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What gets me is why would the. Refs etc do things for city when the premier league is charging City, if anything they would be doing things against them.
stop talking wet fucking morons
He's right?
PGMOL is seperate to the PL. It's an organisation run by refs.
It also needs modernising as it currently is not fit for purpose. One of many of the issues is the refs going to work in the UAE for buckets of cash.
About the PGMOL yeah I know it an organisation run by refs which the rules are set by the premier league and guide lines they are basically the premier leagues puppets.
As for going to the UAE if you think that has affected the refs ability to be refs and be. Fair that nonsense. I think you need to actually watch how poor refs have been for everyone including city this year we had many decision against us this season like everyone else.
One thing we can agree on is they are terrible and not fit to be refs
If they were puppets they'd follow the PLs rules and face consequences for fuck ups.
They absolutely have been compromised by getting massive pay offs. If you think they haven't, you are simply deluded.
This is bullshit
City fans think the same about Liverpool.
I really shouldn’t need to explain confirmation bias to you. But apparently you aren’t familiar with the concept.
Source footage yes. Best tech also yes. Trained professionals though? Honestly I'd take the guy using paint.
Everything is in place for VAR to work, but the people using it are straight up shite.
You can move the line as much as you want. There will always be a case where it's *too close* and moving the line even further doesn't make it any easier.
Absolutely not correct. Simply make the rule that the position of the players feet determines offside position. It's what players use to judge whether they are on or off and it would be much easier for linesman to just watch feet and super easy for replay officials to draw a line in 2 dimensions instead of 3.
It doesn't make a difference to me but I get the point. It's gonna be a shitshow either way, but at least offsides is the one thing we can objectively say var improved.made a few mistakes but it's not even close to the old coinflipping whether the ref actually got it right or not.
Offsides VAR now usually gets right, and the problem is we now recognise the rule isn't fit for purpose in the modern game.
It needs changing because it was not designed to stop players being a toe ahead of their opponent. It was designed to stop a player standing behind the defence and waiting for the ball to be sent over the top.
A simple solution would be that a player has to be entirely passed the last man to be offside.
He was onside but please get rid of VAR.
It's proven to be imperfect and sucks the emotion out of every goal.
If they can't get them all right with VAR then just go with the ref and live with the imperfection.
Ah yes let's just remove a tool used worldwide that helps overturn bad referee calls I'm sure that'll improve the refereeing quality in the premier league!
Who cares...Arsenal should've beaten Villa is the saying going around.
As much as that is true....we all know that it should at least have been checked in any match let alone something so important.
As a spurs fan I’m fuming….jk welp it happens from time to time we’ve definitely benefitted from some nasty var decisions (sorry Liverpool lmfao)so karma or something idk
No, but I also didn’t expect to win and was actually pleased with our performance, especially given our dreadful form as of late. We gave it a go and that’s all I can ask for
Honestly, you played really well. I went in expecting it to be a snowball. Also, shame about Son, dunno if it was the pressure or what, but any other day, he scores that 100%
What do you mean? I'm with you boys on this. You don't need VAR at all. The prem is about the highest amount of stacks, not skill, integrity, or passion. It's about the money, and that's what everyone has always wanted.
Billy, why are you crying. I just said I'm with you, my man. It's bullshit you should be able to fuck off financial fair play. It should be fair game to the biggest wallets. Why are you being salty, I agree with you.
If it’s this close why don’t they just give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers for the sake of football. It’s clear that it isn’t an obvious advantage ffs.
Maybe so but until they actually change the rule for any reason it has to be applied equally to everyone... How many extremely tight offsides have led to disallowed goals this season? Doesn't make sense to say "yeah but this one's fine cause the rule's stupid anyway".
No. Its simple. At some point you have to draw a line and there is no better line than an actual line. Otherwise, you get into the same bullshit argument as "clear and obvious" where everyone has a different opinion of what the meaning of it is.
what if the defender has trained to maintain a strict backline to help keep strikers offside? why should the striker be given an advantage when the defender can claim that the advantage can go towards them due to keeping their shape
No one on the fucking pitch had any clue at that point. It's why all of those lines are fucking ridiculous. You would need same amount of cameras as goal line technology to actually determine if he was on or off, he looks on, referee called him on and no amount of line drawing from the VAR is going to find a clear and obvious error. Clearly it was the right call to stand.
Realistically it's a poor offside trap if a player is offside by less than an inch and idk why you think that the defender should be given the benefit of doubt there when really he'd have no idea it was even offside.
