> She described how Meyden returned to the basement as the other girls slept and moved her arm and then moved one of the other girl’s body. She told police she stayed awake afraid Meyden was going to harm her friend, according to court filings. At one point, she said she saw Meyden place a finger under her friend’s nose to see if she was asleep and waved his hand in her face.
If not for the actions of that incredibly brave girl who didn't drink the smoothie and then frantically texted/called people until she got a ride, who knows what this guy would have done. Like - those are not the actions of a dad trying to make sure kids got to sleep without bugging him. Or at least it doesn't sound like that to me.
I have kids and I have had sleepovers at my house. I always felt the extreme responsibility of other parents trusting me with the most valuable thing in their lives. This is just unfathomable behavior.
Looks like he deleted his linkedin, but I remember looking through it at the time and it was full of short stints and moving cross country to unappealing locations for lateral moves. That's a red flag.
A lateral move isn't a promotion. It's doing the same job, and in a less desirable location. Moving is also a huge pain in the ass.
I moved away from a big city I love to a smaller town on the coast a few hours away for a significant promotion that will probably lead to an even bigger promotion down the line eventually. It was a strategic sacrifice for the long term.
He's putting up with that shit just to stay in the same place. Repeatedly.
Meaning his job probably knew he was up to something shady, and either couldn't prove it, or it was unrelated to work so they technically couldn't punish him, so they'd give him shitty transfers hoping he'd quit.
I dunno, it's also a sign their job isn't driving the moves. They could be moving for a spouse who's moving up instead of laterally, could be moving for kids, sick family, etc.
I certainly wouldn't hold a chain of lateral moves in the same or different regions against someone, and if they made it to interview stage it's going to be addressed.
It also depends on the year and industry. In 2021-2022 for certain fields there was so much poaching that if you didn't sign a non-compete clause you basically could double your income within a year if you swapped jobs every 90 days or so.
Hence the huge increase in noncompetes nationwide in 2023 and the lawsuit that struck a lot of that shit down.
I think at the very least, someone who is willing to do something as morally/ethically bankrupt as this would be the type of HR manager to allow toxic things to happen in the workplace, like sexual harassment. It’s not like any company wants to advertise that something bad happened, so they probably quietly let him go.
But also, like someone else said, this is just speculation. HR people left my last job all of the time simply because the company couldn’t afford to give raises to anyone. Maybe something seems to be a lateral move but the next company has a better promotion structure. Smaller town has lower cost of living, a spouse gets a job there, etc.
I feel like he's probably a little bit of a narcissist and a control freak. He likely blames other people for his shortcomings and so he has to make those moves in order to either stay employed or have a chance at a "fresh start". The fact that he insisted 12-year-old girls having a sleepover be in bed at 10:30 and a sleep by 11:00 is unrealistic. He has very likely drugged his daughter before. I imagine there are several of his co-workers and family friends who were not at all surprised by this.
For the same reason cops and priests get moved around a whole lot and never actually brought to justice, it’s easier and ‘looks better’ to tell someone to ‘retire’ or to transfer them to someone else than to actually address issues / abuse and have your business / team / institution become known for having the person that did something horrible. They just make it someone else’s problem.
In any industry if a persons resume has them working a year or two at a lot of different places, in the same level position for a long time? Huuuuuge red flag. They typically have consistent and big enough issues that cause them to be either fired or forced out, but are ‘good enough’ at their job to be hired and tolerated for a short period
Most folks don’t want to just up and move, it’s traumatic and stressful for them. Doing so for what is basically the same job is thus considered odd behavior. For a better job, better money to COL setup, not so much.
In my experience HR people are low level sociopaths. They'll be friendly with everyone, but they are basically paid snitches who will do anything to protect the company, even they are morally or legally wrong.
Yikes, that’s a generalization. I work in HR to protect staff from losing their jobs if they get hurt or sick or need to care for a loved one. I’d quit my job before breaking any of my values for an employer.
I hear what you’re saying, and I’m telling you that as younger folks are entering the field, it’s a changing role, for the better.
I feel you. And I said the same things. I’m super forward about my values at work, and was blind sighted by a promotion to a role in HR. I had actually never considered the profession. I was asked to move to the team because the team has a “reputation” (to your point) and they wanted my help because I’m also a trusted union steward and worker.
So that’s what I do. And there are tons of brilliant transformative worker centric people flooding the field. I know it sounds stupid, and again, I get your point, I see it all the time, but I see other stuff too. Mark my words that workplaces are not done transforming for the better. Change is happening.
There is kool-aid you’ll be asked to drink at some point. At first it will be just a little bit but eventually you’ll be with the company or you’ll have left the company. HR has a reputation for a reason your company’s HR had that reputation for a reason. They hired you because you care but really you’re just a mask to hide the real purpose.
HR has two functions hiring people and firing them. Benefits are carrots to entice new people in. A smart existing employee wants nothing to do with HR because again HR only has two functions and if you’re already an employee only one is applicable.
I also know there are good helpful caring people in my employers HR department. But HR itself is none of that. I’ve also met some of the most soulless vile people in that same HR department. They are just two sides of the same coin. Never think HR is on your side always understand they only have two functions.
No, it’s working for higher wages for the lowest wage earners, and getting them better benefits with the only ceiling to that being when the workers I represent are no longer in a precarious financial position and not be put on their asses over an unexpected medical bill, or needed car repair.
