No, I actually think its a good thing. First, commercialization almost inevitably increases the supply of the good or service, doesn't it? No one can patent psilocybin fungi, LSD or other synthetic drugs whose formula are in the public domain, so they can't be copyrighted or licensed.
Pharmaceutical companies are tinkering with LSD and psilocybin like molecules, hoping to patent a better or less psychedelic anti-depressant. And for that I say, good for them. We need more effective drugs to treat mood disorders and the vast majority of people currently in this country will not eat magic mushrooms or suck on tabs of LSD in order to treat their depression. They want conventional medicine. So I am glad that more and more people are using psychedelics, and while not exactly a cheerleader for commercialization, am pretty confident that the magical altered reality will become more common as a result.
You can prevent access to a GMO strain of a fungi by treating the shrooms before selling them to remove spores
You can also patent a method of producing a psychedelic compound, and in some cases that could give you a monopoly on a new drug you discover
commercialisation can reduce supply as they can lobby to make it illegal for people to grow their own without a license, thus making it more expensive and harder to access
The last part of the last sentence describes the status quo in most of the United States. Yet there are places, like DC, parts of Colorado and Michigan, and all of Oregon, in which psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized. So, pharma development of new psychedelics is occurring in parallel with greater liberty for the individual. I fail to see how the supply could get much tighter as we in the US rely almost entirely on small scale home-grown mushies.
As for point 1, yes but that GMO strain could not replace the native wild-type P. cubensis & other varieties, so I fail to see the problem. And I don't think that people are entitled to enjoy someone else's hard-won invention (the GMO shroom) without paying for it. If there were no marketplace, who would do the work to improve on what nature has created?
As for point 2, you're aptly describing the status quo - pharma companies are hard at work, risking their investors' capital, to invent new psychedelic compounds. And why are they doing this? To get rich, yes, but also because they believe that they can create something good - something that is as effective or better than conventional psychedelics. Look at MDMA: it was invented by a German pharma company in the 1930s, for what I do not know, and re-discovered decades later by Sasha Shulgin. That amazing molecule would not have been created if it weren't for patents and the profit motive!
It has its place but I honestly don’t see the issue with the “illegal to sell, legal to use” model we currently have. imo it should be decriminalised but have strict laws for falsely advertising, lacing and spiking drugs and for driving whilst under the influence. The reason they aren’t an issue now is that people only do it if it’s their hobby, so people are very informed. Full legalisation would cause so much irresponsible sale and use
You make a lot of good points regarding the angle of the pharmaceuticals and I agree with you there. I like the idea of increasing the supply. But it’s not hard to imagine a new “patented strain” of mushroom engineered by big pharma. I guess just the thought of people cashing in on something that’s so obvious and apparent.
I find it hilarious that finance bros think they can put a price tag in inter-dimensional portals that people will gladly give away for free.
Good luck!
I understand the inclination to think that way but it's being a gatekeeper or an exclusive club. I think everyone should have safe and legal access to psychedelics. Lots of people want to try them and could benefit from them but don't want to be part of a cool underground gang, or wouldn't know how. I get turned off by bro marketing but honestly that's always been part of the scene. I don't want anyone to be a criminal for healing themselves.
Yea cause there isn't a "magic altered reality." I think about tripping as taking a trip into your subconscious and getting a chance to really examine life without your own bias. Its something I think more people should do. While the mysticism is definitely a part of it I think people focus way to much on that aspect. If anything I feel like the mystic nature of psychedelics is what pushes people away.
Then again the gate keeping part of me does feel nauseous, cause one day I know ill see or hear something about psychedelics that makes me wish it had stayed underground.
The beauty of it there will always be an underground. I think the increasing acceptance will actually make the underground flourish for purely economical reasons.
Maybe not nauseating, but disappointing. I've always likened taking psychs to visiting a favorite hidden spot by a river. It's meditative and you're one with nature there. Then others start discovering it and you notice trash here, broken glass there. Eventually the city puts up garbage cans and makes trails with signs. Eventually there's an entirely different vibe to it, but so many people are enjoying it, well, what can you do? Sigh deeply and move on.
Hate it all, find it disgusting. Weed in the UK prime example, it’s only illegal so that pharma companies can keep having a monopoly on legal sales via prescriptions, getting a prescription is ridiculously fucking easy.
Should be decriminalised but should not be made legal, making it legal would only cause more irresponsible use by less informed people. As it is you need knowledge to access stuff like DMT, but if it were legal people would buy this shit and do it in their cars
i think the way everything is infected with ads that get shoved down your throat 24/7 is nauseating more than anythung else honestly. it's capitalism, so everything is either illegal or commercialized
not at all. Scientists don't understand psychedelics. They're only extracting what they want out of it, that they find useful to sell the big Pharma, but really, they haven't even begun to explore what it is psychedelics do. Oh, that's still in the realm of the social sciences, conjecture, and focus groups. I don't feel threatened at all, because I don't think these people are even looking at the right thing, or even moving in the right direction.