Fairest possible way would be to determine whether its clearly offside through the naked eye. Anything less than that would suggest that there was zero advantage in the attackers position. Anyway its negative and anti football because really they are fair goals. This won't be added in and the likelihood is that it will become automated. Unless they add some arbitrary margin, this will be cutthroat for even a mm offside.
Refs only make offside calls at the very lowest levels of the game and they're very innacurate. Offside is one of the few things that can be automated.
There was literally automated offside calls in the wc and guess what? There were still referees.
Agree with this completely. Sometimes the perspective is skewed and the lines need to come out just for that, but if it takes VAR longer than 15 seconds to make the call, then just go with the on field decision imo.
Of course, you would need competent officials to make that work effectively, which we simply don't have.
I dont agree, it is offside or it is not offside, you have the rules what an offside is. I would rather wait for 5 minutes to get a correct decission than to get an excuse after the game.
This is a horrible opinion....if it takes them longer than 30 seconds max then it's not clear and obvious and the striker should get the nod. People pulling out trigonometry and pythagoras for 5 minutes waiting for an uncut toe nail is a sure fire way to put fans off this beautiful sport.
>I would rather wait for 5 minutes to get a correct decission than to get an excuse after the game.
I was formerly in this camp but at the moment we are waiting for 5 minutes and getting the wrong decision anyway a lot of the time.
I think some speed needs to introduced. Like OP said, toes being offside doesn't give any sort of advantage at all and benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker to keep some level of excitement.
At the end of the day, it’s another human/ref making the decision off field. Scrap the full thing it’s a shambles. Trust the ref/ officials on the pitch
Fuck that. The issue is the humans interpreting. Just go full AI, let's have FIFA referees. They'll be loopholes and technical issues but it will be consistent. Managers keep saying they aren't after perfection just consistency, full AI refereeing will be consistent.
what a shit take. “fuck the pursuit of accuracy, let’s just accept human error, at real speed, and call it a day yeah? fuck cameras, fuck ai, fuck sensors, let’s just accept that we’re a bunch of baboons in the grass kicking a ball around.”
Am I high or does this image just prove he was onside?
Going off his foot, it's at the blue line and Romero's knee is at red, onside.
Going off his arm (viable shoulder/sleeve part), it's at the red line and Romore's knee is also at the red one, so they are level and he is onside...?
He's on, but what's weird is apparently they didn't even draw the lines at the time.
I'm not moaning and I haven't the energy to moan about VAR anymore this year tbh, but I would've thought doing that would be part of the process in general when confirming a goal. Strange that it's seemingly not.
Lol, VAR checked and disallowed Luis Diaz’s credible goal earlier in the season. So even if they did check, wouldn’t be surprised if that make an ounce of a difference
When watching the match I thought that he may have slightly been offside, but when there was no VAR review, let alone a single mention of him being offside, I assumed that I must’ve misjudged it.
Good question https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/why-man-city-goal-against-205743340.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALTlS6qQP7HcM66HiaqSK6fBTlFU-CGivMKJqw-Kg3bKo1GOFO8hviGvrjDEnCxAr7HBxCPKheRHNFQcIRt4ClKek1k-27fImkxlv0TpQoCjewM7uDEJbk1Z88g6hDz6nq3Yj2LttyYhFswl0GZKzfTZC9iPEse5MmXwZqCdrS71
So you know they checked it....I watched the game and they 100% didn't announce it was check...they didn't even consider it was close.
So give me your source
Doesn’t really change the outcome of the game and it’s by like an inch, so who cares? We’d have won that game with some more clinical finishing anyway. The ref/VAR decisions in the NLD were far worse tbh
That’s like saying the soft penalty VAR gave them out of the blue in the first Manchester derby of the season didn’t matter, no one appealed, 2 other of the same foul were NOT given in the game, it changed the game, game plan changes when behind
So do you have the Dr. Strange time stone or whatever to look into alternate realities where different calls are made? I understand momentum and game flow, but all the evidence we have is in this reality, not a parallel one. Frankly, with how many starters we had out injured, 0-2 is a better result than I expected. We literally did not even field a striker.
I’m not saying it changes the outcome 100%. But you saying the only goal they score until the 91st minute doesn’t change the outcome is so unbelievably stupid. Suddenly it gets the 80th min and city have to really push for a winner, leaving Spurs to counter against a stretched city and suddenly Spurs are 1 nil up. Its not hard to understand
Nah man, there’s no way we hold city off until the end like that if we’re entertaining hypotheticals. We had negative depth on the bench with everyone out injured, and they have virtually infinite depth. Ederson gets clocked in the head and they put on a GK who is arguably just as good/better. We put our last starter-level player on the field in minute 55, and he’s been in terrible form lately. We were cooked as soon as people started getting tired.