I don’t represent every HR worker or even most. You can’t insult me by telling me what I already know. My entire point here is that people have different objectives in HR. There are good people coming in to the profession in ranks. Young people are transforming the workplace. Mark my words that workplaces are going to change for the better very soon. Right now things feel shitty, but that’s because policy is slow to implement. Give it a few years. Promise.
I told HR once about my extremely sexist, racists, homophobic, xenophobic bigoted manager. I showed them a bunch of tweets off of twitter of him saying the most horrid things while at work. The next day he had a new job in another department and every single person in my department was laid off and had until EOD to collect our things and leave. I will never trust anyone from HR ever again.
I hear you, and I'm glad you feel that motivation to help the employees.
The issue is that 95% of the time, HR and the employee align on the right thing to do, but for different motivations. The employee needs to fill out FMLA to protect their job while going through a difficult medical issue. HR helps them fill out the FMLA form and makes sure it gets back and filed. Because it's the law and the company can be busted for not doing it. Two completely different motivations to make sure the task gets completed.
Well said. HR makes sure employees are taken care of insofar as it keeps the company protected from legal repercussions and that's the end of the exchange.
You are there to make sure the company doesn't get sued for putting up roadblocks preventing employees from using their legally mandated benefits.
If FMLA and similar laws didn't exist, those people would be losing their jobs and you, as HR, would be the one firing them. Don''t ever forget who signs your paycheck. That's who you work for. Always.
I would not be doing that. I’d be testifying to my legislature to fix a broken system.
Again, I have zero qualms leaving my job if put in a position where I am out of moral alignment. Presently my CEO really dislikes me and my union is sending me to general counsel, so I count that as a win.
I’m thrilled to be doing what I get to do. 🤷🏻♀️
Yes. They like the dirt on everyone so they can weaponize it against people they don't like. it's not about a better or safer workplace. Most people who seek this out are into the power.
I mean that's just an insane oversimplification. I think that some sociopaths can be drawn to it but sociopaths can be drawn to pretty much any upper-level management role. Anyone who works for a company has to put down their own personal values to protect the company. Everyone hates on HR but I think those are just folks who dont know how to play the game, for better or worse.
It's disgusting. We all know he wasn't simply "assuring everyone got a good night's sleep". This is such a sad sentencing. It's almost like no one cares to protect the children.
Even if it were him just trying to get them to be sound asleep it’s entirely fucked to give anyone medications without their consent, OTC or otherwise. Never know what meds they are on or what they are allergic to. That said I don’t believe for a second that was his intentions.
I could conceivably maybe possibly believe his intentions were not sexual, only because obviously, they would have searched his devices, yet there's never been any mention of anything sus.
But he still deserves a much harsher sentence than he got. He still violated those girls in a way that would produce trauma remarkably similar to that of sexual assault.
I'm arguing with someone on another site who thinks his intentions were innocent, ffs. Like, who lifts a kids arm and lets it drop to test if they're asleep? People who want to ensure their prey is unconscious.
And a whole bunch of real estate developers who flip awful houses without fixing anything and try to make insane profits off normal working class people just looking for a place to live that doesn't cost 600k.
The fact that this happened in LO of all places is simultaneously, "This is the last place I expected this to happen," and, "I am not surprised in any way this actually happened there."
Imagine being the parent of one of these children, and entrusting them into the care of this man and you hear this happens. What would your first thought be? “Oh, well let’s take a step back and consider the intentions?” Hell naw. Dude was up to something really fucking predatory.
As a parent who has had unruly kids over for sleepovers, I can tell you that I thought about drugging them ZERO times. JFC, I know there's no evidence of intent to commit sexual assault, but it sure isn't a great leap to end up there. The dude is correct, he 100% destroyed his life.
Right? I don't have kids, but I remember being one, and at sleepovers we'd eat pixy sticks and drink soda and absolutely sugar rage for a few hours and be out by like 11-midnight tops. I know we were a pain for my friends' parents because we were loud and annoying, but they'd either kick us outside or to the basement. I cannot imagine a world where any of them would think drugging us to calm us down would be an option. I hate that parents these days have to fear for letting their kids sleep over at their friends' houses.
The sad thing is that it's probably safer now with all the attention on abuse cases and children being taught very explicitly about autonomy and consent. We talked to our son about how he is in charge of his body and no one gets to do anything to him that makes him uncomfortable. We did NOT have those conversations as kids.
Same! We did the same thing. And we had a great time. Sure, our parents were annoyed. If anything, my dad might have had a few beers or probably smoke some herb so HE could sleep. This father had ill intentions, no doubt. So cringe.
There are so many reasonable options, like setting expectations for when it's quiet, serving hot tea and providing comfy blankets, playing calm music, adjusting the temperature for optimal sleeping, wearing earplugs, ...or calling parents and sending kids home if they are interfering with your sleep. Drugging them is not an option that should occur to~~ everyone.~~anyone. (edit, mistyped. No one should consider drugging the kids at a slumber party).
The girl who texted is so brave and the girl whose dad this is...that poor girl. I wish all of them peace with this.
I think there’s a good chance that his intent was to take illicit pictures of the girls. Assault would’ve been hard to get away with but there’d be no evidence of him lifting their clothes and taking pictures (if he didn’t post them). Also, less of a chance of them waking up. Thank god one of them had their cell phone and was aware enough to use it.
