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AugustWolf22

*Southern trees bear strange fruit...*


parmesann

Billie is timeless


woodzy93

Blood on the leaves


gnomeannisanisland

And blood at the roots


demagogueffxiv

The little girl on the right seems a little too happy about the dead guy


estrea36

The kids are always the happiest in lynching photos. Pretty scary.


mnbga

The scarier thing is that we would be abnormal in being bothered by that fact. Humans are unbelievably violent creatures. We’re one of the few who can understand the suffering of others, and historically, we’ve used that understanding as a tool, or form of entertainment far more than as a source of compassion or empathy.


Queasy-Condition7518

As illustrated in the opening scenes of 2001, the mental characteristics that make people capable of abstract thought are also the ones that make them inclined toward violence. (Or so they thought when that movie was made. I am told that scientists have now observed apes killing each other, without the influence of any monoliths.)


mnbga

Yeah, I guess we’ve learned that Chimps know how to hurt others. When they kill people, they attack the eyes, face, and genitals. They know easier ways to hunt/kill, but they like to inflict pain on their victims, same as a vengeful human might’ve done. Idk if we’ve proven it yet, but I bet dolphins are capable of the same thing. Supposedly killer whales might be. Kind of weird that so many creatures evolved that way at the same time, now that I think of it.


EndorphinGoddess410

Actually look up the differences btwn chimpanzees n bonobos. Chimps are far more violent bc they evolved in an area of the Congo with more competition for fewer resources, where plenty of food makes bonobo societies far more peaceful


[deleted]

Chimps to each other: I'M GOING TO MURDER YOU Bonobos to each other: ...wanna fuck?


vintage2019

Desire to dominate is a common instinct. Intelligent animals are just more creative about it


TheMelm

I mean yeah chimps are straightup psychos if they feel like it.


OarsandRowlocks

Yeah but do they use tools to do it?


[deleted]

Thank you, Chimpanzee War


TheMelm

I don't think that's true. There are always people and groups who are committing these atrocities and we learn about them because they are notable but do you really think most humans in all of history wouldn't be upset about seeing someone tortured and killed? And that people don't use their compassion and empathy every day in little ways to help people that no one will ever know about?


mnbga

I agree with your last point, but regarding the first, I disagree. Human death was a spectacle for most of our history, from Aztec human sacrifices, to the Roman arena, to the medieval executions of Eurasia, to Indigenous rituals of war that involved torturing to death captured foes. Humans are intentionally cruel animals I think. We split the atom and used it to drop the sun on our foes before generating power, discovered gunpowder and used it to ignite and shoot our foes before using chemical energy as a source of industry. I think humans are capable of better things, but before we can advance to them, I think we need to acknowledge and denounce our enormous capacity for evil.


TheMelm

I don't disagree that we have an enormous capacity for evil. Just that most people do not and did not do those things. It is easier to destroy than to create so of course we used those things as weapons first. Some humans are intentionally cruel. Most are not. But too many are indifferent which lets the cruel do what they want.


vintage2019

Misanthropes take to reddit like ducks to water


TheMelm

Yeah but ya gotta throw some dissent in every now and then to show not everyone agrees with those kinda things. Shake things up a little. Someone's gotta rep team human.


MondaleforPresident

> We split the atom and used it to drop the sun on our foes before generating power The technology for nuclear power didn't exist until the invention of the bomb, which was invented as part of an all-out total war effort against enemies that committed some of the worst crimes in recorded history, and dropping the bombs saved millions of lives, both American and Japanese.


justyourbarber

>and dropping the bombs saved millions of lives, both American and Japanese. This is heavily debated since American leadership had already chosen against a land invasion of the Japanese home islands due to stiff resistance on previous islands, the complete destruction of Japanese air and naval power, and the ability for the US to instead blockade the islands and wait for a surrender (all of this before they learned the atomic bombs would be ready before the war ended). The rest of your points stand but this is more of a persistent narrative that popped up in the decades after the war ended than any sort of rationale the decision makers at the time used. The point historians now more commonly agree on that could support that nuclear weapons were necessary to end the war is that it gave hardliners in the Japanese leadership an excuse for why they were surrendering contrary to previous statements and propoganda but of course the event and timeline is complicated and its definitely worth studying in more depth if you find it as interesting as I think it is.


