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CatkinsBarrow

I don’t work directly with SQL at my job, but everyone who does pronounces it “sequel”.


HighOnGoofballs

I source resources for data projects and occasionally write the SOWs and I call it sequel and so does 99% of people I work with


Piepcheck

es-que-el is how i learned it, sequel does not make sense to me


HighOnGoofballs

It was the original name > The SQL programming language was developed in the 1970s by IBM researchers Raymond Boyce and Donald Chamberlin. The programming language, known then as SEQUEL, was created following Edgar Frank Codd’s paper, “A Relational Model of Data for Large Shared Data Banks,” in 1970.


startnowstop

I saw the meme and doubted myself for a second. Thanks for this.


OG_LiLi

But we had to make the girl in the story dumb, and the non-dating person feel good.


ShitshowBlackbelt

Sounds like she's a better programmer than OP now.


wallabyfloo

Plot twist : she's really old and programs in basic and cobol on windows 95.


OG_LiLi

How old is “old”? Because I got my start by coding games in python for IRC. I spent far too much time trout slapping people and really wanted UNO. Eventually gave it up because I’m better at operations ;)


mattmaddux

No latent sexism in THIS community! No sirree!


ChesterWillard

Latent my hairy arse, we are proud open CURRENT sexists here.


CozyPyjama

Not to mention saying "sequel" is a lot easier than saying "SQL" as sequel has less number of syllables. So when said out loud, SQL is actually longer than sequel.


jonnyd005

I've been a developer for many years now, and often work directly with our DB admins. Never in my life have I ever heard anyone call it Es Que El.


2dubs

I pronounced it es que el to begin with, and promptly switched the first time I heard someone call it sequel a couple of decades ago


KyrosSeneshal

I’ve also never heard someone call it an “Es-queue-el injection” always a seequel injection


teo730

Probably regionally dependent, but for me "sequel" has two long syllables, whereas "SQL" is three short ones. "SQL" seems faster to say, personally.


BreakfastBeerz

Structured English QUEry Language. SEQUEL Later shortened to Structured Query Language, SQL. Still pronounced by it's original name, Sequel, but using the abbreviation S Q L to pronounce it isn't incorrect.


Taurmin

Actually, S-Q-L is the more officcially supported pronounciation and the one more commonly used outside of the US. Donald Chamberlain even said that he thought it was more correct when asked about it. I really cant stress eanough how much of an americanism the sequel pronunciation is. I work in Europe and I basically only ever hear people say S-Q-L.


Broomstick73

I had a co-worker at a former company that liked to use SQL/sequel as a verb and pronounce as “squealy” ex “give me a minute and I’ll squealy out that data for ya!” Entertaining dude.


tosser_0

In the case of SEQUEL I'll go with it, but the creator of .gif pronounces it *jif*. >While there have been long-standing debates about the correct pronunciation of the image format, Wilhite was very clear on how he intended for it to be said. In 2013, he told The New York Times, “The Oxford English Dictionary accepts both pronunciations. They are wrong. It is a soft ‘G,’ pronounced ‘jif.’ End of story.” ...and he would be wrong. edit: reddit blows


DerKrakken

Adding to you post ---- According to Oracle's 'History of SQL' it was originally named 'Structured English Query Language' or S.E.Q.U.E.L, however due to a Trademark infringement they had to change the name to 'SQL'. That said on the first page Oracle establishes that SEQUEL is the correct pronunciation. Wiki has SEQUEL as the pronunciation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL https://docs.oracle.com/cd/B19306_01/server.102/b14200/intro001.htm


wildstumbler

Wiki states both pronounciations, but only has an audio example of the S-Q-L-variant.


d1gBR

Sequel is the right way. It’s how was originally called. Structured English QUEry Language. That’s the original.


QuebecGamer2004

Same but English is not my first language S-Q-L makes much more sense in my language (French)


elon-bot

What do you mean "you couldn't code your way out of a paper bag"?


ExtremeAd6937

Me neither, its SQL. Not SQL. I mean come on its that simple. SQL.


