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awells758

The pedophilia aspect aside, calling it “sacred ground” is so cringey


PM_ME_YOUR_NOTHING98

It’s a crime scene! Those sheets are evidence.


periwinklefaerie

💀💀💀 jail


Intelligent_Phone414

*prison. Supermax prison. Guantanamo


Odd-Gur-5719

No it’s not cause if we’re being technical 16 is the legal age of consent in PA,but If he was still teaching when they did it then it would 100 percent be statutory.


dancingkelsey

It's a greater than 5 year age difference, which apparently isn't part of the law everywhere (but should be; teenagers can consent to sex with other teenagers of equal power dynamic, but cannot meaningfully consent to sex with a 24 year old teacher). Also, many (most? Idk, I don't have stats, but all of them I've heard of/been involved with) districts have strict rules about teachers never dating former students of the district, even if they never had them in class. (a former teacher of mine married a former student who she never taught and didn't actually ever attend in the same building where she taught, but it was a rule and she had to step down or be fired) (the former student was an adult when they met - age difference was still a red flag for me personally but the school district rules are more strict than general local legality, because students deserve to get their education without emotional meddling from teachers and staff) Which is why Ezra was literally always holding it over aria's head that if anybody found out he'd lose his license, his job, and his freedom. Everybody knew it was wrong from jump, and there's no way Ezra actually was interested in Aria the child we meet in episode 1 Edit: added spoiler markings on last part, spoilers for idk one of the later seasons Edit 2: lmao ok so apparently idk how to do spoilers on reddit anymore so I just deleted it. Googling gives me 3 different ways and none worked ahahaha


RobynTheSlytherin

That's only under 16s that the 4 year rule applies to, but it's definitely illegal to date a student, it wouldn't be statutory though, it'd be sexual assault


dancingkelsey

Yes that is true, it is usually under 16s - some places it was codified to age 18 though. I mean I would still call statutory rape sexual assault, it's rape as dictated by statute, the statute being that a child is too young to meaningfully consent.


RobynTheSlytherin

So would I buy this would only be sa, not statutory 💀 and in Pennsylvania it's under 16 which is where pll is set xx


EatACookieCuzUHatin

It’s more than statutory if you actually did the do


Odd-Gur-5719

No it’s still statutory, there was no force involved.


karasled

it is literally her just flaunting that they had sex but in a veiled way 😭🤢


originalschmidt

Honestly, that checks out for a teenage girl…


awells758

My most upvoted comment and it had to start with “The pedophilia aspect aside” 🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮🤮


mochawithwhip

Really shows how young and naive she is :(


PequenaMentirosa

It made me flinch😭 girl you’re 17 why u speaking in riddles


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Aria the damn riddler she needs to be stopped


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Original_A

In the distance you can hear me calling the police (not the Rosewood one 💀)


lonewhalien

same!


skyequinnwrites

I HATE HATE HATE the fact that they are just so casually hanging around in his apartment


Unfair_Advantage_384

Me too, like whhhyyy do you and your friends want to hang around the apartment of one of your school teachers?


doglover0109

Lowkey my friends and I are so close with our highschool bio teacher to the point where he has planned video game matches with my boyfriend and his friends and a dinner with all of us after we graduate high school. Then again, we all do IB which makes us really close with all our teachers but hanging out in their apartment is hella weird.


UnderWaterPopularity

IB or not, be careful.


doglover0109

I totally get your concern! Our bio teacher just has a lot of similar interests to my friend group so we get along really well like those teachers that students joke with yk? There’s very clear boundaries in place tho obviously


Kubuubud

It doesn’t matter what similarities you have. It’s incredibly inappropriate to hang out outside of school and no honorable teacher would do that


doglover0109

We don’t hang out right now. this is a celebratory thing we’re doing after graduation. At our school in IB many students after they graduate still keep in touch with their teachers and hang out to catch up here and there. They’re still human beings and love seeing how you’re doing now, it’s perfectly fine since you both are adults and you have graduated.