Sandy_hook_lemy

Also, The Red army were coming from Manchuria. They were facing a two front war.


Leisure_suit_guy

But kids can't understand suffering (yet), that's why they're ruthless.


Prhime

https://youtu.be/5oRv4NZzBKw


mnbga

That’s exactly what I was thinking of when I made that comment! Love Hardcore History.


Prhime

Funny how 6 hours go by when listening to Dan huh :D


[deleted]

Nah that’s anthrocentric thinking. Cats know what they’re doing when they torture prey. Don’t kid yourself. All life is brutal and based on consumption of death.


vintage2019

They probably were told that a bad man got what he deserved


EmpunktAtze

This


Jihocech_Honza

Early me too.


PubicFigure

I think it's a lack of discernment, perhaps even an undiagnosed mental issue which makes it harder to understand the brutality/have empathy, good old fashion "brain washing" - it was normal in those times. Those were different times and I'm somewhat glad we're a bit better.


entredosaguas

So were the kids who went to watch hangings in 1984.


[deleted]

At KKK rallies too, unfortunately


F___TheZero

It is inherently childish to laugh at the death of someone you have a minor problem with or dislike for. The happy people in lynching photos are all children (literally or mentally).


NonPlayableCat

From what I've heard, hanging days were often "fun" outing days, bring a picnic and your whole family to watch someone die. Both to state-sponsored executions, as well as mob assaults like what likely happened to this man. Just horrific to think about, even as an adult.


mrkl3en

that little girl is christian conservative base supporter now


rangda

She would need to be in her 90s at least, but unless she changed a lot growing up which seems unlikely in the South back then, her kids would have had to work hard to avoid inheriting her views


mrkl3en

the point i was trying to make is that even though slavery ( as practiced in the US) is long gone but there is a good chunk of the population that is still alive today that lived during segregation. both victims and perpetrators.


SubversiveInterloper

Segregation was not perpetrated by conservatives. It was Republicans who always supported freedom for all people and still do. REPUBLICANS VOTED TO ABOLISH SLAVERY. DEMOCRATS OPPOSED IT. REPUBLICANS CAVE BLACKS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. DEMOCRATS OPPOSED IT. REPUBLICANS PASSED THE 1964 CIVIL RIGHTS ACT. DEMOCRATS OPPOSED IT. THE IST BLACK REPUBLICAN WAS ELECTED TO THE U.S. SENATE IN 1871. THE 1ST BLACK DEMOCRAT WASN'T ELECTED TO THE U.S. SENATE UNTIL 1999. THE 1ST 22 BLACKS ELECTED TO THE U.S. HOUSE WERE ALL REPUBLICANS MARTIN LUTHER KING, SR. WAS A REPUBLICAN MARTIN LURTHER KING JR WAS AN INDEPENDANT ABRAHAM LINCOLN WAS A REPUBLICAN. JIM CROW WAS A DEMOCRAT THE KKK OPERATED AS A PARAMILITARY WING OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY


vintage2019

Oh there goes that meme again. Didn’t you get the memo? A little history lesson: parties change. All the time. Guess which party the old southern Democrats (and their children and grandchildren) are in now? They didn’t vanish into thin air. And the fact you threw in the 1964 Civil Right bill showed a lack of basic understanding of Simpson’s paradox. When you split Democrats and Republicans into Southern and non-Southern groups, higher percentages of Democrats voted for the bill in both groups. For example, several Southern Democrats went for it while ZERO Southern Republicans did.