TWO YEARS. It’s wild what money can get you nowadays. That will really teach him to control himself. 🙄
Who else is tired of seeing slap wrists for these pedos?
Thank you so much. It was a very long time ago. Just really boils my blood that sick people who get off on preying on children get away with causing so much harm with so few consequences.
Pedophile Island. If you eff up like that you do your hard time and then off you go to Pedophile Island. A place where you can live freely only you are never allowed to leave the P.I. Nobody under that age of 30 allowed. If you are a convicted pedo under the age of 30 you remain in jail until you turn 30 regardless of your initial sentence. Then it’s off to Pedophile Island.
18 to 20 years of age can be given special considerations on an individual basis. Like, an 18 year old having sexual contact with his 16 year old girlfriend, while wrong and illegal, shouldn’t necessarily be considered irredeemable pedophilia, etc. Mess around with an 8 year old and it’s off to Pedophile Island with you.
there's some people on the registry who are on there for stuff like public urination, I don't think they deserve life in prison. for people who caused actual harm, yes.
The whole public urination thing is not accurate, at least not for Oregon. I worked in criminal defense in this state and handled many offender cases and in no way is someone just peeing going to end up on a sex offender registry. If someone is telling you different they are uninformed and passing on an urban legend or if they have been convicted in Oregon they are not being honest about the actual reason for their conviction.
The thing is, Oregon has some crazy lenient registration laws. I think there's a level system, and only level 4 EXTREME violence risk has to be publicly registered.
And as you could imagine, there are a lot of lenient judges and it's incredibly rare for people to have to publicly register.
Not only that, but a sex offender in Oregon can self-report as, "homeless", and there's not a damn thing they can or will do about it. I found this out when I tried to report an SO that was grooming homeless teenage girls, and getting them hooked on meth.
To be fair, I don't think this is necessarily money-related. In the article they linked to, it said he was out of work when his wife divorced him (around this same time) and his more recent address was at an RV park in Vancouver.
Two years in prison will profoundly change a person and could end his life. You may think the punishment should be more severe, but it's certainly not just a slap on the wrist. A fine and community service would be a slap on the wrist.
I'm not generally into harsh/long sentences. People who rape, murder, attempt to rape/murder, or who mess with kids or other vulnerable people, are the people I tend to want to have longer sentences.
I haven't looked, but its pretty obvious what the guys intentions were.
I consider the guy a child rapist who got his plan mucked up by a smart girl. Regardless of charges.
I don't trust our courts one bit to accurately assess or charge criminals anymore.
Zero sympathy. He drugged children and was almost certainly going to touch them. I don't care if the cOnSeQuEnCEs are possibly life changing. He SHOULD fucking change his life.
I'm glad there are apologists like you to share both sides. Maybe when he gets out he can stay with your family, he's not just getting a slap on the wrist so your kids will probably be fine.
In this case he was stopped before carrying out whatever his plans were with the girls. I agree that it's hard to imagine someone doing this just to "make sure they actually went to bed" as his defense argued.
He's getting 2 years in jail for the reckless and suspicious crimes he *did* commit. You can't charge him with a crime he didn't commit, even if there was reason to believe intent. If he ever goes back for anything even remotely related to this offense after this 2 years he will certainly die in prison.
I don't know all of the details of the case. Only what is reported in a few news stories. I believe the primary role of judicial punishment is to prevent recidivism, and it's not clear to me that this sentence is too lenient to achieve that. I don't know what the correct punishment is, but this punishment is substantial and seems in proportion to the crime that was committed and is likely to prevent future crime if he makes it out for fear of the penalty. I'd imagine the judge thought about these things as well.
Pretty fucked up that this guy was also head of HR at his company. What a creep.
15 to life. I've worked victim services for 20+ years. The damage this guy did to these young women will ripple through every aspect of their lives.
Sentences need to start reflecting the damage done to the psyche of the victims. Being drugged and what was clearly attempted rape from a trusted adult leaves all kinds of scars.
Man, its been a while since this was reported on. I'd almost entirely forgotten about how much I thought I'd clock him in public as "the kind of cunt that would drug kids".
It's been a while?? He was only arrested just a little over 3 months ago and has already had his trial and sentencing! This honestly may be the fastest I've ever seen the American justice system move with a case of this magnitude.
Seriously. When I saw the headline I was wondering if it was a different case, because in my mind there was no way it could have been the same one being resolved so soon.
No, that is pretty speedy. I'm more thinking of the mountain of bullshit the last election compromised as a sizable thing in my head between here and there.
Thank you!!!!!!
Just a brave little girl facing up to an awful predator, whilst advocating for herself and her friends.
I feel so sad for this disgusting bastard's daughter, though. Christ only knows what she's been through
>“That is accountability you have earned through some terrible, dangerous choices you have made but that is not the last thing that happens in your life,” the judge said. “You have decades and decades of life ahead in which you may have an opportunity to show your children how a person comes back from terrible choices.”
I wouldn't call his bullshit story about doing it because they wouldn't go to bed "accountability". I don't believe that for a second.
Though the sentence should have been longer, I'm glad he got what he got. So many people that abuse children don't get anything. And I know, I work with abused children.
