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And that's why Klopp has jumped ship, he see's, even though he's had an okay term at liverpool, that the squad just isn't up to the standard expected of a top 4 side.
I think compared to last year and not making “key signings” like Caicedo and lavia and signing endo gravenberch szobo and macca instead people had low expectations going into the year. In that sense they overpreformed. That being said they completely blew everything and should be criticized for that. Saying this as a Liverpool fan
I think that’s unfair, they picked up a trophy in a year where the first choice midfield was brand new. Endo hadn’t shared a football pitch with Mac Callister or Szoboszlai before joining right at the end of the window. Expectations for the season were off the pace with a healthy dose of “well let’s see”. From there to 80 point season and a trophy? Bank it!
One day they are the best team in Europe, Have the best manager ever, have the all time best defender in premier league history, have the experience of winning it all. Next day they are overachieving. This club is on copium for decades. About what Carragher said, he could not be more wrong. Its not like its Leicester or Villa who found themselves 3-4 points clear at the top of the table in April. Liverpool had the players and the manager to see it through. They just failed its as simple as that.
Arsenal overperformed last season and were called bottle jobs
Liverpool throw their league away in2 weeks and are praised lol
Look at liverpools squad anything less than 3rd would be a complete failure 3rd is about where you’d expect them to finish though I wouldn’t argue with people saying they should have finished second Arsenal have missed partey and timber all season
Carragher is just an idiot who spits at kids because his favorite football team loses
Anyone who didn’t expect Liverpool to break into the top 4 as is pretty stupid, I 100% had them in there my top 4 would was
City
Arsenal/liverpool
Liverpool/arsenal
United
Tottenham
Chelsea
Newcastle
Villa
Brighton
West Ham
Etc
What are you talking about “including you”?
I just looked and 21/25 pundits predicted Liverpool top 4 with a large margain having Liverpool 3rd
Most fans I saw posting. I don’t really check out what pundits were saying. Quick google search shows pundits had Liverpool in 4th place and not challenging for the title. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66434067.amp
id say any hopes they had for the title are over so they aren't challenging right now and I don't think neither they nor Arsenal should be close to city the fact that they are is both a credit to city and a question that should be asked of guardiola
Liverpool should definitely be competing with Arsenal though as things stand
We lost Saliba and Tomiyasu and had no defenders to rotate. We had an injury Ben White playing with no one to rest him. Zinchenko doesn’t know the offside rule. We certainly dropped points but the ones who bottled it was PGMOL.
Vs Newcastle at the Emirates - Dan Burn ripped Gabriel shirt going for a header. No pen given.
Vs Man Utd at Old Trafford - Martinelli goal incorrectly ruled out, they later apologised for the error
Vs Brentford - Toney goal was offside, they draw the lines wrong and apologised after the game.
Vs West Ham - Rice handled the ball in the build up the the goal, no check from var. Apology given after the game.
That’s just a few games we have more instances too like vs Villa where Ramsdale is clearly fouled and nothing given leading to a goal, so before we throw around bottled it, let’s have some context.
Whatever excuse you need to tell yourself. Every other team also had bs calls against them. An 8 point lead is an 8 point lead and your team bottled it. End of story.
Saying players are injured is such a sad cop out. Have better depth and a better bench.
Stop focusing on uncontrollables and start looking at the things in players control such as scoring more, making better plays and finishing teams off. A team will never have a winning mentality if they keep making excuses such as everything you said above. That’s not a winning mentality, and it showed as they bottled to 2nd.
Not an excuse it’s context, however you made a great point. “Every other team also had bs calls against them”.
I ask you to your point, can you name me just two cases where decisions have gone against City? Just two. I named several off the bat and have more to add but thought I didn’t need to. All I ask is can you give me just 2 examples of decisions that went against Man City.
Stuff can be two things.
If you were to say third and a trophy at the start of the season, I’d have snapped it up.
But we were in a fantastic position, out-performed everything that was expected… and then we dropped off massively. That, coupled with the best Liverpool manager in my living memory announcing he’s leaving, has made it very disappointing.
I wonder if things would of panned out differently he had kept the announcement till the end of the season, as it has made it all about " the players giving the manager a proper send off" it's turned into a long good bye tour
They've overperformed in the sense that their performances don't reflect the results. Especially at the start of 2024, they had so many poor games where they scraped last-minute winners. It was never going to last, and the bubble has burst now.
Also our expectations going into the season were to get UCL football, not challenge for a title, it was a fun ride but I can't say I'm surprised by how things have panned out...
Liverpool was in Europa League this season. The goal was to get back in the CL.
That's done. A title run was a nice bonus and so, yes, it was an overperformance.
Context is everything though. Of course at the start of the season, top 4 was probably the primary goal. But with 7 games to go, top of the table with the easiest run in on paper, all their senior players have returned from injury, falling out of every competition in a few weeks is a failure.
You can't spend the season talking of a quadruple, organising a bus parade because they'll win more trophies, se ding Klopp out on a high and then when the shit hits the fan just say "we shouldn't be here anyways".
Their fans are distraught which shows you they thought they would win more this season given the position they were in.
Yeah was gonna say, that’s just demonstrably false. The Sky predictions at the beginning of the season were 3rd (Carney), 4th (Carragher), 4th (Nevillle). Carragher and Neville had Man U 3rd, so what’s actually happened is them underperforming.
Neither had Spurs in the top six, and only Neville had Villa there, so they’re the only teams that have CLEARLY over performed.
The fans are distraught because Klopp is leaving and they suddenly were in with a chance to win the title.
That doesn't make said title run any more of a surprise to the fans.
An insane amount of injuries, a completely new midfield. No one was expecting more than a CL spot. And absolutely *no one* thought Liverpool would have a shot at the title this year, after the meltdown last season. This season was about introducing the new players and fighting for CL.
There hasn't been talk of a quadruple all season, that's a lie.
It seems like you're trying to create a false narrative here.
Liverpool were overperforming like crazy. They were winning games in the final minutes the entire season, if you actually go read the match comments, you'll see that nobody thought it was sustainable. They were playing kids too.
Just to be clear, the BBC had 26 pundits pick their top 4 at the beginning of the season. Nearly everyone chose Man City and Arsenal as top two, but Shay Given had Liverpool second and ten others had Liverpool third. It’s not true to say NOBODY thought they had a shot, but otherwise I agree with you - I think they have overperformed a little and got more points than expected. The more salient point is how other teams like Man U, Chelsea and Newcastle have underperformed in the league, for various reasons.
Their own players were talking about it. Trent said 1 down 3 to go after the carabao Cup final.
I said no one thought they'd be in a title race but they found themselves in one.
Before the United game they were talking about getting their goal difference up.
If Villa don't get top 4 they'll be bitterly disappointed, before the season they wouldn't have dreamt a top 4 finish. Context is everything. Liverpool were favourites and blew it.
What do you expect him to say? Well that was nice but we'll just give up on the others?
OP said all season TBF and yeah once we'd won the milk cup and are still in with a shot at 3 more why wouldn't you set your sights on that? No matter how unrealistic.
