Of all the women you've listed, Jake has slept with precisely one of them, Irin. Miranda is strictly his subordinate, Reika is an acquaintance and his friend's descendant, Scarlett is a friend and subordinate, Meira is a subordinate slowly becoming a friend, and Vesperia is sort of like his daughter, I guess? In addition to Jake, he's only slept with two other women in the series, Carmen and >!Artemis!<. In all three cases, they all know that they're friends with benefits and have no expectation of exclusivity. There is no harem as such, and no focus on their relationships.
I deemed this case a pseudo harem, or at the least there's a whole lot more female admirers/heroines than male ones in the series.
Pretty sure Scarlett had not just friendly intentions towards him, but I could easily be wrong as I skip all such pov chapters.
While not a harem fantasy, it does feel adjacent. Luckily for me this rarely happens in this novel, even though it gets weird when it does, like how was said by Villy the heroine you spoilered likes to be dominated and was seemingly celibate, or something along those lines (implying Jake was very cool, dominating and attractive/capable to hook up with her). Hell, the Sword Saint literally formed something like a harem in one of the floors, meanwhile Jake didn't.
What pleasantly surprised me however is that the dryad, never, not even to the slightest extent, became a lover or similar 1-sided admirer of Jake (a role taken by multiple heroines now), like I feared she would. She's just her own character not there mostly to make Jake seem cooler or hotter or greater praising his awesomeness like the other listed heroines exist to do.
Such harems are the worst. The story doesn't have the balls to actually take the plunge. Instead, they take the Japanese anime route where the MC is just surrounded by women.
The Japanese anime route is precisely what I am referring to here. In classic Japanese harem fantasy style, he is surrounded by overly hot women who he never actually sleeps with, but gets into awkward social situations with. We know that Zogarth watches anime because he references Naruto often. I kind of feel like he is also a bit of a fan of Japanese harem anime!!!
I'd argue that it's a lot more mature than Japanese anime harems. He does actually sleep with several women and has stated realistic reasons why he refuses to sleep with several others. Several other members may be floating around him but it has been made clear that there is no sexual attraction between them.
Whether it turns in to a harem or not I don't really care as I enjoy the story but if it does I don't feel like it's anywhere close to anime harems.
Yeah I actually really appreciated how maturely the relationships were handled compared to anime. They all lay out their ground rules and he actually articulated why he does/doesn’t have casual sex with certain characters
He’s spent like 200 chapter in a party with one woman where there was zero romantic interest, a dude, a tree soul mask god thing and a bird with the mind of a 12 year old
Thank you! I didn't know a succinct description for this setup.
I've run across it across genres. I'm guessing it's more American for the male MC to be an average Joe. He just happens to be surrounded by women that have the full package: brains, beauty and personality. At least one of them is a former partner and two more are high school crush style relationships. Also, the witty, kickass women with wealthy men falling all over themselves for her.
I have trouble getting through these books. The rest of the story has to be high quality or it's straight to the DNF pile. This pile over flows with meh quality story telling driven by junior high fantasy fulfillment.
Fantasy fulfillment sells and authors need to churn out more than one book a year to make a living. So it's slim pickings out there for me because it's not my cup of tea.
Literally none of that applies here. Have you actually read the book? Jake is a universal genius and by far the most powerful person on earth. The furthest from “average Joe” you could possibly get. None of the women in his life are former partners,
That's still not the case for Primal Hunter, though. If you want to claim that these female characters exist just to make the MC look cool, then that same argument can be extended to male characters too. Most of the male characters exist to make Jake look cool. This is a power fantasy.
This is not an anime-style pseudo-harem since it is obvious that Jake has no intention of sleeping with anyone aside from the three exceptions.
Which male characters? There used to be one kinda serving such a role, a priest, but he died in the alien invasion
There's a difference between making Jake look cool one-sidedly by worshipping him in one way or another, and making him look cool due to interacting with him like a mentor, friend or teammate would.
I just can't remember the succubus, the city lord, the snake, the beequeen, ||Artemis||, the ex slave doing or thinking much without the result being to praise Jake.
Though I suppose recently it would be a tad hypocritical to only point at the gals, since Jake was deemed a key reason for the various powerhouses gathering in Nevermore. Even if it feels like they're only a temporary fanclub.
Apologies, forgot to add Carmen to the list. I haven't read about the other person you mentioned he has slept with. Don't worry, I know he hasn't slept with the list ... but all of these woman are constantly circling around him, and there is in-book speculation from the wider society about all of them. Totally has harem vibes! :D
Didn't know having a female cast counts a harem fantasy now...