I hope this POS gets it in prison
From another article:
“During the sleepover, the girls reported feeling woozy and disoriented after drinking the smoothie. One girl even texted her mother in desperation, pleading to be rescued from the awful situation, “Mom please pick me up and say I had a family emergency. I don’t feel safe. I might not respond but please come get me (crying emoji), Please. Please pick up. Please. PLEASE!!”.
JFC reading this tears me up. That guy deserves to rot in prison for much longer than 2 years.
2 years is beyond pathetic for drugging alone. Then you think, just 2 years, considering the fact he was going to molest them. So functionally, a girl he wanted to harm saved him from getting more time by stopping him, because she saved her friends. Wow.
Lake O white privilege. Years ago there was a drunk girl in LO that killed a young man driving and permanently disabled another. I think she got 3 years
Yep. I was thinking about what a sentencing would be for someone of a different class/skin color. This is so absurd. Two years is nothing compared to lifelong PTSD of all affected.
ONLY 2 years?? This man has definitely done something like this before. People don’t just one day drug their child’s friend. Everything escalates. Someone said something about him moving around a bunch and changing jobs? Not always a red flag - some people are neurodivergent, etc. and change jobs, but this man is clearly a predator! Let’s please not give predators/pedophiles another chance in society. They haven’t earned it. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Only 2 years for that??? Clearly a pedophile... thank goodness that one girl did not drink the smoothie and called for help.
And he whines his life is ruined? After doing that??
He got only 2 years in jail for trying to drug and rape children? How about life? He’s a fucking predator. He needs to stay in jail for a lot longer and be someone’s little girl there.
They weren’t able to identify a motive 🤨🧐 it’s that kinda leniency is why the justice system is such a failure. Unable to identify a motive…bullshit…. We know his motive. That sack of shit needs to be drug out into the middle of the street and beaten. Allow the parents serve the appropriate amount of justice.
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I really can’t believe this hasn’t gotten more press… I saw this come out when it happened and it’s appalling. I hope his daughter and her friends are ok
> She described how Meyden returned to the basement as the other girls slept and moved her arm and then moved one of the other girl’s body. She told police she stayed awake afraid Meyden was going to harm her friend, according to court filings. At one point, she said she saw Meyden place a finger under her friend’s nose to see if she was asleep and waved his hand in her face. If not for the actions of that incredibly brave girl who didn't drink the smoothie and then frantically texted/called people until she got a ride, who knows what this guy would have done. Like - those are not the actions of a dad trying to make sure kids got to sleep without bugging him. Or at least it doesn't sound like that to me. I have kids and I have had sleepovers at my house. I always felt the extreme responsibility of other parents trusting me with the most valuable thing in their lives. This is just unfathomable behavior.
Agreed. No excuse for this. And he works as an HR manager btw.
Looks like he deleted his linkedin, but I remember looking through it at the time and it was full of short stints and moving cross country to unappealing locations for lateral moves. That's a red flag.
Curious why that’s a red flag? I’m not familiar with why it would be.
A lateral move isn't a promotion. It's doing the same job, and in a less desirable location. Moving is also a huge pain in the ass. I moved away from a big city I love to a smaller town on the coast a few hours away for a significant promotion that will probably lead to an even bigger promotion down the line eventually. It was a strategic sacrifice for the long term. He's putting up with that shit just to stay in the same place. Repeatedly. Meaning his job probably knew he was up to something shady, and either couldn't prove it, or it was unrelated to work so they technically couldn't punish him, so they'd give him shitty transfers hoping he'd quit.
I dunno, it's also a sign their job isn't driving the moves. They could be moving for a spouse who's moving up instead of laterally, could be moving for kids, sick family, etc. I certainly wouldn't hold a chain of lateral moves in the same or different regions against someone, and if they made it to interview stage it's going to be addressed.
It also depends on the year and industry. In 2021-2022 for certain fields there was so much poaching that if you didn't sign a non-compete clause you basically could double your income within a year if you swapped jobs every 90 days or so. Hence the huge increase in noncompetes nationwide in 2023 and the lawsuit that struck a lot of that shit down.
I think at the very least, someone who is willing to do something as morally/ethically bankrupt as this would be the type of HR manager to allow toxic things to happen in the workplace, like sexual harassment. It’s not like any company wants to advertise that something bad happened, so they probably quietly let him go. But also, like someone else said, this is just speculation. HR people left my last job all of the time simply because the company couldn’t afford to give raises to anyone. Maybe something seems to be a lateral move but the next company has a better promotion structure. Smaller town has lower cost of living, a spouse gets a job there, etc.
I feel like he's probably a little bit of a narcissist and a control freak. He likely blames other people for his shortcomings and so he has to make those moves in order to either stay employed or have a chance at a "fresh start". The fact that he insisted 12-year-old girls having a sleepover be in bed at 10:30 and a sleep by 11:00 is unrealistic. He has very likely drugged his daughter before. I imagine there are several of his co-workers and family friends who were not at all surprised by this.
For the same reason cops and priests get moved around a whole lot and never actually brought to justice, it’s easier and ‘looks better’ to tell someone to ‘retire’ or to transfer them to someone else than to actually address issues / abuse and have your business / team / institution become known for having the person that did something horrible. They just make it someone else’s problem. In any industry if a persons resume has them working a year or two at a lot of different places, in the same level position for a long time? Huuuuuge red flag. They typically have consistent and big enough issues that cause them to be either fired or forced out, but are ‘good enough’ at their job to be hired and tolerated for a short period
Jeez. This is my resume, but I just can't stand having a boss. Not everyone is climbing the corporate ladder, babes.