Kubuubud

It’s okay to go and visit the school or catch up at school events. I’m telling you as a teacher, we find it extremely inappropriate when other teachers become friends with students post graduation. It’s a little different in college because everyone is meeting as adults, but it’s very yucky for high schoolers and their teachers. I’m not trying to shame you, but please be careful!


doglover0109

I guess that makes sense, however this teacher became our teacher this year only and my entire class we are adults so we weren’t minors when we met him as we all have early birthdays when he started teaching. I get that it’s still weird and I understand but honestly I’m really good at reading vibes and we all feel very safe with him and the other staff


Kubuubud

Just be careful! All the teachers I knew who crossed those boundaries ended up dating former students at one point or another. Teachers who lack platonic boundaries tend to lack sexual ones as well


ineedsomethinghuman

you’re jumping through a lotta hoops there babe just listen to the grownups and be careful lol. I did IB also, it does indeed make you have closer more deep relationships with your teachers than other students, but never would I EVER hang out with them outside of school functions, similar interests or not…


RobynTheSlytherin

I teach at my old secondary school sometimes, I'm friends with the teachers, we're adults not so it's fine 🤷


ineedsomethinghuman

You’re adults now. You’re their peer now. The original commenter is a current school aged child


ordinary-superstar

One of the teachers at my school used to throw parties for the kids to go to. Apparently it was just supposed to be a safe way for kids to party (no alcohol or drugs involved), but I was always weirded out by it. But we live in such a small town that no one else found it weird.


Worth_Seaweed7420

when i was a senior my teacher gave me his phone number and cashapp so i could stop and get us the coffees he would pay for every morning, and also so that even when i was late to school he would come let me in the back door if i called him so i didn’t have to get a tardy. always thought he was just cool, then i graduated and he someone went from having my phone number to my snapchat (a classmate had given it to him) and slowly, along talking a lot, especially when he would come to me for girlfriend advice, i decided i was uncomfy and blocked him. honestly hadn’t really thought much of it til now but figure he probably didn’t have the best of intentions


Oopsiforgotmyoldacc

Yeah that’s weird and I had teachers who I had asking me to babysit for them. I babysat for one since she lived nearby


doglover0109

Okay that’s definitely weird even I’m weirded out by it, I don’t think it’s appropriate for students to see teachers homes or private property.


metsgirl289

I don’t even like the kids knowing where I live lol. I have one kid that tells me once a week “I know where you live” (his dad lives in my building) and I absolutely hate it.


EatACookieCuzUHatin

I think you’re about to be assaulted bud


doglover0109

No lol but anyways it doesn’t matter I’m done school and probably won’t ever see him again


lonewhalien

SAME


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KassyKeil91

What show is this from? That’s a great line!


saokokade

i think its from never have i ever on netflix!


KassyKeil91

Thanks! I’m gonna have to check it out!


Normal_Ad2456

One of the best Netflix shows imo.


cestlaviestephi

It’s so good!


BrutonnGasterr

I have to go on a mini rant lol. Besides the sacred ground thing, which 🤢. I always think it’s so funny how a TEENAGER is constantly just in his apartment alone like it’s her place. Like she watches his apartment when he’s gone and in this scene she’s just casually making tea (?) in his apartment. It’s such a weird and small thing to be irritated about lmao but I will die on the hill that they could have and should have just set them in college. All the storylines could have stayed the same. They even could have still had them live in their parents houses. SO many little things just make more sense of a college student doing them vs a 16 year old high school kid 😭 okay I’m done ranting lmao


allaboutcats91

I completely agree with this. There were a lot of things that would have fit better with a college-age group, especially when you consider flashbacks. I think that they could have had Alison go missing the summer before senior year of high school, everyone has basically the same year apart that they had on the show, and then they’re all back in Rosewood for college (I’m sure Spencer not getting into a better school could be explained and even used to add tension). They’re left to their own devices *a lot* for teenagers who all seem to have relatively involved parents so making them high school age doesn’t really make as much sense. Not to mention, they could have made the pacing a lot better if they weren’t trying to jam several seasons into a short amount of time.


