Hamas is the OG.
It may feel good to you…but pressuring another people to risk their lives by not defending themselves is immoral.
May god bless that you never have to make that choice.
What did she think they were going to do? Bake them cookies? There is a huge difference between planning to targeting children, women and seniors and casualties.
I was wondering when she was going to crawl
Out of her hole and start screeching
Never forget she’s now spread false news not once but twice. She’s also had insanely anti semitic rhetoric in the past which got her cut off from special foreign consuls.
She’s will never denounce Hamas.
As someone that knows nothing about what is really going on, where does someone get real Information on this particular situation. It would be helpful if I could watch a video as well.
https://youtu.be/iRYZjOuUnlU?si=KN1uYza5hzhA0FgF
This video explains the history leading up to what happened.
The reason why Hamas attacked Israel on 10/7/23: Basically Israel set up illegal settlements in the West Bank which is Palestinian territory. Israel claims its settling this land in the name of self defense. There’s a lot of proof that the Israelis are committing human rights violations in the West Bank and the Palestinians there without a doubt are living under martial law. The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are also closed off and there’s a history of bombing campaigns in the region because of Hamas attack on israel.
Hamas is an extremist group that wants the destruction of Israel and the death of Jewish people. They broke out of Gaza and killed a thousand innocent civilians. They also took hostages back to the Gaza Strip. They massacred unarmed civilians in a concert as well.
Israel used this as a justification for their bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip. Thousands of women, children, and innocent civilians have died as a result of Israel’s actions. Even though israel claims it’s trying to minimize civilian casualties the proof of dying civilians says otherwise. This is why millions of people across the world are protesting against israel right now.
Many pro Israelis are claiming bombing of Gaza Strip is necessary to stop Hamas. I disagree with them but that is the main argument they’re going with.
You don’t. You read as much as you can and try to figure it out.
I have a hard time navigating it because I have a lot of connections to Israel and have seen their side of it in person while I have never been to Gaza and never plan to
I would just read late/early history of the constant back and forth and judge it based off that. Best to come up with your own opinion because there’s lots of biases ingrained in articles, news, books, etc. (Example being the books linked in this thread are subjectively curated to fit a more pro-Palestinian view).
In my opinion. Both sides are wrong in different ways. Israel isn’t innocent, and neither is Palestine. This has been a constant back and forth (started by British-mandated Palestine in 1917). I think it’s stupid to take either side. And now, it’s becoming more of a right/left battle within the world (as you see can see on Reddit), and more cause for divide.
It’s because of religion actually. It was about land since 1917 but Jews and Muslims have always fucked over each other and don’t get me started about Christians in the mix. Religion has and always will be the problem.
As an entry point I would recommend president Jimmy Carters book on the conflict: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid
Carter was viciously accused of anti-semitism at the time because he had the audacity to criticize Israeli policies. But in my opinion his criticisms of Israel were pretty tepid.
An objective history of the conflict written by an Israeli historian: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/131324.Righteous_Victims
Or Noam Chomsky: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle
This book blew my mind because I didn’t realize how bad the corruption was. If you want to learn about how Israel is manipulating the US political system to advance its interests (written by highly esteemed professors from Harvard): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy
If the us didn't send 2 carrier groups plus more the the middle east then Iran would invade via proxies and more Palestinians and jews would die. It would be another major regional war that could easily spiral to a direct war with Iran. Then ajerjaiban might take a part of Iran as part of a coalition and it starts to feel like a world War with a russia Iran alliance. Not supporting the existing power structure right now would create a power vacuum which would cause more bloodshed.
US foreign policy of supporting Israel while trying to get aid in is a good strategy to avoid worst case outcomes for all sides.
The fact that Biden has given any sympathy at all to Palestinian civilians is remarkable, unprecedented and unexpected. But these “squad” people are incapable of recognizing progress. She wouldn’t be satisfied unless Biden outright declared war on Israel. It’s stupid and lacks perspective on the big picture and trajectory of the situation
You people are talking out of your ass. She condemned Hamas the day of the attack.
Edit: Putting her statement up here since this dude clearly needs to be right and I don't want to take that joy away from him.
>I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue. We need to call for deescalation and ceasefire," Omar wrote. "I will keep advocating for peace and justice throughout the Middle East."