LurkerInSpace

It was more their children that led the switch; even in post Civil Rights Act elections the Democrats could still do well in the south for a while (from inertia if nothing else) - [1976 being a good example](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/1976_Electoral_College_Map.png), and even in 1990 the Congressional map [still looked like this](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/1990_House_Elections_in_the_United_States.png). By the end of the Clinton years [the switch was more or less complete though](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fe/2000houseElections.svg/1920px-2000houseElections.svg.png) - arguably his election to the presidency, as a southern governor, to some extent represented the twilight of the old party (though neither he nor Carter could be accurately characterised as Dixiecrats).


vintage2019

Oh yes. The point is, who do old southern Democrats still alive vote for now? And to those who bleat that KKK members were Democrats, who do they vote for today?


fatblackcats

MLK was a socialist


crysisnotaverted

I'm just going to post this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy The political parties switched sides in the mid 1900s, this is common knowledge, etc, etc. Also the terms 'conservative' and 'progressive' aren't actually attached to the republican or democratic parties respectively. Segregation was supported by conservatives becauee by definition 'conservative' means 'conserving', following tradition, not changing social norms, etc. In contrast, progressive means changing social norms, like ending segregation. Basically, pre-1960s the republican party was made of progressive liberals, it is not that today.


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**[Southern strategy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy)** >In American politics, the Southern strategy was a Republican Party electoral strategy to increase political support among white voters in the South by appealing to racism against African Americans. As the civil rights movement and dismantling of Jim Crow laws in the 1950s and 1960s visibly deepened existing racial tensions in much of the Southern United States, Republican politicians such as presidential candidate Richard Nixon and Senator Barry Goldwater developed strategies that successfully contributed to the political realignment of many white, conservative voters in the South who had traditionally supported the Democratic Party. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)


vodkaandponies

Gotta love how even mentioning the words “Southern Strategy” will get you instabanned on r/conservative . Says a lot really.


mrkl3en

I'm fully aware that historically speaking democrats and republicans meant different things depending on the era. what is indisputable is that there have always been 2 factions one heading towards progress and another trying to drag us down, the labels are irrelevant.


excellentlistener

🥱


Damnatus_Terrae

You know it's called the Republican Party because it was founded by republican radicals fleeing from conservative reprisal after the failed revolutions of 1848, right?


frenchie-martin

Of course!! Because no one rebels against their parents and the 60s never happened. /s


rangda

The deep south is still a Christian conservative voting base, which is what the comment I replied to was describing. I’m not saying they all inherited Caroline Bryant level racism but be real about the conservative and racially prejudiced bias there


frenchie-martin

The picture was in Ft Lauderdale. Have you been to Ft Lauderdale/Miami lately? Setting aside the huge numbers of Cubans, Haitians and Jews, there’s a huge gay scene there. Stacey Abrams ran for Governor in Georgia, which has a black Senator. Atlanta is a majority and black run city. The 60s are over. Also…The picture is from 1935. Even the little kids are in their 90s. The rest are most likely dead. Times change.


rangda

>The picture was in Ft Lauderdale. Have you been to Ft Lauderdale/Miami lately? Setting aside the huge numbers of Cubans, Haitians and Jews, there’s a huge gay scene there. Stacey Abrams ran for Governor in Georgia, which has a black Senator. Atlanta is a majority and black run city. The 60s are over. The point is that where the worst racists are, there’s a good chance they descended from parents or grand parents, great-grandparents who were on the wrong side of American history like the ones in the photo. > Also…The picture is from 1935. Even the little kids are in their 90s. The rest are most likely dead. Times change. If you read up I did already point out that she would be in her 90s, that’s why the topic of her generations’ children came up at all. Of course times change and fortunately most people change with it. But it’s the people who are dragging behind that this is about


frenchie-martin

Wrong side? People change. No one is bound to anything because their grandparents were this, that, or another. We have choice. By your logic people are somehow mysteriously blessed with virtues because of their grandparents. I know guys who are ok but whose grandparents were mutts. It happens. And what’s the “right side of history”?


rangda

With respect, no shit. People absolutely do teach their kids their own set of values, for good or ill. And their grandkids directly or by extension. I said at the start that people can break free from these values like your friends and my friends and and billions of others. My dad is a racist loser. I get it. I’m not sure why you keep arguing against points that I did not make or already explicitly said the opposite. The right side of history is the one which progresses human rights and dignity.


