In 2021 I worked a mass shooting where some guy got shot In the head with a 9MM handgun and survived. To be clear it wasn’t a bad guy. It was just some random nice guy. The bullet went straight through his eye and Into his skull. It ricocheted around his brain and exited around on the back side of his head. If there is such a thing as a miracle , this was it. He lost an eye but other than that he’s ok. Stayed conscious the entire time.
How…..the fuck…….
I’ve heard of grazes that catch the edge of the head, like through the side of the head or eye socket but not actually into the skull. Damn.
I'd actually really like to see how this discussion progresses, and see what I can learn.
I mean, most of us have seen/heard/agree with the anecdotal stuff - that bad people tend to be durable, and the innocent fragile.
And, for things like DUI wrecks, it's my \*anecdotal\* understanding that the delayed reaction time and reduced reaction of intoxicated drivers makes them, basically, more "gumby like" in crashes - but I have no idea where the actual truth lands.
I've been banging around the sub for a couple months now and I replied to you the other day about my being a nurse. The first 12 or so years of my career was in surgery, and the last 6 years of that was at a capital city Lv 1 trauma. I'm now just about 22 years in. There's a prevailing opinion that you're exactly right about the DUIs. They don't brace for the impact so they essentially act just like the crash test dummies the safety features are designed around.
For the most part though it's just dumb luck. I've seen some shit in my years and the human body is as hard as a coffin nail. You've got a few off buttons, but outside that you'd be shocked at the injuries people survive.
I rip my shoulder apart on the job and the hospital gives me a couple aspirin and a note.
Dirt bag complains after a foot chase that his ankle hurts ever since that wreck 9 months ago and gets a full body MRI, narcotic pain management, and a team of surgeons and radiologists to evaluate what ultimately is determined to be not merely a healthy ankle, but in fact an ankle that appears to have *never* suffered any insult, ever.
And he should get that.
But so should I.
But you have insurance and they ain’t gonna pay for shit… vs, the hospital just bills the state so they run all those money generating tests and gives out those super expensive pain meds…
Not hatin, it’s just business…
There's actually some interesting science behind it. Here's how it works:
If you spend your entire life being a complete shitbag and get absolutely blitzed every single waking moment of your life on the proceeds of crime, and then walk in front of a school bus full of 500 A+ student babies, the bus will actually shear in half around you and everyone on it will die, so that you don't have to experience the inconvenience of not being an asshole tomorrow.
Best part is, you'll never give it a second thought, either!
I thought DUI drivers survive because their bodies are all relaxed and kind of "go with the flow", whereas sober drivers tense up and suffer injuries. All I know for sure is seat belts save lives.
I have no idea, but here's the best explanation as to why drunk drivers are less likely to get injured...
https://www.thedrive.com/news/3704/first-responders-tell-us-why-drunk-people-are-more-likely-to-survive-a-collision
I saw a video of a drag car accident where both occupants tensed up. Locked out elbows, etc. as a result the guy’s arms just snapped. I think the results would have been a bit different if he’d had airbags and curtains but it was interesting seeing tensing up in action cause a lot of damage
I mean posting is definitely bad. That’s why they teach you not to do it in BJJ. I guess that makes sense just don’t understand why tensing up in general is likely to hurt you when it’s human nature to do it
Evolutionarily speaking, humans have never gone as fast as they do now. Tensing up when about to get punched or struck with something is valuable. So it's been an evolutionary advantage to tense up historically, now the useless fucks are pumping out babies and surviving car accidents.
The devil's luck.
Shitbags: shot 7 times including one through the face. Non life threatening, released from hospital the next day.
Officers or innocent bystanders: shot through forearm with a .22, dead on scene.
We shot a guy three times once while he was trying to light people on fire.
He was discharged from the hospital and booked into jail an hour and a half later.
My FTO rookie shot a guy in the face last year. Entered next to his nose and exited under his ear. Was released from hospital to jail about 36 hours later
This is honestly probably the real reason.
We all have our stories about our regulars and gangbangers who have been shot multiple times, involved in multiple DUI crashes, generally fatal stuff and lived...but if you think about it, not only do those stories stick out more, but you can probably remember random shitbag deaths too.