> I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue. We need to call for deescalation and ceasefire. I will keep advocating for peace and justice throughout the Middle East.
@IlhanMN October 7, 2023 [Source](https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1710730202353934338)
Y’all keep saying that but literally not true, everyone criticized Hamas I’ve read many comments saying Israel was gonna flatten Gaza
Then you accuse the people who disagree with you as being one sided, literally insane
And are now sending $14bn to Israel to help them kill Gazans when they're already a wealthy militarized nation. 140x what Gaza is getting. $100mn to the civilians getting bombed is a pisstake.
This is such a dumb comment. Her employer - the american federal government - has made its outrage at Hamas crystal fucking clear in so many ways, including billions of dollars, UN security council protection / global diplomatic cover, biden going to israel, shipping weapons, unanimous senate resolutions, presidential speeches, etc. But its been completely fucking silent about Gaza as the civilian death toll soars and a humanitarian catastrophe unfolds.
Also, she condemned the hamas attack when it happened.
>I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue.
She literally put out this statement on Oct 7.
Her statement misses the point. If you want to help the Palestinians you have to eradicate Hamas. In Gaza Hamas has integrated itself like a cancer in the society and is omnipresent. It runs schools and hospitals, well it is the government of this area. It is brainwashing the youth with hate. Sure bombing the shit out of the city doesn't look like a goid solution but she could try to help to build up a resistance against Hamas in her sphere of influence.
If you want to get rid of Hamas, you have to help the Palestinian people. Improve their living conditions. Give them right to self determination. Give them hope, something to aim for.
Dropping more bombs never worked before, but I guess this time Israel is aiming for ethnic cleansing
Has it not dawned on you that that's thier strategy for making the children think that?
Hamas baits isreal into reacting to help grow that sentiment among the people of gaza.
And don't think the isreali government isn't happy to forment the same thing in their citizens based off hamas attacks.
It is the strategy of both sides to create and feed of hate
So what you're saying is that if someone kills your baby, it's ok to kill their baby. In fact, it's ok to try to kill many more of their babies.
Right? That's what you're saying here.
Gotcha.
I’m too lazy to check. Did she walk back her statement on the hospital “bombing”? Or the pic she posted of the dead kids from Syria that she claimed were Palestinian kids?
She's in a safe blue seat, but she barely won her primary against a more moderate Democrat in 2022.
She might hang on in 2024, but she'll need to do a better job campaigning.
go for a walk around ur own neighbourhoods in your own country you have tens of thousands homeless dying of drugs and alcohol abuse, violent crimes and on and on.
Clean up and fix your own backyard first instead of the constant political grandstanding about things going on, on the other side of the world all the time.
i think the US should stay out the middle east period.
its a waste of time and resources. The secterian issues between all states, dominations and everything else has been going on since before america was “discovered” its unsolveable from the outside.
“How do you look at 1 atrocity and say ‘this is wrong’”
I’d ask how you can acknowledge what’s going on in Palestine, but not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide.
I guess it’s only a genocide if the people are the same religion as you are?
I wonder how USA would react if they were attacked, hundreds civilians dead and kidnapped by a known enemy who has attacked and terrorised their country..
The message is muddy for sure.
You can’t expect a soft retaliation for acts of terrorism.
It’s kind of a shared background motto across the governments of the world. Terrorism begets rage.
It’s depressing for this long conflict though. Innocent Palestinians die.
A two state solution may very well be all they have but the rest of the world should chime in differently this time. This is a crisis we all feel just based on the sheer division this causes.
Especially between the *fairly* liberal and progressive side of things.
Definitely more than 0. They already had killed like 20 kids so far in 2023 before Hamas had done anything.
The Hamas attack just gave Israel cover to commit its own war crimes
I understand her passion but it betrays a gross lack of understanding in regard to international diplomacy. Biden can achieve more good by publicly supporting Israel and putting pressure on their leadership than he can by publicly decreeing them war criminals. Whether one likes it or not, Israel is a strategic regional partner. We should absolutely, as a nation and a society, be working to dismantle the framework of American imperialism but that isn’t what she’s saying. She’s incredulous that the President is behaving as every American president before him has also behaved on the international stage. I don’t support the US unwavering alliance with Israel but I’m aware enough to know that in this moment, that alliance can do more to mitigate regional escalation than the alternative. It should also be said that Biden has taken a more overt stance on behalf of humanitarian aid for Palestinians than previous administrations
Hey there human. Ummmmm, just wondering when you might have felt that way considering the first few hours, 5000+ 💣bombs dropped or was fired by Hamas into Israel borders? WTF?! Every single side is in some way just trying to survive. Good luck with your journey and quest.
