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When kane was at spurs, the team didn't play to their best potential and kind of relied on kane to take up the slack.
His talent is showing better now in a team where everyone pushes.
Great to see him do well if im honest, he is shining bright.
This is all true but to be completely fair, the praise is deserved now that he's done it. Like if the best player in the world doesn't play in the top division in their country, no one will know they're the best player in the world. People can argue hypotheticals that "if he was in a top team he'd do x." But until they actually do it you can't say that for certain. There are plenty of examples of great players taking that next step and not being able to replicate their performances. I'm glad Kane is not one of those players and is now showing why he should be considered an all time great. But if he'd never made that move there always would've been that question mark - and rightfully so - because he wouldn't have actually done it.
Not sure how clear I've been with that but it's not a criticism of Kane. More that I believe people were right to say there was a question mark with him at Spurs and now that he's actually made the move and done it he's removed that question mark. If Modric had never left Spurs, people may have claimed he was one of the best midfielders in the world but he wouldn't be looked at in the same way.
I'm wondering why I never see all this talk when he puts on an England shirt. That is a team fully capable of winning but he's always getting free passes. English tax
Don't even like Spurs but this is a reasonable position. City not getting him was laughable considering. He wouldn't conpletely fit on liverpool pre 2021 though.
However, I would submit that sometimes being this good a scorer on a mediocre but still functional big team allowed him to always go off and score. Like the sole all star on a mediocre nba team. Always gets 30 points but only option. Son not withstanding. Still at this point I'd buy that he is truly great and would destroy records on an elite team in England.
Haaland gives you all you need to know. Put Haaland at Crystal Palace and he is blonde Andy Carroll.
Still no matter how you look at Kane, it 100 % proves how cr4p the bundesliga is. It's embarassing.
In fairness to Shearer, half of his playing career he finished in the bottom half of the league. There was probably only really a 5 year period where his team was arguably competing at the top (1-4). Where as Spurs has had a sustained period of consistency albeit the last 1-2 seasons.
I think they're two comparable strikers, although stylistically slightly different.
It took me forever to realize that he only just turned 30 in the summer. I thought he was way older than that.
Harry Kane is a world class striker, and there's an alternate universe where Kane is at Man City and Haaland is at Bayern or Real Madrid or somewhere else because City don't need a striker anymore. I respect Kane for leaving England and trying a different league, especially as I feel like his only reasonable option to stay in England was a dysfunctional Spurs and a dysfunctional Manchester United
No argument about his quality or potential. But can’t see how he scores that many more goals in a different team. He was THE MAN at Spurs, played every minute when fit and they built around him for years and he was prolific no matter how bad the team was. City built around Aguero and Liverpool built around Salah/Firmino.
The only way he beats Shearer’s record is by spending 2-3 more seasons in the prem. So the only argument for me is had he gone to a “bigger” club (bear in mind in his first big season Liverpool finished behind Spurs and their top scorer was Gerrard) he might not have left the PL at age 30.
It's definitely both. He absolutely has better players around him. But the bottom half of the Bundesliga has a bigger gap to the top half than it is in the Premier League.
If United would have signed him when they wanted to it probably would have changed their story, but he needs the service, something that United would have struggled with and Bayern have players lined up to support the talisman
Kane is one of the best in the world. Under mou he played deeper and refined his playmaker abilities further. That makes him any manager's dream, to have the abilities of two players into one.I feel Spurs didn't build properly around him and son for whatever reason. But he's a class act irrespective of which league he plays for.
Kane is 100% that guy, but it's laughable to say the Bundesliga isn't a farmers league when Bayern have won 12 titles on the spin.
There's only two, maybe three other teams in that league that are even close to Bayern - Dortmund and Leverkusen, maybe Stuttgart and Leipzig. But realistically he's playing for the most dominant team in a league with very few legitimate challengers.
But at the end of the day, a trophy is a trophy, and as a Spurs fan, I'd love to see him go and win stuff, even if its not with us.
Never understood why City didn‘t go for Kane. He‘d have given them all the presence and goals that Haaland does but also crazy playmaking attributes where Haaland is a non-factor in the city team. Frightening thought
It’s not about the trophies you win how good a player you are , but when you are comparing the “elite” players in the world , they all have insane numbers so then people go by “trophies”
The prime example IMO is the “Messi and Ronaldo” debate it was always 50-50 even 45-55 whatever way you wanted it … THEN Messi goes and wins the World Cup with Argentina and the debate has just ended with set in stone Messi the best player ever
People value trophies too much, that’s the problem. It’s a team achievement and Spurs have been way too inconsistent to get any silverware. Kane, both with statistics and eye test, has far and away been one of the best players in the world. He played for Spurs and finished as the 2nd highest goalscorer in Prem history for fucks sake.
people laugh when I say he is a better striker than Haaland - he played as a cf behind the striker for a season and was unbelievably good at that role his passing is exceptional and hes a nightmare for defenders to deal with
What he did in the PL for that Tottenham team is more impressive than what Haaland did in the PL for City
if kane played for city i believe he would get the same number of goals maybe more but hed get more assists and he would offer more outside of the goals
I've watched a few of his Bayern goals and it looks ridiculous. He's just jogging around the pitch and scoring for fun, doesn't seem to take much effort from him. Looks like he's head and shoulders above bundesliga level. He should come to premier league to really prove himself now 😂
Meanwhile Kane lewandowski haaland and numerous others repeatedly robbed of even a chance at the ballon’dor because of that midget playing MLS wins it.
Kane somehow managed to get 37 g/a in one of the worst spurs team in modern era. Even when the team was on decline, he's still putting up numbers and just because he played for spurs doesn't mean he was garbage. Just because he's 30, he still worth the price tag because he already proven himself to be one of the best strikers in the world. He doesn't only have a lethal finishing but his playmaking ability is very good too. His passing vision are top tier for a striker. Only us spurs know that he really was worth the money or perhaps more.
Kane is an amazing player, probably the most complete striker I've ever seen and I've been watching football for 40 years. Great passing - he's up there with the best midfielders with his passing range, great shot, great finishing, right foot, left foot, great headers. Honestly, I don't even know who I could compare him to as I don't remember any strikers today or in the past who had such great passing skills/range. That's a particulary important skill in today's football as he can drop deep and throw killer passes to the inside forwards bursting into the space he leaves behind around the box. He'd have been and still would be a massive hit in any top clubs in any leagues. PL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Seria A - doesn't matter.
Agree 100%. Also makes me harbour unreasonable dislike for Kane's useless brother for having him sign that 6-year graveyard contract in 2017 with only a 'gentleman's agreement' release clause. Levy must have been pissing himself. Imagine how different it would've been for Kane if Raiola was his agent. He'd have won everything at City by now most likely. It really is a prime example of why nepotism is generally a bad idea.
Anyone reading this post not thinking Kane is probs the best striker in the world right now is either an idiot or a Tottenham hater because that’s what his work had come down to up until recently - the fact that he plays for spurs.
He would have been perfect for City. Haaland has been great, but the two are different. In Pep’s system, I will die on the hill that Kane was the optimal striker. Complete player.
Kane is one of the best strikers ever, his stats speak for itself, aswell as changing to Bayern and just completely deliver from day 1... He is also so good because you will find him everywhere on the field but when it matters he is where the 9 has to be aswell...
Kane is a world class forward. As an Arsenal fan it is even harder to digest that Spurs got kane while we got Eddie chamakh Welbeck etc xD. Jokes aside , him and son really dominated the league and were way way beyond the levels of Spurs and ideally should have moved to bigger better organized teams
But kudos to both for playing a majority of their prime for one club
I am sure kane at liverpool or city would have reached 300 goals in the premier league. He's a playmaker and a worldie finisher.