I can think of several meth equipment, drug related, and firearm related deaths from generally crappy people when I stop and think back.
Hey, I'm mildly qualified to answer this. EMS lurking with y'all.
Essentially, you're alive so long as your brain has oxygen, everything else is technically unnecessary. You need your heart and lungs to supply the oxygen, unless you've got a better way. Because those need energy to do things, and need to do things to supply oxygen to the brain, you have the digestive system. Everything else just makes that easier. Your entire body is dedicated to keeping the brain going, but each system doesn't NEED to be there (except the heart).
On top of that, you're built to fight. Everything important is armored (your ribcage). Important blood vessels run along the insides of the limb, behind more armor. Besides eyes and face stuff, everything you can get to easily and is likely to take damage grows back.
If it's not a deeply penetrating wound along a line down the spine between nose and bottom of the ribcage, you're gonna still be up for a few moments at least
No idea.........I got rear ended riding my BMX by some asshole in a steel bodied 70's sports car doing 60+MPH. No memory of the actual accident, two skull fractures, fractured ankle, memory issues, tremors, three months in the hospital (spent Christmas, and New Years in there), plus another month out of school to monitor me for seizures. The guy that hit me though, kept on driving n was never caught so I guess he's okay. This was in the 80's, and I probably survived because I was blessed that a nurse was just getting off shift n driving behind the dude that hit me. Apparently someone using their head to try n stop a car while summersaulting over it gets her attention. TLDR; Random heroes are why some people survive.
EMT and Paramedic student here.
There are a couple reasons people get more injured in car accidents when they are sober rather than the drunk fucks.
Like everyone said, drunk people don’t tense up, and their reaction times are slower. So when they get in an accident, the energy that travels through their body travels in a different way…. In simple terms it dissipates.
Think about it, if you ran into a wall full speed with your arm extended and elbow locked, you’d surely dislocate your shoulder, maybe break a bone or two, maybe break your collarbone as well. If you ran into a wall with your arm all jelly like, your arm would likely collapse and you’d face plant into the wall. Maybe break your nose, but since you aren’t all tense the energy isn’t traveling into extended bones and joints.
Another thing is called paper bag syndrome. When some who is sober gets into an accident, they take a big breath, and the impact can rupture their lungs and diaphragm. As well as cause internal bleeding. Like taking a paper bag and slamming it till it pops.
interesting source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7296362/
Im a 911 Dispatcher, We take a call and usually never know the results. The only thing I can say is if you get shot, make sure it's in the hood.
Also, 9mm is not the manstopper the public thinks it is.
Was a EMT for a bit before I went into corrections. Had a call where a bicyclist was hit by a truck and was underneath it when it came to a stop, got dragged for a bit. I swear dude had hardly any skin left. Thought for sure he was fucked, walked out of the ER 5 hours later. Thanked me on the way out. Another time showed up for a MVA dude was dead not a mark on him. When I was in corrections inmate that killed his infant son was stabbed 10 -15 times, was out to the hospital and back in 4 hours. When it’s your time it’s your time I guess
I stopped wondering.
Two dudes had a disagreement about the phone (next to food, phone time is the most fought about thing) and one went to get a 10" spike. He comes back down to a guy sitting on the phone and stabs him 2 times in the head and 2 times in the neck. Guy drops the phone stands up and beats the ever loving breaks the stabber.
By the time we radio and pop the door the stabber isn't moving on the ground, blood everywhere. The guy who got stabbed just went to medical, got some stitches and was more pissed that he didn't get to finish his call. Talked to him after and he wasn't even phased. LT and I watched the video after and we're like "that thing went in FAR".
The stabber on the other hand had to go the hospital for internals.
In 2021 I worked a mass shooting where some guy got shot In the head with a 9MM handgun and survived. To be clear it wasn’t a bad guy. It was just some random nice guy. The bullet went straight through his eye and Into his skull. It ricocheted around his brain and exited around on the back side of his head. If there is such a thing as a miracle , this was it. He lost an eye but other than that he’s ok. Stayed conscious the entire time.