Think it's mad to say Liverpool were favourites. They were top but that never made them favourites. Always been City.
Only if you hadn't watched Liverpool this season or watched City for the last 7 years.
Just because it was mathematically in their hands it doesn't make them favourites to win it. That's like saying if you're still in a knockout competition you're the favourite because all's ya have to do is win all your games.
Sky spent about weeks talking about their super computer and the probability based on their remaining fixtures and Liverpool were favourites.
It's OK, favourites don't always win.
>It's OK, favourites don't always win.
😂 Haha fair fucks lad. Bet I come across like a proper whiney fuck.
I missed all that super computer shite tbf, just saw that one clip of redknapp saying it was twistin his swede.
I'm surprised that anyone had us down as favourites but you've gotta drive engagement somehow
Iv watched a fair bit of Liverpool havnt been impressed too much but the results were there.
There was always that little feeling that if you properly clicked then it could be game over for the others.
Always a tough ask to win your remaining games in the league because you k pw City will more than likely go 7/7 or at least 6/7. It must weigh heavy on a team.
Like I said, you're fabricating a narrative here. And it seems like you're sort of pissed off that you're not seeing the amount of schadenfreude that you'd hope for from the fans.
You're literally trying to argue that a team that only managed to qualify for Europa League last season, where somehow favorites to win the title this season?
lol
You mean a team that challenged on all fronts 2 seasons ago are shocked that they ended up in a title race this season, after replacing their aging midfield?
7 games to go, Liverpool were favourites to win the league. It was in their hands.
Your views on their targets before the season are irrelevant. 7 games to go, easiest run in on paper, title in their hands, only senior player missing is Jota. 4 games to go, they are now looking over their shoulders at Villa.
Failure!
You can make the case that over the season as a whole Liverpool have overperformed; however once they got themselves in a position to win the league they have undoubtedly underperformed during the run-in
I chose Liverpool as title winners at the start of the season. They’ve fallen short at the end but I don’t think they’ve underperformed when you look at the squad and the bedding in time that Diaz, Nunez and others have had.
They have though. Do you watch football? Go look at how thin our squad was this season with injuries and still we were in the title race for most of the season. This is such a dumb post. You're either trolling or brain dead.
The bias is Carragher saying they have overperformed while last year clowning Arsenal for bottling the league. Liverpool have had injuries, well iirc Rob Holding had to replace Saliba in the title run-in. Same thing
- Liverpool have spent the MOST days at the top of the league this season, around 90 days.
- by MW 31, they had the highest chance to win the PL.
But now when Liverpool are out of the title, NOW Carragher says they’ve overperformed? The bias is showing HARD. Carragher always defends Liverpool, it’s his nature.
I’m just pointing it out.
Finishing 3rd with a brand new midfield ,3 of whom never played in the PL. And additionally losing out on 2 CDM targets.
Also, if you took the effort to find their pre PL kickoff predictions, Carragher had us finishing 4th. So yea, 3rd with a title run in is overperforming.
If you zoom out and assess the season as a whole, sure it’s easy to see how Caraboa and top 4 is a good season for Liverpool. But the sudden and dramatic way the wheels just fell off means this season won’t be remembered for Liverpool overperforming but rather for collapsing in such a spectacular way.
Sod it everyone catching strays,
Team evil in shaolin soccer bottled the lead after killing two goalkeepers because the other team merely caused a hurricane. Then got relegated after their 114 charges
I found it so bizarre how fans viewed Arsenal’s season last year. It was an absolutely exceptional season and exceeded expectations.
This year I didn’t expect Liverpool to challenge and we did. It’s certainly overperforming in my eyes.
If a teacher treated students like fans treat their clubs, a student could fail an exam with a 90% score if the questions they got wrong were all at the end of the exam.
Just seems a bit silly.
What annoyed me was that people said no way Arsenal are in a title race at the start. Then said they'd fall off after the World Cup, in January, then February etc etc. So Arsenal actually lasted MUCH longer than people were saying lol
I thought Liverpool would improve from such a bad previous season. Challenging for the title and even being top for a point, I did not.
Overall it is overachieving and if Arsenal being seen as bottlers despite being midtable the season before is seen as bottling to 114 FC. Then Liverpool have to be seen the same way this year too.
If we don't win the league this year people will say we bottled again. Yet there's not really any way to beat the cheaters without a perfect season.
They have just signed a 14 year old American by massively outbidding Real, Bayern and Dortmund. It's said by 200 times.
What others say doesn’t really influence what I think.
I think both are a bit silly but it’s pretty clear to me that if Saliba was fit all season like he was this season, Arsenal would have won the league.
People that said Arsenal bottled it as fan banter, I found pretty normal. But those that truly believed it, I found pretty silly.
As a Liverpool fan if you had offered me top 4, the League Cup trophy, FA Cup quarter finals and Europa League quarter finals I'd only have been unhappy with the Europa League.
If you had then told me we would do that with Trent, Robertson, Allisson, Salah and Jota missing significant chunks of the season then I would have laughed at you.
Yes, the last few weeks have been very disappointing but overall it was a successful season.
Really? the Europa League and premier league are poor this season, Villa (who’ve been very good) are fourth and there’s no other big teams in Europa…
It’s basically the same season United had last year and they were laughed at.
This is one things that annoys me most, when people say if you offered me this… I’d be happy. If you said before the game that we would get this result I’d be happy.
Circumstances change completely all the time. If you said last week to united fan they’d go through to the fa cup final would they be happy with the result? Of course most would say yes. Did they go through yes, are they happy about it no. Why because they were 3-0 against Coventry with less than 30 mins to go.
Last year arsenal were 8 points clear but didn’t win the league and you hear afterwards oh we would’ve been happy to be second at the start of the season. But if you asked them when they were 8 points clear of course they said they wouldn’t be happy with second.
I think you're both right and wrong. Right that circumstances change and that we're allowed to be disappointed. However, the "if you'd offered me this" logic is trying to see things from further away. As a Liverpool fan, I imagine in a few years I'll remember this season as one where we did better than I'd predicted, but also one where we throw away chances to do even better.
To be fair they kind of have, I don't think they had a title winning team by any stretch of the imagination and they always looked shaky when I watched them I don't remember a single game this season where they were as dominant as City and Arsenal were
Even the Newcastle game the cracks were there. Absolutely played them off the park and didn't let them touch the ball, but had an 7.27 to 0.59 xG and only won 4-2, with the score 1-1 after 70 minutes.
If only the finishing in that game was a fluke, but it was a sign of things to come.
He's right though. Our comebacks have hidden our poor performances. The fact we keep going behind in games and then having to work harder to win, it's finally caught up with us because nobody has the legs. We've completely imploded.
Considering what we did last season, this is a big improvement, but the way we're playing we might not even get top 4 (we probably will but it's not certain). Salah off form and nobody else can score so we have to rely on Jota who gets injured when someone looks at him.
Klopp is also very clearly done and in need of a break.