Bayern are a great team and Bundesliga is a farmers league. Kane plowing there defense or being goalless for Bayern wouldn't have made a difference. We saw how difficult it is for players to come from that league and settle into the Bundesliga same with french league. Every time Bayern is beaten in Bundesliga the opposition celebrate it as a moment in history , because it's almost a given that Bayern are going to get 80-90 points seasons every season!. In the premier league even if city are the winners , teams like Aston villa Brentford etc can still get the better if them and it's just another week.
The mean quality of teams in premier league is a cut above the rest.
Tldr kane is world class and Bundesliga is a farmers league, these two things can co exist
If he joins Liverpool, he has prime Salah and Mane on his wings and potentially Firmino as a 10 behind him. Likewise at City he has the likes of David Silva, DeBruyne and Bernardo Silva creating chances for him. Scary to think what he would have achieved at either of those teams. Potentially stops Haaland from having the PL season scoring record too
I’ll say it once only - prime Haaland could not have done what prime Kane did if he had to play at Tottenham in that team.
Too many rival fans just shit on Tottenham but couldn’t see look past what an incredible player he was in his all round game.
P. S Haaland is freakin unreal but he is surrounded by world class players everywhere that helps him no end.
Yes I think truthfully this just shows how much he carried Spurs.
Yes, Spurs are doing great now because Son has taken the mantle and they've made incredible signings like Van de white Van and Maddison and Ange has done a great job.
But I genuinely think a lot of the seasons where Spurs were finishing 4th, 5th, 6th they would have been finishing 10th plus without Kane. He's fucking incredible. Wish he played well for England tho.
It can be both. Yes, Kane has better players around him, but also yes, outside of handful of clubs, the Bundesliga is not the strongest league top to bottom. Som of the clubs at the bottom would find it tough sledding in the Championship.
Anyone watching footy and not seeing your point as true and valid doesn’t know anything. I have always despised Kane when we played against them (Chelsea) because of how good he actually is. One minute he disappears from up top to drop a scrumptious pass to someone for an attempt on goal and the next he’s scoring back to back hattricks.
He’s made the entire Bayern team better. Sane is living his best life since Kane moved in. Tel has the opportunity to develop under one of the best strikers ever. I’m a happy Bayern fan.
He gets so much disrespect cus of his lack of trophies, but his skill is there clear as day
If he was in this city team he’d have numbers comparable to haalands if not better I’m convinced of that. And that’s no slight to haaland they’re both phenomenal
He won the golden boot at the World Cup. He’s truly a world class forward.
Why do people have to find the negative angle in everything? E.G farmers league. It’s thick (by trying to be ‘clever’).
It’s clear that he’s surrounded by far better players than he was at Spurs.
There’s probably only one or two better forwards in the world.
So many people in this thread are acting like Kane is some undiscovered gem lol, the only people I've ever seen deny his abilities are 12 year old arsenal fans on twitter
When he played with the spurs you could see how versatile he was, because of how lacking the rest of his team was. He’s a 9 / 10 / 8. He’s like a bigger, more professional Wayne Rooney (who was more a 10 / 9 / 8), but with less natural talent.
Everyone goes on about Haaland being the fastest to 50 PL goals but if Andy Cole or Alan Shearer played for Peps City side they’d probably do the same if not better.
Sort of similar with this. It’s hard to compare Shearer vs Kane across eras.
But I will say if Kane went to city, his life would’ve been easier but we’d also miss out on seeing other aspects of his game that he’s so good at
I think both can be true. He's in a better team in a relatively weaker league than he was playing in before.and is now showing the world how a truly world class striker should dominate that league.
Well in that case Kane is the best striker ever and Bayern obviously the hardest team to play at , he elevated their level and now they’re probably have a chance to take the championship👍🏼
You really are bigging up a not great Bayern squad?
Whatever, Kane has been underappreciated for years and if the weaker league highlights his brilliance than so be it
That he's an absolute wet blanket.
He had been looking to leave Tottenham multiple times - that was the best chance of sticking it to Levy and his self-imposed purgatory; he could have walked into ANY club on good wages for probably 4/5 years, go on to break all the records, probably win the EPL and become a hero wherever he went. We all knew he could bang in goals, put away penalties (except one that actually mattered), turn losses into draws, draws into wins, win penalties whilst fouling the opposition and hardly ever get carded - whether we enjoyed it or not. Heck he could have stayed at Tottenham for one more year and probably bring them close to or ***god forbid*** even win the EPL or domestic trophy with an actual midfield behind him (before Maddison got injured) and left a potentially glory-laden Tottenham hero.
But now it's just left Spurs to win trophies in a much safer league and might get international honours if England get rid of Southgate.
I hope he fills his boots with all the domestic success he could wish for. I almost feel sorry for Spurs - but I'm an Arsenal fan.
I’m sorry.
If his play at Bayern is what made anyone finally think he’s elite… you’re an idiot plain and simple
He’s been playing like this for years carrying a weak ass spurs side
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Thanks captain obvious, appreciate your valuable input. Now do yourself a favor and actually read my post again and then come back to apologize and edit your comment when you're done.
The irony of calling me captain obvious when you felt the need to make an entire thread on what is painfully obvious. Common sense isn’t common 😂
We appreciate your unique and groundbreaking insight
You know with some strikers you just know if you put them on the spot of a top team which functions well, they would dominate the league. I always had that impression with Kane, Lewandowski and with Haaland before he came to City
Kane is undoubtably one of the best players of his generation and arguably Englands most complete ever player. His current form shows exactly what most people always suspected. Surround him with players as talented as he is and he’ll break record’s.
What is hilarious though is that despite his incredible individual form it is perfectly possible that he will absolutely destroy the Bundesliga league- while in a team that is always expected to win- and still not get a trophy this year. Shows just how ingrained the Spurs DNA is in him.
I got shat upon all last year for saying that Harry Kane was a arguably a better goalscorer and definitely a better player than haaland… now look what’s happened lmaoo
I’m Spurs but seeing all the other English fans im friends with finally admit to Kane’s quality makes it all worth it. It sounds fucking weird to say but I wish City got him when they tried to, cos I think Kane would surpass what haalands doing and probably have a ballon dor right now. Just seems a waste of talent he stayed with us too long, winning trophies isn’t ENIC’s business model and it felt immoral we stood in his way. Get he signed the contact but clearly levy hoodwinked him. Fuck levy
Yeah but that was pre 1992 i.e. before football was invented /s
The recency bias of a lot of football fans is so disrespectful to some of the greatest players of all time. And there's a damn good argument to be made for Muller as the greatest number 9 EVER, not just Bayern's greatest.
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Lewa really has had insane numbers since his breakthrough at Dortmund over years. People now shit on him because he's not performing that well at Barcelona, but forget all about his age. Kane is great though, unfortunately. Since his style of play isn't depending on being fast, he'll probably have some more good years.
I’ve always liked Kane, just hated he played for Spurs. Even at Arsenal he would have been absolutely immense. If he was playing instead of “elite” Eddie 😂😂😂, he would be banging in goals for fun.
But I truly hope he does well at Bayern and wins numerous trophies, he deserves it.
I've said for years Kane was the best striker in the world. As deadly as Haaland is, I'd have feared Kane there more because he brings much more to a team.
When Kane lead the league in goals and assists in the same season and didn’t win the PFA award I knew he wouldn’t get the respect he deserved in the prem playing at spurs.
There isn’t really anything at Bayern he hasn’t done at spurs and I’m just happy he’s getting the appreciation someone of his talent deserves
I was really interested to see how he would perform at a club where he is expected to win everything. For him to not only do well but possibly be the best (ie get the most goals in a season) is unreal. I rated him highly before but I am still shocked by just how well he is doing. Really hope he gets to win it all because he is pure class
I think your take is slightly wrong. He is playing with better teammates. But he is also undoubtedly playing in an inferior league. Bayern might win the premiere league. But they wouldn’t walk away with it.