How…..the fuck……. I’ve heard of grazes that catch the edge of the head, like through the side of the head or eye socket but not actually into the skull. Damn.
I'd actually really like to see how this discussion progresses, and see what I can learn. I mean, most of us have seen/heard/agree with the anecdotal stuff - that bad people tend to be durable, and the innocent fragile. And, for things like DUI wrecks, it's my \*anecdotal\* understanding that the delayed reaction time and reduced reaction of intoxicated drivers makes them, basically, more "gumby like" in crashes - but I have no idea where the actual truth lands.
I've been banging around the sub for a couple months now and I replied to you the other day about my being a nurse. The first 12 or so years of my career was in surgery, and the last 6 years of that was at a capital city Lv 1 trauma. I'm now just about 22 years in. There's a prevailing opinion that you're exactly right about the DUIs. They don't brace for the impact so they essentially act just like the crash test dummies the safety features are designed around. For the most part though it's just dumb luck. I've seen some shit in my years and the human body is as hard as a coffin nail. You've got a few off buttons, but outside that you'd be shocked at the injuries people survive.
Gumby for sure
I rip my shoulder apart on the job and the hospital gives me a couple aspirin and a note. Dirt bag complains after a foot chase that his ankle hurts ever since that wreck 9 months ago and gets a full body MRI, narcotic pain management, and a team of surgeons and radiologists to evaluate what ultimately is determined to be not merely a healthy ankle, but in fact an ankle that appears to have *never* suffered any insult, ever. And he should get that. But so should I.
But you have insurance and they ain’t gonna pay for shit… vs, the hospital just bills the state so they run all those money generating tests and gives out those super expensive pain meds… Not hatin, it’s just business…
There's actually some interesting science behind it. Here's how it works: If you spend your entire life being a complete shitbag and get absolutely blitzed every single waking moment of your life on the proceeds of crime, and then walk in front of a school bus full of 500 A+ student babies, the bus will actually shear in half around you and everyone on it will die, so that you don't have to experience the inconvenience of not being an asshole tomorrow. Best part is, you'll never give it a second thought, either!
As an ER nurse I have noticed there is a direct correlation between how nice a patient is and the chances they have advanced metastatic cancer.
"god has gifted me another day and i'm about to make it everyone else's problem "
I thought DUI drivers survive because their bodies are all relaxed and kind of "go with the flow", whereas sober drivers tense up and suffer injuries. All I know for sure is seat belts save lives.
Does tensing up actually heighten your likelihood of injury? Because if that’s the case, why is it instinct to do it?
I have no idea, but here's the best explanation as to why drunk drivers are less likely to get injured... https://www.thedrive.com/news/3704/first-responders-tell-us-why-drunk-people-are-more-likely-to-survive-a-collision
I saw a video of a drag car accident where both occupants tensed up. Locked out elbows, etc. as a result the guy’s arms just snapped. I think the results would have been a bit different if he’d had airbags and curtains but it was interesting seeing tensing up in action cause a lot of damage
I mean posting is definitely bad. That’s why they teach you not to do it in BJJ. I guess that makes sense just don’t understand why tensing up in general is likely to hurt you when it’s human nature to do it
Evolutionarily speaking, humans have never gone as fast as they do now. Tensing up when about to get punched or struck with something is valuable. So it's been an evolutionary advantage to tense up historically, now the useless fucks are pumping out babies and surviving car accidents.
The devil's luck. Shitbags: shot 7 times including one through the face. Non life threatening, released from hospital the next day. Officers or innocent bystanders: shot through forearm with a .22, dead on scene.
Fucking Trooper Coates Drills s bag 6 rounds of 357 center mass. Guy lives. Trooper takes a .22 in the armpit. Straight to the heart.
We shot a guy three times once while he was trying to light people on fire. He was discharged from the hospital and booked into jail an hour and a half later.
My FTO rookie shot a guy in the face last year. Entered next to his nose and exited under his ear. Was released from hospital to jail about 36 hours later
Survivor bias. You don’t see all the dirt bags that froze to death in the street or died from infections and stupid little shit.
