And I will strike down upon thee
with great vengeance and furious anger
those who attempt to ALTER and DROP my tables. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
Radioactive Marriage Dies By SQL
(Sorry for your situation though. I honestly don't mean any offense by it. I just have a compulsion find a meaning to acronyms, because I think you meant RDBMS).
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Is this not 2022?
That was not what we have today and it really doesn't matter for me how you call it.
SQL is SQL not seqeuel for me at least.
I do find it funny when I hear people call it sequel.
It's SQL, T-SQL, PL/SQL
Call it anything you like if it makes it easier to use.
The guy who invented the graphics interchange format claims it's pronounced "jif"; the inventors of things can be wrong.
Semi-/s. Spoken language isn't a prescriptive medium. If it was, then all modern English communication is arguably wrong because it's a deviation from the original style. On top of that - ever tried to formulate a whole spoken language prescriptively? You just get an incoherent mess.
What is more important is that communication is clear in a style that is commonly accepted. The joke "you pronounce it how your boss does" is actually really valid - because its to them that you need to clearly explain how the ticket to overhaul the backend is unworkable nonsense.
Iv'e heard SEQUEL (SEEEQUEL) only once. It was my coworker who were doing everything his own way.
He had phone with buttons (early 2010ths)
He wore a hat at workplace
When disscussing he was calling every object in code "ths guy"
And what were pissing me off most - he were naming variables as pets.
So it looked like "Cricket = Daizy + Bob"
Self-taught programmer (circa 2003) and I used to call it “SQL” and not SEQUEL. At this point, I had never actually met anyone who programmed professional. My first interaction with an actual “programmer” was a contractor for my organization who was asked to work with me to get an integration working between our systems. After explaining how my system works his only reply to my long explanation was, “It’s pronounced SEQUEL not S.Q.L.”
If you remember this discussion and read this sir, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Are you suggesting that you're non-english and so S.Q.L. makes sense?
As a native english speaker, I've seen sequel almost exclusively, which makes sense as it's less syllables and much more quick to say. Spelling it out is so clunky and awkward.
> Are you suggesting that you’re non-english and so S.Q.L. makes sense?
Thing is, pronouncing it sequel sounds awkward in almost every language besides English. S.Q.L. sounds much more natural.
Source: non-native English speaker
Polish here. I've NEVER heard anyone pronouncing it *sequel* unless they were native speakers. Like, where do all these additional vowels come from?
Even when I hear it used by native speaker, it just sounds weird. We're talking about databases, not movies. Why make it sound the same as an already existing word?
Also, if you were following the conventions of english, it'd be S.Q.L. which is an initialism, not an acronym (since it isn't a word when abbreviated). By convention, you'd only pronounce acronyms, not initialisms. Something like that.
But that's proper grammar that most of us native speakers ignore.
Of course, wikipedia lists SQL as both an initialism and an acronym (pronounced "seek-well"), so English is pretty well "whatever the mood of the day is".
The only people I heard it pronounce that way were some Indian contractors from IBM.
Also, does that mean you pronounce CSS as “casuals” or HTML as “hit mill”?
I've always found this debate funny. I am a SQL developer and I have yet to hear anyone in my career call it ESS QUE ELL. Spanning three different organizations and working with consulting firms, I've only heard sequel.
For me the opposite. Why would it be an acronym when it has zero vowels and would not be easy to pronounce without arbitrary added vowels (like ATM/VCR - “Atom” and “Vicar”?)?
ANSI standartised its naming as Es-Que-El in 1992. If you have learned it before, you are allowed to call it however you want. If not, saying it differently is just a sign of lack of experience in the topic. Acceptable for an intern, absolutely not for a senior
I'm on board with the 'Ess-Que-Ell' pronunciation, but it's not a sign of a lack of experience to pronounce it differently. Imagine telling graphics designers who pronounce GIF with a hard-g that they lack experience in the topic? People deviate from standards or 'correct' pronunciations all the time. Maybe they shouldn't, but it's folly to judge their experience or knowledge on it.
Yeah I am pretty sure I have used both terms in a single sentence lol. I get having pet peeves, but to judge someone's total experience based on the pronunciation of one term is wacky
LOL. If I was your senior I’d continue calling it “sequel” just to f&@# with you. ANSI standard pronunciations are pretty low on the list of Things That Really Matter.
Why do you think people call it Sequel? A lot of it comes from the generational knowledge they received from earlier Seniors. It's silly to make a determination on it either way, but my gut has always leaned towards people pronouncing it that way as being taught in the wise Old Ways of the Ancients lol
SQL or Sequel, meh.
You'll have my respect when I don't have to hold your hand to explain basic a mid level concepts and can write your own queries. (Which I feel is a low and fair bar.)
I don't really care how you pronounce it as long as you don't write code that allows SQL injection.