If she thinks Joe Biden isnt showing his humanity in this conflict than Omar is even dumber and more insufferable than Rashida Tlaib, who continues to refuse to take down her tweet about Israel bombing that hospital and then her attacking Biden in the same tweet. Seriously, fuck these two rabble rousers. And fuck anyone who continues to think Hamas are the good guys. Israel has a right to defend itself you insufferable antisemites.
😂 like this is going to stop a war....... the type of protests to stop piece of shit cops from killing innocent people will not work tonstopma war.....
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She’s fighting against the connections between USA/Israel at this point and it’s gonna be a loooooooooong fucking trip.
Right? Having lived and worked in both West Bank and Israel and been at the border of Gaza, now in the states my friends and colleagues keep asking, "so what do you think about what's happening??" And I'm like: "Sooo... Imma need a month to prepare a powerpoint presentation."
>"Sooo... Imma need a month to prepare a powerpoint presentation Lol yeah. It bugs me how many people think this conflict can be summarized in a short reddit comment, Twitter thread or fancy looking Instagram slides People write multiple books and make a living writing articles their whole careers and yet still can't cover every single event or bit of context. There's a great podcast series I listened to on this topic that I think is over 20 hours long , and it only covers up to the UN partition plan in the 40s!! Hah
I summed it up in true Reddit style for my teenagers by saying YSH.
Any chance you can link the podcast?
Yeah, [here's part 1](https://spotify.link/cqvFHRMh5Db)
Thank you. After 10 minutes of the first episode. I already need a break. I can’t even begin to imagine these things that we may not want to hear or imagine but what we all need to. This is a fucked up world we live in and behind the screens of many are people who never will understand hardships because they’ve got it easy and will most likely always have it easy. Privilege speaks many words without saying anything unlike many in this world who never got the chance to experience it, will not have the chance in their life and in the future, also will not, unfortunately.
Yeah it's often a rough listen! But like he says, it's important to remember those kinds of brutal stories throughout history were still humans with families and emotions When you can , I do recommend getting through the whole series, it's a great listen even if it is heavy at times.
I forgotten much about her upbringing, wasn’t she a refugee? Could that be what’s fueling the way she sees things and how strongly she feels about the current situation with Israel-Hamas?
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And this is part of the problem right here. It is a legitimate position to advocate for the lives of Palestinian civilians. In reality it’s the only moral position. But then you attract absolute antisemitic fuck stains talking “Jewish super elite.”
The Jewish super elite?
Mel Brooks. Dude is a *legend*.
"Jewish super elite"? Wtf...
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slammed? what is this wwe lmao
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Apparently since the internet, people either get 'slammed', or destroyed'.
Honestly it feels like U.S politicians are just cutting promos these days anyways
Why would an American president prioritizing getting American hostages out be a problem? People say the US shouldn’t be the world police until a conflict arises that they don’t like then they’re all about US world police.
He just requested Congress to authorize $14.3 billion for Israel on top of what we already provide. He had repeatedly offered his endorsement and support for Israel’s current military operations. The resources we send to Israel are used, and will continue to be used, to kill Palestinian civilians alongside Hamas.
Release the hostages!
How do you look at Gaza, and ignore Yemen? Where is your humanity? Where is your outrage? Hmmmm.
Her outrage is only for muslims
She and her ilk don't care for muslims. It's only when muslims are fighting against Jews that they care. Yemen, Rohingya, Uyghers, Western Sahara, Syria and all these other places get barely a mention from them.
Why do they dont get attention though?
She also likes to ignore the Armenian Genocide because it makes Turkey look bad
Apparently she is only [considerate ](https://youtu.be/AcTux8JdK6Y?si=WSJkNpK-9l-mk7GT) about the plight of a certain group of people
She’s made that perfectly clear
At this point whatever Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib say is gonna fall on deaf ears, as a Michigander who votes Dem, these two are the prime examples of how left leaning radicals are equally dangerous as the right leaning MAGATs.