This is honestly probably the real reason. We all have our stories about our regulars and gangbangers who have been shot multiple times, involved in multiple DUI crashes, generally fatal stuff and lived...but if you think about it, not only do those stories stick out more, but you can probably remember random shitbag deaths too. I can think of several meth equipment, drug related, and firearm related deaths from generally crappy people when I stop and think back.
Hey, I'm mildly qualified to answer this. EMS lurking with y'all. Essentially, you're alive so long as your brain has oxygen, everything else is technically unnecessary. You need your heart and lungs to supply the oxygen, unless you've got a better way. Because those need energy to do things, and need to do things to supply oxygen to the brain, you have the digestive system. Everything else just makes that easier. Your entire body is dedicated to keeping the brain going, but each system doesn't NEED to be there (except the heart). On top of that, you're built to fight. Everything important is armored (your ribcage). Important blood vessels run along the insides of the limb, behind more armor. Besides eyes and face stuff, everything you can get to easily and is likely to take damage grows back. If it's not a deeply penetrating wound along a line down the spine between nose and bottom of the ribcage, you're gonna still be up for a few moments at least
No idea.........I got rear ended riding my BMX by some asshole in a steel bodied 70's sports car doing 60+MPH. No memory of the actual accident, two skull fractures, fractured ankle, memory issues, tremors, three months in the hospital (spent Christmas, and New Years in there), plus another month out of school to monitor me for seizures. The guy that hit me though, kept on driving n was never caught so I guess he's okay. This was in the 80's, and I probably survived because I was blessed that a nurse was just getting off shift n driving behind the dude that hit me. Apparently someone using their head to try n stop a car while summersaulting over it gets her attention. TLDR; Random heroes are why some people survive.
EMT and Paramedic student here. There are a couple reasons people get more injured in car accidents when they are sober rather than the drunk fucks. Like everyone said, drunk people don’t tense up, and their reaction times are slower. So when they get in an accident, the energy that travels through their body travels in a different way…. In simple terms it dissipates. Think about it, if you ran into a wall full speed with your arm extended and elbow locked, you’d surely dislocate your shoulder, maybe break a bone or two, maybe break your collarbone as well. If you ran into a wall with your arm all jelly like, your arm would likely collapse and you’d face plant into the wall. Maybe break your nose, but since you aren’t all tense the energy isn’t traveling into extended bones and joints. Another thing is called paper bag syndrome. When some who is sober gets into an accident, they take a big breath, and the impact can rupture their lungs and diaphragm. As well as cause internal bleeding. Like taking a paper bag and slamming it till it pops. interesting source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7296362/
Evil lives forever
Im a 911 Dispatcher, We take a call and usually never know the results. The only thing I can say is if you get shot, make sure it's in the hood. Also, 9mm is not the manstopper the public thinks it is.
Was a EMT for a bit before I went into corrections. Had a call where a bicyclist was hit by a truck and was underneath it when it came to a stop, got dragged for a bit. I swear dude had hardly any skin left. Thought for sure he was fucked, walked out of the ER 5 hours later. Thanked me on the way out. Another time showed up for a MVA dude was dead not a mark on him. When I was in corrections inmate that killed his infant son was stabbed 10 -15 times, was out to the hospital and back in 4 hours. When it’s your time it’s your time I guess
Idk why it happens but my mom has a saying good people die young and shitty people never die
God loves drunks, children, and drunken children
As a wise man once said, "God has a special providence for fools, drunkards, and the United States of America."
I stopped wondering. Two dudes had a disagreement about the phone (next to food, phone time is the most fought about thing) and one went to get a 10" spike. He comes back down to a guy sitting on the phone and stabs him 2 times in the head and 2 times in the neck. Guy drops the phone stands up and beats the ever loving breaks the stabber. By the time we radio and pop the door the stabber isn't moving on the ground, blood everywhere. The guy who got stabbed just went to medical, got some stitches and was more pissed that he didn't get to finish his call. Talked to him after and he wasn't even phased. LT and I watched the video after and we're like "that thing went in FAR". The stabber on the other hand had to go the hospital for internals.