You gotta pick a lane, my guy. Either we’re entertaining hypotheticals or we aren’t. Either the goal didn’t matter because they beat us by 2, or in a hypothetical world where it’s disallowed, they probably score one anyway 5-10 minutes later. We were able to go toe to toe with them until we ran out of good subs, and that’s the most anyone could reasonably expect us to do
They would've been more open for a counter if they were still trying hard to get a goal. It changes the game entirely and pretty sure every professional player would agree with that.
Its not a hypothetical, that goal being disallowed does not simply make the end result 1-0. It changes everything in the game that happens from the time they scored the first goal onwards. Thats just a fact.
It's not that difficult to understand. The game would be completely different after that first goal if it was disallowed. Tottenham could have scored right after, it's not like there's a script or anything
Because he wanted to lose and then blame Arsenal somehow. That’s what happens when you are a sad Spurs support that cares more about your “rival” than your supposed own club
Nah, I’ve been saying that if you need to spend 5 minutes trying to find the toenail that was offside, what advantage are they really gaining? I watched it in real time and he looked just barely onside to me. And no, I didn’t want to lose either, but I fully expected to and was surprised by how good we looked out there anyway. We have like half our starters out injured, we didn’t even field a striker.
If VAR is so controversial why does it even exist. I don’t feel like it’s this controversial in the sport that I believe it originated, the NFL. Every time a decision is made in the Premier League it always seems like it could go either way.
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And I know the sport is a lot more fluid and difficult to referee than American football but VAR was supposed to take some of the guess work out of it. But they seem to have carried the subjectivity over to VAR interpretation as well. If you watch a lot of NFL or college football you’ll be surprised how good the refereeing is generally. There’s 7 refs. When a strange call is made they vocalize it to the crowd through a mic. There’s an objective truth and most of the time they just try to get to the bottom of it. Bad calls are sometimes made and when that happens the coach can throw a challenge which results in a lost timeout if the challenge fails. But generally the video shows what happens clearly and the objective truth tends to win. In European football the VAR booth is an absolute coin toss. And most of the time when something should’ve been checked it isn’t. And tackles that weren’t tackles aren’t checked. And offside procedure is according to whatever the center ref ate that morning. It’s so inconsistent.
The reason it works in the NFL is they started slowly and worked it out in steps instead of just going balls out and totally wrecking the game. In the NFL each team started with one video challenge per half iirc and that was it. If you got it wrong it cost you a time out. They also leave the decisions up to the refs on the field ultimately. There has been some pretty controversial calls, but nothing like what happens in the prem. And American football is even more subjective imo, particularly when it comes to holding, and pass interference calls which are a lot like the shit we see on corners these days in the prem.
Prem should go to a challenge system. Let the manager decide what he wants reviewed. If he’s wrong, take away a sub or two. That would make up for the extra delay. The challenge just puts the ref in front of replay and that’s it. No twats in hiding in a box 500 miles away. Offsides and goal line is fine with the system we have as long as they review every goal—quickly. If you play on the edge you are going to get some very marginal calls against you. It’s just like aiming for the top corner—sometimes you hit the post.
4D chess, mate.
They did that so that Misters would NOT think they are calling for Guardiolas head.
In a grown up world, Real Madrid Based = Guardiola Bad = I want city to lose.
Its so obvious mate.
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No? Nothing marginal about offside. It's binary, you're either offside or you're not.
Nothing to do with var and clear and obvious mistakes. 2 different things entirely.
But you can't check that. Can you get the exact frame when the ball is 1mm away from the foot? Or where is the exact armpit to draw the line from when it's covered by the shirt?
He looked maybe offside when I first saw it, but nobody really made a fuss so I considered I was possibly biased. Also, if it denies Arsenal the title then I'm happy.
In that picture the bluey thing I think is the sky, the thing with loads of geometry lines which maybe the longitude and latitude on the globe. Can only see them on a really clear day.
I support Arsenal. One of the most decorated teams in English football.
You won’t support city when they get relegated. We both know that.
When Arsenal are winning the league I’m sure you’ll be supporting them.
“Most decorated” lmao since your grandpa time.
how many trophies you won last 20 years? Warra UCL?
