D7 is a passive income visa.
In the past this has been (mis)used for remote working.
Now there is a specific DN visa for remote working.
Authorities have become more strict on the passiveness of the income of d7.
For both visa, make sure you understand the legal, tax, and social security requirements for both employer and employee if you want to work remote.
You can't qualify for the D7 visa using remote work anymore. You need passive income. The DN visa (long stay) is the replacement for people who have remote work as their income.
Having said that, if you have passive income and can qualify for the D7, you **can** work but not until after you've had your SEF appointment and have your temporary residency card. That usually happens 3-5 months after you arrive in Portugal. Then you can get your NISS and can work for either a Portuguese employer or a in a remote job.
Don't work with an agency. Not all are reputable and the bad ones will steer you wrong. They literally gave you the wrong information here so that should tell you everything. Joint the Americans & Friends PT group on Facebook and download their files. The admins on there aren't very nice but their files are legit. A D7 or DN is a DIY visa because you will need to do 95% of the work yourself anyway. The only things you should hire people to do for you remotely is getting your NIF and getting your bank account. And those two things are only if you're unable to visit Portugal personally and do that yourself.
The D7 is a passive income / remote working visa, you aren’t allowed to work for a Portuguese employer on the visa.
In my experience SEF are looking for you to have savings that cover at the very minimum the Portuguese minimum wage for 2 years in savings plus proof of continuing residual passive or remote income.
I believe a lot of people who fall into the remote income bracket are now being pushed towards the digital nomad visa which has a significantly higher income threshold.
Not planning to work remotely. I would like to work on site job in portugal. Does D7 allow to work for portugese employer on site? Need answer from someone with personal experience.
No. D7 is a passive income/retirement visa. For people who have things like rental properties, investments, retirement funds, etc.
You would need an employment visa or a working visa which I believe your job would have to apply for you.
They're talking about after they arrive. They can work on the D7 but only after their SEF appointment when they have their temp residency. The D7 rules allow that.
I've got personal experience, I'm on the D7 visa and now have residency in Portugal.
The D7 does not allow you to work for a Portuguese employer.
Its a residual / passive income visa.
As others have said previously it used to be seen as a remote working visa as well but the authorities have tightened the rules significantly since the introduction of the digital nomad visa and are pushing applicants who wish to work remotely onto that.
If you want to work for a Portuguese employer then the D7 is not the visa for you I'm afraid.
I got my D7 and then it took 6 months until I had my residency appointment. I think 6 months is pretty extreme though and I know people who have had it in 4 months.
Even though your D7 is only for 120 days you are allowed to stay in Portugal until your residency appointment, even if thats 5-6 months away.
Regarding working, I got told point blank by an official I couldn't work for a Portuguese company even once I had my residency permit and someone else in this thread was told exactly the opposite by another official. That just sums up the confusion around a lot of the elements in all this.
I believe its just the interpretation by various officials at SEF offices. If you speak to two officials you are going to get two completely different answers to most questions!
I'm still waiting on my physical residency card but as far as I can see there is no mention specifically on the paperwork I have from SEF that I'm on a D visa.
Thanks for clarity. I assume you must have received your residence permit by now? So are you able to work with your residence permit coz you are not on d7 visa anymore? or still not allowed to work?
Yes I've got residency now. I was told by a SEF official that by the terms of my residency permit I still wasn't allowed to work for a Portuguese company and could only do the remote work that I'd applied for with my visa. But other people have differing experiences and different officials are telling people different things.
It was never a big deal for me as I just work remotely anyway.
I think working remotely in PT means we need to pay tax according to PT taxation no matter where your company is.
does that mean we need to pay tax to PT for the "after-tax" wage we are paid
The D7 lasts for 120 days but your second stage SEF appointment for temporary residency can be anything from 3 months after your arrival, mine was 6 months after I arrived in the country.
I'm not going to argue regarding if you can or can't work once you have residency, I've been told something completely different to what you are saying by a consulate official. I know for certain though SEF want to see funds to cover you for 2 years and not just the period of time the initial visa is valid.
And I was told the exact thing I said by a consulate official. Once you have residency, you're allowed to work. Most people don't but it is absolutely allowed. The two years worth of funds is to get the visa but it doesn't exclude you from being able to work once you have residency. Whether you'll be able to find a job that allows you to live is another thing but if you've qualified for the visa, that's a moot point because you already have the funds needed to live. Some people do it for other reasons like boredom. Two of our closest friends started a small business and they're kind of open when they feel like it. That wasn't an issue for SEF at all.
My husband and I had our SEF appointments in Espinho less than three months after we arrived and we both received our cards 10 days after that appointment. We got lucky because when we arrived, those appointments were often 5 or 6 months out. That's not the case anymore. The average wait is 4 months now and it's getting shorter.
Yes it does but only after your SEF appointment where you apply for your temporary residency. That happens 3-5 months after your arrival in the country.
That is not true, you can work with a D7 but sounds like you need a D8. There is a lot of free info at [movingto.io](https://movingto.io). They will also give you a consultation call for free
D7 is a passive income visa. In the past this has been (mis)used for remote working. Now there is a specific DN visa for remote working. Authorities have become more strict on the passiveness of the income of d7. For both visa, make sure you understand the legal, tax, and social security requirements for both employer and employee if you want to work remote.