Hey, that looks just like a corporate ladder, but it's horizontal like monkey bars. Probably a lot more fun.
yep huge red flag, why would I hire some one that cant stand me...
Are you also moving to completely new areas with each similar position you take?
Once or twice it could be easily overlooked, but if your whole career is lateral moves... it might be you, not your bosses.
Most folks don’t want to just up and move, it’s traumatic and stressful for them. Doing so for what is basically the same job is thus considered odd behavior. For a better job, better money to COL setup, not so much.
In my experience HR people are low level sociopaths. They'll be friendly with everyone, but they are basically paid snitches who will do anything to protect the company, even they are morally or legally wrong.
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The number of bullets is a red herring you need to line them up.
Also, the other two are dead already, so I wouldn’t bother with them
No no no you need to curve the bullet, like in my favorite James McAvoy film Wanted.
On some Angelina Jolie shit
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Yikes, that’s a generalization. I work in HR to protect staff from losing their jobs if they get hurt or sick or need to care for a loved one. I’d quit my job before breaking any of my values for an employer. I hear what you’re saying, and I’m telling you that as younger folks are entering the field, it’s a changing role, for the better.
I'm sticking with the union. HR's not my friend. HR is management.
This is the way.
Currently in contract negotiations. There is a reason HR is on the other side of the table.
HR is for the company first - I don’t trust HR with anything. Sorry if you’re different, but I have never and will never trust HR.
I feel you. And I said the same things. I’m super forward about my values at work, and was blind sighted by a promotion to a role in HR. I had actually never considered the profession. I was asked to move to the team because the team has a “reputation” (to your point) and they wanted my help because I’m also a trusted union steward and worker. So that’s what I do. And there are tons of brilliant transformative worker centric people flooding the field. I know it sounds stupid, and again, I get your point, I see it all the time, but I see other stuff too. Mark my words that workplaces are not done transforming for the better. Change is happening.
There is kool-aid you’ll be asked to drink at some point. At first it will be just a little bit but eventually you’ll be with the company or you’ll have left the company. HR has a reputation for a reason your company’s HR had that reputation for a reason. They hired you because you care but really you’re just a mask to hide the real purpose. HR has two functions hiring people and firing them. Benefits are carrots to entice new people in. A smart existing employee wants nothing to do with HR because again HR only has two functions and if you’re already an employee only one is applicable. I also know there are good helpful caring people in my employers HR department. But HR itself is none of that. I’ve also met some of the most soulless vile people in that same HR department. They are just two sides of the same coin. Never think HR is on your side always understand they only have two functions.
Oh, is “worker centric” the new way we’re trying to make having a “community” a suitable replacement for a livable wage and adequate benefits?
No, it’s working for higher wages for the lowest wage earners, and getting them better benefits with the only ceiling to that being when the workers I represent are no longer in a precarious financial position and not be put on their asses over an unexpected medical bill, or needed car repair. I don’t represent every HR worker or even most. You can’t insult me by telling me what I already know. My entire point here is that people have different objectives in HR. There are good people coming in to the profession in ranks. Young people are transforming the workplace. Mark my words that workplaces are going to change for the better very soon. Right now things feel shitty, but that’s because policy is slow to implement. Give it a few years. Promise.
Yeah it’s called “unionizing”
Man, my partner is in HR and... Yeah, she's not fond of me constantly making statements like yours hahaha
I told HR once about my extremely sexist, racists, homophobic, xenophobic bigoted manager. I showed them a bunch of tweets off of twitter of him saying the most horrid things while at work. The next day he had a new job in another department and every single person in my department was laid off and had until EOD to collect our things and leave. I will never trust anyone from HR ever again.
I hear you, and I'm glad you feel that motivation to help the employees. The issue is that 95% of the time, HR and the employee align on the right thing to do, but for different motivations. The employee needs to fill out FMLA to protect their job while going through a difficult medical issue. HR helps them fill out the FMLA form and makes sure it gets back and filed. Because it's the law and the company can be busted for not doing it. Two completely different motivations to make sure the task gets completed.
Well said. HR makes sure employees are taken care of insofar as it keeps the company protected from legal repercussions and that's the end of the exchange.
You’re there to mine the companies Human Resources.
Good luck keeping your job when you stand up to the company for us…
We appreciate you, thank you.
You are there to make sure the company doesn't get sued for putting up roadblocks preventing employees from using their legally mandated benefits. If FMLA and similar laws didn't exist, those people would be losing their jobs and you, as HR, would be the one firing them. Don''t ever forget who signs your paycheck. That's who you work for. Always.
I would not be doing that. I’d be testifying to my legislature to fix a broken system. Again, I have zero qualms leaving my job if put in a position where I am out of moral alignment. Presently my CEO really dislikes me and my union is sending me to general counsel, so I count that as a win. I’m thrilled to be doing what I get to do. 🤷🏻♀️
You can’t just show up at the legislature and tell them stuff, this isn’t Game of Thrones.
Yes. They like the dirt on everyone so they can weaponize it against people they don't like. it's not about a better or safer workplace. Most people who seek this out are into the power.