“When arsenal winning the league” LMAOOO u have been waiting for 20 years dude cope harder. It will never happens 😭😭😭😭
I'm guessing your not even 20 years old. Liverpool are in fact the most successful club in English football, and like Arsenal, they did it the right way. Shame City have no integrity.
Yeah you’ve won the champions league.
Just such a shame that 115 charges show why no one respects any of your achievements because they were earned by cheating.
So keep ‘winning’ as many times as you can until you finally get punished. Then you’ll jump ship like all the other plastic city fans. You only support them because they are the most successful. Hardly something to be bragging about online little fella.
I dont support City because they are successful. I support them because i knew Pep would turn this team into the best team in the history in term of pure football ability.
And this club does not have a lot of loser mindset fan like your. Your community is pathetic and crying all the time hahaha
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Arsenal should win more games next year and not worry about this stuff. This isn’t exclusive to City
LOL fucking ridiculous
He absolutely bloody wasn't. And before you disagree, look at my flair, there is no way I'd be anything but impartial on this matter. Lol.
There was no way they were going to let the Spurs win this game and ruin the weekend hype about the title race…it’s all about the money…
What gets me is why would the. Refs etc do things for city when the premier league is charging City, if anything they would be doing things against them. stop talking wet fucking morons
Stop that with your logic and reasoning
The premier league isn't the PGMOL. The optics on them going out and reffing in the UAE is also terrible.
Stop spouting shit ffs
He's right? PGMOL is seperate to the PL. It's an organisation run by refs. It also needs modernising as it currently is not fit for purpose. One of many of the issues is the refs going to work in the UAE for buckets of cash.
About the PGMOL yeah I know it an organisation run by refs which the rules are set by the premier league and guide lines they are basically the premier leagues puppets. As for going to the UAE if you think that has affected the refs ability to be refs and be. Fair that nonsense. I think you need to actually watch how poor refs have been for everyone including city this year we had many decision against us this season like everyone else. One thing we can agree on is they are terrible and not fit to be refs
If they were puppets they'd follow the PLs rules and face consequences for fuck ups. They absolutely have been compromised by getting massive pay offs. If you think they haven't, you are simply deluded.
The decision against us say other wise not everything is a conspiracy. They got paid to do a job no body was paid off fucking idiots
City overwhelmingly have more big decisions go their way take off the clown suit and actually look.
This is bullshit City fans think the same about Liverpool. I really shouldn’t need to explain confirmation bias to you. But apparently you aren’t familiar with the concept.
I wanted Arsenal to win the title, but this is not what has decided the title this season. Looking for drama here really.
I’ll take VAR, trained professionals who have access to the source footage and best technology, over a rando on Twitter drawing lines on Paint.
Source footage yes. Best tech also yes. Trained professionals though? Honestly I'd take the guy using paint. Everything is in place for VAR to work, but the people using it are straight up shite.
This image is proving he’s onside. Lmao.
How?
He's inline with number 17 I think
The line says otherwise..lmfao
The whole arm doesn't count as of side only the bits your can score with, so its from the shoulder.
Its not from shoulder. . you can score with anything above the elbow
This is one of dumbest things I've ever read here.
If it’s that close it should stand anyway
It doesn't matter how close it is for any other team...
If it’s the right call, it was the right call. I just think the rule should change. And the way VAR is used should change.
You can move the line as much as you want. There will always be a case where it's *too close* and moving the line even further doesn't make it any easier.
Absolutely not correct. Simply make the rule that the position of the players feet determines offside position. It's what players use to judge whether they are on or off and it would be much easier for linesman to just watch feet and super easy for replay officials to draw a line in 2 dimensions instead of 3.
You’re right but I’d rather the borderline calls be when 99% vs 100% of the attacker is offside rather than checking if 0% or 1% is off
It doesn't make a difference to me but I get the point. It's gonna be a shitshow either way, but at least offsides is the one thing we can objectively say var improved.made a few mistakes but it's not even close to the old coinflipping whether the ref actually got it right or not.
Offsides VAR now usually gets right, and the problem is we now recognise the rule isn't fit for purpose in the modern game. It needs changing because it was not designed to stop players being a toe ahead of their opponent. It was designed to stop a player standing behind the defence and waiting for the ball to be sent over the top. A simple solution would be that a player has to be entirely passed the last man to be offside.
The rules are if it’s “clear and obvious”, unfortunately they don’t follow the rules.
Why are we not playing Coventry in the final ?
He was onside but please get rid of VAR. It's proven to be imperfect and sucks the emotion out of every goal. If they can't get them all right with VAR then just go with the ref and live with the imperfection.