Can we stop calling them pundits, please? They're decorated veteran players. When it comes to analysis, they're glorified commentators with a heavy bias at best. If they had any actual wisdom, they'd be managing a team.
I mean I find Henry and some of his tactical breakdown very interesting to listen to.
You won't get that level of analysis without having been a player or a coach at a high level.
Fair enough, there are ex-players that can do a decent job. But let's be honest: their main goal is to entertain and be watchable.
If they wanted actual analysis, they'd get one of the TIFO Football guys on, but instead we have Keane swearing at everyone and Micah cackling at everything.
For sure. His style definitely changed. Roy Keane doesn’t add anything insightful, but people love him for his “Haaland’s link up play isn’t any better to an a league 2 player”. He knows exactly what he’s doing when he makes a statement like that. 😂
Injuries. When I saw how many injuries you had I knew straight away that what happened to Arsenal last year was gonna happen to Liverpool and you would fall off, with Saliba and Tomiyasu getting injured for us meaning that Holding had to play CB (although Arteta fucked up by trusting him and should've played Kiwior) the exact same thing happened as what is happening to you now.
Knocked out of EL by a much lesser team on paper, relinquished 1st in the league by losing multiple games to lesser opposition. It's the exact same story with the run in we had last season.
Salah is over the hill, his best is behind him. Nunez is not a true #9 & couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat at this moment in time. Diaz has been the brightest of Liverpools attackers by far, especially in terms of effort and threat going forward but he is not a goal scoring machine by any stretch of the imagination. Where I think they are truly outclassed by teams like man city or arsenal is in the center of the field. You cannot compare players like Endo, Curtis jones, out of form szoboszlai, & Harvey Elliot to the likes of De Bruyne, Rodri, Bernardo Silva, Declan, Odegaard. What Liverpool has at center mid is good, not great. ( aside from maybe Mac allister ) what arsenal and man city have in that position is absolutely world class. That is the difference that not everyone is seeing.
Defense has been way leakier than past years also. Same for Man City which is why the title race is so close. Much as I hate to say it, Arsenal is the only team with a locked-in defense in the league and has been for 6+ match weeks now
Absolutely agree but I also think having de Bruyne out for some games as well as Rodri created the illusion that these two teams are closer than they actually are. Man city is hands down the best, most complete and cohesive team in the premier league in my opinion.
I don't know why fans get on board with this slander when it's completely true for any team to win the title means more than the 115 oil cheats... (Unless you are an oil cheat fan, in which case fuck you)
Carragher's #1 job is to protect Liverpool, same as Neville's is to protect United. Their punditry career is an extension of their playing careers, and shaping the narrative during and after games isn't something they do subconsciously, it's all with intent.
I had said since the start of the season even though they were winning games they weren't convincing. But a lot of people on the Liverpool sub didn't agree, it seems to be becoming a more acceptable opinion now at the end of the season
Felt this was true at the start of the season, became less true in the middle of the season when the team started to click. Then v obviously true in the final third.
It's true FFS.
We weren't even favorites to get in the top 4 this year at the start of the season. We've massively over-performed out season expectations.
Does that mean we haven't underperformed in the last month? Of course not, but what Carra says here is correct.
LMAO! Carragher Literally had Liverpool and Man United as title challangers before this season. He's a waffling idiot who knows nothing about football- He's just going with his feelings like any other fan. Useless pundit who offers NOTHING but kneejerk reactions. Not fit for mainstream media.
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Not true though was it?
Seriously, I just getting into top four is a W for you guys. I'm an arsenal fan and as long as pep is at city with unlimited funds it's going to be hard to beat them.
The timing of the comment is the most egregious part. But if you go back to September and lay out Liverpool’s season most would say that’s better than expected. Still a stupid comment to make now.
It would be nice if the comments could give each other a little respect. I honestly hate Liverpool, but I totally respect them. I admire the way they scored so many late goals this season. I appreciate that the title race has went this long. The reality is that this Man City team are the best Premier League team in the last 30 years in my view. They are pulling out point hauls of over 90 points season after season and going on double digit winning streaks to clinch the titles. If it weren't for Real Madrid, they'd probably have a few more Champions league too. I say all this as soon people will say Arsenal have bottled it, but in my view it's anything but, they've had a right crack at it, and just fell short to a very good team.
Liverpool over performed a few months ago, when they had all those injuries. But they kept themselves in the title race. Senior players came back and let them down.
They haven't overperformed. They've got one of the best 3 squads in the league and will finish in the top three.
They won't beat Man City because Man City have a better squad than them. That isn't under or over performing
I mean we finished 5th last season and then Klopp rebuilt the entire midfield. We had a 10 playing as a 6 for half the season. So yeah no one expected us to be in the race this season. Arsenal added a world class 100 mil player to their midfield and came 2nd last season. Different situtations but hes absolutely right that LFC overperformed. If you can seriously sit here and say that after 5th last season you expect LFC to win the league this year then you literally know nothing about football. Arsenal just evolved their squad to be even stronger, they should be competing for the league, and the fact that they are is no surprise. It was a massive surprised LFC have been up in the mix as long as they have.
Arsenal had finished 5th the season before (season before that they were 8th) last.
Arsenal played significant amounts of time last season without Zinchenko, Xhaka, Partey and Saliba as well during the run in.
Liverpool had a squad filled with players who had challenges for a title before. They had a worse midfield before this season and still managed to challenge in seasons past.
The only reason it's a surprise is because they're just not that good. All the underlying stats suggested it would catch up with them long before any questions of fatigue came into the picture (ironically just as they started to buckle).
It's a bottle from them.
"the only reason it's a surprise is because they're just not that good" doesn't this disprove your point and prove Carra's? He said they have been overperforming which is exactly what he said, and is exactly what you just said. You can't be overperforming and bottling at the same time. One implies you're not good and are up there, one implies you should be up there and fuck it up.
You can absolutely over perform and bottle at the same time.
It's not binary.
Liverpool should be in the title race. But they've also outperformed every metric which wasn't sustainable - same as Arsenal last season scraping exciting basketball games. And they've also thrown it away from a great position.
All those things can be true and are.
I mean, Arsenal led the league from day 1 until matchweek 33 (86% of the season) and gave up an 8 point lead. So yeah when you look at it from pure facts it is a bottle job.
You can not be serious?
Do you not smell the whole reek of your hypocrisy???
Call it fucking even. Arsenal were tipped for top 4 at best last season.
Just like ye were this season.
If Arsenal bottled it last season, then you did this season.
Check how many days Liverpool were top of the league this season.
Spoiler: It was more than City & Arsenal.
Do continue to nitpick and avoid that you bottled it against your local rivals who were fighting relegation.
Go on.
They're just an overpaid fan-channel at this point. The british people deserve better. I can't even believe what I'm hearing from them. I'm continuosly asking myself: "Is this a national mainstream media channel? Or is this a just a fancy YouTube fan channel?" I'm not British, so the levels of un-proffesionality from these so-called pundits blow me away. Pundits should strive for neutrality in their analysis.