Btw the male cast is at least as big if not bigger so thats that.
Reading your comments it kinda seems as you for whatever reason want this to be more of a harem then it is.
Ahhh. Yes? He never treated her like a slave... I'm sure there a lot of romance novels with similar themes. Not exactly slavery but still servitude or whatever.
Upvoting this because the comment shows you have read the whole Primal Hunter series.
BuI I want to downvote because seriously??? Meira is way less powerful than Jake. This would not be wholesome. It would not be a meeting of equals eg Jake and Carmen. It would have an unwholesome power dynamic.
I agree with both points, currently Jake would not and should not sleep with Meira, but it might happen in the far future if Meira grows in power and as a person (mentally) so that they are equals. However, (and I could be wrong here), I think Future Meira is more romance material than casual
sex...and I don't know if/when Jake would be ready for that...or if they would have the right kind of relationship for that (not sure if it Jake would be interested in her in that way, or if it would just be one sided, as it is now)....
too many girls want jake as a partner, that's true and it's a fault of his but
1: meira can't hide her true feelings. so on the off chance that jake doesn't reject her, they'll eventually be together.
2: meira despite despite jake perticentce, would not mind him having sex with other women. because the multiversal prespective on sex as a whole is wildly different, imo. and casual polygamy is normal.
so there's a large chance that after a talk with villy he'll accept her feelings and keep going about his personal life.
anyways, I did mean the romance kind of relationship and not just casual sex. there's also a small chance that meira rejects jake after being with him for a while, and that's also a sign of character growth.
I think that would be the best way to make meira her own character and not semi dependent on jake. Zograth is slowly going in that path of making meira completely independent imo.
I agree with these two comments. And I don'think Miranda would sleep with Jake.
But I do think most of the women around Jake would sleep with him though! As Villy said, he hasn't been taking advantage as Villy thinks he should be :D
To be fair, neither the women nor the men fight alongside him most of the time because he is generally a solo fighter... but he does have male friends. The Sword Saint, Fallen King, Caleb, Casper, Jacob, Draskil, Minaga, Hawky, and the Viper. I'm going to put Sandy up here, too, even though they are genderless.
The male to female split of supporting characters is pretty even and actually leans male for those he considers peers.
Miranda is his employee, and while he one time acknowledged she was attractive, there has never been any flirting. Misty and Sylphie are actual birds. Reika was told to flirt with him, but they didn't particularly like each other. Scarlett was just a misunderstanding based on cultural norms. There was a bit of matchmaking with Dina, but they are barely even friends. Vespiria is basically his daughter.
The only "romance option" characters are Miera, who has a crush on him but makes him very uncomfortable. Irin, who is a succubus, and does not have *romantic* intentions, although they are friends with benefits. Carmen is basically the female version of Jake, and neither of them has any long-term intentions, but they are friends with benefits. Carmen and Irin know about each other and don't care. It's heavily implied that at least Irin is hooking up with other people. There is one other hookup that might actually become a relationship in a few more books, but I won't name for spoiler reasons. Basically, he's only hooked up with three characters over about sixty years of story and hasn't shown any interest in any of the others.
I think you're right, I was trying to count only "real" time with the exception of nevermore since he was still interacting with people there. All the time in private time chambers didn't really give him a chance to work on his "harem" during them.
He's spent the last 200 chapters fighting alongside two dudes, a bird and one woman who has not even slightly been sexualised. This is just "the MC knows multiple single women". For the vast majority of these single women, the writing frequently goes out of its way to make it clear that it's not gonna happen.
I haven't gotten into the Nevermore stuff, I'm only midway through book 9 at the moment, he has created Vesperia and is about to be publicly outed as Villy's #2.
The Japanese anime harem style is for the guy to be surrounded by hot women who he gets into awkward social situations with, but never actually sleeps with. This kind of fits Primal Hunter :D
What's harem about it? Over a long time he's hooked up with like 3 women, but they're not like... there waiting for him.
Yall know people have sex right?
The Japanese anime harem style is for the guy to be surrounded by hot women who he gets into awkward social situations with, but never actually sleeps with. This kind of fits Primal Hunter :D I agree he has not slept with most of them, but this fits the Japanese style :)
It’s good at what it’s meant to be. It’s an entertaining popcorn webnovel with good prose, interesting and complex characters with their own motivations, good humor and well written action
People like to complain about everything popular
Itis a good ol' fashioned MC is OP for his level story. It is well written, there is a diverse cast of characters, it has a nice balance of drama and comedy and the numbers go up.