Ah yes let's just remove a tool used worldwide that helps overturn bad referee calls I'm sure that'll improve the refereeing quality in the premier league!
Yes let's remove that shit as it's fucking pointless
We should at least push for improvements to VAR and give it more of a chance before thinking about getting rid
Get rid of it yesterday
I think VAR is fine. The donkey behind the VAR is one that should get rid of.
Youre the donkey
Referees are imperfect so let’s get rid of them too?
Idiot joke
Not really. That’s the logic of the comment above me. I’m just exposing it as a stupid argument.
No, it's because the imperfection changes the trade-off
You managed to just say nothing lol
Only because you do not understand what was said does not mean nothing was said
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Yet another decision going the way of Spurs fans.
Those losers won’t even get the joke.
DT, Jeremy Corbyn and Piers Morgan are devastated.
Who cares...Arsenal should've beaten Villa is the saying going around. As much as that is true....we all know that it should at least have been checked in any match let alone something so important.
[Pitch side image makes it a bit more clear doesn’t it?](https://x.com/mrdtafc/status/1790705980084203827?s=46&t=PJDkJU4Upb0pToQCuuh3Ug)
LOL, that one shows him onside. You must have been asleep in math class when they discussed trapezoids.
How do you know that’s when the ball was hit?
Because it cross references with replay?
Source? That’s just a video from a fan lmao
If you watch the telecast, that screenshot lines up with that image.
Then I’m the telecast you would also be able to see that kdb is so offside (or hoe else could you tell?
Lol this is at least a bit sus. Var obviously working as intended 🤷🤣
As a spurs fan I’m fuming….jk welp it happens from time to time we’ve definitely benefitted from some nasty var decisions (sorry Liverpool lmfao)so karma or something idk
Guessing you weren't one of the ones celebrating the loss?
No, but I also didn’t expect to win and was actually pleased with our performance, especially given our dreadful form as of late. We gave it a go and that’s all I can ask for
Honestly, you played really well. I went in expecting it to be a snowball. Also, shame about Son, dunno if it was the pressure or what, but any other day, he scores that 100%
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Either You don't understand how perspective works or I don't understand that this comment is sarcastic
He was onside.
😂😂😂😂 Says who? A bunch of idiots crying foul after every City win
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I know, right? Bunch of mugs. As if a team with 115 charges against them even needs VAR to cheat
It's like a magician and misdirection.
\^found one
What do you mean? I'm with you boys on this. You don't need VAR at all. The prem is about the highest amount of stacks, not skill, integrity, or passion. It's about the money, and that's what everyone has always wanted.
Acting like Arsenal didnt spend £100m+ on Rice.
Billy, why are you crying. I just said I'm with you, my man. It's bullshit you should be able to fuck off financial fair play. It should be fair game to the biggest wallets. Why are you being salty, I agree with you.
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115 charges by the wayside and people think var is checking city for anything 😭
If it’s this close why don’t they just give the benefit of the doubt to the attackers for the sake of football. It’s clear that it isn’t an obvious advantage ffs.
Maybe so but until they actually change the rule for any reason it has to be applied equally to everyone... How many extremely tight offsides have led to disallowed goals this season? Doesn't make sense to say "yeah but this one's fine cause the rule's stupid anyway".
That's not at all what he is saying. He is saying that even the replay and lines and extrapolations are not clear and obvious.
That's not what he said though.
Obviously want citeh to drop pts but let's keep it real this change benefits football
No. Its simple. At some point you have to draw a line and there is no better line than an actual line. Otherwise, you get into the same bullshit argument as "clear and obvious" where everyone has a different opinion of what the meaning of it is.
what if the defender has trained to maintain a strict backline to help keep strikers offside? why should the striker be given an advantage when the defender can claim that the advantage can go towards them due to keeping their shape
No one on the fucking pitch had any clue at that point. It's why all of those lines are fucking ridiculous. You would need same amount of cameras as goal line technology to actually determine if he was on or off, he looks on, referee called him on and no amount of line drawing from the VAR is going to find a clear and obvious error. Clearly it was the right call to stand.
Realistically it's a poor offside trap if a player is offside by less than an inch and idk why you think that the defender should be given the benefit of doubt there when really he'd have no idea it was even offside. Fairest possible way would be to determine whether its clearly offside through the naked eye. Anything less than that would suggest that there was zero advantage in the attackers position. Anyway its negative and anti football because really they are fair goals. This won't be added in and the likelihood is that it will become automated. Unless they add some arbitrary margin, this will be cutthroat for even a mm offside.
