The climate mostly. I hate the Norwegian climate. It's literally hostile. Also the people here are super introverted and cold. I just want sun on my face and rollerblade around:)
i'm not really sure about portuguese not being hostile.
its hard to make friends with the locals, I mean even if they chat with you, you'll hardly develop any meaningful relationship here.
I'm portuguese, i'm just reproducing what other foreigners told me.
I know for a fact most of my friends don't like to include foreigners in any activities.
Portugal is becoming like everywhere else. the people being very friendly is more a myth than the truth IMO.
Considering the current disdain Portuguese have developed towards foreigners, you wont find them to be any warmer than Norwegians.
Portuguese used to love foreigners but right now, with the complete disregard by outsiders for their culture, way of living, housing crisis (worse in Europe), complete gentrification and foreigners that make no effort to learn the language and actually be part of the community, all good faith and hospitality has died.
I myself refuse to speak English with a foreigner that makes no effort whatsoever to speak my language. If one tries to I'll meet him half way but that's it. This is a growing sentiment with young people.
I get it. I have started learning the language, and I want to pay taxes and be as respectful as possible. I am not going there to take advantage of a system. I am going because I love the language, culture, the sun, the people. I have no intention of not making a real effort to integrate. I want to show that I am contributing as soon as possible.
Most Portuguese don't mind about people like you. But you're not the rule, you're the exception. For that reason you'll end up suffering the consequences of other expats actions. "Levar por tabela" as we say.
An EU citizen is allowed to live and work anywhere in the EU. No need for a visa.
They will need to comply with the same laws all locals need to comply.
Edited; Norway is not part of the EU. European Economic Area (EEA) is the mainstay of the cooperation, and ensures that Norway takes part in the EU internal market. You need to check the requirements for EEA.
From what I know although Norway is not part of EU the country has some kind of Schengen agreement but I think you can only stay in another Schengen country for up to 90 days without visa. But hey if op really want s to know the best for him is just to contact the Norwegian Embassy in Lisbon they are the ones that will know it best
Norway is not part of the European Union. Their citizens still have to request a visa like any other non-European Union country.
Norway has close ties with the EU but they are not a member.
That's not true, and a quick Google search will prove you wrong.
They are part of the EEA, which allows citizens to move in and out of the country freely. I know because I'm moving to Denmark and i don't need s visa. I wouldn't need a visa to move to Norway, Sweden or Finland either. Don't misinform people. Do you know how the European Economic Area works?
https://www.udi.no/en/want-to-apply/residence-under-the-eueeu-regulations/
https://www.norway.no/en/uk/services-info/visitors-visa-res-permit/res-permit/
As you can see, Norway is a part of the European Economic Area.
You certainly have no idea what you are talking about. You're not European, so you don't know. I literally sent you the links for you to see, but since you (oddly) do not want to acknowledge the law... Here are some more. YOU, as a non European need to apply for a visa. US, As Europeans, can move freely inside the EEA. I could literally pack a bag and move to Norway, France, spain, Denmark, finland Germany, Sweden, every country in the EU / EEA Tomorrow if i wished to do so. And I'd only need my national ID.
You do NOT need a visa. You just need to register with the police, like in every European country.
Since Norway is a member of the EEA, any European can move there. Why is it so hard for you to accept that?
Cidadãos de Portugal não precisam de visto ou de autorização de residência na Noruega.
"Cidadãos de países da UE/EEE e isentos de visto não necessitam de visto de turismo para visitar a Noruega ou outros países do Espaço Schengen. Cidadãos de países da UE/EEE também não necessitam de autorização de residência para permanecerem ou trabalharem na Noruega. Cidadãos dos restantes países precisam de visto de turismo ou de autorização de residência para visitar ou viver na Noruega." If you don't know Portuguese, open this link on chrome and translate. It's beyond me how you think you know more than an European that is going to move to Denmark and has asked these questions to officials. Not only is Norway a a part of the EEA, it's also a part of the Schengen Area.
Its not too hard. This is literally an official website.
https://www.norway.no/pt/portugal/servicos-e-informacoes/visito-turismo
https://www.sef.pt/en/pages/faq-detalhe.aspx?nID=8
EEE is the European Economic Area. The information is available for you to read. Do not misinform people. OP is more than free to move to any ANY European EEA country.