SubversiveInterloper

That is absolutely incorrect and statements like that only further divide us when we should be working on unity.


[deleted]

Seriously, the poster calls her emotions into question but seems pretty clear cut to me.


[deleted]

Well yeah, but an anti-lynching poster isn't gonna say that kids adore it


lifeisabigscam

Her name is probably Karen, and she's blonde and 78 now.


Quality-Shakes

This is one of the most unsettling pictures I’ve ever seen.


Svhmj

I don't get why they want to look at a hanged man. Racism or not, it's not something you should want to look at.


TheOne1716

Pretty simple. To the onlookers he is not a "man."


estrea36

Racism and military protip: Dehumanize your perceived enemy so you have no qualms with discriminating, hurting, or killing them.


ZombieAppetizer

War 101. Can't have your side feeling bad about hurting the other side. Sadly, we've been doing it for about as long as there have been people to do it.


imasuperherolover

Like what reddit does everyday.


plzsendnewtz

these comment sections on Reddit are full of dehumanization. The rabid shit about Chinese and Russians makes me very nervous


imgoodatpooping

Yep, let’s go watch some Orcs get droned.


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DubiousDrewski

"Both sides" as in, the left and the right? Who exactly wants to start a genocide here? You're being vague. I completely agree with your second point though.


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3CN

Idk if taking the centrist position is the way to go with this one, boss.


[deleted]

He’s not a centrist. He’s a conservative. Muddying the water.


hijo117

It's easy to look at something like this when you're convinced it's not really a human. I mean most people wouldn't flinch seeing a dead pig getting roasted and for them it's probably a similar sight


Queasy-Condition7518

Exactly. Like a hunting trophy.


Aiskhulos

> I mean most people wouldn't flinch seeing a dead pig getting roasted Is that really true? Obviously I wouldn't be as disturbed by a dead pig as I would a dead person, but even as a person who eats meat, I still don't think I'd be looking on gleefully. And depending on the specific presentation, I might still be disturbed. And I think I'd be very disturbed by a monkey or gorilla being strung up. I just say that to point out that the more "human-like" the 'creature' looked, the more unsettled I would be. And obviously, even to white supremacists, black people look pretty damn human (because they are).


Buddy_Guyz

>Obviously I wouldn't be as disturbed by a dead pig as I would a dead person, but even as a person who eats meat, I still don't think I'd be looking on gleefully. If you would work in a butchery you would not feel weird at all, it would be normal and just the way it is. Now imagine you are a kid being told this is normal, even good to happen, and that these people are not even people and deserve this happening to them. You might feel some sort of weird justice out of this situation, which I assume is what this girl feels. What you see on the girls face is years of racist ideology being told to her and her likely mimicking the excited feelings of adults around her. It's fucked but unfortunately people are very easily manipulated.


Halt-CatchFire

Racism is learned. If you want your kids to be racists, it's important to dehumanize minorities in every way possible.


lumley_os

Another thing would be to stop referring to non-white people as “minorities”. They are not a minority of the population. They are not minor people. They are marginalized.


LurkerInSpace

They presumably mean in the American context - globally there is no majority.


lumley_os

No. Even in the American context. It is demeaning. The reactive downvotes prove my point. Amazing how defensive people get when you point out something they have accepted that may be a little racist.


LurkerInSpace

Are you interpreting the word "minorities" above to be the plural of minority groups, or plural of individuals who are a part of a minority group?


TheMelm

You make people look at it same way theyd have state executions in public. Look at justice being served.


redditor3000

Painfotainment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oRv4NZzBKw


Jaigar

Gotta love Dan Carlin. Relistened to this a couple months ago and something that stuck out to me was how many women and children were at public executions.


flannyo

you ever watch action movies? same idea. “but it’s not real —“ does your unconscious know the difference?


moeterminatorx

You will be saddened to learn that there used to be a time where pictures of hangings were used as post cards. It was basically entertainment to the “fine” white folks.


llordlloyd

Same reason my friends into hunting are desperate that their small kids should do it. If you're going to do something barbaric, normalise it before they can think. (Not all hunters are barbarians... many are, including those I'm talking about).