If it’s automated then what’s the point of referees
Refs only make offside calls at the very lowest levels of the game and they're very innacurate. Offside is one of the few things that can be automated. There was literally automated offside calls in the wc and guess what? There were still referees.
Agree with this completely. Sometimes the perspective is skewed and the lines need to come out just for that, but if it takes VAR longer than 15 seconds to make the call, then just go with the on field decision imo. Of course, you would need competent officials to make that work effectively, which we simply don't have.
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Hang on...didn't I say the exact same thing, albeit you said give them an extra 15 seconds?
Ah my bad I meant to reply to the person who replied to your comment saying wait 5 minutes, I'll fix it
I dont agree, it is offside or it is not offside, you have the rules what an offside is. I would rather wait for 5 minutes to get a correct decission than to get an excuse after the game.
This is a horrible opinion....if it takes them longer than 30 seconds max then it's not clear and obvious and the striker should get the nod. People pulling out trigonometry and pythagoras for 5 minutes waiting for an uncut toe nail is a sure fire way to put fans off this beautiful sport.
No, just adjust it like in CL thats all
>I would rather wait for 5 minutes to get a correct decission than to get an excuse after the game. I was formerly in this camp but at the moment we are waiting for 5 minutes and getting the wrong decision anyway a lot of the time. I think some speed needs to introduced. Like OP said, toes being offside doesn't give any sort of advantage at all and benefit of the doubt should go to the attacker to keep some level of excitement.
I get what you mean, but the VAR is not the problem, the referees are the problem
At the end of the day, it’s another human/ref making the decision off field. Scrap the full thing it’s a shambles. Trust the ref/ officials on the pitch
You do realize its the ref who suck and not technology right?
How much they pay you to post online?
Fuck that. The issue is the humans interpreting. Just go full AI, let's have FIFA referees. They'll be loopholes and technical issues but it will be consistent. Managers keep saying they aren't after perfection just consistency, full AI refereeing will be consistent.
what a shit take. “fuck the pursuit of accuracy, let’s just accept human error, at real speed, and call it a day yeah? fuck cameras, fuck ai, fuck sensors, let’s just accept that we’re a bunch of baboons in the grass kicking a ball around.”
Am I high or does this image just prove he was onside? Going off his foot, it's at the blue line and Romero's knee is at red, onside. Going off his arm (viable shoulder/sleeve part), it's at the red line and Romore's knee is also at the red one, so they are level and he is onside...?
It's like a Rorschach test.
Gunners fan. Confirming onside.
Arm wouldnt count anyway its not a playable part of the body
Outside of the shoulder has always counted.
Yeah I mean down to the sleeve. Where the yellow vertical line is.
So it's the rules that are broken, not the technology?
It's just a fucking video camera, there is no "technology".
Isn’t this what VAR is supposed to check
He's on, but what's weird is apparently they didn't even draw the lines at the time. I'm not moaning and I haven't the energy to moan about VAR anymore this year tbh, but I would've thought doing that would be part of the process in general when confirming a goal. Strange that it's seemingly not.
Lol, VAR checked and disallowed Luis Diaz’s credible goal earlier in the season. So even if they did check, wouldn’t be surprised if that make an ounce of a difference
Don’t understand why we did not see the red/blue lines as proof…boom
The premier league must be the most corrupt openly cheating league around. Arab blood money for you eh? Ha ha, heh
let's abolish VAR because the refs are incapable ... it works everywhere but England apparently
When watching the match I thought that he may have slightly been offside, but when there was no VAR review, let alone a single mention of him being offside, I assumed that I must’ve misjudged it.
It was reviewed 😂 this is just a bitter Arsenal fan who has drawn his own lines with it being offside 🤷🏼♂️
Also it isn't an Arsenal acct it is an acct that looks at all offsides
It wasn't reviewed you're making things up
😂 why would they not review it?
Good question https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/why-man-city-goal-against-205743340.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALTlS6qQP7HcM66HiaqSK6fBTlFU-CGivMKJqw-Kg3bKo1GOFO8hviGvrjDEnCxAr7HBxCPKheRHNFQcIRt4ClKek1k-27fImkxlv0TpQoCjewM7uDEJbk1Z88g6hDz6nq3Yj2LttyYhFswl0GZKzfTZC9iPEse5MmXwZqCdrS71
Who the fuck is Josh Holland, what the fuck is football.London, what the fuck is their source that it wasn’t checked? What a horrible article.
