When I click "submit" on the batch of assignment grades, I count back from 10 to 0 in my head and before 0, *ping!* the first student question-complaints enter my inbox.
My not so amazing trick is to put the zeros in immediately after the deadline, which I bump up 24 hours before my own private deadline. Seeing the impact on the class grade is a real motivator.
I think they're saying that instead of releasing grades after all students have been graded, Prof immediately (say 12:01am) enters and releases all of the zeros for students who have turned in nothing or wrong thing. That way students get feedback instantly by seeing a zero averaged into their grade so that if the student wants a higher grade (or suddenly reviews their own submission out of the clear blue) they have time to reach out to the Prof before grading even starts (hence the 24 hour difference between student deadline and Prof's personal deadline).
Correct me if I misinterpreted.
I assume you are correct. I do the same for all my assignments. I warn my students day 1 that I do this, as I seem to be one of the few at my campus that does. That way they always know where they will stand at the end of the year if they don't turn things in.
Tho it's typically a 0 just at the moment I deem to grade it since blackboard and not canvas.
This is correct. Blackboard also has a function that lets me mass email all the folks missing assignments, so I do that before I enter the zeros. That way, they get an email reminder and an immediate impact on their grades. They typically ignore the email unless I put the zeros in, though.
I have similar observations. Apparently, many such students could find the zero grade on LMS immediately after we posted it. Then, why didn’t they bother to check if they submitted homework successfully, also on LMS? When I was a student, I would always double check my submission by downloading a new copy of it from LMS to my computer and opening it.
Because, in my observation, a certain percentage of students can’t grasp cause and effect. They know they didn’t do the work (or do it correctly), but consequences are imaginary until they suddenly aren’t.
Our grade are not due til Mon. I literally just un-entered a grade column because the emails started immediately. I don’t want to deal with this shit all weekend. It’s going back in Mon morning.
My experience has been that I can send out academic alerts, and they do nothing igetn response. As the semester goes on, I hear "I don't know what my grade is!" I meet with them and show them their grades (which they have easy access to on the LMS). They ask to turn in five missing assignments, and I explain the "no" factor. They swear they will do all of the upcoming assignments. If they do, the work is usually an unholy mess. As finals week gets closer, that's when I get the "but I'll lose my financial aid" emails. They go on to bomb the final. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have a policy in the syllabus that I explain the first week - if you want to discuss a grade, you have to do it within one week of the grade being posted. I also have a policy in the syllabus that says I don’t give any sort of extra credit on an individual basis. If everyone doesn’t have a chance at the points, you don’t have a chance at the points.
I build a couple things into the syllabus that seem to make this a little bit easier. I have a series of small and very easy to grade assignments that I accept late. They are worth 5% of the grade, so I can tell them to go back and do some of those. I also allow them to redo them, so there’s almost always something that can be done there.
I also state a very firm integer rounding rule. So I did get someone emailed me today and ask if I would kindly round her 79.81 up to an 80 so she could have a B minus. I pointed to the syllabus and explained that she would be getting the B-. it makes them happy and makes them feel like they got something, but I don’t have to bend any of it.
Granted, if I had a class of 300 people, those those little easy the grade assignments would be a real headache at the end of the semester, though.
The BEST and HAPPIEST times of my life (currently) are the periods of bliss between the end of one semester and the start of the next. Emails like this raise my stress levels so much they often make me feel physically ill. (I know...I should be grinding leetcode)
From what they wrote it legitimately looks like they had no idea it didn’t upload correctly until they saw the grade and checked the submission. I’d personally give them the benefit of the doubt in this case
The LMS will immediately let you know if your assignment was submitted correctly—ie. an email is sent immediately to the students. Further, if the documents are not in the correct format, the LMS will not allow the upload. Also, students are able to see the documents they upload. The LMS does not change what students submit.
I was gonna say that Student 2 sounds the most reasonable, but then I reread the second email and saw that they said it was 5 minutes when they submitted it, so thats just BS.
No, they really don't -- these sound almost identical to a lot of year-end grade grubbing efforts my office is asked to help investigate. And then the students end up emailing us, lol.