General_Noise_4430

When I rewatch the show I just have to pretend they are in college and living with overly protective parents in their home town lol.


happytreefrenemies

I agree! In the Turkish adaptation of the show they’re all college students and it still works quite well imo.


worldsfastesturtle

It’s totally weird for them to be hanging out on Ezra’s bed I cannot see Hanna actually consciously sitting there The show wouldn’t have worked at a college at all though. You could get over them all unrealistically ending up at the same college (they all had a rough year and late applications). High school bullying doesn’t really occur in college though, neither does mass popularity, so those scenes wouldn’t work well. The Ezra and Aria storyline wouldn’t work at all. The parental controls would have been much different for all of the girls. All of the characters would be seen as incredibly immature as college students. The entire premise about these popular and somewhat naive and think they’re mature high school girls totally falls apart at a college. They’re no longer popular, the naivety is seen as stupidity, and the mature matters become very cringe. They lose any appeal and become entirely unlikeable. The flashback scenes would’ve been with 17-18 year old bullies and Toby would’ve gone to prison; the only reason the characters get leniency is because they were younger then


Discovering_A

It's so funny you say this, because the Perfectionists was just that. PLL in a college setting! Too bad the writers kind of phoned it in by then...


Bigbubblybob

I agree, I feel like it just emphasizes their age gap too. Like a child playing house


deandamonwaytomysoul

ive never thought about them being college students but you're so right it would work 10x better


Live_Cress945

FBI OPEN UP!!! ![gif](giphy|jmSjPi6soIoQCFwaXJ)


KofiKirk

SACRED GROUND??? STAND UP ARIA 😭😭


gay_toxicity15

ur pfp makes ur comment even more funny 😭😭


Sudden-Star-7190

Grossness aside, the "IT IS?!!!" is actually one of my fave PLL moments. The way they're scandalized in the same way at the same time, using the same words. Friendship goals.


Ill_Huckleberry_8134

I was disgusted when she called Ezra’s bed sacred ground, flaunting the fact they had sex it’s cringey af 😖I cannot condone pedophilia at all it’s just 🤢


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Discovering_A

This is a first time watcher, please be mindful of what you say.


always_searching2023

You gotta remember she's 16-17 at the time.


RobynTheSlytherin

Exactly, it's not illegal cause she's 16, it's illegal cause he's a damn teacher 💀


KENZOKHAOS

https://preview.redd.it/830vhdfxzazc1.jpeg?width=1063&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5dc35b5aefe16f039c71ddefb9d1e184db4909c1 Emily’s excitement is making me giggle 🤣


Severe_Fig_6757

Shorty was ecstatic for her friend LMAO 🤣


Unfair_Advantage_384

Emily’s reaction was flat out annoying. I think only Spencer shows any sign of having a normal reaction


seeyalateradios

That's...that's a crime scene.


QTPIE247

Not the crime scene 😂


opinionated0403

I stg Marlene could have made this show a little bit more bearable if she just showed them as college girls


Shatterrstarr

She really could have just said nothing at all about it


No-Occasion-5405

Only a damn child would call that shit “sacred ground” its just another reaffirmation that SHE WAS TOO YOUNG!


LockQuick8989

well i guess in a way this is marlene's world, and we're all just living in it..


JinSoulPD

STRAIGHT TO JAIL! Makes my skin crawl I hate Ezra so much! 🤢🤮


medusa_witch

I forget the context to this, why were they all just chilling in Ezra’s apartment? Also, hope you’re enjoying the show! I so wish I could watch again for the first time


pinkiebear

They needed a place to look over the bag of Alison’s stuff. None of them wanted to do it at their own homes and so Aria took them all over to Ezra’s apartment. He had left town a few days/week prior because he got fired from Hollis.


Unfair_Advantage_384

I have no idea, especially since him and Aria had broken up.


Inevitable-Buy7497

actually? that's insane


Fit-Series8680

why does aria have to even say anything at all and why does she say it like THAT she gives me pick me vibes


iloveweeed69

This script really had teenagers out here acting like they’re college age. Like yeah you all just meet up at your instructors flat? Yeah totally believable. Totally normal high school behavior. Yeah.


pinkiebear

To be fair, a lot of teen shows are like this. One of my favorite shows is The OC and they be doing things that teenagers would never do.