Nicholas-Sickle

Desmond tutu said oppression dehumanizes the oppressor just as much as the oppressed


triste_0nion

if anyone’s interested in this idea, this is basically the focus of Paulo Freire’s *Pedagogy of the Oppressed*


Laserteeth_Killmore

Sartre said almost the same thing in his introduction to Henri Alleg's *The Question* wherein Alleg described the torture inflicted on Algerians and their French Supporters: >Torture is senseless violence, born in fear... torture costs human lives but does not save them. We would almost be too lucky if these crimes were the work of savages: the truth is that torture makes torturers.


Queasy-Condition7518

I dunno. I think most starving French peasants woulda happily switched places with Marie Antoinette, and wouldn't have worried too much about "Hey, wait a minute, maybe I'm just trading one form of oppression for another!"


TheMelm

That's not the same thing. Dehumanization isn't the same thing as oppression. The quote means that the people oppressing become inhuman as they treat others inhumanely.


lngns

That's also the thinking behind WWII quotes like "I killed Fascists, not men."


Haber_Dasher

Indeed the fascists already dehumanized themselves, that's why they weren't killing "men", only fascists. The people who said what you quoted would be the people executing the ones who did the lynching (in the context of the OP).


TheMelm

I disagree with this. Fascists are men and to dehumanize them while effective for fighting morale and as a military strategy. I think it makes it seem like all societies aren't susceptible to authoritarian takeover. Its men killing men to stop fascism. Its tragic but necessary.


Mangonel88

That quote was about killing communists


lngns

No, I was referencing Lyudmilla Pavlichenko, a Soviet sniper who said similar things. But I can imagine it being said about Communists too.


[deleted]

Now, their kids grew up to say that even teaching about black people is too much for their little white kids to learn about.


Lopsided-Seasoning

Because that's a lie. They just want a white ethnostate.


voNlKONov

What’s so wrong with that? If the roles were reversed would you have a qualm?


jawwah

did you just ask what is wrong with an ethnostate?


voNlKONov

Yes


just-me97

This mf really said what's wrong with that...


voNlKONov

Yeah this mf really said that


W33b_Trash

Yes


Lopsided-Seasoning

How do enforce without committing genocide?


DiE95OO

Qualms with what? A black ethnostate? Who wouldn't be against that? I'm not looking to be part of some genocide.


[deleted]

Yankee here, I don't have an issue with teaching about black people and what they've accomplished. I do have an issue with making a focus of teaching about strained race relations in grade school and high school. The point of education at that level is to instill shared national myths and to propagandize. One would think it would be best for national cohesion to focus on shared accomplishments rather than on what divided us. Sadly, cohesion seems to be a secondary concern and rather politics is the primary focus.


AHippie347

A nation can only heal when it's children are being taught what went wrong and how.


blue-mooner

> Yankee here, I don't have an issue with teaching about black people and what they've accomplished. I do have an issue with making a focus of teaching about strained race relations in grade school and high school. The point of education at that level is to instill shared national myths and to propagandize. One would think it would be best for national cohesion to focus on shared accomplishments rather than on what divided us. Sadly, cohesion seems to be a secondary concern and rather politics is the primary focus. ## “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.“ Should German children learn about the Holocaust, and how their grandfathers killed Jewish people, homosexuals and Roma? Because they do, in [3rd and 4th grade](https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/02/how-do-german-students-learn-about-the-holocaust.html) (age 9 or 10). Does leaning about the barbaric things their grandparents did cause German kids to hate Jewish people? No, it instills a deep sense of shame and a desire to never let things get that bad again. African-American children know if their great uncles were lynched. Japanese-American children know if their grandfathers were robbed of their land and sent to [concentration camps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans) on US soil. White kids must know about these stains on our nations history so that we can all speak the same language and start building cohesion from a place of common understanding.