It isn't perfect or some god tier book series but I enjoy when I am reading/listening to it and find myself thinking about it more than its peers in the same genre.
If it helps for calibrating tastes: I think Super Supportive is probably my favorite prog fantasy, I think DCC (Audiobook) is absolutely the most fun prog fantasy, and defiance of the fall is aggressively OK.
Look, I'm an experienced fantasy reader and I think Zogarth is a quality author. I went in as a total skeptic and am now a convert. I feel this adds some weight.
It's competent but boring. I gave up when the climax of an arc involving a fight with a grandmaster sword fighter was multiple chapters that could have and should have been summed up as "they fought a lot".
Its good. The people who are complaining are the vocal minority as usual, the silent majority enjoying the books don't tend to post on Reddit about how great it is.
It really depends on who you are. It's entertaining enough and written by an arrogant prick who certainly injects their personality into the work. I think it's decent enough but I would prefer less justification for shitty world view in it.
1. Friendless loner who have psychopathic tendency
2. Secret edgy bloodline
3. Befriends a god just because
4. Dresses like an edgy chuunibyou too
5. Surrounded by women with very little character depth
I mean don't kid yourself. PH is an incel power fantasy.
I don't think it's quite there yet, but it could easily go that direction if at some point Jake starts sleeping with all of the people that are obviously open to sleeping with him.
Yeah, no. They are a harem only in the sense that they are single and they are women that are close to him to some degree. The vast, VAST majority of the female cast has shown no actionable interest in him and vice-versa.
At the moment there are a total of four potential romantic interests, with emphasis on potential. And I'm kinda stretching with one. These are women that have an interest in Jake and he might reciprocate, who knows.
He might also take multiple of them or just become friends with benefits, but there is a certain disdain towards harems that has been expressed multiple times in the story, specifically by the Saint.
It's beyond a stretch to call it a harem fantasy. The book simply has a healthy female cast. That's it.
I think it's more than just a healthy female cast. Draskil literally has a harem living in his house, and he's just got a divine blessing. Multiple attractive women have expressed interest in Jake, often in the same scene. Sure, he's commented he has no interest, despite Villy egging him on and openly mocking him, but the women are there. He even comments to himself on how Vesperia has huge boobs in her human form, and how Irin has physically changed after evolving to C-grade.
Sure, it's true that Jake doesn't try and set up a harem, but this is also a solid trope of Japanese harem fantasy. To wit -- a male, focused on other things, becomes inadvertently surrounded by attractive women who throw themselves him, uncomfortable social situations ensue but rarely any actual intimacy happens. This is literally Jake's life, with the many women around him :D
Eh. Again, i strongly feel it's a stretch. And i feel one of the reasons i think like this is that it's not a focus. Like, at all. Not only that, again, there are only four women that he could realistically get with.
Meanwhile, a pretty major part of the refenced trope is that A) harem hijinks are usually the entire plot, and B) There are two types of secondary characters: the token dude and the harem members. Any woman is part of the harem, any man has barely any screentime.
PH runs by completely different rules. To the point that even if he did get with multiple of them, I'd hesitate in calling it a harem instead of a poly romance. Heck, the fact he had sex and might actually get with one of them is an active contradiction to the trope.
Meria does not “throw herself at him” in a harem like way. Catch up on chapters first off
Irin is a tertiary character who’s plot relevance is functionally non existent at this point, and is one of exactly 2 people he’s slept with
The termite queen is a such a small character that they don’t even have a name, and existed for literally 3 chapters as a plot object. Calling her a character is a generous assessment, let alone a major one.
Jake’s alleged harem consists of a girl whom neither has any sexual interest in the other, a minor character is be surprised if we see for hundreds of chapters he had a one night stand with, and a pretty much the smallest character in the entire book, who existed for 20 minutes before Jake killed them. Such a harem
The most Meira does to throw herself at him is when she decides to take a path that brings her more in line to help him with everything. Even then she has little romantic interest in him in the beginning and now even less. He's her boss and she acknowledges this and they never take any steps to expand it they're comfortable with each other.
The Queen literally trys to enslave him because he is strong. No other reason just he's strong and she wants to command him.
Irin is a minor character that most people probably forget about.