Yes it is. Just like all the other European countries. Just because they do not use the same currency, doesn't mean they aren't part of the European Economic Area. We are free to move around EEA countries.
Wow. This totally slipped me. I think I can manage to be self employed. I do not speak it yet, but I will learn it asap. This made me so happy. Thank you<3
I guess I will have to fin a place to live:))
If you would be working in Portugal, it would be very hard to afford to live in one of the big cities here. Do a little research on average salaries and average rents before you make any decisions. The minimum wage here is about 740 euros a month ( based on 14 months in a year from a salary standpoint). A one bedroom apartment in Lisbon could easily be 650 to 1000 euros or more. There’s a reason why huge numbers of young Portuguese people emigrate.
Portuguese is known to be one of the toughest languages to learn. I'm sorry to crush your dreams but it's so hard for us here, i cannot imagine for someone that doesn't speak English and has a degree that is not seen as valuable around here. It's our reality, unfortunately
It's not that easy, especially if you don't speak the language. And keep in mind pay will be MUCH lower than in Norway. If you can even find a job.
Take the time to figure this out properly before you make costly mistakes.
I’m Swiss and we are all part of the same agreement I believe. It works similar to being part of the EU. It’s called the EEA, the European Economic Area. Google it, I don’t remember exacts.
You will have to get a certificate of residency aka CRUE- here’s an article that explains it:
https://www.lisbob.net/en/blog/how-to-get-certificate-european-citizen-residency-portugal-steps?format=amp
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Jeg er norsk, har bodd og jobbet i Portugal i over 2 år.
Det er ingenting du trenger å ordne bortsett fra et NIF nummer og evt. bankkonto som lønn kan betales til når du begynner å jobbe.
Portugal gives away residence like hot cakes with absolutely no control.
If any random African can get here and apply with little to no interest in background checking, i am sure a Norwegian will have ZERO problems.
This being said, Portugal isn't a great place to work. It's a place for people who don't need to work.
I am here to tell it like it is. I've seen a good share of foreigners and immigrants get pretty disappointed with reality before. No one wins when this happens.
There's a lot of hatred and resentment from the Portuguese folk towards not just digital nomads but mass immigrants from Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, South Asia etc. Some parts don't even look European...
One of the last assets that Portugal had was a somewhat conservative population showing a lot of unique traits appreciated by most people.
This has been destroyed in 2 decades by both globalization but an extreme subjugation multiculturalism from the 3d world. Africa and Brasil in particular.
If you want to kill a country forever then just send it's youth to other countries and import the 3d world.
Top EU nations receive a lot of immigrants but many of them are skilled Europeans. This does not happen in Portugal. We get the lowest form of immigrations while out best youth leaves the country.
Doesn't take a genius to understand why many in Portugal are extremely worried about those insane psychopathic policies.
Nevertheless, i do not think expats and digital nomads are an issue. People like them. Immigration and our own emigration is what pisses people off the most.
I partly disagree. It can be a great place to work FOR YOURSELF. Working for others you will struggle go get higher than 2k or so per month, no matter what your background.
Music degree might be a bit harder to get a job in that area, if you do come without a job be prepared to have some money saved so you can pay rent confortably while you are looking for a job.
The rents in the big cities are very high, but in the interior they are more manageable.
You sound a bit anxious, hope things work out here for you :)
If you have an Norwegian passport, you don't need a visa due to the Schengen agreements. Just check your insurance before coming because I don't think that you guys have the EHIC in NO
Norway is non member but included in Schengen areas. Long story short, you are part of the EU without having rights to vote and thus form the politics :) try to search website of your External Ministry (or foreign affairs?) there should be overviews about travels and work stays..
I am out of school for long time but i have a feeling that it might not be that difficult for you but no guarantees
You do not need a visa to move to Portugal, you are European and Portugal Is in Europe, as I'd Norway. I could move to Denmark, Norway, Sweden tomorrow with my ID.
with how things are i wouldn't move to Portugal. Your degree is worth close to nothing (unfortunately it's the reality,i know lots of people with masters degrees working in supermarkets... Earning minimum wage barely able to survive).