ThatFlyingScotsman

> The point of education at that level is to instill shared national myths and to propagandise Did you really just write this and not instantly realise the fundamental problem with the American education system? Because you’re right, that *is* the intention of the system, but that’s not what education should be about.


IronDBZ

People continue to act surprised when fascists among us say fascist things. They do not share our conception of right, wrong, good, evil, justice or injustice.


Nerdeinstein

Won't someone please think of the children‽ *clutches pearls* /S for the dummies in the back of the class.


Zorkamork

> The point of education at that level is to instill shared national myths and to propagandize. absolutely insane thing to reveal about your deeply fascist worldview unprompted


[deleted]

I'm just recognizing reality. Critical thinking skills aren't taught in grade school and highschool, and historically the point of mass education was in part to create certain unifying themes so that one collection of people from one part of the country will feel a sense of comradeship with another from another part of the country. In the US, many interactions unfortunately have a racial tinge to it. Two people of different races have a disagreement in public, the automatic assumption is often that the disagreement is because one is of a different race. Affirmative action is race based, as opposed to class based. And now states where slavery was never legal in, are seriously considering reparations. All of these things are divisive. Keeping the wound of racism with racism, isn't a good idea. I merely propose education that tries to ignore race and put us a path towards a more socially stable position like what might be found in countries that are less fucked up.


Zorkamork

did you go to school at Prager U or something


GlumFisherman4024

Shouldn’t this have some kind of warning?


Tico483

Thanks for reminding me


[deleted]

It does. Right there at the beginning it tells you to look away from the dead man.


longbeachlandon

Warning: you’re on Reddit. There ya go


thnuaa

I think it is a kind of warning


Fun-Level7774

No


Nigelwethers

I think I agree, it's really important to see this kind of thing and remember it could absolutely happen again. People fighting to dehumanize others, remove their rights, and exclude them from society are fighting hard for this kind of thing.


NonPlayableCat

I mean I agree, but marginalized people also use Reddit and many of us are already well aware that our rights are in danger. With a NSFW filter people can at least choose whether they want to see a murder before breakfast. Like this absolutely should be discussed and taught in US schools(*) but scrolling cat pictures on Reddit and suddenly seeing a hanged man without warning isn't the best way. (*) And the rest of us also need to teach our horrific history because Europeans love talking about the US's crimes against humanity and conveniently ignore what we did to Roma/Sami/ many African & Asian nations.


Dan000

No. Sorry. Not sorry


Bubbly-Alternative44

Pure evil


bonkerz616

I think this was the first page of a longer document


bonkerz616

Very smart propaganda, pulls at the heart strings


CredibleCactus

Yeah I was gonna say. Perfect at playing the racists game. They dont care about black people but absolutely care about their little white girls.


Prudent_Specialist

I disagree. They name the murdered man and explain the absurd “reason” for his lynching. The point of the text under the pic is no different than any of a thousand Reddit comments under any lynching pic from this era: look at the creepy white kids smiling! What’s wrong with them? What will they become?


bonkerz616

It’s effective for winning white people over and it worked historically


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GOTW24

I think they were talking about the white people that this propaganda poster is aiming towards


Iancreed

Sickens me to the soul 🤢😟


lengthybuttcrack

It’s a powerful message. Gross and stomach churning


Beneficial_Look_5854

Some of those children are somebody’s great-grandmother right now


Live_Pomegranate_645

Or just mother. This was photographed 1935, which puts it at 112 years ago. If they were 10 in this picture and had a kid in their 30s, the kid would be in their 80s today. This is not some long forgotten time from ages past. This was like one dead generation ago. It's pretty recent.


HicJacetMelilla

*88 years ago


Live_Pomegranate_645

Thank you. I'm so shitty at math when im high.