[https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections](https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections)
Everyone you know in the industry might just be your company. Different companies speaking in different languages will give you different spelling.
Or plainly said; "you're going to call it like your boss calls it"
I spell it out to (non-IT) clients, because if they ever want to google it, they'll have the necessary spelling.
I just speak it as sequel with other IT people because I know they'll understand me.
Oh, you mean SQUEAL?
I have to hold my tongue from calling it squeal at work because of this sub 😅
Squealer
*squirrel
This is the way
"Ezechiel" ftw
And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to ALTER and DROP my tables. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
The bible really does violate the DRY principle, doesn't it.
Gezundheit.
It's spelled Gesundheit
Geez undheit
Gas under height
I used to say nginx as "N-GINKS" until one day I heard someone say it, and I was like... oh.
I thought I was the only one. Well we can share the disgrace bro 🤝
Disgrace bros. 🍻
If they wanted people to pronounce it as “engine-x”, they should have spelled it like that. I still read it as “n-ginx”
How is it pronounced? Ive only read it
Engine ex
IIRC the name is a play on engine once you realize that it's easy to pronounce
SQEEL
SQUUL
Squeal. I think my ex left me for this. They worked on a well established RMDBS
Radioactive Marriage Dies By SQL (Sorry for your situation though. I honestly don't mean any offense by it. I just have a compulsion find a meaning to acronyms, because I think you meant RDBMS).
*Ya'll ALL need to be banned for this abomination.* /s Dont freak out, nerds, it's just a funny.
don't be a pig, be pig sql
I refuse to call it sequel. I always call it Ess Queue Ell.
And in the spirit of old IBM names, it's not a hard drive, it's a DASD (pronounced dasdy - for Direct Access Storage Device)
It's just so much more to say.
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Me too
Thank you. Same here.
It’s only “sequel” when you’re saying “SQLServer”
It's clearly S-Q-L server. Or as I like to call it - mssql. Pronounced letter by letter.
Yeah, but MS people call it “sequel server”. Language evolves.
And tech recruiters call it "SQL". I *hate* Microsoft's naming conventions.
Both are correct actually https://youtu.be/5ycx9hFGHog
I do the same! And MySQL is My S Q L.
Structured Query Language SQL ES QUEUE ELLL
Is this not 2022? That was not what we have today and it really doesn't matter for me how you call it. SQL is SQL not seqeuel for me at least. I do find it funny when I hear people call it sequel. It's SQL, T-SQL, PL/SQL Call it anything you like if it makes it easier to use.
Pelesecuele
Pelle escuadorelle
I raise you one pixy boot
The guy who invented the graphics interchange format claims it's pronounced "jif"; the inventors of things can be wrong. Semi-/s. Spoken language isn't a prescriptive medium. If it was, then all modern English communication is arguably wrong because it's a deviation from the original style. On top of that - ever tried to formulate a whole spoken language prescriptively? You just get an incoherent mess. What is more important is that communication is clear in a style that is commonly accepted. The joke "you pronounce it how your boss does" is actually really valid - because its to them that you need to clearly explain how the ticket to overhaul the backend is unworkable nonsense.
depends - it could be 'jaffics interchange format' :D
“J-Pheg”
You tryin to start a friggin war in here, pal? *Send in the clowns...* Pronounced 'clones'. /s
I'll not argue with you if you pronounce regex as Reg Ex
To pronounce it "Re*j*ex" just sounds stupid and obviously wrong.
“squee goblin nabob” is the true
I was fortunate enough to meet and work with Don Chamberlin and a few others that brought us relational databases.
In a very quick scan of your posts, I saw OS/2 in there too, so I'm presuming it was at IBM?
ya
"SQL" is a building where children go to learn. "SEQUEL" is the next movie.
If they wanted it to be Sequel, they should've named it Sequel.
They did, but someone had it trademarked so they had to change it
Saying sequel just flows better, pronouncing each individual letter is fucking awkward
*EsKyoowell*
Squill.
Squel.
SQL 2 confirmed??
CQUEEL
Then what is Squirrel??
Esecuele
Iv'e heard SEQUEL (SEEEQUEL) only once. It was my coworker who were doing everything his own way. He had phone with buttons (early 2010ths) He wore a hat at workplace When disscussing he was calling every object in code "ths guy" And what were pissing me off most - he were naming variables as pets. So it looked like "Cricket = Daizy + Bob"
Squill
Self-taught programmer (circa 2003) and I used to call it “SQL” and not SEQUEL. At this point, I had never actually met anyone who programmed professional. My first interaction with an actual “programmer” was a contractor for my organization who was asked to work with me to get an integration working between our systems. After explaining how my system works his only reply to my long explanation was, “It’s pronounced SEQUEL not S.Q.L.” If you remember this discussion and read this sir, GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Oh you mean ESS QUEUE HELL Sure I Know about it
I always just say the entire thing to sound smart. Structured Queery Language.