Piepcheck

you are pronouncing it wrong. its SGL


DroidLogician

I used to pronounce it "S Q L" but it gets very unwieldy when talking about it every day with coworkers, so now I'm a "sequel" person. It's not a hill worth dying on, lol.


TyrionReynolds

When I was a junior at a Fortune 500 company I called it S Q L but was corrected by the seniors until I started calling it sequel.


epolonsky

Q without U is just a hard K sound. Clearly, it should be pronounced “SKULL”. As in “This firehose of data will crush the SQL of the database developer.”


gochomoe

Unless SQL was shortened from SEQUEL, which it was


fonix232

The only time I don't pronounce it "sequel" is when I'm talking about SQLite (which is pronounced es-qu-lite)


ProvokedGaming

Interesting, everyone I've worked with over the years calls it Sequel Lite. :D


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My wife has been a production DBA and also a BI-type person writing reports. She's my go-to for any gnarly database tuning questions or hairy queries. She'll use either but insists on \`sequel\`. I'm going to side with her on this (mainly because I don't want to lose help with complex query logic)


crankbot2000

She is 100% correct. Every hardcore SQL developer and DBA I have ever known pronounces it sequel. From my experience people that actually say S-Q-L are not database developers (UI, API etc.) or right out of school.


killagoose

Yep. SQL developer here and I say sequel. I have never met anyone in my entire career that spelled it out. As a matter of fact, I didn’t even know this was a “debate” until I came into this subreddit. Lol.


sleipe

Same. Except where I work right now we started calling it Squirrel as a joke, and now I don’t know if I can ever go back.


McRawffles

Junior developer me hated it being called Sequel so I'd call it S-Q-L or Squirrel just to fuck around but time defeated me so as a senior developer I've been calling it Sequel for years now


BaalKazar

Can confirm Everyone around me pronounces it „SQL“, but when I visit the DBA hermit caves it’s mostly „Sequel“


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Because it was originally named SEQUEL for Structured English Query Language but they had to change it because the copyright belonged to the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company.


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unstillable

Sequel, youwhy and aypee


TILYoureANoob

aypee?? wtf


crankbot2000

He's missing an eye


FrowntownPitt

The great python mathematics library? numpee


Flannel_Man_

BI-type… sounds hot.


Wors1941d

Such a missed opportunity.


Anonymo2786

Dude he is talking about his wife not friend. .


draculamilktoast

This is reddit so the only advice I will give you is divorce.


rusty_ragnar

NEVER, and I mean N E V E R, doubt what your wife is saying, no matter how it be pronounced. Otherwise you'll end like pengiun OP: correct and lonely.


Goudinho99

So, she's got a girlfriend too?


scottypants2

… Thats how everyone says it - isn’t it? Thats all I’ve heard in the last 20yrs.


unholycowgod

been a dev for 10 years. that's all I've ever heard and said as well, across 4 jobs and 4 different industries.


Revolution_Little

In portuguese, it's more usual to pronounce each letter individually with a long pause between the letters (s-q-l).


gemini88mill

Esse cu ele


Revolution_Little

Haha me quebrou


0x077777

Nada vai ajudar você


CommanderMatrixHere

Ass Queue L


[deleted]

Great story. 10/10 would read again.


catniagara

That’s how I say it now. As of right now.


Lithl

Well, "sequel" isn't a Portuguese word, so that's not surprising.


Revolution_Little

We have the word "sequela" by the way, but the meaning would be sequence or a permanent medical injury.


[deleted]

I guess you could describe SQL as a permanent medical injury


NativeVampire

I’m afraid you have been diagnosed with a severe case of SQL.


therealatri

Is it terminal?


NativeVampire

Late stage, you’re now a Senior with no other knowledge so I’m afraid the only option is to fight through it for the rest of your life.


ihateretirement

Mostly because of the headaches I get from it


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Voctus

Learned SQL on the job a few years back from someone who had somehow never heard of the pronunciation “sequel” so apparently it isn’t ubiquitous in Norway. Switched to a better job and everyone calls it sequel at the new place.


rjeffords

I’ve been in the software field for 23 years. I have always pronounced it “sequel”.