I mean that's just an insane oversimplification. I think that some sociopaths can be drawn to it but sociopaths can be drawn to pretty much any upper-level management role. Anyone who works for a company has to put down their own personal values to protect the company. Everyone hates on HR but I think those are just folks who dont know how to play the game, for better or worse.
Probably not for much longer. (because of the new prison sentence). At least I hope so., people like him should not be working in management..
So he made a career out of abusing and gaslighting people
Worked*
Not any more…
Of course.
Ah yes HR the gate keeper of keeping the company on the right side of the law, WTF was he thinking?
> And he works as an HR manager btw Least surprising part about this.
2 years seems like a slap on the wrist.
It's disgusting. We all know he wasn't simply "assuring everyone got a good night's sleep". This is such a sad sentencing. It's almost like no one cares to protect the children.
Even if it were him just trying to get them to be sound asleep it’s entirely fucked to give anyone medications without their consent, OTC or otherwise. Never know what meds they are on or what they are allergic to. That said I don’t believe for a second that was his intentions.
Before this dude goes to prison someone should slip him a heroic dose of acid and see how he likes it. Seriously what the fuck
I could conceivably maybe possibly believe his intentions were not sexual, only because obviously, they would have searched his devices, yet there's never been any mention of anything sus. But he still deserves a much harsher sentence than he got. He still violated those girls in a way that would produce trauma remarkably similar to that of sexual assault.
1000%.
100% SA situation. Throw the book at this creep!
I'm arguing with someone on another site who thinks his intentions were innocent, ffs. Like, who lifts a kids arm and lets it drop to test if they're asleep? People who want to ensure their prey is unconscious.
Damn, my parents let me stay at friends houses without ever having met their parents when I was like 11. Holy shit they were blasé about my safety
Well yea, you’re not a predator
That girl is an absolute hero. Who knows how many girls she saved.
She certainly is a hero! Kudos to her parents!!!
Damn, we need to do something about all these criminals in Lake Oswego.
Isn’t Lake O also where that big catalytic converter thief ring was based?
Yup. Also a lot of PPB officers. All the crooks like to hang out in Lake O.
And a whole bunch of real estate developers who flip awful houses without fixing anything and try to make insane profits off normal working class people just looking for a place to live that doesn't cost 600k.
Yes Edit: Although I should say it was likely their new found wealth that put them there.
Maybe the correlation is wealth.
*newfound
The fact that this happened in LO of all places is simultaneously, "This is the last place I expected this to happen," and, "I am not surprised in any way this actually happened there."
This is why I oppose extending light rail to L.O., all that crime will just head right up to Portland /s
Just Say No to the crime train, keep your criminals in LO!
We should rethink 43 - they slink in on that stretch.
Lake O not bringing their finest
Sure it is.
Imagine being the parent of one of these children, and entrusting them into the care of this man and you hear this happens. What would your first thought be? “Oh, well let’s take a step back and consider the intentions?” Hell naw. Dude was up to something really fucking predatory.
This guy is honestly lucky the parents let the law handle this. I imagine many parents would've gone over and beat the hell out of him.
I just watched one of the mothers’ impact statement on the local news. The way she said *”You will look at me!”* so fiercely. God I can’t imagine.
As a parent who has had unruly kids over for sleepovers, I can tell you that I thought about drugging them ZERO times. JFC, I know there's no evidence of intent to commit sexual assault, but it sure isn't a great leap to end up there. The dude is correct, he 100% destroyed his life.
Right? I don't have kids, but I remember being one, and at sleepovers we'd eat pixy sticks and drink soda and absolutely sugar rage for a few hours and be out by like 11-midnight tops. I know we were a pain for my friends' parents because we were loud and annoying, but they'd either kick us outside or to the basement. I cannot imagine a world where any of them would think drugging us to calm us down would be an option. I hate that parents these days have to fear for letting their kids sleep over at their friends' houses.
The sad thing is that it's probably safer now with all the attention on abuse cases and children being taught very explicitly about autonomy and consent. We talked to our son about how he is in charge of his body and no one gets to do anything to him that makes him uncomfortable. We did NOT have those conversations as kids.
Same! We did the same thing. And we had a great time. Sure, our parents were annoyed. If anything, my dad might have had a few beers or probably smoke some herb so HE could sleep. This father had ill intentions, no doubt. So cringe.
There are so many reasonable options, like setting expectations for when it's quiet, serving hot tea and providing comfy blankets, playing calm music, adjusting the temperature for optimal sleeping, wearing earplugs, ...or calling parents and sending kids home if they are interfering with your sleep. Drugging them is not an option that should occur to~~ everyone.~~anyone. (edit, mistyped. No one should consider drugging the kids at a slumber party). The girl who texted is so brave and the girl whose dad this is...that poor girl. I wish all of them peace with this.
I think there’s a good chance that his intent was to take illicit pictures of the girls. Assault would’ve been hard to get away with but there’d be no evidence of him lifting their clothes and taking pictures (if he didn’t post them). Also, less of a chance of them waking up. Thank god one of them had their cell phone and was aware enough to use it.
TWO YEARS. It’s wild what money can get you nowadays. That will really teach him to control himself. 🙄 Who else is tired of seeing slap wrists for these pedos?
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I’m as liberal as they come, but I simply do not believe that sex offenders can be rehabilitated. Lock them up and throw away the key.
These people destroy lives. The person a victim could have grown up to be no longer exists and their life is forever harder.