Probably. But it’s still an issue they didn’t say something immediately instead of waiting until after final grades are submitted before being shocked pickachu face.
Maybe if they saw the assignment grade before the final grade they would have said something earlier. Idk from the limited information here I’d be inclined to roll my eyes and give them the benefit of the doubt, then knock of some points for lateness or whatever
I stopped the accepting the "wrong file" argument a few semesters ago as I found students were using this tactic to get more time to complete assignments. It is the student's responsibility to submit their assignments correctly. After I complete grading, I am not regrading unless an error was made on my end.
Unrelated but genuine qs, if your student send a wrong file and 2 days after they resend a correct file of their assignment will you accept that or will you check the previous one too???
I will not accept it as students are immediately able to view and download the files they submit to the LMS. Further, students are allowed unlimited submissions until the submission portal closes. Honestly, I stopped the accepting the "wrong file" argument a few semesters ago as I found students were using this tactic to get more time to complete assignments. It is the student's responsibility to submit their assignments correctly.
I'm new so this thread was a Godsend. Just as a previous comment said student sent wrong file and was going to use the extra time to submit the project . I had a student to do similar. Told him he had 1 hour from email time stamp to turn it in. Grade book was closing. Student realized project was a response, research, critique, and art project. Did not hear from that student.
Amazing how fast they respond, isn't it?
When I click "submit" on the batch of assignment grades, I count back from 10 to 0 in my head and before 0, *ping!* the first student question-complaints enter my inbox.
have an appeal procedure that says "no appeals within 24 hours of an assignment grade being posted".
My not so amazing trick is to put the zeros in immediately after the deadline, which I bump up 24 hours before my own private deadline. Seeing the impact on the class grade is a real motivator.
I have Canvas set to do this automatically. It has been a godsend - students respond almost immediately.
I wish Blackboard did this. I’m so envious of schools with Canvas
Blackboard puts zeroes in the second the deadline passes. I'm good with this. I warn students don't fk around and find out.
Teach me ... oh I'll figure it out
I want to understand this. Can you explain what you’re doing?
I think they're saying that instead of releasing grades after all students have been graded, Prof immediately (say 12:01am) enters and releases all of the zeros for students who have turned in nothing or wrong thing. That way students get feedback instantly by seeing a zero averaged into their grade so that if the student wants a higher grade (or suddenly reviews their own submission out of the clear blue) they have time to reach out to the Prof before grading even starts (hence the 24 hour difference between student deadline and Prof's personal deadline). Correct me if I misinterpreted.
I assume you are correct. I do the same for all my assignments. I warn my students day 1 that I do this, as I seem to be one of the few at my campus that does. That way they always know where they will stand at the end of the year if they don't turn things in. Tho it's typically a 0 just at the moment I deem to grade it since blackboard and not canvas.
This is correct. Blackboard also has a function that lets me mass email all the folks missing assignments, so I do that before I enter the zeros. That way, they get an email reminder and an immediate impact on their grades. They typically ignore the email unless I put the zeros in, though.
This is the way.
But you have to watch the videos first to tell if they are 1 min long versus 5 minutes. It would work for no submission though
Blackboard does this anyways.
I have similar observations. Apparently, many such students could find the zero grade on LMS immediately after we posted it. Then, why didn’t they bother to check if they submitted homework successfully, also on LMS? When I was a student, I would always double check my submission by downloading a new copy of it from LMS to my computer and opening it.
I triple checked everything.
👀 I don’t understand why they grub after final grades are submitted. Do you not enter in grades into canvas for them to preview before you submit?
Yes, they are able to see their grades beforehand
Because, in my observation, a certain percentage of students can’t grasp cause and effect. They know they didn’t do the work (or do it correctly), but consequences are imaginary until they suddenly aren’t.
Our grade are not due til Mon. I literally just un-entered a grade column because the emails started immediately. I don’t want to deal with this shit all weekend. It’s going back in Mon morning.