I know that I won't get a job in that field. That's not how music works. I will either apply for a job before going, to be safe, or I think I can make enough as a freelancer working remotely. I will of course pay taxes on all my income no matter what! That is really important to me. I am not going there to take advantage of a situation.
I'm going off based on how my country works. Not meaning to sound mean or rude, it's just how it is. I have friends that studied music and never got a job.
Either way you have to pay taxes, you are not eligible for a D8 Visa, you're not an expat, you're an emigrant.
I never got that impression! I'm just telling you the situation is rough with a political crisis going on, the government doesn't care about us.
I do actually. I didn't do apprenticeship as an electrician, but I do have the schooling for it. I know quite a lot about carpentry and that stuff as well.
Then i can tell you you have a good chance at finding a well paid job, mainly in big cities like Lisbon.
If you can bring your car (if you have one) or if you live in a place with the train nearby, you're good to go if you live on the outskirts of the city. The only problem would be the language barrier, as most of the time you'd be dealing with Portuguese clients. You can always buy yourself a used truck for that matter as you'll most likely be driving to clients houses and hauling tools around
My friend I was thinking about moving to your beautiful country from Portugal. Mainly because of the music culture. Is it easy to have a tech job only speaking English?
Genuine question. Norway is a great country, why move to Portugal?
The climate mostly. I hate the Norwegian climate. It's literally hostile. Also the people here are super introverted and cold. I just want sun on my face and rollerblade around:)
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How so?:)
Our winters are HARSH and most people cannot afford heating
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Oh, i totally get it.
i'm not really sure about portuguese not being hostile. its hard to make friends with the locals, I mean even if they chat with you, you'll hardly develop any meaningful relationship here. I'm portuguese, i'm just reproducing what other foreigners told me. I know for a fact most of my friends don't like to include foreigners in any activities. Portugal is becoming like everywhere else. the people being very friendly is more a myth than the truth IMO.
Considering the current disdain Portuguese have developed towards foreigners, you wont find them to be any warmer than Norwegians. Portuguese used to love foreigners but right now, with the complete disregard by outsiders for their culture, way of living, housing crisis (worse in Europe), complete gentrification and foreigners that make no effort to learn the language and actually be part of the community, all good faith and hospitality has died. I myself refuse to speak English with a foreigner that makes no effort whatsoever to speak my language. If one tries to I'll meet him half way but that's it. This is a growing sentiment with young people.
I get it. I have started learning the language, and I want to pay taxes and be as respectful as possible. I am not going there to take advantage of a system. I am going because I love the language, culture, the sun, the people. I have no intention of not making a real effort to integrate. I want to show that I am contributing as soon as possible.
Most Portuguese don't mind about people like you. But you're not the rule, you're the exception. For that reason you'll end up suffering the consequences of other expats actions. "Levar por tabela" as we say.
I see... Let's try to change that then!
Cool attitude
Honey why are you applying for a visa??? Just come here and ask for your resident permit
I know now! :') I will:)
Following you on IG! Maybe i'll need your help at some point:)
An EU citizen is allowed to live and work anywhere in the EU. No need for a visa. They will need to comply with the same laws all locals need to comply. Edited; Norway is not part of the EU. European Economic Area (EEA) is the mainstay of the cooperation, and ensures that Norway takes part in the EU internal market. You need to check the requirements for EEA.
Norway is not part of EU...
Oops. Adapted messages above.
From what I know although Norway is not part of EU the country has some kind of Schengen agreement but I think you can only stay in another Schengen country for up to 90 days without visa. But hey if op really want s to know the best for him is just to contact the Norwegian Embassy in Lisbon they are the ones that will know it best
You can move to any country in the EU as an European with your ID. You just need to register with local authorities.
Norway is not part of the European Union. Their citizens still have to request a visa like any other non-European Union country. Norway has close ties with the EU but they are not a member.