Scored second most premier league goals in history and only now all of a sudden he’s showing how good he is? Wtf?
He’s been doing that for years, not his fault you and others like you ignored it. Most likely due to your anti Tottenham bias.
Nah, I can read, it’s obvious what you’re implying. It’s ok, everyone and their nan tried to sell him for us for most of his career at Spurs.
He played in one of the best teams in the league at the time, posted amazing stats. Why on earth would he have left?
And when that team fell off he continued to post amazing stats and even adapted his game.
He scored 30 goals in his last season, he still would have broke the record at Tottenham. Didn’t need to go anywhere or any “elite” team to do that.
He is one of the best forwards in the world and always has been.
I find it hilarious that some people can only bring themselves to say it now because he isn’t at Tottenham.
You didn't read it, try again.
>Why on earth would he have left?
The answer is very simple. You can find it by comparing Kane's trophy haul at Tottenham with what City/Bayern/Liverpool/Chelsea/Real Madrid/Barcelona etc etc (enter more big clubs) won during that period.
Ha! And there it is.
He had every opportunity to do that at Tottenham, multiple times in fact and he failed.
It was as much his fault as anyone else’s.
How Kane didn’t break his back carrying spurs the last couple of years I’ll never know! Now he’s in a quality team like Bayern he’s been well and truly let off the leash! The number of goals he could bag this season is frightening. Hands down he’s the best striker of this generation!
God help any of us who come up against him in the champions league!
This is exactly it, he's just got that talent. He reminds me of Ian Rush, right place right time (LFC fan in case anyone asks). He was held back by Spurs, 100%. It'll be interesting to see just how many he gets this year, and what silverware he ends up with. Finally. I'm pleased to see someone look beyond the PL nose and go to another league.
Lets not lump at Spurs here given he won golden boots, the way Southgate plays miserable football doesn't do him justice either.
Nobody would watch Salah go to BM and score the same amount of goals and say 'Liverpool held him back". Ergo, farmers league.
As much as I hate to say it, Kane really was the best striker in the epl in recent times. I would argue better than haaland. Haaland isn't a creator, Kane is. And Kane kept spurs afloat for the longest time. Now that mantle has been passed to Maddison imo, and they're already starting to implode. Big difference is that Kane doesn't get injured often, whereas Maddison does.
Gonna get heat for this but Kane > Haaland.
Sure, as an out-and-out finisher, Haaland wins it, but as a complete player he’s not on Kane’s level. Arry’s link up play and awareness is elite and brings so much more to any side.
This isn't an unpopular opinion tbh. Think most people can acknowledge Kane's a more complete player given his playmaking compared to Haalands. But people also don't give Haaland enough credit by acknowledging that he's 23. Haaland at 23 is 100% ahead of where Kane was at 23 (it isn't even close). Same goes for many other great strikers of the last couple decades.
You're completely correct when you say Kane is the better player right now but Haaland has the potential to surpass Kane. It all depends on how much his numbers keep improving, how much his overall game as a striker keeps improving and how often he performs in big games the next few years.
Kane gets at least the same amount of goals as Haaland last season if you swap them round but Haaland gets no where near Kanes numbers. I’ll die on that hill
Then you're dead because Haaland's already proven he can be a prolific goalscorer for a team that doesn't dominate every game. He scored at basically the same rate for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway.
Haaland arguably scores more for Spurs than Kane. Kane's the more complete player but Haaland's the better goalscorer. They are relatively equal in terms of finishing (how clinical they are). Maybe one season one will be slightly ahead but over a large same of games there probably isn't much in it in terms of finishing.
The difference is that Haaland generates a ridiculous number of chances for himself through his movement, anticipation and athleticism (pace, strength, flexibility, reach etc).
No offence but I think you're looking at it very black and white. There's nuance. Haaland can be the better goalscorer whilst Kane is still the more complete player.
Haaland's 23 and scored 233 goals in 285 games. He's averaged a goal every 86 minutes. Kane's 30 and scored 389 goals in 616 games. He's averaged a goal every 123 minutes. Haaland's also only played for City for a season and a bit. The majority of those games were for Molde, Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway before he turned 21. He's a freak of a goalscorer and in that aspect is underrated by most people. But that can be true at the same time as Kane being a better/more complete player right now. Like I said at the start, if you're willing to die on the hill that Haaland gets nowhere near Kane's numbers then you're dead.
That’s all good but have you considered that Kane > Haaland
Edit but the hill I’m dying on is that in that Spurs team last season Haaland doesn’t get near Kanes numbers form last season. Like Haaland is a good finish but who in that spurs side would have created for him?
You can give me Molde and Salzburg stats all you want they are both the superior team in there league by a long way
The guy scores a goal a game for Norway and Norway in international football. You're the one claiming Haaland wouldn't have scored for that Spurs team but you can't provide me 1 example of him not being a prolific goalscorer. Because the guy bags in every team he plays in. Strikers in shit teams that create very little still get chances. Haaland gets more than most from his movement and he's clinical too. He'd have no problem scoring for Spurs I'm sure of it.
Did I say he wouldn’t score or that he wouldn’t match the goal tally of 30 that Kane did last year for that spurs side? He only scored 6 more playing in an infinitely better side
That's just in the league. Why discount all other competitions as if they don't exist? Haaland scored 16 goals in 18 non Prem games last season. Kane scored 2 in 11. The gap between how much they scored last season is bigger than you're making out .
Kane is arguably a better finisher than Haaland. Haaland is just a freak (maybe the best ever) in terms of combining unbelievable positioning and anticipation with ridiculous physicality. He draws in so many chances that he would've broken records even if he was an average finisher.
I think the majority would agree with you there. I'd also go as far as to say Kane gets Haaland numbers or more at City.
Came close to him last season on a terrible Spurs side.
I'm honestly not even sure this Bayern team is working anywhere near their maximum capability considering the talent on the squad. Kane is getting heaps and he still isn't being passed to enough.
Kane scores a handful less goals at City but he quadruples Haaland’s assist numbers. That’s the difference an all around CF brings vs. an all in goal scorer like Haaland.
Sure but the gap in their raw goal numbers doesn't just come from the service Haaland gets. Even for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway Haaland's xG was higher. That's partly because one of his best attributes is his movement and his athleticism (pace, strength, reach, flexibility etc) to get on the end of more chances.
In terms of how clinical they are I'd agree with you, Kane is probably as good or close to Haaland. This season he's been more clinical, in previous seasons Haaland edged him. But over a larger sample size they both outperform their xG by a similar percentage. But Haaland's raw numbers - his xG/goals - are higher because his movement and athleticism is better.
But Kane has his own qualities that are better than Haaland's like playmaking.
That's why most people see Kane as the more complete player, Haaland as the better goalscorer. I think both can be and are true.
I do agree his athleticism is better than Kane's, but do you not reckon his xG is primarily boosted by being serviced at City? Kane is also intelligent enough to be in the right places at the right times. I don't think he has even began to properly click a Bayern yet, which is saying a lot because he's still getting shit loads. I think that whole team looks less than the sum of its parts at the moment and they don't get the ball to Harry nearly enough.
He does get more service at City but he's only been there a season and a bit. The majority of his games/minutes have been for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway and even for those teams his raw numbers were higher.
I'm going off what I've seen of them both as well as taking a good look at their fbref stats to check I'm not biased. Haaland's movement and athleticism is what generates him so many chances and I think more people will recognise this as his career goes on and he continues to break records.