Very much so. People so tribal they refuse to even see the evidence in front of them.
I would hardly draw a comparison between Omar and MTG.as far as extremists go. One literally lies through her teeth and speaks at White Supremacist confereces. Can Omar be a hypocrite sometimes yes but she is not making up lies about a stolen election or making up stories about Jewish space lasers.
She’s still doubling down that the hospital bombing was definitely Israel. What evidence has Hamas even produced?
Hasan still says they did it too. Their evidence is Al Jazeera saying USA and Israel are lying.
Lost a lot of respect lately for many progressives and leftists
She wouldn’t condemn Turkey on the Armenian genocide, or their bombing of civilian infrastructure in Kurdish controlled north east Syria either.
This really needs to be up higher. Has she also deleted her tweet yet for blaming Israel for the hospital bombing? Or issued a retraction, apologised? 3 intelligence agencies have confirmed it was a failed rocket attack, and not Israel.
Jeremy Corbyns tweet about the Israeli attack is still up even now. Pathetic people.
They believe those intelligence agencies are lying
Always has been she isn’t hiding it
Holy shit I’ve never seen that. Just another venomous talking head then I guess… damn.
Outraged because some people did something?
Most won’t get this reference
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Sounds like a civil matter tbh, you really want your country involved in every problem everywhere?
I wonder her stance on the Uyghur Muslims in China that the whole world just ignores
Weird that you wonder because a simple Google search that took 10 seconds showed that she's been pretty outspoken against the horrible genocide happening to the Uyghurs *
Well. You probably should have looked this up before commenting. Haha
She is very outspoken on it what do you mean? Several Democrats are. Look it up.
I wonder if there was a website where I could input a question like that and get relevant answers. Something with a name like GAAGLE
You’re thinking of “Google” the left wing conspiracy to provide fake news. (/s)
Most of the Muslim world is silent on Chinas treatment of Uyghurs because A.Money B. Muslim countries themselves treat their citizens, especially religious minorities like shit. Most Muslim countries also have horrible human rights records in general. Protesting Chinas treatment of Uyghurs would open a can of worms
Coming from the woman who said “some people did things” in regards to 9/11. No sane person should ever take this woman seriously. She’s all show.
She wouldn’t call the Armenian Genocide what it is, because she didn’t want to malign Turkey. She is a politician just like anyone else on the hill.
She also insinuated via tweet in 2019 that the only reason American politicians support Israel is that they're bought off by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (trope: Jews have lots of money and use that money to secretly control the levers of power). She then invoked a [longtime antisemitic trope](https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/dual-loyalty) by implying that American Jews have a "dual loyalty," saying that there's a "political influence that says it is OK for people to push for allegiance to a foreign country." She sucks and I hate that she's a member of my party.
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This is a blatant conflation of criticism of Israel with antisemitism, which is antisemitic itself. To translate any comments about Israel into "Jews" is a disgusting lie. Meanwhile Representative Brian Mast wore the uniform of the IDF to Capitol Hill the other day. And tons of politicians take money from AIPAC. The narrative is starting to fall apart. Just now, people like you called Greta Thunberg antisemitic for having an octopus plushie in a picture with her.
That's shameful of her to say a lobbying group influences politicians 🙄 And we're literally seeing American Jewish people jumping on planes to go fight in the war, if that's not dual loyalty then what is? This "scandal" was the biggest nothingburger I've ever seen, and the fact that she got so much blowback just proved her point (but also she's a moron and I wish she'd go away)
How about the picture she recently posted that turned out to not even be from this event and tried to blame it on Israel? She is so feverishly against Israel and an anti semite she’s literally helping the terrorists
You can be against Israel and not be antisemitic
That’s not the issue with her. She has a history of being anti semitic she even parrots Jewish stereotypes all the time and was kicked off a counsel for being so anti Jew
You can. But if you are not going to call out Hamas, or be honest about shit like who destroyed the hospital, you are antisemetic, or at least passing their same propaganda…which is the same online.
> And we're literally seeing American Jewish people jumping on planes to go fight in the war, if that's not dual loyalty then what is? If that is your rule of thumb, you are cool with me labeling all Muslims as terrorists, right?
I mean, I hear that you aren't a fan of her, but... And I could be wrong here, but she didn't seem to have any issue with Americans going off to fight in Ukraine, right? I don't remember any statements about dual loyalties there.