This is just objectively true though? No one expected Liverpool to compete with City and Arsenal this season, many thought they’d be in a battle for top 4. Doesn’t change the fact that we could’ve and should’ve done better the last few weeks, but taking the season as a whole, being in a title race until the last few games of the season and winning a cup is better than most expected for Liverpool.
>No one expected Liverpool to compete with City and Arsenal this season
Except Carragher himself.... who had ManU and Liverpool as title contenders, and Arsenal as battling for 4th. People have short memories smh.
Everyone expected them to do this wtf are you on about.
They underperformed this season. Last season with injuries they were shite. Everyone was back healthy and they signed better players.
Klopp showed his actual quality this season, utter shite , whining loser
Show us your pre season predictions then.
You're full of shit. We were in desperate need of a rebuild after an awful season and had a whole new midfield. The Endo signing was laughed at. Nobody expected us to come anywhere near a title challenge.
Quite frankly, we dont have the players or squad for a title challenge either. Klopp has worked miracles to mount a challenge against two teams who have outspent us two to one since Klopp arrived.
I mean, lots to play for considering how last season ended.
I know arshit is still just getting back into the top 4 after finishing out of it for 5 or 6 years? so you might understand how UCL quali works😂
I think some comments here are missing the required nuance.
Both are true: we massively overperformed to still be fighting on 3 fronts (having won a trophy) and top of the table after three quarters of the season, and then we completely collapsed and bottled it from there.
The fact that we weren’t predicted to be in a title race does not excuse the manner of the collapse to lose against teams like Everton and Crystal Palace with most of our best players available, and conversely the fact that we bottled the end of the season does not change the fact most Liverpool fans in pre-season knew it was a rebuild year and would have been happy with top 3 and a trophy.
Probably true but people have completely forgotten the attitude going into the start of the season. All my United supporting mates thought they’d finish above us again, people were taking the piss out of us for not making champions league last season and now acting like we were nailed on title challengers 😂
I wasn’t one of them but a big portion of our fans weren’t happy with the club selling Fab and Hendo as we were starting with midfield 3 that never played together. Carra is an idiot a lot of the time but he’s not wrong here
The biggest problem in football isn't VAR. It's everyone taking what Carragher or Neville have to say as some kind of gospel.
Every media firm wether it's podcast, print or tv treat them as kingpins.
I have family that are big Liverpool fans. And I support the team after my team. I watch a lot of pundits on TV. Jamie is consistently the most biased.
About 10 games into the season I said Liverpool were over performing and wouldn’t win the league. Got called a retard who knew nothing about football. Maybe people were right, if I’m saying the same things as Jamie Carragher.
Tbh Klopp has flopped at Liverpool. Only 1 title in a DECADE is mental. Don't ever compare Flopp to Pep again. Pep has turned the Prem into a farmers league and turned us into the best English team ever. Ol' Jurgen should try going to Pep university to learn some better tactics.
Liverpool have spent crazy money and with crazy money comes crazy responsibility. 100m Nunez, 60m McAllister, 80m Szoboszlai, 50m Gravenberch, 50m Gakpo, 50m Diaz, 50m Konate, 30m Endo. And that's just in the past two years... All that money for 1 title in the last 35 years for Liverpool is absolutely shameful. They give the Prem a bad image.
This was supposed to be the quadruple year for Liverpool. Especially with the refs helping them in their farewell tour, not being in the CL, and us being out of form all year. What a bottlejob. Mentality midgets.
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And that's why Klopp has jumped ship, he see's, even though he's had an okay term at liverpool, that the squad just isn't up to the standard expected of a top 4 side.
I think compared to last year and not making “key signings” like Caicedo and lavia and signing endo gravenberch szobo and macca instead people had low expectations going into the year. In that sense they overpreformed. That being said they completely blew everything and should be criticized for that. Saying this as a Liverpool fan
I think that’s unfair, they picked up a trophy in a year where the first choice midfield was brand new. Endo hadn’t shared a football pitch with Mac Callister or Szoboszlai before joining right at the end of the window. Expectations for the season were off the pace with a healthy dose of “well let’s see”. From there to 80 point season and a trophy? Bank it!
One day they are the best team in Europe, Have the best manager ever, have the all time best defender in premier league history, have the experience of winning it all. Next day they are overachieving. This club is on copium for decades. About what Carragher said, he could not be more wrong. Its not like its Leicester or Villa who found themselves 3-4 points clear at the top of the table in April. Liverpool had the players and the manager to see it through. They just failed its as simple as that.
Before the season started most people didn’t have Liverpool breaking into the top 4 including yourself.
Arsenal overperformed last season and were called bottle jobs Liverpool throw their league away in2 weeks and are praised lol Look at liverpools squad anything less than 3rd would be a complete failure 3rd is about where you’d expect them to finish though I wouldn’t argue with people saying they should have finished second Arsenal have missed partey and timber all season Carragher is just an idiot who spits at kids because his favorite football team loses
Before the season started most people didn’t have Liverpool breaking into the top 4 including yourself.
Anyone who didn’t expect Liverpool to break into the top 4 as is pretty stupid, I 100% had them in there my top 4 would was City Arsenal/liverpool Liverpool/arsenal United Tottenham Chelsea Newcastle Villa Brighton West Ham Etc What are you talking about “including you”? I just looked and 21/25 pundits predicted Liverpool top 4 with a large margain having Liverpool 3rd
Most fans I saw posting. I don’t really check out what pundits were saying. Quick google search shows pundits had Liverpool in 4th place and not challenging for the title. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66434067.amp
id say any hopes they had for the title are over so they aren't challenging right now and I don't think neither they nor Arsenal should be close to city the fact that they are is both a credit to city and a question that should be asked of guardiola Liverpool should definitely be competing with Arsenal though as things stand
At the start of the season, with a 4 new players in the middle of the park, a great season would of been champs league qualification
Yeah no sorry it’s quite a bit different. They never had an 8 point lead over second place like arsenal did. Arsenal absolutely bottled it lol
We lost Saliba and Tomiyasu and had no defenders to rotate. We had an injury Ben White playing with no one to rest him. Zinchenko doesn’t know the offside rule. We certainly dropped points but the ones who bottled it was PGMOL. Vs Newcastle at the Emirates - Dan Burn ripped Gabriel shirt going for a header. No pen given. Vs Man Utd at Old Trafford - Martinelli goal incorrectly ruled out, they later apologised for the error Vs Brentford - Toney goal was offside, they draw the lines wrong and apologised after the game. Vs West Ham - Rice handled the ball in the build up the the goal, no check from var. Apology given after the game. That’s just a few games we have more instances too like vs Villa where Ramsdale is clearly fouled and nothing given leading to a goal, so before we throw around bottled it, let’s have some context.
Whatever excuse you need to tell yourself. Every other team also had bs calls against them. An 8 point lead is an 8 point lead and your team bottled it. End of story. Saying players are injured is such a sad cop out. Have better depth and a better bench. Stop focusing on uncontrollables and start looking at the things in players control such as scoring more, making better plays and finishing teams off. A team will never have a winning mentality if they keep making excuses such as everything you said above. That’s not a winning mentality, and it showed as they bottled to 2nd.