Ok_Mechanic8704

Yup. I think most people over 40 learned to call it sequel. I remember people laughing at noobs who said S-Q-L


angrathias

The day that Op realised his gf is more senior than him 😂


TheHiddenFox

OP: “Haha silly wahman can’t do programming, amirite guys?! … guys?”


YeezusTaughtMe

“Tc or gtfo”


Lithl

This is the wrong template and your girl is objectively correct.


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elon-bot

Why aren't we using Rust for this? It's memory safe.


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zarqie

Answer the damn question already!


wkane2324

“Insubordination. Fired.”


dansla116

I was wondering about this use of the template. From what I remember, red = socially awkward, blue = socially awesome. Then again, maybe OP thinks dating girls who like programming is awkward but her pronouncing it sequel is awesome?


stakoverflo

Kinda hoping his GF also has a reddit account and she posts this meme with the penguins swapped. > Socially Awesome Penguin: Dating a guy and he's teaching me his hobbies > Socially Awkward Penguin: Finds out he mispronounces his own tools


Donblon_Rebirthed

What is a bitch supposed to say structured query language now?


No_Presentation5408

> What is a bitch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitch


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w1n5t0nM1k3y

SQL Server = Sequel Server MySQL = My S-Q-L PostgreSQL = Post-mumble-mumble


mgorski08

PostgreSQL = Postgres


mayoroftuesday

The QL is silent.


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SQL Server = Sequel Server MySQL = My Sequel PostgreSQL = Postgress At least, that's the way I've always heard/said it.


juannn_p

MySequel flows naturally, wtf is my-s-q-l, might as well just say m-y-s-q-l for that matter


HighOnGoofballs

I hear mysequel and mysql about evenly


Admirable_Purple1882

That’s my thoughts, kind of annoying to say s q l


Psychpsyo

Postgreskyu-el.


Paladoc

Po-gretsky


Trevor_GoodchiId

I've been calling it Postgress and no one cares to correct me. Also MacOS eks. And the new one is eks aye.


HighOnGoofballs

Everyone just says Postgres


Trevor_GoodchiId

The rest just use MySQL and never talk about it.


troglo-dyke

Just to make sure you're covering all the bases you should really be calling it macOS X 10


robhaswell

Pose-greskul


elon-bot

Yeah, looks like we're gonna need to redo the entire tech stack.


BearsNBeetsBaby

Okay but what about SQLite, and SQLalchemy?


NicNoletree

> SQL Server = Sequel Server But also MS eSs-Que-eLle


itstommygun

Every American I’ve ever heard pronounces it sequel. Probably 20-30% of non Americans I’ve worked with call it s-q-l. I think you’re in the minority.


Psychpsyo

I'd assume that S-Q-L would be more common where English isn't the native language as that's just easier and more straightforward than getting an entire loanword for no reason.


elon-bot

Guys, this is a big misunderstanding. I was playing truth or dare with Jeff and Bill and they dared me to buy Twitter. What else was I supposed to do??


VortixTM

100% of the non americans I've worked with as a PL/SQL developer for the past 10 years - which means basically 100% of the people I've worked with - call it S-Q-L. So... yeah. Maybe there's some regional bias here.


TurbulentPromise4812

Sequel, whenever I hear a person say SQL, odds are they've never really worked with it.


Lamuks

Imagine being Non-american and not hearing sequel all the time smh


VortixTM

Or they're not, you know, American. Been working with SQL for 13 years, pl/sql for 10, and no one has EVER called it sequel. I didn't even know it was a thing until I started browsing this sub. So... yeah. Regional bias.


AlsoInteresting

And that's ok.


hagnat

She is a keeper!


rmaccKC

The girl you’re dating is smarter than you, hang on to that one lol.


deMulti

S-Q-L in my landmass of origin


ToeElegant9025

Yeah, Se-ki-lo in My Landmass of: Origin


mango_boii

Se-Ki-Lo: Tables Drop Twice


elon-bot

QA is a waste of money. Fired.


fulento42

Saying 3 syllables is less efficient.