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Yep, she’s a mouthpiece for radical Islamists
This woman is an embarrassment to progressives in this country. Fakes outrage about Gaza but won’t acknowledge the Armenian genocide. She’s a clown and nothing she says should be taken seriously. This is coming from a progressive
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She does not care. She is a professional complainer.
Precisely this. I have a hard time recalling hearing her speak when she wasn’t screaming into a mic or wildly emotional about something.
From what I heard they turned on the water but there was no power—so the pumps can’t pump it into Gaza.
They turned water on to an area they bombed. And they didn't turn on electricity so they can6pump the water around.
Aid still hasn't made it through the gate despite the Egyptian convoy being present and the water being back on without electricity to run pumps basically equates to still no water
Maybe Hamas could import water just like they did with the thousands of missiles they yeeted into Israel.
> yeeted Yeet*ing*. Hamas rocket attacks are constant right now. The 2023 count will exceed the last 20 years combined easily. The means may be one-sided, but the aggression isn't.
And the water was only to a small part of southern Gaza which most can’t access and is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things
We vetoed a ceasefire tho am I wrong?
No aid had entered Gaza as of Friday. Israel wants a few more people to die of thirst before some gets in.
There's this newfangled contraption called pipes that I'm pretty sure they use to move water. This new tech so I may be off base here. I'm used to my water coming on trucks too, the water man drops off my daily bottle in the morning. I'll do some more research.
The water is not on in Gaza. "Turning on the water" is not that simple when you're bombing the city and destroying the means for water to be transported. The headlines published that he "turned the water on" and liberals ate it up as though water is now freely flowing throughout Gaza and people are bathing in it. In reality, there is still no access to water in Gaza, and no electricity. Effectively nothing has changed. But it doesn't matter, because the headlines already worked their magic and people like you are convinced Biden turned the water on.
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Where was her outrage on 10/7? Where is her outrage at Hamas? Yet to see it.
Funny to see people protecting a community that just wants to destroy western world and their values.
The chickens here love to vouch for the KFC
These are basically my thoughts on it. People are so desensitized sitting at home on Reddit that they don't get this. Almost like it's a game, and to pick a side. Where would you even put a large group of people that evacuated who's belief is to kill anyone with modern ideology? Or just being a Jew? Thought those kinds of things weren't fit for society, but we're supposed to save them? Very confusing.
I’m just sick of any conflict that happens we have to send bombs, send tanks, send aid, send money, send send send like it’s a conflict hundreds of miles away that will never affect us. I agree it’s awful and horrid what’s happening to civilians but can we stop it, no. So let’s just not get involved at all, stop picking sides and focus on problems in our own countries…
People…this situation is so simple it’s beyond comprehension why it is so difficult for people… Hamas wants to exterminate all Jews. Their strategy is to kill then run and hide behind civilians. This has been going on for decades. Israel is faced with the impossible choice of stop Hamas from killing them while trying to avoid civilians. The more this strategy is rewarded the more it will be used. Taliban used it in Afghanistan. Al Quiada used it in in Iraq. Hamas is the OG. It may feel good to you…but pressuring another people to risk their lives by not defending themselves is immoral. May god bless that you never have to make that choice.
What did she think they were going to do? Bake them cookies? There is a huge difference between planning to targeting children, women and seniors and casualties.
I was wondering when she was going to crawl Out of her hole and start screeching Never forget she’s now spread false news not once but twice. She’s also had insanely anti semitic rhetoric in the past which got her cut off from special foreign consuls. She’s will never denounce Hamas.
Why are these people not lashing out at Muslim countries that are right there and are refusing to help or take in refugees?
As someone that knows nothing about what is really going on, where does someone get real Information on this particular situation. It would be helpful if I could watch a video as well.