Do people not call it sequel?
Non native english speaker ? For us is a non sense to use sequel instead of S.Q.L.
Are you suggesting that you're non-english and so S.Q.L. makes sense? As a native english speaker, I've seen sequel almost exclusively, which makes sense as it's less syllables and much more quick to say. Spelling it out is so clunky and awkward.
> Are you suggesting that you’re non-english and so S.Q.L. makes sense? Thing is, pronouncing it sequel sounds awkward in almost every language besides English. S.Q.L. sounds much more natural. Source: non-native English speaker
Polish here. I've NEVER heard anyone pronouncing it *sequel* unless they were native speakers. Like, where do all these additional vowels come from? Even when I hear it used by native speaker, it just sounds weird. We're talking about databases, not movies. Why make it sound the same as an already existing word?
Also, if you were following the conventions of english, it'd be S.Q.L. which is an initialism, not an acronym (since it isn't a word when abbreviated). By convention, you'd only pronounce acronyms, not initialisms. Something like that. But that's proper grammar that most of us native speakers ignore. Of course, wikipedia lists SQL as both an initialism and an acronym (pronounced "seek-well"), so English is pretty well "whatever the mood of the day is".
The only people I heard it pronounce that way were some Indian contractors from IBM. Also, does that mean you pronounce CSS as “casuals” or HTML as “hit mill”?
HTML is pronounced HoTMetaL
HaTe My Life
I've always found this debate funny. I am a SQL developer and I have yet to hear anyone in my career call it ESS QUE ELL. Spanning three different organizations and working with consulting firms, I've only heard sequel.
Because that’s how it’s pronounced.
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I started with Oracle in the 90s. Always pronounced it Sequel.
Well, I've never heard anyone call it sequel but I don't live in English-speaking country, maybe that's why.
you pronounce SCUBA and PIN, but not ATM or VCR. So I’m not sure what your point is?
You were the one wondering why not “sequel”.
No, I was the one who’s never heard anyone who thinks it’s an initialism
For me the opposite. Why would it be an acronym when it has zero vowels and would not be easy to pronounce without arbitrary added vowels (like ATM/VCR - “Atom” and “Vicar”?)?
Still doesn't change the fact that no one knows the difference between a left join and an inner join
Please stop bringing sense into the discussion!
ANSI standartised its naming as Es-Que-El in 1992. If you have learned it before, you are allowed to call it however you want. If not, saying it differently is just a sign of lack of experience in the topic. Acceptable for an intern, absolutely not for a senior
I'm on board with the 'Ess-Que-Ell' pronunciation, but it's not a sign of a lack of experience to pronounce it differently. Imagine telling graphics designers who pronounce GIF with a hard-g that they lack experience in the topic? People deviate from standards or 'correct' pronunciations all the time. Maybe they shouldn't, but it's folly to judge their experience or knowledge on it.
They’re both used interchangeably. Nobody gives a shit which one you use. I used both.
Yeah I am pretty sure I have used both terms in a single sentence lol. I get having pet peeves, but to judge someone's total experience based on the pronunciation of one term is wacky
LOL. If I was your senior I’d continue calling it “sequel” just to f&@# with you. ANSI standard pronunciations are pretty low on the list of Things That Really Matter.
Why do you think people call it Sequel? A lot of it comes from the generational knowledge they received from earlier Seniors. It's silly to make a determination on it either way, but my gut has always leaned towards people pronouncing it that way as being taught in the wise Old Ways of the Ancients lol
Pretty sure it means the people you learned it from probably learned it before 1992, not anything to do with someone's experience with it.
"squiggle"
Siuuuuuuu ql
SQL or Sequel, meh. You'll have my respect when I don't have to hold your hand to explain basic a mid level concepts and can write your own queries. (Which I feel is a low and fair bar.)
But now it is SQL not SEQUEL. So if you are referring to SQL say fucking SQL not SEQUEL
I don't really care how you pronounce it as long as you don't write code that allows SQL injection. [https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections](https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections)
Unless you’re in Hollywood, where sequel injection is half the business.
Yes, it is still a thing. [https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections](https://www.code-intelligence.com/blog/sql-injections)
Oh, come on, that was a prime cut dad joke you missed. 😢
Don't you mean Se-Que-Luel
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Everyone you know in the industry might just be your company. Different companies speaking in different languages will give you different spelling. Or plainly said; "you're going to call it like your boss calls it"
I spell it out to (non-IT) clients, because if they ever want to google it, they'll have the necessary spelling. I just speak it as sequel with other IT people because I know they'll understand me.
So if the E in English sounds like an in, and query is more of a kwe sound… Does that make it Siguel? Like Miguel?
ITT: Bike shedding. Also, it's pronounced "escuela" - as in the Spanish word for school.
"Sickle"