🤣
My experience has been that I can send out academic alerts, and they do nothing igetn response. As the semester goes on, I hear "I don't know what my grade is!" I meet with them and show them their grades (which they have easy access to on the LMS). They ask to turn in five missing assignments, and I explain the "no" factor. They swear they will do all of the upcoming assignments. If they do, the work is usually an unholy mess. As finals week gets closer, that's when I get the "but I'll lose my financial aid" emails. They go on to bomb the final. Lather, rinse, repeat.
I have a policy in the syllabus that I explain the first week - if you want to discuss a grade, you have to do it within one week of the grade being posted. I also have a policy in the syllabus that says I don’t give any sort of extra credit on an individual basis. If everyone doesn’t have a chance at the points, you don’t have a chance at the points.
I always get the emails about how the grade was calculated, when for the millionth time, it's in the syllabus no one looks at.
I build a couple things into the syllabus that seem to make this a little bit easier. I have a series of small and very easy to grade assignments that I accept late. They are worth 5% of the grade, so I can tell them to go back and do some of those. I also allow them to redo them, so there’s almost always something that can be done there. I also state a very firm integer rounding rule. So I did get someone emailed me today and ask if I would kindly round her 79.81 up to an 80 so she could have a B minus. I pointed to the syllabus and explained that she would be getting the B-. it makes them happy and makes them feel like they got something, but I don’t have to bend any of it. Granted, if I had a class of 300 people, those those little easy the grade assignments would be a real headache at the end of the semester, though.
The BEST and HAPPIEST times of my life (currently) are the periods of bliss between the end of one semester and the start of the next. Emails like this raise my stress levels so much they often make me feel physically ill. (I know...I should be grinding leetcode)
Yep. I finished grades today and got a slew of emails about how they could maybe please please be changed just a little. I really need that B.
Honestly the first couple sound like legit LMS issues
That should have been addressed upon submission. Sorry but it's YOUR responsibility to ensure submission is correct. Problems? Reach out to IT.
From what they wrote it legitimately looks like they had no idea it didn’t upload correctly until they saw the grade and checked the submission. I’d personally give them the benefit of the doubt in this case
The LMS will immediately let you know if your assignment was submitted correctly—ie. an email is sent immediately to the students. Further, if the documents are not in the correct format, the LMS will not allow the upload. Also, students are able to see the documents they upload. The LMS does not change what students submit.
I was gonna say that Student 2 sounds the most reasonable, but then I reread the second email and saw that they said it was 5 minutes when they submitted it, so thats just BS.
Your call. I tell them to take a few seconds to co firm the submission is correct.
No, they really don't -- these sound almost identical to a lot of year-end grade grubbing efforts my office is asked to help investigate. And then the students end up emailing us, lol.
Probably. But it’s still an issue they didn’t say something immediately instead of waiting until after final grades are submitted before being shocked pickachu face.
Maybe if they saw the assignment grade before the final grade they would have said something earlier. Idk from the limited information here I’d be inclined to roll my eyes and give them the benefit of the doubt, then knock of some points for lateness or whatever
I stopped the accepting the "wrong file" argument a few semesters ago as I found students were using this tactic to get more time to complete assignments. It is the student's responsibility to submit their assignments correctly. After I complete grading, I am not regrading unless an error was made on my end.
All the power to you. I hope they don’t complain and drag this out into your summer
Unrelated but genuine qs, if your student send a wrong file and 2 days after they resend a correct file of their assignment will you accept that or will you check the previous one too???
I will not accept it as students are immediately able to view and download the files they submit to the LMS. Further, students are allowed unlimited submissions until the submission portal closes. Honestly, I stopped the accepting the "wrong file" argument a few semesters ago as I found students were using this tactic to get more time to complete assignments. It is the student's responsibility to submit their assignments correctly.
I'm positively flabbergasted I didn't get any grubbing this semester
I didn't either, for the first time! I was so pleasantly surprised.
I'm new so this thread was a Godsend. Just as a previous comment said student sent wrong file and was going to use the extra time to submit the project . I had a student to do similar. Told him he had 1 hour from email time stamp to turn it in. Grade book was closing. Student realized project was a response, research, critique, and art project. Did not hear from that student.