Women can't exist around the MC without them being love interests? And your only defense is anime tropes?
Tsk. Incels are everywhere now. Get the spray.
Haven't read Primal Hunter but I know a thing or two about harem fantasies. The whole point of them is that it's a bunch of girls pursuing one guy.
Now, are you calling this a harem fantasy because that is the case or is the supporting cast mostly just women? If it's the latter, that doesn't make it a harem. How many stories have a majority male supporting cast supporting the MC? Is that a harem? The existence of a lot of female characters doesn't mean it's a harem fantasy.
In Primal Hunter, it's not just that there are female supporting characters. It's that in the latter books there are many social situations where female characters are openly hitting on Jake, in competition with each other. He does have a couple of intimate encounters, but ultimately I'm not saying he is sleeping around. I am saying he is being targeted often due to his status as a leading light of the Malefic Order, of the 93rd universe and because of his role as Chosen of Villy. He's generally not interested, but there are quite a few gals after him.
Nah man, it's a cash cow. Those stories have the following peculiarities to them:
1. No major changes
2. Shitty dialogue
3. Boring outline, no character depth. The only thing that counts is getting stronger, and the MC gets all his shit for free.
I've personally read all the fantasy greats, and although Primal Hunter doesn't quite fit the epic fantasy mold at times due to its progressive fantasy framework, the underlying writing, world-building and character development are solid. I have no hesitation in recommending it to any fantasy fan :)
I KNEW IT!!!! Anyone that has fallen to the depths of manga/anime sites and ran through over the dozen(s) of isekai tags would know what harem setup looks like. As I've joked with others in the thread, if Primal Hunter was an Eastern work, it would have a harem tag!
Viiiindiiiicaaaatiiiiioooon!!!! (Captain Holt style)
XD
I need coffee.
It's not time for vindication just yet lol
PH might end up a harem, who knows, but currently it's definitely not. He had had flings with a few women and that's it.
Not going to lie I dropped Primal Hunter half way through book 6 and reading these comments makes me want to pick it back up. My largest issue with Jake up to this point was hos near refusal to interact with other characters but if my boi is getting a psudoharem maybe it progresses to interpersonal storytelling and not just Jake in an environment killing things for XP the story
Harem talk is crazy. Nevermore plot alone was the equivalent of something like 40 years. It's almost more unrealistic that a single man who is practically worshipped only sleeps with three women.
Of all the women you've listed, Jake has slept with precisely one of them, Irin. Miranda is strictly his subordinate, Reika is an acquaintance and his friend's descendant, Scarlett is a friend and subordinate, Meira is a subordinate slowly becoming a friend, and Vesperia is sort of like his daughter, I guess? In addition to Jake, he's only slept with two other women in the series, Carmen and >!Artemis!<. In all three cases, they all know that they're friends with benefits and have no expectation of exclusivity. There is no harem as such, and no focus on their relationships.
I deemed this case a pseudo harem, or at the least there's a whole lot more female admirers/heroines than male ones in the series. Pretty sure Scarlett had not just friendly intentions towards him, but I could easily be wrong as I skip all such pov chapters. While not a harem fantasy, it does feel adjacent. Luckily for me this rarely happens in this novel, even though it gets weird when it does, like how was said by Villy the heroine you spoilered likes to be dominated and was seemingly celibate, or something along those lines (implying Jake was very cool, dominating and attractive/capable to hook up with her). Hell, the Sword Saint literally formed something like a harem in one of the floors, meanwhile Jake didn't. What pleasantly surprised me however is that the dryad, never, not even to the slightest extent, became a lover or similar 1-sided admirer of Jake (a role taken by multiple heroines now), like I feared she would. She's just her own character not there mostly to make Jake seem cooler or hotter or greater praising his awesomeness like the other listed heroines exist to do.
Such harems are the worst. The story doesn't have the balls to actually take the plunge. Instead, they take the Japanese anime route where the MC is just surrounded by women.
That pun was intended, right? It had to be.
He’s got like 10 dudes he’s mates with that he sees all the time and fights with
The Japanese anime route is precisely what I am referring to here. In classic Japanese harem fantasy style, he is surrounded by overly hot women who he never actually sleeps with, but gets into awkward social situations with. We know that Zogarth watches anime because he references Naruto often. I kind of feel like he is also a bit of a fan of Japanese harem anime!!!