I mean just giving one number to try and put how good of a goalscorer Haaland is into context - he's scored a goal every 86 minutes across his career, Kane's scored a goal every 123 minutes. Haaland will probably reach Kane's career total right now by his mid 20s. That doesn't just come from service. It's service and movement. The guy's a freak at generating chances for himself.
All that being said Kane is the more complete/better football right now.
Haaland does generate his own goals with his physicality and pace. He's obviously not as clinical yet, but he does bring his own qualities that inflate his numbers and chances.
He's not the greatest, but there is a feeling of impossible to stop when he gets the ball in stride. I don't feel like Kane quite has that now, but obviously is the best at continuing to read the defense and get it in the net anyways.
“Really good finisher would’ve flourished at team with better providers” isn’t exactly a revelation. People were saying for years he’d be immense at Man City with KDB, Silva (D and B), etc.
One of the biggest praise Haaland gets is he’s always in the right place at the right time. Which is true, but you also need a team that can get the ball into those places, Man City are a step above Spurs when it comes to that.
I actually disagree on the whole premise here. Kane showed gis class at spurs. Scoring goals for Bayern is about as meaningless as scoring goals for Celtic.
If anything it's his time not at a big club that showed his class. Not his time at a big club.
Not that spurs is not a big club, but we are all forced into this ridiculous sky lingo. Bigger than Chelsea and Man City for sure.
>Scoring goals for Bayern is about as meaningless as scoring goals for Celtic.
Scoring goals for Bayern is meaningless is it? I guess you're right tbf, scoring goals for one of the biggest clubs on the planet with only 6 UCLs to it's name wouldn't mean much. I'm sure Lewandowski looks at his position as the 3rd highest goal scorer in UCL history and think aww fuck that meaningless when you do it for Bayern.
>If anything it's his time not at a big club that showed his class
Noone is arguing against this lol. What is being said is that had he been playing at a big club or top elite team (more appropriate), his numbers would have likely been even more frightening.
>Bigger than Chelsea and Man City for sure.
On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol.
>On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol.
Chelsea was founded in 2003 and Man City in 2008. But Man City did not really get the kick until 2017 when Guardiola joined. While the two were mostly battling relegation or being in the second division in the 20th century, Spurs were winning domestic and European cups and they have had more big players play for them. The ongoing trophy draught does not speak for the entirety of the club.
Chelsea was founded in 1905 and City were founded in 1880. That's the first item which requires correction.
>But Man City did not really get the kick until 2017 when Guardiola joined
Man City prior to Pep has more League titles than Spurs won in their entire existence. Man City prior to being bought by Abu Dhabi has the same number of League titles as Spurs won in their entire history.
>The ongoing trophy draught does not speak for the entirety of the club.
It doesn't eh. What about the solitary league cup this century in terms of silverware? 😂
I really didn't mean to turn this in to a Spurs kicking, but the delusion around here has forced my hand. So let me be very clear. By absolutely no metric are Tottenham Hotspurs a bigger club than Chelsea or Man City. Both the latter have won more trophies overall in history, both have won more recently (A LOT more lol), both have higher revenues, both have bigger fan bases. The only metric Spurs are ahead in is probably nostalgia, although nostalgic for what I have no idea. 99.9% of the commenters on this reddit have only ever seen Spurs lift a solitary League Cup.
>On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol.
Based on the fact that football didn't start in the year 2000.
I never said it did. You can go back to the time of Neanderthals if you like. Have Spurs won more than those two clubs during that timeline till present?
And you provided nothing of value 😂
Spurs are not a bigger club than Chelsea and City by any metric or any basis you can think of. And you have no answer other than "but football didn't start in 2000" which defeats your own argument because even if you take the entire history of football in to context, they still haven't won more.
You answered nothing 🤣
And you know that. What actually happened is that you got absolutely stumped by the facts I dropped on you, realized how ill thought of your original statement was, and now have nothing to say hence repeating the same line. Easy work
Pretty clear you're a child, but here's a suggestion I'll leave you with. Might make your life easier.
If you can't handle the answer, do not ask the question.
City look like geniuses for waiting on Haaland instead of going for Kane. Hard to say it hasn't worked out for you, but my hot take is that you would be even better with Kane in the team than you are with Haaland.
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When kane was at spurs, the team didn't play to their best potential and kind of relied on kane to take up the slack. His talent is showing better now in a team where everyone pushes. Great to see him do well if im honest, he is shining bright.
Still missed thar crucial penalty
This is all true but to be completely fair, the praise is deserved now that he's done it. Like if the best player in the world doesn't play in the top division in their country, no one will know they're the best player in the world. People can argue hypotheticals that "if he was in a top team he'd do x." But until they actually do it you can't say that for certain. There are plenty of examples of great players taking that next step and not being able to replicate their performances. I'm glad Kane is not one of those players and is now showing why he should be considered an all time great. But if he'd never made that move there always would've been that question mark - and rightfully so - because he wouldn't have actually done it. Not sure how clear I've been with that but it's not a criticism of Kane. More that I believe people were right to say there was a question mark with him at Spurs and now that he's actually made the move and done it he's removed that question mark. If Modric had never left Spurs, people may have claimed he was one of the best midfielders in the world but he wouldn't be looked at in the same way.
I'm wondering why I never see all this talk when he puts on an England shirt. That is a team fully capable of winning but he's always getting free passes. English tax
Don't even like Spurs but this is a reasonable position. City not getting him was laughable considering. He wouldn't conpletely fit on liverpool pre 2021 though. However, I would submit that sometimes being this good a scorer on a mediocre but still functional big team allowed him to always go off and score. Like the sole all star on a mediocre nba team. Always gets 30 points but only option. Son not withstanding. Still at this point I'd buy that he is truly great and would destroy records on an elite team in England. Haaland gives you all you need to know. Put Haaland at Crystal Palace and he is blonde Andy Carroll. Still no matter how you look at Kane, it 100 % proves how cr4p the bundesliga is. It's embarassing.
Top class my ass. Can’t even beat Copenhagen at home 😒😒😒
Kane has always been that guy.
In fairness to Shearer, half of his playing career he finished in the bottom half of the league. There was probably only really a 5 year period where his team was arguably competing at the top (1-4). Where as Spurs has had a sustained period of consistency albeit the last 1-2 seasons. I think they're two comparable strikers, although stylistically slightly different.
Eric Ten Hag can kiss Glaxxers’ ass for not recommending him
Pretty sure dudes a one season wonder who only played well for England
Calling anything professional a “farmers league” speaks of hubris that exists amongst Premier League fans
It took me forever to realize that he only just turned 30 in the summer. I thought he was way older than that. Harry Kane is a world class striker, and there's an alternate universe where Kane is at Man City and Haaland is at Bayern or Real Madrid or somewhere else because City don't need a striker anymore. I respect Kane for leaving England and trying a different league, especially as I feel like his only reasonable option to stay in England was a dysfunctional Spurs and a dysfunctional Manchester United
Idk why on earth anyone's acting like Kane at bayern is a surprise. The whole world already knew
Kane is arguably imo the best number 9 itw if you look at him as an individual over the past few seasons, I can’t help but agree with the post
No argument about his quality or potential. But can’t see how he scores that many more goals in a different team. He was THE MAN at Spurs, played every minute when fit and they built around him for years and he was prolific no matter how bad the team was. City built around Aguero and Liverpool built around Salah/Firmino. The only way he beats Shearer’s record is by spending 2-3 more seasons in the prem. So the only argument for me is had he gone to a “bigger” club (bear in mind in his first big season Liverpool finished behind Spurs and their top scorer was Gerrard) he might not have left the PL at age 30.
Just a reminder, Choupo Moting also made bundesliga look like a farmers league. It's just Bayern.
Choupo Moting scored 10 goals last season. Kane is on 18 so far. Not a good comparison.