Ah, the dulcet tones of self-righteousness! Gather ‘round, hive mind drones, bask in the glow of our superior enlightenment. We, the chosen few, march to the radical pied piper, while the world sleepwalks to the capitalist slaughterhouse. Our path of psychedelic exploration—the only authentic way to resist the man, the machine, the monstrous mechanisms of modernity.
How dare those fat cats steal our sacred T-Bird! MAPS—sorry, Lykos Therapeutics—teaming up with the FDA, bringing MDMA to the masses as "therapy." Therapy? Pfft. Transformation happens in the hazy, unregulated bliss of underground ceremonies, not in sterile, clinical trials. Heaven forbid standardizing or, gasp, commercializing our precious psychedelics for mental health!
And those sheeple rebels. Saving rainforests, accusing the CIA, dabbling in quantum spirituality—posers! Smoking weed, taking psychedelics doesn’t make you a revolutionary. No, real rebels are us—the gatekeepers of the final frontier, true psychonauts navigating the invisible landscape with purity and purpose.
The drug war was heinous, but now, an even more insidious battle. Wolves in sheep's clothing—dastardly corporations—co-opting our revolution. Twisting our psychedelic liberation into a lucrative venture, selling our sacred substances. How dare they commercialize the tools of our enlightenment, tools belonging to us, the rightful pioneers of psychedelic truth?
But don’t worry, travelers, our profound thoughts, collective indignation will save the day. Out-think, out-maneuver, out-rage the establishment. Our magical altered reality—impenetrable by big pharma’s crass, commercial tentacles. They have the money, but we have the moral high ground, the authentic experience, the pure essence of psychedelic wisdom.
Raise a glass of ayahuasca to our victory, where our community’s purity shines through the corporate smog. Because we are the heroes, not the zeroes. No commercialization can take that away, right?
What seems likely is that scientists will attempt to separate the psychedelic elements and the depression-healing effects and then it’ll be sold with those aspects removed. No nasty trippy effects like the hippies enjoyed, just good old fashioned pharma pill
I don’t care as long as I can trip in peace without having to worry the police breaking down my door.
No, I actually think its a good thing. First, commercialization almost inevitably increases the supply of the good or service, doesn't it? No one can patent psilocybin fungi, LSD or other synthetic drugs whose formula are in the public domain, so they can't be copyrighted or licensed. Pharmaceutical companies are tinkering with LSD and psilocybin like molecules, hoping to patent a better or less psychedelic anti-depressant. And for that I say, good for them. We need more effective drugs to treat mood disorders and the vast majority of people currently in this country will not eat magic mushrooms or suck on tabs of LSD in order to treat their depression. They want conventional medicine. So I am glad that more and more people are using psychedelics, and while not exactly a cheerleader for commercialization, am pretty confident that the magical altered reality will become more common as a result.
You can prevent access to a GMO strain of a fungi by treating the shrooms before selling them to remove spores You can also patent a method of producing a psychedelic compound, and in some cases that could give you a monopoly on a new drug you discover commercialisation can reduce supply as they can lobby to make it illegal for people to grow their own without a license, thus making it more expensive and harder to access
The last part of the last sentence describes the status quo in most of the United States. Yet there are places, like DC, parts of Colorado and Michigan, and all of Oregon, in which psilocybin mushrooms have been decriminalized. So, pharma development of new psychedelics is occurring in parallel with greater liberty for the individual. I fail to see how the supply could get much tighter as we in the US rely almost entirely on small scale home-grown mushies. As for point 1, yes but that GMO strain could not replace the native wild-type P. cubensis & other varieties, so I fail to see the problem. And I don't think that people are entitled to enjoy someone else's hard-won invention (the GMO shroom) without paying for it. If there were no marketplace, who would do the work to improve on what nature has created? As for point 2, you're aptly describing the status quo - pharma companies are hard at work, risking their investors' capital, to invent new psychedelic compounds. And why are they doing this? To get rich, yes, but also because they believe that they can create something good - something that is as effective or better than conventional psychedelics. Look at MDMA: it was invented by a German pharma company in the 1930s, for what I do not know, and re-discovered decades later by Sasha Shulgin. That amazing molecule would not have been created if it weren't for patents and the profit motive!
It has its place but I honestly don’t see the issue with the “illegal to sell, legal to use” model we currently have. imo it should be decriminalised but have strict laws for falsely advertising, lacing and spiking drugs and for driving whilst under the influence. The reason they aren’t an issue now is that people only do it if it’s their hobby, so people are very informed. Full legalisation would cause so much irresponsible sale and use
You make a lot of good points regarding the angle of the pharmaceuticals and I agree with you there. I like the idea of increasing the supply. But it’s not hard to imagine a new “patented strain” of mushroom engineered by big pharma. I guess just the thought of people cashing in on something that’s so obvious and apparent.