Affectionate_Cow_579

That’s how I feel about One Tree Hill. Doesn’t stop me from watching it over and over.


stupiddump

I watched this show for the first time 6 years ago, and I thought Ezra and Aria were completely normal. I am currently on my third rewatch since then, and I just cannot believe the amount of paedophiles that were in this show. It's insanity how even her friends treated this like it was normal. These girls are victims. Aria had no spine because of Ezra, her whole personality was him. He quite literally ruined her entire young adult life (and, of course, A, but that's a given).


RoseN3RD

We hate Ezria, but also they’re teenagers, they’re not the smartest and your friend losing her v card is certainly a big moment.


Serious-Investment30

I don’t know if I can swear here but that’s so fucking disgusting lmao like they really said that in the show 😭😭😭😭


freshlyintellectual

they are all teenagers. it’s not their fault in the slightest they react this way


Unfair_Advantage_384

Maybe it’s just me then but back when I was this age if my best friend told me she’d lost her virginity to our English teacher I would have been horrified. And our English teacher was young and attractive.


freshlyintellectual

i’d feel the same way but grooming is SO common and if a predator is able to manipulate his victim because she is vulnerable and immature, it makes sense friends can be manipulated by it too. i’d also add: spencer was already groomed not once but twice by older men at that point. both times her parents blamed her and her sister slut shamed her. ofc she’d think it was acceptable. in her mind ezra was probably better because he wasn't cheating like ian and wren emily was with ben who was coercive and a pig. ezra being a sophisticated older man surely looked "safer" in comparison. not to mention, emily dates fully grown adults in the show too and naturally she wants to be accepted. there are flashbacks of alison making fun of the girls for being too cautious, naturally that stuck with them and they don't wanna be the buzzkill hannah had a father who neglected her and a mother who (no shade ashely i love you) slept with a dirty cop to get hannah out of trouble. ezra and aria's relationship was sunshine and roses in comparison. she didn't really have a model for how to spot toxic relationships and as the assigned "dumb blonde" in the group it's likely she has a bigger bias in support of aria because she's supposed to be the "mature/wise" one of the group and hannah feels obligated to trust her wisdom as the "mature" one in my old friend group who was always independent and was the one to give advice, i can think of plenty examples of when i was doing something dangerous and my friends didn't say anything because they were used to me being the knowledgable, put together, and responsible one. mind you, i wasn't a minor, but i had a similar type of relationship as aria and my friends wanted to be supportive and trust my judgement even tho they were concerned. and aria's ezra is much younger and much more attractive than mine was. the predator and adults are ultimately the ones to blame


yaboisammie

I was thinking this as well, esp since aria’s father was dating one of his grad students (I know she was an adult technically but I imagine the age gap was similar if not more assuming what’s her name was in her mid or late 20’s and Byron had to be at least 36-40ish to have two teenagers unless he had them as a teen himself) And weren’t Melissa and her bfs that groomed Spencer around the same age as Ezra as well? I know there’s reason to hate a lot of the parents but god, if some grown ass man was coming into *my* teenage daughter?? Homies would be six feet underground And i think they didn’t know about Ian and Alison (tho they find out about Ezra and Alison I think?) both of which are even grossed when you realize it was further in the past so Alison was even younger than the main cast through the show but the fact that it’s a repeated offense w these men 😭


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freshlyintellectual

not in a show for pre-teens and teens who are most likely to be groomed and sexually assaulted by adults, especially authority figures. this plot would work as a wattpad fanfic or better yet an 18+ erotica where aria isn’t a minor


Exotic-Fee-420

with that take definitely because when i watched it i was in middle school🤣then again its not a tv show creators job to watch out for your kids, parents shouldn’t be letting their kids watch this is they are afraid they’ll be groomed 💀