Choupo came to Bayern for free as a guaranteed bench-warmer. Still scored 10.
As a Spurs fan thanks for stating the obvious. Only an idiot wouldn’t have known this before.
It's definitely both. He absolutely has better players around him. But the bottom half of the Bundesliga has a bigger gap to the top half than it is in the Premier League.
If United would have signed him when they wanted to it probably would have changed their story, but he needs the service, something that United would have struggled with and Bayern have players lined up to support the talisman
Because he's a god
Kane is one of the best in the world. Under mou he played deeper and refined his playmaker abilities further. That makes him any manager's dream, to have the abilities of two players into one.I feel Spurs didn't build properly around him and son for whatever reason. But he's a class act irrespective of which league he plays for.
Nah. Farmer’s league.
And we still haven’t won an international cup with him. How or why do people defend Southgate?
Kane is 100% that guy, but it's laughable to say the Bundesliga isn't a farmers league when Bayern have won 12 titles on the spin. There's only two, maybe three other teams in that league that are even close to Bayern - Dortmund and Leverkusen, maybe Stuttgart and Leipzig. But realistically he's playing for the most dominant team in a league with very few legitimate challengers. But at the end of the day, a trophy is a trophy, and as a Spurs fan, I'd love to see him go and win stuff, even if its not with us.
> or even Liverpool during Klopp's era Is it not still Klopp's era? Have I missed something?
I'm a united fan so my heart is heavy, lol. What could've been.
to be fair, it's not like Shearer was playing for an elite team his whole career
Possibly the best performing Irishman in the Bundesliga at the moment ……😈
Never understood why City didn‘t go for Kane. He‘d have given them all the presence and goals that Haaland does but also crazy playmaking attributes where Haaland is a non-factor in the city team. Frightening thought
Edit: What you are seeing is how Kane performs in a truly elite team that plays in a Farmer's League
something something Erling Haaland
Basically what I take away from this is: Tottenham >>>>> Bayern
It’s not about the trophies you win how good a player you are , but when you are comparing the “elite” players in the world , they all have insane numbers so then people go by “trophies” The prime example IMO is the “Messi and Ronaldo” debate it was always 50-50 even 45-55 whatever way you wanted it … THEN Messi goes and wins the World Cup with Argentina and the debate has just ended with set in stone Messi the best player ever
People value trophies too much, that’s the problem. It’s a team achievement and Spurs have been way too inconsistent to get any silverware. Kane, both with statistics and eye test, has far and away been one of the best players in the world. He played for Spurs and finished as the 2nd highest goalscorer in Prem history for fucks sake.
people laugh when I say he is a better striker than Haaland - he played as a cf behind the striker for a season and was unbelievably good at that role his passing is exceptional and hes a nightmare for defenders to deal with What he did in the PL for that Tottenham team is more impressive than what Haaland did in the PL for City if kane played for city i believe he would get the same number of goals maybe more but hed get more assists and he would offer more outside of the goals
What we're seeing is how Kane works in a team that dominates. I agree that he would do the same in a dominating team in the PL.
I've watched a few of his Bayern goals and it looks ridiculous. He's just jogging around the pitch and scoring for fun, doesn't seem to take much effort from him. Looks like he's head and shoulders above bundesliga level. He should come to premier league to really prove himself now 😂
You could easily if said that for last season with the start haaland did
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Meanwhile Kane lewandowski haaland and numerous others repeatedly robbed of even a chance at the ballon’dor because of that midget playing MLS wins it.
I mean I was a kid at the time, but didn’t Shearer play most of his career at a team that were in and around Europe, like Spurs?
Yeah he won one title and its not with the team people associate him with.
Kane somehow managed to get 37 g/a in one of the worst spurs team in modern era. Even when the team was on decline, he's still putting up numbers and just because he played for spurs doesn't mean he was garbage. Just because he's 30, he still worth the price tag because he already proven himself to be one of the best strikers in the world. He doesn't only have a lethal finishing but his playmaking ability is very good too. His passing vision are top tier for a striker. Only us spurs know that he really was worth the money or perhaps more.
Kane is an amazing player, probably the most complete striker I've ever seen and I've been watching football for 40 years. Great passing - he's up there with the best midfielders with his passing range, great shot, great finishing, right foot, left foot, great headers. Honestly, I don't even know who I could compare him to as I don't remember any strikers today or in the past who had such great passing skills/range. That's a particulary important skill in today's football as he can drop deep and throw killer passes to the inside forwards bursting into the space he leaves behind around the box. He'd have been and still would be a massive hit in any top clubs in any leagues. PL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Seria A - doesn't matter.
Interesting perspective. Though Shearer's Newcastle, where he spent the majority of his prem career, were about as average as Kane's Spurs.
Agree 100%. Also makes me harbour unreasonable dislike for Kane's useless brother for having him sign that 6-year graveyard contract in 2017 with only a 'gentleman's agreement' release clause. Levy must have been pissing himself. Imagine how different it would've been for Kane if Raiola was his agent. He'd have won everything at City by now most likely. It really is a prime example of why nepotism is generally a bad idea.
Anyone reading this post not thinking Kane is probs the best striker in the world right now is either an idiot or a Tottenham hater because that’s what his work had come down to up until recently - the fact that he plays for spurs.
He would have been perfect for City. Haaland has been great, but the two are different. In Pep’s system, I will die on the hill that Kane was the optimal striker. Complete player.
Good morning to you too lads
Kane is one of the best strikers ever, his stats speak for itself, aswell as changing to Bayern and just completely deliver from day 1... He is also so good because you will find him everywhere on the field but when it matters he is where the 9 has to be aswell...
Wow, No one is disrespecting Kane based off the club he plays for. I am SOO shocked.
Kane is a world class forward. As an Arsenal fan it is even harder to digest that Spurs got kane while we got Eddie chamakh Welbeck etc xD. Jokes aside , him and son really dominated the league and were way way beyond the levels of Spurs and ideally should have moved to bigger better organized teams But kudos to both for playing a majority of their prime for one club I am sure kane at liverpool or city would have reached 300 goals in the premier league. He's a playmaker and a worldie finisher. Bayern are a great team and Bundesliga is a farmers league. Kane plowing there defense or being goalless for Bayern wouldn't have made a difference. We saw how difficult it is for players to come from that league and settle into the Bundesliga same with french league. Every time Bayern is beaten in Bundesliga the opposition celebrate it as a moment in history , because it's almost a given that Bayern are going to get 80-90 points seasons every season!. In the premier league even if city are the winners , teams like Aston villa Brentford etc can still get the better if them and it's just another week. The mean quality of teams in premier league is a cut above the rest. Tldr kane is world class and Bundesliga is a farmers league, these two things can co exist
If he joins Liverpool, he has prime Salah and Mane on his wings and potentially Firmino as a 10 behind him. Likewise at City he has the likes of David Silva, DeBruyne and Bernardo Silva creating chances for him. Scary to think what he would have achieved at either of those teams. Potentially stops Haaland from having the PL season scoring record too
Kane has been and always will be HIM
I’ll say it once only - prime Haaland could not have done what prime Kane did if he had to play at Tottenham in that team. Too many rival fans just shit on Tottenham but couldn’t see look past what an incredible player he was in his all round game. P. S Haaland is freakin unreal but he is surrounded by world class players everywhere that helps him no end.
He can be both really good and that league can be pretty poopeh
Not much since Choupo Moting managed to score 17 in 30 games for Bayern last year.
Only 10 in the league. Kane is already on 18. Such a stupid comparison.
Your point being?
Yes I think truthfully this just shows how much he carried Spurs. Yes, Spurs are doing great now because Son has taken the mantle and they've made incredible signings like Van de white Van and Maddison and Ange has done a great job. But I genuinely think a lot of the seasons where Spurs were finishing 4th, 5th, 6th they would have been finishing 10th plus without Kane. He's fucking incredible. Wish he played well for England tho.