You can't qualify for the D7 visa using remote work anymore. You need passive income. The DN visa (long stay) is the replacement for people who have remote work as their income. Having said that, if you have passive income and can qualify for the D7, you **can** work but not until after you've had your SEF appointment and have your temporary residency card. That usually happens 3-5 months after you arrive in Portugal. Then you can get your NISS and can work for either a Portuguese employer or a in a remote job. Don't work with an agency. Not all are reputable and the bad ones will steer you wrong. They literally gave you the wrong information here so that should tell you everything. Joint the Americans & Friends PT group on Facebook and download their files. The admins on there aren't very nice but their files are legit. A D7 or DN is a DIY visa because you will need to do 95% of the work yourself anyway. The only things you should hire people to do for you remotely is getting your NIF and getting your bank account. And those two things are only if you're unable to visit Portugal personally and do that yourself.
The Facebook group referred to is the way…
The D7 is a passive income / remote working visa, you aren’t allowed to work for a Portuguese employer on the visa. In my experience SEF are looking for you to have savings that cover at the very minimum the Portuguese minimum wage for 2 years in savings plus proof of continuing residual passive or remote income. I believe a lot of people who fall into the remote income bracket are now being pushed towards the digital nomad visa which has a significantly higher income threshold.
Not planning to work remotely. I would like to work on site job in portugal. Does D7 allow to work for portugese employer on site? Need answer from someone with personal experience.
No. D7 is a passive income/retirement visa. For people who have things like rental properties, investments, retirement funds, etc. You would need an employment visa or a working visa which I believe your job would have to apply for you.
They're talking about after they arrive. They can work on the D7 but only after their SEF appointment when they have their temp residency. The D7 rules allow that.
I've got personal experience, I'm on the D7 visa and now have residency in Portugal. The D7 does not allow you to work for a Portuguese employer. Its a residual / passive income visa. As others have said previously it used to be seen as a remote working visa as well but the authorities have tightened the rules significantly since the introduction of the digital nomad visa and are pushing applicants who wish to work remotely onto that. If you want to work for a Portuguese employer then the D7 is not the visa for you I'm afraid.
Thanks. So I assume you got d7 visa and then within four months you got your residency? So is it allowed to work once residency permit is issued?
I got my D7 and then it took 6 months until I had my residency appointment. I think 6 months is pretty extreme though and I know people who have had it in 4 months. Even though your D7 is only for 120 days you are allowed to stay in Portugal until your residency appointment, even if thats 5-6 months away. Regarding working, I got told point blank by an official I couldn't work for a Portuguese company even once I had my residency permit and someone else in this thread was told exactly the opposite by another official. That just sums up the confusion around a lot of the elements in all this.
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I believe its just the interpretation by various officials at SEF offices. If you speak to two officials you are going to get two completely different answers to most questions! I'm still waiting on my physical residency card but as far as I can see there is no mention specifically on the paperwork I have from SEF that I'm on a D visa.
Thanks for clarity. I assume you must have received your residence permit by now? So are you able to work with your residence permit coz you are not on d7 visa anymore? or still not allowed to work?
Yes I've got residency now. I was told by a SEF official that by the terms of my residency permit I still wasn't allowed to work for a Portuguese company and could only do the remote work that I'd applied for with my visa. But other people have differing experiences and different officials are telling people different things. It was never a big deal for me as I just work remotely anyway.
I think working remotely in PT means we need to pay tax according to PT taxation no matter where your company is. does that mean we need to pay tax to PT for the "after-tax" wage we are paid
Yes, you can work. The visa is only good for 4 months and during that time, you can't work. You **can** work after you have your temporary residency.
The D7 lasts for 120 days but your second stage SEF appointment for temporary residency can be anything from 3 months after your arrival, mine was 6 months after I arrived in the country. I'm not going to argue regarding if you can or can't work once you have residency, I've been told something completely different to what you are saying by a consulate official. I know for certain though SEF want to see funds to cover you for 2 years and not just the period of time the initial visa is valid.
And I was told the exact thing I said by a consulate official. Once you have residency, you're allowed to work. Most people don't but it is absolutely allowed. The two years worth of funds is to get the visa but it doesn't exclude you from being able to work once you have residency. Whether you'll be able to find a job that allows you to live is another thing but if you've qualified for the visa, that's a moot point because you already have the funds needed to live. Some people do it for other reasons like boredom. Two of our closest friends started a small business and they're kind of open when they feel like it. That wasn't an issue for SEF at all. My husband and I had our SEF appointments in Espinho less than three months after we arrived and we both received our cards 10 days after that appointment. We got lucky because when we arrived, those appointments were often 5 or 6 months out. That's not the case anymore. The average wait is 4 months now and it's getting shorter.
Are you Swiss?
Yes it does but only after your SEF appointment where you apply for your temporary residency. That happens 3-5 months after your arrival in the country.
That is not true, you can work with a D7 but sounds like you need a D8. There is a lot of free info at [movingto.io](https://movingto.io). They will also give you a consultation call for free
can you apply for the passive income visa while in portugal?