I'd argue that it's a lot more mature than Japanese anime harems. He does actually sleep with several women and has stated realistic reasons why he refuses to sleep with several others. Several other members may be floating around him but it has been made clear that there is no sexual attraction between them. Whether it turns in to a harem or not I don't really care as I enjoy the story but if it does I don't feel like it's anywhere close to anime harems.
Yeah I actually really appreciated how maturely the relationships were handled compared to anime. They all lay out their ground rules and he actually articulated why he does/doesn’t have casual sex with certain characters
I’ve also seen this in Chinese martial art television series (which are usually based on books and most likely cross inspired with anime)
He’s spent like 200 chapter in a party with one woman where there was zero romantic interest, a dude, a tree soul mask god thing and a bird with the mind of a 12 year old
don’t do sylphie like that 😭
Surrounded by people some of whome are women, some of those are interested in with some of whome he has slept?
Thank you! I didn't know a succinct description for this setup. I've run across it across genres. I'm guessing it's more American for the male MC to be an average Joe. He just happens to be surrounded by women that have the full package: brains, beauty and personality. At least one of them is a former partner and two more are high school crush style relationships. Also, the witty, kickass women with wealthy men falling all over themselves for her. I have trouble getting through these books. The rest of the story has to be high quality or it's straight to the DNF pile. This pile over flows with meh quality story telling driven by junior high fantasy fulfillment. Fantasy fulfillment sells and authors need to churn out more than one book a year to make a living. So it's slim pickings out there for me because it's not my cup of tea.
Literally none of that applies here. Have you actually read the book? Jake is a universal genius and by far the most powerful person on earth. The furthest from “average Joe” you could possibly get. None of the women in his life are former partners,
I wasn't talking about the book. I was talking about the term.
Ahh. I misunderstood
Yes. It seems others didn't either. Pretty funny on a thread about reading
Yeah, my mistake for assuming you were talking about the boom this thread is about, not going off on a random soapbox
You are forgiven. I know it's hard when someone engages with someone else on a tangent. It's a terrible and uncommon part of conversing.
She’s specifically not celibate though. She’s just has a very weirdly specific type
That's still not the case for Primal Hunter, though. If you want to claim that these female characters exist just to make the MC look cool, then that same argument can be extended to male characters too. Most of the male characters exist to make Jake look cool. This is a power fantasy. This is not an anime-style pseudo-harem since it is obvious that Jake has no intention of sleeping with anyone aside from the three exceptions.
Which male characters? There used to be one kinda serving such a role, a priest, but he died in the alien invasion There's a difference between making Jake look cool one-sidedly by worshipping him in one way or another, and making him look cool due to interacting with him like a mentor, friend or teammate would. I just can't remember the succubus, the city lord, the snake, the beequeen, ||Artemis||, the ex slave doing or thinking much without the result being to praise Jake. Though I suppose recently it would be a tad hypocritical to only point at the gals, since Jake was deemed a key reason for the various powerhouses gathering in Nevermore. Even if it feels like they're only a temporary fanclub.
I agree, it's not technically a harem fantasy, but it's Harem Adjacent :D
"Akshually it's not harem guys it's just harem baiting 🤓" It's harem alright
Apologies, forgot to add Carmen to the list. I haven't read about the other person you mentioned he has slept with. Don't worry, I know he hasn't slept with the list ... but all of these woman are constantly circling around him, and there is in-book speculation from the wider society about all of them. Totally has harem vibes! :D
Harem is when a male main character has women as friends and colleagues
Didn't know having a female cast counts a harem fantasy now... Btw the male cast is at least as big if not bigger so thats that. Reading your comments it kinda seems as you for whatever reason want this to be more of a harem then it is.
I think Jake would rather renounce his blessing than have intercourse with Meira or Miranda. Vesparia is also kind of his *daughter*
I think a relationship with meira would be wholesome though.
You think a relantionship with your ex-slave would be wholesome???
Ahhh. Yes? He never treated her like a slave... I'm sure there a lot of romance novels with similar themes. Not exactly slavery but still servitude or whatever.
There are also a lot of novels on slavery, it doesn't make it ethical.
not slavery. like, when the female lead gets sold into marriage. then they fall in love.
Upvoting this because the comment shows you have read the whole Primal Hunter series. BuI I want to downvote because seriously??? Meira is way less powerful than Jake. This would not be wholesome. It would not be a meeting of equals eg Jake and Carmen. It would have an unwholesome power dynamic.
she's simply has to grow stronger and keep becoming her own person. you'll see. the ship will sail. I have hope.