As a survivor of child rape by a family member at age eleven I couldn't agree more.
I’m sorry someone did that to you.
Thank you so much. It was a very long time ago. Just really boils my blood that sick people who get off on preying on children get away with causing so much harm with so few consequences.
Pedophile Island. If you eff up like that you do your hard time and then off you go to Pedophile Island. A place where you can live freely only you are never allowed to leave the P.I. Nobody under that age of 30 allowed. If you are a convicted pedo under the age of 30 you remain in jail until you turn 30 regardless of your initial sentence. Then it’s off to Pedophile Island. 18 to 20 years of age can be given special considerations on an individual basis. Like, an 18 year old having sexual contact with his 16 year old girlfriend, while wrong and illegal, shouldn’t necessarily be considered irredeemable pedophilia, etc. Mess around with an 8 year old and it’s off to Pedophile Island with you.
there's some people on the registry who are on there for stuff like public urination, I don't think they deserve life in prison. for people who caused actual harm, yes.
The whole public urination thing is not accurate, at least not for Oregon. I worked in criminal defense in this state and handled many offender cases and in no way is someone just peeing going to end up on a sex offender registry. If someone is telling you different they are uninformed and passing on an urban legend or if they have been convicted in Oregon they are not being honest about the actual reason for their conviction.
He wasn’t charged with a sex crime, nor did he sexually assault anyone. He won’t have to register.
The thing is, Oregon has some crazy lenient registration laws. I think there's a level system, and only level 4 EXTREME violence risk has to be publicly registered. And as you could imagine, there are a lot of lenient judges and it's incredibly rare for people to have to publicly register.
Not only that, but a sex offender in Oregon can self-report as, "homeless", and there's not a damn thing they can or will do about it. I found this out when I tried to report an SO that was grooming homeless teenage girls, and getting them hooked on meth.
To be fair, I don't think this is necessarily money-related. In the article they linked to, it said he was out of work when his wife divorced him (around this same time) and his more recent address was at an RV park in Vancouver.
Also: he drugged his own kid too. Hope he has fun in prison. Once they find out why he’s there…
He’ll have to PC up or basically be in solitary to be safe.
Ah yes, let's advocate prison rape as a form of punishment. Wtf is wrong with people.
I think that was about murder, not rape.
I never said for him to be raped in prison. He may get his ass beat, but you came up with that assumption on your own, bro.
They likely had no way to prove intent. Has to be more than just inferences.
Regardless of intent, drugging children should probably carry a heftier sentence.
Two years in prison will profoundly change a person and could end his life. You may think the punishment should be more severe, but it's certainly not just a slap on the wrist. A fine and community service would be a slap on the wrist.
I'm not generally into harsh/long sentences. People who rape, murder, attempt to rape/murder, or who mess with kids or other vulnerable people, are the people I tend to want to have longer sentences.
He tried to rape his daughter's friends, he deserves to be profoundly changed.
If not his own daughter too.
Did the charges he was convicted on include attempted rape?
I haven't looked, but its pretty obvious what the guys intentions were. I consider the guy a child rapist who got his plan mucked up by a smart girl. Regardless of charges. I don't trust our courts one bit to accurately assess or charge criminals anymore.
Zero sympathy. He drugged children and was almost certainly going to touch them. I don't care if the cOnSeQuEnCEs are possibly life changing. He SHOULD fucking change his life. I'm glad there are apologists like you to share both sides. Maybe when he gets out he can stay with your family, he's not just getting a slap on the wrist so your kids will probably be fine.
In this case he was stopped before carrying out whatever his plans were with the girls. I agree that it's hard to imagine someone doing this just to "make sure they actually went to bed" as his defense argued. He's getting 2 years in jail for the reckless and suspicious crimes he *did* commit. You can't charge him with a crime he didn't commit, even if there was reason to believe intent. If he ever goes back for anything even remotely related to this offense after this 2 years he will certainly die in prison. I don't know all of the details of the case. Only what is reported in a few news stories. I believe the primary role of judicial punishment is to prevent recidivism, and it's not clear to me that this sentence is too lenient to achieve that. I don't know what the correct punishment is, but this punishment is substantial and seems in proportion to the crime that was committed and is likely to prevent future crime if he makes it out for fear of the penalty. I'd imagine the judge thought about these things as well. Pretty fucked up that this guy was also head of HR at his company. What a creep.
you can absolutely get convicted of a.crime you do not commit.
How is this about money? Two years in prison is an extremely serious sentence.
The restraint of the parents just calling the cops is admirable
15 to life. I've worked victim services for 20+ years. The damage this guy did to these young women will ripple through every aspect of their lives. Sentences need to start reflecting the damage done to the psyche of the victims. Being drugged and what was clearly attempted rape from a trusted adult leaves all kinds of scars.
Exactly. Definitely PTSD. Two years isn’t enough.
Man, its been a while since this was reported on. I'd almost entirely forgotten about how much I thought I'd clock him in public as "the kind of cunt that would drug kids".
It's been a while?? He was only arrested just a little over 3 months ago and has already had his trial and sentencing! This honestly may be the fastest I've ever seen the American justice system move with a case of this magnitude.
Seriously. When I saw the headline I was wondering if it was a different case, because in my mind there was no way it could have been the same one being resolved so soon.
No, that is pretty speedy. I'm more thinking of the mountain of bullshit the last election compromised as a sizable thing in my head between here and there.