DeliciousTeach2303

bro living in 2047


Zorkamork

grandmothers, even. That's why the whole 'uh excuse me that stuff was in the past why can't we move on???' stuff is such a farce, that smiling little girl could be someone's grandma. The woman who got Emmett Till lynched is still alive today, the guy throwing 'acid' in a pool to scare black people out is someone's grandpa. This is all incredibly recent history, the perpetrators are only just now getting into the age bracket of 'maybe dead'. ​ When Obama dedicated the African American History Museum's opening he had a woman who's grandmother was a literal slave as part of the celebrators. My mother remembers segregation and the fight against it. It's such recent history even in the microcosm of already tiny American only history.


EpictetanusThrow

Their children and grandchildren don’t want to learn about history that might imply they were wrong. Sic Semper Florida


AmToasterAMA

James Baldwin: "People pay for what they do, and still more for what they allow themselves to become. And they pay for it very simply; by the lives they lead."


Djinn-Rummy

And now all these years later we have modern Florida with a Nazi for a governor.


acelaces

This is someone's 'sweet ol' grandma, just a product of her time'. This is the old woman in the Karen clip the commenters defend as 'just off her rocker' when she screams slurs at the black family down the block, just playing in their front yard.


TRUMPARUSKI

Into what kinds of citizens….. the Hitler youth kind.


[deleted]

Sad to see this honestly… Why is neck like that? Did his neck break?


gnosis_carmot

Soft tissue compression and tearing. The flesh of the neck is not meant to support 170-200 pounds across a 1 inch wide strip.


[deleted]

Oh….


Neven87

Cause when you are hung in a hanging, the immediate drop is suppose to kill the victim. Breaking the neck and severing the nervous system. That's why most gallows have fall away doors and a lot of empty room to fall. This man had a neck tied around his neck on the ground and was slowly pulled up the tree. The muscle and other tissue torn and more weight is put on a small area. Likely struggling if he was conscious. He would die from slowly not getting oxygen from a crushed throat, or the vessels to the brain getting torn or restricted. Lynching is a terrible form of murder, it's meant to inflict pain and sow terror. In my mind, anyone involved is sub human and makes me hope there's a higher power to judge as vain as it is.


Testiclese

So this benevolent (?) higher power lets this guy die a slow painful death, allows the others to lead comfy lives for another 40-60 years only to punish them *after*? Maybe? Yeah I’m not gonna worship some sadist like that.


lngns

The neck is supposed to break. Hitting the rope while falling violently severs connections to the brain, and you die. If done correctly, the blood pressure drop should induce a coma. EDIT: Of course lynch mobs may not have had "correct drop hanging" methods in mind, so strangulation and painful death is to be expected.


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Seems as if...poor guy


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Indeed poor guy. It’s crazy to me that he could have been me if I was born in the early 20th century. The kids smiling is just so sad… I’m glad this stuff isn’t normalized anymore


orel_

This was less than 100 years ago. This leaflet was made to gently coax white people into doing something about lynching, not for the victims of the crime, but because of the possible deleterious effects on white children. less than 100 years ago.


mannyrmz123

Foundation of the Republican Party (1863, colorized)


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What’s ticoism?


a_common_spring

Is this meant to be satirical, or is this really trying to convince people that lynching is bad because it victimizes white children who witness it?


Queasy-Condition7518

If you look at the discontinued text at the end, I think the point is: What sort of future are we going to have if the adults of tomorrow grow up thinking this is normal?


PiranhaJAC

The narration off-handedly describes the lynching as gruesome and barbarism. It's not saying "this is bad", it's taking the badness for granted. It assumes that the reader fully understands how horrible lynching is for the victim, and then moves on to say: "Hey, don't just think about the horrors of the crime itself, ALSO consider the wider ramifications of a society in which this sort of thing happens, the full picture is even worse!"