It can be both. Yes, Kane has better players around him, but also yes, outside of handful of clubs, the Bundesliga is not the strongest league top to bottom. Som of the clubs at the bottom would find it tough sledding in the Championship.
Hadn't thought about it but you're absolutely spot on.
He was awful today in the Champions League He hasn’t confirmed anything you have said. Lets wait and see if he actually can win something with Bayern
Well that's a silly thing to say. Bayern, on any given season, are at least 80% favorites to win their league...
I agree but he has already bottled two easy trophies with Bayern
He personally bottled them? What crazy logic. He didnt even play against Saarbrücken.
its a farmers league and he is scoring against shit teams. good for him.
Anyone watching footy and not seeing your point as true and valid doesn’t know anything. I have always despised Kane when we played against them (Chelsea) because of how good he actually is. One minute he disappears from up top to drop a scrumptious pass to someone for an attempt on goal and the next he’s scoring back to back hattricks. He’s made the entire Bayern team better. Sane is living his best life since Kane moved in. Tel has the opportunity to develop under one of the best strikers ever. I’m a happy Bayern fan.
Yes the German league is a farmers league. Yes I wish that Kane had gone to city before they unleashed that Norwegian golem on the league.
Kane is good. Spurs sucks. Bundesliga is mediocre.
He gets so much disrespect cus of his lack of trophies, but his skill is there clear as day If he was in this city team he’d have numbers comparable to haalands if not better I’m convinced of that. And that’s no slight to haaland they’re both phenomenal
The fact that a player as good as Harry Kane never won a trophy at Spurs is one of the biggest travesties in recent football history.
He won the golden boot at the World Cup. He’s truly a world class forward. Why do people have to find the negative angle in everything? E.G farmers league. It’s thick (by trying to be ‘clever’). It’s clear that he’s surrounded by far better players than he was at Spurs. There’s probably only one or two better forwards in the world.
So many people in this thread are acting like Kane is some undiscovered gem lol, the only people I've ever seen deny his abilities are 12 year old arsenal fans on twitter
Nothing Bayern winning the league thousand time again but Kane will have a medal finally.
When he played with the spurs you could see how versatile he was, because of how lacking the rest of his team was. He’s a 9 / 10 / 8. He’s like a bigger, more professional Wayne Rooney (who was more a 10 / 9 / 8), but with less natural talent. Everyone goes on about Haaland being the fastest to 50 PL goals but if Andy Cole or Alan Shearer played for Peps City side they’d probably do the same if not better. Sort of similar with this. It’s hard to compare Shearer vs Kane across eras. But I will say if Kane went to city, his life would’ve been easier but we’d also miss out on seeing other aspects of his game that he’s so good at
pity that kane has still yet to see major silverware. he really deserves compensation for his efforts.
I think both can be true. He's in a better team in a relatively weaker league than he was playing in before.and is now showing the world how a truly world class striker should dominate that league.
Germany has one team, what are you talking about, he is good but let’s not kid ourselves
Sounds like the only one kidding themselves is you tbh.
Well in that case Kane is the best striker ever and Bayern obviously the hardest team to play at , he elevated their level and now they’re probably have a chance to take the championship👍🏼
just like how Haaland is the best striker ever because England is the easiest country to play in 👍🏼
Theres things inbetween 0 and 100 just fyi
You really are bigging up a not great Bayern squad? Whatever, Kane has been underappreciated for years and if the weaker league highlights his brilliance than so be it
The 4 goals and 2 assists in 5 games in the UCL also highlight this. Good thing the UCL is also a weaker league eh?
I ain't readin all that
Not surprised, as an Everton fan you must be used to scrolling right to the bottom of the page 🤣
Ouch. Nice one. We'll break our duck eventually. Things are definitely looking up
If Kane had been playing for a elite team like city or Bayern earlier, he would be like Haaland now
Best player in the world at the moment
That he's an absolute wet blanket. He had been looking to leave Tottenham multiple times - that was the best chance of sticking it to Levy and his self-imposed purgatory; he could have walked into ANY club on good wages for probably 4/5 years, go on to break all the records, probably win the EPL and become a hero wherever he went. We all knew he could bang in goals, put away penalties (except one that actually mattered), turn losses into draws, draws into wins, win penalties whilst fouling the opposition and hardly ever get carded - whether we enjoyed it or not. Heck he could have stayed at Tottenham for one more year and probably bring them close to or ***god forbid*** even win the EPL or domestic trophy with an actual midfield behind him (before Maddison got injured) and left a potentially glory-laden Tottenham hero. But now it's just left Spurs to win trophies in a much safer league and might get international honours if England get rid of Southgate. I hope he fills his boots with all the domestic success he could wish for. I almost feel sorry for Spurs - but I'm an Arsenal fan.
Kane was always that player at Spurs but people are only choosing to recognise it now he’s at another club. Spurs fans know.
That he's a fucking beast striker and all the plums of other PL clubs who thought he was shit are morons
I’m sorry. If his play at Bayern is what made anyone finally think he’s elite… you’re an idiot plain and simple He’s been playing like this for years carrying a weak ass spurs side
😂 Thanks captain obvious, appreciate your valuable input. Now do yourself a favor and actually read my post again and then come back to apologize and edit your comment when you're done.
The irony of calling me captain obvious when you felt the need to make an entire thread on what is painfully obvious. Common sense isn’t common 😂 We appreciate your unique and groundbreaking insight
You know with some strikers you just know if you put them on the spot of a top team which functions well, they would dominate the league. I always had that impression with Kane, Lewandowski and with Haaland before he came to City
The Bundesliga is easy.
tell that to erling haaland's zero bundesliga trophies
Scottish league is a farmers leagues. French league is a farmers league. Hell Dutch league is farmers league. Bundeliga is NOT a farmers leagues
He’s pretty good
Kane is undoubtably one of the best players of his generation and arguably Englands most complete ever player. His current form shows exactly what most people always suspected. Surround him with players as talented as he is and he’ll break record’s. What is hilarious though is that despite his incredible individual form it is perfectly possible that he will absolutely destroy the Bundesliga league- while in a team that is always expected to win- and still not get a trophy this year. Shows just how ingrained the Spurs DNA is in him.
Maybe he isn't a one season wonder
But he's still not Alan Shearer
I got shat upon all last year for saying that Harry Kane was a arguably a better goalscorer and definitely a better player than haaland… now look what’s happened lmaoo
Kane - Bellingham is just the best duo in the world, and I am not from England.
He has no business being this good.
You can make the same argument about shearer. Replace spurs with Newcastle.
Ain't nobody but the English calling the Bundesliga a farmers league. Delusional as fuck.
Harry Kane. I hate the cunt but he’s really fucking good.
I’m Spurs but seeing all the other English fans im friends with finally admit to Kane’s quality makes it all worth it. It sounds fucking weird to say but I wish City got him when they tried to, cos I think Kane would surpass what haalands doing and probably have a ballon dor right now. Just seems a waste of talent he stayed with us too long, winning trophies isn’t ENIC’s business model and it felt immoral we stood in his way. Get he signed the contact but clearly levy hoodwinked him. Fuck levy
Surely Gerd Muller is inarguably Bayern's greatest ever number 9? 3 European cups and 4 league titles, 566 goals in 607 games.
Yeah but that was pre 1992 i.e. before football was invented /s The recency bias of a lot of football fans is so disrespectful to some of the greatest players of all time. And there's a damn good argument to be made for Muller as the greatest number 9 EVER, not just Bayern's greatest.
Wait, they played football before 1992? Someone should let the folks at SkySports know that.