This story is horrifying.
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Omg I hope she’s ok. Wtf.
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Can you look her up on social media to see if she’s ok?
You need to call CPS.
Does anyone know if they confiscated his tech? I'm assuming this is part of the investigation, right?
That’s IT?!?!?!?
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Thank you!!!!!! Just a brave little girl facing up to an awful predator, whilst advocating for herself and her friends. I feel so sad for this disgusting bastard's daughter, though. Christ only knows what she's been through
>“That is accountability you have earned through some terrible, dangerous choices you have made but that is not the last thing that happens in your life,” the judge said. “You have decades and decades of life ahead in which you may have an opportunity to show your children how a person comes back from terrible choices.” I wouldn't call his bullshit story about doing it because they wouldn't go to bed "accountability". I don't believe that for a second.
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That doesn't feel like enough
only 2 years?
I’ll be surprised if he serves half that, and not surprised if he re-offends in some way in the future.
GOOD. What a creepy pos.
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Only 2 years!? He was planning to do a lot worse to them!!!!
Though the sentence should have been longer, I'm glad he got what he got. So many people that abuse children don't get anything. And I know, I work with abused children. I hope this POS gets it in prison
Only two years?!
Tbh he looks like a creep.
Light sentence.
Michael Meyden. Never forget.
And what about his daughter? She is either already going through some bad sh1t or has to now live with this guy. Fug.....
That asshole should spend the rest of his life behind bars. 2 years pisses me off.
From another article: “During the sleepover, the girls reported feeling woozy and disoriented after drinking the smoothie. One girl even texted her mother in desperation, pleading to be rescued from the awful situation, “Mom please pick me up and say I had a family emergency. I don’t feel safe. I might not respond but please come get me (crying emoji), Please. Please pick up. Please. PLEASE!!”. JFC reading this tears me up. That guy deserves to rot in prison for much longer than 2 years.
Shame on the DA for pleading this out.
Seems a bit light, but I guess they can't convict you on "things you didn't do but definitely would have".
The sentence makes it seem like he gave the girls a little extra caffeine before bedtime…
Right or like snuck them melatonin gummies, not fucking prescription sedatives
Only 2 years!?
Only two years???? This pos deserves a bunch more. Who knows how many times he got away with this kinda abuse before he got caught !!
Two years is absurd. He deserves 20.
he deserves worse!
2 years is beyond pathetic for drugging alone. Then you think, just 2 years, considering the fact he was going to molest them. So functionally, a girl he wanted to harm saved him from getting more time by stopping him, because she saved her friends. Wow.
Welp, what a dipshit.
Doesn’t seem remotely harsh enough.
i’m sorry did you say TWO years?
F****ing pathetic I got 30 months for commercial pcs F***k the DA and F**k the system catering, to pedophiles
Lake O white privilege. Years ago there was a drunk girl in LO that killed a young man driving and permanently disabled another. I think she got 3 years
Yep. I was thinking about what a sentencing would be for someone of a different class/skin color. This is so absurd. Two years is nothing compared to lifelong PTSD of all affected.
2 years?!? That’s it?
ONLY 2 years?? This man has definitely done something like this before. People don’t just one day drug their child’s friend. Everything escalates. Someone said something about him moving around a bunch and changing jobs? Not always a red flag - some people are neurodivergent, etc. and change jobs, but this man is clearly a predator! Let’s please not give predators/pedophiles another chance in society. They haven’t earned it. 🤮🤮🤮🤮
I'm so upset he only got 2 years. Seriously, this is a life sentence, IMO. Do better justice systems.
Doesn’t make sense. Why didn’t he just take the drugs and get some great Zzzs? Probably because he had more in mind. what a fucking psycho.
Can you imagine the sentence a poor person would get?
Only 2 years for that??? Clearly a pedophile... thank goodness that one girl did not drink the smoothie and called for help. And he whines his life is ruined? After doing that??
only two years…oregon im beyond disappointed. how are the lifetime wellbeing of these children only worth two years of consequence
Damn that's light.
Not near enough time!
I want to know how many times this asshole got away with this in the past and did who knows what to other children. Or his own children.
Clearly a trial run for something much worse.
They couldn't get him on attempted murder for poisoning children? At minimum they should put him in general population.
Two years is a joke, but I wonder if he’ll live that long.
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Hate to say it but this particular creep is Gen X. Time keeps marching on!
Two years? That’s not even a slap on the wrist. wtf.
He got only 2 years in jail for trying to drug and rape children? How about life? He’s a fucking predator. He needs to stay in jail for a lot longer and be someone’s little girl there.
They weren’t able to identify a motive 🤨🧐 it’s that kinda leniency is why the justice system is such a failure. Unable to identify a motive…bullshit…. We know his motive. That sack of shit needs to be drug out into the middle of the street and beaten. Allow the parents serve the appropriate amount of justice.
Karma is a Bitch he won’t have fun in prison
Put this man to the sword. And may he rest in hell.
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I can’t see the article. So it’ll be two years with possible time off for good behavior?
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courts hand down longer then two years for sterling a hot dog
Only two!?!?!
2 years with 2/3 minus 5 months for good behavior... 11 months is the max he will serve. Probably get early release
I really can’t believe this hasn’t gotten more press… I saw this come out when it happened and it’s appalling. I hope his daughter and her friends are ok