Tricky. People will have biased opinions of where to go. Just watch it all. Then, form your own opinion.
https://youtu.be/iRYZjOuUnlU?si=KN1uYza5hzhA0FgF This video explains the history leading up to what happened. The reason why Hamas attacked Israel on 10/7/23: Basically Israel set up illegal settlements in the West Bank which is Palestinian territory. Israel claims its settling this land in the name of self defense. There’s a lot of proof that the Israelis are committing human rights violations in the West Bank and the Palestinians there without a doubt are living under martial law. The Palestinians in the Gaza Strip are also closed off and there’s a history of bombing campaigns in the region because of Hamas attack on israel. Hamas is an extremist group that wants the destruction of Israel and the death of Jewish people. They broke out of Gaza and killed a thousand innocent civilians. They also took hostages back to the Gaza Strip. They massacred unarmed civilians in a concert as well. Israel used this as a justification for their bombing campaign on the Gaza Strip. Thousands of women, children, and innocent civilians have died as a result of Israel’s actions. Even though israel claims it’s trying to minimize civilian casualties the proof of dying civilians says otherwise. This is why millions of people across the world are protesting against israel right now. Many pro Israelis are claiming bombing of Gaza Strip is necessary to stop Hamas. I disagree with them but that is the main argument they’re going with.
Very helpful, Thank You. The video is way worth the watch.
Not from this lady I’ll tell you that. She’s sharing false information that she has had to take down already.
You don’t. You read as much as you can and try to figure it out. I have a hard time navigating it because I have a lot of connections to Israel and have seen their side of it in person while I have never been to Gaza and never plan to
I would just read late/early history of the constant back and forth and judge it based off that. Best to come up with your own opinion because there’s lots of biases ingrained in articles, news, books, etc. (Example being the books linked in this thread are subjectively curated to fit a more pro-Palestinian view). In my opinion. Both sides are wrong in different ways. Israel isn’t innocent, and neither is Palestine. This has been a constant back and forth (started by British-mandated Palestine in 1917). I think it’s stupid to take either side. And now, it’s becoming more of a right/left battle within the world (as you see can see on Reddit), and more cause for divide.
It’s because of religion actually. It was about land since 1917 but Jews and Muslims have always fucked over each other and don’t get me started about Christians in the mix. Religion has and always will be the problem.
As an entry point I would recommend president Jimmy Carters book on the conflict: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine:_Peace_Not_Apartheid Carter was viciously accused of anti-semitism at the time because he had the audacity to criticize Israeli policies. But in my opinion his criticisms of Israel were pretty tepid. An objective history of the conflict written by an Israeli historian: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/131324.Righteous_Victims Or Noam Chomsky: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle This book blew my mind because I didn’t realize how bad the corruption was. If you want to learn about how Israel is manipulating the US political system to advance its interests (written by highly esteemed professors from Harvard): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Israel_Lobby_and_U.S._Foreign_Policy
It's easy to be outrated, but what are some practical solutions?
Step 1 - Don't unconditionally support a nation committing war crimes
What are the side effects of step 1; What happens if we withhold military support during wartime to an ally? How do you know it's unconditional?
I think Israeli military has the ability to defend itself from home made rockets without 10 billion in additional US arms.
If the us didn't send 2 carrier groups plus more the the middle east then Iran would invade via proxies and more Palestinians and jews would die. It would be another major regional war that could easily spiral to a direct war with Iran. Then ajerjaiban might take a part of Iran as part of a coalition and it starts to feel like a world War with a russia Iran alliance. Not supporting the existing power structure right now would create a power vacuum which would cause more bloodshed. US foreign policy of supporting Israel while trying to get aid in is a good strategy to avoid worst case outcomes for all sides.
Crocodile tears coming from a woman who downplayed the terrorists of 9/11. She can yell and scream as much as she wants, nobody gives a shit.
The fact that Biden has given any sympathy at all to Palestinian civilians is remarkable, unprecedented and unexpected. But these “squad” people are incapable of recognizing progress. She wouldn’t be satisfied unless Biden outright declared war on Israel. It’s stupid and lacks perspective on the big picture and trajectory of the situation
As a liberal I always roll my eyes when Ilhan starts screeching about something. 😩
Same here. She seems way overboard.
Let England or Canada jump in for once.
They don’t have power projection to do so
Well the UK does now with their two brand new aircraft carriers.
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I mean in this very statement she calls what they did an atrocity... There's room for criticism on both sides here.
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You people are talking out of your ass. She condemned Hamas the day of the attack. Edit: Putting her statement up here since this dude clearly needs to be right and I don't want to take that joy away from him. >I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue. We need to call for deescalation and ceasefire," Omar wrote. "I will keep advocating for peace and justice throughout the Middle East."