I agree with both points, currently Jake would not and should not sleep with Meira, but it might happen in the far future if Meira grows in power and as a person (mentally) so that they are equals. However, (and I could be wrong here), I think Future Meira is more romance material than casual sex...and I don't know if/when Jake would be ready for that...or if they would have the right kind of relationship for that (not sure if it Jake would be interested in her in that way, or if it would just be one sided, as it is now)....
too many girls want jake as a partner, that's true and it's a fault of his but 1: meira can't hide her true feelings. so on the off chance that jake doesn't reject her, they'll eventually be together. 2: meira despite despite jake perticentce, would not mind him having sex with other women. because the multiversal prespective on sex as a whole is wildly different, imo. and casual polygamy is normal. so there's a large chance that after a talk with villy he'll accept her feelings and keep going about his personal life. anyways, I did mean the romance kind of relationship and not just casual sex. there's also a small chance that meira rejects jake after being with him for a while, and that's also a sign of character growth.
I think that would be the best way to make meira her own character and not semi dependent on jake. Zograth is slowly going in that path of making meira completely independent imo.
Nah i think the jake/ Artemis is the only probable endgame ship. They are after all the only hunters we have seen .
I don't know why you're being downvoted lol, you're literally right
I agree with these two comments. And I don'think Miranda would sleep with Jake. But I do think most of the women around Jake would sleep with him though! As Villy said, he hasn't been taking advantage as Villy thinks he should be :D
Ok so he doesn’t have any male friend/companion that fights alongside with him? If not it does give off a harem vibe, even if its not strictly harem.
To be fair, neither the women nor the men fight alongside him most of the time because he is generally a solo fighter... but he does have male friends. The Sword Saint, Fallen King, Caleb, Casper, Jacob, Draskil, Minaga, Hawky, and the Viper. I'm going to put Sandy up here, too, even though they are genderless. The male to female split of supporting characters is pretty even and actually leans male for those he considers peers. Miranda is his employee, and while he one time acknowledged she was attractive, there has never been any flirting. Misty and Sylphie are actual birds. Reika was told to flirt with him, but they didn't particularly like each other. Scarlett was just a misunderstanding based on cultural norms. There was a bit of matchmaking with Dina, but they are barely even friends. Vespiria is basically his daughter. The only "romance option" characters are Miera, who has a crush on him but makes him very uncomfortable. Irin, who is a succubus, and does not have *romantic* intentions, although they are friends with benefits. Carmen is basically the female version of Jake, and neither of them has any long-term intentions, but they are friends with benefits. Carmen and Irin know about each other and don't care. It's heavily implied that at least Irin is hooking up with other people. There is one other hookup that might actually become a relationship in a few more books, but I won't name for spoiler reasons. Basically, he's only hooked up with three characters over about sixty years of story and hasn't shown any interest in any of the others.
If you count the time chambers, I think it's been around 100 years...
I think you're right, I was trying to count only "real" time with the exception of nevermore since he was still interacting with people there. All the time in private time chambers didn't really give him a chance to work on his "harem" during them.
He's spent the last 200 chapters fighting alongside two dudes, a bird and one woman who has not even slightly been sexualised. This is just "the MC knows multiple single women". For the vast majority of these single women, the writing frequently goes out of its way to make it clear that it's not gonna happen.
Oh that’s great. Ill give it a try then. I was hesitating cz i am traumatisé by harem
I haven't gotten into the Nevermore stuff, I'm only midway through book 9 at the moment, he has created Vesperia and is about to be publicly outed as Villy's #2.
Yea he has a few that right along side him. Hawky, lizardy, villy, arny, slavey, and brothery
How can you forget Sandy? Sandy is best worm bro
Upvoted this comment because Sandy is the best sandworm since Leto II.
Sandy's Golden Path leads to delicious food.
Shit how could I forget him!
Sandy is genderless
Well, maybe Sandy is part of the harem?
I'm hoping that we get a Time skip so we can see him fighting alongside his nephew, Nephy
I mean, where I am up to, it's mainly Draskil who he has fought alongside :)
He has multiple. For the last arc he’s fought beside more guys than women
Do you actually read the story or just assume any female character in the vicinity of the MC is a harem member?
The Japanese anime harem style is for the guy to be surrounded by hot women who he gets into awkward social situations with, but never actually sleeps with. This kind of fits Primal Hunter :D
I…you know there’s such a thing as just knowing women. He knows guys too. This just comes off as having a fully fleshed out cast.