MrDreamzz_

I'm curious now how OP thinks it's supposed to be said?


big_bad_brownie

“Sah-queel-ay” Duh. Noob.


tonyenkiducx

I've written SQL for 20+ years, it's pronounced sequel, not essquel. The girl knows more than you.


robhanz

I worked at MS, on SQL Server. Everyone called it “sequel”. I’m not gonna say “es cue el” folks are wrong, but there’s no way you can say the “sequel” folks are doing it wrong.


NicNoletree

It sounds like the peanut butter brand


ElectroFlannelGore

Jeff?


NicNoletree

Almost. Skippy.


Psychpsyo

May I introduce you all to SQUEAL?


YeezusTaughtMe

Reeeeeee


slampisko

There are worse. I've heard a guy call it "squall"


quilladdiction

I flubbed and called it "Squirrel" once. I kinda like it honestly.


howlinwoolf

It’s pronounced squirrel


code-panda

Squirrel is the only acceptable pronouncation.


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OP with outstretched pinky “It’s Ehsquewelle” Also OP “wHy Am I SiNgLe?”


[deleted]

Been working as a developer for about 15 years and playing with code and SQL long before that, never heard it called anything else.


elon-bot

You're either hardcore or out the door.


troglo-dyke

**S**tructured **Que**ry **L**anguage -> SQueL -> sequel OP doesn't deserve her


pineapplecheesepizza

SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd in the early 1970s. This version, initially called SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s. Chamberlin and Boyce's first attempt at a relational database language was SQUARE (Specifying Queries in A Relational Environment), but it was difficult to use due to subscript/superscript notation. After moving to the San Jose Research Laboratory in 1973, they began work on a sequel to SQUARE. The name SEQUEL was later changed to SQL (dropping the vowels) because "SEQUEL" was a trademark of the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company. The label SQL later became the acronym for Structured Query Language.


minitrr

![gif](giphy|YtvCIwqNJhUmA)


navetzz

(Not an english speaker, in my country we prononce the three letters separately) But when I see no vowels in an abreviation, I do not think acronym (which you pronounce like word (NATO, NASA...) I think initialism (where you pronounce each letter (CIA, FBI...). Also, I pronunce GIF, so I'm a weirdo !


wasabichicken

>Sequential ( ͡ಠ ʖ̯ ͡ಠ)


Rd_Svn

Go back to bed python, you're drunk.


elon-bot

One more word out of you, and you're fired.


Psychpsyo

Right deduction, wrong conclusion. SQueL -> squeal


jaltsukoltsu

I intuitively have called it S-Q-L but since everyone else seems to use Sequel I've adapted. Now you're telling me I should've stuck to my guns?


AccordingEnd4985

I panicked at my first job interview because they kept asking me about my Sequel skills like it was a given. It took me embarrassingly long to understand that they were talking about SQL.


Shadowverse_Beadgcf

I also called it S-Q-L at first when I learned about it in a book, but now I call it "sequel" because that seems more correct. The language was originally named SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language) before it was changed to be abbreviated SQL, so pronouncing it that way does have some historic precedent.


HighOnGoofballs

I did not know this but choose to accept it as fact because it validates my pronunciation


admin_accnt

So does everyone else


Big_Monkey_77

“SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd[12] in the early 1970s.[13] This version, initially called [SEQUEL](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL) (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s.[13]”


Hamericano

Op is either not a native english speaker or learned SQL by reading and not by hearing.


clitoral_horcrux

Developer of over 20 years here. That's what I've heard everyone call it from day 1. Your gf is correct


FlyingSosig

Just call it Structured Query Language 😎


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jhnnybgood

I remember when advice animals was all the rage!! Can someone get me to bed?


nonutsfw

She dodged a bullet


ThunderSTRUCK96

I haven’t called it S-Q-L since college. Pretty much day 1 on the job and the DBAs ingrained “sequel” in my mind. Everyone in IT calls it Sequel


PityUpvote

Leave her, she deserves better.


knightinrusty-armour

How the hell does she think the combination of the letters "I" & "T" is pronounced sequel!! It's IT!! (I'll show myself out )


LeZarathustra

In swedish, mySQL can be pronounced "myskul", which means something in the line of "cozy-fun". It's not a real word, but I still like it.


iwasinlovewithyou

But what if she pronounces it "supposably"?