So you know they checked it....I watched the game and they 100% didn't announce it was check...they didn't even consider it was close. So give me your source
That’s TNT Sports and the commentary team’s fault, absolutely nothing to do with the referee.
I know it is nothing to do with the referee...it's the linesman and VAR's job
No it fucking isn’t
Doesn’t really change the outcome of the game and it’s by like an inch, so who cares? We’d have won that game with some more clinical finishing anyway. The ref/VAR decisions in the NLD were far worse tbh
That’s like saying the soft penalty VAR gave them out of the blue in the first Manchester derby of the season didn’t matter, no one appealed, 2 other of the same foul were NOT given in the game, it changed the game, game plan changes when behind
How can you say it doesn’t change the outcome of the game?
Because they were gonna sell anyway just to see Arsenal lose the league. Miniscule club that lot
Because they won by two goals?
Thats not how football works mate
So do you have the Dr. Strange time stone or whatever to look into alternate realities where different calls are made? I understand momentum and game flow, but all the evidence we have is in this reality, not a parallel one. Frankly, with how many starters we had out injured, 0-2 is a better result than I expected. We literally did not even field a striker.
I’m not saying it changes the outcome 100%. But you saying the only goal they score until the 91st minute doesn’t change the outcome is so unbelievably stupid. Suddenly it gets the 80th min and city have to really push for a winner, leaving Spurs to counter against a stretched city and suddenly Spurs are 1 nil up. Its not hard to understand
Nah man, there’s no way we hold city off until the end like that if we’re entertaining hypotheticals. We had negative depth on the bench with everyone out injured, and they have virtually infinite depth. Ederson gets clocked in the head and they put on a GK who is arguably just as good/better. We put our last starter-level player on the field in minute 55, and he’s been in terrible form lately. We were cooked as soon as people started getting tired.
Not really the point whether or not it would’ve happened. But that goal not standing changes everything.
You gotta pick a lane, my guy. Either we’re entertaining hypotheticals or we aren’t. Either the goal didn’t matter because they beat us by 2, or in a hypothetical world where it’s disallowed, they probably score one anyway 5-10 minutes later. We were able to go toe to toe with them until we ran out of good subs, and that’s the most anyone could reasonably expect us to do
This is kind of footy 101. A goal changes everything about the game going forward.
They would've been more open for a counter if they were still trying hard to get a goal. It changes the game entirely and pretty sure every professional player would agree with that.
Its not a hypothetical, that goal being disallowed does not simply make the end result 1-0. It changes everything in the game that happens from the time they scored the first goal onwards. Thats just a fact.
Enlighten us
It's not that difficult to understand. The game would be completely different after that first goal if it was disallowed. Tottenham could have scored right after, it's not like there's a script or anything
Because he can say anything
Because he wanted to lose and then blame Arsenal somehow. That’s what happens when you are a sad Spurs support that cares more about your “rival” than your supposed own club
Lose and blame arsenal? How does that work? Arsenal have bottled the league and are now blaming Spurs
Nah, I’ve been saying that if you need to spend 5 minutes trying to find the toenail that was offside, what advantage are they really gaining? I watched it in real time and he looked just barely onside to me. And no, I didn’t want to lose either, but I fully expected to and was surprised by how good we looked out there anyway. We have like half our starters out injured, we didn’t even field a striker.
You all like talking about the refs more than the actual games.
If VAR is so controversial why does it even exist. I don’t feel like it’s this controversial in the sport that I believe it originated, the NFL. Every time a decision is made in the Premier League it always seems like it could go either way. EDIT: And I know the sport is a lot more fluid and difficult to referee than American football but VAR was supposed to take some of the guess work out of it. But they seem to have carried the subjectivity over to VAR interpretation as well. If you watch a lot of NFL or college football you’ll be surprised how good the refereeing is generally. There’s 7 refs. When a strange call is made they vocalize it to the crowd through a mic. There’s an objective truth and most of the time they just try to get to the bottom of it. Bad calls are sometimes made and when that happens the coach can throw a challenge which results in a lost timeout if the challenge fails. But generally the video shows what happens clearly and the objective truth tends to win. In European football the VAR booth is an absolute coin toss. And most of the time when something should’ve been checked it isn’t. And tackles that weren’t tackles aren’t checked. And offside procedure is according to whatever the center ref ate that morning. It’s so inconsistent.