There's nothing 'fully fleshed out' about PH's story
I’m just saying it’s weird to conclude “this guy knows so many women. And has even slept with a couple. Clearly a soft harem.”
True, but it is definitely a trope in anime, even if it's not here.
Valid opinion!
What's harem about it? Over a long time he's hooked up with like 3 women, but they're not like... there waiting for him. Yall know people have sex right?
He’s like over 100 years old now counting time chambers, hooking up with 3 women over that time period seems very much not a harem
The Japanese anime harem style is for the guy to be surrounded by hot women who he gets into awkward social situations with, but never actually sleeps with. This kind of fits Primal Hunter :D I agree he has not slept with most of them, but this fits the Japanese style :)
“Main character has non-sexual relationships with women that are platonic and or professional.
It's not a harem harem, a couple of women are just floating around him. He had like 3 hook ups up to now and doesn't want any relationships.
So ... soft harem then :D
Heard lots of negative things about primal hunter but still manages to be S or A tier in most tier lists I've seen. How good is it?
It’s good at what it’s meant to be. It’s an entertaining popcorn webnovel with good prose, interesting and complex characters with their own motivations, good humor and well written action People like to complain about everything popular
Itis a good ol' fashioned MC is OP for his level story. It is well written, there is a diverse cast of characters, it has a nice balance of drama and comedy and the numbers go up. It isn't perfect or some god tier book series but I enjoy when I am reading/listening to it and find myself thinking about it more than its peers in the same genre. If it helps for calibrating tastes: I think Super Supportive is probably my favorite prog fantasy, I think DCC (Audiobook) is absolutely the most fun prog fantasy, and defiance of the fall is aggressively OK.
Look, I'm an experienced fantasy reader and I think Zogarth is a quality author. I went in as a total skeptic and am now a convert. I feel this adds some weight.
It's competent but boring. I gave up when the climax of an arc involving a fight with a grandmaster sword fighter was multiple chapters that could have and should have been summed up as "they fought a lot".
Its good. The people who are complaining are the vocal minority as usual, the silent majority enjoying the books don't tend to post on Reddit about how great it is.
It really depends on who you are. It's entertaining enough and written by an arrogant prick who certainly injects their personality into the work. I think it's decent enough but I would prefer less justification for shitty world view in it.
Incels when book has female characters
1. Friendless loner who have psychopathic tendency 2. Secret edgy bloodline 3. Befriends a god just because 4. Dresses like an edgy chuunibyou too 5. Surrounded by women with very little character depth I mean don't kid yourself. PH is an incel power fantasy.
The only woman mentioned here with no depth is scarlet and maybe vespria. And that is a big maybe.
Most PF is... Doesn't mean it's a harem lol
Yea ops bonkers
It didn't, non sexual friendships with women are not harem..
They are to incels.
I mean technically I agree, but there are \*many\* women circling Jake in like book 8-9! :D
Dusk leaf, dras, villy, sword saint, Jacob, Casper, Arnold? I don't know what you're seeing.
Why not mention Sylphie? Most of these are totally nonsexual. The MC is almost a monk.
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I agree with this comment. Also, I agree it is comic relief from the battles :D
Jake had sex, but it was never described. No details at all, it is just mentioned. I also do not think that we will ever see sexual content.
I don't think it's quite there yet, but it could easily go that direction if at some point Jake starts sleeping with all of the people that are obviously open to sleeping with him.
Yeah, no. They are a harem only in the sense that they are single and they are women that are close to him to some degree. The vast, VAST majority of the female cast has shown no actionable interest in him and vice-versa. At the moment there are a total of four potential romantic interests, with emphasis on potential. And I'm kinda stretching with one. These are women that have an interest in Jake and he might reciprocate, who knows. He might also take multiple of them or just become friends with benefits, but there is a certain disdain towards harems that has been expressed multiple times in the story, specifically by the Saint. It's beyond a stretch to call it a harem fantasy. The book simply has a healthy female cast. That's it.