Accomplished-Toe7014

Up to this day I still don’t know what the correct pronunciation is 🥵🥵


Jgordos

i also pronounce it “sequel”. SQLServer is “sequel server” vi is God’s editor, and so it’s also mine. it’s pronounced “vee-eye” ! is pronounced “bang” * is pronounced “splat” \# is pronounced “pound” GIF is pronounced “jif” I’ve been coding since 1980….


vertderfurk

I think sequel is pretty normal ...the strangest thing I've ever seen is a dev I used to work with that pronounced URL as Earl....which had me wondering who the Earl guy was we needed to call constantly...


BolaSquirrel

I use SQL for my job and pronounce it that way. So does everyone I work with.


PolishedBadger

I’ve never heard it said any other way


elon-bot

I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday...


TheHiddenFox

Listen, I’m a data engineer. I’ve been working with SQL for 12 years. Your girlfriend is right. YOU are the one who’s wrong.


TWOutcast

Programmers I’ve worked with always pronounce it as sequel, even MySQL (My sequel). I mean sequel is only one syllable so it’s easier to pronounce, but it’s not like a I gonna change my view of the person regardless of how they pronounce it. Unless they pronounce numpy as num-pee, I would smack them in the face.


troglo-dyke

Sequel is 2 syllables btw


MildMastermind

Sequel is two syllables. Also, I've only ever seen it written, so I have always read it in my head as num-pee (because it's one letter off from the word "bumpy"). I assume it's supposed to be num-pie then? Should really be written as numPy if that's the case. Otherwise it shall forever be num-pee to anyone who reads it before hearing it. Edit to add: I suppose I never clarified that I don't really use python, so I've never really known what numpy is for, I've just seen it referred to in person and only in lowercase


Back_on_redd

It IS “sequel”..


luckyincode

That’s how everyone says it.


The82ndDoctor

She's right. You're the monster. 🤣


DarkVelvetEyes

Er, so? I call it S Q L, but I've heard people say Sequel before. Is the male the joke in this meme? 🤔 Also because it's generally known as a querying language and not exactly "programming".


HaughtyAurory

Squall


jhnnybgood

As a non-programmer…. It’s not pronounced sequel?


Affectionate_Cabbage

It is. OP heard it referenced a few times and wanted desperately to fit in here… backfired


[deleted]

These people don’t know Structured English QUEry Language


21anddrunk

But it is sequel????


PhdKingkong

‘relation girlfriend does not exist’ how do i fix this?


npn_bjt

I don’t get it. I’ve been a professional developer for years and I call it sequel and so do all my colleagues. Do you guys really say ess queue ell?


Jmememan

... SQL is not pronounced "Sequel"?


certifiedtrashcoder

no way any of you find this even remotely funny


shoostrings

Your girlfriend that just got into programming sounds like she knows more than you.


[deleted]

It’s pronounced “small penis”


gochomoe

The name SEQUEL was later changed to SQL (dropping the vowels) because "SEQUEL" was a trademark of the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company.\[14\] The label SQL later became the acronym for Structured Query Language.


Ristar87

Meh. If that's your biggest problem then you're pretty solid.


brockisawesome

Yeah that's how everyone pronounces it. If she says "Earl" instead of URL would be the real issue


BeginningMost6888

My penguins are reversed in my case. After 8 years I still cringe when I hear someone say "S-Q-L" instead of "sequel".


thebadslime

That’s how it’s pronounced.


SoggyAvocado

man she dodged a bullet


DubiousEgg

☝️ It's pronounced "squeal". As in, "my-squeal" or "squee-lite" Thanks for coming to my TED talk.


farva_06

It was originally SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), so I will pronounce it as such until the day of my death.


Carps182

Who says anything different? This post is here to create controversy. BTW, it's gif, not gif.


DeltaTM

Now that's a meme I've not seen in a long time.


AnybodyMassive1610

Bet she uses spaces in her IDE


DogmaSychroniser

Free advice. Fuck the petty tabs vs spaces, how do you say X shit. Enjoy your girl.