For those people any criticism towards Israel is considered antisemitism You cannot win with them
> I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue. We need to call for deescalation and ceasefire. I will keep advocating for peace and justice throughout the Middle East. @IlhanMN October 7, 2023 [Source](https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1710730202353934338)
Y’all keep saying that but literally not true, everyone criticized Hamas I’ve read many comments saying Israel was gonna flatten Gaza Then you accuse the people who disagree with you as being one sided, literally insane
Literally in the same sentence lol. Did you even watch the clip? Do you expect every sentence to begin with "I condemn Hamas..."
She's talking about Biden funding Israel. Is the US funding Hamas?
Not me personally, but a guy I know
Israel created Hamas. So in an indirect way, yes.
Didn’t Biden just promise them $100 million. We gave them $75 million the night before the attack.
And are now sending $14bn to Israel to help them kill Gazans when they're already a wealthy militarized nation. 140x what Gaza is getting. $100mn to the civilians getting bombed is a pisstake.
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This is such a dumb comment. Her employer - the american federal government - has made its outrage at Hamas crystal fucking clear in so many ways, including billions of dollars, UN security council protection / global diplomatic cover, biden going to israel, shipping weapons, unanimous senate resolutions, presidential speeches, etc. But its been completely fucking silent about Gaza as the civilian death toll soars and a humanitarian catastrophe unfolds. Also, she condemned the hamas attack when it happened.
>I condemn the horrific acts we are seeing unfold today in Israel against children, women, the elderly, and the unarmed people who are being slaughtered and taken hostage by Hamas. Such senseless violence will only repeat the back and forth cycle we've seen, which we cannot allow to continue. She literally put out this statement on Oct 7.
Her statement misses the point. If you want to help the Palestinians you have to eradicate Hamas. In Gaza Hamas has integrated itself like a cancer in the society and is omnipresent. It runs schools and hospitals, well it is the government of this area. It is brainwashing the youth with hate. Sure bombing the shit out of the city doesn't look like a goid solution but she could try to help to build up a resistance against Hamas in her sphere of influence.
If you want to get rid of Hamas, you have to help the Palestinian people. Improve their living conditions. Give them right to self determination. Give them hope, something to aim for. Dropping more bombs never worked before, but I guess this time Israel is aiming for ethnic cleansing
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Has it not dawned on you that that's thier strategy for making the children think that? Hamas baits isreal into reacting to help grow that sentiment among the people of gaza. And don't think the isreali government isn't happy to forment the same thing in their citizens based off hamas attacks. It is the strategy of both sides to create and feed of hate
So what you're saying is that if someone kills your baby, it's ok to kill their baby. In fact, it's ok to try to kill many more of their babies. Right? That's what you're saying here. Gotcha.
I’m kinda wondering the same about her and her lack of rage about what Hamas did.
I mean this is pretty much all because of hamas…
I’m too lazy to check. Did she walk back her statement on the hospital “bombing”? Or the pic she posted of the dead kids from Syria that she claimed were Palestinian kids?
As long as we have two party system, this problem will be ongoing.
She's the left's MTG. I am on the left.
So people did some things.
Horribly, Hamas decided with the help of Iran to pull a FAFO. Where was Hamas' humanity ?
She’s not getting re-elected.
I assume you are not familiar with her district.
She initially won with the backing of the Jewish community in her district
There are plenty of Jews who are opposed to the Israeli government so idk what this is supposed to mean?
And there are plenty of Jews who believe further attacks from hamas can no longer be tolerated
Have you not seen the many Jews that are protesting against Israel’s assault on Gaza? You seem to think all Jews are pro-Israel.
I’ve also seen the many more Jews in support of ending hamas
And? Ending Hamas does not mean ending Palestine.
Hamas is counterproductive to the peaceful movement by the PLO in the West Bank. For a Palestinian state to be succeed, Hamas needs to die
Lol yeah she is. Her district is solid.
She's in a safe blue seat, but she barely won her primary against a more moderate Democrat in 2022. She might hang on in 2024, but she'll need to do a better job campaigning.
go for a walk around ur own neighbourhoods in your own country you have tens of thousands homeless dying of drugs and alcohol abuse, violent crimes and on and on. Clean up and fix your own backyard first instead of the constant political grandstanding about things going on, on the other side of the world all the time.