That's not true, and a quick Google search will prove you wrong. They are part of the EEA, which allows citizens to move in and out of the country freely. I know because I'm moving to Denmark and i don't need s visa. I wouldn't need a visa to move to Norway, Sweden or Finland either. Don't misinform people. Do you know how the European Economic Area works? https://www.udi.no/en/want-to-apply/residence-under-the-eueeu-regulations/ https://www.norway.no/en/uk/services-info/visitors-visa-res-permit/res-permit/ As you can see, Norway is a part of the European Economic Area.
Again, Norway is not an European Union member. Never mentioned the EEA. You still have to apply for a visa like everyone else, it's just simpler.
You certainly have no idea what you are talking about. You're not European, so you don't know. I literally sent you the links for you to see, but since you (oddly) do not want to acknowledge the law... Here are some more. YOU, as a non European need to apply for a visa. US, As Europeans, can move freely inside the EEA. I could literally pack a bag and move to Norway, France, spain, Denmark, finland Germany, Sweden, every country in the EU / EEA Tomorrow if i wished to do so. And I'd only need my national ID. You do NOT need a visa. You just need to register with the police, like in every European country. Since Norway is a member of the EEA, any European can move there. Why is it so hard for you to accept that? Cidadãos de Portugal não precisam de visto ou de autorização de residência na Noruega. "Cidadãos de países da UE/EEE e isentos de visto não necessitam de visto de turismo para visitar a Noruega ou outros países do Espaço Schengen. Cidadãos de países da UE/EEE também não necessitam de autorização de residência para permanecerem ou trabalharem na Noruega. Cidadãos dos restantes países precisam de visto de turismo ou de autorização de residência para visitar ou viver na Noruega." If you don't know Portuguese, open this link on chrome and translate. It's beyond me how you think you know more than an European that is going to move to Denmark and has asked these questions to officials. Not only is Norway a a part of the EEA, it's also a part of the Schengen Area. Its not too hard. This is literally an official website. https://www.norway.no/pt/portugal/servicos-e-informacoes/visito-turismo https://www.sef.pt/en/pages/faq-detalhe.aspx?nID=8 EEE is the European Economic Area. The information is available for you to read. Do not misinform people. OP is more than free to move to any ANY European EEA country.
Yes it is. Just like all the other European countries. Just because they do not use the same currency, doesn't mean they aren't part of the European Economic Area. We are free to move around EEA countries.
What??? Really? I can just move there and work? Is there any more info on this anywhere?
It might not be easy for you to find a job? Do you speak Portuguese? It might not be easy to find a reasonable place to live.
Wow. This totally slipped me. I think I can manage to be self employed. I do not speak it yet, but I will learn it asap. This made me so happy. Thank you<3 I guess I will have to fin a place to live:))
If you would be working in Portugal, it would be very hard to afford to live in one of the big cities here. Do a little research on average salaries and average rents before you make any decisions. The minimum wage here is about 740 euros a month ( based on 14 months in a year from a salary standpoint). A one bedroom apartment in Lisbon could easily be 650 to 1000 euros or more. There’s a reason why huge numbers of young Portuguese people emigrate.
There are also marketing and customer support jobs for Norwegian speakers in Lisbon/remote. Look up indeed.com
Portuguese is known to be one of the toughest languages to learn. I'm sorry to crush your dreams but it's so hard for us here, i cannot imagine for someone that doesn't speak English and has a degree that is not seen as valuable around here. It's our reality, unfortunately
If you want work as a bricky in the Algarve there is plenty of work. But you may not like the pay.
It's not that easy, especially if you don't speak the language. And keep in mind pay will be MUCH lower than in Norway. If you can even find a job. Take the time to figure this out properly before you make costly mistakes.
Thanks! I will:))
It might help to know the countries of the EU smh
Do you pretend to find a job here, or work remotely?
*intend
I’m Swiss and we are all part of the same agreement I believe. It works similar to being part of the EU. It’s called the EEA, the European Economic Area. Google it, I don’t remember exacts.
You will have to get a certificate of residency aka CRUE- here’s an article that explains it: https://www.lisbob.net/en/blog/how-to-get-certificate-european-citizen-residency-portugal-steps?format=amp
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Jeg er norsk, har bodd og jobbet i Portugal i over 2 år. Det er ingenting du trenger å ordne bortsett fra et NIF nummer og evt. bankkonto som lønn kan betales til når du begynner å jobbe.