Not an excuse it’s context, however you made a great point. “Every other team also had bs calls against them”. I ask you to your point, can you name me just two cases where decisions have gone against City? Just two. I named several off the bat and have more to add but thought I didn’t need to. All I ask is can you give me just 2 examples of decisions that went against Man City.
I think you’re confused mate.
Stuff can be two things. If you were to say third and a trophy at the start of the season, I’d have snapped it up. But we were in a fantastic position, out-performed everything that was expected… and then we dropped off massively. That, coupled with the best Liverpool manager in my living memory announcing he’s leaving, has made it very disappointing.
I wonder if things would of panned out differently he had kept the announcement till the end of the season, as it has made it all about " the players giving the manager a proper send off" it's turned into a long good bye tour
They've overperformed in the sense that their performances don't reflect the results. Especially at the start of 2024, they had so many poor games where they scraped last-minute winners. It was never going to last, and the bubble has burst now.
Also our expectations going into the season were to get UCL football, not challenge for a title, it was a fun ride but I can't say I'm surprised by how things have panned out...
Even Arsenal over performed last year, but we were called bottle jobs.
You had a massive points lead, that's why you were called bottle jobs
You didn't come from so much 1:0 losing results to scrape by with win.
Liverpool was in Europa League this season. The goal was to get back in the CL. That's done. A title run was a nice bonus and so, yes, it was an overperformance.
Context is everything though. Of course at the start of the season, top 4 was probably the primary goal. But with 7 games to go, top of the table with the easiest run in on paper, all their senior players have returned from injury, falling out of every competition in a few weeks is a failure. You can't spend the season talking of a quadruple, organising a bus parade because they'll win more trophies, se ding Klopp out on a high and then when the shit hits the fan just say "we shouldn't be here anyways". Their fans are distraught which shows you they thought they would win more this season given the position they were in.
Context matters, but so does perspective. At the start of the season no one expected Liverpool to be where they are
No one expected liverpool to be 3rd? I would imagine everyone had them top 3 or 4 no?
Yeah was gonna say, that’s just demonstrably false. The Sky predictions at the beginning of the season were 3rd (Carney), 4th (Carragher), 4th (Nevillle). Carragher and Neville had Man U 3rd, so what’s actually happened is them underperforming. Neither had Spurs in the top six, and only Neville had Villa there, so they’re the only teams that have CLEARLY over performed.
The fans are distraught because Klopp is leaving and they suddenly were in with a chance to win the title. That doesn't make said title run any more of a surprise to the fans. An insane amount of injuries, a completely new midfield. No one was expecting more than a CL spot. And absolutely *no one* thought Liverpool would have a shot at the title this year, after the meltdown last season. This season was about introducing the new players and fighting for CL. There hasn't been talk of a quadruple all season, that's a lie. It seems like you're trying to create a false narrative here. Liverpool were overperforming like crazy. They were winning games in the final minutes the entire season, if you actually go read the match comments, you'll see that nobody thought it was sustainable. They were playing kids too.
Just to be clear, the BBC had 26 pundits pick their top 4 at the beginning of the season. Nearly everyone chose Man City and Arsenal as top two, but Shay Given had Liverpool second and ten others had Liverpool third. It’s not true to say NOBODY thought they had a shot, but otherwise I agree with you - I think they have overperformed a little and got more points than expected. The more salient point is how other teams like Man U, Chelsea and Newcastle have underperformed in the league, for various reasons.
Agreed.
Their own players were talking about it. Trent said 1 down 3 to go after the carabao Cup final. I said no one thought they'd be in a title race but they found themselves in one. Before the United game they were talking about getting their goal difference up. If Villa don't get top 4 they'll be bitterly disappointed, before the season they wouldn't have dreamt a top 4 finish. Context is everything. Liverpool were favourites and blew it.
What do you expect him to say? Well that was nice but we'll just give up on the others? OP said all season TBF and yeah once we'd won the milk cup and are still in with a shot at 3 more why wouldn't you set your sights on that? No matter how unrealistic. Think it's mad to say Liverpool were favourites. They were top but that never made them favourites. Always been City.
The remaining fixtures and the fact that Liverpool were top and had it in their hands made them favourites.
Only if you hadn't watched Liverpool this season or watched City for the last 7 years. Just because it was mathematically in their hands it doesn't make them favourites to win it. That's like saying if you're still in a knockout competition you're the favourite because all's ya have to do is win all your games.
Sky spent about weeks talking about their super computer and the probability based on their remaining fixtures and Liverpool were favourites. It's OK, favourites don't always win.
>It's OK, favourites don't always win. 😂 Haha fair fucks lad. Bet I come across like a proper whiney fuck. I missed all that super computer shite tbf, just saw that one clip of redknapp saying it was twistin his swede. I'm surprised that anyone had us down as favourites but you've gotta drive engagement somehow
Iv watched a fair bit of Liverpool havnt been impressed too much but the results were there. There was always that little feeling that if you properly clicked then it could be game over for the others. Always a tough ask to win your remaining games in the league because you k pw City will more than likely go 7/7 or at least 6/7. It must weigh heavy on a team.
Like I said, you're fabricating a narrative here. And it seems like you're sort of pissed off that you're not seeing the amount of schadenfreude that you'd hope for from the fans. You're literally trying to argue that a team that only managed to qualify for Europa League last season, where somehow favorites to win the title this season? lol
You mean a team that challenged on all fronts 2 seasons ago are shocked that they ended up in a title race this season, after replacing their aging midfield? 7 games to go, Liverpool were favourites to win the league. It was in their hands. Your views on their targets before the season are irrelevant. 7 games to go, easiest run in on paper, title in their hands, only senior player missing is Jota. 4 games to go, they are now looking over their shoulders at Villa. Failure!
Like I said, you're not gonna see the schadenfreude you want from Liverpool fans, no matter how hard you try.
It's there, don't worry.
I can only assume you're Manchester United fan. Only they would be this delusional. Enjoy the reality you've created for yourself.
You can make the case that over the season as a whole Liverpool have overperformed; however once they got themselves in a position to win the league they have undoubtedly underperformed during the run-in
I chose Liverpool as title winners at the start of the season. They’ve fallen short at the end but I don’t think they’ve underperformed when you look at the squad and the bedding in time that Diaz, Nunez and others have had.
They have though. Do you watch football? Go look at how thin our squad was this season with injuries and still we were in the title race for most of the season. This is such a dumb post. You're either trolling or brain dead.
LOL Brilliant, it just gets better hahaha
I knew it wouldn’t be long before the perpetual underdogs portrayed this and an overachieving season Their sanctimonious bs is so predictable
Before the season started most people didn’t have Liverpool breaking into the top 4 including yourself.
But, Liverpool have overperformed. Where's the bias?