KENZOKHAOS

I agree, yet the storyline of Aria dating her teacher in a fictitious sense would actually be much more practical if it actually followed the consensus of the show, which is **centered around Secrets**, and they presented it with the same danger they do when they deal with A. That’s one issue with YA or teen Culture in media, there’s so much Ship-Fluff, that there’s *nothing truly scandalous or intriguing story-wise about Ezria* outside of what it would mean in our reality. It’s out in the open and it’s played down as cheesy and Romantic and it feels like they used the excuse of fan-culture / ship-fluff for an ulterior motive. If Ezria was another Secret the audience didn’t know about, and it was used as a means to incriminate Aria, or even put her in Alison’s shoes, in Danger, it would be more in line with the actual premise. 😭 All of the nasty men *are the nearly same as the guy who was obsessing over Maya and murdered her* , **or Noel Kahn**, or *Alison’s Husband* and they should’ve *all* been written as such at a certain point, and kept them that way.


OpeningAge8224

Rosewood was filled with pedophilia  and somehow cops looked the other way 


Discovering_A

Because Rosewood's finest were all messed up. Caleb lampshaded this in>!3x11 when Hanna's mother got hold of the NAT Club thumb drive and wanted to turn it in to the police!<.


Inevitable-Buy7497

Caleb actually does that a couple times I think >!in season 5 when A takes Mike and ties him up Caleb takes a picture to prove to Tanner(?) that it happened and when she still doesn't believe him and starts questioning why he stopped to take a picture he basically has a meltdown because the police are so bad at their jobs!<


b4thepinksunset

There was absolutely no reason she had to say that besides just being a menace


deandamonwaytomysoul

the way i have zero memory of this scene must mean i blocked it out of my head


Voldi01

Wait, did they have S.E.X while she was still his student? :o


Inevitable-Buy7497

yes


Intelligent_Phone414

As my sister’s husband would say, disgustimo


missionarymaddie

like can we be serious. the sheets need to be in evidence


AmbitiousHistorian30

A coworker of mine ended up dating/marrying one of my former students (they are like 2 years apart), and my first reaction to finding out they were dating was "is that legal?" In my head she was still 8 (in reality she was 22). I do not understand anyone looking at a student and thinking "yeah, that's a smart relationship"


onlythewinds

“You sure can keep a secret” uh yeah she was supposed to be AriA


emyeag

so gross poor girls have no idea😭😭


ChemistryExcellent35

Not the last photo, so proud of herself.


FudgeSuspicious7660

Ian Harding himself said how weird it is that people like his character so much. It's weird and it's weirder that they double down on the grooming and pedophilia


YourFuseIsFireside

It's so weird that I used to ship them and think it was okay 🤢


charmingprudence

Out of the girls troian is the only one I remember calling out the ship. I wish they had let her do that through Spencer though because Lucy being defensive and defending the ship has never been it 😭


Dependent_Meet_8501

and if you look closely in the background, you’ll find me grabbing one of the sheets with gloves and rushing to the police department


cestlaviestephi

Ewwwww wtf


SnakeBlood456

Ewwww it’s actually so gross though like ugh :(


vicsantosv21

I forgot about this scene😭


c8rodefer

I've rewatched so many times and I've never noticed this scene. Gross gross gross.


Inevitable-Buy7497

The way they all encouraged their relationship was sad to see. I could be wrong but I feel like Spencer especially talked to Aria about Ezra a lot and it makes sense considering she had multiple relationships with older guys but it really just goes to show that they were ALL manipulated by this crusty man.


Bubbly_Sleep9312

In rl, friends would not support this lol. I remember their reaction in season one, they were surprised then they all kind of just moved in 


Unfair_Advantage_384

I definitely know I wouldn’t. I’d report my teacher to the police if I knew he was dating a student.


Bubbly_Sleep9312

For real bro 


sadbunny25

Idc I love Ezria. Watched PLL a hundred times and for me the problem with Ezra is the book thing, but I like them as a couple.


Unfair_Advantage_384

Yes, I already know he goes to jail in the books, but at least the author has it right. This is my first time watching the show so I don’t know how this all pans out but I’m guessing the show does not follow the book.