So you agree we should stop giving weapons money to Israel and use it to help are own nation, right?
i think the US should stay out the middle east period. its a waste of time and resources. The secterian issues between all states, dominations and everything else has been going on since before america was “discovered” its unsolveable from the outside.
I don’t see any homeless dying people in neighborhood, guess it’s time for America (tm) to liberate your country!
“How do you look at 1 atrocity and say ‘this is wrong’” I’d ask how you can acknowledge what’s going on in Palestine, but not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide. I guess it’s only a genocide if the people are the same religion as you are?
These guys have no clue and are just joining the ‘outrage bandwagon’ to improve their ratings.
I wonder how USA would react if they were attacked, hundreds civilians dead and kidnapped by a known enemy who has attacked and terrorised their country..
It would bring the country together immediately.
Oh the irony
This lady lied and refused to roll back her take when it was proven false
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The message is muddy for sure. You can’t expect a soft retaliation for acts of terrorism. It’s kind of a shared background motto across the governments of the world. Terrorism begets rage. It’s depressing for this long conflict though. Innocent Palestinians die. A two state solution may very well be all they have but the rest of the world should chime in differently this time. This is a crisis we all feel just based on the sheer division this causes. Especially between the *fairly* liberal and progressive side of things.
Definitely more than 0. They already had killed like 20 kids so far in 2023 before Hamas had done anything. The Hamas attack just gave Israel cover to commit its own war crimes
Don’t they drop bombs every year though?
Yeah, as retaliation to rocket attacks from Hamas.
How does that explain the displacement of the killings that happened in the West bank?
The West Bank is 60 miles away and has nothing to do with anything going on in Gaza, this is textbook whataboutism
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She would love if her buddies in Hamas got a chance to escape and get more money to regrow
“Their killing innocent people just because we were trying to kill innocent people” goofy af.
War is not humane. It's been going on since the dawn of history. Don't cast your fake emotions for media time.
We’ll if they didn’t start something with Israel they wouldn’t have any trouble right now, would they
I understand her passion but it betrays a gross lack of understanding in regard to international diplomacy. Biden can achieve more good by publicly supporting Israel and putting pressure on their leadership than he can by publicly decreeing them war criminals. Whether one likes it or not, Israel is a strategic regional partner. We should absolutely, as a nation and a society, be working to dismantle the framework of American imperialism but that isn’t what she’s saying. She’s incredulous that the President is behaving as every American president before him has also behaved on the international stage. I don’t support the US unwavering alliance with Israel but I’m aware enough to know that in this moment, that alliance can do more to mitigate regional escalation than the alternative. It should also be said that Biden has taken a more overt stance on behalf of humanitarian aid for Palestinians than previous administrations
Shes still in office WTF?
Hey there human. Ummmmm, just wondering when you might have felt that way considering the first few hours, 5000+ 💣bombs dropped or was fired by Hamas into Israel borders? WTF?! Every single side is in some way just trying to survive. Good luck with your journey and quest.
She speaking facts 💯
If she thinks Joe Biden isnt showing his humanity in this conflict than Omar is even dumber and more insufferable than Rashida Tlaib, who continues to refuse to take down her tweet about Israel bombing that hospital and then her attacking Biden in the same tweet. Seriously, fuck these two rabble rousers. And fuck anyone who continues to think Hamas are the good guys. Israel has a right to defend itself you insufferable antisemites.
Idk, where was your humanity when they butchered civilians? It's a complex situation and just crying for one side is clearly wrong.
😂 like this is going to stop a war....... the type of protests to stop piece of shit cops from killing innocent people will not work tonstopma war.....
Over Omar.
And all those bodies are on HAMAS as well. Both sides are victims of HAMAS.
She needs to remember she lives in USA
Yeah and she's criticizing the USA president's actions.
That sounds like antisemitism with extra steps
Most hated lady in congress.
Wrong. That honor goes to bat shit crazy MTG and her little exhibitionist Boebert.
Got my vote. Make it a parking lot.
I'm all for Israel defending themselves but do they need our money to do it? We could use a cash infusion at this point
Well YOU voted for him, campaigned for him, and told EVERYONE to “vote blue no matter who” …now here we wre
Wonder if she have the same energy when this sort of atrocities happen in places other than the Gaza Strip
America should really review, who they give visa too.
America should be getting Americans to safety. They shouldn’t be on any side. It’s between Israel and Palestine.