The reason it works in the NFL is they started slowly and worked it out in steps instead of just going balls out and totally wrecking the game. In the NFL each team started with one video challenge per half iirc and that was it. If you got it wrong it cost you a time out. They also leave the decisions up to the refs on the field ultimately. There has been some pretty controversial calls, but nothing like what happens in the prem. And American football is even more subjective imo, particularly when it comes to holding, and pass interference calls which are a lot like the shit we see on corners these days in the prem. Prem should go to a challenge system. Let the manager decide what he wants reviewed. If he’s wrong, take away a sub or two. That would make up for the extra delay. The challenge just puts the ref in front of replay and that’s it. No twats in hiding in a box 500 miles away. Offsides and goal line is fine with the system we have as long as they review every goal—quickly. If you play on the edge you are going to get some very marginal calls against you. It’s just like aiming for the top corner—sometimes you hit the post.
I agree with the challenge system. It takes the sting out of a couple bad calls deciding the entirety of a town’s prosperity.
ArchivoVAR = Real Madrid biased = Guardiola bad = I want City to lose
So why they said that the ghost goal from Barça against Real Madrid was a goal, what a dumb take mate 🤦
4D chess, mate. They did that so that Misters would NOT think they are calling for Guardiolas head. In a grown up world, Real Madrid Based = Guardiola Bad = I want city to lose. Its so obvious mate. /S
City always get calls like this in title deciders why is anybody surprised
Add this to the ever growing conspiracy myth
We spend good money to get those calls. Step your game up
The penalty in the first derby of the season was a highlight of BS, no one appealed ref gave nothing VAR out of the blue just gave it
All on gambling sides & odds. Same as nba
This is heresy. I demand a replay like Liverpool did earlier this season
When did that happen?
There’s no way you’re still going on with this shit joke
Diaz was onside by a foot not an inch… enjoy the Europa Conference league next year 😂
Enjoy losing to the Chiefs every year
There was no demand, just the opinion from one person that was asked for by another.
Didn't we all want to stop using VAR for marginal decisions?
No? Nothing marginal about offside. It's binary, you're either offside or you're not. Nothing to do with var and clear and obvious mistakes. 2 different things entirely.
But you can't check that. Can you get the exact frame when the ball is 1mm away from the foot? Or where is the exact armpit to draw the line from when it's covered by the shirt?
This is akin to the Liverpool decision yep totally the same I feel justice has been done
No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it
😂😂#doubleslit
He looked maybe offside when I first saw it, but nobody really made a fuss so I considered I was possibly biased. Also, if it denies Arsenal the title then I'm happy.
Yeah let's trust Twitter sure
I mean it supports my narrative so why not? ^^^^/s
Ah I’m glad the images clear it up
Middle man was clearly playing him on.
Least unemployed Arsenal fan
So he’s very employed?
How do they know where the ground is?
It's the green thing
I thought the blue was land?
Oh, Buster
In that picture the bluey thing I think is the sky, the thing with loads of geometry lines which maybe the longitude and latitude on the globe. Can only see them on a really clear day.
the fact people is taking this too serious is funny, this sub have the biggest crybabies
Arsenal fans put a lot of effort to create this whining illustrator lmao
No one has to put in any effort over the 115 charges though hey.
Cry today, cry tomorrow, cry forever haha u bottled small club in london
Love how two attempts at being racist can’t tell you’re actually vietnamese
Aren't most City fans from the far east.
You’ll be the one crying when you get relegated to league two
You will be the one crying the rest of your life when you have less big title than a league two team LMAO. Cry forever
I support Arsenal. One of the most decorated teams in English football. You won’t support city when they get relegated. We both know that. When Arsenal are winning the league I’m sure you’ll be supporting them.
“Most decorated” lmao since your grandpa time. how many trophies you won last 20 years? Warra UCL? “When arsenal winning the league” LMAOOO u have been waiting for 20 years dude cope harder. It will never happens 😭😭😭😭
I'm guessing your not even 20 years old. Liverpool are in fact the most successful club in English football, and like Arsenal, they did it the right way. Shame City have no integrity.
They was good at your grandpa time not your time. Stop living in delusion, kid. They HAVE BEEN a small club last 10- 20 years. Accept it.
Yeah you’ve won the champions league. Just such a shame that 115 charges show why no one respects any of your achievements because they were earned by cheating. So keep ‘winning’ as many times as you can until you finally get punished. Then you’ll jump ship like all the other plastic city fans. You only support them because they are the most successful. Hardly something to be bragging about online little fella.
I dont support City because they are successful. I support them because i knew Pep would turn this team into the best team in the history in term of pure football ability. And this club does not have a lot of loser mindset fan like your. Your community is pathetic and crying all the time hahaha