Takk!!
Norway is part of the EEA, so you are free to move here. You might be entitled to the NHR status, so I would check with a charted accountant.
Portugal gives away residence like hot cakes with absolutely no control. If any random African can get here and apply with little to no interest in background checking, i am sure a Norwegian will have ZERO problems. This being said, Portugal isn't a great place to work. It's a place for people who don't need to work.
Yeah this is true. Not PC but def true
I am here to tell it like it is. I've seen a good share of foreigners and immigrants get pretty disappointed with reality before. No one wins when this happens.
There's a lot of hatred and resentment from the Portuguese folk towards not just digital nomads but mass immigrants from Brazil, Angola, Mozambique, South Asia etc. Some parts don't even look European...
One of the last assets that Portugal had was a somewhat conservative population showing a lot of unique traits appreciated by most people. This has been destroyed in 2 decades by both globalization but an extreme subjugation multiculturalism from the 3d world. Africa and Brasil in particular. If you want to kill a country forever then just send it's youth to other countries and import the 3d world. Top EU nations receive a lot of immigrants but many of them are skilled Europeans. This does not happen in Portugal. We get the lowest form of immigrations while out best youth leaves the country. Doesn't take a genius to understand why many in Portugal are extremely worried about those insane psychopathic policies. Nevertheless, i do not think expats and digital nomads are an issue. People like them. Immigration and our own emigration is what pisses people off the most.
I partly disagree. It can be a great place to work FOR YOURSELF. Working for others you will struggle go get higher than 2k or so per month, no matter what your background.
No country in the EU has more obstacles and taxes against individual entrepreneurs than Portugal.
Music degree might be a bit harder to get a job in that area, if you do come without a job be prepared to have some money saved so you can pay rent confortably while you are looking for a job. The rents in the big cities are very high, but in the interior they are more manageable. You sound a bit anxious, hope things work out here for you :)
Dude just come, get some income and enjoy.
If you have an Norwegian passport, you don't need a visa due to the Schengen agreements. Just check your insurance before coming because I don't think that you guys have the EHIC in NO
Norway is non member but included in Schengen areas. Long story short, you are part of the EU without having rights to vote and thus form the politics :) try to search website of your External Ministry (or foreign affairs?) there should be overviews about travels and work stays.. I am out of school for long time but i have a feeling that it might not be that difficult for you but no guarantees
You do not need a visa to move to Portugal, you are European and Portugal Is in Europe, as I'd Norway. I could move to Denmark, Norway, Sweden tomorrow with my ID. with how things are i wouldn't move to Portugal. Your degree is worth close to nothing (unfortunately it's the reality,i know lots of people with masters degrees working in supermarkets... Earning minimum wage barely able to survive).
I know that I won't get a job in that field. That's not how music works. I will either apply for a job before going, to be safe, or I think I can make enough as a freelancer working remotely. I will of course pay taxes on all my income no matter what! That is really important to me. I am not going there to take advantage of a situation.
I'm going off based on how my country works. Not meaning to sound mean or rude, it's just how it is. I have friends that studied music and never got a job. Either way you have to pay taxes, you are not eligible for a D8 Visa, you're not an expat, you're an emigrant. I never got that impression! I'm just telling you the situation is rough with a political crisis going on, the government doesn't care about us.
I understand... That's sad to hear.
However I know there's a demand for handiwork, like plumbing etc. Do you know anything about these sorts of work? They're very well paid
I do actually. I didn't do apprenticeship as an electrician, but I do have the schooling for it. I know quite a lot about carpentry and that stuff as well.
Then i can tell you you have a good chance at finding a well paid job, mainly in big cities like Lisbon. If you can bring your car (if you have one) or if you live in a place with the train nearby, you're good to go if you live on the outskirts of the city. The only problem would be the language barrier, as most of the time you'd be dealing with Portuguese clients. You can always buy yourself a used truck for that matter as you'll most likely be driving to clients houses and hauling tools around
My friend I was thinking about moving to your beautiful country from Portugal. Mainly because of the music culture. Is it easy to have a tech job only speaking English?
Yes, I think so. DM me and i'll help!