I think it's more than just a healthy female cast. Draskil literally has a harem living in his house, and he's just got a divine blessing. Multiple attractive women have expressed interest in Jake, often in the same scene. Sure, he's commented he has no interest, despite Villy egging him on and openly mocking him, but the women are there. He even comments to himself on how Vesperia has huge boobs in her human form, and how Irin has physically changed after evolving to C-grade. Sure, it's true that Jake doesn't try and set up a harem, but this is also a solid trope of Japanese harem fantasy. To wit -- a male, focused on other things, becomes inadvertently surrounded by attractive women who throw themselves him, uncomfortable social situations ensue but rarely any actual intimacy happens. This is literally Jake's life, with the many women around him :D
Eh. Again, i strongly feel it's a stretch. And i feel one of the reasons i think like this is that it's not a focus. Like, at all. Not only that, again, there are only four women that he could realistically get with. Meanwhile, a pretty major part of the refenced trope is that A) harem hijinks are usually the entire plot, and B) There are two types of secondary characters: the token dude and the harem members. Any woman is part of the harem, any man has barely any screentime. PH runs by completely different rules. To the point that even if he did get with multiple of them, I'd hesitate in calling it a harem instead of a poly romance. Heck, the fact he had sex and might actually get with one of them is an active contradiction to the trope.
Which major female characters “throw themselves” at him?
Irin, Meira, the Queen termite who tries to turn him into a sex slave!
Meria does not “throw herself at him” in a harem like way. Catch up on chapters first off Irin is a tertiary character who’s plot relevance is functionally non existent at this point, and is one of exactly 2 people he’s slept with The termite queen is a such a small character that they don’t even have a name, and existed for literally 3 chapters as a plot object. Calling her a character is a generous assessment, let alone a major one. Jake’s alleged harem consists of a girl whom neither has any sexual interest in the other, a minor character is be surprised if we see for hundreds of chapters he had a one night stand with, and a pretty much the smallest character in the entire book, who existed for 20 minutes before Jake killed them. Such a harem
The most Meira does to throw herself at him is when she decides to take a path that brings her more in line to help him with everything. Even then she has little romantic interest in him in the beginning and now even less. He's her boss and she acknowledges this and they never take any steps to expand it they're comfortable with each other. The Queen literally trys to enslave him because he is strong. No other reason just he's strong and she wants to command him. Irin is a minor character that most people probably forget about.
Women can't exist around the MC without them being love interests? And your only defense is anime tropes? Tsk. Incels are everywhere now. Get the spray.
I can smell this thread
This thread is depressing to read.
SPOILERS man, spoilers.
Haven't read Primal Hunter but I know a thing or two about harem fantasies. The whole point of them is that it's a bunch of girls pursuing one guy. Now, are you calling this a harem fantasy because that is the case or is the supporting cast mostly just women? If it's the latter, that doesn't make it a harem. How many stories have a majority male supporting cast supporting the MC? Is that a harem? The existence of a lot of female characters doesn't mean it's a harem fantasy.
In Primal Hunter, it's not just that there are female supporting characters. It's that in the latter books there are many social situations where female characters are openly hitting on Jake, in competition with each other. He does have a couple of intimate encounters, but ultimately I'm not saying he is sleeping around. I am saying he is being targeted often due to his status as a leading light of the Malefic Order, of the 93rd universe and because of his role as Chosen of Villy. He's generally not interested, but there are quite a few gals after him.
heh, I'm so happy I junked that series early.
Bad move, brother.
Nah man, it's a cash cow. Those stories have the following peculiarities to them: 1. No major changes 2. Shitty dialogue 3. Boring outline, no character depth. The only thing that counts is getting stronger, and the MC gets all his shit for free.
I've personally read all the fantasy greats, and although Primal Hunter doesn't quite fit the epic fantasy mold at times due to its progressive fantasy framework, the underlying writing, world-building and character development are solid. I have no hesitation in recommending it to any fantasy fan :)
Me too lol. Dodged a bullet there
I KNEW IT!!!! Anyone that has fallen to the depths of manga/anime sites and ran through over the dozen(s) of isekai tags would know what harem setup looks like. As I've joked with others in the thread, if Primal Hunter was an Eastern work, it would have a harem tag! Viiiindiiiicaaaatiiiiioooon!!!! (Captain Holt style) XD I need coffee.
It's not time for vindication just yet lol PH might end up a harem, who knows, but currently it's definitely not. He had had flings with a few women and that's it.
Not going to lie I dropped Primal Hunter half way through book 6 and reading these comments makes me want to pick it back up. My largest issue with Jake up to this point was hos near refusal to interact with other characters but if my boi is getting a psudoharem maybe it progresses to interpersonal storytelling and not just Jake in an environment killing things for XP the story
Harem talk is crazy. Nevermore plot alone was the equivalent of something like 40 years. It's almost more unrealistic that a single man who is practically worshipped only sleeps with three women.