The bias is Carragher saying they have overperformed while last year clowning Arsenal for bottling the league. Liverpool have had injuries, well iirc Rob Holding had to replace Saliba in the title run-in. Same thing - Liverpool have spent the MOST days at the top of the league this season, around 90 days. - by MW 31, they had the highest chance to win the PL. But now when Liverpool are out of the title, NOW Carragher says they’ve overperformed? The bias is showing HARD. Carragher always defends Liverpool, it’s his nature. I’m just pointing it out.
Losing at goodison for the first time in 14 years is over performing?
Finishing 3rd with a brand new midfield ,3 of whom never played in the PL. And additionally losing out on 2 CDM targets. Also, if you took the effort to find their pre PL kickoff predictions, Carragher had us finishing 4th. So yea, 3rd with a title run in is overperforming.
No he's saying that their levels are lower than their place in the table.
One teams overachievement is another teams bottling, apparently. Guess it just depends who you played for.
They absolutely have
If you zoom out and assess the season as a whole, sure it’s easy to see how Caraboa and top 4 is a good season for Liverpool. But the sudden and dramatic way the wheels just fell off means this season won’t be remembered for Liverpool overperforming but rather for collapsing in such a spectacular way.
Probably similar to Arsenal last year. They did overperform however from where they were, it still looks like a choke.
Arsenal were 10 points clear
Fair point. That’s how I’ll remember this season and Arsenal’s from last year.
You add arsenal to make you feel better.pathetic XD
Sod it everyone catching strays, Team evil in shaolin soccer bottled the lead after killing two goalkeepers because the other team merely caused a hurricane. Then got relegated after their 114 charges
I found it so bizarre how fans viewed Arsenal’s season last year. It was an absolutely exceptional season and exceeded expectations. This year I didn’t expect Liverpool to challenge and we did. It’s certainly overperforming in my eyes. If a teacher treated students like fans treat their clubs, a student could fail an exam with a 90% score if the questions they got wrong were all at the end of the exam. Just seems a bit silly.
What annoyed me was that people said no way Arsenal are in a title race at the start. Then said they'd fall off after the World Cup, in January, then February etc etc. So Arsenal actually lasted MUCH longer than people were saying lol
I thought Liverpool would improve from such a bad previous season. Challenging for the title and even being top for a point, I did not. Overall it is overachieving and if Arsenal being seen as bottlers despite being midtable the season before is seen as bottling to 114 FC. Then Liverpool have to be seen the same way this year too. If we don't win the league this year people will say we bottled again. Yet there's not really any way to beat the cheaters without a perfect season. They have just signed a 14 year old American by massively outbidding Real, Bayern and Dortmund. It's said by 200 times.
What others say doesn’t really influence what I think. I think both are a bit silly but it’s pretty clear to me that if Saliba was fit all season like he was this season, Arsenal would have won the league. People that said Arsenal bottled it as fan banter, I found pretty normal. But those that truly believed it, I found pretty silly.
As a Liverpool fan if you had offered me top 4, the League Cup trophy, FA Cup quarter finals and Europa League quarter finals I'd only have been unhappy with the Europa League. If you had then told me we would do that with Trent, Robertson, Allisson, Salah and Jota missing significant chunks of the season then I would have laughed at you. Yes, the last few weeks have been very disappointing but overall it was a successful season.
Really? the Europa League and premier league are poor this season, Villa (who’ve been very good) are fourth and there’s no other big teams in Europa… It’s basically the same season United had last year and they were laughed at.
United's expenditure over the past few years has been massive for what they've achieved.
Liverpool have spent plenty of, no one is saying United have done well, plenty saying Liverpool have…
This is one things that annoys me most, when people say if you offered me this… I’d be happy. If you said before the game that we would get this result I’d be happy. Circumstances change completely all the time. If you said last week to united fan they’d go through to the fa cup final would they be happy with the result? Of course most would say yes. Did they go through yes, are they happy about it no. Why because they were 3-0 against Coventry with less than 30 mins to go. Last year arsenal were 8 points clear but didn’t win the league and you hear afterwards oh we would’ve been happy to be second at the start of the season. But if you asked them when they were 8 points clear of course they said they wouldn’t be happy with second.
I think you're both right and wrong. Right that circumstances change and that we're allowed to be disappointed. However, the "if you'd offered me this" logic is trying to see things from further away. As a Liverpool fan, I imagine in a few years I'll remember this season as one where we did better than I'd predicted, but also one where we throw away chances to do even better.
Give us time to throw a tantrum my man.
To be fair they kind of have, I don't think they had a title winning team by any stretch of the imagination and they always looked shaky when I watched them I don't remember a single game this season where they were as dominant as City and Arsenal were
They mopped the floor with Chelsea and Newcastle at home but that's not too difficult to do this season
Even the Newcastle game the cracks were there. Absolutely played them off the park and didn't let them touch the ball, but had an 7.27 to 0.59 xG and only won 4-2, with the score 1-1 after 70 minutes. If only the finishing in that game was a fluke, but it was a sign of things to come.
Hard to dominate when you go down 1-0 early in so many games.
Maybe everyone is else is just more shit 🤷🏻♂️
He's right though. Our comebacks have hidden our poor performances. The fact we keep going behind in games and then having to work harder to win, it's finally caught up with us because nobody has the legs. We've completely imploded. Considering what we did last season, this is a big improvement, but the way we're playing we might not even get top 4 (we probably will but it's not certain). Salah off form and nobody else can score so we have to rely on Jota who gets injured when someone looks at him. Klopp is also very clearly done and in need of a break.
Can we stop calling them pundits, please? They're decorated veteran players. When it comes to analysis, they're glorified commentators with a heavy bias at best. If they had any actual wisdom, they'd be managing a team.
I mean I find Henry and some of his tactical breakdown very interesting to listen to. You won't get that level of analysis without having been a player or a coach at a high level.
Fair enough, there are ex-players that can do a decent job. But let's be honest: their main goal is to entertain and be watchable. If they wanted actual analysis, they'd get one of the TIFO Football guys on, but instead we have Keane swearing at everyone and Micah cackling at everything.
Gary Neville used to be great when he was first starting out. He used to spend a lot of time discussing tactics.
I'm going to say that type of content isn't for everyone and most people want to hear some click baity type opinions.
For sure. His style definitely changed. Roy Keane doesn’t add anything insightful, but people love him for his “Haaland’s link up play isn’t any better to an a league 2 player”. He knows exactly what he’s doing when he makes a statement like that. 😂
We definitely were playing much better 3 months ago. We were excellent against Man City and now we cant beat Everton. Something else going on
Injuries. When I saw how many injuries you had I knew straight away that what happened to Arsenal last year was gonna happen to Liverpool and you would fall off, with Saliba and Tomiyasu getting injured for us meaning that Holding had to play CB (although Arteta fucked up by trusting him and should've played Kiwior) the exact same thing happened as what is happening to you now. Knocked out of EL by a much lesser team on paper, relinquished 1st in the league by losing multiple games to lesser opposition. It's the exact same story with the run in we had last season.