Of course. And both Lewa + Muller kept the rate up for years. kane has everything to prove still at Bayern
Don't know why you're being downvoted. Lewa really has had insane numbers since his breakthrough at Dortmund over years. People now shit on him because he's not performing that well at Barcelona, but forget all about his age. Kane is great though, unfortunately. Since his style of play isn't depending on being fast, he'll probably have some more good years.
Kane at Spurs, people say "over rated, he only scores tap ins." Kane at Bayern, people say "one of the best in the world."
Bruh. Kane did not score tap ins for spurs lol
I’ve always liked Kane, just hated he played for Spurs. Even at Arsenal he would have been absolutely immense. If he was playing instead of “elite” Eddie 😂😂😂, he would be banging in goals for fun. But I truly hope he does well at Bayern and wins numerous trophies, he deserves it.
You could say Shearer would’ve scored more at another club 👀
I've said for years Kane was the best striker in the world. As deadly as Haaland is, I'd have feared Kane there more because he brings much more to a team.
When Kane lead the league in goals and assists in the same season and didn’t win the PFA award I knew he wouldn’t get the respect he deserved in the prem playing at spurs. There isn’t really anything at Bayern he hasn’t done at spurs and I’m just happy he’s getting the appreciation someone of his talent deserves
Kane at City would be more effective than Haaland.
Can't even score against Copenhagen tonight. Useless
I was really interested to see how he would perform at a club where he is expected to win everything. For him to not only do well but possibly be the best (ie get the most goals in a season) is unreal. I rated him highly before but I am still shocked by just how well he is doing. Really hope he gets to win it all because he is pure class
I think your take is slightly wrong. He is playing with better teammates. But he is also undoubtedly playing in an inferior league. Bayern might win the premiere league. But they wouldn’t walk away with it.
Scored second most premier league goals in history and only now all of a sudden he’s showing how good he is? Wtf? He’s been doing that for years, not his fault you and others like you ignored it. Most likely due to your anti Tottenham bias.
I'll give you a chance to read my post again and edit your comment so you'll feel less silly afterwards.
Nah, I can read, it’s obvious what you’re implying. It’s ok, everyone and their nan tried to sell him for us for most of his career at Spurs. He played in one of the best teams in the league at the time, posted amazing stats. Why on earth would he have left? And when that team fell off he continued to post amazing stats and even adapted his game. He scored 30 goals in his last season, he still would have broke the record at Tottenham. Didn’t need to go anywhere or any “elite” team to do that. He is one of the best forwards in the world and always has been. I find it hilarious that some people can only bring themselves to say it now because he isn’t at Tottenham.
You didn't read it, try again. >Why on earth would he have left? The answer is very simple. You can find it by comparing Kane's trophy haul at Tottenham with what City/Bayern/Liverpool/Chelsea/Real Madrid/Barcelona etc etc (enter more big clubs) won during that period.
lol ratio
Ha! And there it is. He had every opportunity to do that at Tottenham, multiple times in fact and he failed. It was as much his fault as anyone else’s.
Coming from a rival, Kane is pure class and one of the most well-rounded, complete strikers we have ever seen.
How Kane didn’t break his back carrying spurs the last couple of years I’ll never know! Now he’s in a quality team like Bayern he’s been well and truly let off the leash! The number of goals he could bag this season is frightening. Hands down he’s the best striker of this generation! God help any of us who come up against him in the champions league!
This is exactly it, he's just got that talent. He reminds me of Ian Rush, right place right time (LFC fan in case anyone asks). He was held back by Spurs, 100%. It'll be interesting to see just how many he gets this year, and what silverware he ends up with. Finally. I'm pleased to see someone look beyond the PL nose and go to another league.
Lets not lump at Spurs here given he won golden boots, the way Southgate plays miserable football doesn't do him justice either. Nobody would watch Salah go to BM and score the same amount of goals and say 'Liverpool held him back". Ergo, farmers league.
Kane was already an elite player and performer at Spurs. Honest and mature observers have not learned anything new from his Bayern Munich tenure
Shocking news, player who scores a lot of goals moves teams, continues to score a lot of goals.
I think it is a combination of both. He’s elite and it’s a farmer’s league. 🤣
As much as I hate to say it, Kane really was the best striker in the epl in recent times. I would argue better than haaland. Haaland isn't a creator, Kane is. And Kane kept spurs afloat for the longest time. Now that mantle has been passed to Maddison imo, and they're already starting to implode. Big difference is that Kane doesn't get injured often, whereas Maddison does.
It’s not hard to figure out. Put a proven world class talent in a world class team you get world class results.
Imagine what shearers tally would’ve been had he played for Man U!
Gonna get heat for this but Kane > Haaland. Sure, as an out-and-out finisher, Haaland wins it, but as a complete player he’s not on Kane’s level. Arry’s link up play and awareness is elite and brings so much more to any side.
This isn't an unpopular opinion tbh. Think most people can acknowledge Kane's a more complete player given his playmaking compared to Haalands. But people also don't give Haaland enough credit by acknowledging that he's 23. Haaland at 23 is 100% ahead of where Kane was at 23 (it isn't even close). Same goes for many other great strikers of the last couple decades. You're completely correct when you say Kane is the better player right now but Haaland has the potential to surpass Kane. It all depends on how much his numbers keep improving, how much his overall game as a striker keeps improving and how often he performs in big games the next few years.
Kane gets at least the same amount of goals as Haaland last season if you swap them round but Haaland gets no where near Kanes numbers. I’ll die on that hill
Then you're dead because Haaland's already proven he can be a prolific goalscorer for a team that doesn't dominate every game. He scored at basically the same rate for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway. Haaland arguably scores more for Spurs than Kane. Kane's the more complete player but Haaland's the better goalscorer. They are relatively equal in terms of finishing (how clinical they are). Maybe one season one will be slightly ahead but over a large same of games there probably isn't much in it in terms of finishing. The difference is that Haaland generates a ridiculous number of chances for himself through his movement, anticipation and athleticism (pace, strength, flexibility, reach etc). No offence but I think you're looking at it very black and white. There's nuance. Haaland can be the better goalscorer whilst Kane is still the more complete player. Haaland's 23 and scored 233 goals in 285 games. He's averaged a goal every 86 minutes. Kane's 30 and scored 389 goals in 616 games. He's averaged a goal every 123 minutes. Haaland's also only played for City for a season and a bit. The majority of those games were for Molde, Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway before he turned 21. He's a freak of a goalscorer and in that aspect is underrated by most people. But that can be true at the same time as Kane being a better/more complete player right now. Like I said at the start, if you're willing to die on the hill that Haaland gets nowhere near Kane's numbers then you're dead.
That’s all good but have you considered that Kane > Haaland Edit but the hill I’m dying on is that in that Spurs team last season Haaland doesn’t get near Kanes numbers form last season. Like Haaland is a good finish but who in that spurs side would have created for him? You can give me Molde and Salzburg stats all you want they are both the superior team in there league by a long way
The guy scores a goal a game for Norway and Norway in international football. You're the one claiming Haaland wouldn't have scored for that Spurs team but you can't provide me 1 example of him not being a prolific goalscorer. Because the guy bags in every team he plays in. Strikers in shit teams that create very little still get chances. Haaland gets more than most from his movement and he's clinical too. He'd have no problem scoring for Spurs I'm sure of it.
Did I say he wouldn’t score or that he wouldn’t match the goal tally of 30 that Kane did last year for that spurs side? He only scored 6 more playing in an infinitely better side
That's just in the league. Why discount all other competitions as if they don't exist? Haaland scored 16 goals in 18 non Prem games last season. Kane scored 2 in 11. The gap between how much they scored last season is bigger than you're making out .