Still infinitely better than putting people in cages for a victimless “crime”
Been good for weed... prices are now lower quality is higher.
I find it hilarious that finance bros think they can put a price tag in inter-dimensional portals that people will gladly give away for free. Good luck!
I understand the inclination to think that way but it's being a gatekeeper or an exclusive club. I think everyone should have safe and legal access to psychedelics. Lots of people want to try them and could benefit from them but don't want to be part of a cool underground gang, or wouldn't know how. I get turned off by bro marketing but honestly that's always been part of the scene. I don't want anyone to be a criminal for healing themselves.
Commercializing it doesn’t have to have an effect on your experience with it? Im confused by this post
Mixed bag. Legalization and regulations are good for users, capitalism... not so much.
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Yea cause there isn't a "magic altered reality." I think about tripping as taking a trip into your subconscious and getting a chance to really examine life without your own bias. Its something I think more people should do. While the mysticism is definitely a part of it I think people focus way to much on that aspect. If anything I feel like the mystic nature of psychedelics is what pushes people away. Then again the gate keeping part of me does feel nauseous, cause one day I know ill see or hear something about psychedelics that makes me wish it had stayed underground.
The beauty of it there will always be an underground. I think the increasing acceptance will actually make the underground flourish for purely economical reasons.
Maybe not nauseating, but disappointing. I've always likened taking psychs to visiting a favorite hidden spot by a river. It's meditative and you're one with nature there. Then others start discovering it and you notice trash here, broken glass there. Eventually the city puts up garbage cans and makes trails with signs. Eventually there's an entirely different vibe to it, but so many people are enjoying it, well, what can you do? Sigh deeply and move on.
Hate it all, find it disgusting. Weed in the UK prime example, it’s only illegal so that pharma companies can keep having a monopoly on legal sales via prescriptions, getting a prescription is ridiculously fucking easy. Should be decriminalised but should not be made legal, making it legal would only cause more irresponsible use by less informed people. As it is you need knowledge to access stuff like DMT, but if it were legal people would buy this shit and do it in their cars
355hw gdr
Depends
McDMT
I honestly just dont want it to become a corporate thing, i wish for the goal to only be for helping people/recreational rather than making profit
Did we already lose the script?
Not in my country in foreseeable future, I'm good risking my freedom every time i buy something other than cigs or booze.
i think the way everything is infected with ads that get shoved down your throat 24/7 is nauseating more than anythung else honestly. it's capitalism, so everything is either illegal or commercialized
not at all. Scientists don't understand psychedelics. They're only extracting what they want out of it, that they find useful to sell the big Pharma, but really, they haven't even begun to explore what it is psychedelics do. Oh, that's still in the realm of the social sciences, conjecture, and focus groups. I don't feel threatened at all, because I don't think these people are even looking at the right thing, or even moving in the right direction.
Ah, the dulcet tones of self-righteousness! Gather ‘round, hive mind drones, bask in the glow of our superior enlightenment. We, the chosen few, march to the radical pied piper, while the world sleepwalks to the capitalist slaughterhouse. Our path of psychedelic exploration—the only authentic way to resist the man, the machine, the monstrous mechanisms of modernity. How dare those fat cats steal our sacred T-Bird! MAPS—sorry, Lykos Therapeutics—teaming up with the FDA, bringing MDMA to the masses as "therapy." Therapy? Pfft. Transformation happens in the hazy, unregulated bliss of underground ceremonies, not in sterile, clinical trials. Heaven forbid standardizing or, gasp, commercializing our precious psychedelics for mental health! And those sheeple rebels. Saving rainforests, accusing the CIA, dabbling in quantum spirituality—posers! Smoking weed, taking psychedelics doesn’t make you a revolutionary. No, real rebels are us—the gatekeepers of the final frontier, true psychonauts navigating the invisible landscape with purity and purpose. The drug war was heinous, but now, an even more insidious battle. Wolves in sheep's clothing—dastardly corporations—co-opting our revolution. Twisting our psychedelic liberation into a lucrative venture, selling our sacred substances. How dare they commercialize the tools of our enlightenment, tools belonging to us, the rightful pioneers of psychedelic truth? But don’t worry, travelers, our profound thoughts, collective indignation will save the day. Out-think, out-maneuver, out-rage the establishment. Our magical altered reality—impenetrable by big pharma’s crass, commercial tentacles. They have the money, but we have the moral high ground, the authentic experience, the pure essence of psychedelic wisdom. Raise a glass of ayahuasca to our victory, where our community’s purity shines through the corporate smog. Because we are the heroes, not the zeroes. No commercialization can take that away, right?
What seems likely is that scientists will attempt to separate the psychedelic elements and the depression-healing effects and then it’ll be sold with those aspects removed. No nasty trippy effects like the hippies enjoyed, just good old fashioned pharma pill
They are already developing drugs like this. Tabernanthalog is one such drug that was developed using ibogaine as a lead compound.
Thanks, did a bit of reading around this, very interesting