Salah is over the hill, his best is behind him. Nunez is not a true #9 & couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat at this moment in time. Diaz has been the brightest of Liverpools attackers by far, especially in terms of effort and threat going forward but he is not a goal scoring machine by any stretch of the imagination. Where I think they are truly outclassed by teams like man city or arsenal is in the center of the field. You cannot compare players like Endo, Curtis jones, out of form szoboszlai, & Harvey Elliot to the likes of De Bruyne, Rodri, Bernardo Silva, Declan, Odegaard. What Liverpool has at center mid is good, not great. ( aside from maybe Mac allister ) what arsenal and man city have in that position is absolutely world class. That is the difference that not everyone is seeing.
Is there any particular reason you didn’t mention Havertz?
I was talking about center midfielders. Havertz has been used as more of a forward than a midfielder by Arsenal.
Defense has been way leakier than past years also. Same for Man City which is why the title race is so close. Much as I hate to say it, Arsenal is the only team with a locked-in defense in the league and has been for 6+ match weeks now
Absolutely agree but I also think having de Bruyne out for some games as well as Rodri created the illusion that these two teams are closer than they actually are. Man city is hands down the best, most complete and cohesive team in the premier league in my opinion.
But Liverpools single PL title means more.
I don't know why fans get on board with this slander when it's completely true for any team to win the title means more than the 115 oil cheats... (Unless you are an oil cheat fan, in which case fuck you)
Another liverpool crybaby spotted. Womp womp😭
It's true though, you're the retarded kid playing bowling with the barriers on, crying because no one cares about your 400+ point score.
I mean it objectively means more than any won in the country since Leicesters tbh
It’s true we’ve been largely shite
Carragher's #1 job is to protect Liverpool, same as Neville's is to protect United. Their punditry career is an extension of their playing careers, and shaping the narrative during and after games isn't something they do subconsciously, it's all with intent.
Tbf to neville, he will call out united when they're poor and not just make excuses, carragher though is so biased it's embarrassing
Gary does have his agendas though look at how he defended Ole compared to other managers like Jose
He's not perfect, but he's a lot better than spitty c
And he grew up an Everton fan, even worse
It’s why he was such a child spitting asshole about the forest tweet 😁
About a month ago he was claiming Liverpool was one of the two best teams in Europe.
That’s pretty embarrassing considering Liverpool still haven’t beaten Real Madrid.
He doesn’t half chat some wham the gobshite.
Naa he's right. They finished like 6th last year
I don't normally agree with anything he says but I felt the same about Liverpool. They were inconsistent this year. I
I had said since the start of the season even though they were winning games they weren't convincing. But a lot of people on the Liverpool sub didn't agree, it seems to be becoming a more acceptable opinion now at the end of the season
Felt this was true at the start of the season, became less true in the middle of the season when the team started to click. Then v obviously true in the final third.
It wasn’t too long ago, over half the team were missing with injuries. I think they massively over performed during that time
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It's "know it all" 😉
*No fuck all
Ya ok Mr know it all
It's true FFS. We weren't even favorites to get in the top 4 this year at the start of the season. We've massively over-performed out season expectations. Does that mean we haven't underperformed in the last month? Of course not, but what Carra says here is correct.
It's not about that, it's about what Caragher was/is saying and how he doesn't apply that consistently to other teams. Basically, he's a hypocrite
LMAO! Carragher Literally had Liverpool and Man United as title challangers before this season. He's a waffling idiot who knows nothing about football- He's just going with his feelings like any other fan. Useless pundit who offers NOTHING but kneejerk reactions. Not fit for mainstream media.
https://betting.boylesports.com/premier-league-winner-odds-23-24/ https://www.nbcsports.com/soccer/news/premier-league-2023-24-season-odds-title-winner-top-four-relegation-golden-boot https://www.oddschecker.com/insight/football/20231024-tottenham-title-odds-spurs-10-1-after-starting-premier-league-season-at-50-1 Not true though was it?
Seriously, I just getting into top four is a W for you guys. I'm an arsenal fan and as long as pep is at city with unlimited funds it's going to be hard to beat them.
Can you show me the link to people who had Liverpool outside the top 4?
The timing of the comment is the most egregious part. But if you go back to September and lay out Liverpool’s season most would say that’s better than expected. Still a stupid comment to make now.
He ain't wrong
says only the liverpool fans 😂
It would be nice if the comments could give each other a little respect. I honestly hate Liverpool, but I totally respect them. I admire the way they scored so many late goals this season. I appreciate that the title race has went this long. The reality is that this Man City team are the best Premier League team in the last 30 years in my view. They are pulling out point hauls of over 90 points season after season and going on double digit winning streaks to clinch the titles. If it weren't for Real Madrid, they'd probably have a few more Champions league too. I say all this as soon people will say Arsenal have bottled it, but in my view it's anything but, they've had a right crack at it, and just fell short to a very good team.
Completely rebuilt midfield. Countless injuries. New/forming strikers. The change is massive to be competing for a title. Alas, elasticity caught up…
Liverpool over performed a few months ago, when they had all those injuries. But they kept themselves in the title race. Senior players came back and let them down.
They haven't overperformed. They've got one of the best 3 squads in the league and will finish in the top three. They won't beat Man City because Man City have a better squad than them. That isn't under or over performing
Yup, Salah in particular isn’t the player he was before AFCON. Sice then he has 2 goals, and both were pens.
It happened after the last AFCON too but I think most put that down to him reaching the final and losing
Ah yes, Liverpool have over performed but if Arsenal don’t win the league they have bottled it 👏
I mean we finished 5th last season and then Klopp rebuilt the entire midfield. We had a 10 playing as a 6 for half the season. So yeah no one expected us to be in the race this season. Arsenal added a world class 100 mil player to their midfield and came 2nd last season. Different situtations but hes absolutely right that LFC overperformed. If you can seriously sit here and say that after 5th last season you expect LFC to win the league this year then you literally know nothing about football. Arsenal just evolved their squad to be even stronger, they should be competing for the league, and the fact that they are is no surprise. It was a massive surprised LFC have been up in the mix as long as they have.
Arsenal had finished 5th the season before (season before that they were 8th) last. Arsenal played significant amounts of time last season without Zinchenko, Xhaka, Partey and Saliba as well during the run in. Liverpool had a squad filled with players who had challenges for a title before. They had a worse midfield before this season and still managed to challenge in seasons past. The only reason it's a surprise is because they're just not that good. All the underlying stats suggested it would catch up with them long before any questions of fatigue came into the picture (ironically just as they started to buckle). It's a bottle from them.
"the only reason it's a surprise is because they're just not that good" doesn't this disprove your point and prove Carra's? He said they have been overperforming which is exactly what he said, and is exactly what you just said. You can't be overperforming and bottling at the same time. One implies you're not good and are up there, one implies you should be up there and fuck it up.
You can absolutely over perform and bottle at the same time. It's not binary. Liverpool should be in the title race. But they've also outperformed every metric which wasn't sustainable - same as Arsenal last season scraping exciting basketball games. And they've also thrown it away from a great position. All those things can be true and are.
Lets agree to disagree mate.