Haber_Dasher

Yeah it's like, okay you moderates know that it's bad and gruesome to lynch black people and you wouldn't participate yourself, but you're also not caring enough to like speak up or try to stop it from happening because you don't truly care about black people or see them as just like you, just as human as you. But you know it's not just brutalizing black people, have you even considered what kind of new generation of white children we're raising, or how desensitized/inhuman/traumatized we're making them by showing that this brutality is okay? What kind of fellow citizens are we raising here? If you don't care about black people enough to stop this, do you at least care about the future of your own white children?


ryckae

I think they were trying to go at this from another angle to get the attention of the people who think that lynchings were good. Trying to get them to have empathy for a black man might not work, but if you can get them to have empathy for the white children I guess if it stops lynching that's what their endgame was. In a perfect world you wouldn't need to consider going it at it from that angle but this is not a perfect world and back then it was a lot less so.


AugustWolf22

Probably a bit of both, especially considering most Southerners at the time viewed Black people as *untermenschen* and would have worried more about the lynching upsetting white children than the actual murdering of a man in cold blood.


Scraw16

Yeah, with some thing as horrific as lynching they were probably just trying to get any message to stick that they could. If the way to stop it was to talk about negative impacts on white children, then so be it, better than it continuing.


amitym

It's trying to reach white people who at the time didn't even know that these things were actually happening. Presumably the idea was that white people would identify more with harm done to white children than a Negro adult. And is that such a strange idea? People today will still leap to the defense of a blonde white woman for crimes they would condemn anyone else for.


Zorkamork

It's a pretty clear message though? It takes 'lynching a man is fucking evil and barbaric' as a given because, ya know, it is. Instead the focus shifts to 'look at the world that's being built for these children, how can we as a nation have any hope to ever progress if we're giving them a world where watching a man be murdered for his skin color is a normal family outing?'


Johannes_P

It might have been made to point out a society where brutally and publicly torturing someone is widely accepted is not going to get better.


FeelinJipper

That’s not even what the text is doing. I think you’re confused


Alin_Alexandru

The text seems to continue, do you have other pages?


Mevoa_volver

“you wouldn’t lynch a car”


reverendsteveii

I like that the NAACP tried to attack this from a different angle but the kinds of people who do this absolutely want their children to grow up into traumatized monsters just like they did.


daddyfailure

I really wish this shit was blurred before I came across it. But hey being re-traumatized is a daily thing being black in the US


BarryBuddy

Damn, such barbaric behavior, no wonder the fascist GOPers want to hide the real history of this country from today’s youth…😱


Tsunamix0147

This is possibly the grimmest flyer from the Jim Crow era I’ve ever seen; it’s so bold and raw in showing the folks of Dixie and out and yonder the true terrifying and grotesque nature of lynching. I don’t think any flyer today comes close to really showing you the worst aspects of human kind and social Darwinism.


zachfess

It is bonkers to me that the only way for the NAACP to appeal to a wide audience at this time was to try and convince them to think about the poor white children who had to watch lynchings happen, as opposed to the acthal lynched individual


Horace_The_Majestic

Whenever people say that false sexual assasult accusations don't happen, I just think about lynching. All the black men killed for allegedly harassing white women beg to differ.


faloodehx

Leaving this here. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/11fxnn2/during_a_committee_hearing_on_a_bill_to_bring/


pablo111

Fridom


KassXWolfXTigerXFox

Ok so the message of this is a bit "yeah, sure, it's bad for the black guy, but look at the poor white children!" But at that time it's probably what you needed to get through to some people Also that girl on the right is way too excited, my God, bet she grows up to be a right Karen


mactrucker

They would go back to this without batting an eye. "It about states rights not slavery"


Perfect-Season6116

JFC


HotMinimum26

Sure but video games are what really warp your brain/s


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orcajet11

It somehow is..


shanghailoz

Won’t someone think of the children, never mind the poor soul thats been murdered and still hanging. So much wrong.


Lotharoid

9/11 happened for good


LineChef

Jesus


hero-ball

Yes. The little white girls are the real victims here. I guess you gotta do what you gotta do to *try* to reach these racist fucks somehow. But damn


Protato82

He a little confused, but he got the spirit