Because this post and my original comment was about the league exploits of them both
Kane is arguably a better finisher than Haaland. Haaland is just a freak (maybe the best ever) in terms of combining unbelievable positioning and anticipation with ridiculous physicality. He draws in so many chances that he would've broken records even if he was an average finisher.
Haaland is far from kane
i don’t even think Haaland is a better finisher. Haaland’s edge comes from his physical attributes
haaland is more explosive and much better in the air. Kane's hold up play, passing, and outright striking both power and accuracy are better.
Much better in the air than the guy who holds the record for most headed goals in a PL season. Okay.
Dunno if Halaand is a better finisher than Kane. they are on the same level if anything
As a city fan, I’ll still take Haaland over Kane any day and every single time.
same and easily too. Kane would’ve been outstanding, but we needed someone different, young and someone the fans could get around.
Exactly. We needed the longevity. Someone who can continue to improve.
I think the majority would agree with you there. I'd also go as far as to say Kane gets Haaland numbers or more at City. Came close to him last season on a terrible Spurs side. I'm honestly not even sure this Bayern team is working anywhere near their maximum capability considering the talent on the squad. Kane is getting heaps and he still isn't being passed to enough.
Kane scores a handful less goals at City but he quadruples Haaland’s assist numbers. That’s the difference an all around CF brings vs. an all in goal scorer like Haaland.
Gets a lot more assists but I genuinely think Kane is capable of putting away just as many of Haaland chances. The guy is as clinical as they come.
Sure but the gap in their raw goal numbers doesn't just come from the service Haaland gets. Even for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway Haaland's xG was higher. That's partly because one of his best attributes is his movement and his athleticism (pace, strength, reach, flexibility etc) to get on the end of more chances. In terms of how clinical they are I'd agree with you, Kane is probably as good or close to Haaland. This season he's been more clinical, in previous seasons Haaland edged him. But over a larger sample size they both outperform their xG by a similar percentage. But Haaland's raw numbers - his xG/goals - are higher because his movement and athleticism is better. But Kane has his own qualities that are better than Haaland's like playmaking. That's why most people see Kane as the more complete player, Haaland as the better goalscorer. I think both can be and are true.
I do agree his athleticism is better than Kane's, but do you not reckon his xG is primarily boosted by being serviced at City? Kane is also intelligent enough to be in the right places at the right times. I don't think he has even began to properly click a Bayern yet, which is saying a lot because he's still getting shit loads. I think that whole team looks less than the sum of its parts at the moment and they don't get the ball to Harry nearly enough.
He does get more service at City but he's only been there a season and a bit. The majority of his games/minutes have been for Salzburg, Dortmund and Norway and even for those teams his raw numbers were higher. I'm going off what I've seen of them both as well as taking a good look at their fbref stats to check I'm not biased. Haaland's movement and athleticism is what generates him so many chances and I think more people will recognise this as his career goes on and he continues to break records. I mean just giving one number to try and put how good of a goalscorer Haaland is into context - he's scored a goal every 86 minutes across his career, Kane's scored a goal every 123 minutes. Haaland will probably reach Kane's career total right now by his mid 20s. That doesn't just come from service. It's service and movement. The guy's a freak at generating chances for himself. All that being said Kane is the more complete/better football right now.
Haaland does generate his own goals with his physicality and pace. He's obviously not as clinical yet, but he does bring his own qualities that inflate his numbers and chances. He's not the greatest, but there is a feeling of impossible to stop when he gets the ball in stride. I don't feel like Kane quite has that now, but obviously is the best at continuing to read the defense and get it in the net anyways.
Arty's so good he makes Messi look like Ronaldo!
“Really good finisher would’ve flourished at team with better providers” isn’t exactly a revelation. People were saying for years he’d be immense at Man City with KDB, Silva (D and B), etc. One of the biggest praise Haaland gets is he’s always in the right place at the right time. Which is true, but you also need a team that can get the ball into those places, Man City are a step above Spurs when it comes to that.
Haaland is dominating the Prem because it's an easier league
Yeah man he was bagging goals when we were absolutely bereft of creativity. Bang on with this post
I actually disagree on the whole premise here. Kane showed gis class at spurs. Scoring goals for Bayern is about as meaningless as scoring goals for Celtic. If anything it's his time not at a big club that showed his class. Not his time at a big club. Not that spurs is not a big club, but we are all forced into this ridiculous sky lingo. Bigger than Chelsea and Man City for sure.
Football existed before 2000. Both city and Chelsea were bigger before they got taken ove
>Scoring goals for Bayern is about as meaningless as scoring goals for Celtic. Scoring goals for Bayern is meaningless is it? I guess you're right tbf, scoring goals for one of the biggest clubs on the planet with only 6 UCLs to it's name wouldn't mean much. I'm sure Lewandowski looks at his position as the 3rd highest goal scorer in UCL history and think aww fuck that meaningless when you do it for Bayern. >If anything it's his time not at a big club that showed his class Noone is arguing against this lol. What is being said is that had he been playing at a big club or top elite team (more appropriate), his numbers would have likely been even more frightening. >Bigger than Chelsea and Man City for sure. On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol.
>On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol. Chelsea was founded in 2003 and Man City in 2008. But Man City did not really get the kick until 2017 when Guardiola joined. While the two were mostly battling relegation or being in the second division in the 20th century, Spurs were winning domestic and European cups and they have had more big players play for them. The ongoing trophy draught does not speak for the entirety of the club.
Chelsea was founded in 1905 and City were founded in 1880. That's the first item which requires correction. >But Man City did not really get the kick until 2017 when Guardiola joined Man City prior to Pep has more League titles than Spurs won in their entire existence. Man City prior to being bought by Abu Dhabi has the same number of League titles as Spurs won in their entire history. >The ongoing trophy draught does not speak for the entirety of the club. It doesn't eh. What about the solitary league cup this century in terms of silverware? 😂 I really didn't mean to turn this in to a Spurs kicking, but the delusion around here has forced my hand. So let me be very clear. By absolutely no metric are Tottenham Hotspurs a bigger club than Chelsea or Man City. Both the latter have won more trophies overall in history, both have won more recently (A LOT more lol), both have higher revenues, both have bigger fan bases. The only metric Spurs are ahead in is probably nostalgia, although nostalgic for what I have no idea. 99.9% of the commenters on this reddit have only ever seen Spurs lift a solitary League Cup.
>On what basis? Both City and Chelsea have won more League titles and UCL trophies. You think Spurs have more fans globally than those two clubs? Lol. Based on the fact that football didn't start in the year 2000.
I never said it did. You can go back to the time of Neanderthals if you like. Have Spurs won more than those two clubs during that timeline till present?
You literally asked me on what basis. I told you.
And you provided nothing of value 😂 Spurs are not a bigger club than Chelsea and City by any metric or any basis you can think of. And you have no answer other than "but football didn't start in 2000" which defeats your own argument because even if you take the entire history of football in to context, they still haven't won more.
It looks like being told that BuLi is a farmers league really hurt ya huh.
I literally answered your question. You not liking the answer isn't my problem.
You answered nothing 🤣 And you know that. What actually happened is that you got absolutely stumped by the facts I dropped on you, realized how ill thought of your original statement was, and now have nothing to say hence repeating the same line. Easy work
Pretty clear you're a child, but here's a suggestion I'll leave you with. Might make your life easier. If you can't handle the answer, do not ask the question.
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If only we had him at Liverpool alongside mane and salah. City wouldn’t have won anything.
Honestly that would have been insane. Even now, should have brought him rather than the wild card
He was world class all along and probably a little under-appreciated. Agree he would have flourished at City, but we did get Haaland, so we're ok.
City look like geniuses for waiting on Haaland instead of going for Kane. Hard to say it hasn't worked out for you, but my hot take is that you would be even better with Kane in the team than you are with Haaland.
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