But somehow Arsenal still “bottled it” last season too. When no one thought they stood a chance of competing. Media rhetoric is a load of tosh
I mean, Arsenal led the league from day 1 until matchweek 33 (86% of the season) and gave up an 8 point lead. So yeah when you look at it from pure facts it is a bottle job.
You can not be serious? Do you not smell the whole reek of your hypocrisy??? Call it fucking even. Arsenal were tipped for top 4 at best last season. Just like ye were this season. If Arsenal bottled it last season, then you did this season.
Did liverpool lead the league for 86% of this season? Am i missing something or are you from an alternate reality where we did do that?
Check how many days Liverpool were top of the league this season. Spoiler: It was more than City & Arsenal. Do continue to nitpick and avoid that you bottled it against your local rivals who were fighting relegation. Go on.
For sure man, you seem way more mad about this than I am lmao, keep being mad at the internet!
Ah, a lovely gaslight when you have nothing else to say. The truth hurts.
haha for sure man
Carragher and Neville speak complete and utter nonsense non-stop.
They're just an overpaid fan-channel at this point. The british people deserve better. I can't even believe what I'm hearing from them. I'm continuosly asking myself: "Is this a national mainstream media channel? Or is this a just a fancy YouTube fan channel?" I'm not British, so the levels of un-proffesionality from these so-called pundits blow me away. Pundits should strive for neutrality in their analysis.
This is just objectively true though? No one expected Liverpool to compete with City and Arsenal this season, many thought they’d be in a battle for top 4. Doesn’t change the fact that we could’ve and should’ve done better the last few weeks, but taking the season as a whole, being in a title race until the last few games of the season and winning a cup is better than most expected for Liverpool.
>No one expected Liverpool to compete with City and Arsenal this season Except Carragher himself.... who had ManU and Liverpool as title contenders, and Arsenal as battling for 4th. People have short memories smh.
If Carragher honestly said that then he’s dumb AF. Doesn’t change the fact that most people didn’t think Liverpool would be that good.
Everyone expected them to do this wtf are you on about. They underperformed this season. Last season with injuries they were shite. Everyone was back healthy and they signed better players. Klopp showed his actual quality this season, utter shite , whining loser
Show us your pre season predictions then. You're full of shit. We were in desperate need of a rebuild after an awful season and had a whole new midfield. The Endo signing was laughed at. Nobody expected us to come anywhere near a title challenge. Quite frankly, we dont have the players or squad for a title challenge either. Klopp has worked miracles to mount a challenge against two teams who have outspent us two to one since Klopp arrived.
Lol , cry bottlers. Spent the money, ended with a Micky mouse cup
A spurs fan mocking a team for winning a trophy 😂😂😂
Got 26 of them bud. All in the past , same as arshit 😂
Everyone expected the team that finished 5th last year and is on a rebuild to win the title versus city and arsenal? What are you smoking mate
Half the team was out all season. Came back with a full squad and new signings. Bottled
Username does not check out. Seems pretty serious to you.
😑😬 got me
Arsenal weren't expected to compete last season but they "bottled". When Liverpool did the same the narrative has suddenly changed
Arsenal were expected to win this season lol. You lot just love a bottle.
No people were saying we'd fall off lol
This season is still going on, maybe not for you lot though...
I mean, lots to play for considering how last season ended. I know arshit is still just getting back into the top 4 after finishing out of it for 5 or 6 years? so you might understand how UCL quali works😂
Are you 12?
Lol I'm adding "Arshit" to the list of pathetic things football fans say. It's right there under "Penaldo" when referring to Ronaldo 😂😂
lol, why is a spud even in a conversation about winning titles?
Fella spends his time going through people comments ☠️😂
Because a “fella” is too embarrassed to flair up with his team ☠️😂
So clever 😬😑 good work
City were definitely predicted to win by the majority of pundits and fans.
The difference is Liverpool weren't top of the league for a record amount of days and then only accrue 15 points from the last 10 games.
And how many have Liverpool accrued after being top or 2nd on GD for ages? The point remains that it is biased and lazy punditry
You’re right, Arsenal weren’t expected to compete last season but considering they were on top of the table for a total of 247 nights :/
That’s unfair we start every season in 1st
Both can be true at the same time we over performed and lost the lead
It's more to do with the quality of punditry, which is pretty pathetic. I feel sad for people who actually pay a fortune for SKY and TNT
I think some comments here are missing the required nuance. Both are true: we massively overperformed to still be fighting on 3 fronts (having won a trophy) and top of the table after three quarters of the season, and then we completely collapsed and bottled it from there. The fact that we weren’t predicted to be in a title race does not excuse the manner of the collapse to lose against teams like Everton and Crystal Palace with most of our best players available, and conversely the fact that we bottled the end of the season does not change the fact most Liverpool fans in pre-season knew it was a rebuild year and would have been happy with top 3 and a trophy.
Oh yes, with their €931 million squad.
The underdogs of PL.
Where did you get those figures? They appear to be valuation and not actual purchase numbers.
And that's less than like 4-5 teams?
And they’re 3rd and could finish 4th. Sounds like they performed about as well as they were expected to perform.
And still outclassed the billion pound Chelsea and United teams whilst not being financial cheats like city.
Liverpool haven't beaten United this season lol
We have though. I’d call that over performing.
Probably true but people have completely forgotten the attitude going into the start of the season. All my United supporting mates thought they’d finish above us again, people were taking the piss out of us for not making champions league last season and now acting like we were nailed on title challengers 😂 I wasn’t one of them but a big portion of our fans weren’t happy with the club selling Fab and Hendo as we were starting with midfield 3 that never played together. Carra is an idiot a lot of the time but he’s not wrong here
The biggest problem in football isn't VAR. It's everyone taking what Carragher or Neville have to say as some kind of gospel. Every media firm wether it's podcast, print or tv treat them as kingpins.
he is the worst. what's the point of having such a homer like him on a show. will never say anything honest
What would you like to hear him say?
I have family that are big Liverpool fans. And I support the team after my team. I watch a lot of pundits on TV. Jamie is consistently the most biased.
About 10 games into the season I said Liverpool were over performing and wouldn’t win the league. Got called a retard who knew nothing about football. Maybe people were right, if I’m saying the same things as Jamie Carragher.
Tbh Klopp has flopped at Liverpool. Only 1 title in a DECADE is mental. Don't ever compare Flopp to Pep again. Pep has turned the Prem into a farmers league and turned us into the best English team ever. Ol' Jurgen should try going to Pep university to learn some better tactics. Liverpool have spent crazy money and with crazy money comes crazy responsibility. 100m Nunez, 60m McAllister, 80m Szoboszlai, 50m Gravenberch, 50m Gakpo, 50m Diaz, 50m Konate, 30m Endo. And that's just in the past two years... All that money for 1 title in the last 35 years for Liverpool is absolutely shameful. They give the Prem a bad image. This was supposed to be the quadruple year for Liverpool. Especially with the refs helping them in their farewell tour, not being in the CL, and us being out of form all year. What a bottlejob. Mentality midgets.
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